 Ready, let's go. Like I said earlier, man, man, here's the time we come on. You hear, man. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. Yeah, we gonna talk, we gonna have fun. We be on five, we be live, live. It's a unique hustle, big shit. Big shit, big shit. It's a unique hustle, big shit. You like that? That's all I like that. You sure? She killed that. She killed that. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle, big shit, boy. And no money, Mosul, by the way. We pray content every down day. Say, man, we got a special guest today, man. This guy right here, man. I'm gonna be honest with you. You know the asshole in gold, man. A-I-N-G, man. Fang game. This guy sent this guy my way, man. And I've been loving it ever since, man. Shout out to that asshole for that, man. You know what I'm saying? My boy Mad Max is in the building. What's going on? You know, I got this thing I do, man. It's all about the producers. You know what I mean? I don't know if y'all remember. Y'all see it because I'm old. It was a movie. It was like... I think it was Drumline. When they say it's all about them two, it was, man. Yeah, yeah. That was my movie, though. I was in love with that movie, man. He was tearing that snare drum up, man. I wanted me in the band after that show. For real, man? I was conflicted. I was conflicted. I played football because I was on the football team. I was like, dang, man. It motivated me. That's why we have them drum, man. He wasn't playing, man. It seemed like they were going to get a little physical, a little fighting going on with it. But that's the way to sound like the music. Is that how... So, y'all, let's check it. Let's get into it. I want to go back. Where you from, first of all? You from Dallas? I'm from Dallas. What part? I was born at Baylor Hospital. Oh, so you from right there? Right there, from Dallas. No, no, Duncanville area. And then I ended up moving to Atlanta a little bit later after that. Okay, and so you basically... When you first got into the music, let's move on up a little bit. What made you get into sound, beats, and all that? How old was you first? How old was I? I'm making beats. Bro, I was probably 21, 22. It was a late start for me. But I had always been into the music, though. Like, I grew up taking drum lessons, grew up playing the piano and the choir. You know what I'm saying? That typical stuff. That's crazy you say that because everybody that did that start out, they always said they'd been the choir stuff first. Like, that's how they learned. I mean, I don't know. I feel like there's a lot of resources in that you know what I'm saying, area. I wasn't a choir, but I ain't seen like that, though. I mean, I ain't seen like that either. When I was in the back, I was, you know, I got caught sleeping a couple of times. You know, I was young, young. Yeah, but now I was definitely a good experience because we traveled around a lot and we won some competitions as choirs. You know what I'm saying? I definitely got interested in the music and the individual aspects of music through the church because I saw the drum player right there in front of me. I saw the organist. I saw the keyboardist. You know what I'm saying? So I was that's what made me take drum lessons. Wow. That's the only thing they even want to go to church. What? What about Jesus? Man, listen. You can get G here by going to church and you know that. You know that. So you don't want me to go to church. I'm trying to do this. Let me get touched by the music. God put me in church and get touched by the music. You know, the thing I can say, man is it takes a special kind of guy to be able to, you know, I'm learning the music thing as I go. You know, I called you the other day asking you about pointers, man just trying to understand how it really works, what it entails, what the structure is, why they doing it like that? Why say that? You know, I'm that guy. You know, I like logic. You know what I mean? So what was the first beat that you made, man? Like... First beat I made. I can't even take you back to the first beat. I can take you back to when you first started making beats. I know one of the reasons why I started making beats was because I felt like one of the artists I deal with, even up until this point today, I felt like he had something, but I felt like his music wasn't always the best. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean I had always come up around music. I was like I can do that. I just got to learn the software. I got to learn the program. I got to figure out how to get what's in my head out. You know what I mean? So it was really pretty much tandem me and him, like me throwing him beats, making sure they were rapable. They weren't too much going on in them. You know what I'm saying? I'll take his input. And so he kind of became my guinea pig. Like, I would come up with concepts and be like, I bet you can't. You know what I'm saying? Rap. This kind of concept right here. You know what I'm saying? I'll send it to him. He'll send it back the next day, but I'll start playing with me. You know what I mean? One of the first beats I made, it was it was completely different than what I do today. Sometimes I ask myself, what was I thinking when I made beats back then? Because back then it was, I don't know it was more of like a drakey feel. Like it was smooth. It was it was, you know, and I had a lot of live instrumentation in it. I feel like that came from the church. You know, so I gave him a concept and he came back and murdered it and I loved how it sounded. So I was like, man, I can keep doing this forever. Yeah. It's nothing like painting a picture and people enjoying it. Wow. You know, the thing I say, when I heard your beat, when you sent me over that beat the first time, you didn't send one. You sent over a whole selection. Like, check it out, nigga. See what you can do with it on one of these and let me know what you think. And I loved all of them actually, but it was like for certain things, you know, it was like, okay, this here is for this, but that