 Hello, welcome to toffy TV. This is the toffy TV Everton podcast This is another edition of the Ned cam podcast joined by Cameron from the mitre blues Cameron. How are you mate? I'm good mate. I'm good. I'm all right. How are you? I'm not so bad to be honest. It's been a Decent decent starts of the week. Obviously we've had the first win since West Brom which feels It feels good. Obviously wasn't a great win We'll start with the arsenal game. What did you make of the? The very boring nil-nil game that happened to turn out one nil I think you just summed it up perfectly there to be honest with you Um, yeah, look, it wasn't it wasn't a great game whatsoever But so there are a couple of times recently at this point in the season and with us still trying to keep art So the you know naming the half it for Europe the performance isn't really what matters It's the results at the moment and obviously like you mentioned coming off the back of Three doors on the bounce and three games the palace game in which we created a plethora of opportunities and couldn't take them The Tottenham game in which you know, we basically gifted them the point with silly mistakes We just desperately desperately needed the win and it wasn't the greatest performance whatsoever by either team It was it seemed like a game of two sides that just didn't really have much quality in them Whatever I was a little bit disappointed that we didn't press Arsenal as much as we did Tottenham the week before We didn't get at them a little bit more because I think we'd have forced them into making More mistakes obviously the goal come from a shock and defensive mistake But I think with a go at them a little bit quicker that they've made more of those But ultimately make you can't complain six seven games to go and you still sort of in and around three five points away from those Teams that are sort of in the top, you know five or six places And you just need to be getting results and getting wins and if you were to say to me now You know every game goes like that between now and the end of the season You win every game 1-0 with the silly own goal I'd take it that snap your hand off for it because you know I get that it's not great watching performances like that And it is a bit frustrating but ultimately, you know wins a win and look we performed very well against Tottenham the week before And we come away with with only a point and we really needed to win in that game. So I'm happy and I'm glad that we've now got that you know sort of run of three draws on the bounce out the way because nobody You know likes drawing it completely takes away your momentum it you just when you draw the game It's just like yeah, whatever. Yeah, and listen, I don't want to say I don't want to say we've got a game in hand over the team is both as I know we have but people don't like saying it because you Gotta win that game and but let's you say there's more points to play for so Supposed we're writing it and then obviously it's three home games. We've got left Is it wolves villa and Sheffield United? I mean you look at those pictures Obviously, we're not being so great at all misusing But you just think we should be beating those teams anyway, shouldn't we? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, you know again, like you mentioned our home form hasn't been particularly good whatsoever But ultimately and realistically, I think like you said before about the the arsenal game at this point in the season We just need to start picking up wins and you know, we are still in that race for your we are still in the heart Obviously, I think you know, you mentioned the game and I don't like to talk about the gaming on because it feels like that's all We constantly say oh, yeah, we've got this game and and but the reality of the situation is is that the game And there's against the team that we realistically should be beating we're playing them on Saturday And the game and I'm still hasn't been scheduled a while, but we're playing as the middle on Saturday and Realistically we have to go out and win Because if we've got any aspiration of playing in the European competition next season teams like asked and villain That's no disrespect to them You have to be able to turn up and beat and I get that we haven't been great at home One thing I would say is we were much better at home against Tottenham We have been for the majority of this season So hopefully we can take that sort of forming and perform like we did against Spares with the exception of the hopefully We don't make the stupid defensive mistakes, but well, you're right mate. It's Every games are must win now every games are must win Especially considering how tight it is in the table as well Yeah, I can't afford to drop points at this point in the season Well, we're still we're still in there We were right in there for you know, we could easily finish sixth this season We're just gonna win our games and I hope the other Pictures go our way really but how many times I've been saying I'll be win this we go sixth I'll be win this we go fourth and we just we've bottled it every time we always we make it up to we make it up to finish and And we seem to be the owner achievers of our own downfall. So yeah going back to the Arsenal game What did you make of Godfrey and Hallgate at centre-back? So the two news came out and we saw him against Fulham and you couldn't really handle Josh Madger So thankfully a Bamiangan like it wasn't in there So what was what your thoughts on when you saw them at centre-back and then after the game? And I was a little bit concerned obviously only because I wanted yet he mean it in there as soon as a Meena would spit on phase day afternoon by Carlo I thought right could I get you any made it in there because if there's one thing that was Evidently clear from the spares game is that we missed yet he mean a massively and I still stiff by me point made that We wouldn't have considered those two goals But yet he mean it on the pitch because I think he clears both of those crosses in the spares game and so Yeah, I was I was a little bit sort of worried But I was just happy to see a