 This is to kick it off. We put together this little video. We hope you like it. So we wanted to hold out until the very beginning to show that off. Now we're going to put it on the network. We're going to put it on the big screen and we're putting together a couple of AV stuff packages so everybody can see it. So hey, welcome to the new hotel. What do you guys think? An improvement? You think? I think this room is pretty pimpacular. I don't know what to make of this. So we've got a new hotel. We've got a new network with 100 megabits. We've got new badge, new badge contests. We went away from electronic this year to the titanium. And you'll notice it turns out that this is basically a key to a whole bunch of contests that are running right now that's tied into posters and the program and art and shirts and things on the network. And we even have secret agents mixed in among you that have clues that you might have to end up interacting with. We've got all kinds of cool shit going on. And the theme of spy versus spy is what it's all about. So you might actually have to observe sort of a dead drop. You might have to observe people interacting. You might have to sneak up to somebody and pass them a note and they'll get some information back to you. So it's pretty cool. But I'm going to let Lost sprinkle some more clues in during his talk. There's over 50 mini games and contests going on right now. And we've got the most contests ever. Also for the first time I've always wanted to bring a server and plug it into the network and just give away all the media stuff that we've done over the years. All the past talks and presentations are online now. So I know you guys are going to DOS it and it's going to get horribly wrecked and polluted. But and I did something foolish. I accidentally left the upload feature turned on. So if you guys want to upload anything I, you know, I don't know what happened. And that's it. The address 10.0.0.32 port 7000. And just, you know, have fun with that. And then I just got noticed that a dead addict happened to put up a server at wares.defcon.org spelled with a Z, W-A-R-E-Z dot defcon.org. He's got 1.5 terabytes of stuff. And so it's pretty cool. We're making the most out of our new network here. So what's really going on here is this is all a giant build up for Defcon 20, the 20th anniversary of Defcon next year. So we're trying out a lot of stuff this year to beta test it. And if it breaks we want it to break this year so we can fix it for next year. Because next year we're going to go just completely off the hook. And what do you think we could do with a stage like this? You realize Jeff just asked you to break things. Yeah. So we're on a build up for Defcon 20 and we've got a lot of really cool stuff we're going to do. So don't be surprised if some of the stuff you come across this year is really going to be tied into next year. Maybe some of the clues you find this year are on a build up to help solve problems for next year. So we're really tying it into a whole lot of things and making it very integrated. Okay so I'm not going to keep talking. I'm going to pass it off to Lost. He had a great time designing the badge this year to take a break ha ha ha from doing the mystery challenge which he announced yesterday is coming back for the 20th anniversary for 20 teams next year. This year I have I have 10 spots for my tamper evident context and next year it's the third year we're doing it. So next year we'll get to the maximum hardness level. We started easy medium next year will be hard and we'll have 20 teams next year. So you can see this reoccurring theme. So there will be plenty of ways for you guys to get involved next year. Okay I'm going to pass it off to man the legend the man that needs no introduction Mr. Lost. You guys are like way too quiet. Come on make make a little more noise. So I hope everyone's been having fun thus far wow that spot is really bright. I can't like see anything. It's like when Billy Joel was yelling it. Don't like the audience anyway. So hi I'm Ryan. I'm Lost. I was very flattered when Jeff asked me to go ahead and do the badges this year. Joe Grand is a good friend of mine and we've had many professional interactions as well as interactions through DEF CON and things like that. But I have a little bit of a paradox is that we have this welcome to DEF CON intro talk where I'm supposed to talk about the badges that are concurrently running in a contest. So I've got clues and information that I really want to tell you but I can't be blatant about it and since we are doing the spy versus spy theme I figured why not we do this like a professional briefing and I'll just redact stuff. So I consider all of you to have exercised your rights and doing freedom of information act and requesting information from me and I have taken the liberty of redacting certain things throughout this talk. So you may or may not be able to glean more information and hints as we go through information and please don't be stone quiet. Make a little noise for real. Come on. That's it. Because this is DEF CON and you guys like even at DEF CON 101 the noobs were like. All right. So DC set the stage for me this year saying