thing, man, when I picked those two because I picked both of them, I picked but I could only sing for one. You did good. Them two that I liked. Them two I had in my head. Really? You said that that night. I mixed them all together. I just, because if it was meant to be, it was going to be. So, you know, and I felt like let me send them a few. You never know what kind of vibe they trying to go for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, the first one I liked the most. Yeah. But the second one, once XO got away, it was a problem, man. She murdered it. So I don't think it'd be the beats no more. I think it'd be the rappers now. No, it'd be the beats. No, no, no, I don't think it's because you could have a good beat, but you put a good rap on it, it's going to sound way better. But if you put a side rap on that beat, it's going to sound trash. You're going to mess it up. I agree with that to an extent because there have been times I didn't like the beat. And then when the artist jumped on it, it was like, damn, that's hard. How did you feel about that beat before XO dropped on? Did you think it would come if you had to think would you think that way? Because you didn't know that. No, no, no, no. I had no idea. I didn't even know that was... When you said another one was being used, I didn't know. Like I said, when I came the last time, that was the first time I heard it in totality. That was the first time. You were like, this girl throws. Yeah, she really turned up on it. So I can definitely say that I enjoy that beat a whole lot better now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because as a producer, that's one of the things you want. You don't want to build up a pile of beats and not have nobody on them. You want to have the pleasure of sitting back being able to listen to the music that you make, fully made, lyrics and all, whether you do it or not. You know what I mean? So I definitely enjoy that. She did it justice. Man, so even A.I. and G, when I hear him do on your beats, he goes hard, man. It's just the way that he different, ain't he? Yeah, he is. You deal with different people, but when he take a beat, you be like, do we come at your way? The first time, so I met A.I.T. Hold at the first digital university. It was over there in Grand Prayer. Well, the new one was in Grand Prayer, but this one was over there in Grand Prayer as well and a much smaller building. And initially I was just going to record them. You know what I'm saying? I really honestly don't even do much recording, but I was going to record them. And I asked man, with beats, I got beats like how we going to do this. He was like, shit, we can cook up from scratch. He liked it. Yeah. So, but he turned out to actually like a beat that I had already had. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So we boom, crank that out. It was hard. That's when I realized this nigga is different. You know what I mean? He's different, but it's different in a cool kind of way. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like he and he's himself to the fullest. Yeah. I respect that about him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He wide open. You know what I'm saying? And look, when he rock with you, he rock with you. All the way. And that's just how I go. Wow. I like that. That's like family for sure. Yeah. He did a dope interview for us too. He told us things and gave us, you know them jewels, man. And when I asked him about it, I'm like man, I got to have a beat, man. I got to have somebody to give me something to wear. You can get on it and me do a dope intro because I love the way that when I sleep and all them songs, I'm like, I got to have me something like that on the intro, you know. And that's what I like about him. And he introduced me to you. So it's a win-win for me. You know what I'm talking about? So what do you do when you process a beat to pick it out? Because we know you rap. To be honest with you. Yeah, give it up. I just sit back and smoke weed. Yeah, I want you to be honest. I sit back and smoke weed. So when I get in the mood I smoke weed and I put on a beat. If the beat don't sound right, I keep going and keep going. I find a beat I don't like. I'm going to stop for that night. Until I find a beat that I actually like, then it's like the beat after I actually sit there and you have to actually keep hearing that beat, keep hearing that beat. If you can make more than one song out of that one beat, that's the beat for you to pick. That's how I look at it. But it's like if you pick a song and you hear a beat and you're like, it's something going to pop in your head and you're going to be like, I don't want that. And then you keep listening to it. What's the craziest thing you had happen with a beat that you gave somebody and it was like, damn. Or it was like good thing or bad thing. Well, give me something. Like where somebody sent it back or used it and told you it wasn't going to use it. That happens. Nah, just recently. Just recently like, I mean, I ain't even going to hold you. You give people that like you to remake beats all the time. I did you like that. And I didn't tell you exactly what I wanted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, and that's fine. You know what I'm saying? I have no problem with that. But at the end of the day, I'm not going to make a beat that sounds like the beat that you won't remake that defeats the purpose. That's right. Right. Me personally, I'm going to try and make sure that your vocals sit in the same pocket. It sits in the right pocket and float a song. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to give it the best groove as I possibly as I possibly can. But I'm not going to sit here and try to remake this man's beat. You know what I mean? So if that's the beat that you want, then go figure out a way to buy that beat. And if you can't buy that beat, then figure out the way to put whatever you wrote to another beat. You know what I'm saying? If it's hard. In the same tempo. You feel me? So I mean, that gets frustrating. So you get a whole bunch of what? Can you take this out? Can you add this? That's when the love of music kind of goes to the wayside. It frustrates you. Like the YouTube thing, I see everybody on there. Do you do that? No. So I mean, because they say you can get the beat for free. But then I heard there's some backdoor information that you don't know if you get that beat. It could be problems. I mean, to be honest with you, I don't really know. I can kind of see it though. Because if it go crazy, you would like, ah, it went crazy. And then you got the producer backdoor while I made that it was on my channel. I don't know. I mean, people use a lot of music like clickbait. You got to read the fine print. So I mean That's crazy. You never really know. So do you have a lot of time people come to you and say we make that YouTube beat that can try to do it like that? Every now and again. Every now and again. Not often. Not often. I try to make enough beats of different kinds to where something's going to resonate with somebody. You know what I'm saying? I try to. So I I don't really get a whole lot of the re-make the beats. I'm happy I don't. He was on here and he was telling me about some kind of beat wars, babe. Beat wars and when they go and do beats and again, I guess to see who do the hottest beat. You ever done that? You heard about it. I heard about it. They invite you over there. You nervous about doing something like that? Nervous? No. You jump on it? Are you scared? I would definitely jump on something like that. That'd be a good experience though for real. But I really haven't to be honest with you. My brother's a big fan of yours. He always say man, man, Max. That's the one boy you get mad Max on that beat. It's going down. I appreciate that. Yeah man, shout out to Steve. Did he say you know what man, Max? Yeah. I think I met him last time. No you didn't. You ain't been here. You gonna know me him. No, he's a secret weapon. He make all this happen. Like he just his energy is so different. That was him on the phone. Call the check on the next show. But yeah man, this beat man this one right here man. Max man, this one man. When I heard that girl eat this one up. Where you get that tag at man? To be honest with you, I got it from like, it's a website called Voice Tag Guys and I knew what I wanted it to say. But I really just didn't want to go through the process of trying to make it and put all of the effects and all of that on there. So I just paid, it was like $25, $30 and I was able to go and pick who I wanted to say it. So it was like a line up like sexy voice, little kid voice man voice, whatever the case may be. So that's the one I showed. Yeah, you told that. Now to be honest with you, it's another piece that goes to that. It's a piece that says you the truth that goes to that. It says man Max, you the truth. Yeah. But I figured I'd cut that off if I could use it. That man Max is hard enough. Whatever, I didn't need all that. No, that man Max solid man. Yeah. So I just left it as it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it man. So these bass lines, how do you describe making like Boss Talk. Yeah, everybody on it. Boss Talk. It's a unique hook. Yeah, we came from the stroke. Boss Talk. Say you looking for the best. We ain't worried about the rest. Boss Talk. Yeah. Yeah. Man, you on it. I don't know. To be honest with you. Once you do what you done. For real? No, for no, I'm not gonna lie to you. I really kind of just got to that point. Like I used to kind of fall in love with my beats. Like I make them and I'll be listening to them and just listen. To be honest with you here recently ever since I've just lost this hard drive I ain't got time to fall in love with beats. I gotta make them and crank them up. What's the fastest you can make a beat? The fastest? Yeah. I've made a beat in like 30 minutes but it probably averages me probably by like an hour. So I'll probably go over an hour. I can't be under an hour but if I like it I tend to you know want it to be perfect. Yeah, yeah. So I tend to spend a little bit of time on it. So do it matter if a person say if Money Moses came to you and wanted to beat or if Boosie or Tip came to you and wanted to beat, does it matter? No, it don't matter. It don't matter at all. Like I said, like I said. You gonna deliver? Absolutely. Huh? I'm gonna need one anyway. I told you that nigga was a rapper. I'm not dead. That nigga was a rapper. He need a beat. They need a beat. That nigga need a beat. I got a beat. I can make a song. I just can't rap it. So why not me just make a song and get somebody that they can? Well then let's just put the hook on it and sell it. We can do that then. I got a lot of those hooks on it. We can do that. That's even better. Cause this nigga really, we can put the hooks on it and we can sell it. He was all in Las Vegas that nigga rapping man. Man knew it. Let me tell you what happened. Memo of a rapper. I'm not trying to bring this up. And Ryan Water had to fight. I started making that beat first before Motu even put that song out. I started making that beat first. And then the next day Motu put the song out. So he ain't making no more. Cause he already put it out before I did. I was making it. He probably already had it made. When I was making it then he put it out so I'm like fuck. And I don't sense him doing no more. Yeah that nigga a rapper. It's two situations. Remember the stimulus chick. The first stimulus chick when Donald Trump signed it out. How to ball with Trump. Ballin' with Trump. Yeah he getting that money. So he been doing the rap thing. I know how to make it. I just don't give a damn about putting it out. So when you get a beat you just send it to him. I'll see if he wants it. Cause he gonna damn shell rap. He raps. I got a few people I got a drop box with. That I kind of just drop. He's a real rapper so drop it. I'm not a real rapper. I'm making music. It's different. If I had everything at home I'd be right next to you. I was gonna make one with you and I was just gonna drop beats in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no I'm serious about that. Cause I'm dealing with these niggas for real. