 Chat, what's up the YouTube viewership? What's up, man? If you're in the YouTube right now, please hit the like button Please comment on what your favorite section of this episode was. This is the needed podcast episode 19 This is the 19th week. We've been doing this. I appreciate all the support you guys have given me I'm a little bit under the weather I had a man tournament this weekend who run Philly my man Jimmy do a great tournament gave away over a $5,000 in prizes and I was in this little room all day with man players So naturally I got a little bit sick that always happens to you. So it's definitely something you got worried about man I'm really might switch just to the fifth pound instead of the handshake from now on but Almost over my cold. I feel like I'm about 90% It is Tuesday And it was a crazy week in the man world. It really was it was obviously something we've been waiting for was just competitive men It was the end of the The man challenge and the tournament single elimination There was I believe four rounds of sync or three rounds of single Single elimination until you got to groups Then we got to groups then three people made it out of there Some people had other single elimination games. Some people made it straight to the live event the biggest takeaway we get from all the All the online tournament was just that just the putrid Display of effectiveness that the EA online servers gave us Just I mean as a man that streamed and broadcast and it commentated probably about I mean 90% of the games that were streamed Not a lot of them were streamed and that's understandable That's like a whole nother topic that we've gone over a million times on this podcast and so on and so forth But the biggest thing was just the just the rate at which the games desynced there was a new glitch that came into the game There was a freeze at two minute warnings So some of the biggest games coming down to the wire most I mean most Memorable was the sigh and rage game, but a two minute warning and the fourth quarter in a seven point game froze That was wild and you know what happened to a lot of games Obviously, we all watch problem go through it to two different these things I played in my head tournament that had three desynced within 20 minutes where the game just drops Obviously an online later game It doesn't matter that much because you can just quit starting up a game so on and so forth But in the tournament you have to sit through and you know go back to that point There's no situational mode where you can just program that point into the game and that's something that Really hampered the online experience for everybody today or this weekend man And the biggest thing to me is that you know in life everything, you know, obviously you can't fix this problem You know, they they all know it's a problem. They know that it's happened. They know that the desynced are there They know that they're happening rapidly now. It wasn't just every once in a while I remember talking to chow in Vegas for the man chan man classic and one thing he said like Well, what percentage of games you press I probably say two percent of the games desynced no After watching the tournament this weekend I mean, I would say probably at least 60 70% of the games that I watched and I broadcasted and I commentated 60 to 70 percent of games desynced in which players had to go ahead and restart lose all the momentum that they had lose All the thought process that they had and just have to restart a game and all the adrenaline that you have all the adrenaline That your opponent has whatever it may be if you're up if you got momentum if you're feeling good If you're feeling bad, whatever it may be you have to restart the whole thing and it's really detrimental to tournament play man and and the biggest Thing like I said EA knows this is happening. Obviously, they have no answer for it. They can't fix it Nor I mean, I don't think they don't care That's some of the things that say they don't care because obviously this looks really bad And it's it happened on a live stage a couple times. I want to say two or three times But it was really bad for the what's my color Really bad for the online play the online tournaments and obviously they can't fix it I don't think they wanted to go on and I would think they wish they could fix it But they can't I mean, obviously it's been going on all year They implement the tournament tab now all of a sudden we're freezing it a two minute warning excuse me, oh man Freezing the two minute warning so not only do we have to do with deal with these things now We're freezing into the two minute warning so you can get through a whole game without these things bang Freezing the two minute warning got to restart the game anyway Okay, so from where I'm at as a consumer And that not only is a consumer and we all are at are people that invest their lives into this Invest their time and their energy and their money into this into the product that they are giving us into pretty much You know their whole mcs the whole field everything That they're giving us we're investing everything that we have into this And for it to be this bad and for that to be such a terrible experience For everybody that participated in the tournament and everybody that watched the tournament for it to be that bad I wanted some type of apology from somebody. I don't care if it was a janitor that works at EA I would like somebody to say you know what this is not a standard that we accept and we apologize Because for me, I I understand I'm old enough to understand that not everything's gonna be perfect Man, no matter what you're doing, whether you're doing a picnic whether you're doing a softball game Whether you're putting fireworks up whatever it may be It's not going to be perfect. Things are going to go bad and maybe you might not have an answer for that Maybe it's you know what I mean? Maybe it's Something you can't deal with but to accept it and stay quiet about it and not you know accept How bad it was and how awful experience it was for people that Continued to put their time and energy into it and how bad we what we had to go through what we all had to go through And to not apologize for that to me was very disappointing Now at the same on the flip side if you look if you're in Matt Mark who's situation because he is the leader He is the commissioner. I believe that's I mean that's part of being a commissioner is being a leader. So essentially If you're the leader of this and it's going bad Which it did If you go ahead and admit make make a statement like that. I'm sorry for how bad it was I'm sorry that you guys had to sit through this. If that's your statement That's kind of admitting that you did a shitty job Now anybody in his situation who's already probably on a hot seat Might not want to go ahead and admit that you're doing a shitty job But at some point as a man, I think taking accountability and apologizing for For what happened this weekend and what everybody playing the game had to go through Is a pretty big deal and for me personally that it means a lot That's for someone to accept it somebody at EA. I mean there's so many people And for nobody to say anything about it and just think it was okay for everybody to sit through these desyncs Sit through these freezes and sit through the quality of online experience that we've dealt with and for them to not say a single goddamn thing Was very disappointing pretty much and that that's pretty much what I took in from the whole weekend from EA standpoint That I really wish they would have just um You know just came out and just Said something, you know just acknowledge that is unacceptable You know and and they do it obviously the tournaments are great for all of us man players We really appreciate them put on these tournaments, but at some point At some point you have to have some sort of standard for what you're doing I mean he sports is bigger than life right now and what we had to deal with was not acceptable from any standard And somebody needs to I just wish they would have came out with some type of apology Acknowledge what happened, you know because it was bad and Anybody that watched them playing it would probably agree with me and I think some sort of apology and acknowledge me It would go a long way especially for me Because I am that type of person and maybe it might not work for everybody Maybe it'll just get killed on the apology letter or maybe it'll just make fun out of whatever it may be But for me personally I would love some type of you know acknowledgement and you know accountability from EA Which they gave nothing, you know, they did not acknowledge the fact that the game was shitty all weekend And so we just had to live with them affect the people's games more often than not it really affected problems games But we'll talk about problems game going here and end of I mean we'll talk about problems game going forward here But first of all after through all the desyncs all the two-minute freezes All of the stuff we went through we did come up with 16 players 16 players that made to california 16 players that are going to go ahead and compete for another belt. I don't know how much money this one is total Um chat how much money are we competing for I believe it's like one something I want to say 180 maybe total I don't know. It's not the last tournament was 700,000 You know so out of a million when you take that 700,000 chunk away. It's not that much. So 190k is what the chat is telling me so We'll see But I want to show you guys this is the eight people that we came across This is the groups that they're going to be in for the man challenge And I'm really excited about it because it looks fairly even. I like the way the groups are stacked out No real killer group. Every group is kind of Kind of even I want you guys to check this out Uh, you bring this up for me. Uh griffin. We could take take a look at the groups for the man challenge 2019. I believe this would be and uh, where we at I guess you guys can see that fairly well. We could probably Zoom it up a little bit. Yeah, that's that's perfect. Okay, so this is the first group We got pavin Who defeated clef to get here? I'm we're not going to talk about I mean what happened and that's where you are Going to talk about that but not right now. That's going to be later in the podcast So stay tuned we'll talk about penalties accepting declining and when you shouldn't should not accept But pavin, obviously we had him on the podcast about two pot two three podcasts