 21 month city council regular session to order tonight's meeting is a little different as always not as always for last couple Because the novel COVID-19 virus thus we are holding this meeting remotely. Could we please start with a roll call? Mayor Bagley here Councilmember Christensen here Councilmember Dougl faring here Councilmember Martin here Councilmember Peck here Councilmember Rodriguez here councilmember waters here Mary you have a quorum. All right great by way of reminder in order to provide public comment during the stay-at-home order due to COVID-19 Residents have been invited to provide public comments prior to the meeting by submitting them in writing or via phone or video message Comments are limited to three minutes per person as always. Do we have any tonight on? We do mayor We have about six or seven and I'll leave those in tonight. All right, great. All right, then let's go ahead Do we have an let's go ahead. I'm not seeing a We'll do pledge. So I don't have a flag here this time I'm in my home unlike the last two times So we'll say the pledge of allegiance without a flag or standing. So you're ready All right, I pledge allegiance to the flag United States of America to the Republic to which it stands the nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all All right, so can we go ahead and have a motion to approve the minutes of March 31st 2020? So moved All right, that was seconded by John So it was moved by councilmember Christensen. It was seconded by councilmember Peck all any debate or discussion All right seeing none all in favor say aye I I'll oppose say nay All right, the motion carries unanimously anybody have any agenda revision submission of documents or motions All right, that's cool. All right Let's move on then to city managers report on the COVID-19 update and emergency items for consideration Harold the time is yours Good afternoon mayor and council today. You're actually going to have three of us prepare the report for today I'm going to start it off and then Dan and I are going to try to tag team His portion where I'm bringing screens up and then we'll move to Jim in terms of the financial Work that we've been doing a couple of things that I wanted to update you all on And so last week we had a question regarding golf Actually, we've received some additional guidance from Boulder County Health Department and the Colorado Department of Health in terms of what we need to do They have indicated that golf courses can be open With a list of about things this long that we have to do and Karen and Jeff and the Golf pros have been working on that. I've seen a draft of it And we'll be looking at it and then also watching the data in terms of making that decision You may or may not have seen there was actually a news I'm getting feedback Somebody's not muted No, I'm not sorry Sorry, anyway There was actually a new special where they were actually looking at parks and golf courses And I think the result of that was they were really following the social distancing requirements So we're going to be working on that as we move forward and making sure that we're having everything in place The key point is going to be that it is going to be reservations online. It has to occur Driving range Pro shop and those types of things will not be open Show up 10 minutes before you go and then you have to follow social distancing So we'll be working on establishing all of those roles and then making a determination Whether we're ready and we meet those requirements I will personally reach out to Jeff just to chat with him and see Make sure that we're consistent with his recommendations and the health department's recommendations on that You know, there's been a lot of conversation regarding howling and I know some people don't particularly care for it but you know our governor is Encouraging Coloradoans to join in the nightly ritual To help people feel connected and less isolated during this time one of the things that we are seeing is fireworks And I would like to request that the residents of our community not engage in in the fireworks just like we do and Around the 4th of July that just adds additional call volume for our first responders and in what we're doing And so I'm making that request So that we don't have the fireworks going off while people are participating in the call of the wild We will be sending some more information out on that Wanted to let you know that the cert group that we actually was part of our flood recovery response and the training we did worked with our emergency management staff and our recreation staff and they held a Donation for cloth masks. We actually received 375 cloth masks that we are getting out to our city employees On a daily basis what we found out today in our cam report that we still need masks for Mills on wheels volunteers. There's some of their senior clients and And we're seeing more need as we continue to get that out. And so we're looking to Take off on what we did last Saturday and look at doing something Wednesday of next week and then the Saturday and the following Wednesday and Saturday from 10 to 2 in Terms of collecting more masks for individuals That need those we want to thank the community for their efforts and Encouraging those with the the skills and the materials to if they could please consider donating more masks to those that need them within our community we're currently engaging and We're starting the conversations about recovery and planning for what that looks like You all are probably going we're in the middle of this That's kind of how we approach this is why we're still dealing with that issue We're starting to look to the future at the same time Next meeting we have a study session With everything we have going on we really didn't have any agenda items But I will want to reserve that time for a cove it update and then there's a possibility. We may have to Convert that meeting to a regular session to relate Because we may have a cove it related IGA with the county and the health department That we were made aware of today We're going to have a meeting on Thursday to try to figure that out So it's going to be coming at the last minute, but it's really trying to provide more resources to the work that we're collectively doing in conjunction with the county at that point I'm going to turn it over to Dan for his Detail presentation on where we are today and I'm going to try to drive Images at the same time Okay, thank you. Good evening everybody. I hope everybody is still healthy We're going to try to tag team this because as I discovered early this evening I am totally incompetent at WebEx so we're going to see if we can move forward with this Is a kind of a theme that we've been going through, you know every time we've been doing these updates is data and Like I mentioned last week. We're getting a lot better Data and this week is no different. We're really starting to get into the specifics of what is Boulder County specific so we're getting a whole lot more Boulder County centric data from the health departments and they're getting starting to get really good at displaying it So all the stuff I'm going to show you today is publicly available You can go on and check it every day. They update it. Most of it is updated every day We check this pretty religiously every day So it's a good way to just kind of track how things are going and I'm going to try to explain to you the things That we look for That are kind of important to us So the site that you're looking at now is Linked from Boulder County site This is Boulder County Public Health and the data that they gather and the way that they display it So the top numbers there are they're pretty obvious, right? It's the the positive test right at the top and they're starting to add in the total Hospitalizations and like was asked last time they recovered so they're really starting to get better at Telling us who has recovered from hospitalizations. Who's recovered from being positive on the disease investigations currently in progress I'll talk about that a little bit too and then unfortunately at the bottom is the number deceased That number's up to 15 now Harold if you'll scroll down just a little bit And go down to the three-day average growth So this three-day average growth Average growth graph is one of the most important ones that we're really looking for because this is a good visual representation of Flattening the curve. So what we're really looking for here is that bought those numbers all the way to the right Really trying to remain steady or even start to point downward like they did between yesterday and today so that's really just an average growth rate of cases and The longer that those can spread out that really is telling us that this social distancing is working So that's a really important graph that we look at the next one down is the age range and We're still hovering in that average is about 50 for the average Person that gets COVID and if you scroll down even further You get into some more detail of really breaking down more demographics. So The positive test versus how they get hospitalized Whether they're in ICU or not and then all the way on the right that the dark red. I'm gonna guess that is is Deceased so we still are in the the most serious cases are in the 60 and over And if you go down even further we start to get into Town and city of residence and this is where it gets even a little more interesting So you'll see at the top the number the top two numbers of course are Boulder and Longmont Which is what you would expect for the top two population centers But if you scroll down a little bit more the the good news for Longmont is it breaks it down then into a percentage well not percentage, but a the number per hundred thousand So you see on the far right boulders the top and then Lafayette and Lewisville are ahead of Longmont and What that tells you is The citizens of Longmont are paying attention to what we're asking them to do and what the governor is asking them to do So that's another good number for us to keep tracking That's something else that we'd like to ask you all to do is please help us with that message We have some a week of good news here But that certainly does not mean that we are out of the