 Welcome to a Saturday Q&A these occur not consistently for anyone new these are Tom's playing with Tekkeners not a lot else going on right now. I don't have a life. I guess but Well, I do have a life I play with tech and no one's home right now besides me So there was no one to talk to but I can talk to all of you and I was doing this anyways My wife's out of town and I'm like, I don't really want to watch TV or YouTube But boy, I'd like to share some of the thoughts I have on technology and answer questions So that's a lot of what this is somewhat unscripted, but there's plenty of if no one asks a question Don't worry. You'll just watch me goofing away at all the things that I'm working on and What I'm trying to pull up here No, well, yeah, we're gonna throw this on there first. This is one of the things I'm playing with right now and the I don't know how I feel about it yet. So it's interesting. I'll say that this is a This is very similar to the one Jeff Gehrling reviewed. There's one that used a Raspberry Pi compute module KVM. This is a little different because they realized when they were making it. There's a Quite a few Challenges and getting lots of Pi KVM so they made one with their own It's one of those all-winner system on a chip, but it's still the same device essentially now. It just doesn't need a Raspberry Pi So I've been playing around with this thing. It's It's interesting. Well, we'll say that I'm setting it up so I can actually did it finish. Oh good It actually has the ability to You upload ISOs that creates usb's. Let me try connecting that to a host and see if that works and Maybe I think it connected. Let's find out and Hold on local command shell I think it has a usb attached Yes, it does So interesting I attached the usb to this. I'll talk about this more in a minute You answer answer people's questions knock things off my desk and Let me move my I'm crouching down like this. It's finally cold enough to turn My space heater on I don't actually have my furnace on about my space heaters on it's uh here in Detroit It's finally you reached some of the lower temperatures. It's been one of those rainy days So let's scroll up here. Say hello to everyone. We have uh kodi happy saturday. Absolutely Um early greetings from seattle awesome I didn't feel bad that you don't have a life literally testing ansible playbooks for proxmox Yeah, I mean that's Um, what happened to the homelab show nothing it's just had to take a couple week break There'll be more details later, but me and jay schedules haven't aligned is the Short of it. So while me and jay schedules have not aligned That we didn't have either one of us Have the ability to do the shows on those wednesdays So nothing really lined up the way we were hoping nothing's gone with the show It's just unexpected. We didn't realize things would line up how they did So we didn't really say anything in our last episode because we just I don't know we didn't plan ahead as well as we should have And it's a lot it's a lot of commitment to keep a weekly podcast and every now and then Things just come at you in a way that you're like, yeah Uh, it isn't gonna happen. So the show's not the show's just paused for until I think I'm not positive next week, but the week after we should be fine Next week's a maybe And what we might do is we'll do one at a different time slot so we can get it recorded We'll just do it at a different time slot if we can't get that wednesday nailed down Because I don't want to go too long without doing it I love the homelab show and where you me and some other friends are even talking about kicking around another podcast to do so Oh, you know, it's 10 a.m. Sunday. Oh, yeah, that's true for those on the other side of the world On the full other side the australian side. It's uh, 10 a.m. Sunday. So that's Hello, South care troubleshooting my open vpn connection for a whole new apartment not getting an ip for my network in my apartment. Hmm interesting Farmington Hills, I'm assuming you mean farmington hills michigan. So hello my local friend who's also enjoying this miserable michigan weather Just built a new churnass server. What's the best way to transfer data to an old system rsync? Then it's 13 days. Well, if the old system is churnass then The best way to transfer it is going to be zfs replication if the old system's churnass if the old system's not churnass then um Yeah, I don't know there's rsync That's probably the best one that's usually rsync is kind of like the universal language of I need to get it off of this device to that device and the two devices don't speak some type of language that's faster So rsync is the glue that will pull these devices together so we can get the data from where it is to where we want it to be um rsync may report a longer time to transfer than it is when rsync first syncs uh in in indexes all the files it's going to be a lot longer than the Actual time, but not always sometimes it may take I don't know how much data you have so That's a math equation of what the transfer speed of the drives This is actually something people may not realize or actually i'll bring up here because This is going to come up when I do this video anyways is uh, there are some transfer limitations to these spinning rust systems And if you're putting in one of these systems you you could be hitting The speed limit of the drive itself and this is going to come up when I make this video about this server here Because i'll be pointing out check this fancy hundred gig connection out on this server And there's also a hundred gig connection on the server below it now the server below it is A 45 drives xl 60 serial filled with spinning drives That's not going to saturate a hundred gig, you know So that there's a lot of limitations more than just networking You know, you've reached true fame time when you have fans in Idaho Uh, there's tech people in Idaho. There's there's the surprising part I don't I don't was not a place. I think of anything other than the potato. I don't really know what else goes on there Um, I've never been there. I should go though. Is it looks cool. It looks like a really pretty place I love getting out to nature. That's how I disconnect I just don't think of anything technology wise about Idaho Correct me if there's something technical that I've overlooked in Idaho because I'm absolutely curious I've never used cloud for access. So my answer is uh, tail scale Excited over tomorrow my home lab gets its first 10 gig link Do you have a video to post on intro to using sfp plus? I should probably make anyone but I have like get some DAC in your rack. I've got a video I think that's the title put some DAC in your rack. So if you look for sfp plus and DAC I've got videos where I talk about it. So yes, essentially Yes, Michigan. Yes, then the wonderful rain. Yeah, new to xo after proxmox. Wendell mentioned To use uh unlock script. Could you elaborate on that been watching your videos if you look for the um I have a getting started with xcp and g That will walk you through getting started with it and within that video I discussed and there's a video that you can find on my channel of how to build zen orchestra And that script is all linked into the video. So I might make a new one. Actually, I did make a new one I don't I don't know. It's not hard to find if you type in like building zen orchestra I think if you google search it my video comes up before the script, but it's a zen orchestra Build script. I mean it it's the way to do it. Wendell's completely right about it Um, you'll find references in my forums to it. You'll find references in my video to it So that's the way to do it Interface template to work good stuff I'm not able to access unify self-hosted portal after changing router to pf sense um I can't think of are you talking about you can't access it internally or externally Generally speaking. No. I mean unless you put a rule in the block it. There's not a if you talk about reaching it externally I mean unless you put a rule in the block it You know When in doubt reboot it see if it works I can saturate a hundred gig lake filling v-ram and are well in this machine here um This is the beast we're going to be talking about pretty soon here. This thing has 1.5 terabytes of ram in it. So and These are those uh, what is These are a whole lot. I have it over in my other notes Where's it at here? These are Nvidia quattro rtx a6000 48 gigs of ddr Six wow interesting neat But yep, that's this is going to be a beast of a machine. Well, it already is a beast of a machine After 20 years in corporate it i'd like to start my own msp, but i'm risk averse How do you do with the risk of running your business? I have a video i've done recently this year with jason on my business technicality channel It's titled I hate my job isn't a business plan and I just say it like that because If you are risk averse don't start a business the Cost and challenge of starting a business often means you may not be profitable for a while or You'll be profitable But not realize your blindsides because there's some people like i'm making all this money And i'm like oh, how's your cyber liability insurance and all the other things you need to take care of and you're like cyber liability what and It's one of those things. There's a lot to it. I'm not tailing anyone not I'm not trying to be a gatekeeper and say don't start a business I always like to make sure people go in and make an informed decision about starting a business that informed decision Um, I that's one of the things that video is about it's why I don't always know what what the motives are For people starting a business, but your motives should be you have an idea You think you can execute on that idea better than other people have that's a great motive The motive of I bet I could do it better than the other guy because the guy I work for sucks is not the best motive And that can be a challenge So I try to make sure you have the right mindset and intent before you start a business and risk averse is not the Right mindset or intent I'm sucking one gig because I went all in on omata and they're two and a half gig and 10 gig are too expensive Yeah Hold on did I read that right? Micron ram is made in Idaho. That's awesome Idaho is very nature focused national national laboratory You got a DOE research interesting. Oh jacob's out camping with the scouts Off to dinner. Well, I'll probably be on here when you're done with dinner jason Uh pengens on meekertick the my pengens on meekertick is the The fact that their interface is bad their documentation not great between interface and documentation and Bugginess others than that they work once you get over the bugs and it's not that they're insurmountable You just got to spend time in the forums and that's the thing you got to spend time Sorting out why something isn't working the way you may have expected it to the basics work fine If you're just looking for switching and vlan, it's any of the routing functions that it gets complicated There's ways to get it done and you just kind of work through their menu system to do it Does ppsk change anything you're doing commercially not Yeah Not really it's neat. I maybe we'll use it somewhere. I think it's kind of cool I think I said that one micron made there awesome Uh, I was watching your last home videos, uh, you did a tidbit on your lab someone had an ipkvm in the lab But uh, it was expensive. Yeah, that's the problem. There this one right here is One of them that's getting cheaper this blikvm You got to buy it from ali express as part of the problem So, uh, when I do my review of it, that's probably gonna be the challenge of it's it's relatively inexpensive But it's also something that you can't just even grab from maybe it's on amazon. I didn't look but when I first looked it was only on This all came from a ali express. So that makes it a little bit I I mean less it's not that that's hard to get it just takes several weeks and we're so used to Hey, look, I can have that tomorrow or in about three hours from now that could be at my house So it's going to be something else to consider on different kvms like that I just made my first proxmox home server Nice and any recommendations. I'm just starting to feel by the way I've learned a lot from your videos I mean, whatever you want to run on it. That's I don't know they have any specific recommendations. Just whatever works whatever pick a project fix start with an idea Most of the time for if your home users are like, well, maybe plex and maybe that Uh, it really kind of depends on the path here going down If you only view the portal on the computer it is installed. I'm not able to view it on the local network computers I'm not sure Post the details of my forums and maybe someone can help to troubleshoot that That machine is insane. Yes, it is Uh a portal ptz outdoor. I don't use any pts The reason why is because they're never pointing where you want them to That's the big challenge Did not know xoxo a uh does not have a dark theme not that proxmox had it for a long as well It will it's going to later this year get a dark theme. I think it's going to be released later this year The new version does Does do dark themes. So yes Uh, I consider site to site bp. I'm a friends and family historically youtuber said is deploying pfcents Omen at each site the tail scale on relevant systems taking over that model. No tail scales solving a Different problem. I've got a video. I kind of noodle around my videos like I start writing more Outlines, I don't really script them But I outline what I'm working on and sometimes I record pieces of it I've got one for tail scale coming up and my biggest reason and I went all in I've been using it as I've traveled as my only vpn Uh for things for About three or four months. I wanted to really test it everywhere. I went so all the weird traveling and stuff I've been doing whether it's for business or other I've been really doubling down on tail scale. Another biggest reason why is Tons of home users like the number open vpn I've got plenty of videos on it But lots of home users are asking me a really solid question that I don't have an answer to that's easy Easy it's the important part. There's not that there's no way to do this There's no easy way to do this people are stuck behind cgnat Matter of fact where my dad is in far northern michigan. He's stuck behind cgnat And if I wanted to reach something that's Far in the middle of nowhere where my dad lives for example, I'm going to use something like tail scale because It's easier to get into his network persistently When things may change and switch around or whatever and if you're running multiple connections For failover like star link and we actually have a few clients using that It becomes a no-brainer once again You can throw a tail scale node in their network and you always have connectivity So it kind of solves some of these connectivity problems In such a simplistic way So it's not like if you have the option to use open vpn use it So it's not a replacement It's more of a it solves the problem differently and it solves the problem for people stuck behind cgnat especially so 48 or pf sense. I got a whole video reviewing them. It's not like you can just drop one in for the other 40 net hat or 40 gate is going to have some more 40 net 40 gate whatever They're going to have more features than pf sense and if those features are on your checklist of requirements You're not going to be able to use a pf sense. So you have to start with I did a comparison video on there That covers a lot of things that's going to be An important aspect of it I mean, I like pf sense over 40 net, but If you say I have to have web filtering I can tell you that you're not going to want pf sense if that's your requirement. How's your voice today better Best thing about ppsk is you do a mdu combo supplying wi-fi. You only need One ssid to make it easier still multiple passwords. Yes Pi kvm is a sweet kvm. Yep Is this a question older enterprise servers or use something diy for home lab? Honestly, these little boxes because power has become a big concern and it's a variable concern in us It's a larger concern in europe some some areas in us michigan still has relatively inexpensive power But the power savings are sometimes offsetting the You know cheap price you can get a big server app. But when that server uses a lot of wattage That may offset those costs and you go, maybe I want to buy one of those little mini boxes Good recommendation of brecht fractures get windows events in the gray log not really Um, no I don't really have any best practices for that one. I rarely do it. So Run a pie hole for filtering. Yep. There's a good prox box project Um, what are you thoughts on Ali express? I mean, they're probably reasonably Good for purchasing parts stuff shows up and they'll refund it if it doesn't My home lab has 125 terabytes of storage planning on selling some of this as a service to friends Okay Tells get my phone just to block ads when i'm off the home wi-fi I got rid of my breakage. It was way too many problems Let's take a pf sense and layer three switches. Oh and a three unit pox box cluster. It's just a matter Where's your time going to be spent? Can sales tails gonna work with two exit nodes? I don't think so I don't You can choose an exit node. I don't think you can choose two I mean that would be confusing I tried switching open sense because the drama on pf sense no matter how hard I tried to just hate the interface pf sense so much Also without pf blocker. Yeah, I People way overstate drama that happened years ago with people who I don't even think work there anymore So, you know, and even if they do isn't the idea of Humanity that we learned from something dumb we did even if that dumb was on the internet That didn't change the fact that at one point we did something stupid and then later We learned that that thing was dumb we did and we become better people That's the part I really don't understand about kind of the internet era is you reassess people Especially when they've been on the internet for years doing dumb things and you're like, wow, that person did a dumb in 2008 Should I hate them today? Well since 2008 they have progressively done a million good things But we got to focus on the dumb they did in 2008. We can never forgive that person. They should probably stop existing It's like the attitude people have and I'm like, no, we assess people and say are they better Now sometimes you're not and you're like, they're still dumb and we still need them to be Not on the internet or not around me. They haven't improved and That's a thing. But honestly, we should always be reassessing Are they still the person they were when he did something dumb if they got involved in drama? That happens and I am not immune to this. I just didn't do my dumb on the internet I did my dumb off the internet. So it's less permanent that way uh, law and systems preferences for server manufacturers, uh, I Kind of like del Lenovo and super micro I love my sff boxes. Home lab use three lovable think centers How to block content on school labs? Yeah I don't know. I we use a commercial tool called zeros z or us I don't know of any free or open source tools that are easy to use or even do an effective job at it Any browser recommendations? Yes for my business. I use chrome for my personal. I use firebox People like to give me some hate for chrome. I don't care google's right on top of it in terms of things I use g-suite for my business. So i'm fine with google chrome I like firefox for my personal web surfing habits, but you know, those two browsers are the ones to stick with I just don't like any of the other ones or have a lot of faith in them And they're you know firefox at least is not a chromium derivative. So it offers some differences Everything else is chromium derivative and google's upstreaming to chrome So everyone else is downstream from google. So I trust google's security team to be on top of it I think the other companies are doing probably a good job But boy It's not much of a delay from the time google fixes something in chromium The open source part until they wrap it into chrome And I trust them to be on top of it your browser's the thing between you and the internet It's what goes beyond your firewall and touches the Scum that is on the internet potentially. So pretty much all the attacks now are browser based I was that's something i was going to be talking about with snork pretty soon because people ask me a lot about it and i'm like You know most all the infections now from modern threats come from your browser Or you clicking on something within your browser. That is the way they bypass all of the Next-gen firewall tools. That's why they're becoming a factor, but not the most important factor, I believe After your videos have been trying to help head scale hosted on oracles free tier somehow I cannot set up us count staying any you credit cards are getting kind. You know that I have no help with Implement a pf since hg with two different isps Yes, we do that frequently. You just have to have enough