 design review board. My name is Catherine Porter, a chair of the Amherst Design Review Board. I call this meeting to order pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12th, 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law, GLC 30A section 18 and the governor's March 15th, 2020 order imposing strict limitations on the number of people that may gather in one place. This public hearing of the town of Amherst Design Review Board is being conducted via remote participation. No in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted, but the public can attend tonight's virtual meeting by using the Zoom login information provided on the meeting agenda listed on the meeting calendar, which is provided on the town of Amherst website. We will begin with a role called the members of the Design Review Board who have been impaneled for the consideration of the items on tonight's agenda. Please indicate it when I call your name, if you are here. Lindsay Schnarr. Here. Janet Markward. Present. Eric Gazecos. Here. Tom Long. Here. OK. Also in attendance is Marine Pollock Planner and Staff Liaison to the Design Review Board. The Design Review Board and its accompanying zoning regulations were created by town meeting in October 1983. The charge and purpose of the Design Review Board under Section 3.2 of the zoning bylaw is to preserve and enhance the town's cultural, economic, and historical resources by providing for a detailed review of all changes in land use, the appearance of structures, and the appearance of sites which may affect these resources. The Design Review Board exercises this responsibility by providing design review and recommendations to private applicants and permit granting boards within specific overlay zoning districts in the town center, the design review, the design review overlay district, and the town common design review overlay district. Design review was also provided for town departments and permit granting boards with respect to town projects anywhere in Amherst which will result in substantial alteration to the form or appearance of a structure or site. All design review board meetings are open to the public and are recorded by town staff. Each meeting recording will be uploaded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel for public viewing. The procedure is as follows. The petitioner presents the application to the board during the meeting after which the board will ask questions for clarification or additional information. After the board has completed its question, the board will deliberate. If the board feels it has enough information and time, it will decide upon recommendations for each respective application. Once the board has voted on its recommendation as the staff liaison, we'll type up the recommendation for distribution to the applicant board, applicable land use board, and building commissioner. And tonight we have two applications. We'll see them here on the agenda. DRB 21-07, the spoke. So we hear from the spoke first. Yep, so Chad's here. Hi, Chad. So if you could introduce yourself, your affiliation and what you're proposing. And let me know if you want me to share the screen for you or if you want to share a screen, just so. Yeah, I don't know how to do that. Oh, I can do it. It's fine. But you can share if we need to for the schematic that has been drawn up. But basically the spoke's been there since 1984 in the same spot, the same building, 35 East Pleasant Street started in the middle. I took it over in 2017. In 2018, we took over the Southern Pizza side and we expanded into that section. And now in 2021, we are taking over the Amherst copy side in expanding into that section. And so we would like to, obviously the purposes of discussing with you guys is that we would like to add another patio. So in the front of the building, there are three concrete sections of flower beds. And in those, in two of the sections, we have patios and then we maintain flower beds in them. And so the picture that Maureen has up there right now, the second one down is what Amherst copies beds are, a little dilapidated at the moment, but the overgrowth would be removed. We would put up the exact matching fence of what's on the other end and the same bench layout, same garden flowers. We plant flowers there in the spring. So that's one part of this we're proposing to do. The other part isn't much of a change. We're not adding any new signage. We're not changing any storefront. It's an all glass front building, brick sided on three sides. And the building's already been painted. Actually, the pictures that are taken there are sort of old because the paint has the pink that's on the top is actually all that charcoal gray of what you see there now is that all that pink is gone. It's just the neutral color that's there now. So I guess for design review board purposes, what we are looking for approval on is, I think essentially just the patio really is the big thing. We've cleaned up the grounds tremendously and one of the pictures Maureen had showed we replaced the rotting fences that were falling down around the dumpster. So the presence of the building from what it's looked like in the past has come a dramatically long way. It's already much, much nicer there. So yeah, I don't know