woods yet We need to continue what we're doing and the more that you all can do to help us with that better And the last number on this at the very bottom is just the long-term care facilities which from the very beginning these are Really we've watched these very closely because certainly this is where some of our older adults are Located all in the same area and we really want to place a lot of resources here public health spends a lot of time here We know the hospitals are involved in this and we try to facilitate conversations as we can And we try to really understand what's going on with the long-term care facilities to make sure we don't have significant outbreaks in those settings Harold if you flip over to the county one real fast, I'm sorry the state one Yeah, the one thing I wanted to say when you see currently hospitalized I will tell you that If you saw some of the news last night They were actually talking about the data that Boulder County's displaying today versus others and they are getting more granular But the other thing that they also talked about is I do want to let you all know in the community now They are trying to work with the hospital groups in terms of getting even more data available to us So on the state site This is kind of obviously a state level look at what's going on But the case is the hospitalizations and a couple numbers here that that are important to us Certainly the the Boulder number is important, but if you scroll down and you look at the Weld County number That number keeps going up relatively significantly. That's at 858 Yesterday was about I think it was 802 yesterday At the Boulder County number yesterday was 284 So the growth rates are pretty significantly different So we continue to watch that because the Weld County numbers certainly impact Longs Peak Hospital on our eastern border That's an impact on our medical system here the Yeah, the JBS plant certainly is part of that in Weld County that we're Kind of monitoring the impacts of on on our health care system here And then Harold can you scroll down a little bit here try to get to that that hospitalization graph So a little bit of a note on That one right there so this is another good visualization of that flattening of the curve So this is statewide, but the Boulder County line looks almost identical to this So you can see they're over towards the right We really are starting to flatten out the number of hospitals eight hospitalized cases are dropping day over day and There's a difference in this is the more important number to us these hospitalized cases as opposed to the overall cases because another one of the good items of note here is the In the increased amount of testing that we can do so there's a lot of increased testing capacity Locally and through the state both of our hospitals can test Not only first responders and health care workers, but they're looking at ways they can start expanding that out They're definitely not there yet but as we increased our testing capacity the number of cases are going to go up and That's as weird as it is to say that's almost a good thing because we know the community spreads out there We know the cases are out there, but as we test if that number goes up and the hospitalization rate here remains flat That means that we're getting better at testing and isolating which is one of the most important things we can do to Eventually get out of this Stay at home order if we don't have the ability to test and isolate Then we're really gonna have to think about being able to lift this order So it's kind of strange to think about but as the number of cases go up That's not necessarily a bad thing when you compare it to the number of hospitalizations A couple other things. I just wanted to point out. I know there's a question last week about ventilators The the ventilate the hospital system locally still remains in in good shape They have the whole week we talk to them every day their capacity is good The county capacity remains good. We have not Significantly pushed the capacity We we had a meeting with the agency administrators of the the county today and Jeff Zayac the director of public health was on and He and the other metro public health directors are feeling pretty good about where we are in the hospital surge right now They feel as though we've held pretty well And they're feeling good about where we are in the next week or two. So that's pretty good news The other question about ventilators was is Colorado going to get any? Colorado did get a hundred ventilators from the national stockpile, but none went to Boulder County Which is almost weirdly enough sort of a good thing too. That means we weren't significantly in need of them right now But we did not get any in this county A couple other things I just wanted to point out like Harold mentioned the the mask drive That was it was a wonderful outpouring from the community We've already handed out 200 of those to city staff and we're going to be handing out the rest in the next day or two We're certainly going to need a lot more of those As we move into this next phase. We're really talking about what is that? Transition into really at emphasizing the economic recovery look like what does the staff needs for that look like? How do we balance that with? I guess what you would call normal duties at this point and then down the road really starting to look at post Whatever the governor decides to do with lifting orders. How does that affect city facilities city staff? What that could look like in the future and everything we would need to do to start accommodating that I think that's my my update Certainly we can answer any questions that you have but I think the overall message right now is Things are looking looking. Okay. I mean that curve is flattening out. We're holding okay with our PPE and the hospitals are managing to Hold on to the surge. So I think those are all positive messages. I have for you today Yeah, I think the term we're using is we're cautiously optimistic. You may have heard others say that recently I think Paulie has a question Thank you for the update and I I do feel like we're getting the the Physical distancing is helping. It's helping all over the country where it's being done We can see in places where it's not being done like Weld County that it's a problem So I appreciate that because people need to feel like there's You know light at the end of the tunnel I'm wondering Dan if we are getting I Really appreciate you saying that testing and isolating is really important. It's very difficult to get any testing And that's a problem all over the country and to also get it processed. I know a lot of people are working on that Are we getting any more? Ability to test We are but we're limited right now to the tiers that public health is still set up. They're still working on Those that are hospitalized first, but we've moved past that now So now our first responders are getting tests back in a day or two Before it was taking seven to ten days. So we were having No police and firefighters home for ten days just waiting on its test result. We're past that now They're moving down to where we have the capacity to get those back in a day or two And that's with we can get that done through Kaiser and both health systems now They're moving on to pretty much any other health care worker and you know the the next stages after that are anybody with kind of underlying health conditions, but they're not Quite at that level of of the community yet, but it's a pretty positive stuff that they're Working down that list and the capacity is certainly dramatically increased from where we were last week Yeah, that's great. Um The other thing is I I know that people all over town are sewing masks like crazy little demons If a lot of those efforts as we talked about last week are being coordinated with the city and hidden treasures Um, is that still the case or should people be able to bring can people bring things to the city and Who who should Who should we be contacting if we want to do that? I'm sick right now. So I can't be sewing Because that that would not be a good idea, but sure So we we are working still working with hidden treasures and We do want to limit the the drop off to the the days that that harrell mentioned Because we can staff those days and we can immediately wash the masks and we can pack them We can do a lot of different things with the staff we have there And we prevent people from kind of driving around to city facilities that aren't really open anyway So if we can we try to target those days where we have staff available to To receive the masks and um The pIT group is doing a great job of giving all that stuff out You know, it's out through all of our social media. It's out on the website You know, they do a great job of getting those things out and Our goal is to do those often enough. So there's you know An option of one or two times a week that people can come and drop those off Yeah, and I also want to thank you for uh directing people to The county websites and I think they're doing the county is doing a great job of Giving people legitimate sites that they can go to and get the real facts And uh, that does a lot to helping people understand that this is this is limited We need to just keep doing this for a while and uh, we'll get out of this eventually Sooner, I think than later. So thank you for all you're doing I think I wanted to add something that dan talked about is I think a lot of our conversations this week To the point of testing are really focusing on testing and the epidemiological tracing Um, that tends to be a lot of our conversations And I think that's that's going to be a product of the igas and what we do and how do we get volunteer? How do we as the city work with the county to make sure they have If they need it resources to do some of that tracing and so Just to let council know we're spending a fair amount of time on that now council member peck Thank you dan, would you mind um, I just had some people text me that they just logged on Would you mind telling once again the times and days that they can drop off the mask? Thank you Harold do you remember those? I was gonna remember right here So Wednesday a week from tomorrow 10 to 2 at