 All right. Good morning everyone. Welcome to a new week. Hope you had a great week. Good morning. Good morning. Let's begin this time with the word of prayer. Maybe Kishan, you can lead us in prayer. Heavenly Father, thank you Jesus for this day and this morning, Lord. As Lord, we are beginning our class and the day, Lord, help me and guide me, Lord. And especially, Lord, we bless you, Lord, whatever it is, Lord, we can equip ourselves, Lord. And Lord, I bless everyone in the name of Jesus. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Kishan. All right. So let me just present the notes. So last week, we talked about the upward, Jim English, upward inward model. Let me just project that. Yes. So upward, inward, outward model. We talked about how these four aspects love the Lord, your God, all your heart, the inward model, love your neighbor as yourself. Outward, go and make disciples forward, teaching them to go and make disciples again. Right. So we looked at how, because Jimmy Glee has written it in detail, but here we're just looking at summarizing what this is all about. And each one of us can apply this model in our cell groups. We can also apply it in our churches, right? We can do that as well. Now, we also looked at how to lead a great cell group meeting, good environment, praise and worship, Christ centeredness, delegating responsibilities, being sensitive to the people who are attending the life group, the cell group, conflict handling, you know, following up with the new people who visit the cell group. And very importantly, we talked about what do we do with our children? So many times we feel that, okay, you know, children, okay, we'll give them some crayons and they'll sit and they'll do some coloring. But don't underestimate the spiritual capabilities of children, right? Because nowadays children are really very high in their thinking and their understanding. And so it'll be good to have children also sit for the worship because they watch, they learn. And then you can delegate somebody to, you know, lead the children. Maybe it could be a topic that you can choose every week, every time you meet. And that way, even the children are growing up in the Lord. So it's not like the children are saying, okay, let's go to cell group. We can, you know, anyways, we can play some games. No, it's not about that, right? Yes, of course, you can make it a fun time, but also ensure that children are getting the word. Children are involved in equipping themselves, right? And you can start off from the age of, I would say, five. From five, you can get them to sit for classes, sit for, and begin to teach them scriptures, right? Maybe children, toddlers is, you know, that's it, they can, you know, do something else. But children five and above, you can begin to, you know, have exciting, meaningful classes for them. And those, what we do now, years later, they will remember, right? Because those are seeds sown in their lives. Then we looked at responsibilities of a cell group leader, personal life and character, right? Be a model, be an example, be passionate about what you're doing. Just do it just because, okay, I've been asked to do it or I've been doing it for five years. Now, be passionate about it. Now, you know, the Bible says, Paul says, you know, fan into flame, right? So yes, that flame, that fire may burn out, but you've got to fan it into flame, right? That's something we do. And then we talked about conviction as well, being led, you know, by knowing that you are the leader and you are imparting into people's lives and they, in turn, are going to go out and make a significant change in the kingdom, for the kingdom of God, right? Because many times, you know, we think, oh, there's only 12 people. Oh, I want to see those hundreds and, you know, 500,000. But we need to understand the vision is different, right? Here it's 12 people, but the impact that you make on that 12 can reach to thousands years later, right? So always be driven that way. All right, so let's pick up from where we stop. Let's look at ministering to, I think we stopped here. Sure, where we stopped? Yes, ministering to cell members, right? Chapter six here. All right, so before I begin, feel free to, you know, unmute and ask questions in between. And you can also post your questions on the chat. Since I'm projecting this, I can't see the question. So maybe one of us can just cue me in if there are questions. Let me know, you can unmute, let me know if there are questions, and then we can continue. Right, so ministering to your cell members, right? Now, when you have a cell group, there will be people who are coming who are saved. There will be people who are unsaved. There will be new believers, there will be believers who are there for 20 years. They know everything from the Bible. Now, important thing, work with each member appropriately, accordingly, and take time to build them up. Now, if you know that there's somebody in your cell group who's 20 years in the Lord, right? First thing, don't go first thing and say, okay, you know what, I can teach you this, I can teach you this. Now, give them time, right? Because they have been with the Lord. They probably know a lot about the word and about the foundational truths of God. So, you can spend more time with those who are new, right? So, let's look at those few points. The first thing you do is when a visitor comes in. Now, whether they are a new believer, whether they are unbeliever, or whether they are, you know, many years in the Lord, and now they