photo the back to be honest with you because you know even though we've had a lot of centre-back partnerships this season even though like you mentioned and You know Ben goffy and Mason Hallgate didn't perform brilliantly against Fulham whatsoever early on in the season I just don't think five at the back works at all I don't I can't remember the last time we performed brilliantly defensively with the father the back formation I don't think Michael Keane likes it shoots it only he's comfortable in it I don't think making all gates comfortable in it I think Ben goffy is comfortable anyway, but I just don't think I just don't like a five at the back So as soon as I seen four at the back I was happy And I think both defenders done a really really good job with all Mason had the solid game Look Ben goffy say every week mate. He's an 8 out of 10 every week I can't remember the last time Ben goffy putting up a bad effort in performance He's played what 23 25 times 11 in this season and can you anyone honestly name a bad game? Yes, there may be games really perform better than others But even in even in those games where we've defended poorly you look at Ben goffy and think yeah Ben was decent today everybody else was too lost for Ben at the decent game So I was happy with Ben goffy in there and like I said Mason again If I was to pick any one of the four centre backs who wouldn't have played before the game It would have been Mason Hallgate, but then obviously we read that Michael Keane had picked up an injury Yeah, he mean obviously wasn't fit to start he was only fit to make the bench So look I was again I understood as soon as I see Michael Keane was out that there wasn't much of an option and I'd rather Yeah, he meaning have not started if he wasn't 100% fit because I don't want him to pick up a further injury Because let's be honest We really really need him between now and the end of the season and I thought about about for them don't okay though They defended well There was a couple of times when Arsenal got him behind but I thought for the majority of the game Mason looked a lot more comfortable than he has done in the last couple of weeks And I think there's a lot to be said about that and playing as one of the centre backs in a back four And looking a lot more comfortable than he usually does Yeah, I thought they're all right to be honest obviously I wasn't too Common I don't want to say I wasn't confident for the game, but it wasn't You know you start getting flashbacks of Fulham, don't you but yeah, I don't see them as a future partnership What do you think do you see him as a future partnership? No, I don't to be honest with you. I don't I think it's difficult to send to back situation Is there because there's the argument with Evertonians is always there There's what firstly is our best centre back some would say yeah, he means some wouldn't say yeah He means some would say Ben Goffley. I'd say Ben is probably the most consistent I think he's missed the consistent and he's missed a reliable to be honest with you But I think I'd say yet he mean a Michael Keene has had a really good season up until the last couple of weeks or so And remember Michael Keene at the start of the season was excellent So I don't see them I don't see Mason and Ben as a future centre back partnership to be honest because I think that They both are a lot better when they've got that sort of experience playing next to them And I know that's quite, you know, it sounds stupid considering the goals we can see that against Tottenham But I don't know it's difficult for me because I'd say going into next season I'd have yet he mean it in the next to Ben Goffley Yeah, or yet he mean the Michael Keene performed brilliantly for the large part of the season They were brilliant set certainly when we had to play with the four centre backs across the back line So it's difficult to say it's also difficult to say because we don't know what's gonna happen in the summer Of course, there's been rumors about yet he mean a potentially leaving the football club I don't think he will but we'll have to wait and see but I think yet he mean it has to be one of the two at least And you know, it's very difficult to say Ben Goffley shouldn't be in there either because he's like I said He's Mr. Consistence, isn't he? Yeah, they're all different types of centre backs really, aren't they? I mean, yeah, I suppose you are right saying you know, I mean is the best offender is the smartest offender really, isn't he? Yeah, and Godfrey's that you know is that they're all good at doing Things that other centre backs might not be so great That's obviously yeah, I mean is he's a brilliant defender. He's not got the legs really as he's not fast But you put him next to a Godfrey and so I for me the partnership one of all would be meaner and Godfrey meaner being a classic stopper You know clear your lines really good aerial and Godfrey's that you know, he's Not the smart set. He's smart. He's a smart lad. He's not the smartest centre back. It's like yeah, I meaner But he's a he's a real athlete to stop or he's got the legs pacy and really good at getting stuck in So for me, obviously, there's been talks about cooler barely coming in but Yeah, I mean they're going out But for me it would be yerry and Godfrey and then you'd have the backup to keen for King coming for me And they're not like for like, but you know, they're both similar type of like gains a low block good aerial Pretty pretty good on the ball and hog eggs. That's sort of you know, mobile quite quick athletic sort of centre back as well So that they would be the options for me going forward and obviously once King goes out the door Branthaway can come in for a backup for me and maybe even be the successor for you meaner But what's what's your thoughts on the the coolie Barley links? Can you see him being a an interesting summer signing or do you think it's just all rumors? It's a mad one, isn't it? Difficult because coolie Barley is now 29 years old and a step behind me point is that I don't really think a centre back is our main main priority in the summer To be honest with you, I think right