ip addresses from both isps So we have let me turn my now more I can turn my space keeper space heater off with my feet if I just reach down far enough But yeah, when you set up ha It's it's kind of nice because you have internet redundancy and high availability on the pf sense So it absolutely works. We do it quite a bit Why prefer blocking over squid in transparent mode no search required because you can't Squid and transparent mode will block http not https. And that's the problem Turns out a lot of sites use uh https these days So if they have security and with the new changes coming from our friends over at cloud player You know, this is probably a great topic to talk about here Did what's their It's got a new name That's the old name What is that new name of their? uh It's this is what it used to be called. What's the new name that cloudflare has for the encrypted sni This is going to break everything as this gets more popular Uh dns sparkling is easy to work around sure is Did you ever make a video in xcp and gvm fail bar? Yes, um, if you type in High availability xcp and g you'll find a video on it. I'm going to make a new one eventually just because I did it with like version seven and version eights now Isn't ssh remote desktop better than kvm Uh Yeah, but how am I supposed to? um Get to this interface and load proxmox from the bios if I uh um ssh in Sometimes you need a kvm for things. So yeah I have a whole video where I spend 15 minutes explaining over overlay networks. I think I call it vpn killer. So That that video has graphics and everything I put together and it to really dive deep into the differences Is it okay to use cockpit on cloudflare tunnels? I don't like publicly exposing um high Level interfaces, I guess like that to anyone so for me. No Uh for you that's depending on your risk tolerance. I wouldn't expose I don't expose my ssh and I in cockpit may as well be ssh because it has that level of control Is it worth installing open wrt in a router with stock firmware? Probably um headscale headscales y'all um the open source tail net manager Encrypted hello, that's the one I was looking for That's we're gonna drop this in the chat because this is a fun discussion, right? Yeah, for gray log, they have a write up when log beats one of them There's a write up in gray log for how to do it That's why I never really did a video on it like they have a write up and I'm just not really exporting my logs from windows to gray log so um because of that I don't I don't do it. So with that lack of me doing that is why I didn't um Dive into it. The gray lock has a whole write up on it. As a matter of fact, if you google it, you'll find it But we're going to talk about this for a moment here encrypted client. Hello The last puzzle piece of privacy Yeah, this is going to break everything. Um In terms of the enterprise. Well, no, I take that back It's not going to break my setups because I have been preaching this I have a whole video called internet filtering I talked about all the challenges and I talked about es and I because it predates the encrypted hello There's just a lot of challenges. There's already a lot of problems with the qic protocol and web filtering When you're doing web filtering at the firewall level It's a bad idea. I've been saying it for years. People have been arguing with me for years This is going to break and the solution is going to be dumb This is the solution sisco even had when the qic protocol came out and tls 1.3 Cisco wrote a blog post on why you shouldn't be using it It makes your internet suck if you turn it off where if you're used to a fast internet And you're like, why is the internet so slow at work? Well, our syscos can't filter the internet So we do it this way. This is one of the reasons we use You know, I mentioned this just a few minutes ago zoros We use a tool that plugs into the browser in order to understand where someone's going in order to filter and manage Threats and sites because that's where the decryption is happening So that's one of the reasons that we've moved to this. So this actually won't have any effect on any of our clients So for me, this isn't too big of a deal for everyone that's been trying to run filtering web filtering at a firewall This is going to be a headache I might make my very first proxmox server hp pro desk 600 g3 Any recommendations just starting to field? Um, I think you asked that question earlier Load it and have fun True nas core had a nice feature showing what disk space it saved with zfs can't find the same feature on tunas scales gone That's a good question Because it would be showing the compression So where does that get shown or does it? Used available Maybe it doesn't show it. You're right You can Probably show it from the command line, but that's not helpful Not it if you want to show it here because it doesn't tell you ZFS has compression By default Yeah, it's using if you can read this when you zoom it in It has the compression of lz4 like whenever you default create a new data set You're right. I believe it did use it used to tell you But I don't see it here at all. So yeah, that appears to be missing I don't Know anywhere else to look for it either because this is where I would assume it would be And it's just telling you how much you're saving. I remember it's in I can pull up one of my Other servers because you get your compression ratio right here So you do have it and yeah, the compression ratio is missing. I don't see it in That's too bad If someone knows another way to see it I don't I don't dislike the layout and true nascale, but I also don't know why they changed it I just watched a video when encrypted. Hello sounds pretty awesome And I hope nginx and traffic come to support it. I think a lot of things well Well, people are this is the reason people are going to switch to more tools like zoras because you're right The firewalls are going to fail at this. I mean, well, no the some of the companies have installers that load On to each individual system. So yeah Uh, do you think pf sense is still a better Option than unify or does it lack a lot? Yeah, the unify lacks a lot if that's the question Good day another person from the other side. Um Yeah, there's I I'm working on a comparison. I'm waiting for a few more things um To come out From unify, but I want to do an updated video I know they're on the cusp of a few things and I'm waiting for it to be released and But their firewall is still it's not enterprise. I don't care which they Say on there I usually leave it at lz4, but I know z standard is fast. I've never really benchmarked them Do you guys have preferred vendors for clients and servers that we saw about 10 hours last week still need she We Dell Lenovo and super micro Palo Alto's latest panOS feature allows you to extract the dns hostname from the encrypted request applied to your existing policies Well, I I would have to see the notes to see if it actually can extract the encrypted hello because You can't man in the middle of this unless you have a certificate. So if you took the client's dns request And then matched it up with where the client went, but then I don't know how you're going to get in between Because it gives a if I'm not mistaken and I I haven't read through this in detail It's all this stuff here. So you may know kind of where it's going So, you know, like it's talking to the server, but you won't know the site it got from the server because the whole It right after the hello the outer extensions There there's a shared certificate And this shared certificate can have any number of sites in it So you don't know the exact site they went to That's my understanding of it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong But it seemed pretty solid from what the little bit of reading I did the other day on this So I don't think there's a way to grab that that's that may fix es at some es and I won Where it does have to talk directly to the server But in tls 1.3 breaks that as well You I change is coming in the next major version. Yeah, I'm looking forward to the new scale version Is the tunables and sure next core not only an enterprise feature on sure next scale is setting up iscaze over fiber channel um The tunables are there their system settings Is it under advanced? I don't know what tunable you're looking for But you can set certain tunables inside of here There's options for it. I guess I don't know what you're trying to do um, I would check the logs See if you're running out of memory. See if you've run on a drive space or something like that when in doubt just delete it and Purge it and reset it up because something got broke I'd rarely have any problems with it But if it's if you have a system that's regularly crashing something Uh, the logs are first place to look and usually I find people are You know running out of memory have a processor That's not fast enough so it times out and start stopping the process So you can run top and just see what the system load is under while it's working. So Those are a few options No one ever got fired for buying a Dell server. That's not true A lot of questions come up of cfs if you have a mini pc collecting dust that doesn't support ecc Does it really matter you do not need ecc to run Zfs I did I think I did a video recently on that topic as well People still argue with me about it, but that's okay. They have a right to do that Using unify equipment but with pf sent handling the firewall is still the best way you think yes We do not like The unify firewalls. They just they're they're more difficult They're actually harder to configure in some ways Because the rules are weird We we just did a live stream I think I did it on raid owls channel where we were just rambling together me and a few other of us We're like, why is this so goofy? Like why did you guys make this confusing to people? That do firewalls. It's just weird It's easy to set up pf sensor vp and clients all the way in traffic goes out the server It's easy to set up. It's probably not a great idea You can but for businesses is usually you want split tunnel not full tunnel. That's the term you're looking for I've got videos on the topic for like setting up a split tunnel vpn, but We've had a lot of people set them up and then they call us for performance problems because once everyone vpn's in And then you have a bunch of vpn traffic and everyone tries to go out that way Uh, then all that pipes traffic coming back down the vpn suddenly isn't that fast So it's not necessarily the best way to set that up You're absolutely correct a riddle further and it says the uh block the ech it can't open. Yep pf sensor it's a password to counsel a pf sensor of a password to protect counsel me unchecked Nope, no idea Do is p's use pf sensor? Is it meek or tick that controls the isp? So the isp market is a on Especially the wisp market usually operates on really small margins. So you see a lot of meek or tick because It's affordable for them. They're they're not working on a World-class amount of profit. They're not the con cask raking it in the wireless isp market is a Tight industry even when you see them charging a hundred dollars a month for slow internet You'll find out that it costs a lot to keep those towers going and stuff I've talked to some of them and I've watched some of them I watched a couple of them go out of business You know earlier in the video I was mentioning my dad who that's how he gets his internet He pays a lot of money for slow internet because that's the only internet and there's only one provider Because the other ones are gone now and that can be a challenge. So Um, I have a whole separate channel for business. I mean, how did I get my first msp clients? Some of them were clients I've had for 20 years. We just when we started offering contracts We at we had contracts how do I get my first clients knocking on doors making phone calls? The cold calling meeting people chambers of commerce Think about experimenting with sep should I absolutely? Unifies firewall seems to be a hangover from the edge router line. Hopefully they change this They just has a bad interface for it You rely a lot on open source. This is your backup software any backup software to recommend Do you rely on big ones like beam? There's just not any when you're backing up window systems. There's not any good open source ones that I would I would bet my business on so we use beam Because beam works beams reliable. Um, we're liable for companies data and we're legally liable if we're unable to retrieve said data So we do trust beam for that. We of course well trust really trust them so far We do test these backups. We do walk through dr situations and you try to restore things So even the trust we have in the commercial products has its limits I tried running unifies my firewall pf senses superior in every way. Yes unify Is not on I don't know why people say that I don't get it But whatever people like to doom and gloom over things unify It's the end of unifies. They're going to be they're not going to have any self-hosted things anymore Next what I mean. I've been hearing it for years I'm using unify for eight or nine nine or ten years. I think I a long time. I've been using them. I've been telling people I've had always anytime. I even did my earliest videos You can probably find some comments from like six or seven years ago people telling me it won't last or not They're going to go out of business or when they're not going to go as they're going to start charging for their controller It was yeah, I haven't really seen there's nothing I see about them That makes me think that's going to happen Unify setup works falsely block all inbound traffic. Yeah, if you just have simple needs it works Oh, yeah, if you block quick at work, you're just asking for a worse experience to the internet Uh net data started to complain about memory errors I don't know what errors it had so I would google them and see if there are problem for you My sp's use new kia. Oh, yeah Why uh Huawei isn't the other one that's really popular PFS struggles and high performance scenarios use CPU interrupts really need asic firewall if you want to do anything with huge traffic Yeah, I mean once you get beyond like the 25 gig routing You may not want it. There's a matter of fact. This is even why pf sense makes their new tnsr or tensor I think it's called tensor. Um, but that is for people who are running Beyond some of these 10 gig plus like the 25 gig connections. Uh, that's why they have another product They know the limitation of it. Well, let's see The next unify killer is coming again soon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sure Uh, I don't there's other people doing meek or tick tutorials I don't use it enough to do a tutorial and it's not worth it's not worth doing because even the people who are good at it The do tutorials, um, I can't remember There's if you google there's like one person out there, uh, the network burg I think it is He does meek or tick tutorials. They give very few views. So some of those Disappointing things like take the time to learn it spend lots of time in forums figuring out all the commands make videos spend Hours and hours and hours and then have very few views on it It isn't really that's why I've never really interested in it because I don't use it anyways But if I thought something had such a value to the home lab market It was so much less money. It would save people so much It would be worth it for me to do this video to explain it to them Even though I don't use it I might do something like that I prefer to to talk about the products we use and we use a lot of unify and it works really well And it's not that much more expensive than meek or tick As you know, you see unify has a ui GUI control and grafana like elements. Uh Yeah, I mean it You can even tie I've seen people tie grafana to it if you want more stats out of it I still use five won't happen until it does they've shown corporate They've they've been for like years a company with an over 10 billion dollar market cap They've been kind of corporate for a while in case you didn't know they're a publicly traded company As pf sense and a proxmox a good idea. It's probably a headache. Um It depends if you know what you're doing you're adding two complex things together So if you're really good at proxmox And you're really good at pf sense no problem if you're bad at either of those You could have an uphill battle and it could break on you But if you're going in it for the learning experience, absolutely, it's a great way to learn both products Meek or tick it works, but why do in three clicks what you can do in 30? Yeah, there's sometimes just weird boxes. I remember even when I was setting up the vlands in it I'm like, why why do I have to go to multiple menus for this? Uh, there's switch os works faster because it seems to combine things Uh together to make it easier, but if you're not using switch os it becomes messier You sound like no, no, I'm getting over a cold. That's uh what I got now I used I had a cold. I'm this I was still pretty harsh yesterday We had our company all hands meeting and I was still kind of And uh, it's so my voice is recovering from the last week if you watch my videos on dns I had I had the cold while I did the dns videos So I can't just sit still I was like I So many people asked me to redo the dns video. So I did them I have a vlan video with maker tick. I did it. I don't feel like doing it again Like I did it once it actually hasn't changed that video is Accurate today as it was yesterday or two years ago when I did it So there's it's not a video that I would revisit You know if I has major problems with switching profiles. No, they changed them I don't know why So I do need to do an updated video on that that if I have time maybe tomorrow I'll do an updated video on The unified switching profiles. I was hoping maybe they would change it back But they seem to have stuck with a different way of doing it which invalidates It doesn't really invalidate. It makes it more challenging to watch my old videos because they modified the menus Why change something that you had for years? So yeah um Rancher harvester. I don't use rancher harvester. So not likely to make any content on it You know, the thing is I I really I have a long to-do list If I ever run out of that to-do list I will look for things like that The challenge is that when I don't use it it becomes You know, like so j sometimes will do something uh j from monolithic cv. He'll make a video on something He's not familiar with by the way He finds a sponsor because he has to sit down and learn it and when he has to sit down to learn it Someone's got to pay him for his time and then the time to produce that video in an accurate way So those type of tutorials like if I find enough time Maybe but right now my list of the new videos I want to make on things I do know and don't have to learn fresh Means it's not likely to do it anytime soon I have pf sense running proxmox. It works best if you pass through a network card. Yeah, that that's true That'll at least save some of the headaches That was I was going to mention it too. Uh techno tim does have some really good rancher videos I think Um, he uses it professionally for development like in his day job. That's why he's good at it I know he plays a lot with a lot of those things. So Disable hardware offloading in pf sense. Yeah, and when you virtualize it depending On on where you virtualize it and how you set the network interface up There's different ways you may have to do that to solve that problem. So that's a that's definitely a good tip I've not tested pf sense and proxmox. So That's you know, um I don't know all the tick. I don't I don't know the best tips and tricks I do know if you pass through the network card you solve a lot of the problems Uh, have you employed somebody to manage or make sure you're meeting your goals and other appointments? Uh No, we set a lot of goals as a company. So like business wise we set goals personally I make to-do lists. I never really I've never really had to do that because Like for me personally because for me, I just have this long to-do list and I run at it all the time You know, there's there's a reason there's over 1800 videos on my channel that I made while also running a business and Doing all the things I have now that I've taken a role where I'm not Important is how I describe myself. Uh, I'm not a critical I am a leadership role at C and if you are but I am not The critical one. I am the media creation guy now um, then I still have some ownership in it, but I'm still not I mean we're set goals for what we want tom to get done as a company So I'm aligned with what we're doing but It's not something I really needed but it can be a really helpful tool Which you usually you might be looking for as an accountability partner that works for a lot of people where you just have someone that you Both holds yourself accountable to I've known a lot of people that have You know cited as a really big reason for their success. I don't just mean in business. I mean just technical