suddenly come to our church and they're joining the cell group. These are certain points we must do. First one, the history, the vision, and the purpose of the church, right? So, you tell them, right? Now, you may not know the history, it's good to go back, find out, talk to your leaders, talk to your pastor, ask him, how did you start off? What was the, you know, what were the challenges that you faced, and how did, you know, God build this church into what it is now? And get to know the history and drive the vision and the purpose of the church, right? So, that is something, that is why we have our, in our announcements, every Sunday, we drive it. The vision of all people's church is to be salt and light to the city of Bangalore, a voice to the nation and to the nations. We drive it. So, even, you know, you wake up one of our church members in the midnight, 2 a.m. and say, hey, what's the vision of the church? They'll know it, because they've heard it, and heard it, and heard it, and heard it. It's just gone in. They don't have to say, you know, hey, wait, let me go to the website and check, what's the vision now? Because we've been driving it in, right? And so, when we do this, we begin to, you know, instill it into our cell group members. All of a sudden, you'll see that, hey, it's not about me, it's not about the leader, but it's about being salt and light wherever we are, to be a voice, right? The voice of God, to be, you know, God's mouthpiece wherever we are, right? Then we can also reiterate every week, whenever you meet, the church's statement of faith, right? What do we believe in? Now, every church will have a statement of faith, right? So, if you look at it, they'll say, okay, these are what we believe in. We believe in the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. We believe in the Trinity. We believe that the Holy Spirit has nine gifts, and we can all operate in those nine gifts. And we believe that God is, you know, equipping each one of us to be, every, you know, member is a minister. And so, every church will have statement of faith. So, go over that document with them, right? Now, sometimes, you know, we may feel that, hey, these are things they already know, right? Or what will they think of me? You know, I've been, you know, I've been started, I've started this life group. It's five years now. We're still talking about the statement of faith, the vision, and what is he going to think of me? No, don't worry about what people think. Because what you're doing is you're, you're really, if the seed is already sown, you're watering it, right? So, it's really good to do this, right? If people ask you in a cell group, hey, why are we doing this every time? Let them know. You know, this is why we are doing it. We are, we are reiterating it every now and then. Now, it's as simple as this. We have breakfast, lunch, dinner. Now, the next day, we can say, hey, no, yesterday, I had breakfast, lunch, dinner, no. Today, I don't want breakfast, lunch, dinner. We don't do that, right? We wake up, we have breakfast, lunch, dinner. Why? Because we need to do that. Our body needs it the same way. Our spirit needs, and our mind also needs these things. You know, the statement of faith, why we're doing what we're doing, just to keep us on track, right? Then we have information about the church membership. Now, when church membership comes, a couple of chapters later, we'll talk about how church membership is well. Regarding church membership, now, different churches have different rules, right? Now, in APC, once you're, you know, three or four months attending church, right, you can begin to volunteer in the church. You can volunteer in certain areas, ushering team, all the different teams, sound and setup team, media team. You can volunteer, right? But if you want to become a life group leader or a cell group leader, we have different rules, because this is, you know, you're talking to people, it's a ministry role. So for that, we usually say, okay, you need to be 12 months, at least a year, you need to have been a part of APC. And after that, six months, you have to at least be part of a cell group. And then you can, you know, start your own cell group, right? But membership is something that, you know, after three months or four months, if a family decides, hey, you know, I want to be part of this church, they can always come, we have membership class. And again, in the membership class, we let them know about everything of the church, right? So this is the vision. We have five locations in Bangalore. We have different locations in India. This is what we were. This is what we are now. This is what we want to be. This is the vision. 10 years down the line, we introduce our pastoral team, staff, everybody. And then, you know, they become members. Of course, there's the sign and their details. And then there's church members, right? Then we need to be committed to a cell group. Now, when it comes to a cell group, for example, there's a couple, right? They joined the young couple's cell group. It's very important for the cell group leader to inform those who are part of the cell group to be committed, right? Why? Because sometimes we take this for granted, right? Meaning we say, okay, they're coming. They will come, right? Of course, God has put it in their hearts and they really want to grow with the vision of the church. They want to grow personally and they like the community. They like the fellowship. But it's also important as cell group members to, you know, to let