 Hello and welcome to NewsClick. Namaskar, Aadab. My name is Paranjoy Guha Thakurtha, I am 63 years old and today I have two young persons with me here in the studio. One of them could be old enough to be my son and one person who calls himself a youth leader, he is only 10 years younger than the President of the Indian National Congress, Rahul Gandhi. Let me welcome and I am very happy to introduce Jignesh Mewani, member of the Legislative Assembly of Gujarat from Vadgam. Vadgam, got that pronunciation right? Yeah, Vadgam. Vadgam, okay. Independent candidate supported by Congress and Aam Admi Party, elected in December 2017. And with us here is N. Sai Balaji. Jignesh is 38, you are 26. You are the current President of the Jawaharlal Nehru University Students Union, right? Yes. Okay. You are a PhD student over there and you represent the left groups. All India Students Association, which is affiliated to the Communist Party of India, Marxist-Leninist. The Students Federation of India, which is affiliated to the CPIM. The DSF, the Democratic Students for Federation, oh my God, I forget. And the Communist Party of India affiliated AISF of the All India Students Federation. I am going to ask both of you two separate sets of questions and then we are going to discuss the role of the youth in today's politics. Jignesh Bhai, you have studied English, then you have been able to become a journalist. You have been able to become an expert journalist. Then you have been a bachelor of law, okay? And suddenly you find yourself in the media attention for all the wrong reasons. First of all, I will ask you the most difficult question. You people say that you helped some Muslim terrorists. What is it? Your picture was drawn. You had someone giving you a cheque. Social Democratic Party of India, which has a political wing, a political wing, a popular front of India. The National Intelligence Agency of the Indian government says that they help the ISI Muslim terrorists. And Times Now said that Jignesh Mewani took money from them. And after you won the elections, you said that you took a donation of 21,000. And you asked the government to ban the PFI. How did this come about? Now tell me, what are the facts? What are the facts? What is PFI? We do not know. Popular front of India. We do not know. There is a political party named SDPI. It is a registered political party. They did not follow the party. They checked my 51,000 income. It is not 1,000 crore. It is not 5,100 crore. It is not 5,110 crore. It is not 1 crore. It is not 1 lakh. It is not 1,000 crore. It is a registered political party. And who put an allegation against us? Amit Anil Chandrashan. Okay. The people of India. The wealth of the people of Chiranjeevi has increased by 16,000. In just three years. He is telling us that he took a donation of 21,000 from Jihadi. So after watching Modi Ji's video, those who are not getting the money, they watch Amit Sir's video clip. So this is Times Now. You must have seen it. Times Now. You must have slept after watching Arnab's show. Okay, okay, okay. This must be it. You must have understood this. He is trying to insult you. Because he is so silly. He does not even want to react. Okay, don't spoil the time. Next. FIR. First information report. Pune Police. With Umar Khalid. With Algarh Parishad. You gave a statement. With Justice P.B. Saband. With Justice Kulse Patil. Who is he? Justice P.B. Saband. Justice Kulse Patil. With Prakash Ambedkar. With Radhika Vemula. With Soni Sore. With Umar Khalid. With Jignesh P.B. With R.U.M. With Umar Khalid branding. With a set of well designed, well defined propaganda. With Umar and Jignesh. With Umar and Jignesh. With Justice P.B. Saband. With Kulse Patil. With Soni Sore. With Radhika Vemula. With Prakash Ambedkar. With my life's most progressive content. With his speech. With the F.I.R. With the F.I.R. What is this written in F.I.R. Where are you from? From between Hindus and Muslims. There was a speech to the Yilgarh Parism in Jignesh. There was a speech to the Yilgarh Parism. It was out in Bheema Koregao. Bheema Koregao, where are you? We never even seen you. Wow. You are not Arban Naqsal. No. You are not Deshudriy. No, this is Arban Manu, Mr. Modi. Arban Idiots created by them. There is no use in knowing their language. We will reach to N. Sai Balaji now. When you win the elections in January, all the Vamdals are united. But people say that today the Vamdals are so weak in India that they fight each other more and more. Left has become the biggest enemy. They fight with CPI, CPM, CPI ML, CPM. If you are not united, then how come all of you all came together, left unity? Because you all were thinking in BJP, ABVP, Agil, Bhartiya and Vidharti Prasad that if you are not united, you will win. So in a sense, it was the compulsions of preventing the BJP that brought you together. I would not say that. Because there were compulsions, then they could have been united earlier. It was not compulsions, but it was love for the people. I will say