 When we speak to policymakers about supporting the informal economy, we often are told that they have other competing policy priorities, that they have limited financial resources, there's a trade-off between doing X versus doing Y. And one of my responses is that we're not asking for a lot of financial investment only. What we're asking really for is a change in the mindset about the informal economy so that they are recognized and valued and not treated as somehow non-productive and non-compliant. And that doesn't require an investment. Once you're thinking in that way and you realize that they contribute, they contribute to food security, they contribute to economic growth, they contribute to health provision, they contribute to cleaning the environment, then the so-called investment in them, the expenditure is seen as a wise investment to increase productivity but also to serve the economy and society.