 Run it up, do run it back. Run it up, do run it back. Run it up, do run it back. Good morning. It is Tuesday here at Vandal TV. And this is Run It Back, a show about hoops, all the hoops. What are you laughing about? My name is Tom. So we don't talk about hoops at all until right now. Yeah, we don't. Well, we were trying to figure out if the lotto is real or not. That was the big topic of discussion this morning. It's not. And it's not. Lou, Chandler, Michelle, Shams joining us. There it is. Wow, now you're like a day into your, what is it, 30th year? Yeah. How does it feel? Now I'm really old. You know, someone told me today we're all as young as we're ever going to be and we're as old as we're ever going to be. So that's my motto for like the rest of our life. While you're hanging around some. I heard that yesterday. Wise words. That is well said. Great. Chandler's impressed. What do you have later? We are going to start with some hoops, but we're going to take a turn today because the one thing everyone can agree on is we were all watching the women play last night. And boy was it fun. It lived up to it. LSU, Iowa. It was the big rematch. Would things be smooth? They were. But Caitlin Clark, if you had doubts about who she is, she had 41 points on the night, you guys. And it was quite fun to watch. And most anticipated game, not just in women's, I'd say across the board. Like I don't care about any of the men's games as much as I did about last night. What did you think about her performance? This was unbelievable. And I'm ashamed to say this is the first time I've ever watched. I said an alarm. I wouldn't say that. I said an alarm to watch this game. I was so excited to watch this game. And it was unbelievable. First of all, the way both of them play, the way Caitlin Clark can shoot the ball, can pass the ball, the way she sees cutters back door. And then on the other side, Angel Reese, the way she dominates inside and block shots. It was one of the most exciting games I've ever watched. And it was so much fun. It's great for their game. It's great for the sport. And they've single-handedly put this sport on the map. And it's awesome to watch. And I'm excited for the Final Four. And I can't wait to see the future of this sport because, man, it's different watching her. She gives me the same feeling. I said this sport. She gives me that Steph Curry feeling. Because she's shooting from, like, half court. She's dropping no looks. She's throwing full court passes. She's shooting from 35 feet. It really is fun to watch. Did you watch? Oh, you were at Universal. Did you get to see any? Yeah, we were on our phones. Nice. Yeah, we were on our phones. I was with my daughter. And she was really locked in. But to piggyback off of what Chandler said, to be a part of women's basketball, coach women's basketball, it's a great time to be a fan of these young ladies. You know, from the Juju Vikings, from the Angel Reese's to the Flau Jays, the Kalen Clarks, the Paige Beckers, Adi Crooks, Cameron Brink. It's so many different women that are making a name in the college basketball world. It's going to make the game so much stronger than the young ladies that's coming up. So it's exciting to see the excitement around the women's basketball game. And you know what? I'll say this. Hailey Van, Leith, Hailey Van, Angel Reese, they're getting so much hate on social media. And it's crazy because 99% of these people that are talking shit about these girls have never played at this level of competition, have never competed, have never put a sport on the map like these girls are doing. So I hope they're watching this because they don't deserve that. This is great what they're doing. And it's so much fun and so exciting. So I hope you guys can continue to change and continue because you are changing the game right before our eyes. I love it though because it's a rite of passage. Think about how much trash and shit goes on in a man's game. After every single game you can go on X or Twitter or whatever you want to call it and there's trending topics of people talking trash about the game. If people are talking trash about basketball and it's basketball related trash talk, you are a part of the game. So congratulations ladies. Y'all are doing an amazing job and I look forward to more trash talk. I love it. I wonder because you just rattled off a list of names. Can you do the same for the men's game? Absolutely not. I can't. Like right now I can't. DJ Burns. I mean I can but it's crazy. That's what I'm saying. Like the level that Caitlyn Clark is, she's in the league of her own. You're seeing her now. It's all deserving. She's in the State Farm commercial. She's on national ads. She's getting offered these $5 million offers. Who knows if that's real or not. She's become such a household name because she's so exciting to watch and it's different and she's in the league of her own. Now I don't think we should make it a competition with the guys and girls and something like that but I think it's both, it's great for both of them and March Madness in general. It's really cool that Yukon, both teams are going to the Final Four. That's crazy. NC State, both teams are going to the Final Four. It's just awesome and it's great for both sports. I think the difference between the women's game and the men's game. The men's game, you can go G League, you can go one and out, you can be one and done, you can go overseas, you have all these different outlets. On the women's side, you watch them from freshmen to seniors because they can't leave until after their third year. You actually watch the growth. You watch a star's born. Like imagine if Caitlin Clark leaves after her freshman year, we don't get all of these moments. Now she has an opportunity to, she has an opportunity to go get all of these records and we can watch her build and we can watch these rivalries be born as well. You know, we had an opportunity to see LSU versus Iowa in a rematch where it went Iowa's way. You know, so the women's game, they have it figured out, salute to them in the college world. The men's, we still got some work to do as far as infrastructure. I know the NIL is throwing things off a little bit on the men's side, but on the women's side, it looks like they got it figured out. And even going