back is number one I think right winger or just a tricky winger that can beat be the man is probably number two And I also think that another midfielder with a bit of energy that can sort of come in when I'd like the core is out It's probably number three I look at the cooler Barley stuff and I think if we if everything were a centre back away from being the best team in the world Or the best team in the country then yeah, maybe you'd say right go and take that punch on cooler Barley It cost you whatever thirty or million pounds twenty nine years old But you know when he comes in we're then gonna be the best team in the country. We're gonna win the league We're gonna win the champions league. We're gonna you know, dominate English football But we're not that centre back away from being that team So by the time cooler Barley comes in and we are that team He's probably eighty three thirty four and has either moved on or looking to move on So I just again he's a very very good defender He really really isn't and maybe would fix a lot of our defensive issues But I just think there's other areas in the pitch that I want everything to focus on before we focus on defending And we're like I said a centre back away a bit like them lot where across the park a centre back away from being the Perfect sort of team all together then I'd say go and take your puns on him But we're not with a right back with a winger with a sense of midfielder probably again Maybe some of the even argue another centre forward So again, I do think it's a listen It's an easy room into make-up in it by journalists You've got a defender who probably has won well a defender who's being rumoured to be leaving Napoli for about the last Ten years you've got Carlo Angelotti who's worked with said defender before because that's big room about the Italian market being You know needing money invested into it because of financial issues So you just all last then together make an article and people click on it And the reality of the situation is as cooler Barley's been linked with family clubs Consistently for the last five or six years from my knowledge anyway 2015 at least isn't it yeah, and I just think ever the latest one of those clubs do I think it'll happen Would they be happy if it did happen for the right price and the right way to make baby He would come in and improve anything There's no question about that he would improve everything But if he wants to come in someone it after leave be it mean it probably mean it okay one of them to it after go But I don't see it happening if I'm being honest with you Well, it's not a priority is it you could argue that center-back position is our most equipped Position on the on the field. Obviously, we've got other big areas obviously like you said center forward Josh King leaves and we will have to ring possibly another center forward or a wing to him So he's a player you can play both but in terms of midfielders obviously against Arsenal we saw a Fresh midfielder come on who's not play since Burnley in Fabian Delphi. What did you make a Fabian Delphi? I think he stood out obviously had a He had the white socks on so he did stand out for me. What did you make of his return? Yeah, he stood out massively didn't he? Firstly because he had the wrong socks on and secondly To be honest look, I don't want to go too deep into Fabian Delphi I'm not a fan of Fabian Delphi and I tell him in the summer if we got the correct bid again I don't I don't but I don't really could it's as myself runs for the Fabian Delphi I need to be honest because I remember when we brought him in I thought yeah 8 million pounds won the league Seemed like a leader in that Manchester City shut up But at least what we all seen on the on the documentary show for you bring him in You know if anything you bring that bit of leader should be a bring that little bit of mentality The reality of the situation situation is he spent 99.9% of his effort in career on the injury list and getting You know getting physio and he spent the rest of it arguing with fans about why they couldn't do a better job than he could do So I just don't think he's being a success I think he left a bit of stain in a lot of fans as mouth when he when he dad You know when he was arguing and when he was on social media Yeah, yeah, you know having that little bit of a you know a fallout and adjusting now It's time to sort of shake hands and go I don't want to go too deep into him the art of performance because he has only just come back from an injury But if we're being totally honest with ourselves He was absolutely abysmal and it takes something when a player comes onto the pitch in the wrong socks And that's not that's not the main thing that makes him stand out the main thing that makes him stand out as that He can't play for thee and But listen, you can only sell these types of players if people bid for them can't you then this is where I This is where I sort of sympathise with Marcel Vans a bit is if Fabian Delphi Play next season everyone go why didn't we sell them? Why didn't we sell them you can't just go out and drop them on someone's doorstep and say he's your player now play It seems after a bit that I fully expect that if somebody bids for Fabian Delphi will leave it for football as it should But look listen ever to bad awful injuries this season He's passed on me last week with the only team from the team to have had every single player I don't have any time this season. So it's good to see him return I'm not gonna say the insane it's not because ultimately we've got the core. I out injured we've got Gomez has been out injured we've got a lot of players out injured. So when somebody retains even if it's not somebody You know as particularly going to have a massive impact It's still good to see them return because ultimately still a name that can be involved But yeah, again, it's just happy to see him back because you know happy to see players that injured back But he's not gonna have an impact on this team as he let's be honest Well, if he's a player that you're trying to get out the door, then it's good to have him back because like against Arsenal