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First off, there's no like physiological magic that happens with cutting carbs. But it's mainly behavioral. And here's a couple of reasons why. One, and I don't think this is a great long-term strategy. I'm just saying it's a simple, easy way to lose weight. One, it's simple because it's very clear cut carbs and people tend to do well in the short term with stuff like that. Two, when you cut carbs, you cut most of your processed foods out of your diet. It just kind of naturally brings a calorie amount down on its own. Of course, yes. In order to lose fat, you have to drop your calories below what you're burning. I'm glad you said that. It doesn't matter what your carbs are at or fats or proteins. If your calories aren't low enough, it's not gonna happen. But when you cut carbs, heavily processed foods are almost always eliminated out of the diet, which if you cut fat, not necessarily, obviously cut protein, which would be stupid, not necessarily. But if you look at heavily processed foods, a majority of them are these carb-heavy types of foods. And I think in those, the foods that make you overeat, so that's why it's a simple, easy approach for the most part. When I competed, this is what I used to carb cycling. Before that, I never did carb cycling. So my entire training, and I don't know if you've, either one of you have fucked up or fucked with that much, but I didn't at all up until. I wish I would have known how to do it the right way. Yeah. I definitely messed it up, like going into games, like I tried like carb cycle and, you know, to have no energy. All tired. Yeah, terrible. You did carb cycle. You went from high-price to high-price. No, I overloaded and then depleted and then was like, ah, I have no energy. I think every kid that grew up like in the 80s and 90s for sure did that for like sports. Like I had to load it up on the pasta. Or for tests. I got to test them all. Pancakes. Everybody bought into that, right? Better eat 15 pancakes right before. Pancakes, bottles and, yeah. Spaghetti before. No, so I, so, okay, right when I got into the competing scene, I started kind of looking up carb cycling. And by the way, there's lots of different ways to doing it too, like as far as like how, like what percentages and numbers. So, you know, please, I know we'll get all kinds of messages around that. There's, you know, a ton of different ways to do it. But what I liked the best about it was my cravings. Yeah. I noticed when I reduced the carbohydrates that the cravings weren't as bad. And so, and I don't know if that's- Versus cutting fat. Right. And so I don't know if that's the process food that you're bringing up right now. That's why it was because I dramatically reduced the carbohydrates. Therefore, a good portion of that might've been coming from processed foods. And so that the cravings just weren't there. Or is that just in general, carbohydrates tend to kick up the appetite? They both do, because if you look at the satiety, so they've done this, right, where they've tested kind of the satiety effects of the macronutrients, meaning if we eat proteins, fats or carbohydrates, how much does that affect your hunger and your cravings? How long does that affect last? Protein is the highest in terms of satiety. So protein will crush appetite more than fats or carbs. Second place is fats, third place is carbohydrates. Carbohydrates have the least impact on satiety. So if you're gonna eat a, let's say you're gonna eat a 2000 calorie diet and that puts you at a deficit. That means you're gonna lose weight. But the 2000 calorie diet is low fat high carb versus a low carb high fat diet. For most people, the low carb high fat diet will feel easier to stick to from a satiety standpoint. That doesn't mean it's a great long term approach because you're still cutting out whole swaths of potentially healthy foods. But in the short term, it's easy. Now carb cycling, why do athletes or bodybuilders carb cycle? Well, because when you cut your carbs down, your workouts kind of suck. You don't get great pumps. You kind of look flat. And so what bodybuilders do is they will throw carbs in here and there to give them those good workouts, which is also really important. So, but I mean, when it comes to satiety, that's 100%. And again, it's the processed food thing. If you go down the aisles of your grocery store and look at all the heavily processed foods, a majority of them are these kind of carb-heavy, grain-heavy types of foods. And some of them contain fats and oils and salt and all that stuff to make it taste good. But it's hard. In fact, before the low carb craze, there was no processed low carb foods. That didn't happen until it became super popular. And then people are like, well, I want some snacks that are low carb. So you started to see that coming to the fray as well. I always find it so interesting how, like so there's days where we get busy to do an example of that where we get going. It's like we're getting a late start today on a Monday and I haven't had anything to eat. Totally fine, probably around noon or one when we take a lunch, I'll have my first meal of the day. If I were to have had, like let's say at six or seven o'clock in the morning, a small bowl of oatmeal, say two, 300 calories of oatmeal, I would feel like I'm starving right now. That's where you're at. It is the trippiest thing. And I've done that enough times where I've played with that where I've cut out the food in the morning or I've switched it to maybe like a high fat or high protein like breakfast. And I'm not as hungry as if I were to just have like a small 200, 300 calorie carb-heavy type of breakfast early on. Two, three hours later, I want to eat again. Well, yeah, I know it's the same thing. And that's why when talking about carbs, I'll try to incorporate that more when I'm in the bulk and I'm trying to kind of increase that appetite. I have that same experience, especially in the morning, if I make sure incorporate that in my breakfast the rest of the day. That's exactly what I would do. So that's a bulking tip for you, right? So it seems kind of counter-tuitive, right? To have a breakfast that's only 200 or 300 calories that's mostly like carbohydrates. But I find when I get up and I do that early, like it kick starts and now I want to eat every two hours. Whereas if I'm trying to cut, I simply skip that breakfast and I don't eat that. And then I'm actually fine to like- Or even have like just eggs and bacon. Right, or have just like a high protein, high fat type of breakfast. Now the evolutionary, I guess, explanation for this would kind of goes like this, right? So in nature, so you gotta ask yourself, why is it that proteins are so satiating and carbohydrates not so much? Well in nature, if you're eating high protein, high fat, you're probably eating a lot of animal products, right? You've hunted something and killed it. Animal meat is the most nutrient dense food on the planet. So your body, our body's probably evolved to not get us to want to eat so much more because we probably got all the nutrients that we needed. Versus if I'm in nature and I'm gathering and I haven't successfully hunted anything and I'm eating plants, even if I eat an equal amount of calories and plants, I'm not getting the same amount of nutrients. Or, and part of that is that you need a lot of variety of plants in order to equal the same kind of nutrient profile you'd get from meat. So I think that's probably where it comes from is that your body, as it senses the carbohydrates, knows not getting as many nutrients. So the appetite's gonna kick up so you eat more of these things. You're more motivated to get more of this food. So that's kind of what happens. Now, of course, this is an oversimplification and there's a lot more that goes into it. And I don't think it's a great long-term approach. I don't think eliminating carbs is great long-term. I think just pragmatically, you live in the real world. They're around you everywhere. I don't think it creates a great relationship with food but in the short-term, it's the easiest. I'm just gonna be honest with you. For most people that I've worked with from a behavioral standpoint, short-term, appetite standpoint, short-term, if I had to give them like one thing or two things to do, cutting carbs would be the main thing. Unless they were high-performance athletes, in which case, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't want them to get crushed on the field because they're going, yeah. Like remember when paleo was like the big crossfit thing and then all the paleo athletes were like, it's not a good idea. Hopefully they learned their lesson from that. Yeah, it wasn't really fueling their workouts. Is that not how Rob Wolf got introduced to them? Right, because he came in as like a nutritionist consultant for them and was like, hey, probably not a good idea. No. Well, they started bonking out there. They actually started changing what paleo meant. So at first everybody was like, yeah, paleo. Fruit and just fruit and meat and all the natural stuff. Yeah, and everybody's like, man, I feel like shit. And so they're like, well, what about sweet potato? Wasn't that kind of? Can we like add some rice in there? Is that, yeah. Didn't we just miss the games? Did the games just happen or something? Do you know? Oh, can't ask Doug. He's worthless today. Yeah. Doug's on the hustle, man. Before the show starts, Doug says, hey, I'm going to be kind of checked out for this episode. Oh, that's fucking great to know. We're just going to throw facts out there and hope it lands. Adam's camera's off right now. We didn't even know it. He just totally trolled on this episode. His voice floating. I think they did. I thought I saw somebody post something. I think it's like, is it? I mean, we're totally biased, right? Because we've been calling the CrossFit going down eventually, right? So I think it's on its way down. I think they had, so I thought I read somewhere that had some like the least amount of signups for the CrossFit games. Or attendees, one or the other. So I don't know where it's at. I thought maybe one of you guys would have