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. I'm doing a nightlife. No, no, no, no. So many people in the nightlife. Yeah, yeah I wasn't trying to do it. But we all linked in so when you get up and show me. I'm really out here just. Jerry, I got another little cat that's out of these. That one beats right now. And that boy that was on here the other day. So I'm always needing something to try to give them. Nah, yeah, but he usually be messing with Sergeant J. It don't matter. He gonna want to try to see what he can do with that thing. Yeah, no, for sure. Hold on, hold on. What about the female battle? What about it? He think he can produce it. We trying to do like a scythe for him. Yeah, scythe for all females. For all the females that been coming through. See, I just need a beat that's open for these females. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when I do it, they gonna be right here. They gonna be, yeah, yeah. That's not a problem. Yeah, that's what he's gonna want to do. It might be one of the ones that I already sent you. It's one code in there. I be having to make people believe it's that one. You talking about the ones you sent me today? I sent you, I think it's called. You sent me three, didn't you? Nah, I probably sent you like four or five. Oh, it's five, yeah, five. I'm gonna play it first. I bet you I can pick it up. Here we go, let's go. Here go the first one. Let's see what we got here. I'm probably gonna give me a second. I know that thing going. Check it out. Let's go. I actually did this last night. I want this one. I know how it's gonna go. I promise you I do. I know that. Can you rap just be wanting to rap on that one? Yeah. It's like an old school feeling when you get to it. When you get to an old school feeling, you gotta bring the old school with the new school and you're gonna push it. So do you still say you don't rap or you rap? No, I don't rap, but I can make a song. Yeah. It's a difference. You think YG can do some of that, VIP? Not too slow. Nah, it's too slow. YG, he might. But nah, I ain't gonna lie to you. I heard some YG here lately. No, he's talking about VIP YG. Oh, say less. Never mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. VIP YG. Say less. His name was there before him, too. He probably can do it. He probably can. I mean, do you ever do beats and then just think of this person should be on that beat? I honestly didn't do that till recently. Really? I've been working with this producer, DMAT. Shout out DMAT. Shout out DMAT. I really didn't start thinking about other artists until working with him because he would be in there, we'd be cooking up and he'd be talking about other artists as we're cooking. You know what I'm saying? He'd be rapping like other artists as we're cooking. You know what I'm saying? So up until recently, yeah, but not typically. I tend to like to make stuff that I like in which, you know, you're not always the best. You got to keep your ear to the streets and make things that are relevant and that you know that people are listening to, you know what I'm saying? Especially if you're trying to make something of your career. Yeah, so do you think that okay, out of all the people that you've been, because you've been doing this now for a while, I talked to Sean on the beat just a little earlier before we got here because I'm trying to do something with him like this as well, where we can vibe out, talk about the beats, because I like the production side of it. That's just something that I like. Shout out to you for putting the shine on the producers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I just, I was hollering at him because it was like, okay, I'm going to have these guys coming through. Because I've been dealing with the videographers and different people, the marketing guys that's putting me, bringing the guys through the rappers, you know. I love that backside, where basically, pause, you know that, bam, you know, that's how I sound. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? We there, but we not there. Yeah, yeah. That's how I like it. What do you think, do you think that have you ever did a whole album with just this one artist? I have. I have. How did that go? With him, it was easy. Oh, okay. Remember the guy I told you that I started producing for? Yeah. He was the one. I did a full album and I probably did about 80% of an album. Wow. That's out on iTunes. Shout out Trey Scott. Trey Scott. It didn't take long. I honestly feel like, within a week and a half of me coming into the basement after work and we cooking up, making music to who knows what time in the morning. You know what I'm saying? It was done. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's just. When I first got into it, I was in the all night like from 12 to about 6 to 8 o'clock in the morning. That's honestly where I learned how to make music or become comfortable making music in front of people. You know what I'm saying? Like for a long time I was in my room. You know what I'm saying? Like not really around people bringing my stuff to people to listen to. So when I was there, that was always probably about like anywhere from five to like seven artists there. You know what I'm saying? While I'm cooking up a beat and you got them behind you trying to come up with a hook or writing verses or whatever the case may be. So I actually enjoy that more because I'm really getting more of your vibe. I'm really getting like here recently there's a young female that I've been producing with and she has like, she really brought me on my box a little bit like because I never made music how I made it for her and she was like kind of right there. I'm feeling this. I think you should do that softening up on that. You know what I'm saying? Giving an input and all that kind of stuff. So you know what I'm saying? That's the kind of production that I truly, truly enjoy. Like I honestly, I'm not really a fan of just like sitting up in my