back to last year with the Angel Reese going, I love that. I'm good with that. This is part of the game. That is the theater. If someone did that and men's college hoops or someone did it in the NBA, we would love them. We would praise them. So why is she getting shit on for doing that when it's just part of the game and then afterwards you see them chopped it up and it's all love and respect. Yeah, they're competitive. And they've created storylines. They've created excitement around games. It's creating a buzz and an audience that they've never had before, which is awesome. And it's okay to be a quote-unquote villain in certain regards because people are going to like you or they're not. And that's their own personal issue and it is what it is. But Shams, you know, the Steph Sabrina thing during the All-Star weekend arguably was a highlight of the entire event. Are we going to get more of that? Seeing how hype and how hot this women's game is right now. At this point, Steph and Curry versus Sabrina Yinescu is very likely for next year. And next year's All-Star weekend, guys. It's going to be in the Bay Area in San Francisco at Chase Center in 2025. And I'm told with Katelyn Clark and potentially Clay Thompson to make it 2v2. Steph and Curry, Clay Thompson and his splash brother. I'm told Steph Curry is specifically brought up potentially having Clay Thompson in this competition for next year. Could a guy like Damien Lillard be a candidate as well to join Steph Curry? But those two guys potentially against Sabrina Yinescu and Katelyn Clark, those are all conversations that are going to continue to go on in the coming months. And as we get into the 24-25 season, I'm curious from Chandler and Luz's perspective and also you, Michelle, who would you want to see with Steph Curry? Does that mean it's going to be a warrior? And do you think it should definitely be Sabrina Yinescu and Katelyn Clark? Yeah, it's a little dicey warrior. I mean, no, those would be the two I'd want to see. And even Sabrina, think about this year how she lost, but she was unbelievable. She beats 99% of the guys that she shoots against this year, not named Steph Curry. So I think looking back to All-Star Weekend, that was my favorite event. So yeah, I would love to see it more. The girl from USC, she's a freshman, she can't leave, but she's nasty. She's fun to watch. She's only a freshman. That's crazy. It's crazy. So yeah, I would love to see this. To Clay and Steph thing would make sense with these two girls. But yeah, it was my favorite part of All-Star Weekend last year. Same. I wouldn't mind it. I wouldn't mind it to see a lot of these young ladies involved. And if the NBA and the WNBA can figure out a way to infuse more, even they can do the skills competitions. You know, even in the years past, you've seen WNBA players do the skills competition where it was a... Oh, they did teams. Right, teams. There was a legend involved, a young lady from the WNBA and a current player from the NBA that represented organizations. I did it. I did it in Houston. It was like me, Kenny Smith and Witherspoon, I think. Really? Yeah, someone. Theresa Witherspoon. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. There you go. She would do the passing and then you'd kind of alternate. This would be really... This is good. I think Steph and Sabrina, they did a great job of introducing it and it should only grow from there. I love this for us. This is going to be exciting. We did get some NBA hoops last night. Obviously took a back seat. But Sons Pelicans, goodness gracious Booker. 52. Sons win. 124. Look at this. Pelicans now with the one game lead over the Sons. That's interesting, by the way. Nurkic finished with 19 and 19 rebounds. Zion had his 30 points. But the 52 from Devin Booker, third straight 50 point performance against this Pelican squad. I've asked this and I wish I could understand the science behind it more. But there are just some teams that do what? Bring something out in you or is there a matchup issue? What is this? Well, this is, he said after the game, this is the closest arena to his hometown. So he has 40 plus people there. So that might play a factor in his family seeing him play live in person. They don't get to see that. But also Willie Green is saying that this is embarrassing. They defended him soft. There's no way someone can get 50. And Lou knows, if someone has a game on you, the previous game, and they give you 40, 50, 60 points. What's wrong with you again? You are watching so much film. You are making adjustments. You are fouling him, double-teaming him, throwing the kitchen sink at him. So the fact that he's done it three times in a row is one of the crazier stats that I've ever seen. And then being in New Orleans probably doesn't matter because I'm sure one of three of these games were in Phoenix. Yeah, no, exactly. He likes the Pelicans. If a team allows you to get a rhythm, you can't wait to play them again. That's one of the games you're going to circle on a calendar. But they don't want to throw a double team. They don't want to trap him. You're going to leave Kevin Durant open? Yes. I mean, you're going to try. This guy's got to leave base for another 50 ball. Yeah. I'm not letting him give 50 again. I mean, look at that. Three fifties is incredible, but at the end of the day, that's the point of this Phoenix Suns team. You have to guard them honestly because they got two more guys that can give you the same exact 50 that Devin Booker has. And so it creates match-up problems for them. But it feels like they're not... 52 points is 52 points. Yeah. I would try to just... I don't know. It just feels like why... I'm taking the ball out of his hands if he's cooking like that. But again, you're going to take it from his hands and you're going to put it in another guy's hands that can literally do the exact same thing. But I'm taking my chances to see what happens because three in a row, it's three in a row. But I don't think that's really... Like once you're out on the floor, it's not even a thing. Do they play again this year? Because I need to see the next continent. They do play again this year. There's no chance. Because if Willie Green is specifically bringing it up... We'd probably say that after the second 50. We probably