seen it or not. No, no, I do. I don't really watch it. Speaking of sports, there's a lot of controversy going on in the sports world right now. Did you guys see Needle? Yeah. What sport are you talking about? Tennis? No, no. I'm talking about. Shield hockey? We're talking about women's college swimming. Oh, yeah. Didn't we bring this up? We didn't. We didn't talk about it. I don't think we did. Yeah, we did. Oh, I thought we did. No, we did not talk about the off air we talked about. Leah Thomas winning first place. I think this is the most insane, ridiculous argument. I can't even believe people are debate. So I got on Twitter, right? Because that's where I'm at now. So one place hasn't kicked me off yet. We'll see what happens. And I said, look, there's a couple of points I made. So first of all, I think allowing trans women to compete in women's categories in sports is terrible. And it makes me upset for two different reasons. One, it sets the LGBTQ community back. It really does. I think this one thing right here is setting them back tremendously. And you can see in the polls that it's starting to happen. And it's setting them back because everybody has common sense and everybody knows this is bullshit. Number two is a total assault on women and women's sports. Because the whole reason why we created gender categories is because there's a general major difference, especially at the ends of performance between men and women. And transition therapy, in fact, here's the deal. You can do transition therapy. It's not going to erase all your advantages. So unless we get rid of the gender categories completely. Well, this just fucks Title IX too, right? How long ago was it when we implemented that? It wasn't that long ago, was it? Hasn't even been around for a long time. A couple decades or so. So I mean, I'm not following this that closely. So are feminist heads exploding right now? Yeah, I would assume so. I mean, I know that there's finally been some women speaking out about how this isn't fair and this has gone too far. And they're just in their complaints. No, what it does is, and I got into a discussion with a doctor of all people, okay? This was a doctor on Twitter, didn't like what I said. We went back and forth and he goes, show me the studies. And it's like, okay, do you want a study to show you that fire's hot too? But whatever. So I found a couple studies sent to him. Here you go, they've done studies on this. So, and I said, and by the way, athletic performance, the reason why men have better physical performance generally, is it just testosterone? There's so many biological things, advantages that we have. One of them being testosterone. There's also androgen receptor density. There's also myostatin. There's also connective tissue and how that works, bone structure, all controlled through the Y chromosome, right? This happens through the Y chromosome. And then the argument comes back and they say, well, there's plenty of women that are stronger than men and there's this and that. Say, look, yes, of course, when you get down to the individual, it's all up to the individual. But when you get to the extremes, the strongest people, the fastest people, the people who jumped the highest are all men. And the whole reason why they created these categories was to allow women to have. You know that she was a ranked male, right? 200. No, 400. 400, sorry. So it's not like she was a bad male swimmer. I mean, bad in comparison to the other collegiate athletes, but not in the general population. So you already have like an elite swimmer already as a man transition. Oh, you think just taking testosterone out of her body is going to do or his body is going to do that? No, no, no. It's crazy to me. It's ridiculous. It's very, it makes me really upset. So my thing is this, especially the combat sports, by the way, that's the worst. You put him in a ring, have him fight. Oh my God, dude, that's going to be real bad. I think that's, I do think that that's the general consensus though. I don't think that, I think we're just at this weird transition right now that a member when we have, how many years ago was it when we had the transgender come on, come on the show? Oh, that was like two or three years ago. It was like almost three. We had an athlete and a lawyer come on. I think two would be just to, you know, sort of like jump in on that. Like, I know that their argument was like, it wouldn't get to this level, right? Yeah, that was just going to go there. Yeah. And it's like, this is the clearest example of somebody abusing or finding a loophole to be able to get a championship. This is only the beginning. Remember when we had that conversation, I brought that up. I know. And they were like, oh, that's ridiculous to think that somebody would go through all, going through a sex change just to win a title. And then I brought up the whole Olympic survey that they did when they asked the people that would give up life, you know, in order to win a gold medal. If a majority of Olympic athletes are willing to give up their life five years later to win a gold medal, what makes you think that some people would not change their sex to win a medal? Yeah. And I don't, and honestly, that doesn't, I don't even care about that. That's not even, for me personally, that's not the point. The whole point is if we agree that gender categories in sports exist specifically so that women can compete. You did that for a reason initially, right? Yeah. Then, and we want to maintain those, then this is just not fair. It just isn't. And again, if you want to eliminate all gender categories in sports, okay, we could talk about that, but here's what's going to happen. Women are not going to crack the top 300 or 400 in most, at that level of sports. Again, yes, there's women that kid that are, look, I've been lifting weights my entire, most of my life. And they're stronger women. There's women stronger than me. But I'm not an elite male, right? You compare elite female to elite male, and then you see a huge difference. And if you, and I'll do this, look, you give my sisters all the steroids in the world, you put me on low testosterone. I'll still beat them in arm wrestling. Like it's not just the testosterone. There's permanent effects that last, especially after puberty, that you just can't erase. It's just not fair. And it's really crazy that this is a debate. It's insane. Well, I mean, obviously some people are upset about this. Is there any movement towards some way of rectifying this in terms of like a different league or like a way to incorporate transgender athletes? I think they will. Yeah, cause I mean, there's gotta be some talks or some movement in that direction. I just don't, this is just gonna get even crazier. I just don't think they anticipated this. I don't think they anticipated this. And I think that the few idiots out there that are doubling and tripling down on it, I think they are just trying to combat bigots. And they think when someone like you- You know what they've done? You know what they've done? They've made it worse. The morons have emboldened bigots. I know. Cause now if you're a bigot and you're like, screw trans people, whatever. Now you can point to something with some validity and be like, see, this right here is insane. This, and it's like- It's just the idea of fair and unfair. Yeah. That's where it has nothing to do with. I mean, it does, but it's, again, yeah. They twist it to make, turn it into a bigot. Yeah. And here's the part that's, so you said the few idiots. Bro, this is the NCAA. The Olympics have a lot. These are the- Yeah, but the highest- Under the pressure though of outside forces. I don't think the NCAA. I think a lot of these- What are they gonna do? They're gonna go back and take away their titles and be like, hey, everybody, just kidding. Like these are the biggest, most powerful governing bodies in the world who are standing their ground and making this happen. And not only that, silencing the athletes. Did you hear the athletes afterwards? They're saying that- Well, you know, the athletes, you saw the picture, right? Of the second, third and fourth place all got together and took a picture not including- By the way, this is, now here's where I'm gonna piss everyone off. I think this is a direct result of this silly argument that we've had for the last few decades where certain people have said there's no inherent differences between men and women. This is where that leads to. This is the slope that this leads to. Not based on any biological science. No, there's general differences between men and women. And by the way, most of us are almost the same. It's when you get to the ends that you see the extreme differences, the ends, right? So- By the way, high performance sports is that is the ends. It is, right? So if you take just a bunch of everyday people or you take a bunch of fit women versus a bunch of unfit guys or whatever, yeah, you'll see no difference or maybe in the women or women. When you go to the extremes though, you start to see these really big differences. And this isn't just physical. There's lots of these things. Like the most violent people in the world. If you took the 10 most violent people in the world, I would bet everything they'd be all men. I would bet you everything would do whatever happened to celebrating diversity. Yeah, it's wild. I mean, it's just like that just got completely thrown in the trash. And now it's like all about how we're the same, you know, the homogenized culture. Like we all have to be the same, think the same, do the same thing, have the same attributes, which is totally ridiculous. No, it's crazy. At the end of the day, of course, everybody's an individual. That's what you should look at. But if you're gonna make a category and the reason for the general category are these well-established, observed differences and you did it to allow women to, because for a long time, women's sports didn't exist. Women were discouraged from competing or doing that stuff they were made fun of. They created these categories so women had this, because there's so many benefits to competition, to sport. There's so many, both men and