the rec center And then the following saturday Um 10 to 2 at the rec center And then we're going to go the week after Wednesday 10 to 2 and then saturday 10 to 2 And again, we'll get those things out far and wide. Um, you know our Calm staff is great at getting all that stuff out. So All right. Harold anything else? Um, yes, um, we need to go to gym now. Um, I think one of the things that We talked to you all about at the last Our Times running together, but one of the last meetings was really about the financial situation I'm going to turn that over to Jim to go over. Um One of the things that I want to say to council before he starts Is um, this is a significant financial issue for Local governments. Um, you may or may not have heard But I believe last week the city of broomfield announced, um furloughs For a couple of months for their staff members And that was composed of full and part time staff Um, and then unfortunately today Um, the city of boulder also announced furloughs And and so as municipalities, we're all struggling with this The one thing I do want to point out is that we're all different and we have a different economic basis and different um, you know structures financially that we put together but Um, we are all talking on a regular basis and working collectively to see if we're understanding the same way The situation in the same way But this is going to be a um a significant financial issue for us now And then it's also going to be one as we enter the 2021 budget work that we're going to have to do Um, the items that jim's going to present is really the situation now in this fiscal year As we have more data, we will then be evaluating Um, what we present to you all we were scheduled to present may 5th for budget conversations and Looking to the future. Um, we're going to try to hold to that date But really at this point We're trying to get as much information as we can to look to the future But this is going to be a challenge for us Jim Okay, uh, good evening. May I have badly members of council jim golden chief financial officer? So I think it was three weeks ago that I uh, first gave you our Uh, first round of projections for the impacts from the kovat 19 event so these are, uh Constantly being reviewed and updated as we get new information Well, what we have currently Is based on the same assumptions though That we would go through two full months of severe impacts on our sales and use tax And then following that with a recession for the rest of the year Which would uh, uh be estimated 5 drop below 2019 levels of sales and use tax So still sticking to to that for now, uh through this point in time Uh, we have updated the projections though by including in them, uh, some other general fund revenue sources that also will be impacted Things like our recreation revenues. Actually, I think I might have had that in the first one But our investment revenues Development revenues fines and forfeits utility disconnects Union union reservoir fees museum fees and licenses and fees as well So we've estimated impacts for all those over that same two month period of time And that was the total $1.77 million impact to the general fund So adding that with uh, 13.2 million dollars of a sales tax impact across all five funds And then a $300,000 shortfall in the golf fund if it were to remain closed for two months That overall impacts are now at 15.3 million dollars as you see on the slide On the screen spread across these five funds obviously the Largest impact is in the general fund Between the fact that they're getting about half of that sales tax as well as that 1.77 million of a revenues Next slide So to this point What we've done is we began to already instill some controls on expenses You know, we stopped doing any out of town training expenses. Obviously We instituted a selective hiring freeze So what that means is that if in a position, uh, it needs to be filled It's going to need herald's permission before it can be done. Otherwise most Positions will remain open until we decide otherwise We've also asked staff to begin to identify other savings possibilities from deferring expenses in the 2020 budget As well as in the 2020 cip projects That we've what have done is is evaluate all of our emergency reserve balances and their availability And how we might be able to use those to offset some revenue shortfalls Under your own financial policies We have emergency reserve requirements For each of these funds shown on this slide And these are the dollar amount of those balances at the end of 2019 now the general fund as we've talked about in different times in the past as a Kind of a three prong type of reserve policy first part of it is a Tabor reserve policy, which is about five percent or so of the general fund and that's figured based on the State law on Tabor emergency reserve requirements Then we have an eight percent reserve under your own policies as well That is for emergencies as well And then on top of that We are we've been trying to build a stability reserve and only just started to do that last year But at this point in time it it going into this budget for 2020 that was equating to About 1.7 million dollars. So All of these amounts again are available for each of those these funds We're not committing all of them just yet towards the shortfalls Uh, I think we need to be careful about how quickly we use up our emergency reserves Especially given the fact that we're not sure how long this will last I'll talk about each of these funds and how we're some of these funds But each of the sales tax funds and how we're using them in a few minutes here Next slide, please So, um, I'm gonna try to shorten this up I don't know if you've read the information that I got to you today. I'm sorry. I got to see you so late But in fact, I'm not going to bore you with this But in fact we've been having to put money away into a reserve fund Called it a trust fund, but technically hasn't been a trust And we've been doing it for post employment benefits basically retiree healthcare insurance the small subsidy that we pay Or our employees or they retire when they retire before age 65 Uh, 10 years ago, we were directed to begin to put that money aside away for liability And in fact, we have now determined with the assistance of new auditors and a new actuary That that was we're actually addressing those expenses on a pay-as-we-go basis And that that three and a half million dollars we have put in the way there Is actually not needing to be put away Which uh, I wouldn't say too much about the fact, but I've been questioning it for 10 years But anyway, so it's a great time for us to find this out because that is basically providing us three and a half million dollars Of equity that we would not have had in any other year available to us It's going to go back to about 25 different funds that have been putting the money Towards this anywhere where we have payroll We've been putting money towards this To the health benefit fund and the health benefit fund is what actually has been paying this op-ed of dollars or op-ed expense each year So I will point out how much of an impact that is on some of these funds as we go through it Next slide, please So in the general fund, um, we we have an 8.7 million dollar shortfall Um, you know, I will point out I did the first time we talked about this at will again If this if this lasts longer than a two month impact on on severe drop in sales tax Then these these estimates go up higher and I will point out as I go through each fund How much that will increase for those funds So but given that the shortfall that we projected 8.7 million in the general fund Things that we're doing to offset that we already talked to you about the stabilization reserves. That's 1.7 million The op-ed equity I just talked about is 2.1. I think a brian Mayor we're seeing questions Hold on. I don't see. Yeah, I don't side. I don't I don't see that because I don't see all I see is the general fund uh I don't see people I just see the presentation on my screen I see councilman martin Can we yeah, but can we wait till the end of the the presentation before we go to questions? Councilmember martin? She's not in her head. Yes. Okay. Let's just let's just keep going then and then councilmember martin. You're in the queue Okay, so uh, the other thing that we've had is we this year in the 2020 budget process We had a lot of of one-time money available to us as well as some operating money that we Didn't utilize for operating expenses. I should say ongoing Revenue that we did not utilize for ongoing expenses The reason we did that is because we had concerns about the 2021 budget process and our ability to Keep up with the increasing cost Given that that was going to be a year where there would be no growth and property tax So what we did is so we had About 885 thousand dollars of property tax revenue that was budgeted And not used for ongoing expenses, but instead for one-time type expenses We also had some use tax money that for a few years now each year We we are also doing something similar with use tax from building permits Not using for ongoing expenses So we have about 1.3 million from those two sources That we put toward the main first and main transit station And then we had another 1.2 million dollars left over from or projected to be left over from 19 operations Either savings or excess revenues So we put two and a half million dollars towards the first and main transit station It's a five million dollar project in the cip that this the city is Needs to come to the table with to To be able to match the input from rtd that we still need to get from them of about 17 million I believe We have one and a quarter a million already put aside And this was going to take us up to 3.75 million of that needed five million dollars But what we are doing here in this action would be we're Essentially unfunding that two and a half million and using it to offset revenue shortfalls Uh, we had some dollars set aside in the general fund balance of five hundred and sixty five thousand dollars Uh for in case a potential grant didn't come through we're putting that instead towards this as well And then finally we did have three hundred thousand dollars that we had set for a contingency Uh in