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Okay We are honored to have Audrey Kong as our first keynote speaker and before the talk Please answer The slido page to post the question you would like to ask Audrey or you can vote for the posted question You are also interested in and Audrey will pick some of them to give her opinion on it and Then let me first really introduce our speaker Audrey tongue is Taiwan's digital minister in charge of social innovation Audrey is known for revitalizing the computer languages Pearl and hot scale as well as building the online spreadsheet system either kill and Collaboration with then briefly in the public sector Audrey serve Taiwan National Development Council Councils open data community and the 12 year basic education curriculum committee and the later countries first Making project in the private sector Audrey worked as the consultant with a poll on computational linguistics with Oscar University Praise on crowd Lexiography and with social tasks on social interaction design in the social sector Audrey actively contributes to G0B which stands for golf zero and this is a Vibrant community focusing on creating tools for the Seabox Society with the code to forth the government Today, Audrey will give a top title digital social innovation Let's welcome Audrey and hope you enjoy her talk Hello everyone, I'm really happy to be here virtually To share with you some thoughts around digital social innovation now social innovation or Everyone's business with everyone's help Enable Taiwan to counter the pandemic with no lockdowns and also counter the info that make with no takedowns and this Partnership as Anita have said with the people not working for the people Has always been my portfolio for the past five years as the digital minister So today I would not elaborate too much on the specific cases But rather share a general philosophy when we think about AI and shared reality For example how to analyze it through a lens of social innovation to enable Everyone concerned to participate in the rulemaking in the governance Now the first part is a collective or connective intelligence When we look at how Taiwan successfully prevented the pandemic The idea of a digital public infrastructure is key as many people in Taiwan know Taiwan has the most vibrant BBS bulletin board system culture for the past more than 20 years The PTT for example is a place that is kind of a shared reality Tech space of course, but where people can enjoy via a pseudonym Real conversations on real public issues that has a real impact It is not run by a for-profit company for Advertisement or shareholders rather it is part of a Taiwan academic network and squarely in the social sector And that is how for example when a young doctor from Wuhan Dr. Lee Wenlao Posted there were seven science cases in the Huanan seafood markets Only on PTT did it result in a pro-social conversation and triaging That resulted in us having health inspections for all five passengers coming in from Wuhan on the very next day The first day of 2020 Also as important is the bridge to Enable people who are not having you know access to BBS systems their terminals Maybe they're very young. Maybe they're very senior people But they nevertheless need to be included as part of social innovation So in Taiwan we provide all sort of different bridges for example anyone can call this toll-free number 1922 and Be listened to by someone with a lot of empathy could be from our call center or from our charity groups and so on The bridge them into the shared reality of our counter-pandemic effort And so through a decidedly assistive way not even the most minor voice are ignored in social innovation For example last April when a young boy called saying you're rationing out masks, which is great But all I thought was pink ones, which is not great. Well, my boy in my class have navy blue mask I don't want to wear pink to school and the very next day on the press conference Everybody wore pink and so that's agenda setting power So that the boy became the most hip-boy in the class for Minister Chen said pink panther was his childhood hero now perhaps closer to the IEEE agenda is the idea of data collaboratives or what the European Union are calling Data altruism organizations now data collaboratives depends on people voluntarily Remixing data in a way that conforms to the social norm So in Taiwan again to enable a shared reality where people queuing in line last February Can receive the latest update on the inventory on each pharmacy more than 100 different tools of augmented Reality of chatbots of a overlay interactive map And so on to make sure that people navigate to the place that they don't have to queue in vain We're co-created by this again a distributed ledger like Infrastructure of our national health insurance every 30 seconds The inventory is updated and people even very senior people through the help of voice assistant and chatbots can navigate To the place that have the most available again This is not created by our government, but rather a social innovation by the civic technologists and Also our contact tracing method SMS based Contact tracing doesn't need any app rather just point your phone Camera and it's in the SMS to 192 to and just two seconds It finish a check-in again It is not created by the government but by the people who are closest to the pain by the venue owners Who wants something that can actually reduce their Liability while shortening the contact tracing from 24 hours to less than 24 minutes But even more important is the fun part where people can not just Remix the essential communication materials when it comes to pennequin prevention But also pretty much all the other materials that including the digital models This is our presidential office as well as the head cultural heritage sites The photos of mind and national dictionaries to enable Automatic translation in more than 20 national languages in sherry alty and so on all these are the digital public Infrastructures that we invest to enable the kind of co-creation Where people can set agenda through social innovation? So when we think about AI in the Taiwanese cabinet, we think of assistive intelligence not Authoritarian intelligence the difference is that assistive