did, actually. Yeah. Because you know when you get your ass busted, that film, it's humbling. You watch it. You can't... The tape never lies. There he goes again and there he goes again. So does it... Is there something they should be... Should they be running their offense through him more often or is this a specific Pelican's issue with Booker? Well, this is the luxury of their team that Lewis talked about. Who are you going to stop? Double team him. Then Bradley Beal can go and get 50. No one's even talked about Nurkwich at 19 and 19 last night. Grace and Alan's having a career year this year from three. So they have so many weapons that it's impossible just to... Okay, let's stop Devon Booker today. Let's take the ball out of Bradley Beal's hands. He's been the most inconsistent of the big three Bradley Beal, but he's been dealing with a bunch of injuries and he's going to figure it out. But yeah, with this kind of offensive firepower, there's no right answer. He's got to hope they're off and make this and say their game plan was probably to stop Kevin Durant. Yeah. Because when you game plan for teams, the point is to stop something. We're going to take something away. Kevin Durant is the best player on that team. They probably said, listen, tonight we're game planning for Kevin Durant. Take one. Yeah, we're going to take things away and Devon Booker took full advantage of it. Well, it ruined my prop party contribution. Oh, I actually had sons. Yeah. Zion over. I'm trying to figure out how to fix it. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out one thing. The son's inconsistencies like they play Denver so well. They have a big win on the road there. They have a big win on the road in New Orleans. They needed that one. But then in the middle, you have losses to San Antonio. Yeah. Without Big Romaniano, you have a loss against Oklahoma City without Shay. Like what? Like why? I don't understand inconsistencies. Is it just not waking up for those teams? What is it? I mean, honestly, the season is so long. You're not going to be perfect, right? You're going to have bad games. You're going to have teams that just can't miss against you that night. You're going to have blown covers. You're going to have off nights. And I feel like this team with their talent, with their roster, they should have less of those. And they don't. And they've had Bradley Beale in and out of the lineup, which has hurt because we've been waiting for this big three all season long. We've barely got a little taste of it. We've seen the Nuggets on the road. This is why they are that scary team because we've seen them do it before. We always talk about it. We haven't seen Oklahoma City do it in the playoffs. We haven't seen Minnesota do it. We've seen these guys do it. We've seen these guys play on the biggest stage. We've seen these guys make multiple All-Stars in all NBA teams. So they have the resume, which gives us more comfort, you know, when we make our picks on why. But it is, it's crazy because this is a team that is deep. This is a team that is defensively. So they should be in a lot better position than they are. And we, and again, we talked about it yesterday with OKC, confidence and chemistry, right? Even though on paper, this should be a team that's dominating the NBA and dominating the Western Conference. This is that first year together. You know, when you add in a Bradley Bill and Kevin Durant coming over last year, this is going to be something that's going to take time. Obviously, we're going to be a little bit more impatient and dominate. But think about the teams that's been building for years now. OKC has been putting that team together. Denver has been putting that team together. You know, the Boston Celtics on the East, that's been a team that's been consistently together and you're starting to see the fruits of that. And so maybe we should be a little bit more patient with this Phoenix Suns team. But, you know, they're in a position right now with so much talent, they're forced to be a part of the championship or bus crew of teams. And then they're gone. And then they're so like, with a team like this, it's like they're all in their prime or past their prime. How patient can we be? Because we only have a small window of how these three could be playing together. So hopefully they continue to play. Hopefully there's no moves this off season because this team has the potential to be very, very good. I mean, new ownership seems like a patient dude. Like he's in it for the long haul. I don't know if the players, I guess we're looking at the players at that point. Do you want to be moving around? Right now, 44-31, we talked about seventh. They're a game back. Do you think they have enough, and by the way, their schedule is the Pelicans, the Cavs, the T-Wolves twice, the Clippers twice. Good Lord. Then the Kings. I know they got one of the tougher endings to their season. But do they have enough to push forward into that six spot? I think they stay put. I just hadn't seen the consistency that I would like to see this team have to say that they're going to go out with the strength of schedules that they have left, and they're going to go into that six spot when the Pelcs have been doing their thing consistently. I say they stay put right there, but I don't think the play-in is going to be a challenge. But for them to win one game, I think they'll be fine. What's interesting, if they make the play-in, they'd rather the eight seed than the seven seed so they can play Oklahoma instead of Denver in that first round. So that would also be a little tweak there. But the only thing they have on their side right now is health. Sacramento Kings, they're out. So you'd think they'd have a little slippage. And then with the Pelicans, Brandon Ingram, he's still out. So those are two teams that they are chasing that do have some health issues. But like you just said, their schedule is not very favorable for them down the stretch. But those are the teams. It's a good test that they get that type of strength of schedule right before the post season. So that should help them. But I think they're not worried. I think they think like I do, that they can beat anybody in a series. So who cares? That would be an epic first round series Denver, Phoenix. They brought up Brandon