a general fund for the city managers control and uh, we've already utilized Part of that but the balance that's in place of almost 245 thousand dollars is available So this is 7.18 million here to offset the shortfall. It gives us 1.5 that we still have to Have to generate through budgetary savings. I did give you an attachment to this I'm not going to take you through the attachment tonight but it gives you an awful lot of detail of the type of Of budgetary adjustments that we're making in multiple funds Whether they be up to the amount of the shortfalls or beyond the shortfalls That we are planning on so included in that is how we would address this one and a half million dollars But it would include mostly vacancy savings From freezing positions as well as some other one time expenses that we can defer And or consider deferring and as well as some budgetary savings from managing our budgets tighter Next slide, please I would just want to point back out on the general fund So every month longer that the conditions were that I described or to persist that would be another 2.4 or 5 million impact on the general fund and I think that's This point. I'll just call that a somewhat conservative estimate until we know more about the total sales tax impact We're about a month through this now So when I say that's two months of impact, we've only got another month coming to us before we start to exceed that The public safety fund here we got There are 8% emergency reserve Public safety fund really doesn't have a lot of flexibility to deal With changes in their revenues So we have to devote their full emergency reserve to this is shortfall because Most of their budget is salary and benefits The OPEB equity here is 198,000 We're unfunding the expansion of the communications center and We also have some Extra reserve fund balance beyond the 8% reserve That we're using to offset the rest of that shortfall there And every extra month of impact here is another $700,000 on this fund So in the public improvement fund next slide We have a shortfall of 580,000. We are just up off setting that with cip project savings or deferrals All that's outlined on the attachment that I gave you which projects are impacted And each another month here is 178,000 shortfall for this fund Next slide Streets fund is a 2.8 million dollar shortfall the OPEB equity is 146,000 here We are going to make do some increase a decrease in street operations of that will have generate 295,000 of impact And then we have cip project savings and deferrals for the rest of these savings here to to generate the 2.8 million dollars needed for this shortfall and Each another month here is worth close to a 900,000 impact on this fund next slide The open space fund $750,000 shortfall small amount of OPEB equity here And the rest of it is made up by cip project savings or deferrals again. All those are on the attachment that we provided And the impact in this fund is 240,000 dollars for each additional month And then the golf fund Basically the golf fund is is $300,000 impact if we do not reopen the city manager talked about That potential happening. So if that happens, it's not a $300 impact We do have a strong fund balance relatively here of 1.2 million And they did identify as well. Well, they do have the OPEB equity and they did identify some cip savings on the The other attachment as well Next slide please So again, if if it does go on longer than then we've identified of two months Then we will need to consider other solutions to try to generate further savings Most of the a lot of the funds that are on that attachment have already begun to identify Additional savings. There are other funds on there that I haven't even touched on That also are beginning to identify savings Our enterprise funds are At this point, they're they're looking at deferring cip projects and such It's hard to tell but we're beginning to see a Decrease in this time in the amount of our utility bill payments It's going to take some time before those those accounts begin to to reach Linguins status But just by tracking the payments, which I try to do from day to day And compare them to previous last year and previous months It does appear like we're probably getting to fall behind in our payments So our enterprise funds are going to be having some impact as well so So really we've identified these these solutions for dealing with other shortfalls and for a longer period of time of Of sales tax decreases first of all is continuing hiring freezes and budgetary controls That's not not like we're expecting a lot of turnover at this point in time But if any positions do turn over They'll all be subjected to the same hiring freeze that we've talked about to this point For the cip project deferrals that have identified that are on that attachment And then I mentioned that the general fund does still have an eight percent emergency reserve It's six point nine million dollars So it is there. It's like as I mentioned we need to be careful about how we use that up table reserve is really hard to to actually utilize because By law you've got to replace it by the By the end of the year anyhow, so We're really looking at trying to deal with this full year. So I don't see the table reserve as being an available solution Oil and gas revenue we are receiving some significant oil and gas revenue So we have to identify that potentially we might be able to utilize that revenue that is in excess of the budgeted expenses that we have for 2020 And then finally we have You know service reductions and or furloughs reductions in force would would be a final solution We you know the city manager mentioned the 2021 budget process You know by by mid-summer. So we have to know what we're going to do in that budget And what we're going to propose to the council on september 1st I'm hoping we learn a lot about our revenues in the next few months So I have a much better handle on what we're going to have to deal with but quite frankly from Certainly from a general fund perspective and any sales tax uh related fund we're concerned about the 2021 budget and the impacts and how long a uh recession goes on and how how much of an impact it has We are taking what I would call one-time adjustments and solutions To make up for this shortfall here in 20 And that's an acceptable way of dealing with this type of of a situation But when we get to do that 2021 budget it needs to be balanced between ongoing revenues and ongoing expenses and if our projections for ongoing revenues Are decreasing significantly from what we put in the 2020 budget Then there'll need to be In like like significant reductions on the expenditure side as well Which would Would impact our service levels I think that's all I have if I can Start answering as you might have could we get could we get the screen back so we can see everybody? Stop sharing the screen. Yeah, there we go All right, who had marcia, you know, councilman martin you're up Okay, um Yeah, one just clarifying questions. It got a little better through uh jim's presentation But which exactly two months of shortfall are you counting? Is this march april or april may? Uh good good question councilmember martin actually I would say it's not a calendar months I would look at it from the point in time when the businesses Were beginning to close which I would think like as I mentioned somewhere through there I think we're about a month through that point at this time So I would say it's uh the past four weeks and the and the next four or so weeks Are the two months i'm talking about we actually You know I I think what I did is is try to just assume we would we get our full amount for the first two months And then if the rest of those final eight months were all Going to be um that recession impact so In a way that hopefully that that we don't have as much of a Significant impact in the in the early part of march, which I'll know more probably in another week or so when Tax due date comes up Then then we might be a little bit ahead of our our projections because um Well, they'll be offsetting our our recession Uh assumptions I guess but those were the two months I used Okay, thank you. And then the other question I have Um as you mentioned the first and main station and uh two and a half million dollars that set aside uh for um Getting the match uh for the funding from rtd How much again was the was the total that's needed to qualify for that match So I think the city's share was projected at five million dollars total Okay, cip. Yeah, so So my question is and we do have uh Stimulating a recovery to look at and 17 million dollars Coming in from outside would you would be quite a significant stimulus. Um, is there any um Is is there any short term scenario that does not? um Require or could we look at a short term scenario that does not require Diverting that two and a half million dollars at least not yet I'll just we're asking you to look at it than Asking for an answer right now, but I think we can look at it But to Jim's point we would have to then look into operational issues Or we would have to look into the next fund balance Um, and we don't know what's coming at us in the future Um, what I've talked about in terms of this is I think we'll then have to look from a timing perspective in terms of You know, there's going to be a lot of prioritization happening and we'll have to look at um essentially the Um street fund which does cover some transit and to see if there's options there in terms of how you could look at a long-term financing structure um The the other piece is the 17 million is direct funding from rtb So we may be able to work on the timing on that In terms of how that looks and then how we can build dollars in maybe on the backside of it Um, yeah, those are all things we're going to have to look at with that project Right. I just hate to say goodbye to that 17 million You know the I well 17 millions held I mean and so that's what I was saying on that we may have to work with rtb in terms of Um, when we bring our match in to maybe give us some time To look at that Different conversation. Yeah, that's encouraging though. Thank you Dr. Waters actually, uh, mayor pretend. Did you raise your hand earlier or no? Okay, dr. Waters, you're up Thanks, mayor