 Hello, everyone, and welcome back to enter the ether of the podcast all about the upcoming third person mobile ethereal clash of souls. I'm your host, the Magus joining me as always is the tinfoil Titan, the Conquistador of conspiracies, the Sultan of Secrets, the Duke of Datamining himself. It's jelly knees. How you doing, Jelly? Look, I had to like hype myself up there. Oh, my God, you should have been off camera and then you should have charged on like a right. I mean, I have my tinfoil hats right here behind me. So, you know, easily could have just tossed one of those on. Oh, right. Oh, Jelly has been been digging hard for some secrets and haven't found any. No, but you've been trolled twice by UG. So that's always fun. Have you told anybody about what happened with that? So the first time, so I don't think everybody knows the first time they changed their website to include that. If you click a certain section of it, it takes you to Rick Astley's never going to give you up. Love it. Love getting Rick rolled in 2020. It's fine. So then the second thing I was doing was looking for secrets. And I found a page called Overseer Details or something. And yeah, and so I'm like, OK, sure. And I figured going in, I was like, there's no way this is what this is because like that's a weird find to suddenly have. And I click on it and it's just binary code the whole page. So naturally I translate it. And what is it? The lyrics to Rick Astley is never going to give you up. Why would I expect any different? I am so impressed by that. But by you and your and your efforts to find stuff like this and by undying for Rick rolling you twice. In the same week, no less, like it wasn't even. It was practically back to back. Like it just took me to another level. That is so amazing. I love it so much. Oh, my goodness. OK, for this week, they did have another theory of fun facts. And it was skin related. And we saw a new skin for Grognark along with that fun fact. And it's something we talked about before. They do plan for every myth in the alpha to have a tier one skin and something that we've also discussed before, maybe not on this show. But Jelly and I have talked about it and it's been on other videos is they want all of their tier one skins to be transformative, no recolors. And we've seen a lot of evidence that they are following through with that. So you're not just getting a painted based model car here. They're putting a spoiler and rims on that ship whenever you invest your time or money into a tier one skin. And we see evidence with that with this Grognark skin where he's kind of a foresty sort of thing. The guys in this court both caught him, Grootnark and Grognark, which both of them are hilarious. I heard Grognark, I did not hear Grognark. That's incredible. Grognark was the day and it cracked me up so bad. Skin looks so good, though. Like it looks natural. Like it wasn't it didn't seem forced. Like they were just throwing things on top of his base skin. It looked like it was a redesign, which was really, really cool to see. Yeah, it was very nice. That's one of the few we've seen. We've also seen the cyberpunk Malaya. And that one was very transformative. Have we seen the concept art for the wallpaper? Just the wallpaper. But that was from that was like a finished model. Oh, OK, I didn't realize that. I thought that was what I've been told. What I've been told. And then, yeah, then the other tier one skin for Malaya was one that I wanted. But it was they came up with it before I even suggested it was a keypaw, the traditional Chinese dress, I think would look really good on Malaya. And that was one of the concepts that people voted for. But cyberpunk Malaya won that vote. I'm as sad as a Trump supporter right now because we didn't get the keypaw skin. And then we also saw some some skins for Nikolai, which was like a steampunk Nikolai. And then there was something else. I think it was just like a rock and roll Nikolai or something like that. I remember the steampunk. I don't I know there was another one, and I can't even remember what it was. Yeah, I don't either, because the steampunk one was so fucking cool. Like, why would you even look at the other one? If I memory, because serves me correctly. The thing is, I'm going to be putting these pictures up, like above us in like the finished product of this. So people would be like, well, why aren't you just looking at it? Because I can't see you right now. Look up. We'll just look up. Oh, yeah, yeah, that one. Yeah, I totally remember that one. So the skin that they've never talked about, but they did. It wasn't even officially a skin concept, but I want it now. Is the 4th of July picture they did for Dante, where he's holding like a spatula and he's like grilling on the side. I want like a 4th of July dad Dante skin so bad right now. His condiments. It'll be ketchup and mustard that he's, I'm so down for this. That would be one par with summer fun twin blasts for me. I love that skin for Perrigo on the summer fun twin blasts of the squirt guns. If you squirt and ketchup and mustard, though, that'd be. That would be amazing. So that that's what we're going to be talking about today. We're going to go through. We're going to talk about their base skin and kind of rank them