 So made in a bis we actually watched it. It's an anime and I think it's based on a new one. Yeah Did we judge it? I don't remember if we judged it or not I don't know if we judged it or not Because I tend to only watch like three or four of the anime we judge at any time we judge, right? So here's the deal. It's an anime and in this anime there is the it's a fantasy world and in the fantasy world Which I think is earth. No spoilers will save spoilers for the ends. Don't worry There's some island and on the island that there's a big ass fucking hole It's just it's just like a completely isolated island It's just like you know and the whole island is a big hole and there's like a ridge around the hole with this town There's a ridge around the hole where everyone lives like it's some RPG or some shit And the hole is the abyss and it goes down No one know it goes all the way down like way down I don't think it even has a bottom and there's like you know They have maps of it and at the bottom of the map is just like wow Now the gist of the show is what's the deal with the abyss it's a terrible secret of space Who what where did the abyss come from? Why is it the way it is? Why is there a fantasy world down there and but not outside of it? But unlike say a darker than black where there's a secret in space And then they do all this other nonsense and the secret in space just in the background this show is a beeline It's basically here's the characters. There's the abyss They're going fucking as far down as possible as fast as possible and that is the plot Yep, there's a character and her mom was like an abyss master. They have like this. It's a very RPG, right? They have like feels very secret of mana Yeah, it's like they have these colors of whistles for like how strong you are at going in the abyss JRPG Oh, they're she's a white whistle white whistle is the strongest, right? So her mom was a white whistle who went to the bottom of the abyss and she gets a note from mom saying come find me at The bottom, so she's like well even though I'm just a little kid with a little red whistle Who doesn't know what they're doing? I'm going to that bottom and we're gonna just as the viewer You're gonna learn all about the abyss because all you want to do is know what's the deal What's the deal because there's so many things to know what's the deal with you know Where did this person come from where do these mother with the abyss come from and so far? How come this unlike say attack on Titan that just doesn't even get close to the secret in space And when it does it's stupid so far at least having watched one whole season of this and there'll be more Season one does not yeah, there's manga does not actually end the story But it is a pretty good place like I feel pretty good about where it ended like I don't feel I don't feel like I did at The end of the first attack on Titan season. No It feels like it's going somewhere and it feels like there's a real secret that'll probably be interesting It's like they don't answer necessarily the questions that you're asking But they keep revealing more things and which then give you more questions, right? Yeah, it's like I think this you know I don't know how much is spoilers or whatever We'll get to a spoiler line and well the main thing is there's this like a curse of the abyss where going down is easy Anyone can go down as long as you don't get killed by some horrible monster or something like that Yeah, it's a really hazardous place that gets more hazardous the deeper you go But there's nothing inherent about the abyss like if you just had a rope and came from the sky You would go all the way to the bottom just no problem But if you try to go up in the abyss horrible things happen to you immediately Like if you go in a little bit and then like let's see you take a few steps down and come back up You'll get like a headache You'll be like dizzy just because right and if you go down maybe like what they have levels of the abyss if you Go down like one level and come back up You'll be like vomiting and nauseous like crazy Yep Go a little further like blood just starts spurting out of your eyes Right, but only if you go up as long as you're going down or or staying at the same elevation You're not affected But if you try to go up out of if you're already in the abyss and you try to go upwards towards the out of the abyss That's when you know this sort of curse just nails you there's even situations We're like they're in the abyss standing on like a tree or something and they want to get into this tree house That's above them and they're looking at it like oh And the tree the people in the tree house lower like an elevator basket thing and they get in the elevator And it's like the elevators only going up a little bit But it's like oh my god if I get in this elevator that goes up to the tree house I'm gonna be all sick aren't I it's like yes They get out of the tree they get out of the elevator like vomiting all over the place So let's talk a little bit about the world because the main characters the people we follow in the show are little kids They're like 12. Yeah, they're little kids right and they're drawn in a very cute way Well one of them is not maybe a kid Well, we'll one of them is a robot who we don't know how old it is Yeah, but it is it is a robot 12 year old child It could be like a hundred year old robot that looks like a 12 year old child But it has the mentality of a 12 year old child and the and the visual appears we got all these little kids and they're all red whistles and the Storytelling we get there's some environmental storytelling and some characters explain things and there's little details That kind of fill in the picture, but basically there's an orphanage in this town and all the kids in the orphanage Basically are made to go down into the abyss get artifacts and bring them back up Yeah, very RPG style and as they get better it doesn't seem it doesn't seem to be an abusive orphanage It seems to be like an okay orphan like it's pretty legit like the kids like it's like it's like it's strict You know we're like the but it's not you know It's not like an evil orphanage like a Oliver You know one of