people I content creators, you know, I got some other content friends that they have accountability partners is just a big piece of it for them, uh to You know keep them moving forward What password storage vendor do you recommend? uh I like bit warden bit warden's my go-to Using hyper v. I had zero issues with pf sense pf sense as an odd bug doesn't support srv vfs from x520, huh? Detect him to him quit his job go youtube full time. I don't think he has I talked to him around I I talked to him pretty regular But I've never really asked him if he still works or not he less I mean it's been a little bit since I've asked him about his job. I know he works as a developer Um, I don't know if he's gone youtube full time Talking about a hiring a board to guide the business I mean we got about a 30 employees We are the board. Uh, I'm partly we call it the leadership team not really a board I guess it depends on what your needs are I don't know. I don't have it. So it as it relates to me the answer is no By the way, we work any word on it. I want to make alias ports with pf sense ports do network I don't I have posts in their forums. I'm not aware of any problem with it accountability, buddy Can you do a video discussing exploits and various isp modems? Um, I don't think it'd be interesting I mean you look them up. There's always there's different ones out there. Hopefully they're patched Uh, what do you do when a client ceo insists on running software to have 35 hits on virus total for ransomware? Uh, give in section off the endpoint block. Yeah, we block Yeah, we just tell people we can't do that. Um, what did what did someone want to do the other day? It was actually kind of funny. I the site they wanted blocked was a um We got a request to block a site. We just laughed. It was a torrenting site. I'm almost positive We're like, no Sorry, there's not an exception to that rule I have windows ad set up behind pf sense farewell. How do I enable pf blocker ng? So my domain dns server passes traffic to pf sense pi whole dns request You have windows ad server Um, I don't feel like making the windows active directory It's you can google how to do this you can tell windows not to queer to query like specifically a pf sense There's a way you can change where ad the windows ad server queries. So it can be done It's it's not hard to google. I don't think I'm gonna do a video on it We'll roll a ch break every firewall that blocks ch possibly It'll be a mess Yeah, engineers will be scrambling to figure it out. You're right. It'll it'll be just I think we'll just go with that Ha ha ha Anyone knowing the capability to have tcp and udp with different ports the same rule will be available in pf sets Different ports I don't understand what you're trying to do Why would you just create different rules that throw on different ports? I don't know why you'd want to combine it Did I understand correctly you're responsible for your customer's backup? So if your data's are recoverable, you're reliable from my point of view in germany. This is hardly conceivable Um, I think would hurt our relationship with them if they As they have been paying us to back their data up and assuming we're doing it That's why like they pay us money to do a task. So we would be in trouble if We couldn't restore that data that they have paid us to be the steward of so it You know, there would be some legal liability because you if you say you're The maintainer of the data and you're backing it up and suddenly you're not That's how you'd be in a Legal trouble what gets worse here in the u.s. Is they're sorting out the laws some of this has been shot down But they actually at one point wanted to Make it companies even more liable just for any of the problems with these businesses and we're like no We can't just be liable for their ineptitude because like we do everything we can to protect a business But if someone goes around doing something that causes some of their problems I can only put bumper bumpers around them so much But generally speaking if you've been contracted to do a thing you should have done the thing And then we have insurance policies on top of that. So let's say Um, the ransomware operators were able to destroy backups. This is actually something that does happen And that point you're going well, you know, this happened and next thing, you know, you're going well I guess we're just going to do an insurance claim. So you'll still compensate them not with their backups But you'll compensate them monetarily. Uh, it's one of those worst case scenarios. You hope never happens I see a lot talk about tail scale what happened to zero tier I think zero tier stayed a good product and it's still the same product. It was several years ago It's still popular but tail scale just got the phone app working really well a lot of people use mobile They had nice integration everywhere. They had a really nice website Um for managing it that just was really slick and it made everybody happy Like they just did such a smooth job on it Lawrence gives his all hands meeting from his uh 200 acre Offsite winery actually Who wants to see I'll show a couple photos here. Um, let me make sure there's nothing in these that I Can't show those are enough wide angle enough But uh, if you're wondering this is what the cnwr offices look like I'm I'm working on a whole tour of our office We're going to be remodeling the south gate offices and changing them up But the cnwr offices are uh, this was just built this year The cnwr only moved into this roughly january. I think it's february of 2023. So earlier earlier this year Um, there's we got about 5 000 square feet on each floor and we have well We've got a top floor which is this floor and we have a second floor which is not finished yet But I did a whole tour. I just recorded it just yesterday and Maybe I'll get that done pretty soon for those of you interested in what the office our office building looks like With all the staff and everything in it We also have a um Let me see if I got a good picture of it This we got a good lab area too So this is the uh lab area we have at cnwr. There's that big beast of a server Uh that we have there so it's uh, you know, we it's a nice building. It's actually it needs more personality So anything it's missing because we haven't been there long enough to really put some cool stuff on the wall and add some personality What are your chances? Are you showing a brief of your to-do list? I can share that Let me figure out Because it's in it's in my uh, I use that zettler tool. Hold on. We find tom's to-do list Oh, it's full of profanity though. Hold on. I don't know if that's good. I'll read it Um updated video on el nav getting started with pf sense 2023 getting started with xcp and g 2023 Which by the way, I should just change you to 2024 Back up and restore of churnass pf sense stort pf sense for msp pf sense for infosec professionals uh Business basic business setup for pf sense for 2023 Unifies I did multi actually I I have it for unify for msp But I did one on how to do a multi controller, which was the part two of that one Part one was just going to be using it in msp. I want to do a new syncing video. Um Me and jason slager are going to work on a vmware and xcp and g video and a migration video for those Beginners guide the churnass scale And what else was I gonna in there? I actually I can take this one off I did how to change the arc size so that's one I can knock off up here and I think those are the Those are the top ones. There's a lot of notes on F and do this and I should f and do that If the us ever got gd pair equivalent, it would call havoc. Yes Like you're not enterprises block quick and Man in middle of traffic and he will for years to come. Yeah, they're just going to be switching how they do it They're going to start you loading agents on the desktops as opposed to Certificates, I think that's where the future is Thanks for the accountability partner idea. Hey Uh, do you do consulting outside the us or yeah, yes, we do we consult all over the place Uh, we got clients in australia france. What's your up? Uh, we've done Trying to think I know I consulted with a couple There's a couple of them in like egypt. I think it was Uh, it was it was actually just on a storage server, but it was you know, they were really nice to talk to They're in everywhere I've talked to everyone starts by oh, I'm apologizing for my english. Why your english is amazing You're more articulate than I am Got a 3d print more lts logos. Yes You're taking over the company right that is added or is it going to be renamed? It's more complicated than that because I can't do things simple So what happened is I split laurence systems. I talked about this on my merger video I peeled laurence systems in pieces So laurence systems is in s corp that's been around for 20 years started in 2003 It is my name's sake because i'm not clever with names. That's why it's called laurence systems It just took my last name What I did was I took all my contracts all my it services I signed a non-compete and I put them into c n w r that includes all the staff and everything like everything went over there The non-compete says hey, you can't do it consulting under the brand laurence systems blah blah blah You know the usual legal stuff, but I retain rights to the youtube channel That's why I didn't I didn't dissolve laurence systems because I wanted it to well it also for legal reasons and tax reasons Laurence systems is where the revenue source for all the youtube stuff comes into So rather than try to establish a new company and rebrand all of it. I just kept the legal name Which is what made the deal take longer because the lawyers did their due diligence and tried to You know wanted to lock all this up So the deal is kind of complicated from that but in the end I traded all of that for a piece of ownership in c n w r But I am not the president or the majority shareholder of c n w r. That would be our friend jason sliggle He is the president of c n w r. So that's why it's a little bit different of a deal Um than a normal it's not like a sale or an absorption and you know together We actually found one our cultures were extremely good. They Really complimented each other. We both have me and jason personally share a passion for tech a passion for Doing a lot of these talks public speaking jason's doing it more Direct and in person speaking at hacking conferences or it conferences. So it's why we we got along really well before We knew each other for a couple years and I approached him and said this is what I'd like to do and it's worked out really well so it's c n w r now is all where the it services land and laurance systems is technically just a media creation company but I own this laurance systems and I am a You know part owner of c n w r and I still do consulting and technical work under the c n w r hopefully that's uh Hopefully that makes enough sense and answered the question for you. I don't mind talking about it at all We talked about it quite a bit on business technicalities You'll find a link down below to our business channel Where we just deep dive on this and we have a video coming up uh in the next week I didn't we just recorded it. It just got to get published on our all hands meeting We just did so we talked about how we deal with engage our staff How we you know set our goals for the company and uh, it's it's a good topic You're in tulito. I thought you were in south detroit c n w r is located in tulito We call it our south gate office, but that's the detroit office. So we have We kept the detroit office or Technically we're in the suburbs, which is south gate michigan. So laurance systems that now is c n w r the building We had over on pennsylvania have I say had because it's laurance had at c n w r has it now. So the building still exists. We have our staff at the South gate office sometimes who's calling the south gate staff And then we have our tulito people and the building is in tulito proper for the c n w r Uh, ninja one is generally for like clients or that are clients and things like that that we monitor I'm actually super stoked to see what happens. Uh when lsnc sw in the west michigan area There's so many companies that have been doing kind of mad work for years There's a lot of The mediocre msp's out there You know, it's an information security video. Yeah talking about pf sense for infosec I've actually worked with infosec people setting up their pf senses. So I want to talk about why it's popular What they do with it how they carve out data with it. Um, so yeah, it definitely pf sense for infosec I think it's going to be a good topic Oh, you missed the merger video. Yeah, I I didn't post as much about the business side I'd really try to focus the technical side on here. So no apologies. There's only one video Talking about the merger That makes a lot of sense. It is not one of our systems and the other company is managing now. Yeah He sold sold his employees. I mean I wouldn't really consider them a sale. They were all offered And got raises and everything else. So it's not exactly they did not Have to go to the new company, but they were offered quite the good deal to go there And that was that was an aspect of it. Um, that was important that they all had really good offers Bonuses pay raises things like that that all came included Uh with their migration, uh to the other ones I did the merger thing it ended in a crash and burned. It cost a lot in lawyers Uh, we're 90 we're past the 90 day mark. Uh, there's no issues at all. So it's actually gone swimmingly well I do like the explanation better than mumbo jumbo Our system is a fine name. It has a ring to it. Differently by creating separate entities is normal recommend me to get big enough It's a sign of success. Yeah um For now, it's just simpler to keep the well part of it too if I would it it would have more complicated Like I said to rebrand everything. That's why I just kept the warrant systems Uh, what do we use for telephony? We actually in the back end are using a company called OIT. So we use a hosted pbx system. We're not we we got away from free pbx Have you had a chance to check out the security in 2.4? Oh, I That is that I didn't get that is further down on my list I just didn't want to say it because someone go when's the security thing in video You know, I've actually built a server and loaded it and then I forgot to hook it up Uh, I didn't forget. I just got sidetracked, but hopefully soon Some mergers are awesome. Others are actual hell. Yeah If you're not a culture fit, there was actually several offers people had given me that I wasn't interested in they weren't for me and It it was culture first more than anything else like how is this a good culture fit? Well, all these people get along matter of fact The video that I probably should do on business technicalities is There's no way to really play this but there's two ways a lot of times people find out about the merger When it happens We engaged both of us me and jason on each of our teams when they were separate We actually let the employees know what we were working towards We actually they were in on the deal and how we were building it So this was not a surprise to the people that worked on either side What we are working towards and I believe at one point we even hung out together before the merger We all went and visited each other So we tried to be transparent with the staff as we knew that was an important aspect of it But me and jason being friends for a while before and really understanding each other's business pretty well Um made made a big difference and friendship is is only a small piece of it The bigger and way more important than friendship is respect for the others business And I say it like that Because I have a lot of people I'm friends with that I could never ever be in business with like I do not respect their business decisions I am friends with them, but they are not people I would work with So I it's you know friends is a good thing But the respects you have for each other and understanding each other's business is a really key feature And culture too because if you don't believe in the same things In terms of the way you want to go about it about it You then have a culture clash where? Well, the dominant culture is going to do it the way it's been done So the fact that we kind of did a lot of the same things even things like sonology We we were additive to uh a couple extra things they they weren't as much into but they were somewhat familiar with them So it wasn't it wasn't a change that much for them to start using some of the tools that we use And we've actually enjoyed learning all the tools they use so it's a lot of fun Because I was saying uh, you don't have to go home. You don't get out of here Didn't have to go to a new company, but they had I mean I wouldn't say they had no job without me. Um Technicians are quite employable. So I'm I don't feel anyone uh Was so forced into this and there was Right even today 90s after the merger the economic situation is lots of places are still hiring for experience tax We you know care about the technicians that work for us. We try to treat them very well because we know Any if there wasn't we still like to treat people well But we we know that if someone leaves they can bounce and sometimes people do leave and go somewhere else um Kind of unexpectedly someone and it was unrelated to the merger because it's happened to leave just before the merger Someone did leave but it's like easy for people to bounce job With all the job opportunities in tech right now if you're an experienced You know level two or level three tech wandering off somewhere else with a strong experience It's you can get a job somewhere, you know I was in over a year and I've discovered a lot of accounting irregularities So this is my second time. I I acquired another company and yes, there were accounting irregularities Lots of them. So, you know my 2006 Uh, but that was that was not a good merger. That was a mess With anything there's going to be some speed bumps for sure, uh, but it's all in the merger and all transition has been good and fun Travis isn't You know employee of uh was started at large systems and wanted to see nwr. So he's completely aware Yes free pbx Had a nasty one. They did not react to that for sure sucked Yeah, we were bought by now if you get bought by a vc firm My thoughts are with you. Uh I've known several people who worked at places not just in the it services space But uh, even in the corporate it world once a vc firm starts buying you. Yeah, that's If if that's what occurred. Yes That can be messy for sure Free px hasn't been updated in years and goma leaves it to the back burner. Yep. This is true How do you find your employees, uh I found one of them at a flower shop I found I found them all over the place. Um, sometimes they apply for a job. Sometimes there's a person I know it's there's there's a Giant wandering inconsistent story how I found all the other people that that work there One person I even one people jason has the same stories. Uh, one of them worked at a print shop and happened to Understand kubernetes or something like that. There was there's there's always unusual stories. They're all over the place sometimes it's from applying sometimes it's from going to events and If you go to the big it events, maybe you meet people you know, it's The hardest way to do it is the blind hires. Um, those are the always the the The more fraught ones like we decided a salesperson, but once again, how do we find the salesperson? Well, we put it out there, but it turned out someone we knew When we personally had mentioned it on our socials said, oh, you're hiring for sales I'd like to work there. There was somebody actually had a personal connection with and we go We didn't know you wanted to work in it and uh, she's been a rock star She's just started not that long ago and she's you know Making deals and closing things. So that's kind of cool and you find someone who You know, maybe pivots in training people offering training opportunities if you can hire for drive and You know, good personality and good culture fit and then train them. That's a great way to do it as well Or at least it wasn't subscribed to the biz channel now. I am and all caught up. Awesome Yeah, tech jobs and Michigan Michigan's a hot habit in place still everywhere is really Hey db tech Hopefully things are going well Good. Oh crap. Nice little water I'll be things are good on your side of the world You're a few a couple time zones over and we spilled a little bit of water Now there's a clean spot on my desk Actually, I got to fix my My little coasters here They're a little what happens is the coaster is sticky and I go to move them And then I accidentally fall on me and I shake and then I spill the water but That happens sometimes. Hopefully your day is going well If you're not following db tech's channel go and check them out and subscribe I found him because he had some you know, when I first met him He had some just really good videos on I think it was a lot of