what else to go over at the moment Maureen, other than the fact that I think the biggest thing is just the addition of the patio in the front, the third patio. That right there is what we have. That is the currently what it looks like out there right now. So what we're proposing to do is remove that overgrowth and add in our matching patio and twin of what's already there on the other two spaces. So I saw up there at the top, there was a frame for the old Amherst copy. Does that signage that's gone? Did you take that down? Yeah, we removed it because it was printed in Amherst copy. It's down. Yeah, it's down. It's not up there. Obviously we don't want it displayed there. They don't want it displayed there. Now it just looks sort of ratty, just an empty frame. Yeah. And I would assume that these string lights will continue? Yeah, those are there. They're down in the picture because it was in the painting process at the time that in the previous design review board from two years ago, we had already had approval to paint the exterior of the building. All we did is just the exact same color that was there just it was in really, really bad shape. So we just kind of did a paint over on it and these pictures were taken in the middle of that painting but those are back up now. That pink is gone and the nothing else is different on that side of the building. The, I don't, is there pictures of the far side of the building Maureen? I don't know if we, the, I guess that would be the northern side, Pre Street, the Pre Street side? Yeah, yeah. That's the back. That's the back. That's the back. Right there. So I mean, that was one of the biggest things when you used to come down East Pleasant Street to Pre Street, that side of the building because it's such sun exposure was in really bad shape. So that's now cleaned up. The other side of the building, which is probably in a picture is as well. We don't plan to do anything, anything with the sides of the building. There it is. Yeah, so we don't plan to do anything with the sides of the building. Obviously the decals that are in the windows will be removed. They're amorous copy decals. Actually that tree one that's on the side, there's already been removed. There's some ones on the front that look like waves. Those just peel off. Those will just be removed and we'll be leaving a glass frontage. And just to repeat, you wouldn't be putting a new spoke sign here. That's not our intention. Nope. Yeah. We certainly, if we did put a spoke sign up there, you know, and again, we're in a little bit different times here because we're in times of COVID and we all believe that eventually in time, we will get back to some normality and things will change, Sharon. There's certainly a, you know, perhaps in the future maybe put something down there, but at the moment we don't have intention to because the main entrance for the bar is the main entrance that we already use. So this is more of an extension of premises to allow us to add more square footage, more tables and chairs. And it doesn't really require us to have signs down there in order to do so. Questions from the board? I've got one. So just to clarify, hi Chad, my name's Erica. Hi Erica. So it's exciting to see businesses expanding during this time. Congratulations. Thank you. Just a quick clarification. Catherine asked whether the frame support, basically the electrical connection for the Amherst copy sign would be removed. And then you said yes, but then in your just now you indicated that maybe it was still there and staying. Well, the electrical connections all gone. It's already been removed. It was part of our electrical permit. There's no electrical connection anymore going to that front of the building. It's all been removed. All right, so that metal housing is next. And then the metal housing itself remains at the moment but the electrical and everything to it is completely removed. So you mean that white panel where the Amherst, that's still there? That is at the moment. Yes, that has. You're going to take that down. That's to me very distracting. Yeah, so if you see in that picture, you see the Amherst copy signs that are laid down sideways right there. So we actually still have those in our possession. We remove those. And one of the things that came about, and I'm certainly not against doing this if the board thinks it makes sense as well, Sean's the owner of Amherst copy and a friend of mine. And so Sean offered to actually reprint right over those. If you, Maureen, can you scroll down for one second to the current signs that we have on the other side? Yeah. The blue ones. So you see those that we have there? So those are light boxes. We don't add electricity to them. There's no lighting behind them. We don't need it because we have main lighting in the front of the building. So I never had intention of lighting those boxes and the electrical from those has been removed. But I can do something like that where it's just a slide and we take the existing sliding panels that we have that have Amherst copy on them right now and they just do an overlay on them. And we can put signage right back up over there. What that would give is a never against more advertising, more signage. So the box is already in place. It's actually in great