 Well, some of Cunning's best horses and riders cussled it out for the Open Classic Challenge Championship at the 2018 Summer Spectacular. I'm with the man of the moment, James Cain, who scored a massive 2-29. Congratulations to you and how does it feel to score a run like that? Really good, but had before I start, I gotta thank Nadine because last time I did an interview, I didn't thank her and they've been like giving me shit about it. So, my wife Nadine, I appreciate it. Okay, I'm sure you'll get rewarded when you get home. Now, tell us about your run tonight. Give us a play-by-play because it was such a great run. Tell us about, you know, what you talk about with your help, how each cow felt, that kind of thing. Well, in the first, I was in the first launch too and I cut too much cow and so it kind of, I wasn't real sure where to go with it and stuff like that. So, I wanted to kind of cut something in between too soft and not being able to mark something and being too risky to where it took me out. And so, I feel like that, you know, like John and Josh were great in helping me find cows and we cut what we wanted to cut, even the third cow that we chipped. It was something we talked about and we kind of needed to be funny and stuff. Well, and it really felt like it built each cow, the crowds, momentum, they got really into it. And by that third cow, they were going, wow, it was almost tangible. Does it lift you up? How does it feel? What do you experience? Just a big adrenaline rush. It's really cool. Does it make a difference to your showing? Does it help or does it, your sewing zone? Yeah, it gets you kind of kicked in a little harder. Just hope you don't mess it up. So, tell me, now this is the third time you've won in here in this pan. That's extraordinary. What's your trick? What's the skill here? What's the secret with this particular event? I guess it just takes me this long to get them where I can win on them. I got Serena Doola, she was six whenever I won Derby on her. And then once my boon was six and this one was six, I would like to, there's been several times I thought I could have won another event on him and just little stuff happened, little bubbles here and it was just meant to be here. I felt like I took a big risk cutting, chipping my third cow with 30 seconds and it was a risky cow and it paid off. So it bit me in the rear and when I get it, went home power and so it worked. Now, there was no semi-final for this event this year. In fact, you had to kind of get really a couple of 219s, which is pretty tough to progress. What's your thoughts on that? Does it add some pressure or is that just competition? I think it's just competition. I mean, I think it's the way it should be. Okay. Now, your horse, PG, heavily armed. How long have you had this horse? I've had him probably since the fall of his two-year-old year, I believe. So, 160,000, the horse is one. Five or six-year-old? He's six. Tell us what this horse has been like to train, how this horse has developed. Like to me, he's a typical clay gun and I've rode a lot of clay guns and I like clay guns. They're very strong, physical. They usually get better the longer they walk, the older they get, the more maturity. He's always been really physical, stopped hard, moved hard, tried his guts out every time. If anything, as a young horse, he might be just too big of a move. But as he's gotten older, he's gotten smarter and just turned into a true blue cowl horse that you can kind of go over the tough cowling. Now, you did have another horse tonight in the first scent. It didn't work out. What's your strategy in that sense when you've got a second horse to just lay it all out there? Well, like me and Josh Towns and we set up a pop after I went and kind of watched what cows are being good at trying to get a feel for the cows. Because I think the cows are a little different feel, had a little different feel to them tonight and they're just trying to make sure we kept good cows. So on that, why do you think they feel differently? Do you think the temperatures come into play when it's 110 outside? Does that make a difference? Yes, I think so. I mean, I think the heat and just a little bit of the noise and excitement and everything like that, it kind of makes me get a little lively or a little testier, maybe a little harder to get a little better. And also, it would have to be a challenge for getting your horse ready. I mean, they're athletes, but they're standing out in that heat for most of the day. How do you make sure that they've got everything to give when it comes to showing? Well, I mean, just try to make sure, kind of keep them cool, rinse them off, take care of them. Just a normal horsemanship. And what have you got for the derby? I've got the two horses. I've got a, I did guard this cat smart gilding for Kathleen Moore that I made the Super Six finals on. And I've got a cat team master's in America, John Johnson. Well, good luck with that and congratulations for tonight. Oh, thank you. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Plenty more cutting tomorrow and of course another final of the non-pro classic challenge. Make sure you're watching the webcast tomorrow. It's all mine. Good night.