ago Demand club series champion made california again great performers by him Obviously probably the top five player top one player right now is pavin. He is right here Then we have beast mode mac man 17 man challenge champion Obviously you guys shouldn't on beast mode mac be somewhat familiar with beast mode Then we got crit Crit I mean it's been a twist. That's for a long time. This is his first live event This is his first opportunity to be on the live event stage We'll see what he has and then we got syah joe the same thing Anybody that's played money games played mws played players lounge gamers and whatever You know syah joe if you played the leaderboard is I got juice You've got to know syah and and this is his first live event as well So you have two new new booties in there with with two chip two belt winners That's a pretty I mean if you want to put two new booties put them with two belt winners Two guys with a lot of experience. I mean I wouldn't I can't even think I Obviously beast mode won the man class or the man challenge and man 17 That automatically put him into the man championship at the end of the year I'm trying to think of beast mode made any other live event since then like it was just a man challenge that year that he won And then the man championship, obviously, I don't know if he made it out of groups I don't really don't remember but uh And pavin this is his first year really competing. So although these guys have experience they have belts They're not the most experienced belt winners. They're not, you know, skimbo kids so on and so forth but They definitely have experience and both have belts against two guys that we have not seen on a live event stage So that'll be I mean, obviously if you want to ask me If I were going to pick who wouldn't make it out. It's going to be between. I mean the crit versus syah game I'm not sure. I never really played crit And uh, I don't know what he has or what's going on draft champ is really funny, man You might give crit his number one book and give these other guys shitty books And you know why he have it might have a little advantage, but for me as I've syah Sy or crit whichever one of those struggle whoever wins their game I think we'll get out of there whoever loses their game might see the road But we'll see it's going to be interesting man draft champions is pretty much anybody's ballgame And everybody's going to be pretty even but the one playbook Unbalanced will be a big deal But I would pick uh the loser of syah and crit to be the one to not make it out of this group Then we go on to the next group. We got kane man We got jay. That's the best last year's ravens club series champion We got spoto the young angry guy that's mad at the game all the time and we got books the the the air eating plant drinking Old guy books as I referred to books the other night the most boring man in the history of the world But that's my guy and he's back at a live event Probably has the most experience of anybody on this list kane's has a little bit obviously experience He's done a lot especially in club teams back-to-back bears club series champion was in manbolts 17 Was in the man championship that year as well. So kane's has experienced books Old man books is back playing spoto who probably once again looks like an eight-year-old And then jay is the best the ravens club series champion last year. So this is definitely a decent little group I would Man, I think kane's is playing good right now. I don't think he he lost it all in the online play I think he's got a chance if he's got a good book He's got a chance to make a run obviously books for me My favorite the person i'm rooting for so anything I say with books isn't going to be biased um, but I think uh, I think jay is the best of the one that does not make it out of here I think kane's and books are pretty good. I think spoto's good and I don't know about jay Is the best we'll see what he does we can do but I would pick him to be the one not to make it out next group Drenny vs. Ghost again, I'm tired of watching Drenny vs. Ghost vy electrified a skimbo slayer And then we got westley joe rice Down here. This is it. I mean, this is a good little group man. You got bunch man ghost bunch man joe rice Drenny and then vy who I mean is going to run the ball going to play good defense Really solid player that I mean obviously this is I believe he won a giants last year But this is for me clubs is a little weird because I feel like clubs is kind of easy Now I don't want to say easy to win But it's like it's a little easier to make a one of these if you guys get what I'm saying I feel like making one of these final 16s or final eights is a big deal And obviously joe rice is done and ghost obviously has about journey has about So vy would probably super be the underdog in this situation and I would expect him to make not make it out But then again joe rice did get blown smooth out twice and still make it So joe rice lost by 40 in two different games and still made it here somehow So god bless him. So like I said, what vy can beat joe rice I think vy might make it out and vice versa because I think ghost engineer elite man players I really do. I think I think don't handle these of the two guys fairly easily Move down to the last group another great group. I think these groups are really balanced I think there's no like group that we sit back and say oh that group's amazing And there's no group we sit back and say oh, I wish I was in that group I think they're all pretty balanced man. I think they did a good job. We got carry cue Of all the people in the man community I've probably gone out with carry cue the most as far as going to the club and to the bars And being on the women he did fall in love in vegas a couple weeks ago and he lost that girl So I hope carry cue found that girl that he found in love with and then she ran away. He didn't get her number He was looking on social media. He gave some shout outs Do you remember some and he tried to describe her to people and I hope he found that girl and he got to the girl that I made the final 16 for the man challenge So come check me out. So carry cue carry deuce is is alive and and honestly If if carry is going to make a make a run it's definitely going to be draft champions So you get a good deuce book get a fast receiver a good running back I think he's definitely going to be a problem for anybody to deal with And then another thing you have crushing kiv two guys that play a lot together two guys that lab or whatever may be And it's interesting because And then you have prodigies noble prodigies shout out prodigies for making another event another decent player So this is a pretty even obviously have kiv who's elite And the rest is pretty even It's a pretty even field another even group But this is interesting to me crushing kiv is because Now I don't know if they think about this kiv is probably a nerdy probably thinks about this, but Me and skimbo the man classic Last year we were in the same group. He didn't talk to me at all He didn't want to play me. He didn't want to help me get ready to play to other people He didn't do shit. He's just like we just People thought like we know No, like skim because this was skimbo's thought process And I'll tell you guys this is he was thinking like okay If me and w are going to do the same thing against carry, right? So if crushing kiv lab all day to stop carry, right? So so carry plays crush first, right? Let's say that And what crushed the and crush sees the defense that they lapped up What skimbo thought was because if I The skimbo was like if if I give my opponent a chance to see my defense Like if I give w my defense and he plays that opponent By the time that opponent is ready to play me, he'll be that much more prepared for the defense Or he'll be that much more ready to play me. So essentially I'm wondering if kiv and crush are working together Or they're like chilling and they're not really, you know lock in on this because this is interesting to me that you know is Because skimbo wouldn't help me like he wanted to help me get we had to play true boy rest in peace and we had to play um Stevie j skimbo we didn't go over it like we didn't talk or do anything like that at all like nothing and essentially it was uh Because he was afraid that if I ran a certain defense against Stevie j by the time he played Stevie j That Stevie j would adjust to and be able to beat it So he wanted to do his own thing and let me figure out on my own So I don't know if crushing kiv ever put any thought into that. Are they going to lab up and Try to get out of here and try to you know Beat carry and prodigy or they just want to be on their own Interesting thought process. I don't know like I said if I look at this, I think Between crushing prodigy is the one that's not going to make it out. I think carry is going to be really tough and induce in draft champions But we'll see how they go approach it is something I'll be looking at this crushing kiv run the same exact defense against carry Do they have something different or are they on their own or are they together? What is their thought process? Because like I said skimbo would not help me at all, you know I think a lot of that was skimbo To this day skimbo is afraid of me because he knows on that big stage I will put hands and feet on him. So any advantage he gives me will stop him from winning that That's pretty much how it is I think that's ultimately it and I think kiv kind of has mind control over the rest of his crew Like I don't think anybody in kiv's little crew will ever beat him Other than I think mo because I think nobody has mind control over mo. I think mo Can you know mo mentally is tough enough to be anybody but these other guys? I don't know about crushing and jeff and I know westley has no chance of beating kiv But I don't know about crushing jeff and him. I don't know if they have The ability to beat their leader because like I actually I feel about emb I feel like ghost could be a million times better than joke But joke will always be ghost because joke is just a leader and ghost is just a pawn. But anyway By the way, that's the groups that was the uh Just my brief going on my brief synopsis of the groups man. That's definitely A tough thing to uh see you guys and everything It's definitely uh good groups to look at good games coming up. I believe it is the um I believe this is The march. I want to say march 14 15 Something like that the middle of march. This will go down Little bit extended from um before