condition. We have removed the electrical from it. So we would not add lighting to that box. And I would prefer not to have lighting in that box. But we could certainly eliminate a sign over the existing plastic that slides in it, slide it right back in and give it a frontage there again. So it doesn't look so bad there. Yeah, I was interested in that because on the drawings that you supplied from Fitch architecture, there's a new double door, six foot wide double door that's identified as main entrance. And I was wondering if you were. Yeah, that's actually not correct. So in the picture that more, there's actually been a new development in the last 24 hours and my discussions with David Cody and Maureen, can you go back up to the first picture you had for a second? The one you keep going further. The one of the, just showing the front door of the expansion side, the one you had straight up. One more down. One more down's perfect. Right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If we view that picture. So in my discussions with David Cody and talking about requirements for egress and everything else, Laura took it upon herself to add in what she knew that we were going to need 72 inch double doors. So she had taken it upon herself to put it into the drawings that the double doors would be in the picture you're looking at to the right of that expanded side and we would remove those windows there and add double doors. And the reason why is she also in the drawing had put that the patio would be enclosed. And that was never our intention. So this has been corrected in the last 48 hours. And the reason that she put that is, well, the natural egress out of that door, you can see that the patio ends and there's an opening between the existing patio and the new patio. And so it would just make sense for the door to come straight out into that. In my discussions with David Cody and her and figuring out all egresses, we've decided to not do the door there. And the existing door would be turned into a 72 inch door. So that door right now that's under the sign that we're referring to in the middle of the building, that door would actually be the double door. And the patio would not be enclosed. So that would allow for a six foot, from the end of the patio to the windows about 72 inches. So that would give us six feet of egress at all times, both we have double doors out the back, which is 72 inch egress out the back already existing. If we turn that 45 inch door into a 72 inch door, which would just be basically taking that panel out to the right of it and adding the door in right there. And we did not enclose the patio. We meet all requirements for AAB and accessibility for that egress in and out of the both sides. Well, I think that that makes a good case for adding your signage above that double door, because it feels like that becomes. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Well, I mean, that's a nice way to signal that. Because this isn't your main entrance. You're still saying you'll use the original main entrance. This is an exit more than anything? It would also be. So our intention of doing this is to allow for an Amherst Function Hall as well, in which it could be that side will be able to function independently. It has its own two bathrooms that are fully handicapped accessible. It has its own bar. And so what we would do, especially in the off season summertime, is we allow it to be rented out. We would use it for events, perhaps live music events, stuff like the wine and paint nights and those types of events that we could allow to function there. It can function independently at that point. It would function as a main entrance at that point. When we are busy, especially, we can't hide the fact that we're a student base bar, when we are functioning during the college season, we prefer to have one means of egress. And that way, from a management perspective, it makes it really easy. Every door we lock, every one of our doors is maintained by a doorman four nights of the week. And they're exit only except for our main entrance. So at that point, it would function as an exit only. But I agree, the signage aspect, I completely agree. I would love to see that. It's so simple to have that. We have the plastic already for it, to re-vinyl it and slide those right back in that box and put a signage up there. And if the board agrees with that, that's something that's so simple to do. Yeah, so if you don't do that, then I would recommend you take that whole frame out. I completely agree. Yeah, but now will that, this new double, this new and large door, will it be wheelchair accessible? It doesn't look this way. It is, yep, yep. Just like the other side, we are full wheelchair accessible on our main entrance. Yeah, okay. It probably have to do something there. Well, that's up to you. Well, we have to go to the right and making it double size, Catherine. Yeah. Yeah, when we remove that panel, Greenfield Glass is who would do it for us. And so right now, I see what you're saying, Catherine, where it kind of looks like there might be a threshold that doesn't make it accessible. That would change. They would, when we did that, that whole, it's not just adding a door. It's unfortunately, you can't do it that way, which