bagley. Just just before we leave that the last point here on on main street station We were still at least a year away. We're from accumulating the five million we were going to need to Satisfy the match requirement At least So it would it would have been no sooner than 21 and maybe not till 22 as I recall Yeah, okay. Yeah, I think that's correct Um, specifically for jim just in terms of the numbers and then I have a more kind of general, uh, political question um Jim you provided fair amount of data of a detail that you you didn't you make general reference to in your presentation Uh, and I just you know if I do an eyeball I didn't I didn't take out a calculator It's somewhere around 18 and a half. I think million dollars of of potential reductions and expenditures Did you present provide that for us just in just to kind of show what's possible? If we exceed that 15.3 million Uh The council member water doesn't in a way. Yes, and in another way our staff is trying to plan for Worst-case scenarios and so they didn't they should just stop there And they're identical a lot of these are cip projects We don't want to start them if in fact we're going to have to pull a plug on them Yeah, that's why I assume I just wanted to confirm because we were there's way more data way more detail Which I appreciate and the and the numbers are on north of where what we were looking at But just understand this that I was understanding it probably more the more general question You know as we hear about whatever the next relief package is there's some We hear references to recovery for state budgets and municipal budgets Do we have any we've been in contact at all with our congressional delegation? We have any idea Whether that's even possible in in another congressional package That's what we're trying to figure out right now I talked about peter and charlie in terms of what they're putting out in these congressional packages And what we're looking at in terms of shovel ready projects I know that they were talking about infrastructure It looked like there was something that was coming forward on water But then it morphed into something else. So we have um folks directly in communication with Our congressional delegation and trying to understand what that's going to look like And be ready for it just like some of the money that came in in the original cares program You know really the only money that's been operationalized is the spdc component They've now pushed those other components into agencies and we're trying to look at that and Those are things we're going to be feeding into you all typically just so you know, it's going to be What we're hearing and what we thought we were going to hear on the water side Was going to be shovel ready project. So we're going to be projects that are ready to go And so then we have to look at so what do we have in play where we were going to put dollars toward And can we put that in one of those buckets and then take those dollars and start um You know moving through this I'm going to I'm going to interpret that as being uh, at least one small reason to be hopeful Uh, not number one that we're positioned. Well number two That there would be money not just in the that first or the lat if I guess it was the third package but in the next To help offset some of the shortfalls that municipalities are facing And then we kind of bring that up against back into this mix that james presented tonight Into that I think peter and and we had several staff members on town hall today specifically asking these questions of our senators All right, thanks Councilmember christensen, this takes me a while to get unmuted Me too So Jim thanks. I think that was a very Very good and thorough if not cheerful presentation But we want to know the truth. We don't want to have Happy talk We want to know the truth. So um, I have two questions that have to do with employees First of all as part of this stimulus package um To keep people employed People can have a grant get a grant companies can get a grant to keep people employed um Is that something that uh, municipalities going to be all themselves? of Maybe that's a question for herald I I have not seen that we would be eligible for those Yeah, I agree That's too bad, um because You know having to lay people off and then Yeah, try to find them again after months of past is not possible Um, can can cannot But one more thing. Um The opeb fund um Which jim alluded to i'm sorry my phone is going up. Um The opeb fund that has to do with retirement. I don't want anything to affect retirement Jim said that this was sort of a uh It wasn't actually a trust anymore I just want to be reassured that we aren't taking money out of our employees retirement fund or their healthcare funds Councilmember christensen in fact We're not doing anything that will impact our employees or retirees It's been dollars that that we've been setting aside under a Uh, basically an accounting directive more or less and It's under the assumption certain plans you will need to pay Not our plans, but certain entities will have plans Where they'll have to draw from these type of funds in the future for to pay those expenses We Do them each year in the premiums we pay we fund them every year through Our health benefit fund contributions And we pay those expenses as we go and so we've never had to take money from that fund As long as we continue to pay as we go We would never have to take money from that fund. So finally we have auditors come in here and say You don't even a trust which I knew because I never wanted to set it up as a trust because I kind of had a feeling we End up like this They said you don't need to do this either because you're So we were like Okay, we thought all along and so now we're able to take it out of there Okay, thanks jim Any other questions for mr. Golden Harold you were gonna say something earlier. Do you still want to say? Something, um, you know, if you if you go to jim slide, um And I've been having conversations with with our staff, um, you know, we're an organization 70 percent of Of our our budget goes to people because we are an organization based on people And what we've said is that we want to move through The analogy I've used is a seven layer cake in terms of how we're moving through this And there's a reason when you saw the service reduction at the bottom of the list is And we really wanted to be there and be You know last resort as we're trying to deal with items this year Um And so we're not saying at this point that people are going to be furlough But we did want to be honest and say if this goes on You know, we're going to have to really start digging into some of these options Um, the last thing I wanted to say and touch on something that jim said is when we talked about the 2021 budget Um, and really it's okay to to correct a budget mid-year with these types of one one time sources But when you look into the next budget year, it's a different conversation And I would remind you when we talked about the budget reset that jim and I were talking about for a few budget cycles That was in large part because we were um, we balanced the 08 recession off of one time funds And not making those ongoing adjustments. So then it took us a number of years to To move through it. That's exactly what we're talking about and where we're going to have to be really focused As we start coming into these future budgets and really making sure one time funds are ongoing funds are there for ongoing expenses And and and really resistant temptation at times to use one time funds for that because that just Creates a different issue for you over time All right, there's no other questions. Let's move on. Thanks herald. Thanks jim. Thanks dan Um, can we go ahead and read the first call public invited to be heard don? You bet mayor The first one is from uh, uh, rizbeck 13 25 wild rose court And she says a long not resonance sent a written written request to the city to open the public golf courses I do not support her request All one needs to see is the picture in the times call thursday edition of two men at youth On wednesday course closed golfing no face protection and no social distancing Opening the courses will only multiply that carelessness and poor judgment Please do not even broach the issue of opening the golf courses now. Keep us as safe as possible The next one is from vicki marshinow 11 24 per due drive And vicki says as a resident of longmont and the president of the sweet spot golf league I respectfully request that the city of longmont open the golf courses will play during this crisis The courses can be opened with social distancing restrictions I for one am not a runner hiker or kayaker. I'm a golfer exercise stress relief and because it's just damn fun The sweet spot golf league is a ladies league that has been playing at 20 golf course for 32 years Our league is supposed to start in may Longmont golf requires leagues to pay in advance for our league play Normally at this time I am collecting league league fees from past members And recruiting new members to our league with the golf courses closed and no opening date in sight I'm having a difficult time collecting league fees I don't have enough players prepaid before our league actually starts I will have to cancel our league for the first time in 32 years We don't want to cancel our league. Please open the longmont courses with social distancing restrictions So we can bring reviews into longmont golf and begin to plan for our league play this summer respectfully vicki The next one is from chris vastwig at 1609 19th avenue This comment is regarding the lack of social distancing and overcrowding in some of our parks I have been a longmont resident for over 20 years now and truly love it here And one of the things I am most proud of is how much work and resources we have placed in our parks and open space Currently, there are many people enjoying the fruits of those neighbors The issue currently is that there are too many people traveling to specific areas That result in overcrowding at certain parks and open space areas while leaving many of them empty I do firmly believe that these are valuable resources and that we should be encouraging Responsible use of our public areas during these