this, because in 2016, when these people took a fake case in February, taking a sedition case by doing a doctorate video, then they found out that there is a fascism. Because we read the way of fascism in books. We have read it ourselves. This is more than Tana Shahi. More than dictatorship. In dictatorship, you have a bad person who wants to have power. But Mr. Modi is not a bad person. He proposes a constitutional violence. If we do a cut-and-paste, we will say, N. Sai Balaji, President Jainu, saying that Mr. Modi is not a bad person. Mr. Modi is not a bad person, that is why I am saying that the part of the constitutional hatred is completely wrong. So what will I get by saying it is wrong? The whole hate of RSS represents Modi. If I say the wrong thing to Modi, and those who have trained him that you should spread hatred and lie, I always say one thing, Mr. Modi has three secrets. I mean three things, policy. Lying, looting and hatred. Will he lie? He is not agreeing to it. Let him do it, I don't have 100 crores left. It is 100 rupees, take that also. He doesn't agree. He is not agreeing. He is still waiting. He has the right to speak. It is written in the constitution. The attack that took place, we have come to know it clearly. And you yourself have said that the formation of AISA is against SFI. It happened for the first time in 2016. AISA and SFI have come together. They are not afraid of anyone. In fact, the constitution of this country and the local authorities are things that should be saved by social justice. Right now, in the current situation, there was such a big protest in Delhi on 31st. On the 13th, the action ended in the teachers' appointment. And all the political leaders of Delhi came there. We did this in 2016. And the unity increased from there. Because the public was getting together. Sai Balaji, you are originally from Hyderabad. You did your undergraduate course there. No, in Noida, in the Institute of Management Studies, you studied in Patrakari. You are in the School of International Studies in JNU for four years. You are about to become 27. Like Shaila, against Kanhaiya. So, you are living comfortably in JNU with the money. The government is giving you subsidies for your education. You are getting food at a low price. You are getting a place to stay. So, you are cursing the government. You are a complete patriot, Sai Balaji. Actually, I came here in Uber. When my 144 rupees was cut, I got taxed. Actually, it is my money. I give it to the government. The Prime Minister, Modi takes money in the form of a bank. He buys the rickshaw of you and this country. It is his tax. Actually, the people who are sitting in the government, they take money from us. I am giving him money so that he gives it back to me. But this country is not working. He is taking money from us. He is giving it to Adani and Ambani. You say this. This is the argument of the taxpayer. This is the state of this country. We will come to you. We are very ashamed of this. We have sent a piece of manufacturing defect to Delhi. We are ashamed of this. We have sold 3.5 lakh crores of rupees to the government. This is the argument of the taxpayer. We are talking about the debt of the farmer. Leave the farmer. There are 26,000 young people in this country in the last 3 years. Education is at the top of the loan. Every day, students are stuck in the quota. Wait a minute. Why is this against you, the father and the group? My father is an OBC. My mother is an upper caste. She was married to Love Marriage. On one side, Babre was falling. On the other side, Mandal's politics was going on. Mandal's commission was going on to fight. Anti-Mandal's politics was going on. We were born at that time. It was a mistake. We have no caste. Now tell us what our caste is. This time in the elections, the people you have mentioned are the same social justice group. They call themselves the impure OBC. How do you tell us? Did you test my blood? Did you test if we were 60% OBC or 40% upper caste? How are you able to say this? Are you saying that you married an inter-caste? Is this your father's agenda? Yes. What is this? On the other hand, the Dalit, the OBC, like Chintu, the old general secretary, Rama, they call everyone a slave. I want to ask you this question. I will answer it. I want to add one line. Actually, their attack is not on the RSS. We have talked about this again and again. This time the people have understood it. Their attack is on the left. If the Dalit people, the Dalit community, if there is no union with Bhaam Dal, then how will you fight against the Maudi Ji or the foreign party or the RSS? I am tired of saying this. Because the Dalits on the left, they are called Chamche, they are not called Dalits. Come on, let's go to the Jignesh. You were trying to say something. Am I also young? It is a very unfortunate fact that even today, the fight between Ambedkarites and Vampanth unfortunately did not resolve. It is very unfortunate. But objectively, the people, who are the workers of