I want to say two weeks from now or three weeks from now Before I believe it was like the next weekend or it was like two weeks was the Was the longest man You know that's pretty much I think two weeks was like once you made the event Bang you scheduled you flew out you played that weekend. So this is a little bit of time I believe these guys will go ahead and play uh A lot more draft jumps I saw Wesley playing earlier today playing sally cap I think there's something to be said about standpoint man standpoint good people As opposed to just wanting to play uh The same mode. I think it's okay to play different modes, but the last week I would just focus on one mode, you know that that same type of speed Those same type of players, you know them same type of draft especially The biggest difference for me is probably the route specialist You know, there's nothing in draft champions like that, you know And I see a lot of these kids playing and using that a lot especially with their bunch and um It's definitely the biggest difference to me in between the two different modes But I'm pretty sure those guys will lock in and it'll be pretty good, uh but We'll see how it goes Like I said, I mean I'm ready for boasting with a belt and I will tell you right now chat If bogs wins a belt, I will eat nothing but salads for two months straight two months straight So my birthday is may 11th. I will eat nothing but salads a salad for breakfast a salad for lunch I will drink air. I will drink water out of a mason jar with lemons in it I will do all that if bogs wins a belt. I promise you that and I will be 170 pounds And you guys won't recognize me, but we'll see I mark my words if bogs wins a belt when bogs wins the belt I mean I'm fully honestly because I will tell you this as a man that's played the hell out of bogs for for three years This is probably the best bogs has been playing at least Since before the man bowl that I won like bogs is playing really good football right now So hopefully he gets a decent draft and a decent team And we'll see how it goes um but On to the bigger news in the week the bigger drama so to say the bigger Topics that all you guys want to talk about because everybody wants to talk about these topics This is why they show up. This is why they watch I mean, obviously we can talk about the groups and talk about the games, but let's talk about the topics I mean the first one I got on my list Is the beast motorcyrus and this is directly related to problems game. We've all watched problems game We all watched it The two descents the descents on fourth and eight from his own from his from problems 40 Whatever they'd be out of field or range We all watched that pretty much and uh After the game so on so problem kind of went through all these descents The kid didn't know how to get back to the right spot Then he had to restart the game and get so on and so forth the game took three hours And obviously we all root for prime because when hey, I mean he kind of friends with everybody But he's also like the biggest streamer so he has a green following So you always want to see for me personally you always want to see people that stream and put man Is their career you want to see them do good, you know So I'm gonna especially against a creep name like I will listen I will always root for the real name over the creep name every day of the week. I don't care what it is. But anyway so They play prime gets a little bit cheating in the game Uh The the opponent we're just going to call him the opponent caught two high balls like playmakers just Just some not I want to say super Flukey catches but just some catches. It's like come on man So I felt like prime was playing good defense. He's playing good. Then he had that overthrow if you guys remember I'm sorry. I wouldn't really have highlights for it, but it's not that it's not the point of the Topic he had that overthrow pick and it was just like damn He went through all that desync and all that restart and then kind of get a little bit cheated So the game was over bank the game's over So now we find out that this king duck character was essentially cyrus Now all you guys know cyrus. He's uh been in the band community forever Good guy, I guess I don't know nothing bad about him. I've always had pleasant talks with him and everything So I have no problem with him. You know what I'm saying Beast mode same thing been in the band community forever Bang bang bang been in emb whatever never had any problems with beast mode been a pretty decent kid to me I have no problem. You know what I'm saying? So boom now these two guys live together Okay So what problem was alluding to in a couple of his messages after the game was that maybe beast mode who I would have Ah Me personally, I don't know how good cyrus is at the game. I don't know how good beast mode is at the game I never thought beast mode was some super elite player like in kiv skimbo goals or the joker Somebody like that beast mode's been a pretty decent player, but we can all agree. He's not a super elite player You know and cyrus Might be just an average player whatever it may be But anyway problem was alluding to the fact that maybe beast mode plays the game for cyrus because they live together Now this has always been a problem in madden that people assume is going to happen And the most recent example was the early mud head tournament when Kiv played all the games for serious mo And emb accused them of that where and so that was the first example of that Was when kiv was playing for serious mo early in the year this year, but in all seriousness, um You never really know who you're playing in an online tournament, but for me as far as i'm concerned I've always felt like I should pretty much be able to beat anybody You know, and I really don't know who i'm playing on the other and like I said, I uh Played a lot of emb members in these online eliminations. I really did and um You always assume when you're playing a franchise evil low Little man, whatever it may be It could be joker because joker lived down the street from all these guys And it's like he could just show up at their crib and play the game And it's something they've always accused emb for and and emb always accuses other people with this But ultimately I think it's just a part of online man that we kind of got to expect We kind of got to you know Anticipate it and expect it, you know, it's really not a big deal because I feel like everybody Kind of has the opportunity to do it me myself I've never been I would never let anybody play I would rather lose than play Than let somebody else play for me because I feel like as a man it's like For me, it's like for me to say I'm not good enough to win. Can you come please play my game? What? Like what? I just I would I on my mother I'd rather lose than admitting that ever in my life I would rather lose but so for me that's never been an option Um I would I mean there was other notions of people having multiple uh Multiple Gamer tags in the tournament and that's something I mean I fully expect everybody to do You know, if you have some some friend down the street that wants to play mad You know, you want to go grab some games getting a leaderboard. I would 1,000 do that and I would 1,000 asked 1,000 ask, you know, or 1,000 assume that Multiple people did that man, you know this year in the dc tournament Because you all you gotta do is qualify on the top 96 You can go over your buddy house play play 50 games And qualify or whatever may be Qualified and you got two chances now. Obviously if you win for your buddy And he makes it in he has to go and he's not going to win shit when he gets there You know, but at least y'all won that $5,000, you know, so it's definitely something I mean, I fully expect people to do. I don't think anybody actually won and got in there So yeah, I'm looking at the chat a little bit I've kind of been and youtube you guys can help me I've kind of been debating whether or not I look at the chat during the podcast or not You know, because I don't want people to the youtube viewership to go back and look and be like damn I mean, who's he talking to if I talk to anybody. I'm talking to the chat, but So on and so forth, but like I said People playing games for people has been around since online man has started Especially I won't even tell you how many times nfl players will get somebody hit up a And you'll be surprised how much this happens nfl players will hit up a professional man player and say Y'all got a gamble against my guy for $5,000. Can you sign on my name and play stuff like that happens all the time? It's all part of online gaming, you know, you never really know who you're playing on the other end All you know is the gamer tag and that's something as man players I think we've all accepted and really it's not something to really talk about really honestly until And the one talk is about can we make streaming mandatory? It's tough to make streaming a mandatory thing for people Because it ultimately is like why It's tough because the streaming equipment. I mean that me problem or people with computer computer is at least a thousand dollars Things about webcams mics all this extra stuff is just like now you're kind of expecting now you're kind of opening up The mad the the the tournament field to only like professional gamers You know, you remove the whole thought process of somebody just playing for fun and making a run in a tournament And I think it's a little bit unfair that you I mean ultimately for somebody like me I wouldn't care obviously But I think it's a little unfair for people that aren't, you know Set up whether internet-wise or equipment-wise to stream mandatory But it has been talked about in meetings. I've been able to competitive meetings Do we want to you know make streaming something mandatory? But we'll see if that's ever a decision going down the line and uh You know, we'll see if there's positives and negatives to making everything stream the mandatory It would be cool for man. It definitely would be more exciting. This week would have been way better especially this weekend Group play games and the the the winning getting games would have been so much better because we saw Chat you guys tell me we saw rage versus sire decent, of course And we saw eagles nations games. That's all we saw all weekend. That's it You know But anyway So that's pretty much like I said people playing for people has been around men since online happened It's something we accept. So I think complaining about it. I mean, what