 Thank you so much for staying with us and if you're just tuning in, this is Y254 TV. Tonight in the stand we'll be looking to matters BBI for the last one week or so. We have seen all manner of drama from our politicians and our leaders involving the electorates in regards to how to vote or not to vote for the BBI report, which is the building bridges initiative. In the stand we'll look into the misgivings or the grey areas into the report as highlighted by several or the divide on the indipolitical divide. Stay with us, stand sending in your comments or questions to all our social media platforms Y254 channel at Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. In this program I'm sitting in for Ram Goko. And tonight we have two panelists who will be helping us to dissect into this particular matter to understand better or to even understand what we need to do or want, what we need, we don't need to do. I'll be speaking to Philip Mongali and Nudin Kangai. They will be joining us in a bit for now. But the question is, should the report go as it is? Should it be voted in as it is or it should be amended? That has been the biggest questions to the people. Should the report be voted in as it is or it needs further amendments like it has been proposed? I'm bringing in Nudin Kangai a lawyer and a politician who is passionate on matters of youth politics and governance geared towards youth empowerment as social political and economical. Good evening. My name is Nudin Kangai, a Kenyan and most importantly a son of the soil. I believe DBI was formed under the mantra of unity and if at all we had to move ahead we should have everyone in the bandwagon. And if at all some feel like they don't need to be part of it, you need to listen to them. So what do I mean? I believe the document as it is raises serious concerns and serious issues that have been left unresolved. So I believe we need to look at the document dissect it, have a surgery, post mortem on it. And finally, if we are at all to have a situation where we want to solve historical injustices or issues, we need to move together as one. And that is the reason why we believe unity is forward. And if at all we don't move the same way, we are going nowhere. I would like you for the sake of our audience out there, should the report be subjected to further amendments or it should be passed as it is? It should be amended. There are sections or areas where people feel that certain things need to be deleted, others added. First and foremost, I believe we need to have institutions need to be made to be independent. That is most importantly because under the constitution we are talking about separation of power and we need to have that in the new dispensation. Enough. Welcome to the program. I am now bringing in Philip Mungale, who is the leadership and governance consultant, a lawyer and also managing partner avocat global law firm. He is also director of the global consultant executive director homepage international. He is a man of quite a profile. Good evening and welcome. Good evening. Thank you. I think one of the things that we need to understand is that constitutional making is supposed to be a social enterprise rather than a political enterprise as we have done it. And I am talking about the BBI process and the impending constitutional amendments. That said, we must also understand what the BBI recommendations are. In my view, if I am to use medical terms, I think what the BBI report and the impending constitutional amendments excel at is one, to take an accurate medical history of the national problems that we are facing and two, to correctly identify the symptoms that we have suffered as a country. But it suffers acute misdiagnosis of the problem. It also suffers a dangerous misprescription because the things that are being prescribed in the BBI report and the impending constitutional amendments are not prescriptions that in my view we should carry on as a nation. So if we proceed in the manner that we are as the report is and with the proposed amendments to this constitution, then it will be akin to a cosmetic repair to a perfect document that utterly captures our values as a country. And that will be just because we have a present and possible suitor who is conniving by the way. And by that I mean the politicians of this country. So in my estimated view we must do some drastic changes to the proposed amendments to the constitution and indeed the policy and administrative recommendations under the report. Before I allow you to sit as well, do you recommend or should the report be subjected to further amendments or it should be voted in as it is? If it were up to me, I do not think that we should be having this discussion about BBI, the report or the constitutional amendments. But now that we are here we must make some drastic changes to those recommendations lest we do a cosmetic repair to a perfect constitution and invite catastrophic consequences. Five years or ten years down the line. Thank you so much and welcome. We'll be dissecting that into details whether we should be voting in for it or we shouldn't. Our gentlemen and panelists here they will be helping us to understand more of what you've had. Of course you already know the kind of people I'm now having here and they take in regards to the BBI. You also have your opinion send us in your comments or questions to all our social media platforms again Y254 channel on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. This time begins right now.