women, it's tremendous, especially boys and girls as they grow up. But now you're cutting that out. And you know, by the way, where's the trans men that are women winning sporting events? They're not, they're not because it doesn't exist. They're advantageous. They don't have anything to talk about. I think most people agree with you. And I think that this is another example of overcorrection on our part. And people are afraid to talk about it because it's very sensitive. Well, yeah, but I know you're not, but I mean, there's, you know, in any conversation, it's like they've done such a good job, like in the media of immediately labeling you in opposition as a bad person, race, evil, whatever it is. Like you're gonna get a label if you don't agree. I know, it's crazy. And people are getting kicked off social media for talking about it and whatever. It's pretty wild. Yeah. Pretty wild that it's even a debate. But anyway, I think the combat sports are what are gonna wake people up because to see Leah Thomas crushing people and swimming, you know, a lot of most people are like, oh, this is a little wild here. I don't know about this. You see them getting in a boxing ring and you see some, you know, trans woman beating the shit out of another chick, pounding on her. They've already seen that. They have, and that causes a lot more stir because that just doesn't look right. Speaking of that, you guys see the Eddie Hall and what's his face? Yeah, Thor. Yeah, yeah. So he, so Thor one, right? Yeah, yeah, by decision he won, he knocked. So I saw the two, I didn't see Eddie Hall's knocked down but I believe Eddie Hall knocked him down one time and then Thor knocked him down twice. How were they fighting? They actually looked pretty good for the clips. I didn't watch the thing, so I can't, I can't say that. But you know, sometimes when they do these fight, these amateur fights like this where they're like celebrities and then they go boxing. Super sloppy. Yeah, it reminds me, remember those, what was that old, that popular show for a little while where they like just random dudes would come in and tough man competition. Yes, yes. Tough man. Yeah, I remember it was just like, oh my. I love that. Yeah, it was. Oh, Butterbean. Butterbean actually went pro from that. Oh, really? Yeah, remember Butterbean? My friend that just, he signed up for that guy. It's just demolished. Oh, no. I mean, they just go in there throwing, hey man. We're all like, ah. There's no technique, but they actually, the guys looked like they had a little bit of technique. I was in the clips that I saw. So I didn't see them. How would you fight a guy as big as Thor? Like, that's a good question. Try not to eat those boxes. Eddie Hall is a big dude, but he's not, he doesn't like, not as tall as Stature is in there but like, he's thick, dude. He's got a lot of muscle mass, so. Thor's tall. He landed some good shots, I mean, to his credit. He just, I think he gassed himself out because he was trying to throw haymakers and was hitting air and then was just opening himself up. Well, was I right or was I right on these fights, dude? So far you're right, dude. I mean, this is like. So far. You don't even hear nothing about regular fights anymore. No. It's like a celebrity fight is happening. Dude, the Hall brothers opened it up, man. It's a whole category. It is insane. You know what shirts me out. Do you guys remember when we had Robert Oberst on the show? I don't know if he said this on the show, but he said how strong men, there's like this group of like, this category of women that chase strong men and they're really these small. Oh, yeah. Name for him. Didn't he have a name for him? I forgot what they were called. His wife's tiny. I was just gonna say, oh, Thor's, she's not just small cause he's big, she's small, small. Like she's a petite. I feel like it's nature's way of balancing it out, right? Cause he's so big. They're gonna have a normal kid. They're gonna have a normal size. I wonder if there is a little bit of that. Bro, I can't help but picture like. Cause he's so big. How does that work, dude? Well, and when you're there, I mean, I've seen the Dalmatian and a little yipy dog, Chihuahua. I wonder if he doesn't like being that big. I think he likes it. You think so? Yeah. I bet he doesn't like being that big. I mean, when he was young, I bet he was teased. Probably. That's true. I mean, he's a little, probably a little self-conscious. I mean, I caught that a bit with a Oberst when I was like, you know, we were doing a jokey video and I was teasing him a bit and I was like, oh no. Oh yeah. I think I'm hitting some old like, you know, like elementary school. He was sneaking protein bars. He didn't want to eat in front of him. Please don't smash me. It's an interesting point that you bring up. You're probably right. There's probably a part of them wants someone really small. So they have a kid that's a little more here and out a little bit. Adam, how tall are you? Like what, 6'3", 6'4"? Okay, so you're a tall guy. You get into like a sports car. It's kind of a pain in the ass. Yeah. Okay. So people ask me, I would rather be six foot. Would you really? Yeah, I'd rather be shorter. Wow. I wonder you're so jealous of me. My dad said that to me. Yeah, it's like, my arms are like twice your size, but the ears look bigger because you got three inches short. That's my exact. Where's the tape measure? That's my exact point right there. Where's the tape measure? Yeah, he's all compressed. Yeah. Compress me down to six foot. I'd be a fucking monster, bro. A monster. Shut up. Fuck, I gotta be honest with you. Talk about you gotta be around here. Shit. I gotta be around here, you know. It's tough, you know. I'm sure a bit of time is at home for the weekend as hell. I'm sure you're talking about me, you know. 6'3", I look like a lanky guy, you know. I thought he looked like he played basketball. But think about that for a second. Like, cause these guys are massive. That must suck getting into a car or sitting in a toilet or just walking into it. What is it? Shaq has to sit in the back seat of his car, right? They did a special maid, so they made like a seat. No way. In the back, cause his legs have to... Yeah, I mean, flights, you know. And growing up, and when they're growing up, there was a picture of, I've brought this up before, we'll have them edit the picture of it here just to freak everybody out. I think it was LeBron James' feet or what? Yeah, they're all, those toes smashed together. They don't look right, right? But you figure, you're growing up, you're a seven foot tall, 15 year old or whatever. Mom and dad ain't rich yet, cause you haven't made it pro yet. They're buying you, we're gonna find size 15 shoes. So I have a... Sorry, son, here's to say the circus. I have a nephew who's six, seven in size 15 shoes, and like so, and he's big in the sneakers, he likes playing basketball. It's so hard to find him shoes. You have to special order him, right? Oh, it's so hard to find him shoes. And then of course, if you do find him, they're like, I mean, he's into sneakers. So he likes cool, of course he likes cool sneakers. And it's like, there's no cool sneakers for size 15. Yeah, what's he wearing? Yeah, that is the thing about clothes. Like, cause I, you know, I brought up before my roommate in college is like six, seven, and he's huge. Like he's another guy that's like really big and filled out. And he had the hardest time finding anything cool. He had to get shot by the big and tall store, which was all like these lame, you know, like... Solid white shirt. Yeah, solid colored, you know, dad outfit. Well, I don't know. Okay, so it's literally what I'm wearing right now. What? No, this is from a big and tall, the white shirt. Yeah, I mean, that's where you kind of, you eventually get your way over there. You're like, I can't find anything. Really, you shop at a big and tall? Yeah, because if I, so clothes will fit me. Did you walk in and you're like, is it just tall? Cause I'm not that big. You guys got clothes for me? So dumb. I'm still thinking about that double-sized arm, so it's gonna be weighing on him all day. For sure you'll be doing curls after the podcast for sure. Hey, what are you talking about? It's not true, it's not true, it's not true, it's not true. Where's the tape measure? Get the tape measure out. Yeah, no, so I, yeah, I, so I close. I can shop at normal stuff for XL, but then if I, I can't, there's no room for shrink, right? Like if it's something that will shrink the slightest bit, like it fits me perfect at an XL for most brands, but if I wash it and dry it, which you know what a pain in the ass, and I used to do this, I used to hang most of my clothes, like didn't dry anything, but if I wanted to wear it again, I'd be like, I gotta hang dry it. Otherwise you're like belly button. Yeah, like spray paint on a shirt. Have you guys ever, you guys have traveled to Europe before? Have you ever tried to buy clothes over there? Oh, they're tiny. They're tiny. Well, there's brands like, like a extra large is like a large, or maybe even smaller here over there, just because how fat Americans are. I swear to God. It's ridiculous. Yeah, there's a brand on Santana Road that I really like. I cannot think of the name of it right now for the life of me, but it's an English brand and I love the brand, the style of it. I know what you're talking about. But like they're- Nothing will fit. Nothing, like they're double XL, I feel like it's like a large. The worst, and this, you don't even have to be a big person. You just have to be a built, like if you work out, right? You work out, you build your quads, your glutes and your hamstrings, forget pants. No, pants are done. You can't wear normal pants because normal pants for men are designed for guys with no legs. And normal pants for women don't work either. You train a female client and they freak out because their butt grew and now they can't wear normal pants anymore. They're like, I don't want to lift weights anymore. It's because they're not designed for anybody with muscle. More and more brands that are coming out. And that's a few now. Yeah, there's quite a bit. I mean, I