I think he brought him on just you know the shot window tactic let other teams have a look at him. Obviously Maybe that's why he told him to wear white socks that could go into go out in white socks You stand out a bit more hopefully what fiddle someone picks up on you and goes Hey, he could be good be all right when we come back up. Obviously don't whether that work for the best I mean leads. Yeah, exactly. I mean we were nil nil when he came on and we've End finished the game finished one nil so you could argue that it was a Unbelievably great tactical sub substitution Exactly, but yeah, he's a player that if you look back at the the man city prime the Amazon Prime documentary thing He was really he was that character wasn't in the dressing room He was a proper leader and he's won a title and he He went into Man City didn't he play in a position that he didn't play and I'm one a title there Looking back at the time. I was delighted when we signed him for eight million months. It's nothing really easy But obviously it's not been Not been for the best No, so let's move on There's been a lot of controversy controversy in the past week or two It seems to be dying down not dying down But it's it seems to be taught to talk to a lot less by the big authorities obviously The your way for chairman is it is it Alexander Kepher in he's come out and said the teams will be punished Obviously I'm talking about this the European Super League and front in old Paris has come out and said oh no these teams can't leave They've signed a contract. So yeah, how do you think there's been a lot of speculation on how they should be punished this week? And obviously a lot of journalists and a lot of people really saying that you can't punish the fans Who was saying that when when we go went down and yeah Sheffield went the exactly all these teams got punished likes a lead Sheffield Wednesday Bolton Obviously we mentioned last week who's bothered about them now, but yeah How what do you think a realistic punishment should be especially if it turns out they have signed a contract because they've not Died it have the and that can put them in a lot of trouble because they've ended the day They broke the Premier League rules. Yeah, I think a realistic punishment has to be you look at you mentioned the other teams That have been punished there And you know your Betty Betty fans lost their football club was that down to their fans now It wasn't down to the fans at all. It was down to shock and ownership. They lost their football club They now I can't even begin to imagine what I'd feel like of everton, you know I've ever been running to liquidation and we lost everton leads the same I think they got massive point deduction Bolton the same they got massive point deduction So I think when you're looking at this and some people are saying oh, yeah Finding a multi-billionaire 50 million isn't gonna do anything what so ever. It's probably he probably go Yeah, love get me a for monitor and there's a bit of change in there and give that to them The reality of the situation Matt is that I don't think they will be fine heavily Because I think what the reason and you said before that everything's sort of starting to die down a little bit now Everything's becoming a lot quieter and that's because the Premier League the UAE for all of these organizations who claim to care about football UAE for come out and said this is a spit in the face of all football lovers But then as soon as those clubs said actually no, we don't want to join it They were there with open arms to welcome them back. They don't care about football They don't care about fans. They don't care about the history of the sport They just care about the fact they were going to lose money and that's why it's all died down now And it's not talked about as much by the authorities because now Satan television broadcast is no they're not gonna lose money now Satan Organizations and with the BDFA Premier League UAE for they know they're not gonna lose money So they're not really bothered now because these teams have come running back They're not gonna lose the money and that's it They'll be don't punish them because they know that if they don't punish them then it'll be then that's blatant It's clear that all the care about is the pocket and we all know that anyway We're not soft but the terms realistic punishments for me It has to be but it's gotta be bands from European competitions Firstly that's a necessity if you wait for don't ban these teams from your European competitions And they've got no backbone whether it be two years whether it be three years with it be five years These clubs were happy to walk away and never play you wait for government competition ever again They all signed a deal and all on that night they signed the deal says we've left you wait for now We've gone we don't want to be a part of it now. They've come running back doesn't work like that That's not how life works. Obviously those clubs should be punished and banned from European competitions champions league You don't believe you wait for conference league, etc. Don't let them play in it for five six ten years Whatever they ultimately you do the country just mentioned Matt all of their fat Their fans their players were punished for bad ownership. He didn't sign steel football their owners They just couldn't sort their finances out and ended up running them into administration And they some of them were deducted 15 20 points some of them were banned from competitions These owners have started steel football So you're being banned for start and then points deduction for me absolutely necessity because you can't let these teams get away with it Otherwise they have my project big picture. They said oh, we're gonna do this project big picture Then they said oh no actually I'm not an happen to it They just got a slap on the wrist if you don't get punished for this one Then they'll go and do something else in six months again It'll come up again because they know they can get away with it without getting punished But even being honest mate, they won't get punished. He won't be his what was that like six