them know, hey, commitment is very important, right? Commitment is very important to be committed to the cell group. And that may involve volunteering in small ways. Being there, just being present in a cell group, it really encourages the life group leaders as well. Like, hey, you know, this is, it's nice, you know, imagine you have a cell group and then, you know, normally you have 12 people. All of a sudden, you just have two people. You know, sometimes it discourages the cell group leaders. But then it's important that we must teach them. We tell them that we committed to the cell group, right? Learn about their future. So one of the things that we always tell our leaders is during their life group leaders training is when you start a cell group from day one, your mind or intention or thought should be, how can I raise up more leaders from day one? Right now, you don't have to go tell them that. But this is in the mind, right? Okay, I'm starting a cell group. If I have 10 people, I have 10 leaders, right? But I need to train them up. It may take a year, it may take two years, it may take three years, but eventually I can have 10 leaders in the church. Imagine that, right? You're one leader. Three years down the line, you have 10 cell groups. All 10 people in your cell group have started their own cell group. So you let them know that, hey, you're not just attending just to be here to fellowship, but eventually we want to see you becoming a leader. It's not that, okay, I'm going to lead and you will be under me for the rest of your life. No, right? So we always intentionally tell our cell group leaders. And then we also, you know, since people are from other fates or people are, you know, coming from different backgrounds, right? Maybe Christians, but they're coming from different backgrounds. They may be coming from a brethren church or a CSI church or any other denomination. Now, we don't ridicule them if they don't know anything, but just teach them, right? It could be water baptism. It could be on praise and worship. It could be the Lord's table and so many things. So we can take time to teach them. And we look at some more on how we can do that, right? Cell lessons, right? Now, we know that at APC, I think I've mentioned it many times, we discuss what was the Sunday sermon, right? Now, you may be wondering, hey, we are, you know, doing the Sunday sermon, what is the cell lessons? Now, one of the, another important thing that we encourage our cell group leaders is as you start a cell group, cover the book foundations, right? We have our publication, you can go to, I think it's apcw.org slash foundations. You can get the PDF there. But, you know, go over biblical foundations course. Now, this will involve praise and worship, faith, you know, the Lord's table, covenants, simple things, right? Water baptism, Holy Spirit baptism. Who is the Holy Spirit? Basic foundations. Now, how can we do that? You know, because now you're meeting once in two weeks. We are covering the Sunday topic. How can I do this course? Now, here's where the cell group leader must take the initiative. What he or she can do is inform the cell group, hey, it's very important to do even this foundations course. Can we meet maybe twice a month apart from our cell groups? We can meet in the same place and we'll go over the book foundations. Or, if that is to, you know, we understand that people are working. Can we meet via Zoom or online and go over this foundations course? Now, you can also tell them why you want to do it, right? Because it is to build us up. Now, some of them in the cell group may say, hey, I already know all of this. I've been 10 years in the Lord. He said, hey, it's okay. It's a refresher. So why don't you join? And you may be, it may give you an opportunity to answer questions since you've gone through all of this. So you encourage them and you have this additional session. And as you're doing it, monitor their progress, encourage them. There was a time, I think it was early 2014, where we used to, you know, whenever we had visitors at church or those who just made the first time decision to follow the Lord, our church service used to start at 1030. So we used to ask them, can you come at nine o'clock? So some of them would come at nine o'clock. And, you know, we had a team of maybe about four or five of us. And we would teach them the foundations. Now there were some of them who were, you know, senior citizens. They've been going to church all their life, right? But now they've come to, you know, APC. So we tell them, you know, it's good for you to go through it. So we did it. And also those who joined the worship team, right? Now they are skilled in music, which is good, but they also need to grow in the spirit. They also need to know the things have gone. Just because we're drumming or playing the bass doesn't mean we know everything, right? So we did that as well. Everyone who got into the worship team goes through the entire foundation course. But I'm just digressing, just for us to understand the importance of the biblical foundations course, right? And then eventually over time, the cell group leader can choose topics in addition to what, to the Sunday sermons that are discussed on the regular cell group meetings. I hope I'm clear. Any questions? Is it clear? Did you understand what I was trying to say? Yeah, Shiv, come on, go ahead. Master, I just want to know that do the every, everyone in the cell group has to come together? As you said, in this refreshing course. Because maybe