those well We see what later in the show you see what the evil orphanage looks like yes The evil orphanage later, but like the kids go down and get these artifacts And here's why the shit like one of the reasons I like the show and it's like it's like there's a mystery of like Whoa, why the fuck is this abyss full of artifacts? Yeah, it's it's all precursor technology and as you know That is one of my main things. They also find like they constantly find skeletons in the abyss Skeletons are always praying. There's three things in the abyss. There's priceless Artifacts from an ancient and unknown civilization that some of which are like powerful magic items and also for some reason the deeper you go The artifacts become more complex and more powerful and amazing So it's like you go down one level you find like a plus one sword go down three and you find a weird magic box That like blows up if you look at it and like weird stuff. It's like how did this come to be? There's monsters down there. Yeah, and there's praying More dangerous as you go deeper because it's JRPG. Yep, and they there's all our monsters guard the better treasure But buried everywhere in a circle around the abyss are skeletons in a praying position No one knows where they came from. They don't tell you the viewer Well, so you get the impression right away because there are people who know stuff that you don't see as the viewer and the Characters you see in the show don't tell you the viewer Yeah, you can see people in the show who clearly know more than they let on like the white whistle people But people still tell other characters like a lot of info like they're not they don't hold back Yeah, but it's like this one point where they go to this place That's like a museum of relics or whatever and they're there to see some specific things But it's like what other stuff is in there that we're not seeing. Yeah, it's like a huge building It's like what are the scientists who work there? No, what are the archaeologists know? They must know something so the abyss is basically this pit and It's either maybe a spaceship crash. Maybe it's some precursor technology like we don't know There's no idea what what it is. It could be anything could be a portal to another world It's implied that there were other abysses all over the earth and that this is the last one Oh, I didn't catch that at all talk about how they mentioned this a couple times early on that this is like the only unexplored one Hmm that there were other holes that were like had similar things I didn't see that at all and there's also this sort of side sub-story about like all these nations in the world war Access they do this abyss they do allude to that and I don't know if they don't explain it enough But there are definitely stories they tell about like the cave raiders or the people go down to get relics And how they don't fight with other cave raiders from other countries Right, it's like for some reason I guess this island where the abyss is must be some sort of neutral territory But the abyss itself is not or the nation that controls it now like won that war Yeah, or there was a war in the past where they destroy it where they won and now that that country or Controls the abyss or maybe the whole world they control But yeah, there's like these unnamed countries, you know, no the deal is so the main character is this girl who lives in the orphanage And she's a red whistle and normally kids just as they get better at learning these cave raiding skills They progressed like blue whistle and like you see they show you people who have you know higher whistles And they're clearly stronger, you know, they've they've gone into the abyss enough that they've with their with their greater strength They can go deeper and come up without vomiting and they can they're also super strong like diving like they like they have Artifacts that help them. They also just have gained skills It's like you dive to deep scuba diving and then you have to like do special things I'm your way back higher level RPG characters and they can go into the abyss deeper and beat stronger monsters and do more awesome stuff so like the kids go way deep like in the early part of the show like deeper than they should and There's people who are down there who are totally okay We're just higher level than them and they interact with those people and interesting stuff happens But the general plot is that this there's one girl who was our main character and her mom was a white whistle The white whistles are the only people who have no depth limit They're allowed to go as deep as they want and they're basically on their own discretion and no one can tell them for what They're also all like legendary people like they know like all the names of all the white whistles Yeah, there's not too many of them and they're all Elm in stir right they're all godlike Forgotten and they have each white whistle is like a unique they have they wear physical whistles on their neck Yeah, they have like all these unique whistles where it's like all the red whistles are the same red Whistle, right? Yeah, it's like the white whistles are all unique and like one guy's got these like two skull hands like two Skeleton hands holding each other as his white whistle. Yep, and you know, it's like whoa what's up with that dude and This girl her mom was a white whistle and either disappeared or died down in the abyss yes and She wants to go find her mom and find out what the deal is because a letter comes up from the abyss that says meet me Mm-hmm, and she doesn't know other papers from mom as well and mom's white whistle and a robot kid and a robot kid well The robot kid doesn't come up with the mom stuff, but in the notes that mom sent back There's a picture of the robot kid Which is so there must be some connection between mom and the robot yep And the robot kid doesn't remember anything nope, but has terrifying powers and see the robot kid really actually only has two powers He has well I on a commando arms. Okay. No, he is beyond a commando arms Great strength and immune to the curse of the abyss because he's a robo He's immune to the curse of the abyss yeah, and also some crazy super powered