 Hello everybody, E here. Welcome back to another video. Today we're going to be talking about inspiration for Stephen King's It that I want to have a discussion about this because the person that I reread a certain novel with, we'll get to that in a minute, they were very adamant, ideally they were very adamant that this could not possibly be the case, that Stephen King obviously came up with all of these ideas on his way before he ever wrote the book, but I feel even as a super Stephen King fanboy, I feel that there are certain elements that just cannot be explained away by you know, just simple coincidence. So today we are comparing and contrasting Dean Koons's, yes, Dean Koons's Phantoms with Stephen King's It. You have a You right off the bat, you got a size difference. I'm using Sarah Frost's gift to me this time This isn't the one that that Brooksie sent me, but so this is a 1300 page novel, at least this version is, and Dean Koons's Paperback is right at 420 pages But we're going to jump in that you won't be seeing much of this one first off because it's heavy and I got weak wrists Sure, that's why But the we're going to be talking about Phantoms today So I'm not sure what I'm going to title this because I want to make a series of this especially on the run-up to The it chapter 2. No, I have not watched the trailer. No, I'm not going to watch the trailer I'm going to go into the film completely blind unlike No, not unlike like I was able to with the first one like I was unable to do with a pet cemetery While I love this community. You guys are a hell of spoilery I have every single thing I can't mute the word it on YouTube or else it would probably Every single comment, but if I could but I am very very particular about which Comments I read if it has it in it and had Stephen King themed anyways So jumping into the actual comparison here's some stuff that I thought Couldn't have been a coincidence. Well, actually first I'm getting ahead of myself How do I even know that Stephen King read Dean Coons? Well here on the the quote Page and it's not a generic quote. It's the second one. It's by Stephen King It's not even a generic quote like Dean Coons is a master of master baiting or something No, why that came out like that, but anyways So the quote is from Stephen King Phantoms So he names the book Phantoms is gruesome and unrelenting. It has atmosphere Character and story. I couldn't let it alone until I was done. It's well realized Intelligent and humane There's also a quote that someone sent me because I just could not believe that Stephen King could have anything to do with Dean Coons Where Stephen King said that sometimes Dean Coons is really awful Now that's not to say that he's always awful at some point in time either You know, he was forced to give a blurb, which I sometimes think is the case It's like hey you want to play nice with this person, but this is a really fantastic novel So do I believe that King read it and liked it? Hell yeah, I do I believe that I believe every inch of that because I feel the same way about this book This book's fantastic. I could do without one of the subplots, but anyways so The right off the bat the creature monster entity in Phantoms I'm gonna I'm gonna have to say it there's gonna be spoilers throughout for both it and Phantoms So if you haven't read both books, I suggest you GTFO So right off the bat the monster creature the sentient petroleum jelly from Phantoms I know that sounds goofy. It's much better than it sounds It is called it throughout the book until they change the name to shape changer Some people call it Satan There's a lot of anyways, but it's a sewer underground dwelling entity named it So obvious right? Maybe not so obvious and this is one of those things that me and Deely went back and forth with quite a bit Was the flutcher kale Henry Bowers? I guess at this point in time I was seeing so many illusions to it that maybe I forced this one, but I'll let you guys decide I do want to have discussion whether or not you think Stephen King Got ideas for it with this book. This book was published first by the way 1983 at least well not this version. This is a variant from 1996 where he updated the pop culture references to like the OJ trial and whatnot, but the original version of this book and hardcover came out in 1983 and Stephen King's it didn't come out until 1986 So he had plenty of times and plenty of time to add things and subtract things and whatnot Because King wrote it if we're to believe the the note at the end of it between 1981 and 1985 and then it was published in 86 but what I'm getting at is the flutcher kale and The Henry Bowers connection I feel you both have this This crazy person who was locked up and is summoned from lock up to go do the monsters bidding Which is strange. There's a couple things in phantoms that do not feel right First off the creature is not supernatural other than the fact the way it communicates somehow it is able to use the phone Somehow it is able to use computers Somehow it is able to reach the flutcher kale while he's in jail and he's called toward it Other than that the creature from phantoms isn't supernatural at all. It doesn't have supernatural powers It travels through the sewers and it kills it has to be in the same area where people are to kill It cannot otherwise other than you know