know Doug, you bought that, you bought one of those shirts that one brand I sent you over to, right? You like it? Yeah, it's good. What is it? State and Liberty? Is that the name of it? Yeah, I don't remember. You shopped at the small and stout store? Yeah, I mean, this is... I was picking on people this morning. I know. You know what happened is you dissed him so he's dissing everybody else now. Everybody. I'm dissing the diss. Everybody. Screw you guys, man. Hey, I have a study I want to bring up before you do. What? Well, I think my head just exploded. Have you, I saw somebody post this. I wish I could give the person credit. It's one of our friends I follow and I tried to find this morning so I could give him credit, couldn't figure it out. But I do remember the study. It's called the Hope Study. It was done in the 50s. Are you familiar with it? No, no. It's the Drowning Rats? Oh! I thought this was really fascinating. Boy, I don't remember the details. It's called the Hope Study. I didn't know this. I'd never seen this study before. And basically it was a very cruel study, right? Like they would, they would, they put these rats in like a glass jar to where they couldn't get out and they would eventually drown. And they did it to a ton of them and all of them pretty much drowned between 13 and 15 minutes right in that range. So after they figured that out that they all drowned within the 13 and 15 runs, then they did a whole another group and then they would, they would save them right before the 13 minute mark and they'd save them out. And then they would put them back in a second time. How long do you think the rats lasted a second time? Oh, I do remember this. It was a huge difference. Bro, it's because they anticipated being saved. Days. They went for days. They went from, isn't that fascinating? They went for 13 of, then it's called the Hope Study, right? Just in fact, they were in anticipation that they were gonna get rescued. They kept going. When there was no hope, when they got just thrown in this bucket of water and they were treading water, not thinking they're gonna get out, they died within 13 to 15 minutes. As soon as they found out. They gave a mindset. They were, yes. Isn't that wild? What a trip. You see that. You ever read the accounts of POWs who were like, you know, they were captured by the enemy and they lived for years in these terrible camps. The ones that survive. There's the Hope. They write about the strategies and one of the strategies is to break up your day into smaller bits. Another one is to have a very strong spiritual practice that's common in all of them. And believe one day you're getting out, right? Not just that, but accept what's going on and believe that there's a higher purpose for what you're doing. And they survive. The ones that don't survive are the ones that are either super negative or the ones that are like, tomorrow, they give up. We're gonna get out tomorrow and then you don't. And they constantly get to survive. Yeah, I just thought this was, I would have, if I had to guess, I would guess maybe you get an extra 10 minutes at most, double their time, but they would go for days after. And what they measured was that the rats were just what made them drown at 13 to 15 minutes was pure exhaustion. They were just exhausted. They didn't have anything, any gas left. And then give up and then drown. How did they not get exhausted after days? Because they thought someone would rescue them because these are the rats that got rescued at the 13 minute mark. So they believed that there was a... I feel bad. I totally made one of those homemade traps and drowned some rats on my property before. Wait, what did you do? Wow, bro. How does it work? You're gonna talk about animal cruelty right now. I'm gonna get you fucking peed on our ass. No, no, no. Hold on a second. I'm just saying, dude. I'm like in a trap. What are you doing? You're a vermin. Yeah, so how did you do it? What did you do? Yeah, I'm trying to remember. Hold on, hold on. Before I take you aside, what did you do, bro? Yeah, no, it was like... I got laser beams. It was a box and no, it was a bucket. And I think that you put like a little bit of food, like I think you put like a stick over it with a little food in the middle. And so they climb in and they try to reach it and they fall in the water and they can't get out. Oh, I've seen this in YouTube. You could build this. Yeah, exactly. It's very easy. So it's over a bowl of water, is that what it is? Bucket. Bucket. Yeah, like a five gallon bucket. Because you can do the same with wasps. Like you can have like a little piece of meat on a stick and then you have like the water surrounding it. But with the wasps, you put like some soap, like detergent in there. And so it's thick and so then they can't get out. It's too heavy and they die. Nobody cares about the wasp. Everybody's sad about the mouse though. Dude, whatever dude, nobody wants them in their house. No. They call some guy to handle all their dirty work. So now it was this recent at the last house you were out? Did you do the other house? It was in this one. Yeah, the last one word. Yeah, we're good so far. We just have ghosts. Have you got ghosts in water pipes? I don't know how to get rid of those. Bro, I can't drown them. No, it's an edible lover ghost. Dude, what happened to you? Hey, you guys ever see the patent? You ever look at weird patents that exist? No, there's such a dorky thing to do. It's actually weird. You guys ever look at a patent? You guys ever go through all the patents and see it on a Saturday when you got nothing else to do? We need to sit in there and see what we got to thumb through. Right after I'm done reading the encyclopedia, I do that. I'm hella sexy. So listen, there's a patent for, this is a real American, like an American inventor invented this. It's a fucking pistol and it's a mousetrap. So the mouse gets the mouse and the fucking gun shoots the mouse. You can look this up. It's totally over-engineered. This was a real mousetrap patent somebody had with a 38 special. So like it chips something in the gun and shoots it? Yeah, dude, it's blessed. That is awesome. That's terrible. Come on. No, I enjoy stuff like that. I've had to catch mice in my house and I had the old school traps, right? The one where the metal bar comes down, kills a mouse and whatever. And this was a long time ago. So this is when I was married to my ex-wife. And my ex-wife's like, that's cruel. No, that's the most humane way to do it, I heard. OK, there it is. The quickest way to do it. That's a real patent, dude, for a freaking mouse trap. It's a patent. Let's just point it at him. Yeah, dude. It's a freaking gun. Hey, can I dare you to climb? I'm not going off to do this idea. Under the kitchen seat. You're going to sleep. Boom, boom! That's A. That's the most American invention I've ever seen in my life. Anyway, so no, this was years ago, right? So when I was married to my ex-wife and she was like, no, that's cruel. I don't want animal blood and the poor thing or whatever. So I bought this humane mouse trap, right? That's supposed to capture the mouse or whatever. It's one of the sticky ones? Bro, the electric key on? The thing was screaming in the middle of the night because it was trapped. It was screaming. And you had to go kill it. I went to go with the glue trap. I had to go get it. The glue trap is the most inhumane one. I couldn't get it off the trap. I had to do this. I had the same experience. In the walls. That's why I said that the old school one is the most humane way because that's happened. And then you got to go there and smash it with a shovel. Or something, dude. You got to go kill it yourself. I'm like, what am I going to do? Eating their arm off to escape. Yeah, you don't want to mess with new traps. No, dude. Just get a cat. Get a cat in your house. He tried that and it ran away, dude. Did the cat run away? Everybody has ideas about being, oh, it's all going to work out and there's going to be rose petals. You need a murder sometimes, dude. Yeah, that's true. You know, like, let's just. But at least you eat the cat. Call the kettle black, girl. No, he's a rat meat. I eat it, though, at least. No, I get chickens. So I got something interesting for you. Kind of like, it's kind of a study, not really. But I read about this. I beat my study, dude. I said try and beat my study. No, that's a great study. Isn't that a good study? That's an amazing study. Write that one down. So I read about this drug called Antibus. Antibus, it's spelled A-N-T-A-B-U-S-E, right? And it's a drug that was invented for alcoholics. And so what it does is you take this drug and what it does is it stops the enzyme that breaks down the byproduct of alcohol consumption. So when you drink alcohol, your body produces acetaldehyde. Your body has an enzyme that breaks acetaldehyde down. It depletes glutathione on your liver. And if the acetaldehyde gets too high, you get a hangover. You feel like shit. Your heart beats fast. It inserts your body. You throw up, whatever. Thanks, Justin. But anyway, so what Antibus does is it stops this enzyme from breaking down acetaldehyde. How is that any different than Z-Biotics? No, no, no, no, no. It stops the enzyme that breaks down acetaldehyde. So people who take this drink alcohol and feel like shit right away from the buildup of acetaldehyde. So it's like, take this. You won't want to drink alcohol because as soon as you do, you'll feel terrible or whatever. Now, for some people that worked, I was reading about this, for other people not so much because they would feel like shit keep going and then die. Didn't they do that with like cigarettes where you could put something in a cigarette and it give you like an awful feeling, like a stomach ache from it. Then that was to help you quit smoking. Oh, I don't know. Negative feedback. That speaking of which, do you guys remember the old, they don't make these anymore because they're dangerous. Do you remember the old cigar or cigarette pink where you put- I did it to my uncle. An exploding thing in the middle. Hold on, hold on. My cousin got his ass whooped for that when we were kids. Wait, wait, you