 So it's congruency. I mean you're living the John Anthony lifestyle is what you're teaching and I think that's a big big deal in the Manusphere right now because you are a voice against the frauds of the Manusphere Yeah, and that's what I want to talk you about now. So tell me about what you do and how you defend yourself and expose Frauds in the Manusphere. Yeah, so I take this game not like very seriously to the point of like, you know This we everything, you know, like in a formal way It's more of I devoted my life to optimizing this for better or worse You know, it's I really enjoyed the process as a fun, you know a lot of fun research so to speak but When you have all these guys coming out of the scene I very quickly can spot when I watch one of their videos Or how they're carrying themselves that they're full of shit or you know, most these guys show no receipts They show zero pictures with girls. I made a video about kind of the ugly girlfriends and wives of these coaches And some people thought that was tasteless But you wouldn't go for make money advice to a guy that's homeless and showing his bank account That's you know got a hundred bucks in it and say hey now listen to how I can tell you how to make money because he's not Living that that life. So when I made that video about the girlfriends and the wives a lot of those dating gurus Girlfriends and wives are objectively below average looking right where a lot of guys would rate them like a three or four For instance, and it's not like that's the only worth woman has but if the guy is a world-class dating guru He should have at least an above average looking girl, right? So for me personally I've over the past ten years I've had as a standard for any girlfriend or main girl on the rotation that she has to be above a nine looks and she also has to Meet a whole bunch of other criteria internally, but at least as a minimum looks wise She should be above a nine and these guys can't do that a lot of them actively Preach that hot girls aren't even worth dating and they're all terrible And it's because they can't get hot girls and they actually get get snubbed by those girls And then so what that what's happening is you have the vast majority I feel these coaches That are not real experts pushing systems that don't work pushing a lot of abstract theoretical nonsense and it's causing guys to waste endless amounts of time effort and money and Some of these whole movements are just extremely toxic and kind of productive like for instance like the red pill stuff It's teaching guys to be hateful and resentful and confrontational towards women I talk to these guys on the phone every week and they say hey man like in the pickup world They they're trying to get a strategy to get to get the girls But the but they're just kind of getting put on a hamster wheel and a lot of these You know unfortunately a lot of these companies are just trying to extract as much money as possible And so I've kind of dug behind the scenes with a lot of these operations And I've exposed the fact that they're purposely trying to mislead guys and purposely overwhelm and confuse them So that they come back to that company for more solutions and quotes Which is more confusion and more problems for the upsells and for the other new products And so I'm a huge I mean you know coming from a very shy, introverted place And I don't need the money in doing this coaching I'm so I'm kind of on the side of all the of all the little guys that are getting taken advantage of Because I was in their shoes I was worse off than a lot of those guys and I know the pain very very real of What it's like to not be able to get girls and not think you have any kind of chance and that kind of stuff And so when I talk to these guys on the phone They're saying hey, I went to the pickup strategy. It didn't help You know because those guys just put them on the hamster wheel and they went to the red pill stuff And now they're very confrontational resentful against women and then eventually they start blaming themselves They turned to like the black pill stuff and they said hey, I'm not a model-looking guy I'm not a Chad therefore, you know, there's no chance and I can't get any of these girls and I try to set the record straight that the vast majority of the equation is game You should still you know try to maximize your sexual market value You should still work on what you bring to the table as a man You should still work on your style and all the stuff your your hygiene But you need to learn how to text you need to learn how to do a cold approach how to move things forward how to care yourself this and that and So I've uncovered at least like 50 different companies Kind of being full of shit. I was I was one of the first guys to call out fresh and fit They went from zero subscribers to four hundred something K in about six months And I just saw right away. These guys don't want they're talking about dig behind the scenes They're faking press releases. They're faking stats, you know And then kind of aberrant preach came along a bigger channel and started, you know Putting a magnifying glass and then the whole rest the internet got behind them because they're a bigger channel But I try to provide that What you know, not just with fresh and fit with all these other companies as well And I know all these companies. Oh, I'm worried about he's gonna attack me if they're not full of shit I'm not gonna attack them. I'm not just attacking guys. There's some misconceptions that I just do it To be a hater because I'm jealous or because they have bigger channels But channel size doesn't correlate to the quality of the vice a lot of the biggest channels I know for a fact the guys are just full-blown scammers or they don't have any many real skills They have very minimal skills in the game, but they have maybe almost a million subs in some cases So yeah kind of to address your point. I think The average guy that's looking for help on this gets roped into all these Bad paths of companies that are just trying to take advantage of him and he doesn't know any better And it's hard to make sense. There's no Quality control in terms of who has legitimate information people just kind of assume that they know what they're talking about because