times So it would seem that some restrictions may have to be in place in order to keep from having to Resort to shutting down those resources to everyone living near macintosh lake I can tell you firsthand that there are constantly crowds And too many people traveling to the lake for it to remain a safe place to enjoy the outdoors My suggestion is to close the parking lot and prohibit Street parking for non-neighborhood residents at some or all of our city parks and open spaces for the next few weeks To encourage residents to spread out to the parks and open spaces that are closer to home This will go a long way to preserving the safety of all residents of longmont And helping to stop the spread of covid 19 while still keeping our wonderful parks and open space areas open Thank you The next one is from jackie coldaway of 837 wigan drive Jackie says people who love golf adults especially and even the high school team It would be so health healthy in the city would get revenue next one This one is from calleen Oh, she has a hard last name mazor qix She is from 202 grant seat grant street She says please open the public golf courses in longmont enforce social distancing practices Require bull carts are walking only no golf carts no rental clubs and limit the number of people in the clubhouse Thank you next one Is from ian peck at 24 24 9th avenue Ian says how is mayor bagley's mouth sitting mouth sitting going we need someone with some common sense running our community Not an Idiot who is willing to sacrifice members of our community for his own business interests The government should be helping small businesses keep their employees on the payroll We should also be ensuring that these businesses are still around when covid has settled down How many billions has the state made from selling cannabis? Why is there no money for the local businesses that we all love and support when an emergency comes and affects our community And then the last one Is from stanley told 21 37 dexter drive apartment d Stanley says Even in this time of pandemic when having housing is a life or death issue housing discrimination is live and well Against the most foldable in our community In our community those that have housing subsidies this discrimination appears to be organized and pervasive People who qualify for these subsidies Often lose these subsidies because they cannot find suitable housing within the allotted time With the present health emergency these people face increased danger to their life Because of inadequate inadequate housing I would urge the city council to take emergency action To ensure that these people are a protected against the present discriminatory practices that longland landlords are currently engaging in Mayor that is all the public comment for tonight All right, great. Let's move on to the consent agenda and introduction and reading by title the first reading of ordinances, please Had to catch my breath So ordinance 2020-19 is a bill for Nordmans authorizing the city of long mark to lease the real property known in vans brand municipal airport hangar parcel sh6t to western airport development llc public hearing and second reading scheduled for april 28 2020 Ordinance 2020-20 a bill for Nordmans conditionally approving the sugar mill annexation Generally located south of great western drive north of st. Brain creek and west of county line road and joining the property n a g agriculture public hearing and second reading scheduled for april 28 2020 Ordinance 2020-21 a bill for Nordmans amending chapter 6.70 of the long mark municipal code on marijuana stores public hearing and second reading scheduled for april 28 2020 Resolution 2020-34 a resolution of the long mark city council approving the second amendment to the intergovernmental agreement for the funding and coordination of a joint compensation study between the city of long mark The town of estes park the city of four columns the city of loveland and flat river power authority resolution 2020-33 a resolution of the long mark city council approving the long mark and the color department of human services office of behavioral health for contract amendment number 01 for original contract number 18 ihja 107 342 for long mark public safety bleed program resolution 2020-32 a resolution of the long mark city council approving the intergovernmental agreement Between the city and the town of lions the town of me the town of firestone the county of boulder the county of weld and the state of colorado department of transportation for an access control plan for highway 66 Resolution 2020-35 the resolution of the long mark city council Proving the intergovernmental agreement between the city the city of boulder and boulder county for the kovat 19 recovery center for the homeless An item h is authorized children youth and families to submit a grant application To the office of juvenile justice and delinquency prevention to support rewind rebuilding expectations and walking into new direction counselor martin um Thank you, mayor bagley. I'd like to pull items eight b and eight d All right. Do we have a motion? I'll move the consent agenda Men also started I'll I'll move the consent agenda less b and d second All right, it's been moved and seconded all in favor say aye. Hi All opposed say nay All right, the motion carries unanimously Let's move on to ordinances on second reading and public hearing on any matter First is 9a ordinance 2020-09 a bill for an ordinance many chapter 14.32 the long mark municipal code on rates and regulations governing electric service Um, are there any questions from council? All right. Are there any residents that that have called in for the public hearing on item 9a? Don may may receive no public comment on this item All right, great. And then so we're going to go ahead and close the public hearing Um ask i'm going to go ahead and ask for a motion All right I'll move ordinance 2020-09 Second second it's been second. It's been moved by dr. Water seconded by uh councilmember martin So saying no further discussion all in favor say aye All right. Hi All right. I'll post a nay All right, the motion carries unanimously nine b ordinance 2020-17 a bill for an ordinance proving a farmland lease agreement between the city of longmont and Scythe farms llc with a double six ranch open space Um, is there anything from council? I believe no, right? All right seeing none. Are there any questions from council? All right, also seeing none. Let's go ahead and open the public hearing don. Do we have anybody? Mayor we receive no comment on this item either All right. We'll go ahead and close the public hearing. Can I have a motion please? All right. I'll go ahead and move ordinance 2020-17 Second. All right. It's been moved and seconded all in favor say aye All right. I'll oppose say nay All right, the motion passes unanimously. Let's go ahead and go to nine c ordinance 2020-18 a bill for an ordinance authorized in the city of Longmont to lease the real property known as vans brand municipal airport hangar parcel h71 h72 and h73 to best steal llc Um, let's go ahead and uh any questions from council any staff presentation from staff Didn't think so. Let's go ahead and open up the public hearing don. Is there anyone? Mayor again, no comment on this one received either. All right. Let's go ahead and close the public hearing. Can I have a motion please? Move 2020-18 Second All right. It's been moved by dr. Waters and seconded by council member martin. I'm all in favor say aye All right All right, the motion passes unanimously. Let's go ahead Council member martin you pulled item b Can you raise thank you, mayor bagley? This shouldn't take too long, but I had a couple of questions From constituents and they were both the same pretty much question um There was concern about creating a detention pond close to the st. Rain Creek Because there's a known Locust of pollution at the actual sugar mill itself. Now this looked pretty far apart um To me, but uh, I wanted to ask the question and verify that there was not any any um You know any danger of of leakage or pollution uh in that detention pond in st. Rain Creek Hi, good evening council member martin eva pejewski planning and development services. Can you hear me? Yes, thank you. Okay. Just want to make sure you can hear me. Uh, yeah Our staff have reviewed that application and um, there are no known environmental impacts From the detention pond the detention pond On your concept plan there is up on the northwest corner of the property The creek as you know is is all the way the south end So there were no environmental impacts that were identified in Either the applicants environmental reports or from our public work staff Okay, and do you know approximately uh, how far That detention fund is from the actual site of the sugar mill which does have environmental concerns The actual like physical distance from the sugar mill. Well, that's north of highway 119 Yes, uh, I'd say that's several hundred feet away Estimating I don't know. Okay the specific distance All right, so you're not worried about the environmental impact from that Uh, again that yeah, we don't we didn't have any identified through the environmental review With our staff Okay, and eva our staff that looks at that is actually our natural resources staff correct Okay, in that case, um, I move passage of item o 2020 Second I'll second it All right, it's been moved and seconded moved by councilor martin and seconded by councilmember redagal faring Um, customer christianson. Do you have a question or comment? Uh, yes, I would like us to put a condition on this And the condition is because what we keep doing is we annex something that's a county agricultural land And then a year later or six months later. It becomes Something that gets built on the people at mill village were promised that it would be a village And that there would be lots and lots of little shops around there They didn't get that what they got is a lot of Um Apartments surrounding them and then they got some more apartments and housing on the West side which was their view to the mountains and now we're proposing This part on the south side, which they've been promised would be green space or open space Sort of So I would like to put a condition on this