can you really do? There's really no answer for it. It's going to happen Kid's place for everybody in top man joke place for everybody emb Skimbo played for bugs into getting to the tournament You guys didn't know that but it happened because Books is so ass right now. You hit up skimbo and said we cannot play for you I'm joking too many people take my shit too serious. Sometimes when I say jokes like that like seriously i'm Books played his games promise you but anyway That was that topic now. Let's get on to the the next topic which is pavin versus clef Which stream streaming in this could have helped this dilemma Now this game and my understanding comes down to Kind of I want to say etiquette I think that's the rule we want to use, you know etiquette is kind of the rule We want to throw out there. It's kind of the word we want to throw out there What type of etiquette does a man player have to do? What is expected of a man player? What is expected because I feel like at some point we're all kind of friends You know, I feel like everybody, you know is kind of my friend, you know And I wouldn't want to cheat anybody out of anything But at the same time I want to win You know when it comes down to what penalties are acceptable what time in the game is a penalty acceptable When can you accept the penalty, you know because obviously we get to a point where all the um Delay games start to gain people You know people don't accept them the only person to ever really accept them was joke and the man ultimately But you know jokes a different type of person and we'll get to that in a couple seconds But essentially if you guys did not hear What happened between pavin and clef clef needed gaming representatives? So I was a little biased and I'm going to be a little biased on this conversation but What happened was it was it was late in the game Clef was down points. He needed to get the ball back from pavin He was down like three a minute left in the game if pavin gets one first down the game is over Clef holds him the three yards on first down second and seventh and before when Pavin comes out of the huddle going to the line of scrimmage Before like the y receivers even get set I believe what happened was clef clipped on the d the end hit the right trigger by accident Dn goes off size does the jump thing jumps off size gets from second and seven to second and two Bang, that's a huge play a huge penalty to take because second and two is that much easier Second and two is you know, I mean there's yeah, it's pretty much going to get a first down to end the game So that penalty essentially kind of ended the game for clef Now, I don't know. Obviously it was accident. He didn't want to do that. He wasn't on aggressive. He didn't fake hike And uh, it was just it was just something it was something that And this is what's crazy about it. It's something that if they were playing a $20 game He would I would and it all right put it like this if he was playing a $20 game If he was playing 20 any time in the game, it would have happened. He probably would have declined it If it was a hundred dollar game it happened in the first half Probably would have declined it And it was a big moment in the game and you know what I mean? It's that kind of thing, man and we'll talk about this all the time because I feel like and clef told me that poppin said if he was playing somebody else, he would have declined If he was playing bazooka larry, he would have declined it But because he was playing another tough opponent on his same level and wanted that first down to get out Then poppin accepted it, you know, and that's I feel like you got to be the same You're accepting and declining got to be the same for every single person You know and honestly for me what I saw I would have accepted that But because it happened to my man clef. I think it was scummy But I want to give you guys two examples I found two examples from man live event Of where people chose to accept or decline the penalty You know, and we'll talk about this. We actually have Young kiv is in the chat right now madden superstar posted boy for madden Although he hasn't done shit this year for some reason. He's still the posted boy for madden, but let's get to these two examples The first one I want to show you is young kiv griffin gonna bring these up for the people at home This is young kiv against carry q now. This is a little bit different Because this is the first quarter of the game You know saying this is the first 30 seconds of the game It's not even the first quarter. It is the first 30 seconds griff, can you bring this up? Yeah, there we go. So this is against carry q Bang young kiv. This is I want to say madden 17 madden challenge Now this kiv carry boxed them so much. He has a fourth and four on his own 31 first play of the game Now you see carry is just a weird old on defense He's like pressing not pressing and if you remember this year, they had the little motion out glitch He gets this guy off sides Now kiv is running his play, you know and bang. He throws this incomplete You know kiv does uh, you know, i'm a decline net You know why because I didn't deserve that that was a glitch in the game And you see he's thinking about it But ultimately he's going to decline that you'm saying because kiv has the you know The the four thousand dollar gucci jacket on and he says, you know, I don't need that He has the four thousand dollar gucci jacket and the 40 dollars in makeup on and the 400 dollar haircut So he declines the penalty and ultimately I will tell you this chat You see how much success kiv has had since then because he's honestly an honorable person But I also rewind this if this happened at the end of the game would kiv decline this penalty You know, and that's kind of where I'm at would you decline it would you understand? And carry here happy you know saying he got the ball carry q meaning of a live event this time will make a run So that's an example of kiv declining a penalty bang Now I want to give you an example of the biggest scummy penalty in the history of mcs error This penalty happened against me And this was joke A man that's outspoken about everything And I will show you this play right here Notice chat notice this this is the man classic and I will tell you this this game I I got cheated out my life in this game. I mean listen I should have won this game and I should have won his belt because I would have beat the hell out of skimbo And he knows that too But anyway, notice the time of the game 120 He's he's near field will range. I'm in a tough spot defensively, right? So what happens is it's first in 10 Joke is flipping the bunch drinking the punch uses some clock. So if he gets the first down runs the draw We and what he does right here. He no huddles Hey, you know, I mean, I don't want to say he was no huddling just for this stupid shit that he and I get off sides Now me myself, I couldn't do nothing about that. What the hell did I do? I could have put the controller down and did the same thing He didn't earn that I wasn't on aggressive. I didn't do anything anything to warrant getting a penalty right here Nothing And this penalty essentially takes him from the 450 yard line In the field will raise to where he can just run the ball and get a field goal. And what does joke do? Exception Exception Now that is the worst possible penalty you can accept Right there is the work because at least like cleft clicked on the guy went off sides That is the worst possible penalty you can accept and joked that on the live stage at the live event So I never he could never ever in his entire life complain about anybody ever accepted a penalty Now, I mean, I don't know what I would do But I might accept. I don't know what I would do. But I think that cleft penalty I accepted uh, but Ultimately, it's always tough not taking the free points or not taking the free You know what I mean the free yards But anyway, that was my two examples of penalties that you can accept Decline whatever it may be. I mean ultimately the choice is yours But I think you have to stay consistent and if you would accept it in the first quarter You pretty much I accept it in the fourth quarter if you would decline it in the first quarter You gotta decline it in the fourth quarter. It's kind of that. That's how I feel about it. You kind of got to stay consistent And ultimately I mean I I think you can't really argue as somebody Accepting penalties for them to win them the game. I mean EA sports is in the game, but essentially that's what pavin did It wasn't it wasn't as bad as the joke one and it he didn't win him the game Where I don't think this joke penalty won him the game. I kind of just think You know, I mean obviously give you a huge advantage and that one game pavin a huge advantage to get that first down But ultimately there's there's some type of etiquette. I don't know what the unwritten rules are. I really don't but uh I mean shoot You got to decide whether you're going to go for it or not and uh pavin obviously accepted his penalty And like I said people ask what should I do when joke they accepted the penalty? Like what are my options to do? You know what I mean? Like what what should I do? You know what I got to think about the next play because He was not I mean he was like regs He was kind of field of range after he accepted that penalty and it's like if I start complaining about it You know, like what's going to happen. They're not going to stop the game They're not going to give me my five yards back. Nothing like that is going to happen So I pretty much had to focus on the next play because I figured if I could stop him Hold him for no yards. He can get the biggest day of the 42 and kick a 59 yard or something I really had to make sure he didn't get any more yards. So if my thought process wasn't about the penalty Obviously the penalty sucked, but it was more about I got to keep playing this game is not over pretty much You know, I didn't complain because it was me. It's like what like What are you really going to do? What is that going to solve complaining about it, man? You got to keep playing, you know, and honestly pretty much everybody I'm I mean pretty much everybody's kind of different, you know, how you react to a situation like that Kind of determine how it's going to work and I'll tell you what because clef Obviously, he didn't like it So it became a big deal because he thought the computer just did it. It was a computer thing So on and so forth So maybe that effect how you play the next couple days