intelligence Empowers people to people connections whereas authoritarian intelligence maybe Replace people to people connections with people to machine connections and concentrate the power to a few data controllers So this is a classic sample of AI working to further democracy is an AI system called Polis It enabled a shared reality layer where people can see their friends and families and their avatars How they interact in a policy space this particular picture was from 2015 when uber X just entered Taiwan now all the friends and families of my feel very differently about the same fact so maybe they feel anxious because it's The gig economy doesn't protect the drivers or they feel happy because they think search pricing and other Innovations brought by uber will result in more effective Right sharing experiences and so on but there's no right or wrong about feelings and one of the core promise of shared Reality is that it will enable shared feelings that is to say empathy and we need to apply Social interaction design so that the ideas that resonate with one another's feelings get to the people But the ideas that to polarize and get people more divisive to each other well do not So this is a concrete map The idea is that people will feel similarly are grouped in clusters came in clustering Whereas the most divisive policy options are conceptualized as the dimensional reduction the principal component analysis along the X and Y axis and The result is that for example I'm here in the middle and if you feel as I do that passenger liability insurance was important You click agree and you move toward me But if you disagree you move farther away from me, but there's no reply button So no room for trolls to grill and even if 2000 people voting exactly the same adding an extra zero to group D For example, it doesn't actually change the shape for the ship measures Plurality not headcounts So after three weeks of consultation through this AI based shared reality We always end up with this picture which may be the take away picture from this particular slide People agree to disagree on a few ideological sentiments such as sharing economy versus platform economy versus geek economy however When we talk about insurance not undercutting existing meters and so on the Internets the share reality provides a safe space for people to collaborate To find more nuanced collected resonance its feelings Where people actually mostly agree on with most of each other most of the time it become a friendly competition To state the policy options that resonate with a maximum amount of people like not undercutting existing taxi meters enabling local taxis Belonging to the local churches and temples to set their own terms and things like that and all this were visualized and simulated in this AI assisted Shared reality, but it's of course entirely free software and open data and offer Independent analysis So by the end of the three weeks all the stakeholders come to the same table and we co-created the regulation of multi-purpose Taxi driving which are actually the Uber is a legal taxi fleet in Taiwan and the local fleets are similarly empowered So I believe democracy Without such digital AI assistive technologies does not scale deeply, but Technologies without democratic dark governance. Well, it doesn't last the legitimacy will suffer So the digital and the democratic part need to work with actively waste one another in order to deliver the measure of progress in a crowdsourcing way now I'm now going to answer the democratically voted Questions, but I will just leave you with my job description when I become digital minister in 2016 they asked me in the cabinet office. They asked me, okay, we've never had a digital minister So what would you do? I'm like my work is just 17 17 of the global growths effective partnership through 17 18 reliable data for 17 6 open innovation in the cabinet office people were like and minister I don't think people memorize all 169 sustainable goal targets They have to talk in plain language, which is why I translate that into poetry really a prayer And I'll just read my job description because it's rather short it goes like this When we see the Internet of things, let's make it an internet of a beings When we see virtual reality, let's make it a shared reality When we see machine learning, let's make it collaborative learning when we see user experience Let's make it about human experience and whenever we hear that a singularity is near Well, it's always remember the plurality Yeah Okay, so that's in response to Anita's ask that I share some slides before entering Slido and now Let's drive the Slido conversation and if you are on Google meet Please also feel free to raise your hands or unmute yourself So we can also have a higher bandwidth voice conversation if that's preferable to you All right So if nobody raised their hands for the next half an hour, we will be Slido driven then Six people would like to know what is your imagination of so-called metaverse Well, I've also read snow crash way back. So something like snow crash But as I mentioned in my job description, whenever we see virtual reality My goal is always to make it a shared reality and to me one key part of the shared reality Is the freedom to innovate and it's one of the oldest Internet principle end-to-end innovation as long as someone wants to innovate on the physics acoustics avatar interaction pattern in their shared reality Nobody else other than the people who want to join the same shared reality should have the right to veto this particular improvement Now, of course, we're now seeing that the data are being aggregated a lot by a few data controllers One of which recently popularized the metaverse term again and rebranded themself But I believe that the key to innovation rests in the open-source Explorations where people can innovate at their own terms because otherwise it's not really a shared reality It's like a shared singularity maybe where the rules of the space are controlled by a few and I'm really happy that ever since I become the digital minister the research community and also some Ventures like high fidelity for example, which is free software That I used in my early virtual reality turn share reality Experimentations for