there are reasons like, you know, in the cell group, there are only one or two person will be the newcomer or one family will be. For that one reason, all the family has to come. Or do we have anything like that? You are actually, we are trying to find out in every cell group that how many newcomers are there and then you are joining together and doing something like that. Yeah, I understood your question. Now, Srikumar, to answer your question. See what we normally say is everyone can join. Right? So they may be, as I was saying, there may be two new people, new believers in the, in the life cell group, or two people who have come from a different church and they're part of APC and now they've come into church. There may be two of them and 10 of them are, you know, old-timers. They're happy with the cell group. They've been coming to the cell group for the past maybe three, four years. They're happy. Now, as a cell group leader, what I would personally do is I would say all 12 of them, let's meet together. Why? Because we can never say, I know this. Right? Even if they know it, if we know it, right, we can always go back to it. Remember that, you know, God is unlimited, right? And through the same word, through the same scripture, he can talk to us or minister to us in 10 different ways. Right? So we can never say, no. Right? Even now, I read the foundation's book. Right? But when I go back to read it, I don't read it with an attitude of, oh man, I've thought it for the past 10 years. I studied it, you know, for 12, 13, 14 years back. And I thought the course for past 10 years, but I still read it. And every time I read it, there is something that the Lord can minister to me. Right? So to answer your question, Shri Kumar, yes, I would encourage all the cell group, all of them, all the cell group members to attend. Because again, it's just building each other up. And if they have commitments, they feel that, okay, they can't, they're working professionals. It's all right. But you put the option out, hey, all of us can join, all of us can grow together. Yeah. So I hope that answers Shri Kumar. Thank you, Master. Thank you. Yeah. Kennedy. In the event of cell group leaders absent or caught up in personal engagement, how should choose somebody to stand in for you? That's a good, very good question. Now, Kennedy, usually, right? If a life group, what we do at ABC is if a life group leader is busy or feels that he's got commitments, he can't have it this week. He has two options. One option is say, hey, this week we cannot, I'm busy. So is it okay if we can meet the next week? Right? And, you know, some of them may be okay with the time and say, hey, we prepared for this week. What we can do is let them know that, okay, so this week I am not there. But instead of me, you know, you can choose somebody who's matured in the cell group. You can say this person will facilitate the cell group, the life group. He will lead the discussions. And you can also talk to them personally, give them some guidelines, give them some direction on how to do it. And they can have the life group. But then when you choose somebody, make sure you choose somebody who's matured in the Lord, you can also check with your cell group pastor. Check with them, see, I'm traveling or I'm busy. So I'm not able to lead the cell group. But the cell group members are, you know, they want to have the cell group this week. They don't want to postpone it. So can I request this person to facilitate the discussion? If the cell group pastor's available, you can also request him to, you know, be there for the cell group, so that, you know, just to be there, let his presence be there. If not, you can just appoint somebody, somebody who's matured in the Lord and request them to lead the cell group. And then this would be a good learning opportunity actually, Kennedy, because what happens is you can always go back and ask him for feedback, talk to him. You know, he can discuss, you know, you can say, hey, how did the discussion go? Were you able to get some important points out? What were the, how are the discussions stirred? And, you know, were there places that you felt you had to improve? Were there places that you did well? Then you can also talk to the live group members and say, how is it? So basically you're just, it's not like, oh, I'm not there this week. So I, you know, you all do what you want and I'll meet you next week. Now that's not how it is. You're still involved. You say, hey, you know, you, I love what Paul says in the last letter to, you know, to Timothy. He says, Timothy, you fight the good fight of faith, right? You have to do things all across this, you know, the entire, all his, during his time of ministry. He was, you know, he was a small boy, Timothy, 17 or years old, but he has raised him up to such a level that he says, Timothy, you're a son of God, you have the same spirit that I have. We both have the same spirit. That's what he says, right? So it's a good learning opportunity as well, right? And finally you can see, hey, this person can, you know, go on to become a good leader and, sorry, excuse me. So yes, you can choose somebody. Now, one of the things that happened many, many years back to me was, you know, there was this, there was a need for a worship leader. And so I had already auditioned for the worship as a worship leader. I went through the auditions many years back and there was a sudden need, right? So this opportunity came and they said, can you go and, you know, lead worship in Hindi? I'd be