and I know they took like a whole day off in between the games So to me that was huge I mean, it's hard to keep your moment. We talked about the descents. We talked about the freezes, man It's hard to keep your momentum through all of that, man. It really is Hard to keep your momentum and it's hard to keep that intensity going the whole time really but uh That's that's that's the whole penalty thing, man. You like I said, you got to stay consistent I don't really know where to draw the line. I think all penalties are pretty Acceptable. I mean, like I said, the one joke except it was pretty much the worst to no huddle My computer player bump into his offensive line Is probably the worst one you can get honestly But that's enough of that. That's enough of the poppin versus clef. Obviously pavin went on the win the game And he's in the groups we talked about earlier Good luck to him in the tournament We'll see how the madden karma fights back as we saw kiv declined the penalty and he's had a lot of success Since then, you know, pavin accepted the penalty. We'll see how it goes for him down the line, you know But the next thing I want to get into is the man drama videos man, we've seen Yo mama has man drama and now we're seeing um gph. Oh, you guys know gph doing a lot of man drama videos And I just this is how I feel about these videos You know one they're done by people that kind of aren't in our circle They they aren't I'll tell you that right now even your mama at some point is kind of your mama's like I think your mama's a super clown. I'll tell you that right now. I think he's a super super super clown Because one minute. He's your best friend W. Let's go out to the bar. Let's go to the club. W. Let's hop on his seat with this Let's make a song. Blah. Say blah. You didn't blah. Say let's make a needy gaming song. Blah. Say blah Then I mean then the next week he put in our posts about me and skimbo still being racist And he said the needed gaming logo is just a skinhead logo with little change Why would y'all support this literally made that post a couple weeks ago? I think he is a person that will do anything for attention And just piggybacks off our names to get attention and I don't like giving him any attention honestly But I don't think he's doing the man drama videos anymore. I think gph Who I think is a pretty decent kid. He's a little bit over the top. He's um Kind of in that same Avenue, you know what I mean? He's kind of in that same But I don't want him to become a super clown about this type of thing because ultimately I feel like me I can talk shit about any one of you guys because one i'm a party y'all y'all my friends And I know what's going on amongst all I know every situation there is I've been in all these situations I've been at the highest point of man. I've all this stuff so I can talk any shit I want any man drama video I want I can do but these guys that are kind of outside of the circle that are just Like casting stones and pointing judgment for views on the man competitive scene I don't like it, you know, and I don't want it to become a clown show That it's always been with your mama and I don't think gph is there yet But he's flirting but to be honest with you and uh I think there's an avenue of Players like gph who are pretty decent man players like not they're not great obviously Could probably qualify for like the draft champions tournament could probably crack the top hundred and we can leave You know like halfway decent man players like not your average the bazooka joe is pretty much what i'm saying Like guys that play man a lot, you know, they're better than everybody on their block They're better than everybody in their high school But they're not good man, you know what i'm saying and I feel like those are the ones that hate the man the competitive scene the most You know, those are the ones that that wish they were like good at man And they wish they could be the best man players But they but they're not there and because of that they hate the competitive community I think there's a niche for that type of person, you know what I mean you know, I think Those are the people that like these man drama shows kind of like Appeal to you know what I mean like the the halfway decent Like the solid man player that wants to be great, but just isn't there yet, you know Uh, and it's pretty much It's pretty much uh, I think that's what the man drama show is for that type of person And I feel like there's there's more of that type of person that is halfway decent and man Then there are elite man players like like us, you know what I mean? And I think the man drama show is kind of for them And uh, I mean, it's been good. I think gph does a good job. He's he's an entertaining kid He does a good job But I just don't want it to become a clown show where he just starts fabricating a lot of stuff Like your mama would do and that's where it's like. All right, buddy like Let's not let's not go too far. Let's not get out of hand with this Let's keep it you know keep it real. You know what I mean and like I feel like he you know and honestly We'll see how it goes. I mean, I don't have a problem with pretty much Anything he really said. I mean one of the things about he talked about his latest Man drama video and you guys can check that out gp a gaming powerhouse. This is youtube I don't know if you guys know you guys should know who gph is but anyway latest video he talked about kiv Getting game film or somebody else while he was bitching about his game film being out I mean, I don't think I mean I don't think that's a hypocritical thing. I think just because like Just because I don't want my game film being out doesn't mean I can't go ask somebody else's game film, right? Like like what's wrong with that? Of course, I don't want my shit going out It was saying but I I want to find everybody else's shit, right? I mean, I don't understand why what's the problem with that I feel like every man player in the world At this level is going to be Trying to find every ounce of information that they can and if you don't use every answer It doesn't matter any field in life that everything and you do in life Every field that you have man, if you're not trying to access as much information as you can You're just letting yourself down. There's so much information out on everything that we do man Between the internet between youtube between wikipedia or maybe there's so much information Between your friends know what stuff between, you know elders know what stuff There's so much information that you have if you're not accessing as much information Or if you're denying information that people are trying to give you or anything that's available to you You're just doing yourself a disservice man There's so many opportunities to learn more about everything in life And if you're not using these advantages that you have to gain more information You're really just letting yourself down, you know, honestly, you know, I mean And To me I I feel no shame I have no shame for somebody trying to learn more about something that can help them in life Whether it be because learning more about how my opponent plays man Is like that's going to help me advance in the tournament. That's going to help me become a better man player You know, and I have no problem for someone even a kid said that some guy just gave him the film because Honestly, and I and I'll go back to this same group of youtube type people That are halfway decent a man, but not good enough to compete They kind of want to be in the competitive realm You know, so if if I'm a youtuber and I'm pretty good at man Oh, should I have something that can help him? I'm gonna hit give up because I want to be kim's friend You know, I want to do something good for kim because he's the man And maybe that'll give me my low end to get into competitive. So I'm I'm more than certain people would hit Excuse me people would hit give up to send him things You know because they would they want him into competitive or they want to be in that competitive realm They want to be friends with somebody that's that elite Goes back to that So but like I said, if you're not trying to access every bit of information You're doing yourself a disservice And I I think just because even if kill was out looking for to take like which which I would do all the time I mean, I remember the man classic when I played online every game I I had to play I remember I had to play short text school I hit up akg because he just just lost them akg. What's up, man? Can you I passed broadcast? Do you have the game? Oh, he streamed on his channel? Okay, thank you akg. Let me go check out short texas goon twitch. Oh damn. I'll just watch that game Okay, next game who I got playing this all got play franchise. I forget Oh, let me go check out this game and ask anybody you can I don't see what is wrong with that I don't see how you can point and say that And at the same time, I don't want none of my shit get now. I'm deleting my past broadcast I'm making sure nobody recorded it. Please don't record this shit delete the know my past broadcast is for nobody I'm gonna do my best job to hide my shit because that's my job as a competitor I have to do the best thing I can do to hide everything that I'm doing 1000 percent. That's my job So I see nothing wrong with even if kid went hunting for stuff. I don't understand what My like I said last week on on the show I mean my biggest thing with the kid and mowing on him. It's just how they just demean how somebody's trying to ground youtube that's corny to me because That's the only problem I had with their whole interaction. Really. I really did and I told you guys if I played off stream I would ask somebody but that's just me Nobody else. But other than that, I have no problem with anything that went on whoo We should have examined we don't talk about young kids getting this getting obnoxious It really is like I said, especially somebody that really hasn't done shit But anyway That's pretty much how I feel about them shows man Uh, when your mama did it was a clown show it was because he's a clown period Just a man that wants any type of attention for anything that he does period And I don't want gph to go down that road Because I think he's better than that. He's uh more entertaining. He is more creative and There's more things to talk about man. I find things to talk about man every single week Even when there's nothing to talk about I find things to talk about But the last thing I want to get to man is the eagles nation