example, I once had a deliberative conversation with some students a few middle schoolers and also one primary school students and in high fidelity We change the acoustic model so that we can sound closer to one another and I changed my avatar To be at a height of them. So they don't have to literally look up to me There's was another experimentation I think driven by some art schools including one in gaussian Where I asked the senior people to be in the shared reality But we share the kind of down their memory lane using avatar reconstruction models They wear their younger selves as their avatar, but it's not just for them selves But rather we visit their memory lane joining them in their era and then relift whatever important events was happening to them and later on this technologies and experience were repurposed to for example to make sure that a younger generation of taiwan people Still have a sense of shared history when it comes to the human rights situations during our martial law era And things like that. And again, this is shared reality based on the terms of people who are closest To the empathy to the suffering it may be but also to the important story toad So I think the freedom to innovate is a key part in the shared reality And that is how we make sure that the metaverse can continue to be a plurivus or a multiverse Instead of just one like unit verse so Four people would like to know What do you think is the biggest AR VR challenge that researchers should serve So that it can make an impact on social innovation. This is an excellent question I believe that the shared reality to enable the contributors the lay persons To take a active part to shape the reality And make a lasting impact. That is the most important challenge in taiwan in basic education Not only do we prefer open source and open hardware like Arduino raspberry pi and so on or scratch But also we stress the idea of competence not literacy in our education That is to say we want the students even as young as primary school to make a impact to their community And the entire society as they learn for example One key way we teach data stewardship data bias and so on is through the air box Which each primary school have at least one The air boxes measure the air quality such as pm 2.5 Contributes of course to environmental and climate science, but most crucially the students operates the air box So their community their neighbors even their family To make a decision on whether to go outdoors for jogging and so on literally draws From the data contributions they make to the data collaborative the distributed ledger of the air box network or loss now The concepts that were previously difficult to teach such as data bias data quality and so on Suddenly become very intuitive to learn because the student have something concrete that they want to make a Measurable impact to their community and as they get older maybe by middle school In our media competence class not literacy literacy again is when you consume radio or television programs, but Competence is when you reprogram right those programs by middle school for example They would participate in a shared reality would say the presidential debate That's January when the three presidential candidates were having the interactive forum and debate There's a toolkit for the middle schoolers to not just type the transcript But also correlate that with the facts so that they fact check the three presidential candidates in real time and then the leading networks public tv and so on display the fact checking results in real time as The three presidential candidates are having a conversation again The young students are immersed in newsroom in journalism basically and they became immune to the rhetorics of conspiracy theories and so on because they've literally taken all the sides So something like that Which has a real-time impact our democratic process or air box On the real time of the climate change and so on I believe is the frontier that the researchers can then put the crux of innovation to the individual Children's in the middle and high schools much as how many people are now remixing each other's Minecraft models and worlds and so on and I believe that will make a real impact on social innovation for the young people Our digital natives and they have much more creativity Only if they know that the creativity can result in measurable real-time social impact So a enabling toolkit that's fast fair, but most importantly fun is the most important Three people would like to know with the advancement of vr and 5g Is it possible to live in the virtual world via an avatar? And if yes, is there something we want for humankind? Well in taiwan because we've never had a lockdown the freedom of movement is always guaranteed Even for the past couple years, but I always Think that people choose to have a hybrid avatar not because they must but because it's good to have Uh, for example getter town is very popular in taiwan for the past couple years It's of course not exactly virtual reality But it is a shared reality obit to dimensional and people do collaborate a lot via avatars And even for people who participate On the same physical events like the presidential hackathon Our workshops in the taiwan international convention center Well, all the teams the top 20 teams all joined in the same venue But actually we prefer the gather town experience So each of us brought our own laptops and brought our own avatars because previously It's difficult for us to connect across time zones to bring in expertise and so on But if each and every one of the hybrid format hackathon Can actually call a virtual room and bring people outside of the same convention center into a kind of connective space Then the connected intelligence Actually creates a much better Experience of sharing the same reality together as compared to previous workshops Where because of the physical restrictions and acoustics of the convention center Most people just talk in fixed time windows with their coaches and the judges And there's very few cross Team conversation because it's quite difficult actually to just put on your earphone and get into it ad hoc shared reality So I believe a a shared reality overlay Is what we want for humankind it not