 Today I'm delighted to be able to tell you that I'm going to be joined by Lord Alth Dubs, a British Labour politician and former member of Parliament. Lord Dubs sits in the House of Lords where he is a fierce and staunch advocate for the rights of refugees, in particular child refugees. Lord Dubs himself is a refugee. He arrived to the UK in 1939 on the Kinder Transport with other Jewish children who were fleeing the Holocaust. Is there anything you know now that you wish you'd known when you arrived to the UK? All in all I was very lucky, I had some bad moments but I was very lucky. Now the only thing is I held back on things because I felt that as a refugee who came in at the age of six maybe there were certain doors that wouldn't be open to me and after persuasion by friends of mine I was told just to go ahead. I thought about going into politics for example. I was a bit too conscious as a refugee what chance would I have and I think that was wrong. I think it was better to go ahead and have a go at things. What's your assessment of the current state of the UK's refugee system? I think unfortunately refugees as in other parts of Europe have become a political football. We have to look at refugees as being human beings who happen by an accident of history to have found themselves in war zones, who have found themselves victims of persecution and indeed in the future victims of climate change as well and people will want to move to safety and to have better lives and I think we have to have decent policies both as regards refugees. People want safety and decent life as well as we have to look into the wider world that people will be on the move and we have to be accepting of them and we have to make sure that people who get this country are given a sense of welcome. Do you think you'd have been welcomed as a child refugee today? I think once I'd got here I might have been welcome but I think getting here might have been quite a difficult process. I might have been stuck in Calais unless I'd be willing to take a chance on the back of a lorry on a dinghy. What would you say to people who claim to be British you have to be born here? All I say to people is I think for all its faults I think this is a terrific country. I wanted everything I can to make it better for everybody and I identified totally with Britain and so I think the important thing is one sense of identity. If one identifies as being British, one identifies as this country, one is well on the way to answering the question as to how one should move forward. But in the end one can't undo the accident of one's birth, one does not choose one's parents, one doesn't choose one's place of birth. These are all accidents of history and it couldn't happen to anybody and I'd say to anybody who says to me well you know you're not British because they were born here and I say well you might have been born somewhere else as well. It's pure luck over which we have no control. My belief is my identity is what it is and that's why I can't be English, I'm British. Do you think people are forgetting the horrors of the Holocaust? I think human memories are short. It's easy to forget. You see I'm old enough to A, no members of my family who died in Auschwitz and other people who either died in the camps or managed to survive them if they went to the end of the war. But it's too easy to forget if you were born long after these things cease to be contemporary news. So I think we have to make sure that these horrible things are kept in people's memories as are more recent horrible things that happen in Rwanda and elsewhere so that we've got to see them as part of the same blight on humanity that's happened with the Holocaust and terrible things that are happening to people in other parts of the world as well more easily. So I think it's very important. Well thank you so much for joining us Lord Doves and I think people are going to learn so much about what we've spoken about here today. Well thank you very much. Thank you for your interest and anything that publicizes campaigning on behalf of child refugees is only for the good. So thank you for doing it and thank you for giving me the chance to say a few things and good luck to you.