focusing on a few Hindi churches and Hindi ministry. I said, see, I can lead the songs, but I cannot, you know, in between, I cannot exhort and talk in Hindi. But I could lead songs. And that door, right, just that opportunity opened up so many opportunities for me. Now, I'm not a Hindi speaking person, but over time, you know, I got to travel to so many places in North India leading worship in Hindi. Now, they were very good, you know, even in North India, there were many of them who would lead worship and they were very good at Hindi and all of that. But this one opportunity opened a big door, right, where I traveled. I think even Kishan would know, we came to Varanasi many, many years back and we led, we had like six hours of worship. I think it was 20, I think it was 2012, 2012 or 2013, six hours of worship, right, worship and prayer, worship and prayer. Now, we were all English speaking people, right, but it was very, it was hard, but then it was a door that opened for us. So three or four hours of Hindi songs. And so we had to learn up Hindi songs. We had to, you know, we had those lyrics, then we went on the internet, we looked at, hey, there are English worship songs that have been translated, you know, contemporary worship songs that have been translated to Hindi. We can sing those. And I remember the church would come and the people in, you know, these cities and towns, nothing did they come and ask how, what song is that? And we began to share the lyrics with them, share the, you know, the videos with them, and they learned it, right. So basically what I'm trying to say is, Kennedy, these, these little doors that God opens, you can always, you know, encourage others and that door can be, can lead them to their calling. Right. So this is an encouragement. Right. Any other question? All right. So let's look at step two. Yeah, we just discussed on that as well, the pastor's teachings on Sunday messages. So you, that is your main topic that you have to talk about. But in between, you can have these BFC studies, biblical foundation courses. Right. Then you have special topics. Now, we don't want to become a cell group that is program oriented. Right. This is how we do it. I mean, structure is good. Rules are good. Right. Guidelines are good. But sometimes God can, you know, really take us out of those guidelines and rules. So there we remain flexible. Right. So for example, you're, this is just example, right. So you're leading the worship and the cell group and you feel that you need to continue with worship. There's something happening. Right. You know, the Holy Spirit is leading the entire group to just, you know, soak in his presence. So can that, you know, the glory of God, the presence of God. And it's happened many a times. And it's 20 minutes. It's half an hour. It's 45 minutes. Now as a cell group leader, don't be rigid. Don't say, okay, let's stop. Let's stop everyone. Okay, stop. Go back, sit to your seats. And let's go back to our discussions. What are we doing? We're stopping, we're hindering the work of the Holy Spirit. Right. So here we are to remain flexible. Now there will be times also where a cell group leader would want to discuss some important topics. Right. Apart from the Sunday sermon. So they do have the freedom to, you know, talk about those topics. And at APC, we're very, very careful what is being taught and what is being preached. So one of the things we do tell them is you can discuss your Sunday sermons. Then you can share about the topic that you are interested to share on. But you know, you need to send us this notes, what you're talking about. Right. That's the notes and probably also send us water discussion topics. Now, why are we doing this? It's not like we are like, you know, legalistic. Hey, you can't ship. No, we got all this in place because we learned that it's always good to have this because we never had it before. And people, you know, say, for example, somebody will come up and begin to teach saying, you know, there is no rapture or there is the Holy Spirit stop working in the work of acts. Now there'll be two new believers sitting there saying, oh, the Holy Spirit. So why am I praying for the Holy Spirit them? Because he stopped working in the book of acts. There's no rapture. Then, oh, then what do I do now? But, you know, this other person said there's a rapture because the Bible was talking about that in Thessalonians. What's happening is confusion. Why? Because one wrong teaching. Can completely alter. Right. It can affect the entire group. So that is why, especially not teaching. It's good. It's okay when we are, you know, in APC, one of the things we do is it's okay to make mistakes, right? Practical mistakes in our speaking or just genuine mistakes we do make. But when it comes to our teaching material, we try to always make sure that we are in line with the word of God. Right. So that's why we ask them to, now some of them may take it the wrong way. Some of them may say, hey, what? You don't trust me. Some of them may say, you know, say, okay, sure. I'll send it to you. You can. But you need to learn how to handle those who say, you know, what is this? You don't trust me. I've been a cell group leader for 10 years. It's okay. You ask them for the material. Ask them, what are you discussing about? Why? Because you're thinking of those 12 people who are going to listen to what this person is going to say. Right. So it's not wrong. It's not wrong at all. Right. Now, ministering to cell group members between the meetings. We