only empower people who are not in the same time zone But also it enable people who are literally in the same space to associate much more freely And the facility tatas who previously are limited by You know the design of the physical space can now through things like slido Collect much more real-time feedback higher bidirectional bandwidth So I believe in this kind of very easy to use Shared reality overlays not necessarily full immersive VR full immersive VR is great when you want to bring your entire creative experience in a way that feels the ongoing immersive environment of say a mountaintop A actual surfing or diving area or things like that Which of course is needed if we want to make location specific conversations But for people who are already in that vicinity Some sort of easy to use overlays like slider or a gather town Compliments their local knowledge instead of taking away their local knowledge. So I believe it's all about Adapting our technologies to where people are instead of asking people to adapt themselves to where the technologies are I hope that answers this question So three people would like to know do you think it is necessary to make laws to avoid abuse of deep fake technology Well, I believe that just like photoshop technologies Really this technology is already open source Meaning that the same technology can also be used quite constructively for example in low bandwidth situations to reconstruct our acoustic And our facial models so that people who are suffering from less than stellar 5g or fiber optic connections can also participate fully In the share reality Virtual gatherings such as this one and that requires something like deep fake, right? It's me deep faking my own model basically If for the benefit of the lower bandwidth places, but it's exactly the same technology The acoustic model will allow a few milliseconds Dropping of internet packets to be filled as seamless to automatically complete What I would say during this short break again, that is the same technology that enables synthetic voice and acoustic models So I believe there are pro-social uses of such technologies and to avoid abuse Requires not banning the use of such technologies, but learning about its adversarial effects One example I often use is the technology of fire Fire of course has burned down entire cities But the way that we make sure that people the society works with fire is of course having fireproof architectures Having this kind of third-party vetted construction materials that are fireproof But also equally important is that even for kindergarten level very young people We teach them to use a fire through cooking classes And certainly they're not asked to memorize the chemical formulas of reaction And things like that, but they just cook But with careful supervision By adults and so that they learn how to use fire responsibly And a society where each and every one of us are comfortable with cooking Is much more preferable than a society where the use of fire is restricted to only a few Because then fire fighting become a arcane art That's only understood by the elites and a norm what's normal For the use of fire in the society would be impossible to get Right, so I believe again about open source What's equivalent to gimp right to photoshop The free software alternatives of image processing and sound processing They need to be taught on the very early age and the ethics around its use must also be shown So much so that people can then work on the norms around the veracity of the sources And also around how to essentially make witnesses Or notarization services so that we can trust The digital signature infrastructure instead of just assuming that all video are equally real and so on But without people having applied their local edge controlled models Through educational means well such norms would not be easy to form and then of course laws Will be caught in order, but any top down Imposed restrictions would then further make something seems cool For the young people for the teenagers and so on because One of the most reliable way to get something done is to tell the kids not to do it And so I I far believe more like how we teach ethical hacking the white hat hacking cyber security And so on from a very tender age and also for use we need also to teach the technology of synthetic Video and voice from a very early age in a way that is responsible So three people would like to know will the development of VR change the way we communicate in the future for short I believe even a short exposure to Where we are a sense of co-presence of shared reality Can change the nature of conversation to a much more pro-social one Which is why I prefer for example the together mode right in in skype and in microsoft teams Where people can be seen as just looking at themselves in a mirror rather than each of us trapped in 16 by 9 Small squares and that's to me shared reality innovation even though it doesn't require Strictly speaking virtual reality headsets And also when I have conversations about local development and so on Sometimes we put on virtual reality headsets That brings us to the level of international space station And then gradually zooming down to the locality where we want to co-create Again, this gives what we call a overview effect where people feel that the earth is a connected whole And actually there's psychological study that said if you begin with such a bird's eye view or an international space station Eyes view actually we become much more pro-social We want to think then about the legacy we want to leave for the future generations Instead of being trapped in the next quarter or the current generation So I believe VR has profound effects on showing the holistic interconnectedness of our situated conversations So even just as immersive and inspirational use I believe it's already changing the way that we communicate when it comes to public policymaking And shared reality and of course As more virtual reality enters our daily life We will be able to bring more and more of not just my Office to your office because of the fiber optic and the current deployment 5g is still quite restricted To the population census and a place that have good equipments But as 5g deploys to more rural areas and