Ingram, Shoms. The team is about 500 basically since he went out. Any shot of getting him back for the postseason? That's the hope. That's what the Pelicans are hoping for. Brandon Ingram is going to be re-evaluated at the end of the week. That'll be the two-week mark. And the hope is by that three-week mark next week, he's going to be back in the lineup. But with the bone bruise, you have to be careful. And also, for the playoffs, for the playing tournament, but I mean, just looking at the standings there, like we're going to see a lot of movement this next couple weeks. It's going to be fun. Tie breakers, I feel like, are more involved this year than any other year. Actually, remember them all at this point. Shoms, love you, mean it. We will see you tomorrow when we come back from your Charlotte Hornets. And former spur, Davis Bertons joins the show. Great beard. Great beard. And so many books. What's happening? I don't think he's where he is. Eight year vet place for the Charlotte Hornets right now. Here he is. Davis Bertons rocking the sweet-ass beard. Lou, you want to solve the mystery before we can move on? What's going on here? That's not a library. Yeah, he's not in a library. Are you an avid reader, though? Actually, no, I probably should have gone with a different one. Big book on tape. I mean, you look like a genius right now. You got so many books, although they do look like they could be children's books. I don't know. I don't know what's going on, Davis, but I like this for you. Look, you guys played the best team in the league last night, and yet, here you are. I only bring that up to point out, Chandler would have called in sick and played golf all day. We appreciate your professionalism. But we just heard your nickname in that clip, Latvian Laser. A, it was given to me, I guess, by the Spurs announcers. Bill Land? Yeah. Nice. And it's my first year already, and it kind of stuck after that. And I would say, I'm not going to say it's the best nickname in the league, but I would say one of the top 10 probably if it would go through. Shut up, Bill. There you go. Davis, I'm reading this for the first time here. Is it true you only have four and a half fingers on your shooting hand? Whoa! First of all, I need a backstory on that and how the hell are you still such a great shooter with, you know, that situation on your hand? Wow! Well, the very short version is, I was like 12, 13 years old, grandfather needed wood for heating. We come from a really small town, like 3,000 people. Like everybody knows everybody by their first names. And, yeah, needed heating. And it was me, my brother and my dad were cutting wood. Unfortunately, and the short story is just, I ended up on the wrong end and it started raining, started rushing, and they kind of got on there. But I still, like even though, you know, it's a little bit of a lucky situation, I was lucky that I didn't lose also the middle finger because I kind of nail off of that as well. Wow! Is that the finger for a wedding band? That's smart. Well done. Oh, no, it's the other hand. Oh, you, okay, you did it right. Have you played basketball yet before this happened and you had to like, so you, did you start shooting? Me and my brother were basically born in a basketball gym. So, I was playing the basketball since I remember myself. So, you know, at that point, my dad was the one that was like, since he played and coached and did all of that. Like, he was the one all basketball is over. You know, I was like, I didn't even think about it. Wow. Dad, calm down. That's crazy. You, you started this season with OKC before being traded at the deadline over to Charlotte. What was it like building with those young guys and did you see the potential of this team possibly being who they are now? Definitely. You know, coming in didn't really know much to expect in our young team. You know, during the season they didn't really win much before we get traded. We haven't done much of winning since the trade as well, but I think it's improved a little bit, yeah, I didn't know what to expect much, but all these young guys, you know, they work their butts off every single day and our guy like Miles didn't know him before. And I was really, really pleasantly surprised. Great guy. He's really, really working hard. I can't say much else about that. And the same thing with Brandon, you know, he's a rookie, but he can hook and, you know, if he listens to the older guys a little bit more, we can help him a little bit with the other stuff, you know, the basketball part is all great. I won't get you in trouble with the fan base down there and Charlotte, but you got to admit you were a little pissed being traded from OKC to Charlotte. What was that adjustment like? You know, that's a stick with both, with two ends, you know, and one thing is going to the team from one that's aspiring to win a championship this season and playing really great, but, you know, how far at the end of the bench I was, the other side is coming here to Charlotte and getting to play basketball. You know, I don't think you'll do it not so much probably, but Chandler at one point, you know, with all the injuries, like, you know how it is not to play and just be around the team and wanting to be on the court, it's really tough, so I'm just happy to play basketball again. And the longer off-season, I look on the bright side, though. No, there it is. They're always fine on the bright side, Chandler P. Light at the end of the tunnel. There's always something there. All right, you recently took the shot to the nose there. So now you got the face mask, the batman, all of it all. What is it like playing with that thing on? Do you feel it? Do you ignore it? What is it? You know, for the shooting part, it's not a full problem. You know, you see the hoop easily, but I think the problem is, since I'm not that good of a ball handler, if I got to put it on the floor, if I can't see, like, it just feels like I can't see nothing below. And, you know, that's going to help improve my ball handling, but it's also a little bit tougher for me. I guess, yeah, it's like having blinders on. You can't really see anything. A few nights ago, the Hornets broadcasters were discussing your level of toughness. Here they are. Playing with a mask for the first time