docker things So the first stuff I discovered but he's a great tech youtuber and Yeah, this another we we have a group we formed of other tech creators that we We consider ourselves in a similar category. You got like Wendell Jeff Geerling db tech radow the techno tim, you know, uh christian lempa There's a lot of us that have a chris from crosstalk solutions craft computing Or as we started calling him the other Jeff and We're a bunch of creators who really care about teaching the community things So db tech's definitely among those creators and I think I'm the one that reached out to invite them over to our little We have a discord and there's I think one of the things about the discord We were talking about this with some friends. We try to keep it Um, we it's just a private discord where we can talk about creating tech content in I'll set her in the same category. One of the things I think that's brought some success to it Is the fact that we're doing it on a small basis We don't want I mean don't could be wrong. I love all the other creators that do all kinds of neat things But we're trying to keep it to people that we can really go back and forth and discuss that are in the kind of niche And it's almost funny because I think anytime I look in the suggested channels Like there's a little spot in youtube that says your audience also watches It's like all the same people that are in discord with me Oh, let's see What are you getting some hot sauce to the day merch? I'm working on that Uh, mergers can be great when it's open when it's all hidden and dumped on the employees. It's never a fun experience. Yeah Yep, chris did a great video on that. Um free pbx breach. He nailed it If you haven't watched this chris's video on the breach do watch chris from crosstalk's video on the breach Do you have anyone going to dev ops days to trite next week? I do not What are alternatives to free pbx unfortunately, I don't know I don't know what's what's still supported as an alternative the free pbx. That's actually where the problem is There's not much competition in that space anymore You know it cooled no drinking in the studio Uh, yeah, probably Any cool videos coming up more in that in a minute when I catch up on these comments How do you know when your home wraps up needs a rack? What when you run out of floor space and you realize it has to go vertical Or you'll never be able to get all the wires together. Uh, it's kind of a you'll know it when you see it because it'll be um The mess Then you'll go I guess I need a rack Red shirt jeff. Yes, there's also a red shirt jeff in there Even the side of the pond a demand for a good experience. Texas high province finding them is It's hard finding good technicians is It's a challenge that there's one of the reasons I I even started a youtube channel was I just think more people need to know about tech And I didn't do this like so I could find employees. That wasn't the purpose. I just think In general if you go around and you look at the problems and you think about how do you solve a problem? How do you solve a problem at scale? And I get to hang out with over the years. I'm just really inspiring people That I've met and it's one of those, you know, they kind of that they ask that question a lot And I asked myself that question. Well, what can I do? You know, what is it that can have some more impact? I'm not trying to say I'm so incredibly smart or something like that But it's just something I thought about going I could probably Talked about technology and create tutorials for things and put them on youtube and uh, I did public speaking before so that's a lot of what Got me into it just to get more people interested and I always encourage more people to do this So I subscribed to all those channels mentioned with a good taste Okay, so I did reach out to you. I thought so as I reach out to and talk to a lot of people But I'm pretty sure you were one of the ones that reached out to Grandstream pbx devices are nice. Um I would the reason I don't say grand stream versus free pbx is to my knowledge and correct me if I'm wrong uh Grandstream is not open source and usually if someone's asking about free pbx or looking for an open source pbx solution So but yeah, there's also I mean, there are other Voight products out there grand stream being among them Uh, I got myself an industry luck troubleshooting system business while working with it department engineers for moving it or you know So i'm riding my bicycle down the street Like literally riding a bicycle and someone says hey, tom Which of course made me stop turned out someone had been watching my channel lived in michigan and I inspired them to Get into tech a lot more and they went from working in manufacturing to working in tech to making a lot of money doing really well Doing cyber security stuff. So um, it's fun when I meet people that tell me that like hey You help me solve the first couple things that got my foot in the door. I think that's amazing So I always like hearing that one uh You know people are gets people excited in the tech What is discord? Sorry, your live is the only form of social media having to do with uh, discord's a social Chat platform, I guess I don't use it that much I would love to get a tech tuning, but I don't have the personality for it and it it is a strange combination of needing to be able to produce content script it understand something about the technical cameras and things like that and then also Um, because I'm answering this question. I'm not the wrong question up Have a way that you put some enthusiasm into it and That is a it is a weird skills combination I actually listen to an interview with michael reeves if you don't know who michael reeves is Look him up his youtube channel is pretty amazing He's a fun combination of a lot of personality But some also really interesting engineering ideas that he walks people through with his videos in the most humorous way possible and uh It is interesting the weird combination of it Uh, do you think that entry level tech positions are a lot more scarce? uh I would say the bar might have been raised a little bit might be I I think they want you to know more coming in we do um, but You know, there's still Yeah, there's still a lot I don't know. I don't think about because most of the time We're always looking for the higher end if we're looking for someone we're not I don't think we're looking I don't think we have any entry level positions open Do you have a preference for rack mount ups? I did a video about ups. Watch that video. Um, I can't write the name of the ones I like um The I actually I like a few different ones. I don't have one only one brand so I'm not interested in unify phones Ever seen software to find routing switching platforms bios to others or production large scale. Yes I don't manage them. I'm not an expert at them Have I seen them? Yeah, sometimes we consult with companies that have these installed. Um, My job doesn't involve messing with that. I just know that they're there Uh, we just started an msp in january your chance been pitiful for uh, starting us a three-man team It's been baptism by fire for 25 year olds Uh, are you watching my business technicality channel? We dump a lot of business msp insight on there So, uh, check out the lorns dot video slash biz for the business technicality channel So they're not open source, but they bake in some open source on the back end of grand stream. Okay I absolutely learned a lot of really great solutions. Um I'm spending what I need to learn by following you. I try to keep my skills fresh with my home lab Um, awesome. Glad it was very helpful Talking about security. I know you sent a one plus huntress. Are those products so good? Are you guys looking at our solutions? I am no, I know what hematol is. I have no interest in hematol. Um, So I'm just continuing to use Uh Sentinel wanted huntress. I know the people that work at huntress huntress is my go-to stop all Best people out there for uh doing things no interest though in hematol. I'm I'm aware of it I think they're based out of europe somewhere Eaton are nice too. Yes Eaton, uh, upsus Beb ties and by fire is the way to stay alive You know When are we getting the unreal server going? You know, I have not even I've only been playing retro games. I talked about this, uh last week it's Well, no not last week just thursday outside of playing this retro game And I mean literally like not a bunch of games mostly this game Yeah, I haven't been uh, I haven't been doing too much Uh gaming so I admit been in texas 94 worked for three cyber security companies In action firewall and learn tailscale from you Beer is for you this beer is for you. You know, I was just thinking about it. I need a drink and it's uh 830 eastern time and If all these people I don't mind. I'm just going to pause the stream while I go get a drink Who said I said correct me if I'm wrong in a willy how up here Does grand stream give you the source code? I'm not saying they're not based on open source But do they give you the source code? I guess would be my question could I run Grandstream without any grand stream hardware for example because give me the source code but only works in their hardware is also a different thing Which flavor is set on one do you recommend using the huntress? Do you think huntress with just offenders good enough huntress is just a fender is a maybe? Uh, I'm not sold on it just yet, but um I would we run vigilance ourselves, but I think there might be a future where we only run huntress, but that future's not today Wait, there are companies that honors gpl That that's that's the most shocking thing I've seen today There's there's any company honoring gpl Yeah, we can chat offline about it. No, I'm I I will by the way, if any of you don't know willy how is the knows more about grand stream than me buy a lot Look up willy how's channel and you can learn about grand stream as an alternative to free pbx and the uh, well We'll just call it poor security updates now something else that I know willy should know you're with is uh, Some whiskey and actually that's what I want to do is get a little whiskey to drink to continue this live stream whiskey would make my voice better Or at least I I don't know if it really make it better. So Uh, what avi ediard web filter does c and w r use? They happen to use the same ones as we they moved to zeros. They were they were using Uh, dns filter and they moved to zeros because zeros is better So they use the same things we use alec In a business environment, do you scan your clients nas for malicious files? You don't usually load it on the nas you manage it with the server um As part of the security stack. So it's not like you're looking for malicious files on the nas You're monitoring the endpoints and stopping them before they put something malicious on the nas What do you need a load balancer for? I mean in gen X. There's a good answer. So it started. I usually start with what you're trying to do I'm drinking some cash strength stuff now. You know, um Let's pull this up real quick here See if we can find this I do have some of this. Do you have an opinion on that Any opinions on that willy willy's aficionado and a lot of this stuff Oh, we're promised leaks and upcoming videos. Yes Thanks for your p.m. Since uh videos from my home. You definitely have the best intro sometimes I feel you talk fast for a while trying to deserve being said that's yeah Yeah Yeah, break out that that van winkles good It is good stuff. I actually there's not that much of the bottle left I started a company that has uh five two terabyte and uh Have two 15 terabyte network shortage. That's so crazy. Yeah, this was my um Spinning off signing off tonight. Hey, absolutely. Take care. I like Uh, I'm out of tea. That's why I'm moving to whiskey I had hot tea when we started but we started an hour and 30 minutes ago. What I'm going to do is I made a little, um Be back soon thing. So I'm going to spin that because I will be back soon I just got to go uh upstairs and go grab my whiskey and uh, then I'm going to continue I don't have a time limit on my live stream. So I keep throwing questions at me and I'll As soon as I get back, I'm going to jump into the sneak peek of uh, the office tour video and the server video So let me find out how to do the Where's the button for the overlay? All right, now I'm going to fire off the be right back overlay So I'm going to hit mute All right Let's go all the way back here. Someone had an IPv6 problem. I don't use IPv6. So I'll answer that as I don't, you might be missing something, but um, yes, that's I didn't realize I hit the mute button when I got up Uh, we are switching to ninja rmm after enable, uh, how was your experience? We still love ninja, ninja's great I should have started with that intro Your psense views gave me what I needed to get set up at home I was able to show this up to customer security. I've now installed for business. Have another plant awesome Uh, no, I don't want it in this office because I want it quiet. There's one I have I don't know if I have a big This is just a small little my studio is decent size. There's an entire we're building a bar and everything on the other side of the wall We got a pool table There's actually a lot Let me find it and if I can show you what I'm I think I have this as a photo Or is it in there? here this it's not finished, but I'll Share this with you. This is on the other side of the wall for me This is the other part that we we we still need to build a bar on the other side But yes, there's there's actually a fridge and a bunch of stuff over there. So, um I don't want it in here. No sound. No sound. I'm catching up with all of it. Mike. It's muted This is a good time for a good ride. All right. Enjoy the silence Sound back Don't mind those signal messages. Yeah, I think true nasty scale You know how many I There's I know how many people I know on signal watch my live stream I would say sure nas as a nas is very reliable. It's the other functionality that has a problem But as a nas it's very functional You literally just said and forget it's usually pretty sure for usually what specifically Singles me saying no sound Kegulated under the desk First time catching you live low watching content always something cool to learn keep up the great work. Well, thank you very much So now we have to see drunk tom. No What do we have to oh, what do you have to do to see drunk drum? You don't time doesn't get drunk Like I sip whiskey sip a little bit, but I don't I I don't remember last time I actually It's probably been since I got like a little bit like I drank a little too much somewhere Um, it's been a while. I just don't drink much Laughing at how many signal messages I have Is it Is that the same one? What do you okay? That's a different one at first I was like, wait, will you you have the same one will you just sent me a picture of what he was drinking? I Do you ever had an IP cam at a brand that you saw calling home when the assumption it would not do it I don't know. I don't I don't even with the amp crest ones. I don't put them online So I never pay attention to what they try to do because they're blocked Uh, do you guys have in-house power shell scripts? So we're gonna shop and been the only business management guy ended up having to write a lot of my own scripts because they were Overloaded. Yeah, we do Hmm What's the device in the thumbnail? Uh, that is It's a company I never used Uh, jason at cwr used to use this. This was Perch security This was a tool they used to use and these were the hardware devices That came with them. They were security monitoring tool that did network monitoring and this was the hardware devices that you plugged in Um, it was when I recorded it. It's just the kaspersky labs thing so Time doesn't get drunk sips whiskey. I know when to stop sipping whiskey. That's the important part You should come out to beers with their engineers usually in southfield. Send me an invite. I uh, I will go out with beers and engineers I do venture out. I uh Sometimes go to mi sec meetings. I'm kind of hit and miss but southfield's not a far drive You'll actually find me if you're looking for local events for you to find tom It in the d I will go to some of those events as well Um, I picked up a true nascale for noise capability and natural functionality. I have vms and containers on a proxmox cluster Drunk live stream setting up pf sets. There's an interesting video not on my to-do list maybe You see a future with other options and phones where they don't collect every scrap of data. They are able to That's just a business model until there's laws that start restricting it. Um, and better competition laws It's a very complicated slippery. So but there's a book you can read called Uh, how to seize the means of computation by kori doctor a great book Good read it lets you get a better understanding of some of the challenges. We're having around it Uh, I I was a backer on that book on Kickstarter. Absolutely loved it Um, two mass mini mass with at least four ssds, but never find a right one uh There's What's his name? Well, he was just at the top of brian moses. This is his name Uh, to do to do to do. I thought I retweeted it Did I retweet it recently? Maybe maybe Well, I'll find it. Hold on. I'm gonna share. I'm gonna share it with you. There's actually a really good nasc build brian moses has I'll just Just drop it on here, but uh, look at brian moses true nasc He's got a blog where he writes up, uh, different true nasc budget builds We should post more on github. I we don't have a problem posting on github. I don't think we have it on github though Oh, uh in kompa tech uh james mccloud In kompa tech. He's on youtube. I credited him if you actually, um, I guess you have to scroll back to that part of the stream, but in kompa tech does a bunch of uh, free Creative commons music. I add as long as you give them an attribute. So There's a b sides. Oh and unfortunately you can't make it. That's too bad Tractor and heavy equipment reviews You said not to route true nasc traffic between multiple servers p2p with Deck what switch you suggest 10 gig plus for nasc traffic. I mean Any 10 gig switch will do nasc traffic? Uh, let's drink and deploy. Oh, that's a good that's a good topic A secure phone pixel phone running, uh graphene. Yeah, I mean there's options But it's trading off that usability of things random questions a situation where you'd recommend vmware esx Over xcp. They are currently looking to move xcg from a fair size vmware just wanted your thoughts If they're needing certain functions in it that are unique to it Like some of the v like we have a client. Um, well, they're actually moving off of it But they're using like vmware horizon integration There's not a there's not a one-to-one equivalent in xcp and g to the vmware horizon server So if the features don't line up It's really kind of as simple as that. Do they have the features we consulted with someone else who's using I think it's called del vx rails. They're del servers that were shipped from day one with vmware They want to know if they can load xcp and g and i'm i said, I don't know You're gonna have to and they only they don't have any extras So they have to take one out of production a test and they didn't really like that idea But I said if I used one on ebay, I don't know So sometimes there's times I said you may want to stay here if you don't have the migration path But yeah Fellow sponsoring besides have done tons of research into industrial device security. Oh, it's always fun I did not crowdfund the zima blades. Um Did not get into that part. Uh, moses has this cheap free nas giveaway going to yes So there's a potential you could get a free uh a free free nas true nas Oh, let's see Oh, yeah, the tractor's in right to repair Yep, vmware creates special isos with the drivers for those servers Your that was one of the things I looked up and we talked to them about it and I It's a I said it's kind of a hacky experiment. So Yeah, I said you're I said you're just gonna have to take one out of production pop the drives out So you have a backup and go from there now. Let's talk about the sneak peek. So there's a couple things we can talk about here Let me see how much of this can I show? Well, I'll I'll throw this up there because people love when I talk about proxmox But proxmox We are loading This is some of the close-ups we were But this is the server we um We're taking apart. It's got One and a half terabytes of ram in it. So you're doing a whole video on this. Uh, I might if I get time I might do the video tomorrow See if I got a better picture that I can show It's kind of cool how the backplane comes out of it Yeah, I'll be doing the uh Hey, how's it going? I know who I know who you are computer pro over in saginaw um the Unify video review. I want to do a comparison. We sell way more synology than unify by a lot Partly because unify was out of stock partly because Synology has more features than unify But I don't think unify is a bad solution. We have a customer requested it. So we have a unify build