actually did it. We stuck three of them. Oh my God. And that shit blew up in his face so bad. How funny was it though? It was until my cousin got the belt. Was it a firework dude? He got this shit whipped out of him for that one. Yeah, we were little kids. And I remember he used to give his dad a hard time. Cause that shit will blow up in your face. You had to quit smoking and then he came home one day and he's like, look at these things I got. He's like, I'm going to put three in there. And I was like, okay. That's so funny. I always saw those from the other room. Yeah. There's little like like magic stores or whatever. You know, you buy like little things like that. Yeah. So anyway, so this drug makes acetaldehyde build up hella quickly and you get fucked up. Anyway, yes. This is definitely a mention for Z-Biotics. Cause what Z-Biotics does is it's a probiotic that's been engineered to break down acetaldehyde. Cause the acetaldehyde is what they focus in on. Yes. Cause that's the reason why you feel shitty. When you get that hangover crappy feeling besides maybe being dehydrated and not getting good sleep. It's the fact that you built up so much acetaldehyde you couldn't break it down fast enough. You deplete your glutathione and you feel like dog shit. So Z-Biotics, that's how it works. But I found it interesting how the way Z-Biotics work, there's a drug that does the opposite to make you feel worse from drinking alcohol. How old is that? That is interesting. That's a good question. I don't know. I wonder if that promoted them to... No, I think it's been around for, I think it's been around for over a decade, if I'm not mistaken. Well, that's what I mean. So Z-Biotics created their product from some of the stuff I see. Like I wonder at that point in them in the direction to do that. Oh, that's a good question. I don't know, that's a good question. But we've known for a long time that acetaldehyde is one of the main reasons why people will feel so terrible from drinking alcohol. 1949. Oh, wow, it's been around that long. Holy shit. So I'm sure they had to send them in that direction. Well, I mean, when we talked to the founder, he said specifically he wanted to target acetaldehyde because it was an easy thing to engineer back to. Yeah, lower back to what he said. Yeah, that's right. That's why I do remember that. That's why it works. That's why it works so well. You know, since you're doing ads, you just remind me of something that I wanted to bring up. Doug, can you pull up that clip that I sent over on the text? So the new frontier for ads is our dreams. What do you mean? It's like marketing to us through our dreams. Shut your face. Because it's like some of the most open real estate still right now. Wait, how does that work? Okay, so Coors Light dabbled in this a little bit. Look at Justin's conspiracy face right now. Like, what are we talking about here? So Doug's gonna pull up the video. I would if I could. It's texted you. I did, but it's on my other computer and I don't have access to my text on this one. And it's restarting right now. You're gonna have to describe this guy. It's all right. It's your hand motions and everything. So you can email it to me and I can open it. That's okay. It's at this point, it'll be a dead conversation. So I'll explain it to you then. So it'll be, we've been way cooler to watch this. I wanna concentrate, dude. So what they, it was only, I wanna say it was only like 90 seconds long. And they asked these people to listen to this before they watched this before they went to bed. It's like this little video. It's like mountains and waterfalls and it has your zen music playing in the background or what that. And every once in a while, there's like a Coors Light can that's in it or some liminal. Yeah, it's very subliminal. And then when you sleep, they just play the sounds. Oh, the music. Yeah. And then you place the beer in your dream. Yes. So and like 40% or 37% of the people reported back that they dreamt about Coors Light specifically, all of it. So how are they gonna get you to do that? Exactly. That's a big step to get the consumer willing to do that. Well, there's brands already. Like what are those, I mean like Brain FM and some of these brands already that have got Millicom, Millions of people already using it. Like who do you, you don't think like some of these companies would pay them massive money to attach themselves to their sounds? They're not gonna get any pushback from that? Like I would imagine a lot of people being like, dude, that's so manipulative. Bro, I got weird dreams. It's not gonna make any sense. You know what I mean? It's a sexy turtle over there. Coors Light. Yeah, they're dead, pulled it up right now. Oh yeah. That is so weird. Yeah, so what you can't do, you can't hear it right now, but right now it's playing like the, you know, like ASMR kind of stuff. Thank you. I was looking for the name, what you call it. See, and then every once in a while you see some of that come in and then after that you're done watching this before you would have bet, now you hear that music. And it brings that up. Yes. Well, this reminds me a little bit of that upload show but it was just like, that's like the real estate in the show was like as they dream, they take that content and they capture it and then sell it as entertainment for other people to watch. Dude, I mean, it sounds so out there right now but do not be surprised we move that way. You know where I could see it be used? I could see it be used on airplanes. When you're flying and, you know, when they turn the lights out or everybody's going to sleep, they could easily do that because they could play it through the speaker. That's so next level. I mean, I feel like how much do they not tell us about subliminal messaging in movies, TV shows, whatever, like even probably social media at this point. Like how much do they even really tell us about how much they're using that? Bro, this was that text they sent you guys like the other night where I was talking, I was thinking about this with how the data and the tech that the tech companies is collecting on us and how effective they are at manipulating people. And it hasn't even gotten started yet. They're so effective that they can get you to think and look a particular way without you even realizing it. And that's now in 10 years it's going to be even crazier with the data they're going to collect on us. And so my whole thought was, holy shit, man, whoever controls tech in the future is going to control policy. Okay, so back to the tinfoil hat stuff. For me, like something that I trip on all the time and this is totally like, you know, out there, but I'm like, dude, you know how hypnotists when they speak in front of a crowd, there's probably like, I don't know what the percentage is, but there's a certain percentage that are susceptible to it versus the others that aren't, right? And I feel like it's almost on a massive scale if you use, if you have technological abilities to pump like all of this subliminal messaging and all this stuff to people constantly, like let's just say, yeah, they're figuring out your trends and like what you like, what you don't like, but also maybe there's other stuff layer in there that are really messing with people psychologically. And it's almost like a portion of the population now are hypnotized versus, you know, the rest, like half of us are hypnotized right now. That helps me make sense of it. Did I ever, so stupid, did I ever, I think I brought this up a long time ago. There was a show that they actually had to stop filming and then they did a show about the show. It was like a documentary about the show where there was, they were testing whether or not a hypnotist could convince someone to carry out a murder like a man cherry on candidate. Okay, and so what he did, and this is why they stopped it. What a fucked up experiment. Dude, well, people signed up for it. So they took a bunch of people and what the hypnotist said is the hypnotist said, you can't do this to everybody, but some people are susceptible. So he interviewed a bunch of people, picked the people that were susceptible and then what they did is they took the, and you didn't know this as you're watching this. They took the guy that was most susceptible and told him he didn't qualify. So now he thinks he's not in the study anymore, but he was. And what they did through hypnosis is they got him to react in ways once he got a phone call and heard a particular phrase or something like that. So what they did is they placed a fake gun in a garbage can outside of a building. Yeah, I heard about this. The guy was there, he got the phone call, picked up the gun out of the garbage and shot, it was fake, right, but shot this person that they were all the way. Went all the way through it, went home, forgot about the whole thing. They brought him back in and this is why they had to stop it. Cause the guy was so freaked out cause he didn't know he did this. They brought him in, they said, hey, this experiment's over. You're the one that we chose. And he goes, what do you mean? What are you talking about? They showed him the video and the guy fucking lost it. Oh my God. Did he try to expose the whole experiment? He was like, he tried to sue them and this is crazy. This is insane. I didn't do that. I don't know what happened. And he saw the video of himself picking the gun up out of the garbage and shooting. That's crazy. So wild, right? So wild. So there you go, Justin. There you go, you just backed me. Scared the shit. Scared the shit. It's a real possibility. Secured that tinfoil hat real good. These days, it's sitting pretty. Maybe we're the ones that are hidden inside. Hey, speaking of scary, when was the last time you guys ate meat sticks and beef jerky from the gas station? Did you have to do that? That's always a risk. Were we out of our paleo or something? No, I was at the gas station. I was with my daughter and she's like, hey, you know, Popeye, can I have? I used to love that one as a kid by the way. I know. I used to do the best choice out of like funyons and candy. Especially when my daughter, she's asking for something with protein. I'm gonna fricking scurry, right? And get it. So I go in there and the best thing they had was long ass like Slim Jim ones or whatever. Big scurrier. Yeah, so like I had some with her. Gross. Terrible. And now I'm used to the Paleo Valley ones, right? So now when I eat those, you could taste that it's like plastic, that it's not real compared to the Paleo Valley ones. Well, I don't know what Paleo Valley does, but it's still like, it's almost like it's juicy. I hate to use that term, but it's almost like you bite into it. It feels fresh versus like super dried out and it's been like has a shelf life of like infinity. It doesn't have a waxy feeling to it. That's the waxy feeling. I had one not that long. It was well, it was a while ago now, but it wasn't that long after we started with Paleo. And so the contrast, I could totally tell the difference. Totally. Up to that point, I probably wouldn't have known. I just hadn't had something like that in a long time. And I remember biting it and it almost feeling like I had to bite and then tear it off because it had this kind of like waxy connection or coat over it. Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah. And my daughter's really picky and she loves the meat sticks from Paleo Valley. Loves them. My kids eat those up here. So I'm like, this is it. I'm just sorry, honey. It's done, dude. I wonder if they'll ever move to the like actual like meat because normally if I get beef jerky now at like the gas station, if I have to do that, I don't have my Paleo. You get the dry one and the chunks. Yeah, yeah. Do you guys remember the beef jerky? Did they even make this anymore? It was like shredded. Do you remember that? It looked like it was like chewing tobacco looking almost, it was beef. Did they use that? Did they market it like that as like an alternative? I think I remember that because there was that and obviously the big league chew and like the gum version of it. But do you guys remember that? It was like shredded and you like pull it out, owns big league chew. I don't know. But talk about the most inappropriate marketing that we're exposing to kids. It still exists. Like cigarette, like gum cigarettes, gum cigars, gum chewing tobacco. It's like, bro. Like what are we doing? As a kid, you could always catch me outside playing with my cousins with a fake gun with caps in it and fake cigarettes. Bro, we were doing lines of like sugar powder. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You guys weren't? Yeah, that's the next level right now. I'm just saying, dude, like they were... It's the death row. You went too far. I'm just saying. At that age, I'd never seen you go aligning. Yeah, you had like a stick like this. I wouldn't know how to do it. Come on, you guys. You guys didn't inject such a thing into your arm. I mean, that's like the next level. You guys were tighter. Bubblishes were tighter in your arms. You just like made mine, you know. Pretend you're a heroine when you were 12. You guys never keistered tootsie rolls? Come on. Come on, man. You absorbed it faster that way. Yeah, it tastes real good later. What kind of friends did you have, man? Anyways. Hey, what's up? Look, real quick, you like soda. It tastes good, but it's not good for you, right? So you don't drink it. Well, check this out. There's a new drink for health-minded people called Olipop. Olipop is very low calorie. I have some right here, in fact. 35 calories for the whole can. A grand total of three grams of sugar, but lots of gut-healthy compounds inside Olipop. So the one I'm holding right now, Strawberry Vanilla, it's delicious. Again, almost no sugar, but it's got compounds that help feed healthy bacteria and help bring down inflammation in the gut. So it's actually a gut-health supplement that tastes like the soda you grew up drinking when you were a kid. Great for you who are a fitness and health fanatic. So go check them out. Head over to mindpumppartners.com. Click on Olipop. Use the code MindPump for a discount. All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from Aresenko. Is power building just powerlifting with a side effect being that of gaining mass and size? Power building, you know, that's a phrase that refers to a style of bodybuilding where your form isn't as good. I mean, basically that's what it is. Is that how you would say it? Really, it's about, okay. I've wondered what this applies. So there's actually, I tread lightly here. I believe there's like a protocol on like what that looks like. Yeah, but the way people mostly use it. I mean, look, we've argued forever that it's a good idea to cycle in hypertrophy style bodybuilding training with maybe strength-based powerlifting style training. Yeah, if you, in other words, if you run MAPS anabolic and then MAPS aesthetic, you're power building. Yes, yes. Now, the way it's been, I guess, I don't know, the way that's being used and marketed, yeah, is that it's basically like, oh yeah, you know, heavy cheek curls and heavy, you know, push presses with not good form. And you know, it's basically like, well, technique doesn't matter as much as the weight that you lift. And that's wrong. I think form is always very important even when you're training for strength. In fact, some of the best form you'll ever see is from powerlifters. If you watch real powerlifter strain, their form and technique is impeccable because they understand that leverage makes a big difference when you lift a lot of weight. Okay, because I thought it was just like powerlifting protocol. And then they're also adding hypertrophy as like it was like a combo of both of your workout. Yes, that's what it's supposed to be. It is, okay. I mean, really what it is is that, or this is my opinion on this, right? And I believe that, what's your guy you talked to at the time? Michael Hearn. Yes, Michael Hearn was like the one who's made it really popular. Have you watched his form though? Yeah, no, he's got great form. Excellent, yeah, he's got great form. And I think it was intended that way. So to your, because I know you're gonna get a bunch of people that are gonna jump all over you for saying that because I don't think it was intended to be cheat form. I think it was intended to introduce a lot of bodybuilders to the benefits of powerlifting for your physique. Which was something I used to talk about all the time on the show. When I was competing, I would go back and I would go in the gym and I'd see all my peers, right? So I worked out in a gym here in San Jose. That's like one of the most popular gyms for competitors. So at all times there was at least 10 to 15 men's physique bodybuilder and women's bikini athletes in the gym at all times. And so I'd get a chance to see what everyone's like routine looked like. And it blew me away how many of them neglected like the big lifts and ever trained five reps or singles or doubles or triples. I felt like I was the only men's physique guy that was doing things like that. And so I think that's where power building comes from is taking people that train specifically for like hypertrophy all the time and introducing them to the benefits of low reps, which is something that we've been advocating since the beginning of the show. Totally, 100%. Although you start to see it make a comeback now. I know the physique, excuse me, classic bodybuilder champion, Chris Bumsted, am I saying his last name right? Yes, Bum. He is a big proponent of heavy squats, heavy dead lifts, his physique shows it. There's tremendous benefit. Now, as you get older, I think the risk versus reward ratio with heavy training starts to change a little bit. You gotta be a little smarter with your training. I don't think it's a good idea to constantly train for strength, especially once you hit a certain point, but especially in the first few years of your training, tremendous value from it, tremendous value. Now, if I go back to what I said earlier about as you get older, if your form is perfect, I think you're perfectly fine. The problem is, is it's hard to have perfect form always, especially when you're training for strength, because the ego tends to creep in, and that happens to me all the time. Well, you're flirting with your max lift, right? When you're doing things that are for singles, doubles, triples, anything under five, like you're flirting with your max. So of course you're gonna have, more than likely gonna have some breakdown in form if you're pushing the weight like that. So that is the one challenge with it. But this is just a classic example of like how we market. It's literally teaching you, and again, every one of our programs is phased this way. It's phased to take you through. Almost all of them have a strength phase. Well, isn't that the difference to those that we're introducing phases where we're kind of more, instead of merging them all together, which is what I see a lot. And these ideas is like, let's pull from powerlifting, and let's pull from bodybuilding, but let's smash them together. So if you want those benefits, my recommendation would be literally run anabolic, then run maps aesthetic. If you want the benefits of powerbuilding, of training very strength specific, and then training more hypertrophy bodybuilding ask, there you go. There's six months of training right there for you. And by the way, the reason why we are advocates of phasing rather than mixing it all together is not necessarily because you get better results physically. I think the studies will show that there's not really a big difference. It's the psychological component. There's a mental change and switch that happens when you train for strength versus hypertrophy. And I think it's smarter to stay in a mental space for three or four weeks, and then move to a different one. Because I find it hard for myself even to switch so quickly between Monday's workout and Wednesday's workout. One is strength, one is hypertrophy. Then the next one is it's hard for me to switch because I have to change the way, because one of them I'm focused on the pump. And then I fall in love with the pump. The other one I'm focused on the numbers, and it's all about the strength. And going back and forth, it's like I lose