indigenous nations and offshore islands And also, you know lower us orbit and also pre 6g technologies brings to the outdoors I believe we will be able to incorporate even more local wisdom in our conversation by essentially Living in the shoes of people closest to the pain Three people would like to know what is the main difference between the present world And what you expected 10 years ago excellent question So 10 years ago, I believe people were afraid that democracy is going on a backslide The open government partnership was formed exactly 10 years ago because of this fear that authoritarianism may be on the rise And indeed as recent as 5 years ago in 2016 17 It was quite popular right to say democracy leads to populism. It leads to divisiveness polarized station and so on and It's just like the the anti social corner of social media became the only association when we say the word social media People forgot that the rough consensus and running code The tenet of the internet governance actually was its original pro-social social media So my imagination as evidence in my job description is that we can bring back Some of the earlier internet governance culture and at least in taiwan it is now quite successful People think of social media not as a way to trap ourselves in isolated soloist realities But rather as a way to reach more people and people learn that when we are having a democratic conversation It's the spaces like polis or ptt or the join platform Which join platform is our national petition platform more than one quarter of petitions were from people less than 18 years old And it has more than 30 million visits In the country of just 23 million. So it's quite some numbers And it has resulted in decisive policy changes through more than 100 collaborative meetings So people learned that there are pro-social social media and while taiwan these people still enjoy Facebook for i don't know sharing cute cat photos and so on on the entertainment District in the digital realm nobody think that we should hold our town halls our presidential debates or The referendum conversations and things like that in a binding way strictly on the digital equivalent of the entertainment sector that would be like hosting our town hall and Campus conversations in a nightclub where the smoke fills the room You have to shout to get heard a lot of intoxicating drinks private bouncers And so on and don't get me wrong. There is a place for the entertainment sector In the city. It's just not the role of the town hall of the democratic place So a redoubling down on the digital social infrastructure And using such infrastructure as the digital democracy's ground instead of yielding the ground To the entertainment sector. I believe that is the main insight that we have brought to the taiwanese digital democracy for the past 10 years So so far i'm cautiously optimistic that other democracies will also see the light and also invest in such digital democratic infrastructures Two people would like to know what this ai mean to me ai as i mentioned means assistive intelligence And assistive technology universal design, of course, is a well understood principle For example, this eyeglass is a piece of assistive technology without which I wouldn't see very well, right But the eyeglass is aligned to my values of wanting to see you better But alignment is complete meaning that I don't see a pop-up advertisement for 20 seconds before I can close it In my eyeglass that would not be aligned to my interests Also is accountable meaning that if it breaks I can repair myself Watching some videos But also I can also bring it to the repair person down the street who can also repair it And we don't have to pay millions of dollars of a exclusive end user license agreement in order to fix the eyeglass So using the eyeglass as a metaphor, but really it's not really a metaphor It's actually an assistive technology Assistive intelligence to me need to adhere to the accountability and alignment principles in order to empower people In the actual place where they will actually augment and remix the appropriate technology If we take options away from them, then that's not assistive. That would be authoritarian So for example in my initial slides, I demoed the sms based QR code scanning And it's invented by people in the civic sector So it's not a top-down government mandate if you don't want to use a smartphone And you travel alone. So nobody scans it for you. Well, you can also manually text the 15 digits to 192 to via sms That's equally good. So in taiwan, there's at least 20 of people who would never download an extra app Or use their smartphone to you as a QR code scanner except to add friends on the line chat application so that the line chat application also changed their QR code scanner to Proceed as a sms contact trace. But even if you don't own even a feature phone to send a sms You can also use pen and paper and it's equally good We've never said hey, we're here to replace pen and paper which will be authoritarian And so there's also local social innovations like a stamp With refillable ink automatic refillable ink So the elderly people who may not be that comfortable Using their phone can just stamp their way into public venues. And again, that's social innovation And it's perhaps even quicker than scanning a QR code So the idea of assistive technology is that it's incremental as gradual It's voluntary and it's also open to innovations on the field And when that is the case then then I can call it Assistive intelligence rather than artificial or authoritarian intelligence Three people would like to know how can we utilize AI to encourage discussions about policies among people And more importantly, how can we let the government consider those discussions? In my opinion designs such as presidential hackathon where the president gives The trophy to five teams each year who are the winning teams that are voted in By the quadratic voting as part of the joint platforms feature, we allocate new Points of voting 99 points to each voter. So it's part of our democratic process Now the quadratic voting which has this roots from the aetherium community Basically said that with 99 points You can't actually allocate all of it to any of the 200 or so projects If you