in order of how good they look. Of how good they look. I love all the appearance of all of the myths for ethereal, but I like some more than others, so I can't very well give them all five stars. How do you want to rank them? You want to use a star system? Jelly you want to go with? Yeah. Star system to five stars, five stars. That'll work for me. And then we'll also talk about any ideas we may have for skins that can work. And of course, of course, down in the comments, if you guys can list skin ideas that you that you have, I'm sure you have some very creative and fun ones. And we can talk about them there. No, we don't want to hear your ideas. It's our way or the highway. Get out of here. Whatever we say goes, if we say we want the skin, it gets made and not yours. Yeah. And we get the 10 percent cut, Eugene, just so you know. And this time, thankfully, I made an alphabetical list of all the myths so we don't leave. You know, I'm sorry, Marina fans. I still feel terrible about that. Sorry, Dr. Grace fans still feel terrible about that. Blame him. It had nothing to do with me. I totally remembered and he told me, no, we can't talk about jelly. I actually talked about them in that episode and I cut that out. I was like, I didn't remember neither did you, jelly. It's never my fault. So let's get it off with our go ahead, jelly. Go ahead. Acheron, which we figured out is pronounced Acheron during the event extra life event. Oh, did we? I didn't hear that. Yeah. So I was talking to them and I said Acheron and they said Acheron. I was like, oh, good to know. I had no idea the town in Ohio. OK. Sure. I thought it was the Acheron as well. Yep, apparently not. Apparently we're both wrong. I don't know. But so we have a skin I think looks incredible. Yeah, it's really good that it's the fire sword. However, that works, the sword that's it's lit on the end or it's magma on the end or it's hot on the end. It's going to be all those YouTube videos, 10,000 degree sword, right? Like, yeah. One of his abilities isn't called like 10,000 degree blade. I'm going to be very sad. Cutting through Coke bottles. For no reason, but he does have a really cool skin. I'm hoping there's a story behind why his eyes are blocked off, because it does look like he would be blind. Yeah, there's no mention of that anywhere. We haven't heard his voice lines yet, have we? I don't think so. No, I think he's one of the ones. A bit of a mystery does that we don't have at this time. You're right. I've never noticed that that he's technically blind. With the way his visor is. Well, those are sunglasses. And his armor reminds me of like a like a dragon scale. Ask armor that it's the very plating that's curved and has the the points at the end. Just just that overall feeling. And he's got the magma sword or whatever you want to call it. And one of his backgrounds has him in a very lava esk setting. So I wonder if he, similar to Iran, is in that kind of hellscape where he's from or if he's just or if there's some other story behind him that we just don't know yet. He might be from Craxis. Craxis, thank you. Yeah, his skin, though. Well, comparing it to the other heroes, I'm just going to give it three stars. I'm going to give three stars, which, like I said, I think it looks great, but call it a three star skin because we just don't know much about him. We can't really say I would agree. I would probably say three stars, three and a half stars right there. It's fairly safe and in my mind and kind of revealing for the future. But it's very similar to kind of Talos's design. It's a very simple, generic, plating kind of look. Yeah. And I have zero idea for skins for him because I don't really know anything about his personality. Yep. No, I mean, you could easily do some kind of like summer skin, probably for him. I feel like summer skins are the easiest skins to do because you can change their aesthetic to be whatever you want. If they could do like an 80s or 90s skins for all of them, I would be so pumped. That'd be rad. Make the make that visor across his head, like the fucking 90s neon orange or hot pink sunglasses. Like the vice aesthetic with the Miami vice aesthetic. Yeah. Yes. Percent. Let's let's get all those. I would. Absolutely love that. Let's move on, though, to Iran. We know we do know a lot about Iran, evil bastard. Very, very evil. His let's get his base skin ranking right out the door. What what do you think, Jelly for Iran? Weirdly enough, I feel like I need to put this at like a two, two and a half star. Really? OK. And to me, it's just based on what we know about him. It just kind of feels like we know he was a creation of these other things. It feels like he's just kind of. Generic doesn't seem like the right word to use, but but just a very similar aesthetic to Grognark for one thing. Yes, it feels like they could have done a lot more with his design look wise to fit his background a lot more, make him look more put together, make him look more whatever you want to call it. But something like that. What about you? What are you thinking? Yeah, I'm not going to go any higher than three stars for Iran. Kind of the same reason he looks to same, same to Grognark. So it's like a rock guy, which again, please don't think that we're just shitting