would be much more cost effective. You actually have to remove that entire panel and put a whole new 72 inch egress with no moving on in the middle. There's no, you're not allowed to have a barrier in between, so it'll be a full swinging double door. So in your schematics, you show this patio enclosed like the other, but now you're saying you wouldn't enclose? Yeah, that was never the intention. And I actually never even picked up on it and told me and David Cody were discussing the door regress. And he said to me, well, we need to have that door because when everyone goes out into the patio, they'd be trapped there. And I said, well, no, there's no closure in the patio. It's the twin of the other side. And he said, oh, your sketch shows a patio being enclosed. I didn't even pick up on that until I went back and looked at it and said, oh, you're right. It's not supposed to be. And I've actually, today, I've already been in discussion with Laura Fitch. She's redrawing some of the stuff for David Cody that came up in my discussion with him. Unfortunately, we had a Zoom, you know, technology today. We had a Zoom meeting, Maureen, the one that we are on, we, you and Rob and Dave Cody was part of it, but couldn't talk or say anything. So his questions, he never got to address any of them. He told me that afterwards. And I said, oh, I wish you had walked over to my desk to let me know or... You told me that a week later, literally a week later, we had discussions like, oh, yeah, I had so many questions for you that I couldn't address. And I'm like, David, this was a week ago. And finally, we got to have our discussion and we got to kind of hash out what made the most sense for, you know, means of egress through and out and out. There'll still be a fence in the front of it. You're just saying the side will be open. It'll still match across the front though. Correct. It would be the, if Maureen, is there a picture of the existing patio all the way towards the Pre Street end? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, there is. Right there. So you see how that's open on the end? We put a chain on just for privacy purposes, especially when we're closed. But when we're open, regular nights, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, that chain is removed. If there's any line that comes out of the building whatsoever, we control it on our own patio. That patio actually gets closed when we're open on busy nights and is not allowed to be used. We do not have any patio furniture out there. Again, we're in a little bit of a different day and age right now in that we function completely as a restaurant. We have tables and chairs. Those tables and chairs that you see in that picture actually get, if it wasn't COVID right now and we were functioning under normal circumstances, there would not be tables and chairs on that patio out there. And that's the way we function basically from September 1st till May. And then when the students depart, we reopen off all of our patios. Okay. Can I make a comment? So to second Erica's comment, I congratulate you on expanding and it's exciting to think about those times when we can come back to this type of entertainment. I'm looking at this band, the gray band that's behind the spoke sign that wraps around, wraps along the entire length of the building. I'm wondering if you considered or would consider and how the board feels about the idea of painting that the same blue as the sign. Go ahead. We have thought about that in the past. We actually, that was part of the last design review board meeting and there was kind of mixed reviews on it. Of whether it would be obnoxious to be that much blue around it. The building used to have a stripe that went around the entire building of pink one, which was pretty ugly. And there was discussion about putting that too. And I think it kind of boiled back down to saying, well, if we don't do that and we kind of neutrals, again, that's why we went with the very light gray, both trim and walls is to kind of neutralize everything and allow the signage to stick out because we did go back and forth what would that, unfortunately, that's one of those things where you kind of don't know until you really see it. And it's a bold move. And I think from the port of building, we learned about bold moves. So, yeah, I- Well, let me just, let me just name my thoughts. And that is that, you know, perhaps I don't know exactly when that conversation was, but now that you have taken over that whole length of the space, you know, I think that there's some strength in unifying that facade in some way. And so perhaps, you know, I think the fencing will do that to some extent, they'll add some consistency throughout, you know, the landscaping. And so, you know, it's just, I think now, part of our conversation about, you know, where's the signage and where's the entry. And I agree that certainly, you know, too much of a bold thing is not what we want. But I don't know, I just, I think it might be worth considering, especially given that you have that full length to work with. I think it could actually look really nice to have that kind of like punch of color that just wraps all the way around. Well, going back to that sign box that we have back the other side too, that's a 20 