let's do something different. Let's evolve. Let's progress. When we started doing the electronic badges they weren't anywhere. Now they're everywhere. You go to a security conference, you go to other conferences. Everybody's got electronic badges now. The BADGE contest last year had approximately 30 official entries or so. How many people have you guys seen in the hallways working on the crypto thus far this year? A lot, right? How many of you personally have done at least something involving the badges? Make some noise. So that right there I consider a success. How many of you have had fun doing that thus far? And how many of you want my head on a stick? So we decided to go with some exotic material and I said you know Jeff what about wood? What about titanium? At one point I was like if we can get our hands on aerogel what could we do with it? So my metal supply we've actually are on our second production group. Our first group actually gave us a quote and during the time between he gave us a quote per badge production cost and the time we actually went and had a contract with them the price of titanium had gone up in the country. And the amount of titanium in the whole country went down. Yeah and so the guy actually backed out of the contract said I just can't do it. I can't do it though. So I had to go and hunt and find a new guy. And the new guy called around and we actually for DEF CON have purchased pretty much with give or take a little bit all of the existing stock titanium that's in big flat sheets in the entire country. And not that I'm telling you all to invest but I think we may have DEF CON have affected the stock the market price of titanium in the United States. We actually wanted to make more badges than we had this year because I've heard we've sold out already. Is that true? That we're already out? We actually wanted to make more. We couldn't get any more raw material to make more. We literally and we've made thousands more badges this year than last year and we couldn't get any more stock. So we did the best we could for you guys. Are we releasing that number? Total quantity is over 10,000. Over 9,000. No it is over 10,000 badges this year. So a non-electronics badge equals a metagame that anyone can play. For those of you who haven't been paying attention or have been like in a hole or something, there are stages to this contest and each stage has multiple varying degrees of difficulty. Everything goes from easy to medium to oh my God how did they solve that because I never would have gotten that. And I have seen people out there who have already picked up on some things that I never in a million years would have thought anybody would have gotten just in a conference like over a space of a couple days. You guys impress me every year. Give yourselves a hand because you guys are awesome. So I thought I would share with you some of the process I went through in developing just the badges themselves which may glean some information for you guys. Be kind of fun. So I decided to give you guys my design sketches. So this was one of the original design sketches which was going to do a number and a cut out and you see it was going to be a three inch circle and we had the little nub at the top. Consequently the prototype badge that sold last night at the summit sold for $450. I think is the person who bought it in here actually. So anyway. So a big hand for the summit and raising money for EFF guys. Seriously. So there's only two of those and DT will have the other ones. So you guys have bought that. You have like the secret pass. So this is an evolution of the design drawing. This was a way to version 1.0 and 2.0. I actually decided to remove the little nub at the top because I thought it was more aesthetically pleasing to go to the circle. And I removed the deaf context because it just seemed the whole elegant simple is better. I'm an engineer and a mathematician. I'm not an artist. But I wanted like a clean pure look to it and it's supposed to give the feeling of an old artifact or relic that's been passed through time. Hence the artificial antiquing that we did to the titanium which was not easy. So here's another design sketch. I don't know if you can read the text at the bottom there. It says hippie crap. That's a little bit of a redaction there. So the contest badge, I had to give props to my people. So my deaf con roots really come from the contest area. My very first deaf con, I actually competed in a contest and from that point forward I've either run or been in a contest every single year. So you'll notice the giant pyramid logo on the floor when you walk into the conference. The contest badges are the only ones that are the same shape as that is kind of an homage to my people. So the press, the speaker and the vendor badges were given a deliberate shape so that the goons could easily identify humans from other types of badges from a distance. That's why those are the same shape. Or one of the reasons anyway. The goon badge and you can see my wonderful artistic skills up there that amorphous blob. So these are some of my design notes for the goon badge. I really wanted the goons to feel, you know, Walker Texas Ranger-y. Because