this season, he got hit in the schnoz on Wednesday against Cleveland. He didn't even realize it because he continued to play. That's how tough he is. Suffer than Woodpecker Lips, apparently. He is. Okay. Yeah, let's put a... By the way, this announcers class. Are you tougher than Woodpecker Lips, Davis? What does that mean? Well, I guess Woodpecker Lips, well, beak, more likely. Yeah. So that's pretty tough, right? Yeah. It doesn't really get much tougher than that. I've never heard that saying. But actually, I didn't realize during the game that I've probably broken because it cracked and I felt like a little like something on the side. So I just, I just walked over and they asked me if I want to go check it in the back. I was like, well, like, I can breathe, so it's fine. Anything. Yeah. At all. Like it's a little bit crooked. Like usually it's like, you know, I'm not the best looking guy, but usually I look a little bit better. No. I feel like we look great. Davis, a few years ago, we've seen a lot of players that got upset with Ronnie over there at 2K with about their, their player rating. Have you ever talked to him about that and has it since changed now that you're on the floor a little bit more? He's still, still hating. I really couldn't care less to be honest. I'm good. Wait, do you guys really care about that? Absolutely. So you check it and then complain. Yeah. Because somebody's literally telling you, you suck sometimes. Someone, by the way, who's never played in his life. There we go. He's never hooped before, never played. And he's like, you're only a buzzer. I'll listen to somebody that comes up to me that says that he made 53s in a row and then I'll maybe listen to him. There you go. Not this. There you go. Wow. Okay. My ranking was as high as it should have been too. Was it not good? No, I'm kidding. I have no idea what it is. The shooting, you got it. But every once in a while you'll throw it down and people seem to still be shocked online when this happens. Even teammates seem to be shocked, which I find to be a little bit insulting. Yeah. It doesn't happen to all. Look at him. Why are they still surprised? I mean, is this insulting to you? Because when you're the stiff, it's out of their chair when you slap glass on a layup and it's done. He says ten. Of course he can dunk. Davis, does this bother you that people are shocked? Is this the last time you dunk? Because I'm in this clip. Is this the last time you dunked a basketball? No. That was like four years. I actually got it dunked this year also. All right. There you go. I think I got two of them. Yeah. Do you feel, I mean, Chandler likes to point out. Oh, I remember towards the end of my career they went nuts. You would think that it's because, you know, I don't, I didn't do it often anymore and I've been hurting, you know, I mean, so people get extremely hyped. I think you should do it more. No, no, they get hyped if I dunk on somebody. That's, that's where everybody goes crazy. If I do it by myself, I'm like, I should be able to do it even, you know, close to retirement. Yeah. I think people get excited for y'all dunking for a different reason than they were getting excited. It's because we're white. Because it's so white, Lou. Oh, God. I get to pick up race and everything. You came into the NBA as an international prospect from Latvia, obviously, and you were drafted in 2011, but you didn't play in the NBA until 2016. Oh my. How did that time playing overseas prepare you for when you got to the league? Since I had a really, really great, but he was also very crazy, you know, well-known coach, Serbian coach, Dirk Kovryoshevich. And those were two seasons where I had to miss 10 months in the middle with the ACL injury, which I got my first full year there in the last game of the final series. And then it was the ACL rehab. But yeah, with that coach, that was what probably prepared me the most for whatever challenges that might have coming along. And, you know, six hours, seven hours a day of practice, that split into practices usually. And some of those, well, me and Bogdan Buidano, which we couldn't leave the gym after the morning shoe rounds, until we made 10-year-old coming off screens and then he would just come up with like some stuff like, you know, wearing gloves, taping the dominant eye shot. Like it was, it was ridiculous, you know, having another coach with a broom just contesting extremely high. And I think, I think going through all that with him being, you know, Serbians, they like to cuss and really, really get into like personal insults. Oh, wow. And all that is like, at the end of the day, it's like, if a coach now and then be a custom out, like, you know, I'll take the message, but it just really does not faze me even for a little bit. That's like the perfect prep, because then in 2016, you go to the Spurs and pop. So it's like, could you be better prepared? You get there, you've got international stars, Manu, Tony Parker. Did that sort of, I don't know, make the path seem a lot easier as far as having guys from around the world that you could sort of learn from and talk to? Definitely. You know, there's so many international players on every single team, but back then, you know, having San Antonio as a team that's like a nice transition from European basketball to the NBA, it definitely made it much, much easier. And, you know, every single guy that plays an important role, like they come in from kind of internationally. You know, Manu played in Europe. Tony grew up there. Then Patty, who's from Australia, you know, you know, he came to college, you know, every part of the world, it made it so much easier just to adjust and then playing the type of basketball that they played, moving the ball all the time. Everybody gets attached. Nobody cares. Who's finished in the play at the end. It was a really, really easy transition. Do you have any pop stories that you can share? I mean, I know some of them are not shareable. Did he like you? I think he did. For most part, you know, except for making some bad mistakes, the defensive end sometimes, you know, then you get in a dog house in the first few years and then don't step on the court for a little while after that. But, like, it's just him yelling at every single guy. If they mess it up, doesn't