on huge designs here. We love all of them, but like I said, some are better than others. And I don't think Iran is as good as some of the other myths out there. Yep, I would agree with that. And I would like to see some sort of like more demonic skin for him, like more, I guess, human demonic like. Like the goat legs and hooves with a with a torso of a man and like some like some horns coming out of his head still. Kind of like seem look like Illidan from World of Warcraft. That's I think I don't want to look like Phil from Hercules. Little stubby Seder guy running around. Yeah, I wanted to look like a Seder. Yeah, no, that could be really cool. The I like that devil aesthetic for him. You could easily do like lava skins. You could easily do. I mean, there's a whole bunch of avenues. I feel like you can go through and I feel like partly then this probably ties into that they look the same generically is that Grognarch and Iran could have very similar skin lines because I feel like you could make the same changes to them and have it work via their theming thematic the whole nine yards. The magma rampage skin would look. Oh, yeah, I can dope on Iran. That'd be sweet. And next up, we got Dante. Dante's another one that's going to be controversial again. I'm not going. I'm not going any higher than three stars on Dante. He looks too much like the hunter from Destiny, too, I think, so to really give him much higher than three stars for me personally, I don't think I don't think he was based on the hunter from Destiny, too. But that definitely crept into somebody that was definitely in the back of somebody's mind when they were designing the hot over like you watch a Dante look like. Yeah, I could see that for sure. I personally, I'm going to go four stars for Dante because I think OK, the intricacies of his armor are really it's not just like a solid plating that they did or just reshades or anything like that. Like there's actual intricacies in there. He's got the little pad on his wrist that he can use. I think they they the aesthetic of his armor here, they they clearly went into detail and work on of like what this should look like and what they wanted more so than like Iran, who's just kind of a rock creature. And we have seen from actually playing Dante how his skin functions and like his robe flowed so well and the light interacted with everything on his on his armor so well. So we know these skins are going to look fantastic in game for sure. And I'm curious what skin he's going to have in the pre alpha because I don't know what you could do in that regard in order to. Like for a different theming of skins, he's kind of got that cyber look already, right? And I doubt they're going to repeat skin lines so that like the whole cyberpunk esque areas out steampunk Nikolai is doing. So unless they're doing unless they're going all like cyberpunk, steampunk esque for these first seven skins, I have no idea where they could go with a first skin for him. Well, I mean, you already suggested it, the fourth of July skin. Yes. OK, if that's a thing, I'll be so happy. Please, I realize it's not that time of year anymore. But please, I like to see some sort of Western Western skin for him with two, two, six shooters. You could like I said before, you can use a summer skin. That's an easy one you could go for a Western speaking to really cool. You know, summer skins. This guy's already got his summer skin on. Axial. Is it is it Axial or Axial? I don't know. I've always said Axial. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I should have asked them about that, too, since Acheron is the way you say that. So what would you give Axial is his base skin? Probably not enough to appease the Axial fanboys out there. Really? To me, he's your stereotypical edge lord. Yeah, that's his design. That's his and the hair sticking, sticking up in the front. That's right. The no shirt. He's got a single pauldron on the side. Like to me, that's that's very stereotypical edge lord. And I feel like we could have seen more on him. That kind of would hint at the fact that he's got the separate entity in him in some way, whether that be some kind of like corruption on his skin or something like that, something to just kind of give him that little bit of like, what is that and how does that tie into everything? If I'm remembering correctly, his eyes are different colors. I believe they are. Yes, they are. I just pulled up an image. They are indeed one's blue and one's kind of a hazel color. I don't know. I I give him a four. I'm going to give him a solid four. Shout out to you, G, for we always we us straight dudes always get our eye candy. They gave they gave gay dudes and women a little bit of eye candy with Exile, with his what Mr. Abman McSix pack, as I've called him in the past. And I shout out to them for that. I think it's I think it looks good. I think it's great, great skin. The the faux hawk could probably be done turned into something else. That's my idea for skin for Dante as a guy. If he airy skin, just just frost them tips and put some sunglasses on the back of his head. Perfect. Welcome to Flavortown. If you can say that when he kills him, welcome to Flavortown, bitch. Incredible. All right. People shit on the air. He's a good