they have a following and they have a channel and And I used to think like that too back in the beginning I would read some of these internet marker newsletters and just by virtue of them acting like they know they're talking about you Just assume it's you know, you just take them on their word But when you kind of go behind the scenes What what ends up being the case is that the vast majority of this stuff is very bad So the common guy is like really up against a lot of opposition He you know, he doesn't know what to do and when he goes to look for help There's a whole bunch of people that are trying to screw him over And I feel like not many guys are willing I don't really know any other guys that are willing to call these guys out by name and kind of in a very aggressive way like I do And I kind of go kind of you know scorched earth for any for any these for anybody watching and see my videos I Get pretty angry and riled up when I'm making them I get pretty You know making the points emphatically swearing a lot in this and that because it's it's a fucked up thing to be you know perpetuating all this pain and guys and in lots of cases making it worse and And these guys are wasting their lives away following these these fake gurus So I feel like they're you know, there's so many more guys that need to be addressed But it's in my channel is only you know, I've only got about 30k subs So it's just starting to scratch the surface, but you know Anthony Johnson has been reposting a lot of my more popular ones and People are starting to realize that a lot of these heroes that they had are kind of full of hot air and but it's Refreshing because I see in the comments Guys will be saying like hey, man, you're really healing a lot of stuff a lot healing a lot of damage I was really down to myself. I was suicidal. I was very depressed I was ready to give up and you're really like shining a lot of truth here and my message is Twofold it's a lot of the guys that you're going to for advice, you know That's a big mistake and they're not real experts and by the way There's a real system that you can learn very quickly and you don't need months or years You just need to be plugged into the optimized Set of moves and set of mindsets and stuff like that and the results will come in a matter of like a week or two So when you do this Expose a exposure will call it. You're actually helping guys. Yeah, you're kind of pulling them out of that hamster Yeah, and I take a lot of backlash for it. I get death threats over email I get false copyright strikes and different attacks on my channel I've been down to like two strikes a few different times where I've had to like kind of damage control and private A lot of the more controversial videos until the 90 days clears with the strikes and so I'm risking my channel Risking lawsuits potentially. I'm never I'm trying not to ever say slander I'm just basing stuff based on real facts But you know that people are these guys try to protect their scam operations And so they'll come in and what we've uncovered is people are just mass putting slander about me on on Reddit and in their modern life dating is an example where he went and made three Two hour long videos with massive slander, so I have an active lawsuit against him for defamation And you know, but I've taken lots I've taken hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of damages to the business this year just because of all the backlash That comes with taking these guys head on And so that's kind of like the collateral damage of all this that I just have to kind of eat personally and all the You know when I attack fresh and fit for about six months Everyone's saying you're a hater. You're a hater You're a fucking clock chaser this and that and then they all came back and said all you were right You know in this video age like fine wine, so people kind of change their tune But people are just going with mainstream opinion. Anyways, you know, they're not listening to rational arguments too much They just see this is entertaining and this and that so I'm gonna buy into that. But yeah, it's it's not an easy road To travel and also I've made a lot of enemies and stuff like that and in a lot of these companies They're they're pretty big operations and I'm taking you know money out of their pockets I've tried to organize class action lawsuits in some cases where these guys have really scammed on a massive scale and Still here No, that's good. That's good. I mean you're persistent in what you do So I want to go back now to 21. Okay, and ask you again. It's your first time here. Yeah, and how do men Benefit from 21 convention as you can see as a new speaker Yeah, what's really cool is there's just a whole diverse set of opinions Like I have my whole set of views on dating that there's a lot of different guys from different walks of life fitness guys psychologists Everybody brings something different to the table and what I really like is there's not any kind of bias or judgment It's just an open platform Anthony says that best himself. He says I'm just giving guys a platform to get out their message We're not saying he's right and this guy's wrong or this guy's message is more important or this or that It's kind of everybody's kind of on an equal playing field And that's up to the viewer to listen to what people have to say and see how it jives with their own personal philosophies And and what makes sense and what they can garnish from that. So I like that. It's a diverse set of Kind of opinions rather than than a biased narrative because I think you know, there's too much. There's too much of like this Single narrative like with the news with people are just exposed to like here's the here's the message Here's how things are so when you have an open platform event like this It's great for everybody to network as well, but you're getting a lot of diverse messages out into the You know the ethos there and it's really putting out a lot of Opinions that might not have been popular but have good arguments behind them And then these videos become very popular and then so it's a great way to get your message out Without having to play the political game and this and that But now as a speaker in the first time here, what did you get from 21 yourself?