talked about this briefly, but let's just look at these few points. Take efforts to contact, meaning call, email, visit them during the week. Encourage them. Work with them on a personal level. Make sure that all 12 are being cared for. Pay special attention. This is very important. Pay special attention to those who are going through difficult times and going through crisis. So there'll be people who are maybe suicidal, who are going through depression, people who have lost their job, a couple going through a challenging time, or a couple really praying for their children. So there's so much that is happening. Right. So pay a little bit more attention to them. Right. Now, it's not like you're always behind them and asking, what happened? Is everything okay? No. One is you can have that additional time and your prayer time to just remember them in prayer. Two is just, you know, just a call in between. Hey, I know you're going through a difficult time. I know it's difficult. You're thinking about, you know, your children are thinking about the job. If you can help them practically go ahead and do that. But just being a moral support to them. Right. And that really, you know, people will remember that they may, you know, move on to another church or they move on to another country. But people will remember. A lot of our folks from APC have moved on to different countries. And they still remember. Hey, this is what happened in the life group once. This is what happened at church once. You know, they remember people and what is surprising is there are people who have moved on to different countries and they're still, you know, in touch with our church members. It has been five, six years. They still in touch WhatsApp and they meet via zoom. It was amazing. Wow. How did that happen? And why is it that, you know, they are in the US or they're in the UK, different countries. They still log into some of our prayer times. They still log into some of our conferences. Why? Because there's something that happened on a personal level. Right. And that they will not forget. Right. So be with them during those difficult times. Develop a family. Again, making disciples. Don't be afraid to talk about issues that people are going through drinking habits, smoking. Negligence of family. Right. And there are many, many, right. There will be people who are suicidal, addicted to pornography, addicted to all kinds of things like gaming. Right. So don't be afraid to talk about those issues. Right. As a leader, you can talk about them. You know, different people go through different problems. Now, we don't have to say, oh, let's not talk about pornography. It's very bad. And, you know, what if others hear that word? No, it's a real challenge that people are going through. And it has to be dealt with. Right. Just on Sunday, there was this couple that came up to me and said, you know, my son who he was, he's an, I think he was an 11 standard. And the mother says, I saw his phone. There's a lot of, you know, things that are there on his phone. I was very surprised as, you know, I don't know what to do. She was very worried. No, it's a genuine, genuine fear for a parent. But what do we do? We need to deal with this situation very carefully. So, you know, she told me, how will you put it across to him? He's not going to share it with you because it's a sensitive topic. Right. So I said, is it okay if I just talk to him and she said, yeah, fine. You can, you can. So I just spoke to him. Said, hey, we all go through problems. So do you want to share something? Is there something that's in your life? And he just began to share. It may not happen every time, but he began to share. Right. And I said, it's all right. Drinking and smoking and pornography are both a sin. Sin is sin. So that's what I explained to him. It's innocent. It's not like pornography is a greater sin. And then, you know, drinking and smoking is just like small sin. No. Black is black. White is white. Sin is sin. And I began to talk to him. I said, nothing wrong. All you need to do is you need help to get out of it. Right. And we can work together. So don't be afraid to talk about these issues. Meeting the needs of people within the cell group, wherever possible, try to meet needs. Right. Counseling. Sometimes, you know, cell group leaders will need that additional counseling. You can do as much as you can when you feel that things are beyond your hand to, you know, to look after. You can always inform a cell pastor immediately. And we have something called as chrysalis counseling where we have trained counselors who can counsel and show, you know, gene as well. So we have a team of about three, four trained counselors and they will be able to, you know, over time work with them. Right. So remember, you are a cell group leader or a pastor and you're probably a working professional. Now you may not have the time to work with them. Every week or every two weeks. Right. Because these are issues that have happened and you just need time. It's not going to solve the problem in 10 minutes of talking to them. They won't, they need time. They need two hours in one sitting. So you may not have those times. Always don't feel guilty. You can just lead them to the counselors. Again, handling conflicts, issues and problems. Get them together. Right. Never try to resolve conflicts behind each other's back. Never do that because this person may say something. The other person may something. Get them together. Discuss and solve the problem. No, he said this. So