they're going to be like in and amongst, like there's always this big thing about federal law enforcement versus like the local guys and the local cowboys and stuff like that. So we wanted to kind of get that feeling in there for the game. So these are the concept sketches for the uber badge. Now this is what they actually look like and I've got a picture that I'll put up in a minute. So these are just me like farting around going, you know, what are we going to make these look like? And I have an interesting anecdote from Jeff. So this is the original CAD drawings I did as a just a preliminary sketch just to see if they'd work. And the design at the very top is what the prototype badge looked like with the nub and the key and the wrench. But I thought it was too reminiscent of the stuff that I did for Mystery Challenge and I really didn't want this to be Mystery Challenge. I wanted it to be a new, completely separate thing. So there you can see some of those prototypes laying on a book with maybe a little bit of a hint there behind it. So we're just going to go buy that one really fast. No, that was on purpose. So that's what the prototype badge looked like when we first got it, this pre-anteaking where I was trying to score it. You can see on the right side, the scratch marks. That's me sitting there with a, I've got a pen that's got a steel tip and I'm sitting there scratching. I was like, this is titanium and I'm scratching it with steel. This is not working too well. This is a fun story. So I called up Jeff and we had this because we had moved to our second manufacturer and they're a smaller shop, which is probably why they took on the job. And I don't think they'd ever done a job of this magnitude. We can't do this magnitude, sorry. So I called up Jeff and I was like, Jeff, they're saying that we can't pay them via a particular means. They want a wire transfer, which is unusual for what Jeff is used to dealing with. And I was like, can we do that? And he's like, sure, you just got to get me so I call up the guy and he sends me all of their bank information and how to do the wire transfer and I got it in an email. So I called Jeff and I hadn't really read through it. And I'm on the phone with Jeff and he's like, okay, I'm going to give you the information of their accounts. And I'm sitting there and I start reading the account number in the middle of the account number is a 1057. In a minute I said, so Jeff, your account is blah, blah, blah 1057. He goes, wait, wait a second, wait a second. Is this going into one of your covert accounts or something? And I hadn't even noticed that 1057 was in there. For those of you who don't know, 1057 hacker handles. So anyway, that was a really funny moment for me. I was like, man, just going to think I'm trying to scam him or something. So for the fabrication process, we did a number of things to try and do this antique look on the titanium. And the first thing we did was we tried to oxidize them. We put them in a kiln. And the first time we did about 900 degrees Fahrenheit. And they came out with these really interesting colors. We didn't do any gases or anything. Just put the straight material in. And they oxidized and got some really, this is pre-oxidation. They got some really interesting colors to them, but the titanium is so damn hard that the oxidation actually wiped off of them. So we built these, we built these little rigs here to hang them on. So in between every badge is a little washer as a spacer. And we put them on these rods and then these, this whole thing got shoved inside, inside like the oven. And you can see them hanging there. We couldn't figure out how to get that oxidation to take and I started doing more research on it and I'm not a metal fabrication person. But apparently if you flood different gases into the kiln when you're firing these things, they'll take on different colors and things like that. But we found if we scored the badges by putting them in a tumbler with really coarse material that would scratch the hell out of the front of the badge, it not only antiqued for them, but it also de-burred better. But it also took the color better. So there's some like mid-bake, we open the oven to, you can see they're kind of changing color a little bit. So there's some of the contest badges hanging there. So when you can see on the top two, those haven't been run through. The one in the middle is been through for about five minutes. And then the color on the bottom one is a deeper purple that I kind of liked. That's almost an hour in a thousand degrees Fahrenheit. So there's a shot of the goon badges as we're doing production. We just, we kept them in stacks. Some of you may actually have artifacting on your badge from where those little washers were in between the badges. I thought it looked kind of cool, so we left it. I was really going for this antique look. Again, some humans, some of you may or may not have all of the numbers yet, hint, hint. What was that? I couldn't hear you. Heavy handed, right? There may or may not be any of the numbers yet, but it's there with some numbers on them. Okay, we'll go to the next slide. So in the middle of production is also when I started