thing That was a big deal for me And I kind of thought a lot different than most of you guys thought and I'm going to look at the chat a lot right now because This was something that was kind of important to me and kind of I want you guys to relax because a lot of y'all A lot of people want to talk about eagles the eagles nation For those of those that you don't know that are in the chat that are in youtube, whatever it may be Who's ever in that doesn't know eagles nation eagles nation is 19 years old Uh, I first want to say I Ran the eagles nation. I want to say man 16 when he was a chubby little 15 year old Got to my throat a lot of talking but uh Yeah, so I first ran the eagles nation probably man 16 He was a little chubby 15 year old or whatever and um I remember in the man in the in the munt world Everybody scammed somebody like that's pretty much I think The eagle but he was nation anyway So he was a kid Streaming trying to play mutt trying to get into the mutt community. He's a little bit weird You know, he would wager here and there and so on and so forth and uh, essentially for In the past four years from man 16 to man 19 He did a lot of welching Burning people on wages burning people on money games even to this day like Not paying up what he loses and so on and so forth and he also Do a lot around a lot of racial stuff a lot of racial inwards and all this stuff that was terrible I didn't know about any of this but I've heard from a lot of people that I respect a lot of people that I trusted this happened Cool. So first of all, I want to do two different subjects This the burning subject and it's the racial subject. First, let me talk about the burning thing This is how I feel About because I really think the two first of all the two scumbag things But I think the two different things to begin with And one before I start any of this conversation Never am I once will I ever stick up for the for any of these actions? Never do I condone any of these actions? Never do I just Ignore any of these actions. They are terrible both of them equally terrible. All right period I will start that before I start any of what I'm gonna say because I don't want you guys to ever confuse that from me that all this stuff is bad but Let me separate I want to talk about the burning thing first because I want to get you guys how I feel about when people burn people because I mean between ish one And I get the equal nation We all know people that burn in twitch burn in the man community wherever it may be And I feel like once you burn somebody whether it's for five dollars or twenty dollars or two thousand dollars You become labeled somebody that burns somebody at welches right and that label never leaves you like For the rest of your life, you're always going to remember that person now chat You could tell me if I'm wrong like you really like you remember that person burn somebody right quick reads bang You remember that I feel like burning somebody for me in my life. This is how I feel This is how I feel I feel like if I'm going to go best somebody online, right? I'll bet you 20. I don't care who you are. I don't care if you're bazooka larry in the chat, right? I will bet you 20 dollars. I will say let's bet 20 on something now if I win and you don't pay me I mean, I really can't be that mad because I don't know who the hell you are I mean it is what it is I got when I go into the original bet with somebody a random bazooka larry name that nobody has seen If I go into that bet I risk myself losing that money because I don't know who that person is He might not pay me. He might pay me. Who knows? I feel like online and twitch met in the man community people have credit You know, I mean, you know, I know who I can bet with and me myself I pretty much only bet with people that I've met in real life But I know the people I can bet with you know, and if I decide to bet with this random name and he doesn't pay me God bless him. Now his credit is shot Right. There's people in the man community. You guys know their credit is shot Eagles nation as soon as I hear this guy burn this guy His credit is shot. So for me, if you choose to gamble with this person again, and they burn you again It's kind of a fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me situation That's how I feel about burning. I think it's the scummiest thing All the man all man really has in his world is his word and if your word isn't worth shit What type of man are you? I will tell you that right now. That's how I feel about burning But I mean, it's not for me somebody a welch is somebody it's not like a Crucifiable act. It's not a crucible thing because I feel like I mean, part of it is the person that's gambling. That's how I feel about Gambling and as far as people that are owing people money. You mean that's it But that's just how I feel about the burning thing, you know and And being sick and trying to do this as rough, but um Now we can but now we can get into the racial thing And you guys know me. I dealt with this immensely. It is the reason I just have my own esports It's the reason I have no real sponsors. It's the reason I have no real Esports organization is the reason why I'm by myself. It's the reason why I'm just standing on my own name because when I won and I was the most Marketable person that has personality that has you know Intangibles that is good at man. I was everything two years ago and it came out that I was racist And I said a bunch of n-words and everything no matter what the context is and this is people Because you guys know me and a lot of you guys knew me before this At some point the context for the rest of the world the context doesn't matter You know it does for you guys because you know me And it does for Eagles Nation because obviously I'm assuming you guys told me his was much worse And it matters because you know the situations But for me, obviously the 500 people that knew me through twitch and man, obviously they knew who I was So they they oh, no he can't but out of 500 people that knew who I was What percentage is that compared to the people that actually saw what I said? You really got to think about that, you know And really context didn't matter for me because it's pretty much just about the words that you said And and the way people attack me and people still attack me today Not knowing who I was not knowing where my heart is not knowing anything about me Nothing about me the way people continue to attack me to like I said to this day Is was devastating on my entire man career is devastating on my whole life is devastating on Every accomplishment I ever had in man because some people that's all they care about Now Eagles Nation Obviously is a child And I don't know when he did this racial stuff. I don't know when it happened Never excusable even from the stuff I did was never excusable and one thing you can never tell anybody how to feel about it So someone is offended to the point where If someone's offended to the point where they don't want to deal with Eagles Nation no more They don't want to hear nothing about them. That's fully acceptable. That's fully fine And if someone never wants to talk to me and someone never wants to deal with me Somebody never wants to do any business with me and I'm detrimental to their success I have to accept that as a man for the rest of my life. I cannot tell people how to feel If you're that offended about it, then god bless. I have no problem with that but The one thing about Eagles Nation to me I think he's a little off You know, I feel like he's he's 19. Like I said when he started this he was a chubby little 15 16 year old kid I think he's like super sheltered. I think he grows up in like some rural farm area somewhere I think I think he's like borderline autistic. I'm serious about that and um I think when you see somebody act like this somebody don't pay his bet somebody dole around racial slurs crazy I feel like he has no guidance. He has no role models. He has no adults in his life to tell him how to live That's how I feel about him, you know, and he has nobody To tell him how to act after that situation because once you do sometimes people do shit out of anger Some people do stuff out of you know, just being dumb, you know, that happens and I didn't have anybody to tell me how to act and I know this kid doesn't have anybody to tell me how to act for real I'm saying and and no, I'm serious but honestly my girl work with like autism and stuff and like just because You can be like partially autistic, you know what I mean? Like just a little weird just a little off seriously like social like socially awkward like doesn't know no better Like do you ever see like like life when can't get right? Like he's like they can't get right a man Like he's a little slow You know and to me I feel like so what I get from eagles nation is that he doesn't have A support system around them. He doesn't have the guidance. He doesn't have a role model Honestly, I feel like he doesn't really interact with people in real life If you let me say like You know what I mean? Because these are things that you learn in real life You know early in early in your life. Like you can't say this racial stuff. You can't not pay people These are things honestly chat as much as these are things you learn in like middle school and high school Seriously, like am I am I wrong? Am I right? These are things that you learn early in your life And I feel like these are things he didn't learn So I feel like okay, this guy's made tons of mistakes and I have reached out to him like no dude You have to apologize for all this and my biggest My biggest complaint in all this is is this is what it was This was my biggest complaint was kind of how we all treated this kid In the chat and and pretty much when he was as happy as he could ever be because Obviously all he wanted to do was play man. We all know he's really not that good a man like he's You know, he's never going to like win a belt or nothing like that But he has a lot of fun playing the game and at some point you got to remove I don't know to me. It's like the way y'all were talking to him and the way y'all made us y'all If if I was that person as happy as I could ever be no matter what Then my life if I was that person and I would read that chat I would be depressed as shit that all these people I look up to just completely kill me and just continue to tell me I'm a fucking loser over and over and over and over No matter what I did in my life and I feel like at some point Like I feel like Jacksonville