and uh, Yeah, absolutely This is going to be Well, this only got posted yesterday because this this is one this happened But then are you already talking about the unify stuff which? Yeah, this is the video. This is the couple photos I took Of some of the cameras we're setting up So yeah, this is the uh unify. Oh, don't worry that phone numbers are phone number So if anyone goes time you expose the phone number, it's my office phone number. It's also on my website. So But uh, Nonetheless, we are I want to do a video an updated video comparing this so that's maybe next week I'll get that done. I got a lot to do but that is on my to-do list Why are you talking about proxmox? Lawrence has done videos on the generally superior Yep, nice starter numbers one and a half terabytes of ram Random question number two is there a particular linux server variant distribution you like or also looking at linux server platform standardized on I'm really a fan of Debian That's my go-to for servers has been for a while a bunch who's not bad We've got plenty of a bunch of ones out there. So I should do a 24 hour live stream. I don't last 24 hours, and I'm not that interesting while I sleep I don't think I'm interesting while I sleep. I have no idea. I don't really know what I do when I sleep What are my thoughts on crosstalk? Chris did a great job on the video and Free pvx is not in good shape. Those are the best things I can really say. There's nothing It's just unfortunate That that Free pvx has fallen. I guess you could say Quite far if you will on and how things are going It's not good. The free pvx situation is a bad situation Yeah, the other video stuff that I'll be doing so besides the big server the other video reveal if you will is Just showing I'm going to do a whole video and walk through for the CNWR. This is like one of our conference rooms. We have a it's a nice building We have and I just show people this is where we work for those wondering and we're remodeling the south gate office Soon enough because I it's been years since I've done a video on south gate because it hasn't changed much Until now and now it's a mess because it's like everything's got to be updated So this is like our main headquarters for CNWR Is the Toledo office? So I'll be doing a walkthrough of that What else is there? Oh, I have I also have a part of the videos I did Where's it at here? Part of the office is under construction I also went through the graveyard Get sitting here in four gates uh old things power edge We were digging through all the old things that we have in the basement. So this will be part of the video I share too So lots of lots of old fun stuff Though I'll include that in some of the video just us digging around through all of it Yeah, we have a whole Walkthrough we'll do with the basement and everything else me and Jason. This is the the bottom floor of the building I thought to me, this is the interesting part. This is where all the things go This is all remodeling progress No employees are down in the basement. There's some server stuff and uh things that need to be organized Yes Yeah, yeah, we have an old portmaster. Yes, you recognized it too. There's The meek retic is in the old things pile. Yes, it is an old cloud router Uh, so that video you showed that in front of the office is that office gone? No, um That office is still it's still there Matter of fact right now this is today I think today Hold on. I should have a couple more photos No, I'm not worried about that. Um Why is it Thought I took some pictures today Maybe I didn't I thought I swear I took a photo today Huh weird So I thought I took a picture today of the Southgate offices. Oh, I did I took a video This is what the southgate office looks like today So it's just we have so many projects jammed into southgate We need to start we we got overload. We have so many we have this many projects going on at the building between the two businesses So these are all customer projects that got to be delivered. So there's just so much going on there But yeah, we have the southgate office. Um, that's our original office and then cnwr is a big 5000 It's over 5000 square feet on like each floor of the cnwr offices. So we're going to do a whole Video on all of that, you know, just a nice walk through for people wondering Where we work and what it looks like there Are you big on remote work from home to me offices are going old-fashioned unless you need a group collaboration Even then it's rarity It's a mix not all of our staff come in and they don't have to some like to come in. I've realized it's more About having the option to there's Some things that you lose in a In the in the zoom world, I guess you can call it or the non face-to-face world But it depends on the person it really depends from person to person. So I think having both options is what's really important and what Working around what works for them. So some people work mostly From home and it's that works perfectly fine. I work from home and I work remotely and I'm perfectly fine with that But when I go in I like I actually don't work when I go in if I go to the office It's usually to socialize with people and have interactions. So yeah, it's It's not one or the other It was to say it's not like one is exclusive to the other You just kind of work around the the different styles and what works I think hybrid is here to stay more than one or the other Clean pictures no dirty pictures So I plan on separating my network in multiple vlan How many vlands are most common in enterprise? You know, you can read an article about how nasa had a massive flat network Most home labs have more vlands than enterprise networks. How's that? So there's not like a commonality on there maximum number Usually home users who want to buy consulting to have me set up like 50 vlands for things That's more common Then then businesses that do Businesses you kind of have to push them towards securing things home users are like I think every device I have should have its own vlan And then I need a series of rules in between them So yeah, it's actually It's unfortunate if it when it's up to us we set it up properly. You only need a few different ones I actually like the my friend works for a medical facility and I think they have four Inter big for but they just divided into four separate networks and that was enough for what they needed I want to set up a cluster my home network with kubernetes. What hardware would you recommend for under a thousand euros? you know those little The zima boards are probably among there. I don't know what the prices translate to in europe to be honest But the little zima boards are pretty affordable. They're very reliable. That's an option The I did a review of some of those ace magic boards. I'm pretty sure some of those can be found relatively cheap So those are probably something that would meet your less than a thousand euro price point If my office looked like that I would go in every day Yeah, it ends a lot of old companies never get rid of their old stuff. It is kind of like a museum Oh, yeah, and we have some employees who visit Once every month or two because travis is right. They're they're in another they're two states away Have you thought about a homelab mindset can potentially be dangerous in business critical environment How to navigate a day after mindset over time Not really most you know what homeland people generally Not the guy that that that the homelab her The homelab person who started out today like day one But people who've been homelabbing for a while generally speaking Have a pretty good grasp on security. I have really good conversations with people in the forums and things like that They have really strong grasp on it So I I would actually say once you just reach a mature understanding of technology You can apply those to business matter of fact Usually the aggravation is the other way you have all this deep understanding of technology But you don't have the ability to get people at work to apply it the same way at the same level You know it and it's also challenging because putting Things in at scale like hey, let's you know, we had a project We work with a large company to flatten to I mean, sorry unflatten their network because The previous it people their idea was to just make the subnet bigger That's how they solve the well they kicked the can down the road They didn't solve any problems. They just made a bigger problem and It was a mess. So they just had this giant subnet with like 2000 something devices on it and So it was so much work to sort out everything And reset everything to get it all segmented out properly because there was no concept of separating printers or Workstations or home equipment that was brought in or critical infrastructure equipment It was one giant network and that's a common problem you run into. So it's actually kind of the opposite Someone who had watched my videos said hey my work really needs help. I'm now tasked with helping I really want to do this the other it person has failed enough times that they decided they were done with them And we helped them like parse out the network. So it's yeah, it's the thing You can have a flat network with micro segmentation. So it's possible. Yes, you can you you can even I I did a video on like how to secure your NAS and that concept can go a little further You can have a bunch of devices with their own firewalls and that's pretty good And it's not a bad idea to set that up. So Vlan is a virtual segmentation. Yeah, and it's more than that Vlands are often done out of convenience because if I only have One fiber run that goes from the back of the building to the front of the building But there's different divisions running that should be segmented or different pieces And devices that should be segmented Instead of running a fiber run across the length of the building Vlands are kind of the solution to use a single fiber run and parse it up As opposed to running multiples. But yeah, it really depends on All the details for that Are you an authorised neck eight dealer? So what do you think about their very low margins? I get that money is in the labor but still margins are so low. We are not you will not find us Me or CNW are on the list of dealers. We just never signed up with it. There's no point. I tell people Let's go to neck eight and buy it. There's none of margin in it. You're right. So without enough margin Why do it? Last company I worked at kept a huge flat network to supposedly keep it simple They kept buying faster than it to try and fix Uh, I tried to help but they wanted it simple. Yeah If you had a standalone unified network controller or a usg setup Would you abandon the controller and move to a dream machine? Or keep the controller and go to you xg pro I you know if I were to Have a crystal ball And try to predict with some, you know, I'm still stabbing in the dark I don't really think that they're going to keep pushing the xg pros Much, you know, it seems like all the new features come from the dream machine. So if you're Looking for the all-in-one device. It's going to both Manage your network and your firewall the dream machine is going to be where I think Unifies really if you look at the features you see features come for the dream machine and maybe maybe they'll catch up with the xg Uh pro series. So I would my my money's on they Have it. I mean that thing was in beta for a long time. It got released, but It's not that popular of a device Dude the head of my tea company blocked the use of windows calendar task in the bottom right corner to share Up our no one knows why he did it I didn't even know it was possible anything's possible with group policy Why did the comments jump There's that one That one all right comments like it fluttered Fluttered, I don't know how to describe. I don't know what happened. They moved really fast Waiting for more subs talk about the recommended ipv6 subnet. No I talked about ipv6 Subnating I'd been in a company that implemented vlan's three years later than should have been done My vlan comment was for the homelab. I'm a doubt Never doubt your knowledge Uh Time you mean it. Oh, by the way, always doubt my knowledge. Please call me out on my bs. If there's something tom gets wrong Uh, there could be okay. There will be a future where I'm the old man who doesn't know anymore and That's when people should call me out And then I'll just be the the man ranting at the cloud or whatever it is I do then You know, I noticed that the rye So this is um, this is a rye But I noticed my glass says rye as well. So cool At least I matched even those different ones Uh, have you made a video teaching on how to set up zen orchestra free version? Do you have plans of making a video? Yes, I have I have a video on it's called zen orchestra install updater I have a video on how to build the open source, uh, zen orchestra It it doesn't really need to be updated because it's there's nothing different. I would do today about that video The the only upside is if you do a new video, it shows back up higher in the youtube system because it's not A popular video because it's so niche And doing it again, maybe that would help that it would just be the same video again Thank you for answering questions today. It's greatly appreciated the last round of question. What curb double wide lcd Uh, do you prefer I am this is the Aegon agon. I don't know how to say it uh 49 inch if you Go to Unless you post this link for you This makes it easier. Oh, I'm not signed in For reasons I don't know I think I have in my studio setup. It's in my studio video It takes a second to load this I'll just drop this here within the random collection of links. I have kit dot co slash laurence systems Which has also just been posted to the Chat here, you'll find a list of all the parts and the exact models I bought But I I like the agon 49 inch works. Well me and jay from learning like see you both have the same one Uh, not my channel, but if you like retro technology Uh, this y2 channel that are building 90 style isp. Yes The serial port I started watching some of that There's also There's another youtube channel i've been watching a lot of lately uh that covers i think it's called retro bites Oh, it's so good Um, haven't really used extreme networks. So no real opinions on them. Didn't they aren't they one of the ones that got bought though? aren't they part of Did ruckus get bought by them or did they buy ruckus? I can't remember When you refer to not routing storage, do you recommend dedicating a separate neck for each subnet requiring the storage? Absolutely, this is the best design method that will have the least amount of problems Oh, we will good. I'm I'm so happy people will call me out of my bs. I look forward to that You've been doing this long enough to say you're full of bs. Yes. I've always been transparent that's then like big to me like I'm just me and I always Also, it's like that comment Wow, I made that uh Almost an hour and a half ago What I said isn't always good to look at people and figure out like hey, they may have done a bad thing In 2008. Are they the same person today and reevaluate and also they did a good thing in 2008 and it's 2023 Are they doing a bad thing? This is something where you just have to look at people people change for better for worse and you have to keep Reassessing them. Are they the same person? They were are they progressing or regressing and that can be an ebb and flow There's people who I've had I've had friends that went to a dark place for a while They're not people I would want to be around for a while and today they are again So hey and we do what we can to help them out, but some people also can't be helped out It has nothing to do with like they went to a dark place with drugs. No, no They just became obsessed with things Will this say that I had technical friends that went too deep down the rabbit hole of bitcoin They have now pulled their head out of said rabbit hole and they are much better people today than they were during the era of their love of bitcoin and other Insert mining thing and their obsession with it Have you run long you think for a job and found a kink in one after you're in it Do you have to rerun or can you twist the kink out? You know Twist the kink out test the cable see if the cable has a problem has a problem. You don't really know if it broke Just because it got a little kinked So you want to test the cable you want to make sure the cable so good Excuse me so good. It doesn't have a problem still can transmit data And then from there away you go You should try the ip c6 challenge for your home network. No, I can just tell you no right there I'm not dealing with that headache Vlan versus subnetting is your security difference or is another way to segment network The thing you have to remember about a vlan is you are sharing the cable. You're sharing the port so if One of these ports that you've chose to use here Is sharing with another first you're sharing bandwidth second If someone's on the native vlan and they can see all the other encapsulated traffic That can be a security thing. So there is a security difference when things are physically separated. There's no chance of it Matter of fact, one of the things we've done for a long time We have a separate switch without a vlan on it one of one of our secure networks We just don't vlan it we just we have enough ports on our pf sense that we dedicate our server side network To its own port So you can't make a mistake because someone says when they were looking at my rack video Hey, why is that one switch not unifying like well? It doesn't it doesn't have Unified attached to it because if you were to somehow Get into my unify controller and be able to flip ports around and you know Do something where that would give you a privileged access through there You won't find my server network on that same ability to switch it It's on a switch that has its own separate management user interface But physically separated. So yeah, there is a security benefit to having absolutely dedicated ports What is the last disaster recovery you did for a client? There's always crash servers Solve the database problem for one of them because it was faster than restoring the database That was a fun one. It was we got a guy who's better at databases than anyone I know and We're we were floundering trying to restore it and we're like this is going to take a while because this is all broken It was a calamity of errors that led to it being broken But then the other guy looked at it and goes I can fix that I'm like you can fix this weird old database that runs this giant Warehouse of things that in inventory. He goes. Oh, yeah, watch this and within 10 minutes. He fixed it. So That was a fun one kind of he's similar Hmm So yeah, that's right arrow hive arrow hive was acquired by extreme networks. That's correct. That's why I've heard the name before On a whiskey thought I'm drinking wild turkey rare breed. I don't think I've had that one When are you going to update your unify spreadsheet? I don't know Uh, a hundred shares of extreme networks tell me when you so far got in eight dollars a share. Well That's a good thing A few of us in the office have yeah, um We I think I did buy some of those samsung 49 inch ones, too I Get I get nice stuff for the people there. Well now cnwr does but before it was cnwr. They inherited all this cnwr by his nice computers for the employees, too Uh, I don't really like hp microservice hp servers in general. I'm not a big fan of so I don't really They hired a lot of their firmware updates behind a paywall and I always thought that was crappy Uh, what's your recommendation backing up windows servers and wind files are running on vmware asx average small business That's recovery. Uh, the vm run beam is the business way we do it Crypto. Yes, we can just describe some people as their crypto hiatus from me wanting to speak with them We just won't speak of the time when they were too fascinating with crypto that I wasn't going to talk to them That was a dark place. They went to Voice shows being a separate network uh dedicated vlan vlan should have the second highest priority network second only management party. Yeah, I mean, that's That's a fair point. It usually isn't it's less of a problem. Uh With 100 gig networks, it's generally or I mean, um, even one gig networks. It's just not a big issue But it could be so it's a good practice to set it up because if you don't set it up and you do have a problem retroactively setting it up is a lot of work. So it's ideal to keep your phones on a separate network I want to decommission my unmanaged one gig switches and move everything to power connect Keeping s&p plus ports and different ip subnets vlan's Are vlan's way to go. I mean, yeah, probably Veeam is the way. Yes. Veeam is just We like I said earlier, we trust Veeam. It works. It's reliable. It's consistent. It has support Them crypto bros no longer bros. They're just bros who lost a lot of money if we bought it near the peak Oh, so much grifting went on in there. I mean, it was just I mean, it was just