six months ago The project big big picture and they turned it down. He said no you do not have our permission to go and join a breakaway league Yeah six months later something Come back with a super league and they released they released the release of statement Completely going against Premier League, so they broke the rules. They broke the Premier League rules They didn't have permission to join this break break away a league and there obviously must be some sort of contract Contracts negotiation being signed or something for them to release his statement You don't really the clubs would not release a statement over a letter for agreement or a what's up saying fancy playing Super League next season. Yeah, go on them release a statement. It doesn't happen And obviously we're getting I said I think I said this last week Wigging the EFL a no mark who didn't know how to run a football club Was it fit to run a football club by a football club in the EFL and then they punished the club for it Yeah, which That's the same that's the same situations within now the Premier League and the EFL have let no marks You haven't got a clue about football and I haven't football's best Intests a heart run a football club because they've got a load of money I said I think we said on the podcast last week Not even being big-headed not even telling us how like the big I am I reckon you could sit me down with any human being on this planet and it'd take me five minutes Didn't know if they knew about football. I mean John Dewey Henry sat down. I said this to a liberal By the way, I was I was out having a drink with a couple of mates Social distance and all that on Friday and I sat down the liberal fan And I said, did you know that one of those big six executive owners once said when he first watched this football club Which team are we wait which color do we play in and this this lad said one of me one of my mates said John W. Henry straight away didn't even need to get he knew it was the Premier League I've left these people come in and buy football clubs solely because they've got a lot of money and they're gonna pump a lot of Money into their organization not because they've got the club's best interests of hearts Not because they've got football's best interest of that just because they've got a lot of money now I know there's a lot of ever sonians who You know who have issues with Bill Kenwright and have had issues with the camera throughout the years, but I remember 10 15 years ago when Sonia's was screaming for Bill Kenwright to sell a football club and he kept he was he was adamant in now I'll only sell it to the right man And maybe there was multi-billionaires left right and tend to want to sell But he would only send it to the right man When far I'm a shady come out on social sport last week and said it's a disgrace. It's an utter disgust and you know We'd never even said anything like that I just felt proud because I thought that's the right man because that could have easily been evident last week That could have easily been ever to resolve to a greedy billionaire who hasn't got the club's best interest in our art And we could have been one of those big six clubs who joined up with them And we could have all been sitting here saying we're disgusted and we're disgraced But we're not because Bill Kenwright and far far I'm a shady who had the club's best interest in our life Yes, he's also multi-billionaire and we also spend the crap load of money Obviously, that's football if it knows to keep up with football you have to do that It's about doing in the right way and having models and none of those six owners have got models But the reality of the situation is math none of those organizations that were Threatened last week have got models either because they won't find them like they should he won't punish them like they should Because they're worried about the money they're gonna lose it if the Premier League come out and say well right yeah now We're deducting 25 points off everybody and well at the end of the season will deduct 25 points from anybody arsenal get relegated Then the Premier League are going to hang on we're probably gonna lose a lot of money from Arsenal being relegated because of Arsenal's global fan base So we won't do that because we'll lose a lot of money on that It's not about whether what's right for football and what's wrong for football It's about what's gonna make us money and what's gonna lose us money and that's why they were so disgusted is because They're gonna lose money and we all sat here and said it takes something when we're all siding with you a friend and FIFA They were two of the most corrupt with the organizations on the planet The reason we were all siding with them is because we as fans had football at heart They had money at heart and that's why they're all happy now when it's like yeah, they've all come back yet You can play white wire realm with their plane Chelsea last night. No read them all read the pair of them They agreed to walk away with them give it to PSG, but they don't do it because they probably earned Millions and millions of pounds off of last night's semi-final. So again, it just we know We know it's a reflection on society mate, and we know what society is and we know what football is in this day and age and Unfortunately, it'll probably never change. It'll only get worse. But yeah, I don't think they'll be punished heavily They'll probably get a fine maybe a slap on the wrist and they might get a ban from the Carabao Cup or something like that for a season They won't get banned from the European competitions. I'll tell you that and he certainly won't get points deducted from the league Yeah, but did we expect any different mate? Did we expect any difference? Yeah, you're absolutely right at the end of the day I mean you said in relation to society all comes out on money and in today doesn't it? I'm obviously we've seen a lot of protest over the last week with a We're asking with Cronkey and United with the glazers But do you think do you think the glazers and and the Cronkey family really bothered about these these Fans outside the stage and