foot sign box. And if we did that, what you see right there in front of you here, those, it would basically be two of those. Take the blue with the spoke white logo in the middle and we put that into the sign box that's on the other side. I think it would tie it in together. I completely agree with you. And I think not having the patio out there currently with that overgrown flower box area that's there does really give it a bad look. And I think that when we bring in that other patio, matching colors, matching everything. And if we left that sign box there and put the blue sign up, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think it would really tie that building in together and kind of complete the whole look from it. Yeah, I just, I guess I was thinking that the sign inch having two signs can often be a little confusing in terms of where the entrance is. So, I think that there's certainly an advantage to having in the absence of doing anything, I would say, definitely put the other sign up. But yeah, I think it could be worth it. It could be worth a quick Photoshop study just to look at what would happen if you brought that band all the way across. Yeah, it's a good idea. Do a Photoshop scene. It gives it a little personality too. Yeah. Because it's a very long building with a lot of glass and it's official, you know, definitely. Do you have blinds in there? Any kind of shade? We don't. The windows are slightly tinted. Mr. Tint, I've actually just discussed with Mr. Tint. They're gonna come in. I've got quotes right now from them to tint the upper parts of the windows a little bit. It's nothing that would affect the look per se because it's a very mild tint. But what it would do would be help us reduce the intrusion of the sun that does come through those because there is a lot of sun exposure where the sun comes right up and over that building. And from about three o'clock in the afternoon to five o'clock in the afternoon, especially in the spring as we approach summer, it's very impactful in that building. Did you abandon your idea of having the window cut out and sell pizza after hours? We did. Yeah, it just, it became too much from a management perspective. I mean, as you can imagine this town, a bar that's a main student bar, by 1 a.m. we've sort of had enough. Yeah. Any other thoughts or suggestions? Are we okay with the, so what do you want to do about the, Lindsay, do you want to sort of encourage a Photoshop of the front of the building to maybe get a big better impression of what a band would look like? Or are you just putting that out as a casual? How do other people on the board feel about it? What about the rest of, what about everybody else? It's fine unless you want them to come back to us then and it's gonna slow down their timeline. I don't know how much time. I wouldn't say that. I think it's not something that we can, you know, I don't know that it's within our domain to say you have to paint this glue book. I just think it would be interesting to hear other people's thoughts on it as a recommendation or a suggestion. You know, I think it makes sense. Hi, I'm Tom, nice to meet you. I think it makes sense. I also see the benefit of the simplicity of keeping it gray. I don't think the secondary sign would be confusing if there were plate times when they would want to use it as a secondary venue, right? So if it's, you know, it has two entrances at certain points during the year for private parties and whatnot, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I do think it would unify the facade to have that sign. I think I would recommend that you have that sign either way. Yeah. And that building's 55 feet long. I think it would be great for it. Yeah. I don't know if you've heard me. This building's 55 feet long. So you're correct when you're saying it's a long building. It is. It's much longer than it looks in these pictures when you're out there. So, you know, I agree on that where I think when you're down one corner of it, and I completely agree with what Lindsay was saying. I feel like if the building was 20 or 30 feet long, then perhaps the two signs together would really kind of cluster and wouldn't make sense. But the building's 55 feet and those signs are probably 35 feet apart side end to end. So I do think they're far enough apart that they don't really kind of blend in too much. I believe that. And I think it doesn't necessarily change my thought on it could be cool to have the blue. But I don't think you necessarily have to have it. It just might be worth looking at as well. Cause it's a neat feature. You know, it's something that a lot of businesses don't really have the opportunity to do. To have that kind of like presence, you know, street presence to like wrap the whole kind of like, in a really, you know, it's actually not that obnoxious of a blue looking at it here, especially it's certainly not as obnoxious as the port of blue. I don't think anything could be nice. You could start on that one. But, you know, I think hopefully that will change in time. And, you know, you kind of have this, you have such a simple aesthetic with your signage that. So looking at it from this perspective, it does look like the Amherst copy sign what's the frame that's left for it is considerably