toying with people it cannot Control them in any way shape or form but yet it called to this kale character now in it It's more believable because penny well it the entity known as it Who's also penny wise it's not the creature isn't penny wise penny wise the clown Is the shape that it takes to scare children Much like the spider at the end which there's a lot of spiders Throughout this book, especially a gigantic spider. That's the size of uh, what was it a small car deal? I can't remember. I think I believe it was the size of a small car And an it at the end of it It gets trapped in the shape of a giant spider, but the flutcher kale henry bowers thing Am I reaching there? Let's say I am reaching. I'm gonna take that one on the chin I am reaching a bit with that when you you have two crazy people Both of them are locked away when they get summoned to do the the bidding of this uh, supernatural entity But in phantoms, it's not really supernatural If you guys want to explain how you think the creature in phantoms Does supernatural things please do let me know down there in the doobly All right next up on page 202 of this paperback version you have voices from the drain in the sink Just before a bunch of gunk explodes out of it. I mean you can't I'm sorry that that to me is not a coincidence Especially when you have the thing being called it And then you have the voices from the drain you have the little kids voices All that stuff just before stuff erupts from the drain If there are more instances of this happening before it not mind you before it if there are more instances of this happening In fiction along with all the other stuff that I found Please let me know down there in the doobly do my friend anthony also brought up the fact that Peter Straves floating dragon, which was published before it Also has a lot of stuff that he feels that that king borrowed from Now I say borrowed Um there I feel strongly that there's a difference between ripping someone off a tribute an ode kind of deal a reboot And borrowing content. Um, is he ripping off these scenes? I don't think so because they're used in different contexts and Context what I mean by that is they don't serve the same purpose for in it There's it's a scene of character building and terror in this one It is just a scene of terror with no context to it You were getting the the character development with bev's Character in that scene whereas with this with this scene It's nothing but a scene of terror that has nothing to do with anything He's trying to show the I guess the the powers of the monster um The trap door spider analogy once again that that's on page 242 of this one The trap door spider analogy where you know, it's it's hiding underground and just waiting to pull people down And then on page, uh, you have the sewers shape shifting monster I mean we already we already discussed that well actually we need to discuss the shape shifting Um, this creature also shape shifts So it can be anything that it has come across anything it has eaten. Um The creature it um, I'm going to call it penny wise just so we can differentiate between the two So penny wise is a shape shape changer also um But with him the it's used to to well with both of them It the uh, the shape shifting is used to lure and bait So there's another connection with is the shape shifting I do believe that it is a little more It is well better used and you're going to hear this a lot from me It is better used in Stephen King's it because it has emotional Concentrations and it has character building connotations Whereas in this one it just feels like random things the only time it ever really Used a character's uh fears or wants or needs or anything like that is with the the guy who thought he missed his calling God had called him to be a veterinarian and he didn't become a veterinarian So the thing turned into a dog to lure him Um, whereas any other time it was a huge moth. It just didn't really make any sense Whereas in it everybody's fears. I mean you even have a gigantic The gigantic bird you have very weird things, but it has to do specifically With the fears of the characters whereas with this one It's just kind of taking on the forms of the the people and the animals that it has, you know sucked up On page 354 they talk about the creature Hibernating hibernating it eats for a while and then disappears for a while And then it pops up again. There's illusions that there might be more than one. Um, if you've read, okay, uh, well, I guess There's there's a newer Stephen King book that alludes to the fact that Pennywise is not the only creature like Uh Like him, you know and all through the dark towers there's mentions of other creatures like Pennywise And it's it's not just tack could be another that's another uh from uh desperation and regulators That that's another thing you have all these different creatures in here It is uh supposed that there might be other creatures like this They are just hidden because you know so much of our world is Undiscovered I guess because most of it is covered in water I thought that was an interesting connection. Also, you have this creature that of course goes and hibernates Now you can say that you know that that can be easily written off with going Okay, that just explains why we haven't found one yet because it only does this every once in