you've already said they don't care about anyway No, they don't care me. They don't care. They don't care one shot and they know that But the most important thing that these fans of these football clubs have to do now are you Arsenal United Liverpool Chelsea? They have to continue these protests constantly when fans are live back in the stadiums next season gone protest I'll charge the ground again doing in the stands doing in the stadium The only way that anything will ever change is consistency doing one protest. They'll just overlook it and go They'll be alright in two weeks or in the summer when we sign and football fans are fickle They are fickle because of Arsenal go out in the summer and sign. I don't know I'm back. I don't think of money or even Jack Rielish. Yeah, and it'll be oh, yeah, we've got this What both fans are fickle we all know that the only way this these owners will take note is if it's consistent And there's constant protests throughout the year in grounds in stadiums outside Not just the odd fan putting a banner up or the odd fan scheme and everybody doing it And these clubs need to get these owners out of football because these people shouldn't be one of football clubs or whatever But you're right. You don't care. They won't pay attention. They're not asked In fact, they're probably sitting back with their feet up laughing at them going I look at them all their ways than they time thinking that we're gonna walk, you know I know that the Spotify owner is teamed up with I think they come on re and signed by Arsenal again, you know You know, I understand that they're footballing people and listen the reality the situation of football clubs in this day and age You need you need somebody who is business minded and he was football minded as well And carlman starts he got a spot on when he talked about the Super League in his press conference. He said that He said so about American franchises and baseball and all of that, you know, American sports And he said there's nothing wrong with the way the Americans have their sport There's nothing wrong with basically when you watch the Super Bowl. It's an advert every five seconds There's nothing wrong with when you're watching American sports and it's filled with Commercialization there's nothing wrong with that because the you know, the American audience like that they accept that and they're happy with that But that's not the way we do it in Europe. It doesn't mean that we're writing They're wrong. It's just not the way we do it. The reality of the situation is situation is with football. Is it business? Yes, but it's also football. It's not just business and that's what these people have started to make it just the business But Well, you mentioned the the Spotify on it didn't you it is it Daniel Elko or something like that. He's a big Arsenal fan, isn't he? Yeah, but obviously we got the email just today off Spotify saying well putting the prices up when you're thinking oh, no, it's happening But there's no way Cronkies the Cronkies family is gonna sell on are they? Not because of some Arsenal fans outside the stadium. They simply don't care about the Arsenal fans But I feel a bit for a Obviously Daniel Levy see of Tottenham Do you think Daniel Levy didn't want to sort of miss out on an opportunity and think or whatever don't sign up? And then there's massive repercussions and the same with city where they met and up being do they want to stay at the top and all There's money's available obviously didn't need it So I do feel a bit feel a bit for the for those owners I get where you're coming from and I do think that certainly city and probably Chelsea and Tottenham Or maybe pushed into a corner by Man United Arsenal and And Liverpool to sign but I don't I don't feel for them one bit because ultimately they listen anybody with the right mind Could have gone this ain't working this ain't gonna happen because there'll be protests the whole of football I'll go against it probably the rest of the Premier League will go against it the rest of the way They'll go against it so it'll fall to bits very soon And I might not understand last week I said this will fall to bits and when it does fall to bits these clubs need punishing So I get I do understand where you come from and I get you probably were pushed into a corner a little bit And maybe forced to say look, you know, you sign this and we'll have you'll have this hundreds of million and you'll have this Then we'll leave you probably four billions. I sign this contact the stadiums paid off got no debt City probably four billions. I sign this and half of our debts paid off same with them with Chelsea But the reality of the situation is I think as much as they might say yet We were forced into a corner a little bit because they've easily said hang on this is completely against football This is completely against what the sport we play in this is completely against the sport We've grown up loving so I'm not signing for it I think it's more certainly with Abramovich coming out first being saying yet We don't want to sign it I think he's an owner who has probably looked at those protests outside the Stanford Bridge last week and gone Well, let's be honest He's probably gonna lose a lot of customers here because that's all these people see football fans are as customers So he's seen them protests and he hasn't gone like the Cronkies will or the Glaciers will I don't care because they're great Arsenal that a massive football club globally Manchester United a massive football globally Chelsea are but they're not on that level of those two football clubs in my opinion So I think Abramovich has gone I'm probably gonna lose more money than what we're doing this for because I'm gonna lose all of these supporters So I'll back out see the way at least I think personally mate in regards to city and and Tottenham I think all six clubs will certainly I think those three and We're waiting for we're waiting for one to drop out I think they all were all looking at each other and go who's going first and as soon as Chelsea went I think city went yet will file as well I think Tottenham where they're going