matter if it's Tony or it's Manu, if it's me or right now, it could be a two way. Like he does not care. Like he's going to, he wants the team play a certain way. If you don't do it, you're going to keep you responsible, regardless if your jersey is going to be in the rafters in like three years after that. I like that. But you probably, you respect that. Yeah, as a player. Oh, definitely. I respect that. And, you know, in a way right now, Cliff is the same way. I kind of love that old school type of coaching. You know, that's, that's what I grew up with. And I feel comfortable with that kind of environment where the coach is just holding every single guy responsible the same way. Davis, my last question for you is Adam Silver recently has said that he may go to a format where he goes USA versus the world and looking at the list of these international players, obviously, you're well aware. Yoke is Donkage, SGA, Giannis, Joel, Wimby, although we got Joel this on the team. Yeah. Who, how cool would that be? Who wins that game? Would you be stoked to possibly play in that game? I think there's a little bit better players than me. To make that world team would love to, of course, but, I don't know, if that was the All-Star game format, I think everybody would try a little bit harder to win just to be able to talk a lot of smack, you know, and I feel that would make it really competitive. I hate it, by the way. I'm all for that. Anything other than what they're doing now for the All-Star game. You just made the argument even more for us to have this happen. Quite possibly, but you also, it's also international players that don't care about the All-Star game as well as the USA players. World dominance. I think it's divisive. Basketball has brought so many people together. Save that for the Olympics. Not inside of the NBA. That's my opinion. He's being soft, Davis. I'm so sorry about that. You're a soft guy. Everything's divisive. We appreciate the time. Go read a bunch of books behind you. He's like, I'll start from that side. Yeah, yeah. Just start over there and go down. Thank you. We'll take a quick break when we come back. Oh, it's golf time. Hey. Oh, it's happening. Will's All-Tourists and Chandler's going to hijack the whole interview when Run It Back returns. Run it back, run it back, run it up, then run it back, yuh, yuh. Run it up, run it back, like a... I mean, I feel like I could just read off the list of accomplishments of our next guests here and I can feel the excitement just emanating from my friend Chandler P here because joining us now, a man who's done the masters, he's done the PGA championship, he's done the U.S. Open. He's finished second at all those. He's joining us now from Dallas. Will Zalatoris is on the show and I thought you were going to stand up and show him your swing and be like... We'll get to that. Okay, we'll ease into that. I want to ask you, we're going to talk off obviously here in a second, but Hoops first, you're from the Bay Area, you're a Warriors fan. We talked so much about do they have anything left to make one more run at a championship. You're a fan of this team. Do you see it? I mean, I hope so. I mean, they've they've given us spurts of, like, hope throughout the year. I mean, it's kind of fun whenever I'm on the road. I'm always watching the guys and, you know, we'll see, but I mean, it's going to be a grind. It's not an easy schedule coming up either. So two games against Dallas is not ideal. Yeah, if they don't get it this year, does it feel... I don't know, as a fan, does it feel like that dynasty is over? Clock is ticking. Yeah, I mean, it's... it's now or never. I mean, it's great to add in CP3, especially, you know, being a Wake Forest guy. Selfishly, it's a lot of fun, but it's now or never. Well, what is the... and I'm terrified to ask this because... Well, tidbit, you gave me a commercial break. What is the best Warriors game you have ever attended? Oh, dear. So, you may or may not have been on the floor. It was against Dallas. Okay. It was a game that I think was, like, right around Christmas and Steph and Clay went off for 40 each. Oh, my. And it was... it was disgusting, but, I mean, I sat behind the bench and maybe one of the funniest things about it, though, is watching Clay's mannerisms because he's, like... him shooting threes is just, like, a tit. Like, he's literally just, like, sitting on the bench, like, you know, Steve Kerr could be drawing up a player or something like that. And he's just sitting there just looking at the basket just, like, nonstop like this. And it's just, like, the most Clay thing ever. I mean, it's so funny. There's a good chance if they got hot, it was probably on. It's because I was guarding them. I got them kick-started there, but, uh... You have a legacy. He was gross. He was usually pretty busy during the NBA playoffs, but did you get to see most of their finals run? Yeah, I did. I mean, you know, I don't miss a game. You know, my dad and Bob Fitzgerald, who's in our announcers, and they've been friends for 30-plus years. They're actually playing golf on Friday together. Um, so I'm always, you know, in the middle of the broadcast, I'm like, you know, while I was out, especially I was always, like, you know, texting him and being like, you know, come on, man, we got to get this together and, you know, kind of venting at each other through the breaks. But, um, it's been a lot of fun. It's been a great run. I mean, I remember, you know, especially, you know, for me, it's been going on since I was in high school, so it's been a really, really cool run. Yeah, growing up in the Bay Area, we talked about this yesterday. One of the rookies on Charlie, he said his goat was Paul George, which, obviously, I don't think that means he thinks he's the best player ever, but is Steph your goat, just considering everything you've seen from when you watch? You know, everything you've seen him do in person? Yeah, I mean, like, when it comes to just not even just basketball, like, sport in general, like, someone who has literally transformed the game, um, it's kind of hard, not to, for me, not to say he's a goat. I mean, you know, for my dad, like, he's from Chicago. Like, if I said that in front of him, he'd be like, how dare you not say it's MJ. And I'm