cannon in his arm Yep, and the cannon in his arm is very like spear of long anews level technology It's ridiculously powerful But if he uses it he shuts down and then has to recharge and then wakes up now one thing the show does and other shows like Mushishi or there's a lot of shows that have done this over the years where there's rules of how things work like magic systems Has rules but doesn't have too many pretty much the rule is like if you go to deep in the abyss coming back up sucks Or like if he uses that laser in a certain amount of time He'll pass out for a certain number of hours right well They're recharges is bad and there's some rules But they're like societal rules like you know We don't we don't allow red whistles to go deeper than level one because they can't handle it But it's like nothing stopping you from doing that. It's like if they go past level two well good luck Yeah, you're not coming after you now cuz even if we come back after you if we try to pick you up and bring you back to the Service they'll just die you'll die while we do that so So the girl Spoilers from the very beginning of the show and the robot just fucking go for it and jump down into the abyss I mean this isn't spoiler cuz like that's what the show is about is like they just fucking once they know The mom is down there. They just go and as the show progresses I'm into it. It's pretty cool like the the rate of learning new things versus new mysteries are rising is The exact opposite of attack on Titan. Yeah, it's like you actually keep learning new stuff meeting new people people who tell you stuff And just as it is into a little they also show you as you're going deeper seeing more stuff You know as the characters go deeper and getting into trouble and out of trouble and whatnot They don't they don't hot It's like the top part of the world that you got used to in the first two episodes They still keep flashing up there showing you with those other Interesting thing the plot Progresses on the surface even though based on everything you know there is literally no way these characters could ever return Like this is a one-way trip and yet you keep seeing the pot Maybe they could stay down there until they become so white whistles strong true Cuz many many years in the future if they somehow survive in the abyss for the super long time like a decade or two Then they could come back up because one thing we do know leveled up enough black Maybe if they found some powerful artifact that allowed them to come back up black whistles and blue whistles Or maybe they could defeat the curse of the abyss and beat the final boss and then anyone everyone could come back up Of course defeat just removed removing the curse might be a bad idea. I don't know I don't know enough because even watching the whole first season I don't know enough about the abyss to know if that's even a thing that you can do but Black whistles and blue whistles like they go pretty deep like way deep and come back up And once you watch the show a little bit and you see like what level two is like and they're like yeah These blue whistles are down and like level four just fucking around like okay. That's interesting I guess that's what a like 17th level Bard can do but the white whistles are Very much not quite human anymore. No, they're all really weird Like I don't want I won't spoil anything about this character But the first white whistle you meet is Ozen the immovable and holy shit that character Very very powerful individual that is a fascinating character with some like insane strength Like you meet a I think a blue whistle or black whistle the dwarf looking guy. Oh my god He's basically like the uncle. I love that guy. He looks like you know Typical RPG like fat dude with a with a blue dough beard the guy who's like way dangerous But everyone underestimates him right he meets the kids like pretty deep early on in their adventure He's like whoa, what are you doing down here? And they're like we're fucking going for it He's like all right cool. Well, he's friendly and good guy, but it's like he's not white whistle He's like one under that but he's like right, but he's but he's way super strong and super fast And he can you know, he's like whoa, and he's like do you need help? He's the one who brings back the mom stuff to begin with yeah And they're like no no we're going for it, and he's like okay just heads up Ozan the immovable watch out watch out the Occasionally the show edges a little too much into a character explaining something But it usually then immediately escalates. I mean explaining something is better than not explaining Especially when it's a show that's a hundred percent focused on this one secret of space with no other stuff going on Like it doesn't get into like the explaining is so it's not like there's like a lot of character dramas or other things to spend their time on It's like the whole show just spends all its time It doesn't get into the light novel translated into an anime problem where it's just characters fucking explaining everything and nothing No, it doesn't happen. It's a manga. So I don't know if it's a light novel or not I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it was originally a manga. I don't know how far the manga goes I want to find way beyond where the show was so far. Do you know that for sure? Yeah, so I should read the manga the manga is still going right, but the manga is out in English at least a few volumes Yeah, 2012 it started. It's still going but it goes beyond what the anime does Yes, so I should read it and to know more right now or Wait because I I feel like you'll spoil a lot of stuff for the anime I don't know if I want to read the manga instead and just because the anime the one problem with this show is That based on having watched the show and based on having read a little bit of the manga Pretty sure Akihito Tsukushi, the guy who wrote the manga is a pervert. Mmm. That is true of many The anime tones it down and the show and we've been saying this a lot now in our own lives Some anime have something I like to call the anime tax meaning if a person who is not steeped in the world of like The shit that happens in anime