yet will file as well And I think the other three were sort of just pushed into a corner and went Yeah, we're gonna have to go because the fans and look at the way fans are reacting to it I think I still think to this day John W. Henry the Glaciers and Stan Cronkies would go and join the Super League Yeah, didn't have as bad of a reception. I honestly don't think they cared about Whatever, I think they would join if Tottenham, sorry if Chelsea and city and Tottenham If they're gone, no, you know what we get it to upset but we're gonna stick with it those three clubs of the stuff with it Well, they've only left because they've gone shit everyone else has lefty and we've got a time make ourselves look good the apology videos the apology statements It's all a lot of nonsense. They don't care Let's move on before the Before we get into the Assen villa game, obviously we've seen in the last couple of days The announcement of a Premier League Hall of Fame and the inductees. I don't know if you've seen it Obviously the first yeah, these was it to be on rain Alan Shearer. Yeah. Yeah, is there any anyone from Everton? You could possibly imagine seeing on the Premier League in of you know the inductees of the Premier League Hall of Fame And probably Dennis La Colada if I'm being honest, yeah Wayne Rooney's obviously the big name is now the majority was clear that Manchester United But wait, I think on the current rules from what I read Wayne Rooney can't join because the players I have to have been retired before the face of August 2020 and he wasn't so I think he'll he'll have to join a later date for this For this inductee, whatever you want to call it He couldn't join because he hadn't been retired by the date that he needed to be and but I think Wayne Rooney will be within the First five to be a no doubt. I think he'll be in there and as he should He's one of the best footballers to ever grace Premier League football I've seen the rest of the list for players to join it and And it's mad really because there's a lot of players on there to Individually with the best players at their club in the Premier League, but there was a lot that haven't won league titles I mean he's on there and he's never won a league title Ryan Gibbs wasn't on the list I've seen which I found quite staying now. I think that the Ryan Gibbs situation is a bit more deeper Yeah, I think he would be on there. I think he would be on there given his Recent situation is probably better. He's not that's what I mean I think I've seen a lot of my night of fans going mad on Ryan gigs I thought you're missing the point here He's not not on there because they haven't recognized it Ryan Gibbs would probably be one of the two certainly one of three Absolutely, if he wasn't in cause at the moment for his in core for and if he didn't have an eight year affair with his brother's wife He probably would be on there. So that's probably why they're keeping him off of it And but yeah, look, I had no real issue a theory on me and Alan Sheena to be honest that again top highest top goal scorer in the Premier League theory on Alan Sheena theory on me was a very very good playing in this time You know was a part of a very successful Arsenal team very You know a sense of visibility was an excellent player and but it seems a better than players I think you're probably looking at You're looking at Wayne Rooney obviously more so because he wanted them for Man United they'll see I'd say light and veins I'd say various other players, but they won't they won't be on there because they might be on there and Number five on the dentary or something But at the moment, you know, the Premier League don't even recognize everything at the moment as an aft decent club So probably not gonna throw any any X everything plays on there But yeah, look, I think Wayne Rooney will be within the top five as soon as they change that rule He'll be you'll be certainly up there. What about you mate? You do you have any names? Well, you mentioned Layton Baines or suppose in terms of his numbers You could you could well be in there, couldn't he? Yeah, yeah, well, isn't he got the record most appearances. Yeah. Yeah, but for Layton Baines in terms of left-backs I mean, you got there's obviously plays like Dennis Irwin and Ashley Cole Ashley Cole was one that sort of Overshadowed him in a way at the time obviously was in the England squad And yeah, listen Stevie G never won anything. Well, we're never on a league should I say Neither did Layton Baines, but later being was just it in numbers I'd sit his numbers show he was a phenomenal left back But is there any other place from any other clubs that he's surprised got left out? I was surprised when it obviously plays like yeah, yeah, Torrey It's quite surprised when he was left off. So is what was there any for you? I haven't I haven't even I can't remember the list stays away to be honest with you Let me let me just get it up real quickly on the list. I've got Getting sexier from London members There's a few United players as well that you missed off I was thinking obviously they can't just put the you're not gonna put the whole of the 99 squad are they On the list, but there's quite there's quite a few that obviously there'll be there'll be the inductees next year and the year after so Yeah, I think There's a lot of there's a lot of Chelsea and Man United in it. Yeah And I'm not sure. Oh, thank you. I don't even remember. I couldn't recall any city players on it to be honest So it'd be a guy party would be one alarm and a bit changeable because record most Premier League appearances Consistent throughout his years as well even back playing forever in the 33 34 years of age. He was absolutely exceptional So, yeah, I'd say got a body of engine. Yeah, that's all right. Then definitely yeah, that's all right. Remember that to the 2014 Yeah, absolutely Unbelievable he really really was And but I think they'll add to the list. I think they've I think what they've done basically it's just gone Well, we'll get a rough list together and we'll throw it out there and then we'll add upon and you know sort of but I think Certainly look, I don't