dude. Oh, absolutely. Next up, we got Dr. Grace. Mm hmm. What are you? What are your thoughts on her? Her design. Hmm. I give her three stars. I think she looks really good. Might bumper up to four stars because she has a mech. As far as like, I've seen a lot of people say that she looks too much like Bellica from Paragon or Decker from Paragon. The thing is, how else are you going to do futuristic soldier girl? You know what I mean? But again, how else are you going to do futuristic futuristic soldier girl? They could have done her different and, you know, come up with a different idea for for how she should look. So for that, I'm not going to go any higher than three stars for Grace. Maybe four stars with that mech. That mech does look pretty cool. Yeah, that's that that that that that's my rating. What about you, Jelly? I'm with you three stars on Grace for the same reasons. Right. It's the kind of same samey of all the other futuristic soldier girls, like basically exactly what you said. And I don't fault them for that necessarily, but there's just not a ton of options to go for. I think futuristic in general is fairly limiting because everyone has a similar idea of what futuristic looks like outside of the like cyberpunk steampunk granted steampunks past. But that's not the point. But that kind of style is very similar and it's going to be hard to shake that feeling from anybody. Right. Um, I don't know about Skins for Grace. I'd like to see like a more stripped down version, like like an energy sort of cat suit sort of thing for instead of the armor and not just being a perverted male, but I think that would just look cool and it would be a little different. Yeah, kind of like like energized Decker skin. Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah. No, I could see that. Yeah, that makes way more sense to me now. Well, I'll be energy. Cassie really gets across my message. See how this works here. Oh, it looks like Halle Berry and Catwoman. That's what I want. All right. You got it. Yeah, let's go forward to. Yeah, Grognark. We've already seen his alternate skin there. Um, Grognark. I mean, like, like I said, he's kind of same samey with Iran, but for some reason I like him better. Same. I'm going to give Grognark four stars. And I think part of it is because, for instance, you have the one image of Grognark like coming out of the sands, like mountain size compared to the people in front of him. And that image, I think, is what I think of when I think of Grognark, right? That that Mount basically mountain of a creature. The the gray there. Sorry, the gray, the sand color on him kind of matching that aesthetic. I think it just I think thematically just feels better. And I think that's why we like Grognark's design better at the same time. Um, everything I've seen. Very cool looking. Yeah. I've loved so far. And even that skin, the Grogbark, which I will forever call it now because that's incredible. Um, that skin looks incredible. And it looks, it looks like that could have been a base skin. And I wouldn't know the difference. If I didn't know who Grognark was, I would have a hard time saying like, this is the base skin versus that versus regular one. It still just fits him. That's what he's all about, like nature and everything. Absolutely. Very, very good. Good, good alternate skin for him. He's the war axe of the sand. What did you get? What did you give him four stars? Four stars. I'll give him four stars. Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. And skin ideas. You guys get ideas for all. So I have a throwback skin idea that just sounds like a funny idea. Um, a while back, I don't remember if it was Owen or Luke or somebody talked about making like a Easter Bunny Grognark skin. And I think that is the greatest thing. Just, I'll take it as an April Fool's skin. That's fine for me. Like, but I would love to see Grognark in like a very tight Easter Bunny outfit trying to walk around. I think it'd be incredible. His ears flopping around as he's attacking. I thought you'd see a pangolin skin for him. I've always thought he looked like a bit like a pangolin. And then another one that we don't know a whole hell of a lot about. I think he looks good though. I think he embodies like a tribal chieftain really well, like sort of a Polynesian vibe to him. Yeah, I really like all the details on his mask. I'm going to give a Kyke a four out of five as well. I would give a Kyke like a four and a half star out of five for sure. I think he fits his aesthetic very well. I think he looks really good. And I think just overall there's a lot of ways you could have done this wrong that they didn't that it felt overly forced. And I feel like this is a really natural look for him without going too far. What about any skin ideas? Yeah, I got nothing for a Kyke again. It's hard to come up with skin ideas if you know nothing about the myth. I feel like you could mold him to fit different tribal cultures and do skins like that. Again, you'd have to be very careful without being insensitive to any of those cultures at the same time. Right. But I feel like that's a good avenue that you could go down. I don't think you could. Those could be like any higher than tier one skins necessarily because I'm not sure what