doing the blue hair thing, and this is like in the middle of dyeing my hair. This is like after the peroxide, so. You're trying to match your hair to the badge? Somebody asked me that actually. I was like, I wasn't intending to go blue and wanted to match the 1057 badge that you see here on the left, and it didn't work. I hear cameras snapping. That's why I'm pausing for a minute there. So, the real rub, the math and the crypto. So I'm going to go through some of these a little faster and some a little slower, because some of them are blatant hints, and I don't want to dwell on them, so if you want to get out your cameras right now, it's time to do it. Okay, you've been warned. So this is a spreadsheet of some of my preliminary research that I've done. When I started trying to figure out what I did with the math and the crypto, this is just, this is how I sketch and doodle in my head. This is what I do. This kind of thing. I sit down with an excel spreadsheet, and I'm like, let's do this, let's do this. Here's another one. I did leave the note at the bottom that said note, this assumes, and then, yeah, you can see, redacted. I think I left the name of the file at the top, though. Oh wait, hint. Again, another redaction. Of this, because, you know, I thought that would be fun to let you see that. Any math people in the audience? Yeah, so you get used to the whole N in A of N. So anybody recognize these numbers? Yeah, this is the original spreadsheet I did of the ring. It is the code wheel out in the middle of the floor. Yeah, the crypto wheel. Yeah. So Neo plus lost plus late night video Skype equals the awesome wheel of Defcon. So I don't know, those of you who know Neo, Neo actually works for Defcon and does amazing art and has helped me immensely, and I can't give him props more. He spent many, many nights late till 3, 4 in the morning on video Skype with me. In fact, Nikita, his wife, has now accused us of having a bromance because of this. So, okay. And I redacted some of these a while ago, so I can't even remember what I put on there. So the blank with numbers for blah, blah, blah. There are only blah numbers. I just hear all the cameras snapping. So I get this panicked call from Jeff one night. And apparently someone had leaked a picture of one of the Goon badges which was this device. It turns out that the guy was a friend of Joe's that they were just trying to punk me a little bit. But nobody, none of the rest of the staff or anybody knew that at the time. So Jeff's like, did something leak? Did you give out pictures that I didn't know about? And I said no, Jeff, I swear I didn't get pictures out to anybody. So I go online and I look at this and I was like, it's total bullshit. And then being the very kind... Next thing we're like, well then what the fuck is it? Yeah. So yeah, Jeff's like, do you know what it is? And I was like, it looks like some type of optic thing with like alignment. Yeah. Like maybe a survey or tool or something. But the best part, because Jeff is such a kind... What is it? Because the contest is so easy, right? So Jeff being the kind and generous loving person that he is I said, Jeff, do you want me to like go online and like smack this down? He's like, no let's let him think it's real. I was like, okay. So we've actually hired our own personal DEFCON spy. So I want to give him a professional credit. This is Johnny Mack. He actually has an IMDB entry under John McPhalan. He's a professional actor as well as an engineer and a good friend of mine. He is also an applications engineer formerly for parallax and now for a company called Tech. And he also works professionally in Hollywood doing special effects stuff for all kinds of people like Steve Wang who did the original predator and stuff like that. So not only does he have awesome credit as an engineer and an actor, but now he has awesome credit of being a hired DEFCON spy. And some of you may have seen him in and throughout the conference. I'm greatly appreciative that I could get him to come. He actually came out with a lot of money and is donating his time to help make the conference good for us. So consequently he also writes a column for nuts and bolts magazine every month and will be teaching a class in the hardware hacking village. So it's a good opportunity if you want to come in there and learn some stuff. So I will give a one design hint or fun thing that we tried to do. You will notice on your lanyards if you stare that the binary is written in such a way that it is just out of view of yourself. So if you look down at your own lanyard you almost forget that there's any binary or crypto on there. Because everything in the contest this year is designed to make you interact with other people and talk to other people and meet other people, make new friends make new connections. So that was a very deliberate design choice to have you go hey I have this cool bench and I see Neil's awesome silhouette drawings but you don't notice and I know a number of people have been working on other parts of the contest but haven't even realized oh wait a minute there's actually binary on there. And so this is going to sound weird but what I'm about to say is a hint. You'll