that this actually does stay agricultural land And that it cannot turn into Built land residential land. Is that an amendment to the motion? Uh Yes, I would like to make that. Well, I would like to make that a condition of this I think we can approve things With a condition attached Is that correct? Harold do you want to answer that? I guess the real question is are we not just conditionally improving the sugar mill annexation to just move forward to ask It's not the first time. No, this is a different question Um, johnny if you can jump in I think this one is also Um, hold on. Yeah the concept plan is Um Is referenced in the annexation plan and it would have to come back to the council If somebody if they wanted to change it So it's it's coming in as an ag use now, correct ava That's that's correct. Can you hear me? Yes. Yeah, so it's coming in as ag use now And if somebody wanted to change that That would have to come back via an ordinance again to the city council to actually change it correct The problem the problem is that these always do come back and we always do change them planning and zoning always approves them And council always approves changing them I would like just to put a condition on it right now So that they can't do that so that it is what they say it is Hey Eugene, you may have to jump in on this one, but I think if you put a condition it would still follow the same process You come back to council Uh, it would depend what that condition is Uh, you know currently the ordinance is conditional on submittal requirements within a year So It is possible to add additional conditions into that All right councilmember Okay, well Did you call on me? I did. Oh, okay Um, you know, I would agree with that condition Because if it can come back within a year asking for a different zoning Then I think would thought this condition disallowed that This is a question for Eugene, I think Eugene you want to respond? Sure mayor and council I'm unclear what the condition is being proposed that is being proposed That they cannot come back for rezoning as mixed-use development or residential development that it must stay Agriculture so my question is if we put that conditional use on it now You stated that they could come back within a year Would this uh condition that we put on it now Keep them from requesting a different zoning later Uh, so clarification the ordinance as it's set up is a conditional approval And within a year they need to come back and satisfy submittal requirements for title 15 That I was just sort of explaining how the current ordinance is set up The proposal is to Uh Put a condition that this remained agricultural in perpetuity is is that what I'm understanding I think so Eugene Yes You know, I haven't seen a condition like that Before I think I would need to do legal research on our authority to impose a condition like that Right customer martin Thank you, mayor bagley. I just like to say that we are at such an uncertain time that Whether it's allowable or not it seems like this is the wrong time to put any perpetual conditions on anything We may need to adapt All right, so let's go ahead and vote on the amendment first and then we will vote on the original motion so um all in favor of councilmember christianson's amendment and actually councilmember christians can actually restate your amendment Okay This is a condition and it was seconded by councilmember peck, correct? Okay. Get a second the condition is that this remain agricultural land That it is not eligible for being for the zoning to be changed um Okay Dr. Waters Thanks, mayor bagley I've accepted that to the to the point that councilmember christianson is making uh, both in the interest of mill village and in clarifying what the intent is To preserve this as open space like my my only concern about the motion is what we just heard from Eugene And whether or not what we're doing is it passed the a legal test Uh, is it is it possible to bifurcate this to to approve the the annexation request and have this come back with an answer to the question if if we if we approve the motion or the prove the The uh condition that's that's asserted in the motion that we're doing something that's going to hold up not get us in legal trouble or Be viewed as a taking or whatever the issues might be Is that possible mayor and council I would uh recommend Uh continuing this item to allow for city attorney's office to do the legal research If you were to approve the ordinance Uh I guess you could bring it back for a motion to reconsider but You know approval of an ordinance on second reading is sort of the end of the road um So I think those are the options either continue or Approve now and and potentially uh bring it back on a motion to reconsider I could certainly have the legal research done by next regular session This is first reading Oh, this is first reading You're okay Your point still holds true, right? Yeah, yeah My mistake. I thought we were on second reading Um, you could approve it and I could get you that information Confidentially between now and second reading So so we would still have an opportunity at second reading To to approve that condition If if we don't have any legal issues attached to that that action is that clear? Is that correct? Correct councilmember waters All right, so I just would say I I'm sympathetic But I'd personally I'd rather wait if we're going to vote on it tonight I'll probably vote against in a motion only because I don't know where we stand legally. I'd rather personally Continue it And take that action when it comes back for second reading Knowing that we're not going to create some problem for the city. Is that a motion dr. Waters to table the motion Uh, yeah, I'll I'll move to table the motion. I'll second it Um, any debate on the issue of tabling this issue till next council meeting All right, all in favor I I Hi Hi May All right the motion to table item 8b is postponed until the next meeting no nuts Eugene. Thank you All right, let's go ahead and move on to item. Yep. Go ahead councilor peck Thank you. I'm just for clarification. Um, are we I understood uh the city attorney to say that He would give us that information And then we could Put a Condition on it at second reading. Did I understand you rather than come back with it at next meeting? Can you clarify that? Eugene is that accurate mayor and council Eugene may yeah, that was that was one option would be to approve tonight On first reading I get you additional information Uh shortly and then Council could make a decision on the condition on second reading Okay, thank you for that clarification All right, get us the information Eugene. Thank you. All right. Um item 9d council martin Don't we need to approve the ordinance on first reading? Uh, that's true if there's a motion Is there a moment I'll move approval of 8b you have got to go scroll back up to the ordinance on first reading I'll second that any further discussion or debate Is pauli still around And somebody call pauli and get back on Mayor she's on We lost her your video Okay, really? Oh I'm here Okay, well, let's go let's go ahead and vote. There's a motion to pass uh 8b on first reading all in favor say hi mayor Don't we have two motions to pass? Uh on the table now because I moved it first I guess the two most we moved it again. Yeah, it's been moved But the uh 8 9b will or 8b will be voted on all in favor say hi. Hi Hi Opposed say nay All right, the motion passes unanimously. Thank you. All right. Now. Let's move on to 8d A resolution along with city council approving the second amendment to the intergovernmental agreement for the funding coordination of a joint compensation study But it's between the city of longmont county of this park the city foreclones the city of loveland and river power authority council member martin Uh, yeah, thank you. Mayor bagley. I have a couple of questions about this um And part of them part of them were uh, answered by the staff this afternoon, but I still want to ask them uh First of all, uh This the scope of this study um, is it just going to be a wage and salary study in terms of Oh what? Competitive wages are for a class of workers among Different parts of the country That that the municipal distribution utilities might hire or is it going to Consider other options for filling the positions such as the city engage cities engaging in workforce development um You know education support Uh, you know other methods other than hiring on the competitive market Uh council member martin may or vaguely members of city council david hornbacher here Uh, good question council member martin the scope of the study is to gather um data specific to compensation for A different classes of electric utility positions as identified And that just provides us with information We also when we look at overall compensation within the city of wangwa. This is a Uh a set of data points that we'd use but we also look at what we also provide for competition as well as workforce development uh training um development plans and so forth because we do feel it's very important to Uh nurture and grow our employees and that is also a uh, let's call it an attractive benefit that the city offers I think and to answer part of your question, you know, we have had some conversations um with representatives from the school district regarding the innovation center and In their p-tech program to say how can we Uh potentially look to the future in terms of attracting folks who who may want to have a career in terms of being a alliance person um And we've dabbled in some of that with them, you know sandy's work with them on the technology side That's another piece of the conversation that we have to look as a broader talent pool for the organization And we need to do that more holistically in terms of how do we encourage people to go into programs where we know And we see a lag in potential applicants in the future And I think that's a different conversation that we also want to continue Okay, uh, thank you, Harold That's fine. I pretty much just wanted to get That option and that course of strategy, especially if we're going to be in money saving mode on the table And uh, express my supports for it. So with that I move passage of resolution 2020-34 I'll