you could do enough of. But I also thought of you could do like an undead Kyke skin. Ooh, that'd be cool. Whether you do like full like zombie-esque or you could do like Dia de los Muertos pipe. Ooh, yes. I think that could be a really cool skin aesthetic for him. Oh, that would be badass. I was just thinking like a Jason mask would be cool on him, but that's way better. That is way better. I like that. What's our next one? All right. So next up, we have Kalia. Everyone's favorite Nico Nico knee. Yeah. Um, go ahead. I think her design is very interesting. It's the first. Usually when we see the like the kitsune type character, you see them just with the tail that they have all human features and then just the tail. And here they have her with the from the elbow up and from the knee down. She's got those the pause. I think that's a really cool choice to make. Yes. Um, that just it offers a little bit more information outside of just the tail and it also takes her away from being same samey as other kitsune characters and other mobas because almost every single one has one at this point. What are your thoughts? Five stars all day long. Yeah, I completely agree. Um, just. I'm rarely a fan of when they put more clothes on somebody, but like her old skin concept was kind of eh, like we saw like the sort of anime version of her and she had barely anything on her. Their decision to actually put a lot more clothes on her. I think. Really brought it home and benefited her and pulled her character together and it looks really, really good. Um, there's a lot of great detail. Just like you said, with a with her forearms and her lower legs being Fox like and then her little tufts of ears sticking up just great all around. Calia is one of, by far, one of my favorite skins of the or one of my favorite aesthetic looks of any of the myths. Yeah. And I was going to, I was going to say, um, a bunny Calia, but I guess that's going to grog darts. You can do a bunny skin for Calia. What about you? You got any ideas for Calia for skins? I don't have any others that that wouldn't be just straight plagiarism from other Katsune skins in other MOBAs. Like that's, yeah, I feel like they have covered the gambit in a lot of ways of bunny skin would be great. Um, I feel like you could do one for almost any holiday for her actually. Yeah. You could easily do like a summer skin. You could easily do Valentine's. You could easily do winter, all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I think you, I think you could go almost any route with her and it would work out. She's kind of a playful little girl. I think I like a creepy doll skin would be. I'm still head canning that Calia is a mass murderer and we just don't know it yet. Creepy doll still fits with that. All right. So next up is Leah. Apparently. Is that your skin idea? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Actually now it is now that you mentioned it a hundred percent. We need a parrot skin for Leah. She's just a giant parrot. She just walk. It flies around squawking at everybody throughout the entire game. Um, I think her design aesthetic is incredible. Similar to a guy. Yes. I think they did a really good job. I think the wings changing colors looks really nice. Um, I think they did a really good job. I think the wings changing colors looks really nice. Um, again, for me, this is probably five stars out of five. For skin ideas, I feel like you could go the same way with the Kaika and do other cultures. You don't have to have to stick with the tribal theme because that's not how she is necessarily, but you could easily do. Like nature deities of any kind or anything like that. I think she could fit their aesthetic really, really well. I'm also going to give Leah five stars. Definitely. Um, just the, the slight sort of Aztec hints in, uh, of her design and they kind of pull in a little bit of Aztec culture with her various many colored feathers and everything. I think she's just really, really great design. I like that they gave her like a, like a trident sort of thing instead of, um, I don't know. I don't know. That just seems, it seems both out of place, but fitting at the same time. And then that, that sounds like perfection to me. I'll really like that. She has that trident. I think overall it looks incredible. Yeah. I've only skin idea was, and she seems to lend herself to an Egyptian look for some reason. I could see that. Yeah. And then moving on to best girl, Malaya. Um, I'd be surprised by this. I'm going to give her four stars out of five. Okay. Um, Malaya looks great, but they put, uh, the opposite of, uh, Calia, they took her, they put too much clothes on her. Too many clothes. I did like original aesthetic. No, um, for real, some of the stuff that they did put on her doesn't look like it looks like it was put on her. I mean, it looked like it was put on her afterwards. They tried to cover up. Yeah. Like the kind of chain thing that she's got going on. And she's got the high heeled boots. Like who the, what the fuck would she be wearing? That's her passive is that she actually auto attacks with her heels and just stabs people and kicks them. Oh my God. If that's part of our auto attack chain where she's sliced, sliced kick. Oh, that would be great. No, she