notice there is a 7 in there which is the first thing Major Malfunction said to me when he saw my lanyard he goes he comes up to me and I don't know how many of you know Major he has the great British accent he goes fucking lost. He goes there's a 7 on there and I said yes that's because I'm narcissistic. So you may have noticed in your program there's a few odds and ends and things that may look out of place and things that may look interesting. Any Chinese speakers out in the audience? Yeah. One. Yet how many of you are learning Chinese characters now? So my question is oh here's a better question. How many of you this conference have learned at least one thing you didn't know in the process of studying for this badge contest? Yeah. So again my job here is done. You may have noticed some other interesting tidbits that right there is the very first concept sketch I did on graph paper you can kind of see the blue lines on there of the eye that is on the badge and I scanned it and put it on and nice little quote there at the bottom please above all have fun. When I ran Mystery Challenge it was designed by design to have a 50% failure rate. I wanted 50% of my teams that were in Mystery Challenge every year to pass and it would be hard enough that 50% never made it through. The badge contest is not designed for failure. It's designed for fun and interaction. How many of you are familiar with the concept of Occam's razor? Yeah. Some of you didn't shave very closely this morning with Occam's razor. This is not the Mystery Challenge it's designed to be fun. There will be hints that will start today. Today is the official kickoff of Def Con that's why not really a whole lot was given out yesterday. We have a Twitter feed which is the 1057 Twitter feed that I will probably every two hours throw something out there. I've been walking the floor trying to gauge where everybody's at and will act accordingly. That's one of the benefits also I have of having a live actor here that can make the game fun but also gives me a human whiteboard if you will to help pass hints to you guys in a manner that's enjoyable. So if you find yourself getting to the point where you're getting pissed off or angry because you are frustrated because damn it I can't figure out what the hell this means. Talk to some other people talk to me. It's not designed to frustrate this year. Mystery Challenge is occasionally designed to frustrate this is not. I will tell you that I am giving style points this year to people who find any of my various Easter eggs and Jeff is aware of several of them. I told Jeff if anyone gets this particular egg we should freaking give him either free DEF CON next year or something because it would be just amazing. Speaking of amazing is the guy that got his badge tattooed on him here. Are you here? I can't see because of the lights. Is he here? So last night at the summit this guy comes up to me and he goes dude I got my badge tattooed on my arm and I was like no you didn't. He pulls up his sleeve and it's like he takes his badge and lays it and it is an exact match of his badge on his arm. I was like holy shit dude I was like you did not do that. He's like yes I did. I was like wow somebody has that forever. We do have a picture of it but I didn't have my camera and I will get it online. So you may have noticed on the DVD there's a link to some places to download some of my content that we didn't get onto the DVD in time because I'm a jerk and didn't get it to Neil in time. I will get that picture and throw it up there so if anybody wants to see the guy that got the badge. Consequently and I didn't know this until we were walking with Neil this morning the same guy got Defcon Art tattooed on him last year higher up on his arm the Art of Eddie Mies those of you know who Eddie. And so apparently and what I'm surmising is that the dude is getting like a Defcon tattoo once every year and so it's kind of a flattering thing for Jeff. We have to come up with either a really cool or a really crappy badge for next year for him. So yeah I was just I was floored with the fact that this guy had tattooed the badge on him. I'm not quite sure what I think about that. I'm flattered but please meet some new friends. You may have noticed I believe for the first time Jeff the human badges are not all the same. That was done deliberately to make you go out seek other people talk to other people have fun and now you're not quite sure how many total badges there are so what are you doing instead of doing this when you walk down the hallways you're looking at each other's badges and I know the guys are staring at the girls chest too it's kind of an excuse but but no it was designed to have you looking at other people's badges so that you're at least presenting yourself as in a nice social way to some other people. So you all inspire me the stuff that I do I don't know why everyone enjoys it I'm not being humble or modest or anything I really like wow they really like the stuff and apparently they do because they kept coming back from mystery challenge Jeff has graciously agreed and we're going to bring that mystery challenge one last time I swear it will be the last time for DEF