 hi there hey peter how are you doing great thanks sorry you're good how was your weekend it was great uh it was just busy with good stuff hopefully yeah nice i went to this uh garden party where three different bands played concerts oh that's nice was good music yeah it wasn't uh very professional they're all just starting out but i think they just add it to it yeah that's cool oh nice yeah like live shows hey john hey bobby hey peter hey david hey bobby hey tracy here we go everybody doing well uh weeks off to a great start uh so today probably what we want to cover is some of the stuff that we were researching from last time talk about the updates to the mentorship programs and uh go from there sounds good so first update i'll give you is i did uh reach out to niku and he's on board for joining the mentorship program right for the onboarding tasks and so he's been added to that list of the mentors for that particular submission so right now we have peter myself and niku on that one for onboarding right and then bobby you want to maybe give an update on the documentation mentorship program um sure and the task force as well because i think that's today we're starting with the documentation and then maybe having some of the onboarding if i have that correct sure i'm going to share my screen oh and i see niku just down hey niku i want to apologize in advance for for the dogs barking i'm fostering a rescue dog so i don't know what his behavior i'm hoping it's good uh can everybody see my screen okay great so for the documentation task force we do have an application into the mentorship program i was privileged enough to be able to review um those over the weekend and i tried to grab out the ones that i think and i know david and i had a little chat about this last week about how we don't want the documentation efforts for the mentees to be something they're spending a whole lot of time focused on when in fact they should be focusing on the coding or whatever they're doing rather than sharing it or documenting it so we thought one of the things that the documentation mentee could do or the documentation task force could do is kind of use the mentee program as a testing ground for what we're building in in so far as standards and choices and templates so we want kind of the task force and the mentee to be able to not train the other mentees who have to document their work but more be able to direct the other mentees where they can choose different documentation styles and templates from so with that and i think i covered that right david did i miss anything in our conversation oh people i had to take care of don't sorry bobby i was looking for the mute the mute button no i think that covers it um yeah so we don't want to combine all the documentation mentorship efforts we want to basically have either our mentee or our task force support their efforts yeah and again i can't speak for men but my understanding as we discussed was that just in terms of the way she needs to manage things it needs to be separate because there's in the system a one-for-one matching between a mentee and a project so if we combine things then you can only have one mentee for that and mine you know we want multiple people to be involved in multiple documentation efforts but yeah i think it's more on our end to just coordinate be aware of what's happening with the documentation side and then do that coordination and i think again as we discussed i think having these mentees in you know helping out with these projects is the a really great way to kind of bring in anything the documentation task force wants to do into those projects like here's templates here's you know whatever it may be right you know and then they'll be the people who take that into the project so it's going to be i think the timing for this task force works well along with the the mentee projects getting started but yeah we we can do some coordination across those projects without combining them on men's end because she needs to manage them as separate efforts yeah yeah so yeah that's basically why i kind of thought that we would just support them um so for the task force uh what i did was i pulled out the most i mean just about every one of the submissions when you read them and get down to it they want the mentee to be able to document their work so other people can benefit from it so the ones i pulled out were the ones that specifically have in the description or are really focused on what the documentation is so we don't know if any of these are going to actually make it in there but again this is just an idea of who's asking for documentation in the community i found it was better than the survey for me finding out just who needed what you know like uh basu's doing this thing with learning tokens it's a great educational use case for for acquiring knowledge and getting a token for that and they want that uh erc token bridge and all how you do it and build it all to be well documented for for hyper ledger uh same thing with um cactus they don't like their documentation they think it's horrible and they don't know what to do about it so they're looking for help with their i guess maybe changing their hub into the make the doc so those templates would be relevant for them um same thing with bevel they they want their whole documentation read done they don't like what it looks you know so there's a lot of synergies between the mentee programs and what we're doing i'm hoping because again these aren't decided yet i'm kind of hoping that maybe we will have some of these um not these but maybe um i'm envisioning maybe a presentation to the mentees who have documentation needs uh where we have them um pointing directly to the templates they need so if they're developing code and they need to get a github repository and to uh make the docs what do we suggest they do um and then give that to them and then let them test our templates if they say that was completely unusable i had to go with something else wasn't