made me think about shit like this like how we treat people Like no matter how you know what I mean, and I don't know if y'all were right I don't know if I'm being like like dr. Filish or like ellen or something But I feel like You know I feel like we can teach him How to become a man because obviously he has nobody in his life that's teaching him how to do the right thing You know, and I feel like if that's just a job for myself that's cool I'll help him as best as I can because he's made some serious mistakes as I have in my life and I feel like the way y'all were talking the way y'all were trolling the shit out of him is just like dude Like do this kid really deserve this like seriously like because I because when I saw y'all talking in the chat When I saw y'all talking in the chat to me So the things y'all said in the chat trolling the kid Was the same shit that people continue to tell me to this day that don't know me from a can of paint And I'll be honest this kid probably called people racist. He probably burned people But I know he didn't call 500 people racist in the words. I know he didn't burn 500 people And I and honestly, I don't know eagles nation from a can of paint and I know nobody in the chat knows eagles nations from a can of paint And this is the same type of shit that people were saying to me And the same type of shit that people say to me that makes me like damn, why do I want to keep doing this? you know, and it's like The burnt like I said the burn is stuff and racist. I think there's two separate things But ultimately, this is what I see this kid is he's He's goofy like he's like I said autistic is the word seriously And like I said like shut down some people he really don't know right from wrong And I feel like the man's shit is like his biggest like thing in his life I don't know it just between Jacksonville and what happened with that crazy the crazy kid in Jacksonville like It made me think about situations like this Like how are we going to treat people even if like they don't deserve to be treated? Obviously what he's did in his life. Maybe he doesn't deserve to be treated the right way But then does that mean we treat him like shit? Does that mean now because of what you did in the past? Do we have to treat you like shit? How should we treat people that we don't like pretty much is how what Jacksonville taught me like How do we go about doing that? You know, do we got it? Obviously if y'all don't want to deal with him He's racist. He did some wild shit when he was 17 So on and so forth if y'all don't want to deal with that's cool and that's acceptable and I understand that 1000 percent But to but does that mean you have to treat him like shit like he's always going to be a loser? That's my question pretty much You know what I mean Like to me it's really it's not a joke like it's not about the jokes And I feel like a lot of the twitch a lot of the twitch chat is a lot about who can say the best joke And I feel like that's what it was when he was playing and stuff and I maybe I don't maybe I don't know Maybe I'm all the way around but it's kind of how I like since Jacksonville. I'm pretty much like, okay This kid is fucking crazy. You know what I mean? He's He's a little loose. He's a little You know, he's he's not there. He's awkward At the word to describe the kid is awkward 1000 percent I chat you would agree with me, right? So he's not all the way there. He made some super mistakes That he should immensely apologize about and I'm not even talking about the burning The racist stuff is completely different from the burner If you're also getting burned by eagles nation at some point you kind of deserve to get burned by eagles nation I mean, I and Joel and you're right. If you say it once you said a million times, you're right And I think every white person I mean we gotta get over that like every white person has had racial moments in their life like And it doesn't mean it's right. It doesn't mean it's acceptable. It doesn't mean And it doesn't mean that's a hateful person, you know, sometimes You have to understand what arguing is about Sometimes when somebody gets you mad, you know, and I don't I guess he said this to Jrk guys just relax big man streamer and whatever back in the down. I don't know where it was. He's the one now God bless him. Good kid But um, ultimately when you get when someone makes you mad or you get an argument A lot of times you just think what can I say fast to make him as mad as possible? You know That's all Yeah, he definitely needs to uh, acknowledge why it's wrong, but honestly Who who maybe I'm just assuming that People in his life. He doesn't have anybody's life to tell him that it's wrong You know, and that's that's something that's important. I feel like that's something important in everybody's life I mean you guys agree with that. It's important to have somebody in your life That will tell you where you're wrong that can guide you and show you right around And like I said, this kid is awkward to the point where it looks like and it feels like he has nobody in his life That tells him what's right or wrong You know what I'm saying and it's like How do we treat that person after that? You know what I mean is does that mean we got to just just troll the shit out of him? Or you know, and if you feel like damn, I don't want to deal with nobody like that That's fine But what type of person are you that now I have to berate this kid Over and over and over because I don't like what he did or he did some racist stuff Now it's my job to berate him and it's my job to call him a fucking loser over and over and over like what Is that is that the the reaction to that is that the proper thing to do to somebody That wants to be in the man community real bad that you know, I don't know. I just feel like it's No, no one gets a pass for anything. I don't get a pass for it I and as much as y'all know me And all y'all in the chat know me all you guys have spent time with me all of y'all spent You know conversations with me everything Now y'all know me and I will never get a pass for that my entire life is never a pass You just have to step up acknowledge and you know Learn from it, you know and and and are we going to be the community that just continues to call him a fucking loser Or one that helps a kid learn from that and become a better person and change his life That's pretty much my my take on the thing. How are we going to we as the man community? How are we going to handle this? Slow awkward kid being a stupid 17 year old kid How are we going to handle that if you're if the move is berate him and bully the shit out of him and clown him and call him a loser all if that's the move That's not my move That will never be my move for anybody. I will clown this shit out of my friends I will clown this shit out of my peers But a kid that just is happy as hell to be making a random man So I mean I that's not somebody I want to clown You know and if you don't want to deal with him And if you don't want to deal him that's perfectly fine You know saying that's perfectly fine. Then just don't deal with it You know, I think like I said, I learned a lot from Jacksonville that how you treat people, man I'm scared of every fucking person in the world and I will tell you that wholeheartedly And nobody should feel that way. But that's kind of how I feel I'm scared of every person and I'm scared of how I treat every person And how how can I treat people to make them affect the rest of their lives pretty much Is how I see my life now really That's all I don't know if he's I just it's not that he's slow. I don't know if he's slow I just he just seemed awkward. That's all chat and y'all could agree with me all the way I listen, I reached out to him and I talked about it and I said, listen, man, you got to take and I told him I would write it for him I would I would really help you met because this shit affected me immensely and I was That's all Yeah Yeah, but Joel, but what you have to realize is that Now Kepp I'm all the way I will never guns will never be a part of my life kid By the way, Joel, but what you gotta understand is that it doesn't matter how you use it And it really doesn't as much because you know who I am and you know the context that I used it and you understand it But for somebody completely disconnected from the situation, it's the same thing So I get treated the way y'all treat him You have to understand Joel that The way y'all treat him is the way the rest of the world that doesn't know me or doesn't know The kind that's the way they treat me. That's the way they treated me for two years You know saying the way y'all you dumb racist by about nobody care like pretty much nobody cares about everything I if I put a tweet out Oh, nobody cares you're racist like I still get that shit to this day And that was the way y'all was treating him in the chat And I know a lot of y'all don't really know that none of y'all know I don't know the kid And if you do god bless and I feel like like I said, this goes down to the line Where you can't really tell anybody how to feel and if you feel A way where I need to you know berate this kid and call him race orders than third And that's the way I mean, that's how you feel But for me, it's like let's take a step back and see how can we really approach this how can we really, you know Use our status as a man community And our status as something that this kid wants to be a part of To kind of change his outlook and teach him right from wrong, you know Because personally I feel like he don't know Not that that's an excuse. It's just a misfortune it for his his upbringing his life all that I just think is unfortunate And obviously it's not none of our responsibility But we could do something to kind of help it. I mean I really I don't know That's all I mean it's opponent. It's not about defending. I don't know why you don't I don't know how y'all get me is defending I feel it's like The word defending there's no defense. I I just feel like The question of the whole subject is how are we going to react now? You know, how are people going to react now after this kid then did this day in the third? How are we going to react? You know, how what can we do to react? And I'm sorry youtube Uh, this is a little deep that this is like personable with me and the twitch community man If you have your own opinions on this you go, please comment below But I am reading the chat if you ever want to check these these podcasts out live their tuesday Around 7 p.m. You hit the notifications on