 Yeah, so I guess some practical tips for becoming a full-time activist. Number one, this is the most important thing that you need, otherwise you're not going to, is a burning desire to make a difference. Okay, you have to have a very strong purpose, it has to be purpose-driven. You have to be driven by what's going on to animals and you have to really have a burning desire. If you don't have that, don't even bother, because it's going to be all fun and interesting at the start, it's going to get hard, there's going to be ups and downs, not everyone's going to always support you, your friends aren't always going to support you, other vegans aren't always going to support you, meat eaters are going to attack you, so if you don't have that driving purpose, there's no point even going for it. Like you really have to have that and I still have it and the reason I started was because I had it, it was really pronounced burning desire in my chest and I couldn't even sleep and when I did sleep I woke up, thought I just wasted another few hours sleeping, what am I doing? I need to do this. Now you need that, okay. Now then there's a, that will lead you through the journey and it will keep you speaking for the animals and don't ever forget that and if you do forget it, like for a moment, go back to the reason why you started, it's always about the why, the why will keep you going and keep you fueled and then practically like how do you like on a practical level do become a full-time activist, the why will drive you there? So you'll find a way, the way will be shown because your passion and your purpose will be so pronounced that it will just methodically lead you there, but the way it happened for me, like this is my scenario might be different to yours, I was working 40 hours a week as a bricklayer, a laborer shoveling sand and mixing concrete and stacking bricks in the in the heat getting a very mediocre wage, it was very small wage and I decided to quit that job right because it was taking, sucking away too much of my energy and I really wanted to start filming videos and then I by virtue of some type of synchronicity got offered a job like two weeks later doing three days a week as a traffic controller. Now a traffic controller in Australia you're going to get really good money, you can work night shift, you can kind of select your hours with some places, you can do part-time, select your hours, it's a really good ticket to have a traffic controller's ticket. Now I was making the same amount of money in three days, standing on the roadside, setting up signs and stop slow or whatever or sometimes just on my phone debating with meat eaters. I was making the same amount of money in three days and I was working a 40 hour week as a laborer for a bricklayer so then I could balance a mediocre amount of work, I was eating oats and potatoes pretty cheap, I wasn't drinking alcohol, I was riding my bike everywhere and then I could balance the rest of that time focusing on building a social media presence and speaking for the animals. So that progressed into people seeing that I had something and that I was purpose driven and I was speaking for the animals really well and then many people wanted to get behind me and once I had built up that foundation of people wanting to get behind me I swallowed my pride and started a Patreon and accepted help because I wouldn't accept help before that, I thought I could do both but then you make the decision between splitting 60% of your time for the animals and 40% of the time trying to survive and I made the Patreon then. I didn't just make a Patreon, I built up a social media presence and started really getting into it and dedicated every single moment spare that I had to it and I learned how to film and edit because I was driven by that purpose and you know that's how it worked. Now when I went full-time activist I was a full-time activist every moment waking moment all I talked about or thought about was how I'm going to get the next piece of content how I'm going to edit this video or how's the video going and where can I go and film to you know create an impact. These were all I was concerned with and it consumed me to the point where I didn't couldn't even build friendships with people because I was too concerned with you know making this impact. That's how much it overtook my entire life and most people don't want to do that to be honest with you most people aren't prepared to make that type of sacrifice to get where they need to go and then when they get this platform a bunch of disappointments come through like oh my god we're not all on the same team oh my god I'm getting an attack left right and center so um that's how it happens like this this doesn't just fall on your lap it's not gonna be like that for some people they're really lucky they bring something to the table right at the start and they really propel themselves into you know the higher levels of the social media world but when you've got an explicit animal rights message people don't want to hear her for starters so getting a following as an explicit animal rights activist is kind of it's kind of hard because people don't really want to hear this unapologetic message like any type of campaign any type of disruptive activity that you do to create media like I'm always saying going vegan go vegan be vegan everything this that the other be vegan is always the answer it's always a consistent message unless you're vegan you're paying for animals to be abused it's always a consistent message no matter what avenue you take to spread that so you should apply those principles principles to your disruptive activism as well if you can get a really good solid message in with your disruption you know that compels people or makes them feel accountable and wanting to go vegan or like not even then obviously disruptions don't turn people vegan they leave messages in people's minds that are a seed and like advertisement and then the sleeper effect takes place and then they that that seed might flourish later on or that's what they were talking about or I think these things can be done not not as effective and I think they can be done more effectively depending on the message how strong the message is Gary Rofsky is one of the most experienced animal rights activists ever and one of the most effective ever and he always says no matter what you do no matter what activism you do it has to be education based right now if you're going to do your speeches at the school it's of course it's education based you're sitting down you're educating people right so if you're going to do your disruptions try to squeeze in a little bit of education there even if it's sound bites or phrases um you know everything that we do should be even even direct action you know liberations you know if you can do some type of education off the back of that even if you're covering your face and doing a post an anonymous post sending it to ALF to post whatever if you're doing all of these things um it's the best the most effective way to do all of them is with some type of level of education if you're just educating amazing but if you're coupling what you do tash with education that could even be more effective because you're gonna get that education out to sometimes a million two million people or the media everything gets much more complicated when you get a bigger platform and things like that trust me so everything's gets a lot more complicated especially in the vegan movement there's lots of complicated people in there so one one piece of advice that i would give to you guys here no matter what happens right always keep your activism focused on the animals and it's going to feel hard at the times because the movement is full of different ideologies and political views and all of these things and they're going to want to get you into it they're going to want to get you into this side topic of whatever it is but what you got to do in that scenario is make animal rights content in response make animal rights content in response um there's sometimes going to be hard i respond to people about outside issues sometimes but publicly on my platforms i respond by making animal rights content someone in the vegan movement saying some stuff or make animal rights content and that will keep you on track just remember always remember that otherwise you're going to put all of your energy into debating in the vegan movement about things that don't have nothing to do with animals and that's where you're going to burn out and you'll know when it comes up because it's going to come up it probably already has probably already has but uh you'll know and you go oh this is what joey was talking about what do you think activism is it's attention seeking what you want no one to pay attention while you're in the corner talking to yourself fucking attention seek do what do what you got to do like oh like they don't um so if they don't want to get attention fuck them but if you're willing to do what it uh takes to get the attention and you have courage do that because that's what's going to get the vegan message attention if the message make sure your message is on point that's what matters don't matter you get that attention your vegan message has to be on point obviously no violence but you know um be creative but don't let don't let people bring you down the the brighter the the brighter you shine the more people want to dim your light this is the way it is that you shine too bright in their eyes they want to bring you down don't matter if they're on they claim they're on the same team as you whatever animals team don't worry about all of that um there's got you're going to have a few people that you can trust in the movement and you can work with um and don't be too concerned about being able to please everyone in the movement or anything like that remember you work for the animals um that's the most important thing you're speaking for the pigs and the chickens and the cows they don't give a shit about human and shit they don't care about that they just want to stop suffering so um yeah that'll be my best advice stay focused on the animals don't worry about trying to please everyone get the attention that the animals need and make sure your message is very strong for when you get that attention so that people aren't going to get confused