helpful or oh my gosh that saved my life you know that's kind of what the feedback we want from the mentees that we give this presentation and offer the templates to um again uh and then the only other thing i think that the task force you know other than getting that ready i mean i think the steps in getting that ready start with defining your user groups because again these are going to be more of the maintainers coders which is the height of the deep thought templates that have to have uh you know support by the hyper ledger foundation you know because they again i know david could probably speak and tracy could probably speak better to the products that actually are supported i know i i wrote it down somewhere i think it's in the mentee application piece um so i guess the tasks we want to really focus on coming this week would be if anybody wants to take a stab at any of these three user groups especially with the maintainers um i'm calling anyone doing coding right now that's a general term for maintainers and i'm just going to add because they're not all going to be maintainers um hopefully get that at least started um or someone to make suggestions um so that next week uh whoever takes that task on can show us what they came up with and then we'll work on how to present that to the mentees um and again we have a few other tasks for the for the uh task force to complete but i think that with the mentees just starting it's a good time to do this one first what does anybody else think thoughts comments yeah i think those are good personas bobby to focus on and you know on the mentorship program for the documentation who do you have working on that particular one it looks like you're on mute bobby good i was stuttering anyway um i'm actually the the lead on the mentorship documentation um application so um if it gets accepted uh the next step would be whoever wants to apply for that um i don't have any one uh keyed into that yet or any suggestions i want you know someone who is interested in it to to apply if that that was your question yeah no i was more on the who's on the mentorship um mentor side versus the mentee side oh just me i think hold on no there's a couple of us um let me just get there give me a second to phone and there i'll open that i'll get there soon um but the mentorship application actually i can just go right here and find it guess me why are you gonna add your name job i'm gonna be working on the onboarding task or mentorship bobby i think i'm gonna stick to that but maybe somebody else who's on the call would want to join that maybe you could help out with the documentation task force and just go to that page and maybe list um the templates or whatever you think the onboarding you know because it's kind of the same thing everything we're going to do for documentation is going to fit in your piece for onboarding sure bobby i'm glad to help you out just let me know exactly what specifics you want me to focus on and we'll do that okay that would be great um so again if this gets accepted we'll have someone helping us with this a dedicated person and that can probably run that presentation to the other mentors that need documentation needs and can help us you know with organizing this because again uh once this stuff is done it has to be easily accessible so that's the onboarding um piece to it agreed yeah hey bobby on this on this particular web page that you've got um this github repo under the additional information is that a valid no the one below it oh i'm sorry it's okay my computer is so slow this one yes that one doesn't seem to be a working link okay we'll just have to figure out where that was the maintainers one the one that dave's been working on is that the one you're thinking about yeah yeah i don't have a link to that one so if you could drop that in the chat or send it to me later that would be great okay i will find where that was that i'm not sure where that link went because i know this isn't it this is just with our information and he meets okay so that's basically it for me today for the um task force okay i had a little update that was good peter great just to say uh that uh i'm almost finished with judging uh the the project proposals that i have to as the part of the committee so min still couldn't produce the end results because she's waiting for me so i apologize for that but i'll i'll definitely finish it today i started on friday and there were just too many of them uh to finish all on friday but uh i'll get there today yeah yeah no worries that's great i'll give them in uh an update i'm gonna let her know uh thanks for that update peter and then the other thing i was going to ask you about is on the last call we talked about doing a review of the hyper ledger.org and you're going to look at the learn and use sides of that so did you get a chance to look at those two tabs under hyper ledger.org sorry i i would get that done for our next meeting i did not get a chance to see it okay yeah no no problem i went through bobby and i did the participate link and i can show that up on the screen if we wanted to take a quick look at the documentation there overall i thought things were pretty clean i'll go through and just show my screen here did everyone see that or not i'll put a link to it i can see it you can see it okay great so i would say you know overall it looked like the links were fairly up to date i will say uh you know there were some things to look like they were older but i don't know if that necessarily was impacting things as far as you know the quality of the content or the how the up-to-date content is so like for example on the participate homepage we had a code of conduct from 2019 but you know i'm still looking uh at that and saying that the code of conduct probably hasn't changed since 2019 so that's probably okay and then i did interact with the chatbot and asked it about uh current events and this is just you know one of the idiosyncrasies of chatbots is and it actually pulled up