doesn't use her closet. Purely aesthetic. She only uses her heels. She just blocks with her claws. What would you give Malia's base skin? I would say Malia's probably 3.5 stars for me. I agree with you that, um, some of her stuff looks like it was put on her to cover up the fact that it wasn't that way originally, but I don't think that she's terribly designed either. I think her claws are easily the best part about her. The way that they're designed with the dropping hinge piece from what it looks like, uh, plus the, the garnet gem that we have or whatever it is. That's on the, on the top of them. I think there's a lot of design there. And I feel like the rest of it just kind of came secondary after that. Yeah. Uh, skin ideas. Got any skin ideas from Malia? Uh, not outside the generic ones that you could do. You could probably, I, you could probably do a whole bunch of things with her and it would, it would sell because everybody loves, is going to love Malia. I feel like she's just going to be that like poster child of a theory old type deal. The ones get idea I had was the key pot and they're already doing that. So there you go. I think that cyberpunk one looks incredible. Like I'm beyond. Oh my God. I'm using that for the thumbnail by the way. Perfect. All right. Now we have the one that will haunt my dreams till the end of time. Because of you are malware or boy malware. Yeah. So go ahead. I want to hear your thoughts on malware is design. Five stars all fucking day. Probably my most probably my favorite. Design for a myth. It sucks for me that he's an ADC because I'm probably not going to play malware that much. But oh my God. Does he look incredible? It's like, how do you do? A sentient computer virus that like hacks into organic tissue. I don't know how you do it, but that's they did it. But this is it. Yeah. 100% plastic. It looks so good. And like that. The animated art that really not kind of like background animated art that released for him was. So freaking good and giving him a bow and arrow. Like what? And it's like is his arm is the bow and arrow. My. So the thing that I've. Yes. Oh, yes. Always like headcanon with with malware. Is that like it all it's going to fold out. Because he's got the appendages at the end of it. But that it looks like it folds out from his arm when he shoots or something like just looking at his design, which I think is just it's just such a cool aesthetic that they've done overall. And the five stars out of five. No question. You could easily do cyberpunk skins for malware. I think that would go with any kind of technology based skin line. You could easily do malware into that. It would just be punk for malware. He's already cyber something you could also do that would be kind of cool is like it wouldn't fit necessarily thematically, but pre virus malware. What he looked like before he was infected. Yeah. That'd be neat. As like an origin skin of sorts. Yeah. I think that would be the cool idea. But otherwise, yeah, incredible design. Love. I would like to see in an Anubis skin for him. Like. Okay. I don't know what my Egyptian kick is, but I think that would look cool because you already already kind of has the ears. You'd have like the dog snout coming out of the the tattered robes. I think that would be neat. And then up next, we have Marina. Nope. I'm also next. Nope. Oh, yeah. Marina mains. Get out of here. Next up. We have. We have Nicola. No. Malina. Malina. Marina. Five stars. I'm giving her another. I'm giving five stars. I don't think she's up there with. Nowhere, but I still think she looks incredibly good. The way her, her dress is sort of opulence and shimmery. So she just, she looks great. She looks great. Really well designed. A lot of attention paid to her. Jelly. What do you think? I completely agree. I'm not going to go the full five stars, but 4.5 stars for sure. Okay. I feel like they could have. Worked in more like. Oceanic themes than just blue. All right. Like blue and purple is kind of cool. I feel like you could have done something extra with that and made it a little more, but otherwise I think it still looks great. No doubt about that. What about her? My idea. Was a reverse mermaid. Give her a fish head. Keep her human. Keep her human legs. Reverse mermaid. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Keep her human legs. Reverse mermaid. Marina. All right. Yuji. We need Bunny. We need reverse mermaid. Marina. When about you? You got anything? I think she could do like a winter skin. Like a like. In my head, I see like a queen Elsa vibe. That she could do like the full white, like I feel like that could just look really like regal on her. I can see that. Yeah. Yeah, any sort of princess skin. Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah. Her dress, they tried to make it look like a beta fish. I can see that now that you mentioned that I can. That definitely makes some sense. And the coloring makes sense with that as well. Mm hmm. And now we have Nikolai, our favorite little furry pal, Nikolai. However, I can only really I can only really give Nikolai four stars. I don't know. Maybe I just don't like small furry creatures. He looks good. I mean, like I can four stars. I've given other ones three stars. So yeah, no, I probably give him four stars as well. He's very simple and I get when he's that small, it's going to be hard to pack in details that will be actually noticeable to anybody because nobody's going to see them in reality. When you're playing the game, his size is going to be much smaller in comparison to everybody else. I would have loved without it. Like music tied into his design. That's really my only thing that I would have said, put it could have put him at a five. If you would give him in more like music accents, knowing he's so music based than I think it would have been great. But otherwise, it's a really cool design. That's exactly what I was going to say. There's nothing you don't look at Nikolai and think that's a musical hero. Like his steampunk skin, like the concept art for it looked really cool. When I the thing I think of kind of with this is that when I look at this, I kind of want to have an idea of who that person is, right? Or who that character is, what they're what they're going to do, what they're going to use, especially when you think about ethereal design philosophy of what they have they use. I think that's a very important thing you can capture in a image like this that you could be like, OK, this guy. I mean, Marina, she's got a trident. She's going to use that at some point for something, right? Like, that's a very clear design choice, whereas we know he's so music based and don't see any of that here. It's got lines. So any ideas? Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, go. No, no, you go. No, you go ahead. Oh, thanks for skins for Nikolai. You can do any kind of music. You can easily do like a Victorian Nikolai where he's all dressed super proper steampunk. You could easily do. I feel like he's got lots of rock star. I mean, you could you could go any. There's so many different genres of music you could capture each one in a skin. And I think it would be a good I a good way to go that you can actually make a full skin out of. Wait, didn't he wasn't that the other skin other than the steampunk one? He had like a loot, like a. Yes, it was a jester skin and he had a loot. That's what it was. I mean, we remembered that earlier. We looked up and we saw the image, you know, it's fine. Yeah, exactly. You could do a skrillex skin, given the full like half shaved head and just long hair down the one side. Just press the spacebar on a keyboard to do his stuff. Yeah. Noxus. Well, what do you think about Noxus, Jelly? Yes. I like I'm really weirdly on the fence with Noxus that I at the same time feel like her design is incredible. And then at the same time feel like it's very generic, like it's it's a weird. And I think it's just when I look at her from basically torso down, I think it's very generic looking, but it's the the headpiece and the floating like shoulder polygons next to her that I think really capture this different design aesthetic that I am just drawn to, I guess. Yeah. So I would say three and a half stars. OK. I can dig it. I give her four stars, not quite five. I do really like the looks of Noxus. I like that. She does have the covering over her eyes because she is apparently blind, which is kind of cool for somebody that's centered around light so much that she'd be blind. Maybe she was blinded by the light, let up like a deuce, another runner in the night. But I knew you were going to do it, too. Yeah, I think I think she looks really good. Her voice lines fucking love her voice lines. Her the voice actors did a great job with Noxus. Skins, you got any skins for? I mean, you could do like a reverse skin for her and make it like a darkness themed. Oh, and I think that could be a really cool is that you capture the basically polar opposites. You do lots of blacks, reds, the whole like dark side of the force type feeling you could get from that, I think would be really cool for her. I think she looks like a lot of light based superheroes. So I think like a superhero costume for would be really cool. I could see that. Talos. This is probably my least favorite. And I don't know why I'm giving it two stars. The lowest rating I've given any of the skin so far. There's just something I don't like about Talos' skin. Like I've said, they're all amazing. Like it's designed well. It looks really good. I don't like it. I don't know what it is. Jelly, you got anything to add? It's nothing, I think that's wrong, but it just doesn't feel as good as the others necessarily. And I think it's because he's kind of that generic huntsman look that the bounty hunter that goes out for a wild game. I get very big monster hunter vibes from him. He's got the skulls on him and he's got the giant axe that's definitely too big for him. Like it's I just think that's where it just draws away from me. And so yeah, I would give him two as well in that same. That's the other thing that that takes away from him for me, too, is. They I mean, they want the weapons and stuff to be kind of realistic. But his axe, nobody on earth would be able to swing that fucker more than. More than once, like you can take the strongest man in the world. They won't be able to swing that big bastard around. I mean, we don't know what it's made out of. But one can assume, I don't know. There's just something to tell us a little