second All right. I eat d has been moved by councilman martin and seconded by uh councilman reallis fairing There's no other debate discussion. Let's go ahead and vote all in favor say aye I'll oppose say nay nay all right Let's move on to the tail end of our Webex meeting Um, let's go ahead and move to 11. Are we doing okay? By the way, is it okay to power through the end here? Yeah, but did you vote nay on this last resolution mayor bagley? No, it did not pass unanimously. Sorry. All right. Thank you I'm gonna have to step away for two minutes Do you want us to stop Harold or do you want us to go ahead and request for the c council to refer The westview acres annexation and annexation review process. Do you want us to wait for you? It would be great if you could wait for me for two minutes. Let's go ahead and wait for two minutes Let's let's all take a break for five. All right. Thanks Move on to general business 11 a request for city council to refer the westview acres annexation into the annexation review process And earlier when I was right referring to the to uh first step. This is it correct harrell All right, so all we're doing is approving The idea that city staff can go ahead and entertain the idea of the Westview acres annexation. We're not approving it councilor peck Um, thank you, mayor bagley. I will approve the uh annexation process But I do want to make a statement that I personally do not Want to annex any more lands for development that are in the airport Influence zone until we get some of those Lawsuits, especially the part 16 lawsuit because we just keep getting more and more people who are complaining about that and I would like to have some Kind of resolution on where we're going. What is that all about and um, If we keep growing the city out that way We're just going to continue with the complaints without any way or any answer to what we're doing at the airport So, um, I'll agree to put it in the process, but I just wanted to make that statement councilmember pack. I'm sorry council hurt christensen Okay, um Is there any affordable housing in this or is there any payment in lieu? Or did this yes, I'd like to know that That Is council members at this point in the referral process Oh, the applicant has not stated whether they're going to provide 12 of the units On site or whether they're going to pay the cash in lieu because we're very preliminary at this process Um, I think as we go through annexation proceedings if it were approved tonight And I do have a small presentation if you'd like to see it But that hasn't been flushed out at this point I think the answer well the answer to the specific answer is they will have to provide 12 percent or 12 Percent cash in lieu. We just don't know which at this point Okay, thank you I'd just like to point out once again. We're taking agricultural land and turning it into luxury housing Okay, councilmember martin Thank you, mayor bagley. Um Well, I don't necessarily disapprove of taking agricultural land and turning it into something else because we've got a lot of open space of I don't think that the land use in the Rough concept plan that we have at this point is consistent with our vision for the city um now The best all collaboratives has some other projects in the city. I mean my suspicion would be that they intend to Satisfy the affordable housing ordinance with with credits from other projects in the city, but Do we really wanted to squander one of the last developments available to long month on large lot Um, you know cul-de-sac winding road kind of developments um I'm not I'm not real excited about that concept plan Dr. Waters Thanks, mayor bagley You know, I I'm one of probably several council members who's met with the developer and seen other things that this developer wants to do And uh, and I've been impressed with both the person and in other projects So this is not about you know, this is not about the developer and this I'll stand up there or anything like that But for me just fundamentally The idea of continuing to annex at the edge of longmont In this case kind of the most extreme south West edge of town For this kind of a project for 22 lots That are not the housing stock that we've we've all agreed that we need And at the end of the day if I understand on the upside Where um If this were to go through the annexation Application process and the annexed and developed You know, there's some upside in terms of use tax or whatever in terms of building On that property assuming people are buying their their building materials from From something inside our city limits But over the long run somebody's going to have to persuade me Even to refer this to the the review process That the revenues per acre Generated on this project are going to be sustainable over the next 25 or four years Because this is a classic example of a project That that it's going to cost the city Way more than that then it's going to generate in property tax and other forms of revenues other parts of longmont I believe over the long run will have to subsidize the city's cost to maintain infrastructure For something that's for this particular project It's developed on that site with this level of density And if I don't get the economics of it, I'm I'm I'm going to all the years I'd like to learn But based on you know, what I think I've learned This just doesn't this doesn't play as as a benefit to the city. I understand why it's a benefit to the developer I understand why it's a benefit to the investors Somebody tell me how it's in a benefit to the city or me to vote. Yes, even to refer it or review Because right now I don't see it and I'm going to vote no unless somebody can persuade me otherwise All right, seeing no one else. Do we have a motion for 11a? All right, there's no motion for 11a at this point So, all right, let's move on to 11b 2020 legislative bills recommended for city council position Sandy cedar are you hiding and lurking somewhere on this web x broad podcast? Mayor she has not logged in it was she expected Oh, no, I just was wondering if she had any 2020 legislative bills I don't think she has any All right, cool. I was going to say mayor. I think they're they're still uh, Not meeting the legislature. So there's no item Okay, all right, so let's go ahead and move on to final call public invited to be heard. I'm assuming there's none, correct? Just us we are all here Let's move on to mayor and council comments All right, saying none and and I guess I guess the only thing I want to say is uh, It is an electorate of it. Yeah, go ahead councilmember It's like councilmember uh christiansen I just wanted to remind people once again to fill out their census form You have time on your hands. Fill out your census form. Please We've had it since 1779 Just do it. It is how we collect federal money. Um, and also Everybody we've been doing a really terrific job and a lot of people have Really joined force and that's the kind of town long money. So keep on keep on it. Keep the faith We'll do better It'll take a while. It's going to be rough, but we're doing okay. Thank you All right, great councilmember peck Thank you, mayor bagley. I just wanted to say that not this past sunday, which was easter But the sunday before there was a great turnout for the honk Appreciation at the lawnmine united hospital policemen showed up fire stage fire trucks showed up and everybody honked for Um, the caregivers there in appreciation for the caregivers and if we could do that again, I think it would be great It it really was a super Super turnout. So thank everybody who did that councilmember ilago farang So, um, yeah today we had our um web x meeting with the youth council And they're working on um a project to put out online Actually celebrating our seniors our high school seniors So they're going to um, I think every week they're going to turn something out to post on their facebook and get out on social media Because our our poor high schoolers, you know, they're having to make a lot of adjustments and um, I feel really You know, it was it was bringing me to tears listening to some of the seniors there talk About, you know, just really missing out on that experience and what what they'd had planned for their senior year and and it's it's lost so You know, my heart goes out to them and I wanted to let you know most our lawnmine seniors know i'm i'm thinking about you and um Yeah, and keep keep an eye out on social media to um to look for that celebration of seniors All right, great anybody else I guess the only thing I want to say is uh You know going back to my uh, when when this first started as we all know I said some comments that were pretty emotional And essentially what I was only asking is I was asking for data right and so, uh I'm not calling for anything at this moment, but I just want to point out that uh, every single email and call that I've received Every single one criticizing my comments calls me an idiot stupid And it just gets old and so uh, uh, and I have yet to have my questions answered Which are uh, you know, what what are the consequences? Meaning i'm not calling that we end this I just want to Just want the data Uh unemployment to 13 percent that doesn't mean that I love money What it's mean what it means is it's estimated that as much as 40 000 people will kill themselves for every one percent increase in unemployment um 50 percent of uh Of people with heart failure. I mean you're at a higher you're at a 50 percent higher risk of heart failure if you're suffering from a heart attack Um if you're if you're dealing with unemployment Um, and so I'm not calling for a change I'm just pointing out that I would really appreciate it if Politics would take a back seat as we're dealing with all this because I think we're all stressed um And uh, I just really don't appreciate I'll listen to public I'll listen to public invited to be heard, but uh, it really grates on me when uh, when people swear And so I would appreciate if people in the future would enter the public discourse With data questions and some maturity. So anyway anybody else All right, herald anybody you No comments mayor council All right, Eugene No comments mayor. All right, great. There's nothing else. We are adjourned another Tuesday down. All right. Thank you