david just from one of the old uh hyperledger global forums and presented that as you know current events that's great that's great i i you know i think this is good feedback for ben and again i think the timing on here works well he um can't remember if i've covered this in the past on the recent calls but he is working with an agency to redesign the website to make it fit the new brand and he's looking at on a page level you know do we need to update the content so this is perfect for us to be going through and kind of thinking through you know what what recommendations we have so we could always invite him to one of these calls if we do have a set of recommendations or or i can if he shares kind of what he's thinking i haven't seen yet exactly what he's thinking yet but i can share those back too but this is great that we're putting kind of this review in place yeah i will sorry that didn't mean to cut you off i'll just share what he shared with me he did say his kind of general view on the website based on the data he's looked at is there needs to be much less content on it like people just scan like they spend very little time on the website they just scan so his recommendation was to have the website have less content and then when people find something when they scan and they want to click on then they can go through like a deeper dive so i have the website have less content and then have those link off to deeper dives on specific things so that's going to be his approach yeah and i guess the only thing i'll say to you david and you know we have our team that works on seo for websites and my company is that if sometimes if you put content too far down in the nesting of the breadcrumb trail then google won't you know index that as highly as something that maybe is only two or three levels deep okay let's helpful yeah and i am not an seo expert so yeah if you have that yeah i mean this is great yeah we can put some thoughts together and share with ben for sure then yeah and that's something you know if he's working with an agency they should know that as well but i'm just giving you that just as feedback that's good to know you know sometimes content that may look cluttered might actually provide a lot of seo value because google picks it up and it'll be indexed so when somebody goes to google and searches for that term pops up readily for them yeah no problem uh the other thing i'll say just in going through everything was looks like copyright still showing 2022 so i would make sure that when ben's doing the website redesign he brings that up to 2023 and then you know the different ones you know work as expected so collaboration tools everything looked up to date there no issues with any of the links or any of the content uh contribute to coding same thing that looked great everything worked as expected under the academic collaboration a couple of things that were picked up were one is that the translation link david is you know your content and that's back from 2019 again but i'm assuming that hasn't changed and that's still valid content for today and then there was a link under academic collaboration with the learning materials working group and we know that that page has now been archived yeah so you know that's kind of maybe a little bit stale content but if somebody wants that materials for academic collaboration they're still out there no that's helpful and this just goes to show you that and we haven't really taken a close look at this content for a while now so this is good that we're doing the review yeah and and you know some of that content david it may not need to be touched you know in four or five years just because it hasn't changed it's like the code of conduct is the same or the translation some of it's long-lived yeah under the uh finding meetup that was fine that basically just links you off to meetup.com on the map page and it has a very nice map that renders all the hyperledger meetup groups which there's a tremendous amount of those david which is nice and uh you know gives people an understanding that it's a worldwide organization uh under the regional communities you know a lot of these were updated some of them were very recently updated like in march of 2023 and it looked like the one that hadn't been touched recently was the italian chapter which that looked like it hadn't been touched since 2021 so that may be something to take a look at you know most of them were 2022 or 2023 when they were revisited yeah that one has been inactive yeah we are yeah we may want to delist it at some point yeah but those those were nice and and i like the international flavor of that and look like it was you know yet another good way to promote hyperledger as a worldwide organization uh the speakers bureau that looks very nicely designed and uh really had good content for all those speakers in the speakers bureau and the question i would have for you david and maybe tracy is are all those speakers still active in the hyperledger community to be a part of that speakers bureau if that makes sense yeah we can ask emily emily i don't know if you've met emily fischer before she's the one who i have yeah she runs the speakers bureaus i my understanding is i think she does keep it up to date but i i don't want to assume we we can ask her okay yeah no no problem i'm just saying you know there's people in there that i know have been in the hyperledger community for many many years and i just didn't know if you know some of them are still as active in the community now as they were or if there's new people that should be at a list but you know emily's got it that's perfect for keeping it up today yeah i mean i see chris barris is in that list and i know chris is retired um so i don't know if he's still talking about uh hyperledger at um at different sorts of events or whatnot so um would probably be worthwhile to just go through the list to make sure that uh even maybe sending a message out to some of these folks um you know mar is in the