longer than the one on the far. Right, it's going to be, so you're going to have a little bit of an imbalance though. I don't know that most people driving by or walking by would notice it. It's only people that are looking across Kendrick Park would notice that you've got signs of different size. Believe it or not, it's two feet difference. Okay, it looks, it's a little bit noticeable. Okay, any, Jan, do you have any comments or thoughts? I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other. I'd be happy to move that we accept it with a suggestion to consider trying the blue. Good, okay. It's been moved. Is there a second? Second? Okay. Okay, any further discussion? All right, okay, so I'll go through the names here. Just have a clarifying question. So if Chad, I have a clarifying question. So if Chad maybe does like a little Photoshop study and says, oh yeah, I guess the blue does make sense. Can he just proceed and do the blue ribbon or would he need to come back to the board? Oh, you could go ahead. All right, cool. I just wanted to clarify. Yeah, okay. All right, let me go through the names here. Lindsay Schnarr. Yes, or yeah, do you? Yes, and I just wanted to add one note, which is with that suggestion, we just want to be careful that the blues are truly a match and that's all. Otherwise it might be funky. We have a signature color, so which we've had for three years and we've branded ourselves with that. So we would, as you can tell by all the matching umbrellas and signage. Yeah, it's nice. Okay, yes, I agree. Okay, Janet, Mark, Mark. Yes. Erica. Yeah. Tom. Yes. Catherine, yes. Okay, very good. Great, thanks, Chad. Thank you guys. I'll give that info to inspection services. Okay. Great. Best of luck. Thank you. Have a great day. Okay, so we have now the SOFA sign. So Piranha from the town is with us to talk about about the updates regarding the CARES Act and the SOFA sign and... Thank you, Maurice. Thank you, everybody, for giving me some more time today. I just wanted to give you an update based upon revised guidance from the state using our CARES Act Fund when I had originally spoken with you and presented to you. We were working to get things acquired by a certain date, which the state had revised in the last week and a half to need it to be installed and in its useful production life by that date. So that's why I am here today to also let you know that the council based upon your guidance and recommendation and upon clarifying some other points with them has approved the signs for a one-year pilot project, which means that they're going to, from one year from the date of installation, that's the only time that they've given us. So should we want to proceed past that, we would be going through the same process again. So I just want to put the reminder out there that this is a one-year pilot project, not a permanent project as we stand right now. And with that being said, we've had to move up the installation date of the signs and how that impacts this group is I had hoped to give more lead time for us to co-produce and review the back vinyl element, which you had seen just a sample of in the past. So what we're hoping to do, what we're planning to do, and I can pull up the image that we have as a mock-up is to use this opportunity, this challenge as an opportunity since the signs need to be installed prior to 1230, using the back vinyl as a temporary design for public health reminders as we enter into what looks to be a season where we'll need as much public health information going on as possible. So I will pull up my screen so that we can have a visual along with this. That being said, as we talked about in the past, we would have the opportunity, and we can do this almost immediately after the signs have been installed, is think about what we want to change it to so that the idea was we would originally have been in line with the wayfinding signs installation in the spring. We can still do that. However, we need the signs to go in in order to make the project viable. So I'm going to show you what we propose. It's not been, this is just a sample mock-up. So give me one moment and I will share my screen with you. All right, so this is what we had seen before. If you're familiar with the front of the sign, the only thing that's different about this picture is if you can hone in on the left, the sides, the side inserts of the sign, when we had originally showed you just a mock-up, those were red, just to have some color there, but we've gone ahead and put in the matching color from the wayfinding signs as the offset color there. So the difference is, sorry, I'm trying to find the photo, is keeping what we've proposed on the front side of the sign to be in line with the wayfinding as you have seen it previously, to have some sort of intermediate public health reminders in line with some of the other examples in other communities. And again, this is just a quick mock-up, but we wanted to have access information to resources, to folks who might be visiting the town and not aware of how to report concerns. We have the website here for actual COVID-19 information and then just some general reminders. Again, we're not tied to, this text isn't permanent, but it was just in order to show you what we were envisioning