the chemical factory, who are the workers of the ETO, who are the workers of the government, who work under the security guard, they don't want to fight with the blue and red. They want bread. This fight, whose stomach is full, who don't question their situation, is a fight between the middle class and the intellectuals. This is not a fight between the people. You are saying one thing. Okay, you finish. As a Dalit, no, this is presented as a Dalit. Okay. That Vampanth never raised the question of caste. What is the Vampanth of the 60s, 70s, 80s? I will take one example. This is the Vampanth of the 70s, this is the Vampanth of 2019. This is the student wing, which is connected with the CPI, and the immigration. We know that the people of their party, who are so called uppercasts, have given a lot of money to the landowners to get their land. They have given a lot of money. They have given a lot of money. Like this, there are 100 examples well documented. But you have to believe one thing. After the 2014 elections, only the Congress, and the Vamdal, got the lowest votes. There are a lot of reasons. One reason may be that the Vamdal, the caste factor, the issue, is not as important as it should be. I don't believe it. No, you don't believe it. And you see, in the last 10 years, more than in India, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, Jhankan, we have to respond. I too want to respond. Vamdal, the question of caste, the way it should be understood and articulated, he didn't do it. There are a lot of things that he couldn't articulate. And there are a lot of things that he couldn't articulate properly. Is there a decent class perspective of Dalit movement today? What is the perspective? Let's assume that we run a trade union. They call it LAL SALAM. They run a trade union with the people of LAL RAN. You are a Dalit citizen, you don't have to join them. But you can't stop your own trade union from launching. Do it. Why not? Because your class isn't perspective. One thing is, choose one and the other is to see the result before you both read it. The election of this country is based on money. The election of this country is based on big media. And who has the most money? Everyone knows. Have you ever seen Nirvachan Aayok? Exactly. When we are saying that if the election didn't go well then the election is over. If this result comes out, then in the last 4 years, in LAL JANDA, the farmers, the workers, the government and the weakest people of this country are the cleaners. For those who are killed in the country from Delhi for their justice, I am not defending LAL JANDA. I am telling you that the fight is over. They don't have money to be translated. Mr. Chasai Balaji, I want to ask you a question. I want to add one thing. When I sit in the JNU campus I see and hear that LAL Bhagwa is one. He threw away all the comrades. Now there are 150 political parties of VAMPANTH. Who do you call one of them? The entire VAMPANTH is like this. If it is like this, and if your NARA is right, then the Jindalith political parties your absolute clarity that he is an enemy of ours and that he left his home with BHAJPA then why didn't he put Neela, Bhagwa are one and all the comrades are one. Then he should have put this NARA. This would have been honesty. If this would have been honesty, then we would have been like this. But VAMPANTH has made some mistakes. VAMPANTH has made some mistakes. Mr. Chasai Balaji, are you ready to listen to me? If you look at the flag of the elections from the last few years from Uttar Bharat, Paschim Bharat, Madhya Bharat in different places one who is the leader Anushwati Janjati Anushwati Janjati is a very big part after the Bharti Janta Party and with RSS has gone. I will tell the reason for this. VAMPANTH has the language of politics. I come from the student wing of CPM Liberation We have a party in Bihar and if we leave it there then the rest of the party is coming. I am talking about the language and grammar we are not able to understand the needs of the people. I think we should take it as a critique and learn from it that if Modi says that we will remove poverty we will give you 15 lakh rupees which is dying in our lives in our lives but I think there is some lack the whole system the language the capitalism we are not able to understand the politics the language until it is improved which I will not be able to explain to the common people that there is a loot in this country that the government has come Congress has come to power in a trans-titanic way every time Modi says the whole election became a fight between two people in 2014 Modi is called Rahul he says this time Amit Shah says they all want to remove Modi in 7 days 7 people will become Prime Minister this is Amit Shah's saying the whole country the politics talk about poverty talk about unemployment the problem in the rural areas the problem people are saying this is Modi listen to me this is Amit Shah's saying this is the fight between Modi and Modi this is the fight