room making beats. Like I like the energy in the room. Some people that be like do you wish to sign a deal with a major? I mean I say that because I've seen some guys sign deals and they share them and they don't let them really do much. To be honest with you I don't know nothing much about that. All I know is I want to make music that's lasting, that people going here and that people are going to enjoy. You know what I'm saying? And I want it to get out. I'm not trying to be shelf so that is a part of it. I don't want no part of it. You don't want to be shelfed. I don't want no part of it. I don't want to be shelfed when I can move around and touch people. You think about it, they want it how they want it. Right. And if it's something they like you might sign and do that you might get fired and the next thing you know you under somebody who don't really care nothing about you. You know what I mean? Look at it in that next beat man. Yeah, because I got to pick the one for a cipher. I know that one there, that's a good one but that one there for a cipher. He wasn't thinking about no cipher when he did this. I know, but I'm saying I think it's one in there. Oh yeah? Yeah, I think it might be one in there. That ain't it. I know that ain't it but that's hard though. I'ma know it when it come on. This is simple. Groovy. You know what I'm saying? Just a little groove. I tried to give you a bunch of different flavors in there. Yeah. That's in there, can't nobody get that one. Somebody got that already. Oh yeah? But that be hard though so I had to play that. Now let me know if it's some trash in there. I want to know. I want to know. What's up with your comments? Y'all think Mad Max is dropping trash right here? Nah for real. Yeah, if he dropping trash I want y'all to put it in the comments. Mad Max on it. You got to listen to what this producer was doing. Watch this producing thing going in. I like that thing. What is that in the background with that? That's a sample I found on the internet. That's a sample I found. Yeah I mean that's part of production. That's part of production. You got to find that stuff. I really sit down and think about the songs, right? We just sit down. Just because that part go in with it. Not really. You catch the beat and go. That's what, like, not for me, it's hard. No, I'm talking about before. You just want to make it sound sound good. Yeah, I feel that. You got to sit down. I feel that. You got to throw anything on it. Yeah. You gonna send them to me and I'm gonna put them on YouTube and tell you niggas y'all now for free and then talk to me. They ain't gonna be it. No, they ain't gonna anyway. Damn. They ain't gonna be it. Niggas, yeah, get it if you want. Yeah. I like that, man. Yeah. That was nice. That was my layback. I think that, I think that, that describes me. You know what I'm saying? I got something we can do. It's like every year at the time for that wet fish. So you be listening to them make beats all the time? Yeah, I do. What do you think about my boy Mad Man? I got to actually be in the studio with you to actually feel it. Like you can make a beat and I can listen to it, but I want to be in that with you while you're doing it. Yeah. Knowing everything. Yeah. I like to be in that with you. You want to see how it goes on. You want to see the process. I like the process. That's cool. I don't like to finish the touch, because the finish doesn't always be good. Yeah. I like to. Not always. Not always. But I'm just saying, even if you went out watching, I mean, if you went out and listened to it, you gonna be like, yeah, he could do this, he could do that. But if you actually listen. I ain't got to be in that. They ain't gonna hear that right there come through. I got to be in that with you. So what do you think about them, like them old samples they been doing? I like them. I like them. It's a few. We got to do. We got to get some of them old. There's some in there, but it's some more I got. I got a note full of samples I need to flip. I want to hear some, man. I got to give you one. If I give you one, you can do it. Absolutely. We got to get it clear, though. Yes. It may cost some money. So choose wisely. I think it was one of them. I want to say it was Eric Sherman. I was around him one time. I don't even think I got his picture up in there. I got pictures with him. They had a deal where you could go in and clear samples, clear old songs. They had a whole system set up like that. I feel like I know something about something like that. You can go in there and you put it in and you ask for clearance. Some of them cost, some of them don't. And they go all the way through to show that they're clear. I probably want to look him up and see if he's still right. That's definitely a good situation. That's dope, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Oh, you ready to go again? Yeah. That nigga, I want it now cracked. That nigga got to hear the next beat. That nigga like, let me hear the next beat. The next beat going to be better than the last beat. I actually like that. I like that beat better than the first. I wrote my song last night. It's because of the man. The first one was just some simple running. Yeah, yeah, some running. You know what I'm saying? That second one was like... That's just laid back. You have to think about something. You have to think about something. We write that song. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. She knew. We good? Yeah. Hey. We back. Huh? I should have been making beats, nigga, when I was young. I'd have come back as a nigga. I've been on you, nigga. You don't like that, nigga. You don't know me. You still can. Nah, for real. Nah, I'm too busy now. I got to do this part else. I'm not going to do this. I like that. Yeah, that's a bad boy right there, man. And I might have to get that one just to get it. He just wanted that time. It says I already gone. Oh, yeah. He won't let me get that one. It's already gone. Damn. What if I pay more? I'm going to take it off. My great-dad has sold a truck three times. I'm going to have to let you take that over here. Every time they come out of the house, they didn't pick that truck. He said, that truck out there, is it for sale? Yeah, it's for sale. He sold it three times. What is next? Let's get to it, man. Man. It's because I don't know what's coming up. You don't. You don't. You make so many beats. Here we go. Yeah, that's my boy Mad Max, y'all. He in the building. Nah, this is not it. Hold up. Let it in. Nah, that's not a cycle beat. That's not a cycle beat. Nah. But that's a good beat, though. It's not a cycle beat, though. All these beats been different. Totally different. I'm from a different vibe. That's really what I'm all for. Yeah. That's really what I'm all for. I be having to really force a lot of stuff that's current. I mean, it's current, but to get that sound. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I really been working on that. So you want to make sure that, it's like going into a store. You want to have different selections. Nah, for real. Because you never know what somebody's going to be looking for. Like I said, there's beats that I don't like that when artists have got on them. I love them to death. They flipped it on me. They just flipped it on me like I was not thinking that. Wow. That's hard. I couldn't have known this one. Yeah, because you ain't no real rapper, nigga. You got to flip out, nigga. Nah, I can't. Hey, if I sit down and I just think about it, I can't. But for my head now. That's hard. Nah, I ain't going to lie to you. I have to be a cum, a cum song. Well, how come you want it? That's why I'm with me. If I make it for this song, it'll be a cum song. Oh, you're right too. Yeah, nigga. I don't know, man. I mean, that don't have to be a rap song. Like somebody could be singing on me. That was in my head. You know what I'm saying? It could be a singing song. It could be singing, rapping. You know what I'm saying? You couldn't even make a commercial where somebody doing something to it. More out thinking. You know what I'm saying? That's the whole game. Like you could make something to where it don't even have to be a song at all. It could be an average song. Imagine that being elevator music. You don't know what I'm saying? Elevator music sucks. Exactly. But you just give me use for it. Hey, let me get it. I got elevator in my house. We might be on to something. You know what I'm saying? Ticking into that market. Because it's a market. That's what people don't think. Like if you think outside of the box, you could get into different markets and market things for different things. Because I use for elevator or hold, like say hold on and listen to this. I listen to this the whole time. Yeah, like when people go to the hall and it sucks, that music sucks on the work. Don't it suck? It doesn't work. I thought the wife was listening to this too. Because life ain't no music on the ground. It's just calm, smooth. Man, man, man, man. Check it, man. Check it, man. I think it's calm. I don't tell them. I want to pick it. I ain't gonna even know it. I'm not gonna say it, but he know it. If I say it, he gonna pick it. Here we go. But it could be though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one that I was thinking. That's the one I was thinking. It's still gotta drop. He said it's... It's still gotta drop. Yeah. Yeah. I can hear that cypher all over there. Oh, yo. That ain't nice. Tell you to make these beats, man. It's your toast. No, I'm talking about a certain one. Take that one. That one didn't take long. That one didn't take long. That one didn't take long. That was just about picking music, picking sounds that I never really used before. You know what I'm saying? Like that instrument in the beginning, I never really used nothing like that sawie like that, like that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Sharp, that aggressive, that distorted. I ain't never... I like it. Y'all ain't really used no bass like that. If you wanna have a cypher or something like that, yeah, I like for that thing as fast as I like that. You know what I'm saying? And it's simple. You gotta bring it. It's definitely simple. I mean, that didn't take much. That's one of the ones... That's one of them quick ones that felt good. You didn't really have to think too much with it. It's not really much that went into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It just survived. I like it. Now, that's probably the only one that you can even remotely think cypher with. That's in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My other one was more like a... Like I said, one, I would think of advertising. There's one more. Advertising and marketing, like... But the first two were songs for me. Rap songs or whatever. You know what I mean? And that one right there, yeah, that's a bang on. You're just speakers, right, niggas? Yeah. If your speakers ain't right, niggas, you know back in the days, we'd have told that whole thing up. Nah, for real. That's what I like. I like my subs, my 808s to hit. That'd be right. And my snazzy snap for sure. So y'all let me know, man, in the comments sections. Y'all let me know, man. Hey, man, what y'all think about Mad Max, man? Is he going in, man? Hey, is he the next one up, man? Let's go. Yeah, man, I'm gonna play that. And you gave me one more. You can get right on into it. So what's up? Why you ain't make no beats? You had a little machine and everything? I stick out all my computers and all that. I just don't do it. You was a rapper, a beat maker. You like it on me. You can be everything you want to be. Yeah, you want to be. Yeah. Yeah. That third one in there is the last one we just listened to. I can rock with both of them. Yeah. So it's preference. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. That's why you got different. That's why you try to make different stuff. Because you never know what somebody's gonna get. You never know what somebody's gonna get. You never know what somebody's gonna get. So when you open your big studio up, because it's coming, what you gonna call it? Yeah, man. Mad, mad music? Hey, do you got some music? Mad music. Yeah. Huh? Got some Louisiana beats. Oh, he wanna bounce. Yeah. Can you make bounce music? Yeah, it's not in that, but it's there. It is? Yeah. You can do it? Yeah. For sure. Yeah, you take a different type of nigga to know how to deal with these beats. Nigga, we took these beats back in the day and rapped all the way where we were going. Yeah. Not for real. You ever see some niggas rapping everywhere? For real. Yeah, I mean by four niggas in the car. Yeah. Baseball teams. Yeah. Back in college, back in the bar. Yeah, niggas throw that beat on and just go the freestyle in the whole way. Wait, wait, they wanna show you they can rap on everything. Yeah. Watch this, watch this. Watch this nigga up there eating out niggas. Yeah, man. Mad Max, man. Y'all go in that comment section, like I say, let me know what you think about the Max, man. Oh, he did. Like I say, he did our intro music. Mad Max pretty much been sending me music. And at the end of the day, I'm working with him, y'all. So, hey, man, if y'all need some beats, y'all, I'm your guy. And they go through me. You gonna do being a straight direct. Not for real. You can't get to the connecting. It's just like when you were hungry back in the days, you gotta deal with me. You don't wanna deal with nobody. Not through boss talk, yep. You feel me? Not for real. So what do you wanna take this whole thing, man? What do you wanna end up at in this music, John? Man, first, it needs to become a full-time situation. Okay. Need to be able to pay bills and do all of that with it. You got it? Like I just kinda really, I've been doing it for a long time, but I really kinda just started making it a business. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I wanna be able to do that. And I wanna build a production studio, a production situation. Yeah. And we finna be everywhere. We finna be a household name. So if you could work with anybody to get some pointers, who would that be? Anybody? Anybody. In this whole wide world. And I want you to give me your top three producers of all time. I don't even know three. Oh, he know three? I don't even know ten. Hell, he know ten. I know three, hell. I know three. I know three. I know you, is it? Are you serious? Quit it. And you? Then you're out of top two right there. Go ahead, give me your three. And then we'll go back to that question. Top producers, three producers. Alright, so I'ma go. Number one. I don't know. I like different. I say number one. I like different. Okay. So I like the mind of Pharrell. You like Pharrell? I like the mind of Pharrell. I knew there was going to be one of them. Okay, okay. And I forgot he's a producer. Oh, that nigga, that too? Yeah, he told me. You know what I'm saying? I love his mind. He takes some of the weirdest stuff and makes it cool. So he your number one? Yeah. You just said it. Is Jezethel a producer? Jezethel? Yeah, he's a producer. Yeah, he is. But he jump on the mic, too. Well, I didn't know. Number two. Timberlain. Now, he on to Pharrell? They together. They kind of together. I'm giving you my favorite three. No, he on to Rhett. Who the best? You can't tell them that. Who the best? Because of the style of music, I like I probably say Timberlain. Better than Pharrell? I probably say Timberlain. Just because... You think so, too? Because his group... I don't know. Talent wise, I think Pharrell can play any instrument. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, you got to listen to the finished product. And I like that finished product. Who number three? No, I don't say yourself. Give me a number three. I'm going to bring it back up to date and say Jezethel. Oh, yeah. I like Jezethel. I'd say he did post my stuff on his page. That's what made me ask you how fast you can make a beat. I'd say he did post my stuff on his page. Shout out for posting that boss talk on Zay Tolman. And that's most of it. Them three right there is really my inspirations. Now I'm not finna sit here and say I don't like murder beats. I don't sit here and like... Mustard. You know what I'm saying? Mustard and all of them. They're the ones who is doing it right now. Well, I'm going to be honest with you. I'm definitely going to stick Dr. Dre in there because in the club beat, I never heard a beat like that. Once he hit that... It's all subjective, man. Bro, that in the club beat. When I heard it, I didn't even hear a fit there on it. I heard that one on Six and Park and it kept going. Over and over. He's hard. He's hard. I had never heard anything like that. He's like the master of putting music together. The way he chops samples, the way he samples, the way he puts stuff together. I mean, you can talk many fresh. You can talk... Any fresh KLC with Jess on here. Did you see KLC on it? Yes, I did see that on her. When you say top three, it's hard. I can give you a top three any day of the week. Different three. I was going to say you can't talk about beats and I want to say Jermaine Dupri. Jermaine Dupri, he called. He's going to make you bounce. Yes. Yes. He's going to make you bounce. Scott Storch is cold. That nigga now, he just take a little sip and put it in his mouth and just... That's it. He'll be a beast with them keys. So I mean, it's a lot of different producers out there who bring a lot of different sounds to do. Mike Will made it. I'm telling you. I'm telling you it's so many. It's so many. Mike Will made it with Ziggy and Ziggy on the beat, baby. I'm seeing you. Young Ziggy was on it the other day. I had a little Ziggy. Ziggy made it. Ziggy made it. It's up and coming. He's 17 years old for yelling and traveling. So it's all out here, man. I need some music anyway for the web. This show is going to be about putting producers on the spot. We want to listen to your music. Ziggy came through it the other day. KLC came through it with Beats by the Pound. Now we got Mad Max on here. I talked to Sean on the beat earlier today. We're going to have all y'all coming through. I just love the fact that people from behind the scene, man. Y'all made it happen. Y'all make it happen. And nobody ever talked about it. Like I want to talk about it. Let's bring it to the forefront. And Zato? I need to put all y'all in one room. And go to work. Make a beat. And wait a minute. Sergeant Jay was just on here too. I just gave Sergeant Jay a award. He was the first producer I gave a award to. Sergeant Jay is cold. Yeah. I'm about to put it out too. Sergeant Jay is cold. Yeah. But I've been in the studio with him. And what happened? Like, we done all touched the beats. Wow. You know what I'm saying? But I done walked in before that. I done walked in when he didn't came in and just needed the spot to lock in. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And him just playing beats. Like he's cold. He been doing that for a long time to be young as he is, dude. Yeah. Yeah. And then come to find out D-Mack. He don't want to put D-Mack in the game. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. But I heard D-Mack was a rapper at first. I'm mad at that nigga. That nigga came on my show tonight. D-Mack, who didn't come on my show for two times in a row. I don't know why you playing with me. Three strikes you out. Not three strikes. Three strikes you out. I don't even need to play those guys. That's cool. No. No, for real. You know who get one strike and who don't. You know. You need to get one strike. I don't get one strike to me. So you're going to be hearing from me. Of course, we work close together. No, for sure. So I'm looking at big things. I already know I'm locked in with him. Me too. He don't even know it. Oh, yeah. You're family, so yeah. Man, it's go time. Yeah. So whatever you need to be, this is our go-to guy. We don't even rock really with nobody else. We need some for the whipfish. I mean the wetfish. Oh, yeah. That's coming up. Yeah. He got some coming up. That's big. Where is that? Houston? Yeah. It's a wetfish. Yeah. They rented it out. Okay. That's going to be nice. So we got somebody who's going to be rocking out. Yeah. Somebody out trying to make some sound before you go up there. No, it's like, it's like, it's basically like a different... It's like a big old party. It's like a big old outside party. It was like a pool. It was like a concert too. Your rap was coming. You know, did you ever think about being a DJ or you never was rocking with that? A lot of them beat makers be DJs. Yeah. Some of them, yeah. Yeah. Not really. Not really. I'm just, like I said, I'm behind the scenes. I like to, you know, I like to sit back. Yeah. And watch the fruits of the labor. So I don't have my... I don't have KL on here, which he a major player. Yeah, he started the game. They been in there with everybody. For sure. And I never pay attention to DJs I want to be like I started going. I didn't know these people can change the mood. They get right. What? No, yeah, yeah. What? A good DJ. He was talking that one time. He was changing the mood. He kept changing it. And he didn't... I knew he was doing it, but he didn't tell me until after it was over with. He was like, I kept changing the mood. He kept trying to change the vibe. Yeah. Like he kept doing it. Not for real. That's the thing. That was cool. I was like, shh. But I didn't get into it after he told me. Because I was already mad. Yeah. Yeah. Mad Max, man. We appreciate you for coming on the show, man. If it was... I mean, you're the top three artists of all time. My top three artists. In the jungle. In the jungle. In the jungle. In the jungle. In the jungle. All time. All time. Top three. In the jungle. Dead or alive. I hate that he do three. I always do three. Let's go. Top three. Can it be any order? Yep. No. Give me any order. Number one. Just let me give you three. Number one. No. Give me my one, man. All right. This is his one. This is his one. All right. So I'm going to go Jay. Jay Z? Yeah. Go ahead. Keep going. Keep growing up. Growing up. The business ought to wrap. It's both. Okay. It's both. He's... Yeah. It's both. Okay. So I say Jay. I'm a Wayne guy. Lil Wayne. I'm a Wayne guy. We get that a lot. Jay and Lil Wayne. We get them a lot. This last one? Jay, Lil Wayne. And who's your number three? Of all time. Of all time. And number three. I always get them. You notice that? Man, you say number three. Because there's so many. There's so many you got to pick through. Number three. Boy, boy, boy. Three I always do it to. Two out of more three is more three. It's easier. I'm going to say, damn. All right. I like Nas. So it's... I like Nas. Jay Z is Lil Wayne and Nas, man. That's my boy. That's my boy. Mad Max, top three. Jay Z, Lil Wayne and Nas, man. Etha. Hey. He wanted to make you so good. All of them older than you. Yeah. Yeah. He wanted the greatest storytellers, man. Say, man. Hey, man, that's the way we're going to wrap it up. That's what I like too. I like storytellers. Oh, yeah? That's why I like the J. Cole. You like J. Cole, too? Yeah, I like J. Cole. He playing basketball now. He fell and bumped his head a little bit. Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. Damn, my boy. I've never seen a freestyle that dropped to him on the L.A. Lucas. He's a pro basketball player. Hard. With who? Huh? I don't know nothing about the pro. With who? I would see the Africa. I heard that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a pro. Yeah, I did hear that. But why he called like that? I don't know. I think he held onto the rim too long. It's part of being a male. It's part of being an athlete. No, no, for sure. I think he held onto the rim a little too long. It hurt. I can tell. No, you're supposed to. And it got up. Any real one going to pop up like that. You're supposed to later. No, I'm lander. In the game? I'm lander. In the game? I don't care. I'm lander. I'm lander. I'm tired like I'm old. Second, man. Say, man, I'm going to lock y'all out like that, man. It's been another great segment, man. For sure. Hey, we appreciate you. We love you. Thank you very much. And anytime you want to be on here, you know you're family. I appreciate that. Say, man, Boston 101. Good boy.