like. I would see you like to see an Alfred Elric skin for him from Full Metal Alchemist. I could see that. That could be really cool. That would be kind of cool. Something you could also do. And I mean, if it's aesthetic well, is you do different types of game or things that he's hunted down as a skin. So you could do like a dragon scale skin. You could do I mean, any number of those kind of things that you could adjust him enough to be unique and cool. Let's move on to zero. I give him zero stars. No, I'm just kidding. I like zero. I really like it. I really like his aesthetic. I think he looks really good. I don't think he's a hero that are a myth that I'm going to play. There's nothing about his skin that makes me want to play him, but I'm still going to give him five stars. I think his skin is really well detailed. It looks really, really good. And I like the helmet that they put on him and everything. Jelly, what do you think? I completely agree with you. I would say four stars for sure. They kind of like they captured the angelic feeling of a character. And I think that that's really cool, but also gave the armor to show that it's like it's the light's herald, right? It's the it's the militaristic force of the light. Like something like it's it's very cool design wise to see that the how that's done, which I just love everything about zero's whole aesthetic. More of an avenging angel. Yeah. And I really I think that you have this angelic presence wearing like a full suit of armor that has a spear and a pistol. I think just encapsulates what a theory is. Like it's just like a whole mix of different cultures and different things. It's just really cool. I like I like that they gave him the pistol. Absolutely. I think it just fits well. It's a cool. It's it's a bit of a mix and match, but it works like it's just it doesn't feel bad that there's so many elements there. Yeah. Got skin ideas for zero. You could easily do a devil skin for zero. Oh, yeah. Instead of like the halo effect above, you do like floating devil horns and again, kind of similar to Noxus, change the color theming just on its head. Blacks, reds, the whole nine yards give it like a like an evil presence, which I think would just be a cool design aesthetic. That would be bad ass. Yeah, I would go with Harvey Burtman, attorney at law, give him that skin. Yes. Oh, my God, you what I would you shall be judged. What I would give for a Harvey Burtman skin for zero. I love Harvey Burtman, but that that's it. That we've run the game. But any anything else that did you like like I said, like I put out my just overall theme. I'd love to see 90s looking skins for just every character just like on down the line. But what do you think, Joe? You got any like themes you'd like to see? I don't even know why this is, but I love the like Sweethearts Valentine's Day theme for really? I just I don't know what it is. Yeah, that's what it must be. It's the pink seeping in, but I think that that's a cool design aesthetic and there's so many options that you can go down that way that I think would just be amazing to go you because you don't have to do necessarily the like in love. You could do like heartbroken versions of these things and be like really like next level design aesthetic on the Sweethearts Valentine's Day idea. Obsessed girlfriend, Malaya, just the wide eye, stupid malware. I love it. All right. Well, I think that that's all I had to cover. Anything else, Jelly? No, that's it for me. Right on. I know you've been under the weather, so you haven't been streaming. You got any streams or videos or anything planned? Always ethereal videos. I've got always I've got one coming out in the next couple days. So it should be up right around the same time as this or ethereal of more in depth, how the devs trolled me, which is still bothering me, but it's fine. It's fine. And then hopefully back to regular stream schedule this week. Looking forward to it, man. I keep I'm having to watch mud. You know how much I hate watching mud? She won't give any secrets on her stream. Exactly. What about you, man? Anything you want to plug? Just going to continue my pathless play through. I'm starting to get a feel like I usually don't do playthroughs and stuff like that. I'm starting to get a feel for what people like. I guess people like the weird stories about my life. Throwing those in just because there's so many of them play through. And you just it's always like some left. I've done a lot of weird. Don't expect that a lot of weird shit in my life, man. I had a buddy when we were little kids that that told me. We were going to play his super Nintendo. We're going to play Street Fighter all weekend. He was like, you know what? Let's go do something that will be a good story for Monday when we go back to school. And that's kind of like that's how I live my life. What would make a good story for later? And that's that's how I make decisions. I'm not a I'm not a very successful person because of it. But I am rich in stories. Hey, whatever works, we're all rich in something. But I think that is good to be it for now. So thank you guys for for joining us. I hope you were all looking forward to a thrill as much as we are. And we hope to see you all as we enter the ether. And then go.