Yeah It was a mess Having multi tenant office multiple projects, uh, and building vlan's the way to go segment them. Yeah Do you guys sub out security audits? We do, uh, assessments, but we'll do security assessments We don't always We have people could do the pen testing gets a little bit more complicated. So the pen test So security assessment versus pen testing once you move into pen testing Or if we need application pen testing, that is going to be something that gets outsourced to an extent Yeah, um sales team, uh, yep x1 carbons for the people at cnwr I've had really bad experiences. Oh, they've been business rep really talked to you guys for two minutes And he accused me of geek keeping customers Uh It was enough for me to wreck never recommend again. I mean everywhere's got bad sales reps. That's unfortunate Going into a single malt scotch whiskey. All right Regarding backup on vmware, we use root Rube brick, uh, we didn't think beam had a true air gap solution Beam does have a whole immutable setup. You can do for the backups as well If you type in beam immutable, they have a whole article on it Mt equals empty. Yeah Oh, where can we buy some large system nft? So if I was only so shady Uh, yes beam three two one one one zero. Yeah There's it's important to have good backups and all this stuff So another video i'm working on is Synology and uh I have a few synologies I have Here at my studio, we got three of them and we have a few more at the office But one of the questions that come up and I want to talk about the reliability of synology So cnwr was using synology prior to the merger So I knew the statistics of how reliable synology was from the loren system side But I didn't know from a cnwr site. So I asked them have we have a problem with synology and they're like Actually, let me look and they started digging through in the same came the same conclusion I had these things just work. So uh, yeah Even though I actually have dusted it since I took I took this picture and I looked at it and I said, huh There's some There's a little dust in the vents. So, uh, I have now cleaned this Yes, I do have a couple raspberry pies hanging out in here Those are this raspberry pie doesn't really is it even on? It looks like it's off, but I think that one's on But yeah, I'm gonna do some reliability talks about it because I can you know I review a lot of things and Everyone reviews things but I want to talk about the long term because that's the question You really want the answer to isn't did it work when tom tested it or did it work when the guy on youtube said? Hey, this cool dude fancy box works. What does the fancy box look like after a couple years? That's a better answer sometimes because You're not buying it to use it day one. You're buying it to keep using it through Day 365 and so on and so forth Uh, does being support xcp and g or do you prefer xc? I like the backups that are built into xcp and g That's actually one of the selling points. So when you look at total cost of ownership of xcp and g having um The integrated backups changes what you're looking at for total cost of ownership because of that being integrated I just had an alert Someone was detected on my front porch Let's see who it is Why would someone be on my porch at nine o'clock at night? Could be just a delivery We get some late night ones. Oh, I think it's just uh Yeah It's nothing Something something tripped it. I'm not sure what My wife's got her halloween decorations out They jump out. This is actually animated and it jumps out at people. All right Am I a beam salesman? No Uh, what do you think about the default uh vlan to be non-rotable as a security measure? It's not a bad thing that way That way if anyone plugs into the trunk port if you will they don't go anywhere. That's not a bad thing at all It looks like it's starting to rain again. All right. I'm distracted easily as you can tell Um, yeah, it's not a bad idea that I definitely say that's a good thing Working on deploying some remote 5g setup for construction any province for 5g lta customer uh Not particularly cradle point makes some good stuff So probably some of the cradle point ones Other than intel clock fail issues most analogy qnap hardware just stays working. Yes qnap may not stay secure But it stays on Aardberg. Oh, okay Tastes like bacon. That sounds good Talking about immutable early assure. I took technology C2 business and they still don't have immutable tenants sign in not really Don't if I have a solution for that Hello, tom and everyone. How welcome kevin Your son must love sneaking out with all the cameras. He never sneaks out You know, that's that's the thing. I um, I was lucky with both of my children Because my son's like, you know, he's almost 18 and my daughter She's got her own house like even growing up didn't have a lot of challenges with my kids I've already talked about oh, this is challenge or that challenge. I was like, I got off easy They're they're both relatively other than my son not caring much for school I my both of my children were relatively easy to raise I have I know this by contrast with my friends who did not have the same experience raising children that I did What types of cameras are those you are in luck? Uh, I have an entire video there and crest cameras is the short answer the exact models and everything. Um, Let me find I'm gonna drop a link here for you because I break down all the details It's a valid question here of which one Here we go I share this link a lot because That's what people want to know is what's the setup? How'd you configure them? How'd you set up the AI system got a whole video? And it's a Lawrence dot video slash analogy and crest Um, so it's good video where I break down all the little details It's october. It's probably a ghost But more likely the wind chimes. Yes My Synology 60 to 16 21 plus was the best thing I purchased for my family Love Synology photos drive and cloud sync to one drive. I think they just make such a good product We sell a lot of Synology Oh, there's a beam salesman at the door Yeah Yes My experience with ionic breeze air filters help me realize pc and networking gear dust magnets I'll only fix this better a tracks in the close system. Yes Sick of the rain in Muskegon. I'm sick of the rain here in Detroit too. So yes Uh, qnap is crap waiting for my did I a hard-coded account. Um, that will exploit to crypto my data Luckily, the data is backed up. Yeah, they're kind of messy when it comes to security Lawrence systems. Why does xcp need to always lose vmware? Lose to vmware on a Gartner charts That's because This may get lawyers after me Gartner's pay to play. All right Uh, the lawyers may come after me for in strike that out of my youtube comment if they find it I can't blame the guy. He's probably uh, born at school with all the cool stuff can't imagine what goes on at home School is what it is. He has to get out of high school. He can do what he wants I'm not someone who's forcing college On him or anything like that. He's got to pick something to do. It doesn't have to be college. But yeah, that's Do you know any good load balancer solutions that play well with kubernetes? I don't do kubernetes. So I don't know Amcrest to hear good things. Thank you. Yeah, there's a I've had these amcrests for a while I think this is going on two years that they've been installed. So they work great Saving the end kids must be kids knowing their parents as business owners struggle Yeah, maybe I don't know because my friend had a well at the time when he was raising one of his kids he had a business and Some kids are challenging Some kids end up on a first name basis with the police And then you end up on a first name basis with the police That was never brought my hand with my kids. Of course, I said my son's almost 18 Who knows what trouble he may find himself in but for most part Oh amcrests are not exactly rebranded hick vision It is a lot more complicated and I don't have the time Even in this I said, I should say I don't have the time to dig into it. Not because I don't have time I'll I'll talk forever about a subject. Um When you really start digging into because we work with manufacturers companies that have businesses in china you realize there's So much stuff is all just built at the same place and to make it look like there's competition, essentially They rebrand a bunch of things out of the same company. So they're not actually rebranded necessarily It's a way to make it look matter of fact. One of the interesting things I learned Working with some foods companies was there's actually one foods company that owns three different brands And the reason they did is they didn't want to change the names of their brands after they bought them So there's the illusion of competition in the grocery store aisle But they're all the same like absolutely literally maybe a couple variations and ingredients But they're the same And I just thought it was funny the label is different on them, but they're all owned by the same I met the guy who's a really good business guy. I learned a lot from him Did a talk at an event um at the college and it was just interesting He says well, we don't merge the brands we buy Even if they compete with our brands, we don't want to root remove the illusion of competition You may love your q-nap, but do not expose it to the internet It's a dangerous place for a q-nap to be I was average in high school I did well in college because I got to learn what I was interested in Um, I was actually below average in high school the teachers though So I got out of high school on a plea bargain because they didn't want me back So I got my diploma and that was my that was the end of me in formal schooling I kind of joke about it, but honestly What I didn't high school for me Was I went to the library. I didn't want to do school, but I wasn't Doing anything more than going to the library. I'd skip classes go to library. I mean, I was a true nerd Uh, and the teachers knew it. They're like, he's just sitting there reading And if we bring him to the class, he'll be disruptive until we said because detention was in the library The moment I figured that out. I love the tension. Just send me to the place. I want to be I just want to read books And receive broadcom has any plans to change vmware's business. Oh, oh they do If you go to the register and read Register has dumped some of the stuff that broadcom wants to do vmware employees are not thrilled about this There's a reason we're selling more xcp and g than ever Have you thought about getting into thermal security cameras? Uh, they keep falling in price. Um Yeah I don't know not really Yeah, most sunglasses are one company. There's a lot of companies like that Um, even if if you're into I learned this from my dad because uh, he's he's live off the land My dad does not use technology really. He can't even text Um, but I learned like johnson and ever root are the same company like When they um, the company that bought them For the the boating knew the lo the brand loyalty So they didn't change the name even though they're the same product now I think it's I think it was johnson rude. Maybe they were talking about it and I thought it was funny Both of my sons. Oh got two sons in graduate school. Nice You know my the daughters Um, so biologically I have two kids but because my is my second wife There's three more and uh, they all went to they all went to well the daughters all went to college. So They all went to work in medicine and there's not really a path to to working in nursing Or being a doctor that doesn't require some college. I've maybe in the future there is but today that path is definitely um Not going to be Not you don't you don't want someone who goes I did vocational school from your surgeon today Uh, I was the same straight D student except for a few computer courses I could get problems. There wasn't many computer classes back in early I went to school in the 80s and 90s. So there were even fewer oddly I got to take a a pascal class of all things That was the I mean you either took a pascal class or you didn't there wasn't any other computer classes They had one class. It was on turbo pascal My college was a waste having used it much. Uh endless examples of successful people thought of degree Education is the key education and drive are important not necessarily formal education, but Having a formal education doesn't isn't a path not to success. It's all about finding your path I've never been someone Who just dumps on college just because I didn't go and found my own way Some people do well with structured learning. Some people do not do well with structured learning The biggest challenges with schools are the fact that they're not really good At figuring out and sometimes parents encouraged us. They're not always figuring out what the best path for an individual is That's the problem. So they'll go with what may be good for the majority But not what may be good for the individual which is just it's not easy to say either Because when someone just shrugs your shoulders like well, I don't know what I want to do As a parent that's difficult and you're like, well, you got to do something Uh, I was kicked out of my high school my computer teacher kicked me out do the other stuff via known newspaper I use phone freak phone bank high school. Oh I was the I was definitely an og hacker. Um, the way they figured out how I did things was You're the only person we think that could have pulled this off. That was my favorite answer I ever got We can't prove you did it But we think you're the only one who could have done it and uh, this was a cobalt class. So I had pasco class It was a vocational training. I went through uh, that allowed me to take a cobalt class So I learned cobalt, but I thought the database stuff we were doing cobalt was boring So I changed all the names And all the products that we had to pull in for this business thing It was filled with profanity and that got in trouble Learned systems like fight club. Do you get precious metals at all? I'm just curious Um No precious metals Uh, besides the other guys, uh, taping class. Yeah Biggest biggest oh, I messed up moment. Um I god, I don't know I mean, I definitely have blown things up Definitely crack things broke things. I busted hard drives that were expensive Uh, I shorted out a whole bench of computers and shut down a bunch of stuff that was in the middle of being set up Um, I don't even know which one is my best one I lit myself on fire once and if you're if you're good at open source intelligence I posted the video on a different youtube channel where That is under my name So if you can dig around through my personal channel, you'll find me on fire Where I refilled a soldering gun while it was on a gas one. So yes I don't even know which one is my best os. I mean a moment Taping class was definitely I did a typing class too. Absolutely great idea. I still think people should take typing classes I Still have I still type fast today because of a typing class I took in high school in the 19 Like 91 or 92 the good news is keyboards haven't I mean keyboards have changed Mostly they went bad and now they're back to mechanical because You know, I learned on it like an IBM mechanical keyboard That was the best keyboard ever and I had one forever until mechanical keyboards became popular again Now I have mechanical keyboards next to me with like cool leds and everything on them serenity uh Hanging tape mainframe magnetic tapes nice Is youtube being weird youtube is always being weird Were you a Commodore 64 kid like myself? Yes. Um, I did Commodore 64 and um TRS 80 TRS 80 was my computer Uh Commodore 64 was the neighbor's computer that there was a spoiled neighbor kid that lived next to me and uh He had the Commodore 64 It was Not used much by him, but I would go hang out with I don't think I liked him that much But I liked his computer. So I played with he let me play his computer all the time So absolutely absolutely. I got the hiccups for completely no reason Like I'm not eating anything that would give me the hiccups Starve electronics modeling primary motor oil assembler kit first apple 2c equivalents, you know, um Where I learned my electronic skills I was oh these oh wait. This is on ebay Now I want it Any of you learn on these this was Oh, I had this exact one the 151 kit This was my childhood Besides, I mean This and a TRS 80 this is how I learned electronics TRS 80 is how I learned computers That was so much fun. Oh he's even got the I law I don't remember where this went. I had this for the longest time, but this was missing I got all mine second hand because I didn't grow up with enough money to buy them like new These were so cool though I I they were so much fun to play with How much is this going for on ebay now? About to buy something But to buy a piece of my childhood. I love that I I started shitting the first thing to come up Only 39 dollars Ah, I don't usually buy nostalgic things I I don't buy nostalgic computers because I emulate them. I like emulating all the old stuff But now I'm looking at this. This is only Huh Oh, I might all right Wait, they have the other one There's another one I used to love Oh, this is a science for a kid. This is the more modern one. I never had the modern one I can afford all these cool things now Yeah, the school I mean my son does school remotely so He kind of does typing So you had a conversation with a police officer in a dead-end office where he asked you You could hack the computer in the corner was unplugged dusty too. Yeah, all kinds of fun stuff I love my trash 80 man Do you still keep your original sales guy when vlog Thursday started his name? No, not Marvin Marvin isn't Marvin left years ago. So Marvin hasn't been around in three or four years I need to fix my youtube channel trailer because someone says hey is Marvin so me Marvin. I still friends with him I don't talk to him very often But yeah, Marvin's still doing something. I think I think he works at a university right now Which is where he used to work before he worked for me Yeah, Marvin left maybe four years ago now Uh, thanks for the video years been a fan. Uh, great help in switching careers. I'm now my 30s. Awesome Any advice for a one-man msp? He wants to expand and grow. What do you think should be the first? hire admin or tech Figure out your strengths. That's always what the thing is figure out your strength figure out your weakness You hire for your weakness, you know, what would what would be the thing? What's the thing in burdening you the most and you hire for that first? Sometimes at sales, maybe you're weak at sales And that's a good one. Maybe you're Slower at the tech than someone else might be so you hire a tech. There's that's usually the answer. It's not It's not necessarily one or the other. Um Hiring a sales person worked really well for me, but I hired techs before I hired sales It was a scaling problem for me Um, we had too much business coming in because I was good enough at sales to bring it out business in that I had to hire techs first but Hire for your weakest point first later sales closing the sales is my weak point. I can get the sales in the door I just hated all the Follow-up to actually get this deal closed All right, so I see other people. I had those ebay is dangerous had one I bought a modern version 151 kits for my nephew a couple years ago Yeah Those are fun Yeah, I've got enough whiskey me and there's enough money in my paypal account Found old demos that wrote back in 80s somewhat. Yeah Yeah, it's funny reading any old stuff you wrote because you're like I wrote that. Why did I write that? That's actually been one of my little things I want to do is uh dive back through I archive everything um If you dig around enough you'll find A long reddit post I did years and years like 10 years ago on reddit probably if not longer Um about how I archive everything. I just keep everything digitally um I I can go through all my emails. I think I still have in Thunderbird In an archive format emails that go all the way back till at least 1998 maybe 99 98 or 99. I think is when I started keeping my emails I don't know I was a really bad writer. That's all I mean anytime. I've been 10 years or longer since I looked at them because I always get embarrassed How bad I was there now now another 10 years on top of it. So if I look at what I wrote from 20 years ago I'd be even more embarrassed Uh, oh, do I touched base with previous employees? Yes, actually I do Um, you know one of them I'd reach out to I have uh one of the people who wrote some of my point of sale My very first one it never it was It was terrible. It was it wasn't a great system But the person who wrote a big portion of it works for uh blizzard now And uh as a game developer and which is always what his goal was and I've reached out to him in a little while I've reached out to him once in a while, uh, but he doesn't live here in michigan anymore. So that's why I haven't talked to him I believe he lives California or something, uh, but yeah, I try to reach out to sometimes old staff that I haven't talked