CON 20 Do you think he's like an addict he's like a puzzle addict yeah do I have how many mystery challenge veterans are in the audience right now how many are repeat offenders yeah how many of you guys after doing the badge contest this year are going to try and take out one of my mystery challenge slots next year yeah alright there you go so I'm officially announcing as Jeff said 20 team slots available we're going to start the prequel round which is going to be multiple staged almost six months prior to DEF CON so it's going to be I have to turn away so many teams every year that it's going to be a little more fierce in terms of the competition for getting in for next year I will extend a golden ticket freebie pass to whoever the first group or persons who solves the badge this year the choice of having that entrance into mystery challenge for next year so that's all I have for you guys so we have some QA do we have time so I left some time for some QA can you take the house lights down a little bit because I really can't see any of them and I would like to see the people can we take the house lights down or the spots there that's better so let's do a little QA do you guys have any questions about the badge oh by the way I do believe this is the first year that the badge itself weighs less than the lanyard yeah is this presentation posted anywhere no but I can put it up on that same DEF CON that same location we can put it on the DEF CON file server I'll put it on the DEF CON file server as well as I mentioned earlier the 10.0.0.32 you guys want the redacted version they want to run the anti redaction tools see what you guys can get see with photoshop multi level pdf please this image was altered using the gimp questions no seriously you guys have to have some questions yeah why DEF CON on the goon badges are not anywhere else I did that because how do I answer that without the human badges are designed to be something that was a relic of the past that were passed forward as a means of covert communication the goon badges are supposed to be like a law enforcement symbol and honestly it was kind of props also to the goons for the hard work that they do and I liked the aesthetics and I had DEF CON on the other badges you saw those in my prototypes I just liked the clean nice look I mean I study Asian languages and when you learn Chinese calligraphy you treat the character like a fish in a fishbowl and it's got to have enough water to breathe so to speak in terms of the spacing to make it aesthetically pleasing so it's kind of going for that clean simple not only that but in terms of the puzzle I wanted the badge to look as simple as possible so that you will dismiss other things just out of hand because it's so clean and simple these other things can't possibly be complicated or used for anything so it was also a means of deception to be blunt anyone else? you are great at social engineering sir he said he said that his badge has a defect a little notch on the side yeah you must have a broken one I don't know I yeah your badge doesn't have a notch I I so here's the question you would have to find that guy and see if your numbers match right oh yes in the very back at DEF CON or before how many hours of sleep do I get on an average this is not a joke my average amount of sleep is about four hours of night and for about two months up to DEF CON every year Mr. Challenge badge everything it goes down to about three hours of night not a joke he's a robot poor Neil is like dude I'm going to bed when we're on Skype no we gotta do this the poor guy he has to do all the stuff for Jeff and I'm sitting there injecting into his workflow stuff I do is like like quadruples his work because you know he's he did the program layout I was like I got stuff for you and he's like oh crap like what and I was like okay so I've got these little graphics can we just throw them on pages and he's like yeah how many and I was like oh it's you know it's quite a few and it's not all of them so he has been just amazing at putting up with the strange requests oftentimes not even knowing why I'm asking things and he occasionally would inadvertently break something in terms of what I was trying to do with being like stealthy but other times he actually would come up with some stuff that would help fix and make things better so questions when you are a couple more yes let's ask the crowd does the position of the defect have any significance really are you sure I still don't know of these defects you guys are talking about I think the badges are perfect couple more couple more quick okay go for it me myself or participants the question is did I set up the contest so that I myself did not have to do anything actively at the con that's a good question for those of you who don't know every time you do something this complicated something inevitably will be broken misaligned moved you have hotel staff involved other people who don't know what things are set up for particular reason alignments angles whatever I am constantly having to run around and check things just to make sure everything is running smoothly not only that you throw on top of that that you got all you guys out there