something when I don't just focus on one. Well, it's also hard to tease out what's working more for you. True. You know, is it the hypertrophy training that I'm doing within my workout? Or is it my strength building that is doing more work for me? Because you gotta understand, there's an individual variance with everybody. There's some people right now, and we'll use Justin and I because we live so different. Certain way of training is gonna benefit me more than Justin and vice versa because of the way you tend to train already. So everybody is like that. Everybody has a tendency that they tend to train like. And so which one, if I'm training like a power lifter or I'm training like a bodybuilder, which one of them is benefiting me personally the most? You throw it all in one phase. Yeah, it's like an elimination diet. You do one and then see how you. Yes, yes. And then running a phase like that where I'm specifically focused on strength and then specifically focused on hypertrophy allows me to tease out and go, oh wow, my body really responded to that one. Maybe not so much. So guess what I do the next time? The next time I come around, I might extend that phase. Or I might run two to one ratio. I'll do two more power lifting phases to only one hypertrophy phase because I'm getting so much more bang for my buck for a power lift. And like you can't measure that if you throw it all in the same routine. And I do wanna say something too. We call it strength. We call it hypertrophy. But the truth is they both give you strength and hypertrophy. Okay, just one is a little more of one and one is a little more than the other. So, and I wanna make sure I'm clear with that because someone listening may think, oh, I just want strength. I just want hypertrophy. You'll get both more of both if you train both in the right ratio for your body. Next question is from Franco Infante. Can an athlete train like a bodybuilder and excel in their sport? Okay, so yes. Soccer is the sport. Yeah. Yes, if you're comparing an athlete who does zero resistance training to one who does some bodybuilding resistance training, so long as it's appropriate, they will do better because of the increased strength in some muscle. That being said, it's not the ideal way to train for an athlete. Bodybuilding, in fact, in the past, when athletes started to add resistance training into the workouts, football was really the first sport I would say where athletes started to really flirt with and then started to really incorporate resistance training. You saw disastrous results. You did, but originally it was all bodybuilding because that's who they had to pull from. Yeah, that's because that was the example of who was in the gym hitting it hard. Yeah, so what they did in the 70s and 80s is they would do bodybuilding. They do literally body sculpting curls and that kind of stuff. And some of them did real well. They got bigger, they got stronger, but then when they started to figure out resistance training as applied appropriately for sports performance is different. Then you saw them really go to the next level. So if you compare it to nothing, yes, it's better, but compared to what you could do, it's not ideal at all. Bodybuilding training is not the ideal way to train for most sports. Yeah, and I kind of wrestle with this one because I do find value in high-perchivity training and I find, especially for an interruption, but in terms of the majority of the focus and the priority, training the body to respond and produce as much force as possible and also consider the entire body as a whole and the movement more is way more transferable towards sports and being able to generate power. So segmenting it into single-joint movements, a lot of times what happens with that is it just sort of mixes the signal from the body of organizing everything at once. Totally. Which is definitely that ideal for a soccer player. No. There's not a lot of benefits at all that a soccer player's gonna get from even, I mean, to your example, yeah, if we took two people, one person does no soccer training, no lifting, no nothing, and then the second guy does bodybuilding training with his playing soccer, so maybe he has a little bit more benefit. You mean, well, if both of them played soccer, but one of them added some bodybuilding appropriately, they would still, they would do better. Right. That's what you're saying, yeah. But take that exact same example, let's say a third person, a third person instead of bodybuilding just played more soccer would be, they would be a better soccer player than the person who's bodybuilding. Yeah, if that's the trade, now let's say that. Yeah, if that was a straight up trade. So let's say I have three days a week, okay, I'm a soccer player. I hear you. So I practice soccer most of the week and I play games once a week and then I also wanna look good so I bodybuild three times a week. But I'm concerned, I ask a question like this, I really care about being good at basketball. I mean, excuse me, being good at soccer. If I replaced those three days of bodybuilding with skills training for soccer, I will be a better soccer player than the guy who gets buff. Yeah, no, I'm talking about if all things are equal, both of them same amount of soccer, one of them adds some appropriate bodybuilding. They'll do a little better. The problem is though, it's not all equal because that person is doing three more hours of bodybuilding than the other person. So what's that? That's what I mean. All things being equal, but they add the bodybuilding. Yes, totally. Yeah, yeah, so that's the only scenario. Now if you add appropriate strength training for soccer, then, and it's done the right way, that's when you get the best, right? But it's not a lot, by the way. It's not a lot, like I think people think that they'll do their sport and that they'll spend an equal time in the gym. No, it's not that way. If you wanna be really good at the sport, it's like 90% of the time you spend should be your sport. Then you throw in 10% of strength training if you wanna be good at your sport. Well, anytime you're trying to build, especially with muscle and build like size and mass to your frame, it's crucial that you include skills, sessions in between so you maintain the functionality and the movement as your size has changed. Otherwise, it's gonna throw off all your mechanics and you're gonna realize that you're gonna have to relearn a lot of these movement patterns with this new body frame. Yeah, I do think that, because I imagine what sparks a conversation like this is a high school or a collegiate level soccer player who also wants to look good, right? I mean, that's where this conversation comes from, right? Hey, I play soccer, but I also take my shirt off and I like the opposite sex or the same sex, whatever. I like to attract other people, so I want to look good. So you could do that by following something like a maps performance once or twice a week to where you're doing strength training movements that will translate to the soccer field better and then we'll also build some muscle and make your body look good. So I mean, I think that's the answer this person is looking for is like, hey, how do I make myself look get better but not to sacrifice my sport? But when you want to be good at your sport, the vast majority of the time that you spend should be in the sport and the skills surrounding the sport. It should not be in the gym. And I wasn't straight with this myself. This is a lack of strength. Yes, yeah, right, exactly. Which just means like the emphasis, and this is usually a young athlete, right? That's just getting started. So I just want to throw that out there, like I would emphasize heavy on the foundational strength before. Good point coming back into the skill. But yeah, at a certain point, like a seasoned athlete, really it's like maintenance for the most part with weight training. And also the sport changes, right? If you're playing football, size and strength makes a big difference. There's no weight classes and you're hitting each other. You're going to want to add some mass. Soccer, you know, you want to be more explosive. You want to protect your joints, but being heavier just for the sake of being heavier, you don't want to be lighter if you do, exactly. Next question is from Lyft with Shaj. Should someone in their late 20s do TRT if their test levels are under 450? All right, we're the wrong people to ask that question. I know, yes, we're not doctors. Yeah, we're not doctors, but look, I'll tell you what I've learned from the people at nphormones.com. So there's a criteria that they go through to determine whether or not TRT is right for someone. And it's a combination of total and free testosterone. So total testosterone is the total number free is the amount that is actually usable in combination with symptoms. So this is where it gets really important and very interesting. Somebody could have a total testosterone of 450, but feel great, feel great, have no symptoms of low testosterone, great energy, great drive, great libido. Someone else could have testosterone levels that are 550, but have all these symptoms of low testosterone in comparison to maybe how they felt before. You have to consider all of this when it comes to testosterone therapy. And it's not just because of the numbers, but rather how those numbers affect your body, your androgen receptor density. There was a study that was done on male athletes and they had them lift weights and they looked at their total testosterone levels and their free testosterone and they said, okay, does higher levels of free testosterone mean that you build more muscle? And there was a small effect that was almost negligible. The big effect came from the androgen receptor density. That was where they saw the big difference. It was how many androgen receptors they had. That made the biggest difference. So it's way more complex than just your number. So 450 is in range. It's on the lower end of the range, but if your symptoms are, if you don't have any symptoms and you feel good, then you're gonna be okay. And how much have you explored all the natural ways to boost and raise