to in a while Um, yeah, I try to keep contact with people. I'm not actually great at that just in general Employer or not. I'm not always good at keeping in touch with people. Um, I'm that person I realized when I replied to someone's message because I I I do this I try to like oh I should probably reach out to that person I realized I replied to someone's message two years after they were had set me how's it going And and so I looked at that message and I said it's going pretty good And I started the conversation up again and they're like You're replying to a two-year-old. Well, they didn't have their side of the message. They were confused And then I said, oh, then I sent a screenshot. I said, I still have your last message and they're like, why do you keep all that? Uh, you recommend a course now and I got a position at IP I connect to your modem at home network ISP routers and terabytes of data Okay, I have to thank you. All right. I missed that part. I was yawning I might actually be getting tired. It is nine. It is almost 10 o'clock Two years is a cloud infrastructure consultant. It's been trial by fire You know when you're on the cutting edge of cloud infrastructure, it's trial by fire. There's no doubt Do you have invites to your co-workers or acquaintances play poker or something like that from time to time? I probably You know, it's hard getting people physically back together. I can message people, but um, I ain't waiting people over It's just sometimes getting them to commit to a yes is challenging I actually don't have that many former employees. Matter of fact, if here's here's some trivia If you were to say, hey, what happened to your last um, uh, one of your first employees Actually, uh, a couple people I order I hired were older than me And they've now passed. They're they're not alive anymore. I mean So I can't even invite them out Um, so yeah, it's a whole It's something I I I don't mind doing I try to keep in contact and have lunch with people once more But I'm just not the best at that Do you buy anything for resale off amazon? Yes, I do How not to refill soldering gas cream while it's turned on you found the title of the video That is exactly what I think I titled it if I remember correctly Haven't heard of icq in a while. Yep Yep, uh, I'm just south of detroit Are you a member of data hoarders? Under a different id than larch systems. Yes Love this chat. You make me feel young, which is usually the opposite. Thank you. Awesome Oh asl, man asl. I guess gotta type that again because you know Man, I did that a lot when I was young Osborn one with cpm Tech tube poker night I should start out all my live streams with asl. It'll it'll let me know How old p it'll let me know who's as old as me You need to do better with past employees is still uh took some old employees uh Good to say human the thing is there's I just don't have that many past employees I've accumulated people who've been I got people have been working for me for years and um There's not just not that many past people. That's part of it too. So That makes a big difference when you don't have a lot of past people. There's not like this There's not like more than a handful of them that exist So that's uh Yeah, that that's a big piece of it. Let's talk tech and yell at clouds Australia, you know, that was always so exciting when you first got online You could meet people from like way outside your area. You're like The the thing that was interesting at the time Was you didn't really know what they sounded like and you're like, oh, I know because you're from australia You sound way different than me and that was always it was exciting when the voice stuff started coming out And we can connect with people that way because the the original stuff I connected with was was dial up bbs things I was dialing into bbs's and chat with people and everything else and then later, you know with aol as a messenger ICQ and all the advent of that Um, it took a long time for we really got to where we were having voice communications with things and I thought that was really A cool step forward When that happened because I wanted to hear people I just wanted to know what did they sound like and how do they talk different than me Accents are a thing. I was fascinated, you know, even when I was young with some of the friend circles I had when people were from A different state for those of you that are in europe and you didn't know this there is a dramatically different accent In the united states depending on where you're from. Maybe it's true. Definitely in I know england at least I don't know where you're from in england based on the way you talk But I know you're not from the same place as some of the other people I listen to so I think that's really kind of Cool. Oh, yeah, merc was a thing. I remember merc for sure Yes, uh signal has moved to some quantum proof encryption. It's kind of a We don't think quantum computers are going to get there very fast They've been on the edge of greatness like an inch away from greatness for a very long time Not happening anytime soon. Honestly. I don't I'm a pretty optimistic person when it comes to attack But I don't really so many quantum computers Getting ahead faster, but in the event that this is true when tom's wrong about this Quantum proof matter of fact Even open vpn has some new quantum proof protocols that they're building. So it's common It's less of a big deal that you may think in terms of like it's not too hard to implement because it exists People have taken the time to design and architect it, but it's good to see more people implementing it including signal Um, I use gateway online. Well, I didn't use mnet Most of my stuff was tied to gateway online because I happened I started there Logging into the service a hero. It was called before it's called gateway online Um, but that was the primary one to use but then I met a bunch of the people there There was a few others that the name eludes me which makes you wonder. Maybe I can Find them through my old emails. I'm wondering what they're all were Hey neighbor, we got Troy, michigan. Awesome ICQ is ahead of their time in the group whiteboard and live text updating. Yes That's why we're so comfy with online work. Yeah, all of us were online long before other people were online Online chat used to be fun. Now they have to beat everyone Had that everyone is a creep. Oh, yeah You know, well, you you were very limited on who could get online if you were online You were a nerd No one else went through the trouble or understood what it was when I started in the 90s Getting online my I think it was probably 90 my my dial up bbs days were you know back in high school and I think I might have been 15. I don't know. I was pretty young and it it was not common It you were so in the niche to be able to do that xchat murk How would you optimize the zfs poll? Let's say 12 ssds reduce cpu load read z1 um Zfs isn't too cpu intensive. So Figure out kind of depends on workload. That's the problem tuning depends on workload I have a video though about it if you look up my Optimizing and I've got a ton of great articles linked in that video To help, you know, walk through your use cases to narrow down what would be the best Hello Who remembers bite magazine? The navy still uses murk. That's interesting Uh proper terminology is quantum resistant encryption If anyone was wondering basically encryption with algorithms that quantum computer would have a hard time with that is correct Someone has called me out I've had enough whiskey to get called out already Would you recommend two and a half gig switches? I generally go right on to 10 gig 10 gig has been around for a long time and it's relatively inexpensive. I jump right into 10 gig I never really used capi serve. Um, wasn't really my thing I was aware of it. Of course. Everyone was aware of capi serve. What was I going to pull up? Uh, completely related to this discussion I've now forgot My goal is to let this live stream go so I can say that I live stream for three hours I don't know how much longer after three hours. I'll go but my goal is at least to get the three hours Am I entertaining enough to live stream for three hours? That's I don't know. I think Two hours I've done before two and a half maybe Three hours. I don't think so. I don't think I've ever done a three hour live stream Um, you know data channel offload is really cool. You can certainly get a lot more performance out of it It's a good step forward and the problem with wire guard Easy example wire guard does not have a mechanism for user authentication. This is why one of the problems I took right away my stance on wire guard not that I didn't like it But for you for anyone really I'm not saying you Anyone to say wire guard has less code than open vpn. It supports less protocols. You're right It has a singular cipher that it supports. Therefore, there's some simplicity But the problem with wire guard it doesn't have a user authentication mechanism So while it is a great vpn in terms of transport layer and encryption and performance Without a Without a user management system. You have to bolt that on. So of course you have less code You have less features if you have less features you have less code um In the other problem with any of the older vpns vpn open vpn included is the backwards compatibility Doesn't mean you have to use those old ciphers, but you carry them along with each build. So, um, I think data shadow upload is It's one of those things that hey open vpn is not dead. By the way, they're still innovating They're still adding features that allow faster transfers of data and therefore it's not going to necessarily replace You know wire guards not going to replace open vpn and most people's vpn problems are different than what open vpn solves tail scale solves things in a different way. So I have a whole video on Overlay networks that kind of dives into that as a topic 10 g pca cards. Yeah, I mean the intel ones are so cheap now They're well under a hundred dollars. You can buy an intel sfp 10 gig card computer shopper More whiskey for three hours So far we've gone two hours and 50 minutes two hours and 52 now Um, I know what I was going to pull up now What was that site? who remembers computer world and This is just weird to me Because computer world is a big magazine too. Um, the strange thing to me is if you didn't notice these people follow me now on On twitter, which I think is weird. They retweet my stuff. Hey, thank you computer world Um, I'm like, I remember reading your magazines, but now they follow me on twitter. Interesting The fact that we got into nostalgic topics made worth every minute. I like nostalgic topics. I'm all for it When my biggest struggles is the cost of 10 gig. I don't know how to do it I'm gonna feel dumb buying a 10 gig switch to no devices yet want to drop 500 bucks for the transition I mean it You don't have to what is the small unified 10 gig switch at the x 16 Is that one is kind of expensive right here I mean this switch is What 269 and has How many ports run this one? six I think one two eight eight ports of 10 gig for $269 so Yeah computer shopper Yeah I worked helped us aim to keep network admin someday. I'm playing and learning with my home lab What do you think about online certifications? I come to you know It's not a bad thing to get Some of the certs some of the basics you'll find a lot of companies They just want to know that you put some effort into it. So getting like your security plus or network plus You know, there's a couple basic certs that you look at the jobs You might be looking for and go hey one of those certs and that's a good way to start to go All right, and it's kind of just a barrier what happens with some of the hiring managers and Probably less so today because the job market has changed because there's more demand than supply But when it's the opposite when they know there's a lot of people looking for jobs They put one of these postings out there you end up with a problem of You know if If you're a hiring manager you say hey, I'd like to hire a job and then a thousand applications come in How do you filter them sometimes they filter them by saying well at least make sure they have these two certifications Oh, cool. Now we only have 300 You know of these people that are applying to go through That's great. All right someone commented on an old video on my personal channel. Someone has found me That is funny How does the super good of states work quantum superposition and how do magnets works magic? That's how magnets work Bargare is meant to be small. They're certainly tails go built on top. Bargare provide authentication. Yes and absolutely Secondhand old 10 gig are reasonably on ebay for a low cost. Yes Thanks. How do you feel about deploying a large warehouse of multi tenants that have to be separated pf sensor unified need about 150 Vlands via wi-fi. So hope the new unified ppsk. I don't know. It's a new feature. I don't know that I On day one of the feature being deployed, I would deploy it in in a commercial setting. That's my thought First isp was gateway online They were a local company very local. They were in the same city as me What is an aggregation switch? I usually call it an aggravation switch It's just a term sometimes it'll it'll be part of your Leaf they actually had a switch is going to be the leaf Switch where it was a bunch of I think it was 100 gig or 25 gig. I can't remember that that got discontinued, but It's just the the point of aggregation where a bunch of the 10 gigs will connect. It's more of a naming thing It's really nothing particular about the switch in this case Calling you out. Uh, both know how cool ai is and relies the universe Enjoy 40 96. It's what you're enable your yeah Yeah There's no way to get an ipv6 map out of unify router. I don't know Oh, no, this is a good topic. I am glad you brought that up I am on the board of kamtia. I participate In kamtia sodas c and w r sodas jason slago You will notice that they were Anti right to repair there was a time kamtia made a mistake and I have opinions on this This is something where Back to I don't know an hour and a half ago. I was talking about how do you be effective and how do you make something change? You can complain about it online. People do that certainly Um Turns out, you know, it's even easier joining kamtia. I don't mean like joining as a member I mean like joining and participating in the board meetings of kamtia. So yes, you will find that tom Uh, I think I probably got a picture of me at kamtia. Hold on I am going I thought about doing this as a topic. I know it'll it'll Be controversial for sure. There are different approaches to things There are different approaches to how you want to get things done. What is the effective way to make something happen? Um, oh, I love this because we're coloring. So I'm going to share this Because we're coloring at kamtia So yes, that's me and several people all wearing kamtia shirts These are a couple friends of mine matt lee. You can look them up a cyber matt lee and jason slagle Now one of the things we're doing here besides coloring. We're actually working on a charity thing Uh, I think I have a better picture. We're doing something more important Why we're at these events what we're doing at these kamtia events is Going through and making things happen is the best way I could describe it You know, we go to these events to have impact Change the minds of kamtia push them in a certain direction That is important to me and it was the approach we took because first I was exactly like this. I was said screw that kamtia place Screw them for being against right to repair, which is a good stance and anyone can have that stance But what happened is Uh, jason, he's the one that was already there. He goes, hey, time, you know, it's even easier than fighting them from the outside Joining them and changing them from the inside. You know what jason slagle was extremely right about? That uh, it turns out it's not hard to get inside a company and enact change And you notice that they are no longer doing this. They're no longer on that side of things And also we're helping shape policy to come on how things get done So we I will actually say I have a large group of friends now that are very Participatory in kamtia. Uh matter of fact, uh, cnwr is joined with jcdc So there's a lot of things that we've now done so we can be heard rather than complaining about the system We got Authority within the system is the best way I could describe it. Um, so yeah, it's definitely I I agree with your stance on it completely Just me. I'm all about right to repair. So uh, time to get all the vms off proxmox replacing today and Replacing with a different node. I wish you luck there chris, uh chris More bourbon more bourbon. Yes I'm said the least switch never made it out of ea. Yeah Now whether they call it an aggregation switch or not. They support lag Uh, thanks. How would you be in msp? We would you as the msp do the large rollout of radius instead? I would be on the hook for keeping it going Radius for what? You want to hear these comtea opinions? Hopefully that rant was reasonable Did it make sense what I said about comtea? John Connor would be very disappointed our ai adventures. You're probably right Damn diesel and lauren system is amazing comtea issues. You don't have to take your philosophy Made sense to me. I'm euro comtea. Isn't that relevant to me? Oh, yeah I'm there It's interesting. Um Oh, I see a radius ppsk instead of using only ps and juniper 150 vlands. Um, how many minutes? Uh, now we are past. We're at the 303 You know I could I probably have the stamina. I don't know if my voice would give out or not um Could I go to 404? Could I do a stream for four hours and four minutes and then it's tom not found I just drop off I think I'm gonna actually run. I'm gonna run on steam before then. I am Um, I wake up at five every morning. I'm not gonna lie. I'm an early riser. I wake up at five and I'm poor me more whiskey anyways, but About 10 o'clock I watched youtube in silence. I just kind of go through some retro computer stuff for random interesting videos styro pyro and um Many other people uh, that I like on youtube So I have a whole collection of youtube things I watch and that's my chill out before I go to bed Yeah for our stream. I agree. That's getting I want to have a voice tomorrow to use Try to start a side hustle doing pentesting consulting risk assessments and it's one good way to gain clients Be friends with the people who refer those So a lot of msp's do not do that internally if you can be friends with them and Build a reputation on it. They will reach out to you to do those things The hardest part is building reputation. So they're willing to outsource things to you. It's a challenge Yeah, I'm wired to wake up at 5 a.m. Every morning six hour customer call. Yeah Yeah Uh preferred ups. We use everything from apc to eaton I don't really have a particular one. I love There'll be an epic stream just to have you disappear from site and pass out on the floor Yeah, just like And then I just fade away I don't know we have some We have a monster like 8u. I think there's a 4u unit and another 4u unit apc like the secondary bank of batteries We have some big ones and some clients. They seem to work fine Any any of these companies can be goofy. I think eaton makes a really nice product Um I've never really had any problems. They've eaten ones I know It's trying to have problems with them But I don't I don't know if they were lying as tech tip problems or if they were eating problems when he had that one That went bad Would you ever do a 24 shame like? Rikita law you have lots of powers like flat rate master who could join to keep up He gave a lot of larkers Um, I don't know who rikita law is or Flat rate master I mean I could but I don't know The why I'm having fun. I don't mind. I This is great. This is this is how I hang out with all of you Oh, I consider like I don't know a lot of you. I know some of you personally Um, but I like to chat with people about technology. This is why I do when I go to conferences You you know, I go to a few of the talks maybe I like to be the one At the talk and if I'm a hacker conference, then it's different because I'm there learning Uh, but my favorite thing is to hang out with all the people afterwards and just have fun You know, I was sad because it it lined up with another event But the ohio linux fest Um, I really enjoy just the conversations the talks are good, but the conversations are where I go Things unfortunately the vintage computer festival Was the same date as ohio linux fest. I didn't get to go Longest coming was nine hours with citrix Nuke and rebuild What do you think about eco flow? I know a lot of eco flow Has been flowed into youtuber verse and uh, there's a lot of people and youtube using them But I don't know much about them I mean they're kind of their novel I thought about I here's my thing Do I reach out to them because I have a channel and they'll probably send me one or do I just buy one And then I'm unbiased because I'm paid