a while And then it goes away. It's the same with uh with with in Stephen King's it if he was if Pennywise was constantly active Something would be said or done even you know beyond the scope. He would have devoured dairy ages ago He would have killed everybody and then he would have had to move on. That's pretty much what happens here Um, so maybe King read this and like I have to do something to change to change that Um, I can't have him devouring the whole town. So let's just go after the kids. I don't know I'm tossing ideas around but the but add on the voices in the drain shape shifting monster lives down the sewers underground and It hibernates. So there we have four. I think four hard connects Um on page 267. I found father call Callahan now Salem. This is funny Salem's lot came before phantoms. So what happens the what what do you think? What do you think of now? I know there's there's loads of father Callahan's I know, but wouldn't it be funny if Stephen King was reading along and he went father Callahan, huh? All right, I got you ass. I got you and just just Borrowed a whole bunch of stuff to make his book Okay on page 272 I hope that it's actually the page where that is the writing on page 272. It describes writing on a wall in a bathroom I mean We got all this other stuff going on. So we have p r o which is I think is uh Proteus, I think is the name the the underground god or whatever it was Uh, I can't remember the the mythology behind that. They actually talked about it in uh stranger things You know this uh this last episode this last season stranger the most recent season stranger things three Um, they talked about proteus. I believe um But in this one, I mean literally somebody has written on a bathroom wall I think it's iodine in this one, but it's in it. It is Stanley Euras and his blood after he sliced his wrist I can't remember. I know there's one didn't one character killed himself in this book They shot themselves in the head after seeing the monster Uh, there's there's another thing the monster being so so so alarming that someone has killed themselves Just so they don't have to face it. Um, I'm not sure if that was the case in this one I know it's a husband and a wife that are stuck in the bathroom I can't remember if they killed themselves or not, but I do know they died in the bathroom and But just before they died, I guess they I guess it wasn't suicide because The guy was writing it and couldn't finish what he was writing before the monster killed him So there's another one. Yeah, there's another one. Okay, uh, 281 Someone mentioned, uh, I think lovecraft is mentioned Of course, hp lovecraft is a huge inspiration for just about just about every horror writer out there Especially steven king if you go look at his stuff, um, much of his stuff is also Related to mocking art. Arthur mocking. I think is the name. Um, the great god pan Uh, the that that book that story book whatever it is, uh Alone inspired king with a lot of his stuff And I think the the mocking book is much more subtle than even lovecraft And I think that's more where steven king gets his horror when he is scary. It's because he's subtle You know, we're not talking about wilma jerzik and whoever on top, you know Fighting out in the streets, you know in needful things. We're not talking about it seems like that We're talking about the very subdued horror that king is good at I think he gets that more from mocking but the topic here is lovecraft So there is a lot of lovecraftian things in this book steven king, of course, you know, he reaches back to lovecraft Um, let's see here and page 320. There's a reference to the blob. I only bring that out It's just something that I thought was funny because that's pretty much where dean coons got his creature from Was the blob it is a sentient jelly that just dissolves things So while I do feel that a lot of the stuff in this book inspired king to write Some sections of his Over a thousand page masterpiece. I do not feel that they're the same book in any way shape or form But I do think that there's pieces that have been taken from this book that he went that'd be a good idea I'm going to repurpose that for my stuff and do it better. This is kind of like a kick in the nuts That's that's how I feel. Um because let's be let's be honest king did do it better Let's see here already discussed the uh, okay already discussed the supernatural aspect the final aspect Of this the ending of both it and phantoms has to do With the town actually crumbling and crack the roads cracking everything coming apart Like there's an earthquake while these creatures are dying. Um, so it it there's way too many illusions to Phantoms in it that I feel that it's more than just coincidence Which one do I prefer even though both books are fantastic? I believe Stephen king's it is a masterpiece Have you read phantoms? Have you read it? I hope so if not, then I just spoiled loads of great stuff Where you from both books, but uh, let me know how much Do you think I got right? Do you think I'm on the nose or you like d. Lee and you think, um Do you think that I just completely missed the mark and all of this is just crazy coincidence Let me know down there in the doobly-doo, but until next time. I have any you've and you this has been on the Stephen king video I'll talk to you guys later. Bye. Bye