like, hey, different areas, you know, different areas, whatever, but like, you know, Steph can shoot. And it's just, it's been really, really fun to watch, you know, since he was, I mean, it's been a while. So I even remember when he was coming off the bench going to games and being like, man, this kid is, this kid is like, like, you know, like just randomly popping off, like, you know, seven out of, you know, seven, seven out of nine shooting threes, you know, just crazy stuff. Yeah. Sorry, I got a puppy while I was out. I know, let me see the puppy. She just ran away, of course. Oh, yeah. She'll come back. No, but, yeah, yeah, sorry. Oh, no, never apologize. Never apologize for a dog. Um, so you sank a KIPA 22 St. Jude championship and you shot it. What do they got to say now? Which is a Steph throwback, by the way. Have you found yourself being inspired by him in some way when you're playing golf? Yeah, I mean, especially like, because of the ankle injuries that he's gone through and like me with my back and him always kind of like being, you know, you're too small. You got bad ankles. Like, and I think for me, like, it's always kind of been like, you know, I, you hit it really good. You're going to make any putts. You know, you're going to do this. You're going to do that. You always finish second. And I'm just kind of like, hey, you know, I'm coming after you now. And so, you know, from back after the back surgery, I mean, he's been a huge inspiration to mine. So, you know, especially all the ankle injuries and then, you know, literally being one of the great, I mean, the greatest shooter of all time after everything that he went through. Well, what I've learned is there's somewhat new golfers. There's so many different levels to this. I know our boy Kevin Doherty, he's going through the corn ferry process. He gets his card. And the guy like Steph Curry, Tony Roma, they're scratch golfers. But you would bust their ass. How many strokes have you played with him before and how many strokes would you have to give him to actually make it even? Because scratch is different than a plus six or whatever you are. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's so I give Tony six. We play a lot. I mean, between Scotty, Shephler, Jordan Spieth, Kelly Kraft, me, we play with Tony quite a bit. And it's the most annoying six you've ever like had to play against because it's like he'll pop off five birdies with them. I'll make like four doubles and he could be birding his pop holes and you just have no chance. But like he also like playing with Tony is hysterical because he just literally like he will hit it everywhere. And then all of a sudden I'll make like a 30 footer like it's just so annoying. Like it's really funny because we could be we could be playing like a five man Wolf game. And like if he makes a putt and you're on his team, like no one's happy. Like, yeah, it's really fun. It's really. Yeah, but even like we have a side game going against each other and it's like if you make a putt, everyone's like, whatever. Come on. That's awesome. Well, I know you're familiar with some of the NBA golfers outside of Steph. Forget who's the who's the best. Who's the worst golfer in the NBA in European? Well, I mean, Barkley obviously takes the cake. I mean, I know he's not even I know he's retired, but like. I saw he fixed the hips, though. Well, he doesn't do he did. So I actually, he had to do like a commercial with Tony and he came down to Dallas and was hitting golf balls. And I was really impressed. Like it was really good, but that being said, like driving ranges 100 yards wide and there were still probably about 30 golf balls. That like we're either on the train tracks or in the parking lot. So like, it's better, but it's not good. I say this all the time. I think LeBron James is one of the most, if not the most athletic person in the world, but you give him like an eight iron and he just loses all he did. Has he played? Have you I've seen him like his little swing and it is top golf. Oh, yeah. It's brutal. I'm a top golfer. I'm a top golfer. Natural born golfer. So it's, but I feel like if you're one of the most athletic people in the world, you should be able to figure out that. No, I don't. Well, let's ask Will, because I don't know that they correlate. There's a different kind of coordination, right? To hit a golf ball. It's different. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's kind of like how baseball players like whenever you see them like making like swings outside the box, how they have this like crazy lag, like golf people think, you know, especially like you're talking about LeBron, how he's just kind of got this like, you know, one arm, you know, just like keeps the club in front of his body type thing. And that's the kind of lag that gets created in the golf swing. And so I think it's just different because it's like, especially like golf, you're, you're to the side, whereas in basketball, you're like facing forward and you're like kind of, it's just, it's just different. But like that being said, that being said, it's the only thing I got on LeBron. So that's all. So just keep it and run with it. By the way, we want to show you a little clip here of our best friend, Chandler Parsons, who spends a lot of time on golf courses. Here he is in Cabo, living his best life. Mix in some sunscreen. Nice. Yeah. No kidding. So I'm a dangerous 10, 11 index. I can go real low. I can also go real high. So we, that's a good partner. He said, yeah, the five-man Wolf game. That's, I'm playing that today at Sherwood. We go five-man Wolf, stroke off the low and we hammer. We hammer through the hole. We hammer through the hole, but yeah, I'm all over the place still. Sometimes I've played in some programs, some tournaments, I'm going to play in some more, but dude, it saved my life. I'm obsessed with golf. I do it three times a week. Three? Three? That's good. You got a good move. You got a really good move. Can you put a shirt on? I feel the love of God. It's a gentleman's life. That was at Chileno Bay. Have you ever played in these discovery courses, Will? Where it's just, Oh yeah. It's K. Oh yeah. He's played everywhere. Yeah. We, a lot of golfers have places over there, but we got, it's a good start. It does look wonky. I'll take