for these, for the temporary backs of the signs. Are we, just to clarify and question, are we supposed to be commenting on this graphic? I know you said temporary, so do you want us to comment on it or? So I'm happy to take any, this hasn't been put into production or anything like that, so I'm, since the signs have already been approved, I just thought it, because I promised to come back to this group prior to things going in the ground, I wanted to hold as much truth to that promise despite the updated guidance as possible. So with that being said, if there are things that you would recommend that I can incorporate, I'm more than willing to do so. I know that this won't, and Maureen can correct me if I'm wrong, this doesn't necessarily have to, this doesn't lead to a vote, but guidance or suggestions, I'm more than willing to take on and make sure that it gets put into this temporary version that we'll need for the backs of the signs. If that answered your question, I hope. Yeah, so my thoughts are that I think overall, and I wasn't present for the last meeting, so I don't know if it was discussed, but I think it certainly addresses what was discussed prior to that, which was that we wanted some consistency with the way finding signs that were already being discussed for town, and I think this certainly does that, and I think it looks nice overall. The only thing that stands out to my eye, which is just like a very minor thing, and perhaps others disagree, and I don't feel strongly about it, it's just one minor critique is the outline of the Stay-Stake Amherst just feels maybe that border could just go away. That's, it just kind of feels a little, like it might not be needed or something. I agree. That was one of my initial notes back to them when I got this yesterday, so I completely agree, and that's something that I plan on asking them to remove, especially if that is, if this group's in agreement, it's a little extra. And then I guess there's only one other thing in my mind, which is like, is there a way to make it slightly more playful, and it doesn't need to be right now, like obviously it's not a happy time in our world, but if there were any thoughts about adding a certain kind of, like I spend time at UMass, and they have the like, it's, what is it, Erica? It's tough, but it's helpful. It's hard, but it helps. It's hard, but it helps. Yeah, no, that's not just a mass phrase, but there is like a certain kind of, I don't know, punching us to it or something like that. And yeah, I don't know. I guess I'm open to thoughts on that front, but like ways to just make it a little more interesting. Otherwise, I think, you know, I think it's clear, and I think it's consistent with the overall wayfinding kind of branding that we're doing, and overall, like I have no issues with it at all, just more of a thought of like, is there a way to make it more playful, but maybe there's a number four is something playful, like. Yeah, like something just a joke. Your people have a little bit, because. Yeah, I remember maybe back in September, UMass had a banner over South Pleasant Street, and it said, smile, even, I forget what it said, like wear your mask, but smile underneath. I'm not saying that correctly, but. Wear a mask and wear a smile, and you can do something like that. Yeah, I think that's a great. I think what Lindsay said about the border, I would also remove that. I also kept thinking that maybe that font was different, but I guess it is the same font as the Amherst above, it's just so condensed. And if you could spread those letters a little further apart, it might look more like the one above. Also, could the phrase be more directed to include both residents and visitors? Cause right now, if you're a visitor and you come in and you see that, you almost think, well, okay, that's for Amherst people. You just seem to like keep our town safe, or. I don't know, something that would just direct it to anyone who looks at it. You know what I mean? It could say everyone above. And maybe that's the place you could be playful with the phrase somehow. And then the only other thing is the three numbers are so serif and everything else is sans serif. It's kind of funny. I guess the difference is part of making you notice it, but they really kind of jar to me when you see them. Great, thank you. I'm just over here taking notes. I have very little to say to add, except that the bottom of the shield, the Amherst shield with the book in the sheaves of wheat is clicked off, which kind of drives me that. But other than that, I think that it's looking good. I used a good message. It's clear. Works for me. So the one thing people seem to agree about is take the box away from stay safe Amherst. Potentially put a fourth number there and be. I wouldn't add a fourth number because I think it gets to be too many. All right, OK. So if you want to do something playful, you'll have to incorporate it into what we have there. Finish the bottom of the shield. I hadn't even noticed that. I covered. Yes, it's really annoying. Wait breaks. Are you talking about this, Erica, where it cuts off? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I was looking down below. One below is fine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sorry, Jane, I totally agree with you. I feel like it would become too busy. Although I did suggest adding a fourth. I think it would just be too much. I mean, these are important points, people. And I'm OK with this. So I think they're playful and they draw your attention. I think they're doing what they're intended to do is to set them off from the other information. So I think that those work and I agree about the box and the shield. OK, that's fine with me. I just they just jumped out at me. But yeah, I can see them as playful. Yeah, maybe that's your phrase. Play it safe, Amherst. I like it. OK, so I have those all. Most of those things are already on my list, but I do appreciate that other people see things in a similar way. So obviously, this will make sure it's finished off and will make any revisions to these to make them as clear as possible. And just why we have the three as they're jumping off of what the public health director has told me are her three main points. So that's kind of how we arrived at those. And then I like the idea of keep our town safe and getting rid of that white box and making sure the text really matches everything else or something playful in that area. And I will I'll just say generally because of this really escalated timeline, I appreciate all of your time and input into this project. And we can get something up in the ground and then we can come back to something that maybe is in line with or lends additional information to the way finding science because I really think that's important. Maybe an interim one that says something about how to get the vaccine. Yeah, so at the bottom, I'm not a huge fan of QR codes for many reasons, but we do we do link to our community standalone COVID site, which is where we'll all up to date information will be including vaccines. But I think we do have that opportunity as we discussed in the past to change these out. And you know, if you think about a quarterly basis to something is something that we can get ramp up to for the spring. And if that's the direction that we want to go in then we could do something with it. What the other side is for? Yeah, live information. Live information. Yeah, that's true. It could go there and it could have the actual locations. You know, your doctor's office, the this, the that clinic or something. Yeah. Yeah, so we can push out local updates here using that space. And then the only the only other thing that I was going to show you is that there is this is something similar to other communities that they've done with great success. Ours will look slightly different just so you can see what it looks like in real life. I hope that you can see my screen here. And then but ours would obviously be in our color ways and we would extend our color all the way to the the top of the sign to avoid that metal contemporary look that we discussed in the past. Do we need to vote on this or is it just a kind of extension? Just sort of an information. Is it a date? What would you want more ring? I don't think it matters. Why not just to be safe? Why don't you make a motion? And so if I heard you correctly, it would be to remove the outline and don't cut out the seals to add those portions of that image. And if possible, play with where it says, sorry, you took away the screen. Oh, sorry. No, that's fine. We're at the top. The words within the box that outlines you had played around with maybe keep our town safe. You don't have to play around with it because keep keep our town safe. That might be too many words for that space. I thought Jan's was play it safe. I said a couple of things, whatever. I feel like maybe giving Brianna some flexibility. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine. I mean, she's I wouldn't I wouldn't think you need to say Amherst again, because it's Amherst right above and more space. If you just say through anybody looking at it, play it safe. Yeah, or whatever. Keep the town safe, whatever. But you don't need the word Amherst. No, no. That's a very good point. All right. So with all those suggestions, and did I miss any other recommendations? I think that was it. So I guess, does someone want to make a move? I'd like to move. I move that we approve it with the little suggestions that we made. Okay. A second. Second to that motion by Jan. Okay. I'm going to move the second on all in favor. I'll go through the names here. Tom Long. Yes. Erica. Yes. Janet. Yes. Lindsay. Yes. And Catherine. Aye. So easy. Yay. Last thing. Okay. Great thing. That's it. Technically, you do need to have a although there is no members of the public. Actually, let me double check. Yeah, I want to ask you as a talk. Do we have anybody from the public? No, we don't. Okay. Were there any minutes? No, I will be working on that. I'm sorry, guys. I've been doing too many things, but I will be working on that. Okay. Any other business than anybody wants to bring up? All right. Then do I hear a motion that the meeting be adjourned? I'll move that too. We need you, Jan. Keep things moving along. I'm always happy to. It's anybody, I would like to second that. It's a move to, anybody want to second that? So we get out of here. Okay. It's a move to second it. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Aye. Thanks, everyone. Okay. Happy holiday.