between Modi and Modi they are talking about Modi we are talking about Modi we are saying these are the two people who are killing all the organs that no one has done I am telling you in the past it was an emergency it was an undeclared emergency plus first season, plus Modi and secondly who is fighting against Modi nobody is fighting against Modi youth, workers and farmers they are fighting for their rights they are fighting for their rights Modi had promised listen to me listen to me listen to me Adarani Narendra RSS Bajpa and ABVP youth atleast give them 2 crores atleast give them they are not giving them they are giving them 6.30 in the morning they are giving them 2 crores let me tell you one thing the 13 point roaster for OBC's protection is over in the teacher's appointment I am saying in the RSS you are not able to give them a job what do you think the upcoming elections which is not much time the elections are going to be in 3-4 months what will it be wait a minute people are saying that it can be Modi 2013-14 which Narendra Modi said that we will get 15 lakhs we will get 15 lakhs 1 crore, 2 crore we will get 2 crores that Modi or today's Modi this will be the choice the betrayal with young India the betrayal with young India will be taken and fight for their rights I am saying this the betrayal for their rights so that no government can betray them we will get 2 crores the data of central for monitoring 1 crore is over 6% is today's time and the national statistical commission the report is ready leave that only 15 lakh jobs are left the public sector the data of the government the data of the budget the data of the CMI the data given in the budget let me give you a simple data last month an exam paper was written in Gujarat the cost of police constables how many posts around 8,700 how many people applied 9 lakh people where did you say the Gujarat as a vibrant Gujarat as a model state I am saying that in the history of India for the first time the age of 25-26 more than half of the population 35 to 40 crores more than that if the population of 130 crores is 65 crores it is less than 25-26 after few years more people will die wait let me finish the first time in 2014 the voter turnout was more than 6-7% more than 2 out of 3 people and there were many youths in it at least 8 crores 10 crores so this time also these new people will come new youths will come to vote but they are not excited to vote all the time all the charts, growth, development smart cities, these Gujarat model after finishing all this a message was given by Modi that if I will come the jobs will be created not good we have gone 50 years back that is why I am saying what you are saying about youths in the last 3 years 26,000 youths have done a good job students have food on them that is why hatred is spreading hatred people may be sad they could be discontented unhappy there is no other Prime Minister no, that is why I am saying on 7th February in this country the vote given by Modi more than 70 organizations leaving the ABP student union youth organization who were fighting for jobs all of them are young Indians what are they asking 24,000 central government is empty in the central government tomorrow Modi's government I am telling you tomorrow there is no other Prime Minister we will tell them no, I am saying the camera on record Modi is going, not because I am telling this country is young India you tell we are not able to give this 2 crore salary let us understand there are 24,000,000 workers who have sanctioned why is there no appointment this is a government data we are not able to understand so we will fall on it and that is why we have said either give salary or give us Rs. 18,000 salary not giving salary is your job after salary there are two things there are very few one is the MIG minimum income guarantee Congress has seen Modi ji is saying we are doing this for the people we are doing this for the people we will do this for the people we will give this for the youth a lot of things but what do people think are they trusting our big politicians they make a promise before elections we heard that 5-4 years ago 5 years ago we will have to make a promise there are 9 families who have more than 30% of the population this is the report of Oxfam 1% of the population has 73% of the population so the rest of the people 125 crore people have the same amount it is very good and if the government doesn't deliver it then the anger in front of Modi ji and the other thing we are asking for the basic minimum this is the long fight of the old trade union because you have the right to give jobs because we are giving you tax so that you can work we are not looting in May 2019 we will know what you are saying will this be true or not we will tell you the truth I will vote I will not vote for Modi thank you very much will you give me some time our friends who are in the news click studio they are the future of this country whether what they are 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