my channel twitch.tv slash dub dub Legend you write about that and I think that's one of the strengths of madness that People are so different, you know, everybody in the man community is different, you know, like But ultimately we all come together because we all love the same thing, man And you're gonna have some people that grew up and You know a tighter household, you know that are more secluded as I think this kid was very secluded You know saying he probably didn't see a black person until he was freaking came down to man tournaments Honestly to me and I feel like it's hard to see how You know hard to get a reaction and understand how the world's going to react to your behavior if you're not around the world If that makes sense I mean, I'm I just don't want you all to I don't want any of you guys confused me with somebody that's justifying any of that That's all I want man. It's I just never wanted by confused what I'm saying. I'm pretty much just saying Uh, how can we treat a person? After that, you know what I mean? Because I know the way I was treated And I know what it feels like and uh So definitely and at some point and mohawk said to someone and somebody you kind of deserve it, you know, you kind of But some of it's just not necessary, you know, because trust me, man I know everything I do that was wrong. I know right from wrong And at the time I didn't even I didn't know right from wrong at the time I had no idea how big the deal was because and jollo, I tell you this is something at the time when it first came out my third was Same thought process you guys had. Oh, everybody know everybody go understand the context. They know me. They follow me on twitch They know me. They could never think I'm racist. That's the first thing I thought I thought it was just a couple little haters in the world. That's the I said I said what? Everybody knows me. I'm dubbed that. Everybody knows me. I was just playing Nobody knows you nobody knows you man. Nobody not a single single person you know I just I'm to me it's pretty much uh How can we you know not because to me it was tough for me When I when I accomplished something great in my life and honestly for him making this little tournament run It's probably equivalent to me winning a tournament or something like that Like this is the most attention he's ever gotten from mad, you know what I mean? He feels like from playing all man for this many years Being that far in that tournament having that many people in his tour in the stream is pretty much the biggest thing he's done right And to have all them people just berating you Probably I mean it probably got him feeling like feeling like shit honestly And uh, I just want to say how what is the best way to handle this situation? And honestly, I feel like y'all that's really offended really I think the best thing I don't know like it goes to the thing. I don't you can't tell people how to feel But I think just ignoring the kid and not paying him no attention You know because I really just I really just Yeah, people will uh people will definitely um The one thing about people and it's not the man can be just people in general They will Always try to bring you down man And you guys will realize this the the more success you have in your life The more people will try to bring you down and it's that bring you down type of mentality that I hate And I think it happens in everything, you know It's kind of almost it kind of almost ties into the the gaming powerhouse trying to bring down kiv Trying to bring down the competitive gaming community, you know, because the competitive game like less You know, and I always think people have that attitude Well, yo, I'm not going to acknowledge that because the youtube will not see that comment But anyway, no, I feel like I feel like the more you're doing life the more people will try to bring you down And I feel like as a man community I don't think we need to be the people that needs to always bring somebody down Because I think we can be better than that. I know I can be better than that And that's what happened. That's exactly what happened to me And uh, you everybody has something they can bring like when when anybody wins a belt There's something you can bring them down. I like that everybody has a weakness everybody has, you know, a flaw That somebody can bring you down. Obviously the racism is pretty much as at the biggest flaw you can have as a human being right now Especially in this time of day is it's pretty much the biggest flaw. So and I don't know Yeah, I mean that that's all I mean, I just I hope you guys one understand that I'm not justifying anything I just feel like the way we could we could treat the kid a little bit better Ultimately the kid has to apologize and be Accountable for everything that he's done Now I fully I fully will tell you this The burning welching thing is completely to me. That's that's y'all fault a little bit Chat agree with me or don't disagree me. Half of that is y'all fault for betting with the kid You know what I mean? I I see it like Like this like I feel like this with the cat with with the chat is like I see the chat 100 people say he owe me money Listen, if if he owe 100 people money 96 of them, that's y'all fault. That's how I feel about it But as far as the racist thing is completely different So that's why I kind of want to separate those two issues Because I do feel like if he was just a burner like ish But he wouldn't be getting killed the same way You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know. I just I'm just Jacksonville made me really conscious Consciousness of how I treat people And especially, you know How I treat people in this man community how I treat people online as well because I am afraid of every person walking this earth, you know, and I want to And the way I saw the chat just trolling the hell out of this kid when he was as happy as possible I To me it just struck in there because I hate people that just try to bring somebody down when they happy You know Regardless of how shit even if the kid and I don't think anybody under 20 years old or something can really be labeled a shitty person Even if you did bad stuff for you then and obviously he did pretty much some of the horrible and some been Been as horrible as possible at some point. I don't I really just wasn't happy with the way our community kind of just Was just trolling the hell out of them and stuff that that's the one thing that I just didn't like it You know, that's all Because a lot of it to me was pretty much it just felt like how people talk to me. That's all But anyway, I see y'all the chat on jokes now. So I thought Ultimately, like I said, I just wanted you guys to make sure I know I'm not justifying anything the kid did I just want us all to be conscious about how we treat people from here on out In the man community because I mean like I said after Jacksonville I am afraid of every person and I'm afraid of all my actions I take towards every person and how they affect the rest of their life and and I hate The mentality that people have the human nature is to bring somebody down when they're up when they're high on their pedestal You know, it's just crabs in a barrel mentality That's pretty much what a lot of people have and I don't want the man community to have that I want better for the madden community and as a leader of the man community I will do my part. I have reached out to the kid I fully expect he will have an apology He will be accountable for these actions and I will do my part To hope to try to guide children because that's what you guys are most of you guys are children or kids or young adults And to learn what right and wrong is, you know And what you can do in social settings and what you can't do in social settings and and how to act You know, even if I change even if I change this kid's life just a tad little bit and get them in the right direction Just, you know, five degrees in the right direction That'll be better than nothing man It'll be better than killing them in the chat and I feel like we can do better as a man community But also if you feel like If you feel like man, I don't want nothing to do with the kid. He's racist. W stupid I mean, I agree with that whole heartedly too, man Do your part Man, you don't have to pay the kid any attention here on out, man And that's very respectable and once again, I'm not justifying anything the kid did is completely wrong And it should be fully accountable by him That's all I'm saying, man But anyway, this was needed podcast episode 19. We did this for 19 weeks chat This is 19. So 52 divided by 19. I don't know the answer But it's feeling like we're almost more than a quarter of a year done with podcast, man This has been I've been really been accepting the uh All the support I've gotten from this podcast man has been a lot of work I also gotta thank nerf street for giving me this venue my man griff and dray in the back to always do the Little they hit the little buttons and turn the switches and everything they do all the fancy stuff They do all these graphics make it look real nice. So I definitely gotta thank those man next week will be 20 Next week will be episode 20. You might do something big for episode 20 I don't know what else we're going to talk about But if you're in the youtube section, man, please hit the like button comment on then comment on eagles nation what you think about the situation Ultimately, like I said, I just want to be conscious of how we treat people in this community as a whole That's all man. We are not crabs in a barrel. We are better than that. We want to see everybody succeed Ultimately, that's the measure of man. How happy can it be for somebody else's success, man? That's the measure of your confidence It's the measure of your self worth man when you can be happy for somebody else Not that I want y'all to be happy for the kid But I just want y'all to be conscious of how y'all treating other people in your lives I'm sorry to act like dr. Phil, but this topic really uh This topic really spoke home for me because of my My past and because of jacksonville two different things that happened to me that I see immensely in this situation So that's why I wanted to talk about man. So if you have any comments, please leave them in the comment section I thank you guys chat man. I love you guys, man without your support We would have no podcast But we do have a podcast today and this was episode 19 episode 20 is next week So I appreciate you guys coming through and kicking in with me