 Many of them are in their 70s. They are still working underground, so they need to be protected. But they wanted their voices heard in this so-called psychedelic renaissance. They have more experience than anyone else in the Western world. Certainly the Shaman and indigenous communities have centuries of experience and lineages. But in the Western world, they have more experience than the researchers, for instance. And the researchers were really dominating the psychedelic renaissance. And the women had a different perspective that I felt was being overlooked and could easily be lost.