because of the way anime is watches certain shows They can't deal with it and have to pay the tax like kill I kill if you show it to your mom She'll be you'll be trying to explain the complex metaphor of clothing and presentation and everyone's naked with boobies all And your mom's gonna be like why isn't that girl wearing pants? Yeah, so Every now and then this show will Something'll happen and they'll be naked 12 year olds and you'll be like okay That was weird, but then we just moved on and it it could be innocent But you don't know but having looked at the manga Yeah, we know the a yeah So it seems like in this world Carrot like adults will just to punish children string them up by ropes naked and upside down for like a day as a Like that's the equivalent of spanking in this world and that is brought up more than once There's also multiple scenes where she's like going swimming just gets naked just in care. Yep, which Basically the main character a 12 year old girl is naked frequently more often than is Prudent or comfortable for the robot boy who is her companion and friend They take these on multiple occasions They specifically call out how he has a human penis that works well because she keeps checking it out There's even a scene in which he is aroused while they're in like swimming or something and A 12 year old robot boy and a 12 year old girl due to the nature of the abyss There are a lot of because this show gets really really dark and Violent and difficult to watch so these irrespective of that right? So you have these character designs like Monica right that are super super cutesy They're not like SD, but they're like one step above SD And then but like breaking an arm is hyper realistic, right? They're like they have broken all they break an arm They're like vomiting and and all kinds of horrible horrible things are happening characters dangerous and urinating themselves due to pain happens kind of often frequently yes now to Despite having said all that the anime does a good job of minimizing the occasional weird things and it doesn't Intrude into the show enough to say it's where I would say you shouldn't watch it the show is still really good that stuff is definitely Sidelined and could be interpreted as innocent and just part of this world and part of the show But be warned that if you are uncomfortable watching very cute characters who are Presented as like 12 year old kids being hard being horribly mangled by a monster. Yeah Experiencing the reality of traumatic injury The show is not for you. No But I've thoroughly enjoyed the show and I'm going to watch the sequel Yeah, I mean, it's it's I'm not gonna say it's like the best show ever But it's a very good very good show and I want to mostly just you know It managed to provide a secret of space that was good It made me want to know it it made me want to know it's not like I don't care Yeah, I really want to know and it managed to not do a Attack on Titan where the answer is bullshit at least yet and it managed to also Give information at like a pretty good clip without spilling all the beans It like continued to spill meaningful beans not bullshit beans like alright They just keep giving you you learn more and more about the abyss and it you know, you're moving right along yeah, and I guess if you liked shows like Madoka Magica or Shinsekai yori from a new from the new world like there's interest overlap there with those kinds of shows I Don't know if we should but I think we should maybe do a separate like final thoughts episode, but Maybe wait until you see more seasons. Yeah, but I will say this 13 Maybe we should wait at least 26. I didn't want to avoid spoilers, but if you read the prince and nothing This abyss feels a lot like Golgotha like a lot And Like those eggs like those weird egg-looking things that nobody knows what they do Yeah, like you find like find these egg-looking things in the upper levels. They're like weird technology like they're and there's tons of them Yeah, and they go deeper and they find more but when the ones that are deeper are more complicated But they're not worth anything because no one knows what to do with them Yeah, like some of the artifacts like at least they do something useful, but Yeah, some of them they figured out what they do But like the girl has to learn to like not pick all this stuff up on her way the inventory management is a big part of the show It's very JRPG because they might not only going up is difficult enough now You're gonna carry a bunch of heavy shit. Yeah, like you went down there to collect artifacts So now you're going like in PUBG and carrying things died. You really need another scope You only have one rifle just like leave it there. It's fine. Well, what if the next guy comes and gets it now They got a scope. Yeah, well then pick it up and like throw it in the water or something I wish there was easier ways to do that. Yeah, I leave stuff out and try to leave traps or it doesn't work No, but anyway, if you could make traps in PUBG, that would be great That's for night almost has stuff like that like you can build structures and like fortifications Anyway Yeah, I don't really want to spoil anything about this show But yeah, if you need it if you like a fantasy anime, that's you know got some JRPG elements This is the best new anime I've watched in a while like a terrible secret of space Then this is 13 episodes for you in the US if you want to watch it legally I could only find it an Amazon Prime's if the Amazon Prime Yeah, you can watch it for zero dollars because you've already paid for it And if you don't have Amazon Prime Find some other way to watch it. I don't know Oh, and I guess because I kept asking this question You see a lot of art and a lot of memes and a lot of Twitter chatter about this show But they pretty much only show the rabbit girl The rabbit girl doesn't actually show up until like the end of the season Yeah, but the rabbit girl is like this is that show if you've seen people like sharing images of this rabbit girl all over And a Twitter. This is the show that is from This has been Geek Nights with Rima and Scott special thanks to DJ pretzel for the opening music catlee for web design and