list um here so yeah i guess just looking at it definitely see the same thing that you do john that there's potentially some people here that maybe don't um or aren't still involved yeah no problem crazy and you know it's a super list and really great people uh i just didn't know if they wanted to like you say chris barris is a wonderful speaker but he may not you know be active and looking to speak around hyperledger today so there you go uh joining community all the links were up to date everything works as expected and also with the labs uh all the links were up to date and worked as expected as well so that's just kind of an overview of that one tab on the uh hyperledger website right there i think next week after peter gets a chance to go through the rest of it you know the learn and uh use tabs then we should have another great run through and then you know i'm glad to talk to ben about you know some pots around the website redesign yeah that's great that's great thanks and sorry did you drop that link on discord i will i will drop a share link into the chat so here we go let's just uh share it and i'll put it on the licky page so it's there with the yeah thanks uh bobby i appreciate your wonderful help as always and i apologize i'm gonna have to drop in a minute but yeah thanks this is helpful john thank you anyone with the link here you go copy the link link copy done and then put it in chat there we go okay so that pretty much covers it i just want to uh reach out to niku niku thanks for joining the call today and also i really appreciate your wonderful help on joining as part of the mentorship program for onboarding anything you want to mention on the onboarding side niku no nothing okay uh lesbeth as always thanks for joining the group today anything specific you want to mention or anything that you'd like to do to collaborate with either the two mentorship programs nothing for me uh that's just you know my usual apology that i'm being late with everything but i'll look at on it and i also have to drop uh at half an hour same day yeah no problem peter i think we covered the main things and i appreciate your awesome help on uh going through the stuff and don't hesitate to reach out to me on email if you need me to jump in and work with you on something i just want to make sure that we really you know keep pushing forward here and get this you know task force on the right path just following up on question i had a few weeks ago so in the mentee if a mentee wants to make sure that they are not wasting their time is there an algorithm that they can see where they would know exactly what criteria would actually give them a pass so they can uh you know for sure that they're going to get the mentorship if they apply so they don't waste your time they don't meet their criteria i guess i'd let uh is peter still on or not peter maybe can address that or maybe tracy can just address that i don't think there's necessarily an algorithm i think it's almost a you know what resources are a good fit for what mentorships get approved that makes sense elizabeth so i'd almost look and say these are the ones that's been picked by the hyper ledger technical oversight committee and then look at and i'm assuming you're talking about yourself looking at your skill set and based on the skills that are outlined in the proposals that are approved then i would just apply toward the ones that look like they would be a best fit for your skills see best fit i'm working on a project where it's very transparent if you have all of these uh criteria and you can prove them and we'll go ahead and post it on blockchain your your credentials to make sure that that you know you've actually provided us everything proves that you qualify then you definitely get the mentorship that's you get it you get the stipend period there's an unlimited amount of funding for everybody who can get this you know otherwise it's competitive process and then people end up wasting time and wasting energy uh well unfortunately in hyper ledger we don't have unlimited sort of funds for mentorships so they are limited to one person per mentorship which means that uh the person who is running that mentorship project is responsible for choosing the person that they think is the best fit well there's there you go we have a project how can we make sure that you know that nobody's wasting their time or energy what would be the best fit so in other words if you have already posted all of the people who okay just first come first serve okay well one person meets our requirements so nobody else need apply that would save a lot of energy like I said it's up to each it's up to each individual mentor as to how they decide who they want to work with so it's it's their carbon uh okay so so that's their carbon debt if they decide that they want to make it a competitive process instead of a collaborative it's not it's so okay thank you that answers my question okay great uh Bobby have anything else that we should cover at this time or you think we're good to call it a wrap for today's call no we're good I put on the onboarding page under uh where it said you would do the participate part your link and then we'll wait for next week for Peter's link or Peter's conversation and then the document stuff um I'm just going to keep trying to further define um pathways journeys I'm not really sure um uh if anybody has any ideas to to jump start this so that we have the right uh documentation templates and standards where they need to be for the right people to use them okay that's it for me okay Bobby and please reach out to me via email if you want me to collaborate with you on any of those flow diagrams or any uh you know learning materials documentation items that you're working on right now I sure will okay everyone well I know time is valuable so I'm going to give you back to half an hour here and I hope everyone has a great week and if you need anything reach out to us via email or on discord thank you have a great one