want to vote a project one vote that costs one point two vote four points Three point votes nine points in total for 16 quadratic So with 99 points, uh, all we can do is to vote nine votes to one of the particular Projects it has 81 points Spends so you have 18 left So everyone will then look at some other project Which may or may not have some synergies with the first one and vote up to four votes Which is 16 so still two left and then people look at two other projects because nobody wants to squander their votes The idea is that the marginal return is the same as the marginal cost So that the voting and additional democratic process does not result in half or more of people Feel they have lost when we announce the top teams rather part of the top 20 Is almost always one or two of their voted seven or eight Synergy inducing teams made it to the top 20 And then the teams that didn't make the cut because we can't analyze the quadratic voting They are then repurposed to join the teams that according to the quadratic voting have the highest synergy with them So in the end everybody wins So the point here is that the mechanism design a reverse Game theory need to be upfront But the way that the presidential office agreed to hold ourself to account to give the five championship teams A trophy on the shape of the Taiwan island and a micro projector underneath when you project It projects The president handing you the trophy so it's very main time describe itself Is a presidential promise that for the next fiscal year This top five teams will actually become country-wide national policy So it is a virtual cycle as more presidential executive power Is delegated to this new democratic process. It gives people more incentive to work across sectors to join such data collaboratives But as more people join such data collaboratives, it leads to more legitimacy on each vote So most importantly, we must portray assistive intelligence systems decision-making systems as never replacing uh individual human beings like public servants or the president or the Legislators, but as a way for them to connect to other people better We need to think beyond the original Turing test the imitation game, right asking a ai to imitate a minister or a President and so on and replace them wholesale Well, we need to move beyond that particular conceptualization of ai but rather focus on The collective and connective intelligence like slido actually It lets me allocate more time on the things that people consider as more important and slightly less time On the questions that are well only voted by one or two people So three people would like to know how can we solve current polarization on social media or build pro-social spaces Uh on slido, it's important that we can only out vote not down vote But also it's anonymous no reply button no room to troll So it's obviously impossible to to troll and polarize on slido And the same goes for the join platform for the polis platform and so on they are designed with Deliberative facilitation in mind in a pro-social way. So open space technology, non-violent communication dynamic Facilitation and so on these are the analog world pro-social processes that we then just redesign our digital spaces Based on the same principles of informed deliberation And then those spaces even with the exact same constituents will not lead to polarization And we have more than five years of evidence uh in taiwan on such designs So um because I said that less than two three votes and I'll just give very quick answers I would not read them aloud then Um addiction, I believe are symptoms. They are not the root causes So if we build pro-social space that enable more higher bandwidths human to human connections Addiction is not a problem But if we build even more isolating spaces so that they get, um, you know, trapping people within their Fiction this world where people are represented by a shallow shell of themselves not allowing Authentic um creativity to happen. Then of course addiction is a real problem. So again, it depends on the pro-social design And I believe assistive intelligence cannot be smarter Does my eyeglass see better than I do? That question doesn't even make sense. So if we enable this thought around assistive intelligence, um, the Ideas such as replacing human whole so just just fades away. And I believe that's where my Research agenda as well as digital democracy is focusing on its intelligence as envisioned as a collective connective Same not as a something packed in an individual brain. And so yes, I for one welcome our assistive intelligence Um assistance because just like fighting or eyeglasses or fire and things like that Well, it did take over the world but it didn't replace a single human being And so yes, I believe as we each get more and more bandwidth toward each other We can empathize with one another more and we may not be able to make such hard distinctions Between so-called reality and so-called virtual But the humanity the people to people connection These are the terms that we need to not only preserve but also to amplify when we consider the metaverse a plurality and finally, uh, yes, I've read the sword art online But whether to realize it exactly as imagined in the Fiction or make your own fan fiction and make it even better that depends on how co-creative The materials are and let's maximize co-creation and empower the next generation together. Thank you Okay, and since all already have another Dance at four o'clock. So we don't have much time If you still have some question, maybe we can take the last question if you know Then I think if the end of this keynote session Audrey just gave a lot of his her opinion From several different perspectives and it's a very inspiring talk Any question? Okay, I see Well, if not, uh, yeah, I would like to thank you for the excellent questions Really in such a short time such a short notice. We've really explored a lot about assistive intelligence and shared realities so To we meet uh in shared reality or in face-to-face live long and prosper everyone by for now Thank you, Audrey Let's thank all Audrey again for the great talk And later we have another keynote session given by professor mark leo And uh, you need to move to another meeting room. Okay Thank you