remember the years of like David Beckham and stuff But I think David Beckham spent a lot of his career outside of the Premier League, didn't he? But yeah, because he's David Beckham and So, yeah, I think I'd probably say yeah, like you said, yeah, that's all right God of Barry and I think those two are definitely names that should be in there and ultimately should be in the Hall of Fame You you think a Premier League the first thing you're gonna go to is right who's got the most goals in the Premier League? Yeah, who's played games in the Premier League? So Yeah, possibly Well, let's move on to the Aston Villa game then are you feeling confident for this athlete obviously is a home home draw that we've not You're not being so great at home this season. So are you feeling confident for this week's home fixture? Yeah, look, I am I am feeling confident I know we haven't been great at home this season and know that and I know that these types of games have been the ones that have Typically, but the reality of the situation is I think with the Villa game Is that like I said before? I think we were a lot better against Tottenham than we have been recently a home I think the Tottenham game was a lot more improved And also like I said, we really really needed that win against Arsenal because we need some momentum going now six games to go We've got a lot of winnable games in those six games wolves is winnable They're they're shocking at the moment to against Villa very winnable I think we've got chef United in there, which is obviously winnable and okay We've got city away, which is going to be difficult But for me This this is this has got to be a must win It has to be a must win our name is still firmly in that hat for you are being football Yes, we've still got a game in hand against Aston Villa We need to we need to keep winning games because all the teams are going to keep picking up points And it's so so tight around those areas you could finish ninth this season and only finish two points from fourth It's that tight at the moment We need to start picking up points and hope that all the team starts off in points and like I said It's his ability move a decent ability. We've got some decent quality players only Watkins And I like obviously Jack Lealist have got John McGinney where things are really good player But it still should be ability in that it was it was sitting there net if me and you Ned are sitting in Let's just say I don't know Spain or Germany or Croatia in the summer with our shorts on and a nice little top In fact the 50 on because I've already been we'd like to be saying yeah We're good enough to beat a team like Aston Villa because we're now playing in Europe And if you want to play in Europe, you'd have to be able to beat those types of sides as good as as big as a club Aston Villa are no disrespect everything should be turning up and winning and Like I said, it's it's it's come time now performance wise Yes, it'd be great to see us perform brilliantly and go out and put three or four past them Performances a second that result And win just get the three points mate and then move on to the next game. Yeah, it's an it's another game where You know you get three points at his chance to move up the tables We just got to take that chance because the amount of get the amount of times I've said that this season We've just not took the chance We let ourselves down. We've been the own Successor of our failure I suppose you could say so yeah, it's a massive game for us So who would you like to see we obviously talk about centre-backs before would you like to see you're in me in a start this one Obviously he's come back from his injury now Yeah, I'd like to see meaning in there next to golfery to be honest with you And even though Mason had a good game the other day did and I get that and I get that it'd be difficult to stop me Some I think you get him in as 100% fit he has to be in there because like I said I think he's our most dominant centre I've certainly in the air as well There's not a lot to say about yeah, how good you're meaning is area And I think in recent weeks when yet he mean it hasn't been in the team. We've conceded a lot or we've looked a lot and You know, we've looked a lot who looked exposed with balls coming into the box So when you've got yet he mean of it typically you get to them away is it is what six foot five six six something like that is It ends great he throws himself in the way So I'd say yet he mean it and then I probably have to say Ben got free as well because you can't leave Ben Out of this team it's been got free and then whoever else and I think out of me in a keen and the whole gate I'd put I put me in there personally. Mm-hmm. I agree. What's your what's your score prediction then for this Saturday? And I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to one event I'm gonna go to two one three one, but I'm gonna go to one ever and I just again I don't really see any game now between now in the end of the season being a three-nil four-nil I just don't see it running away with any game But I think we should have enough to to beat this aspect of the team And if we don't then we're just gonna be where we were two weeks ago where we're saying oh, yeah We had a bit of momentum and now we've ruined it again by Drawing to palace and so no, I think yeah for me Yeah, I'm gonna go to one. I've got a lot of hope that we're gonna finish the season strongly So I'm gonna say two nil Thankfully And then hopefully to another place as well Which are probably at the moment be a couple days later God knows because the front orders at the top of the corner in this anyway Probably be before me probably be tomorrow night exactly could be happening now. Yeah, let's go to you. Oh, you know Oh, yeah, Fabian delves come on the wrong socks again. Oh for God's sakes till two and ill Yeah, well, yeah, two nil to villa. Yeah There you go. Thank you very much for listening to the toffee TV podcast if you want more videos Exclusive live videos and join us on page and make sure you check out camera's channel at the mighty blues on YouTube Thank you very much for watching and goodbye