running around screwing with stuff and stuff gets moved and altered and honestly this is a hacker con I've seen people I've seen people do denial of service stuff to other people in contest before and I fully expect to see that kind of thing happen as well so tell about the signage oh so by this point you most of you if not all of you have noticed on the leaderboards there's some numbers at the bottom so when I first got here those were shoved down in those metal clippy things and they were shoved down so far that those numbers were all hidden and I went to Neil and I was like at first I just thought they weren't there I was like dude you promised me those numbers were gonna be on those signs they have to be on those signs and he goes they're there and I was like no they're not so we went over to the sign we lifted it out and sure enough they were there and no one had told us that those holders actually covered part of the numbers so we walked down the hall and the one that's about midway down the main hallway only half of the numbers were cut off so you know it's two lines and I was like dude leave it I was like there will be a single line they'll get through half of it and be like what the hell you know and I was like so it'll force them to screw with the signs and that's when all the rest of the goods are like no we don't want them screwing with the signs so they actually I think they put little wedges underneath lift those up and on some of them I think you still can't see the numbers is that correct at the last last I checked yeah also I've had the security goon say please do not sit in the hallway while you're trying he's like I don't mind you sit in there copying the numbers down but please don't sit in the hallway to actually try and work on the crypto so I guess we had people blocking the hallway the other interesting thing is when we first came to the hotel and we saw that huge rotunda right at the very entrance and I saw the big circle in the dome it's like something is going here we don't know what's going here but something is going here and so it's interesting to watch people really step on the artwork yeah it's like kind of reverent like ooh I don't know and how many of you have stood in the middle the very center and like done the whole echo effects like yeah if you haven't done that yet do it at least once before you go go stand in the very very center and it's up and down the hallways yeah anywhere there's those domes and like and some of them are like whisper domes where you can whisper to somebody who's really far because it will actually project the sound they're kind of neat I'm thinking you're having a secret conversation like maybe two more questions anything like super awesome I'm sorry did I break the Kino board I would like to tell the staff of the Rio that I have not affected the conference hall in any way whatsoever can I admit to having a desire to hack the Kino board of course anyone else oh the DEF CON 101 signs I will release publicly there was nothing on the DEF CON 101 signs that you would need okay last question and then we're out of here guys okay I've got a couple of announcements you should never believe anything I say yeah okay I have two con related announcements one is for some reason I think maybe your fault Hacker Jeopardy didn't get mentioned in the program because Neil was busy so yes Hacker Jeopardy is happening this year as usual and same bat time same bat place sort of as last year and it'll be on all the DEF CON updates and it's happening before after the 10,000 cent pyramid so if you find your way into the 10,000 cent pyramid room after that it becomes Hacker Jeopardy and it's the same thing it's on a build up for DEF CON 20 so they're trying out some stuff this year extra double plus plus crazy and the other thing there's due to logistical issues the Q&A rooms each one of these sessions has a corresponding Q&A room so a lot of times the speakers if they have a lot of questions will go to these Q&A rooms and then you can spend an extra 50 minutes hanging out more of one on one with the speakers those Q&A rooms are on your program but they've had to change so they still exist they're not exactly in the same order they were so we'll be updating the signage and the hallways and everything just so you know they've changed and it's not a misprint it's just that they had to change today for technical reasons so that's it we're going to wander around try to misdirect you and have a really rocking time so you guys like the badges really? yeah do you want to drop any hints about what to expect for next year so Jeff keeps alluding to this big build up for DEF CON 20 there are pieces of this contest that will carry through until next year and you might have to do stuff in the time in between so we're trying to it may fail miserably the whole I'm going to show up on reddit with your doing it wrong printed across my face or something how many reddit folks out there yeah so have fun please don't get to the point where you hate me enough to actually do me physical harm come talk to me it's meant to be fun it's not meant to be so painful that you're like fuck I don't know what to do next ok thanks a lot everyone