that's why then the other person said this. Get them together. Solve the problem and move on. Right. Now this is a very, very important point here. And this is something that we, especially in it. I think I wouldn't say only in India, but I think this should be applied everywhere around the world. Right. In terms of ministry. Mentors and prodigies should be of the same sex. Right. Now as a pastor, you may be a male pastor. Or a male cell group leader. You may lead maybe a youth girl or a couple to Christ. Wonderful. Now, if the woman says or the girl says, can you, can I meet you and get to know more about Christ, more about Jesus, more about how I can, you know, build myself up? What is the first response you should have? First response should be, hey, I will lead you to somebody who can help you. Yes, I am the pastor of the church. I am the leader of the cell group. But I will lead you to somebody, maybe another lady or another matured woman who can help you. Now there will be times they have specific questions for you. Make sure you're there in a public setting to answer those questions. You're not meeting one-on-one and there's no one-on-one interaction for too long. Right. Now, why do we say this? Because we need to be careful. You know, the Bible says, you know, don't think you're standing because less the enemy come and we fall. Right. Now, is it a good idea? You know, somebody's come to the Lord. Wonderful. It's a rejoicing in heaven. But God has also given us a mind. Now we may feel as a leader, oh, I want to equip this person and she should become the next, you know, great evangelist or great leader. Now, as a married man or as a male pastor, male life group leader, cell group leader, the thing you do is you lead them to the person of the same sex. Now in church, for example, or for example, in a cell group meeting, you have 12 people and this youth comes and says, I have this question. Make sure that you're there front of everybody. People are there around. You can, you know, talk to them. You know, you don't have to be fearful of them. You can talk to them. Be free. Right. But be aware of what is happening. Right. Why? Because we've seen many, many great leaders fall. Right. In this area. So we need to be careful. Right. So mentoring in APC is always male and male female and female same sex. Right. But they can be of different ages. They can be a 50 year old mentoring or 20 year old or a, or a, you know, or a early 40s, a, you know, matured couple mentoring a young couple. Right. That way it could be done, but not, you know, mentors and prodigies should not be of the same sex. So that's something that we avoid. All right. So let's take a break. We'll come back at 10 o'clock and we will continue with this. There's a question from Kennedy as a cell group leader, how do you set open closed or funnel questions when having a discussion? Okay. So first thing I do is Kennedy. So we also encourage our cell group leaders is, is the question in line with what we're discussing? For example, we're discussing plans, purposes of God. Right. And that is why in our sermon in our life group leaders training material, we have put the questions. Right. The questions that they can discuss. Now if you're discussing plans, purposes and, you know, God's vision for our life, suddenly a question may come. When is the Antichrist coming? Right. Now the Antichrist will come when he has to come, but that is not in line with the question here. The question here is, how do I fulfill my purpose of vision that God has for me? Somebody else may ask a question. You know, I heard that, you know, the Antichrist has already come. What do you think about that? It's a genuine question from the Bible, but not in line with what was discussing. So first thing is, I will cut off that question. I will tell that person. Hey, it's not in line very, you know, very maturedly, but very lovingly. I would say it's not in line with the discussion that we have now, but I'm free after the cell group to talk to you and answer that question. And we can do it personally. That's the first thing I do. And so sometimes the questions may be, you know, there will be people who will ask three, four questions at one time. And so again, you can tell them, hey, since we have a smaller setting, you know, what you can do is ask one question so that everyone gets an opportunity to ask a question. And at the end, after the cell group, if you feel that if we have time, you can always ask the question. Second option, you can email the questions to us. We will, you know, you know, email you all the answers that we can get, do our best to answer those questions. That's the second option, right? First thing is make sure that those questions are in line. Now, it's not wrong to ask questions from the Bible that is, but it's just that we need the wisdom, right? Okay, we're talking about this, so we ask questions. So, so if somebody is saying we're talking about vision, purpose and all of that, and somebody asks a question, you know, how do I know when can I step out from what I'm doing right now. That is in line with, you can answer it. Some random question that is not in line, or people may have, you know, not only questions, but people may have points of discussion, which is, again, not in line. Lovingly stop them, lovingly correct them, lovingly leave them. Do it lovingly. Never review or mock them. Do it lovingly, and I'm sure they will understand. All right, let's take a break. We'll come back at 10 o'clock and we'll continue from where we stop.