for it and I'll decide if I like it or not And I mean I decide if I like it or not if they send me something, but you know that way there's never any implied bias Do you Use any unify power series? No Also have a soft spot for eating. I'm in a mechanic a trade and their automotive equipment is second Then yeah, they they're they're industrial stuff that I've used in the past or Interacted with uh was always really reliable Ohio linux fest. Yeah You know, I really don't have a suggestion for this. Um, the last ones I bought for one of mine was on amazon That was the best place I found so I don't really have any great suggestion here Security cons is coffee coffee coffee and talk for eight hours and eight hours of drinks and socializing Yeah, that is how the conferences go Which conferences do you attend and enjoy? I started to enjoy some of the it Nation ones put on by connect wise Um, because I have so many friends there msp geek con. I love msp geek con. I think that's great I'm looking, you know, they only did their first one last year. The event went amazing. They're doing another one again Uh This year next year. I don't know I look up msp geek con um What other conferences gher con amazing hacking conference or just happened so you gotta wait till next year for that one um Always hard wire. That's my thought on wireless mesh networks Uh, one more question anyone, please just a good router that is All wired on wireless. I would go with pf sense Eaton UPSs are very conservative. If you have a massive load uh They shut down and protect your equipment fair enough Connect wise use to use screen connect. We still use screen connect screen connects good Uh, the problem with vios is it's complicated pf sense is complicated enough vios is another level higher than that in complications So not that vios is anything wrong with it. It just depends on where you want to start your learning journey That's that's always the question. I don't discourage people from Diving deep into things I think jeff gearling has the best video on the raspberry pi five Um, I don't have one so I I'll hold my opinion. I like it. I mean I've always loved all the raspberry pi stuff uh You know the the only challenge that they're gonna have at 45 drives with their hl 15 Is people not understanding the product? It's a premium homeland product It is not the how cheap can we do it homeland product? It is the how good can we make it homeland product? So I think a misunderstanding might happen with some of the community But I'm excited for it. So there's not really any Downside I see to it. It's more of How it's going to do in the community, but the community seems to based on the orders they have um They seem to be embracing it. So I think the community likes it. So it's It's only a few noisy people going I can build it cheaper and that's fine. You can we didn't I said we only because I had some participatoriness in the creators thing and discussing things with 45 drives But 45 drives didn't build this to be the cheapest thing you could buy that that wasn't like the goal They wanted a premium option. So I think it's really cool. They're building it. I I like it I'm excited because I have one coming Uh, so yes Bios is not hard, but you will not get stable. It's for supporters only Ah I mean, it doesn't have a web interface. So you can't say it's not hard. It depends on whether or not you think So I don't think zfs is hard. I don't think not having a web interface makes things challenging But I know the average admin does not think that and That's the big challenge. So if not admin home lab user If they're not familiar with command line set up for this stuff. It's going to be really challenging for them Yeah, bios is a command line router software. It's not bad, but being that it's command line that's Could be too much to ask for some people. I a lot of people make their own decisions. So tom bingo Firewalls are your passion. I mean, hey, if you're deep into firewalls, then that it's a different topic If it's like anything, you know the One of my friends works for let's encrypt He writes a lot of code He doesn't know why anyone would use anything other than vim. He can't figure that out Like why would anyone on this planet use not not use vim like vim is the way you do things It's an entire development environment for him Uh, it it really comes down to I mean He's extremely good at what he does, but he's got a very focused and narrow use case compared to Um, what other people do also by the way, he doesn't like bios He uses pf sense for his firewall because he doesn't want to play with firewalls He builds infrastructure for let's encrypt As for cli i've been I was the only linux guy at my last job raster windows. Anything cli was the guy. Yeah Oh, who knows it's hard to keep up with whatever it's I don't know for I haven't kept up with the news to tell you whether or not we're out of um like earlier about an hour and a half ago I said we're we're done with a lot of the um crypto bs, you know nfts aren't worth anything anymore, which is its own mess Chat gpt is the new hotness. I don't know how long before The ai stuff Is it got a little more hype to go does it not? I don't know where we're at with that You know what it does do it makes good youtube titles if you want to know how I use it Oh, yeah, some suggestions. Have you tried open sense? I'm working on a follow-up to your oh good Hey, it's micah dns filter. We're gonna follow you to the best dns video I have a summer script. I've been doing years and combined with some of yours. I hope you like it I'm looking forward to it. I'll share it. So uh tag me it on twitter. Send me an email. I you have my email I've talked to you before Um, so you have my contact info. I I'll share it out. I'm interested. I want to see it I feel ai was way too talk to it. Yeah, it has this place. It's another tool in the tool chest It's not the end all be all to all the things That's true. I had two is engineers as relatives. They don't like what I do low level setups I mean Steve Gibson, I listen to some of his stuff and uh, I mean, he's the guy that still writes things in assembly here in 2023 Steve doesn't like large development environment. So, uh, it comes down to what's your use case? What's your target? What's your goal and go from there? Looking forward to a ilm summarize hundreds of lines of logs into easy human understandable You know, there's a lot of things that it's just good at like Writing gray log parse gray log parsers I didn't write those that are my github. I just told chat gpt. I was like, here's the log Write me a parser that parses this log. I dropped in some sample log data. It wrote it. It was like it took me So little time to get that done instead of me trying to fiddle around with regex Which i'm never really good at because I don't do it very often And I will now never be good at regex because chat gpt exists. So tom will never get good at regex That's that's that's been decided now certain words here certain terms here used At times really make me realize I saw that much in new home lab You know, I have now consumed some whiskey and i'm feeling it and i'm tired Because whiskey also I associate with sleeping but yeah, the um The number of terms you have to know man acronym soup. That's uh I remember when we used to have in the bbs is we'd all download the the bbs battle file with all the acronyms in it Sorry if I asked this before but is a is that a laser disk in the background? I need to repair my laser display my girlfriend is yelling at me um I don't know if you asked that before that is see if it'll focus on it That says huntress on it So that is not exactly a laser disk. I forget what's on it. Um, that's a discussion that we had when they first sent them to us this was an interesting thing where Only a very select people who were the early adopters of huntress and Big advocates for it got this. So this was some of the we call our we're like the huntress insiders because we were We've been working with the company for so long. I mean when I started using huntress I think they had like nine employees at the company Uh, and we were just like enamored with how interesting the product was and how interesting the people behind the product were So we ended up being people who get those. Uh, that's just the huntress laser disk thing. I don't know if it's actually a laser disk. I I forget how someone read it. So I don't even know the format that it's in. I just think it's really cool Ah, let's see. There's always more to learn. Don't get scared. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I I have more to learn. I mean, there's a ton of things. I don't know there's I I'm never I'm never afraid to say I don't know. I don't do that I never even try to answer the questions people throw at me when those questions are like You know something that I don't do. I just say look that's this is outside of the current knowledge I have and But I also don't stop learning. Um next week I dive deep into seph I'm doing a bootcamp for two days just to learn seph. I'm just like walking in and spending two days in a training class. So Uh, yeah, I mean, I know what seph is but if you said are you good at it? No I'm not but I plan to be so Yeah, you never stop learning and I mean I'm pushing 50 and I'm still learning Yeah, don't get scared. It's It's one of those things like it's just part of it. I you keep your enthusiasm I don't think there's a really limit on when you stop learning Other than when you choose to stop learning actually interesting anecdote. So a friend of mine Interesting person he speaks seven languages that the first thing like The first thing always blows my mind is that he speaks seven languages and fluent like really good and at least six of them One of them is aerobic, which is that's how I learned that he was so good in these languages But one of the things he does be when he was an engineer and he spent a long time as an engineer at a large automotive supplier They had a joke with the engineers is that They he said we knew it was time to get rid of them when their suits weren't new anymore. I was like, what does that mean? And he says You know people just keep progressing and get new suits but there was always little tales where they just wouldn't progress And once you've seen he would joke he goes if they always if they never would wear a new suit And their suit hadn't been new in at least eight years You start looking into their designs and they were always trying to pull everyone back to Not change any designs like everything should still be exactly how it was eight years ago Not using any new technologies and things like that and that's how they knew like they had to tell them It's your retirement time because you're not you know progressing on there. Uh, but it's weird because He's someone I want to say He's got to be pushing in his 70s now And still doing interesting things. He's just one of those friends I have that's Full of energy always learning something new Really interesting. I I know a few people like that, you know, we have a client that's in his 80s That's really good at technology. And by the way, he's a business owner not a technology person We can have we can tell him what sequel commands and he'll go, okay Just give me a sequel commands to type this in he'll type it in and we're just like that dude's like 80 something And he he doesn't question what you're talking about. He does it It just I think it's just some mentality Some people like it stuck at a certain age where they don't want to progress and some people Keep this ongoing curiosity um further lifetime when I was designing stuff for I worked with some several satellite tracking companies designing things. I was always fascinated by this lady. She was Man, I think at the time she was still under she was like 60 working for a qualcomm And she was the one writing some of the interface stuff I was working with for qualcomm and they said she said she just knows this stuff better than anyone and still is inventing more of it it was always uh really Interesting to me. I've met so many people that I it always gives me hope because I was always worried because I You always meet a lot of older people, you know, old man yells at cloud Like they've stopped somewhere along the way This is you know, this is as far as they got in technology and this is where they stopped and It gives me hope that I don't have to or that won't happen to me Um, because I don't have to let it happen to me When at enterprise settings, it can be hard to recommend free pf sense when paid firewalls like sonic wall on a table Kind of free versus paid antivirus speed how to approach um Not really a challenge for me Because of the way our leads come in people usually reach out to me asking for things I don't oversell them if they want to buy a muraki I'll sell them a muraki if they want to buy a 40 net like I don't count there, too I don't try too hard if someone is just dead set on it. I'm not trying to oversell it to them Something they don't want I never try to be the pushy person I try to understand how it integrates in our business how the value proposition looks what the total cost of Ownership is and how it works. I'm a very functional person when it comes to like these are the functions It's going to have I'm going to explain how it integrates into your business to explain how the licensing fees or the lack of licensing fees Will affect your business and how a company can hold you hostage with licensing fees, etc So it's more of a deeper conversation But at some point I'm not here to try to tell everyone I'm just going to drop what I know about the product and if you choose to Not listen to me and you are insisting you want something else I'm not here to oversell you on the wrong thing that won't make you happy You can learn anything but not everything so you better know what you learned Uh in and out towards libya I hear there's a large industry move off the cloud to move to financially efficient hybrid setup Are you seeing any of this directly? We're seeing a ton of this in our role We're building things that this goes back to the um Let me go back to it If we Look at some of the server stuff I'm building so we're building a whole another, you know petabyte of storage this you know when you Find the picture of it because I like I like the picture when there's some context There we go There's the picture we'll bring this one up There's a reason we're building these large-scale servers This is actually kind of a mini data center because they don't want it in the cloud anymore They're realizing even renting gpus from aws um, it is substantially More cost-effective to spend. I mean this server is like $70,000 the one on top the other one on the bottom is another 60 or $70,000 But this will save them an absolute fortune when it comes to the cloud infrastructure I posted an article by 37 signals. They thought they were going to save. I think it was five million dollars a year moving off amazon They were wrong. They save seven million dollars a year moving off amazon The renting someone else's computers. It's not just the cloud of someone else's computers Yeah, that's cool. It's renting someone else's computers It's the best way to describe the cloud and it's some there's times when rentals make sense when I visited Chicago I rented a hotel that's renting a room for three days makes complete sense You know, it doesn't make sense Renting a house if you can afford a house If you're looking for a short-term stay somewhere the cloud's a great place for a short-term stay but if you have a long Predictable workload The cloud is not going to be effective for you It's going to be more expensive and people are really realizing it and It's you know, I one of the people we do some work for at CNWR Jason actually how it showed them the math and it was wild I think we're saving them just by putting in a colo with their own hardware 80,000 a year for the and it's not even that big of a customer It's like they're like wait, it would cost 80,000 a year to put this in amazon and we're only You know like the cost savings was 80,000 and they're only I forgot they're spending with us It's not Whatever that number was it was substantially smaller than 80,000 a year They don't spend 80,000 a year with us and they're like, but if we took it away from you and put it in the cloud Like yeah, colos are that cheap. They're like, oh, yeah So, uh, I guess we'll tell the l amazon sales you have to go away. I'm like, I mean, it's up to you uh, but It is what it is there's there's time to do it when you have A if you're a startup and you're in rapid expand mode and you're like, I'm hoping to land the next deal The next deal will increase my compute demand by x But I don't know if I'm going to get that next deal. Well, the cloud makes sense because it's more elastic I could just give more money to amazon get more compute and If you're trying to predict you have a burn rate. So you've got some vc money You have a burn rate. You're like, all right. I have enough runway to last a year But my sales guy says I'm going to close this deal for a thousand more Thousand x more compute. Well, do I try to buy the servers right now? I don't know if the deal is going to go through what's your confidence level on that deal Or do I wait for the deal to go through? It's going to cost me more money. I just expand my amazon I might do a video talking about that because that's really how the rationale goes for how you do it The problem is people get embedded. They go, oh, I'm not just using amazon I'm using the way amazon does things. I've locked myself into their proprietoriness. Then it gets harder to shift away from it Uh Raining from the cloud. Yeah If you have a baseline compute workload on prem, it'll always be cheaper to hands down. Absolutely The entrepreneurial essence is where the clouds can help. Yeah, it just comes down to your use case And what your needs are, you know startups are going to be Cloud first and later they pull out 37 signals is pulling out of the cloud because they're not in startup mode anymore There's people that run uh, if you haven't heard of, um 37 signals are the people who run base camp So they're you know a big outfit That's why they're spending how they were able to save five billion dollars a year that cloud bill gets big So It's a fun discussion. Um, it's probably more of a business discussion than a technical one I don't know where that video lands because it's not about The technical acumen of it. It's about the business side of it So maybe we'll post it on business technicalities of why it's cheaper in there Why you should consider things being in a colo like what's the business use case? Uh, and and by the way my You know jason slagle president cnwr. He's has worked with a lot of startups So he's extremely familiar with this as a topic. Uh, so he's a great person to have a conversation about it but It has now been three hours and 30 minutes of a live stream It is time for me to uh, stop drinking whiskey and go chill out and watch some youtube I want to have a voice for tomorrow if I don't stop now My voice will eventually start I can feel it even with the whiskey. I can feel a little so Thank you very much everyone who hung out with me I don't know how many of you are actually three and a half hours into hanging out with me At least probably a couple of you are I know I know I said 404 I said 404 I'm not going to make it. I'm just going to be realistic. I mean 404 I mean that's another 30 minutes That's it's actually 34 minutes I mean should I go 34 minutes to say I did a four hour live stream? That's a lot That's a lot of questions I've answered. I I think I'm going to stop here. We'll do it again If I start earlier in the day, I can definitely do it Maybe I'll do a sundae stream where I start with sundae for folks in australia But maybe next sundae I'll do a stream where I actually start in the morning And then I can if I started in the morning like after I have my coffee. I wake up I wake up at five, but I'm not functional at five when I wake up. I'm functional around six or seven Uh, maybe I'll do a day stream right just hang out all day with everyone And I'll schedule it like the tom does the four hour live stream and uh Yeah So we'll do that next time We'll we'll call it the 404 stream tom plans to go four hours and four minutes of live stream. So I gotta do it for charity or something. Maybe I think that might be fun But thank you everyone. Yeah 500 server failure. That's what I'm heading towards right now. I'm I'm finally feeling it. I'm I'm slouching in my chair because I don't want to sit up straight So later everyone we did three hours and 31 minutes I'm tired. I'm going to bed. Well, I'm gonna watch youtube and just pass out. So thanks everyone who joined awesome hearing from everyone And uh, I like this idea of doing the 404 stream. I'm actually gonna title it that so Look for it. I'll do it starting earlier. So it's not 10 30 at night where I'm just At the end of my day of doing things. So awesome that all of you join so cool So cool hanging out everyone See you later