it. Yeah, I agree with him on that. You got good people congratulating you when wonderful things happen. And I want to talk Adam Sandler here for a second, because there's the resemblance to the caddy from Happy Gilmore, which is vital and important, but also, we now know that we're getting a Happy Gilmore too. It's officially official. Could you be on that? You got to do it. So I'm getting a haircut tomorrow and I told my girl that I'm like, this is our last haircut for a while. I'm, I don't know if I'm going to be a part of it, but I'm going to be ready. Yes. So, hair's growing out. Wife is okay with it. Word, so it's going, Word. No, yeah. No haircut for a long time, hoping that, hoping I get the call. I mean, how could they not come calling? That is ridiculous. That's epic. He's like, the part that's funny is that the actor in real life is like, he's like a psychiatrist or something now. Like he's like, got his PhD. Oh, wow. Yeah. But it's, he like reached out to me and said like, congrats and all that. It was hysterical. It's like Docker. Yeah, it's great. All right, you're going to be in it. It's going to happen. Manifest. I hope so. I hope so. Lou, you're up here. Oh, are you taking over the interview again, Chandler? Oh, go ahead Lou. I want to, I want to ask, you're Wake Forest alumni. Do you, in the tournament, did you root for other ACC schools or, were you excited that Duke and UNC went out? My hatred for Duke is pretty rich. I'm not going to lie. That makes two of us. It's all good. Three of us. All of us. All of us. There we go. Basically, it's kind of funny because like, like I'm a Giants fan or San Francisco Giants fan. Like I hate the Dodgers. Like, I don't really care about the Padres, even though technically it's a rivalry. Like, UNC, like I'm kind of like, yeah, you're, I'm not rooting for y'all ever, but I played golf for Roy Williams once, who's an unbelievably awesome guy. Super funny, really good golfer actually, but like, I just can't root for Duke, like in anything. Like it's just, it's like the bane in my existence. That's smart. That's smart. I feel you. I don't even root for Duke if they didn't even go there. Like it doesn't even make sense. Do you even go here? Master's tee off and it's the happiest time for every grown man that I know. It's like Christmas all over again. So you got two weeks, you've had success there, run up 21, tied for 6-22, and then last year, the back injury. So most importantly, how are you feeling? I feel awesome. You know, I had a really good team of docs. I had the same doctors that a tiger went to. You know, it's been a, it's been a long journey. It's been about eight months. You know, really grinding on the rehab, but I feel really good. And, you know, it'll be pretty special when I get back there. And, you know, I blew out my back on the driving range 30 minutes before my tee time, which is like the biggest, like nightmare ever. And, you know, I honestly, like it's just going to be really special going back there, especially for, you know, me and my wife, because it was, you know, it was a fun time to be able to do the part three together for the first time. And then the next day, I'm out for the rest of the year. So, you know, I've got some, I got a chip on my shoulder this year too. You know, I know it's kind of fun talking about all the second places and majors, but I stare at all my second place trophies, you know, right before I head out the door every day. So I'm tired of looking at silver. I like that. That's the attitude you want to have. By the way, is there a world in which a catty last minute is ill or can't, can't work that weekend? Would you consider Chandler? I'll throw it in my bag. Yeah. Oh, Karen, your bag. Yeah. I got a lot of stuff in there. Like, whenever I take it out, take it out of the travel case after the end of the week, I'm like, God, leave my catty. You didn't get paid enough. You know, like the fifth time I ever played was at Cyprus and there was no carts. It was freezing and like no catty. And I carried my, and I was like, golf sucks. Did you hear that? I'm like, this is not discovery. This is not for me. I'm out on the catty. I'm also dyslexic on the greens too. I'm five strokes better than without a catty than without a catty. So I am useless for you in that category. It might be the tequila down at Chileno. That plays a big part. Outside of top golf, I've never touched a golf club in my life. I've just never caught the bug a lot of my brothers have. If I worked with you, how long would it take me to be better than this guy? It depends. I think if we get a few cocktails in us, I could get you going pretty quick. But I think if, if we're out there grinding in me, that's the thing. It's just like every time I try to help an athlete, like it doesn't matter if it's Tony or like, you know, like a couple of guys that are baseball players that work out at the same gym that I'm at. And like we start talking golf swing. It's like the obsession of like, I have to be better right now. And it's so frustrating because golf is like, it's just like, yeah, it's like, you can't perfect it. You're going to hit bad shots that are going to end up really good. And you're going to hit really good shots that are going to end up bad. And like, it's not, it's not, there's not a straight correlation to like success. And so like, it might be a natural. I think it's a good one. It might be a natural. Yeah. It's, it just takes like the one good shot or like the one good round. And it's like, I always loved where it's like people talk about how they're so excited to get to the first tee. And then they're like, the 17 holes are like, I hate this. Why am I doing this? This is so stupid. And then they hit one good shot on 18. They're like, I can't wait to come back tomorrow. It's amazing. We'll all be watching. You love the masters. Yeah. Love it. Good luck. All right. Good luck. Thanks man. Thanks y'all. We'll be back. My goal is to get all of us on a golf course before it's all said and done. Tomorrow, we got Ryan Recillo. Oh, old friend. Haven't seen that dude in a minute. So we're going to have him on tomorrow. We got hoops tonight. Gentlemen, enjoy your evening. You do the same. Start your engines. I don't know why I'm holding my laptop. Run it up. They run it back. Run it.