testosterone? Right. Which we've talked about in a few episodes, specifically in ways to approach that in your diet and training, sleep, sun exposure, just lots of other, like lowering your stress in your life. Like there's lots of other factors that I think you should check all the boxes before considering. Well, I get questions like this all the time. And I'm so, I mean, it's a great opportunity to talk about the free forum because I'm not the right person to ask this question. One, it's your body and you know how you feel better than anybody else. I don't know what symptoms you may or may not have. And then I'm on a doctor. So that's why we partnered with Dr. Todd and with Dr. Ran. So you guys have access to them. I mean, I don't know anybody else that's done something like this in the fitness space that has worked out a deal with a company like this that is actually every single month, two times a month, they're on there for an entire hour plus answering live questions. Plus they're on there every single day answering people that write in there. So if you have questions around this and you're concerned or you're not sure, those are the people to ask. And you guys have access to it for free. So if you have a Facebook account. It's amazing resource. Yeah, it's an incredible resource. Yeah, but I do wanna hammer the combination of things that I said, because for a long time testosterone was demonized because it was a schedule one drug, right? It can be a performance enhancing drug. Well, yeah, a general practitioner would not even, just 10 years ago. Even if you had low symptoms, terrible symptoms. Yeah, if he was 450, wouldn't even give him an opportunity. No, as long as you're above 300, right? They would say, no, you're totally fine. We're not gonna give you any testosterone, but that's not always the case. So it's important to look at all that stuff. And that's because it's not an exact number. It's how your body responds, how you feel, how you react. And some men feel better with higher testosterone. Some men feel better with testosterone. It's a little lower, believe it or not. So these are all the things you wanna look at, or at least these are the things that the doctors are gonna look at when they're assessing you. Next question is from Garrett Braden. What are the science pros and cons of doing no fap? Not jerking off? Not jerking off. I sure did. Who do you think did? No, you know what? You know why? Okay, so you know what's interesting? So this weekend I heard a conversation. It was actually, I went to this thing, they were talking about the effects of pornography on men and on brains of young men, right? So, and there's lots of substances that do this. You expose your brain to a particular substance, let's say caffeine. Your brain down regulates receptors. This is why you have to keep using more caffeine to get the same effect. And the reason why your brain does this is it's actually protecting itself. Hence why all these weird categories exist in porno. Well, absolutely, absolutely correct. Neem new novelty. It starts off as some missionary sex you're watching before you know it. It's hella weird. Donkey shoes, sorry. No, and hey, that's 100% true. And so what they talked about, and the access of pornography is so available now. It's so different than it was when we were growing up. It's crazy. That we don't have, like we're just now starting to see the effects. Did you guys know this? So here's what I heard from this talk that I watched. 20% of erectile dysfunction patients are in their 20s. Yeah. 20%. Way too high. That was 0% a few decades ago. Like men in their 20s didn't have issues with erectile dysfunction. You're in your prime. And that's because of the exposure to pornography the brain has modeled itself. It's actually modeled itself ever after this crazy novelty to where real life is no longer stimulating, is no longer producing the same effect. Do you not think this is very similar to sugar in kids? I think totally. You can compare it to all of that stuff, right? So it can be very damaging. Here's the other thing that I learned. So they've, and this is old wisdom. So I don't know about any studies that connect this, but old wisdom, old male wisdom or whatever masculine wisdom says that sexual energy is very closely related to drive and creativity and innovation. So when you're a young man, you have all this access to pornography, you're constantly impulsively watching it and whatever, you're actually sapping your potential ambitious drive in your innovation because you're just doing that rather than keeping it within you, channeling it towards those types of things. Now, if that was true, Sal, wouldn't that prove then the whole theory of not jerking off before you have game day on Friday or Saturday? And I thought that's been disproven already. Well, again, I think that it's a psychological part of that, right? Cause yeah, they try to disprove that in terms of it lowering your performance and testosterone drive, which wasn't the case, right? No, but psychologically, like, there's an angst. Yeah, there's an angst there for sure. You're keeping it in. Yeah, but it's not just that, like, I've done this many times where I'll look at cross culture and cross practices and you find similarities. And when you find, like, for example, when you find one culture in the East that's thousands of years old, say something, another one that's in the West that's thousands of years old that says something and another one that's, you know, in the Mediterranean and you look at all these different cultures and you start to see kind of these commonalities, there's usually wisdom or truth there and we can't often explain it cause we don't necessarily know where to look. Eventually we end up figuring it out, but we don't know where to look. For example, the practice of fasting exists in every major religion. It's been practiced for thousands of years all over the world with cultures that didn't have contact with each other and the benefits are spiritual, right? Detachment, detachment from food or whatever. Okay, so when we're talking about abstinence before physical event, before war, before fighting, you find that all over cultures. So there's gotta be some wisdom there. Here's another thing. Men controlling their impulses around sexual action, this is present in almost every spiritual practice that you'll find, almost. There's some that are the opposite, but almost all spiritual practices talk about this. There's gotta be some wisdom there, right? What about pre-gaming it before a big date? You know what I mean? That's another smart strategy. Right, like clear mind, you know, because we think about how easy it is to manipulate a guy who's just, or how bad we listen when we're like that. Exactly. Yeah, so there's moments I feel like, I don't know, it might be advantageous to get some of this. Well, here's some more evidence to kind of point to what I'm saying. No FAP or no Nut November or whatever. Did not exist when we were kids. Well, I won't, okay, all of a sudden, people online created it themselves. Well, listen, one of the for sure pros is just being able to discipline yourself. I mean, there's delayed gravitation. That's right. There's plenty of value in that itself. Just something that you potentially are addicted to, okay? If you are potentially addicted to something to have that self-control to not do it for an extended period of time, there's tremendous value in that because that carries over into many other aspects of your life other than jerking off. Sure. So I'm sure this started for whatever reasons, like you're bringing up the whole porn thing, like, okay, we can go down that rabbit hole. But I mean, just simply abstaining from something that you really want to do. Exactly. Has got great value. So I think there's just that. It's a powerful addiction that some people have. And I mean, you're con. I don't see it con in that. I think that's something. I mean, I try to practice this in all kinds of aspects of my life. If there's anything I ever catch myself doing habitually that is not technically healthy for me all the time. Or that's impulsive. Yeah, exactly. We're impulsive, right? I'm gonna try and haul that in a little bit and restrain it. I mean, we talked about this just the other day about even like financially, like buying things, right? Like I can be very impulsive. I want something. So one of my ways of disciplining myself is saying, hey, I'm gonna put it in the shopping cart, but I'm not gonna do it right now. Let's see what happens. I think there's tremendous value in that. Can you really control yourself or do things control you? Right. I think that's where you gotta always constantly assess that. Like is this taking over parts of my life? Master of your domain. That's all. The Seinfeld. There's a whole episode on that, wasn't there? Yeah, no. I mean, I think it's the processed food of sex. It really is. It's like, yes, you could, and you know, it's funny. There's people in the fitness space who are so pro, eating healthy and being disciplined with exercise. And then when it comes to this, they're like, way in the opposite of the spectrum. And it doesn't jive with me. None of that makes sense because you see the value in discipline. You see the value in choosing foods that are healthier, they're not heavily processed. You're not just gonna go eat something just because you're being impulsive about it. You're not being lazy just because that's what you crave. You actually structure your day so you can get fitness and all stuff. This is similar. It really is very, very similar. It's just not exercise and diet, but it's a different kind of impulsive action or whatever that can, I think, bring you down a bad road. So I think this is great. And it's funny to me that dudes online invented this shit. Nobody told them to do this. It was just a bunch of dudes are like, man, I need to take a break. Man, I'm really getting out of control. My wrist hurts. Yeah. I'm barely any skin left. That's funny. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness or health goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Badim and I'm only found on Twitter at Mind Pump South.