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All right, here comes the show Do you want a youthful hormone profile? Tell your body to build muscle. All right, you know, it's funny when I talk about Resistance training of strength training on you know, because obviously I wrote with the book that I wrote the resistance training revolution One of the things that people find the most fascinating is the effects that strength training has on your hormones Now studies will show that it consistently raises testosterone in men balances out estrogen progesterone women You get a nice insulin response growth hormone cortisol becomes healthier response And and what it does is it looks like the kind of youthful Hormone profile that everybody's after so the question is always like why does strength training do that? And it's because when you send a signal to your body to build muscle That's the that's the step before the muscle build building actually happens Your body's telling your hormones organize themselves in a way to build muscle And so it looks like a youthful hormone profile So the second question is why do we have that hormone profile when we're youthful? Your body's building and growing when you're youth when you're now is this in the context of You're doing all the right things to build muscle for you to have this youthful type hormone profile Or is it just simply if I am training to send a muscle building signal to my body ie lifting weights I'm gonna get the benefits of that. Well, don't you still have to have all the other You have to have everything in Alignment in order to be effective in building. Yeah, I mean you can send a allowed muscle building signal and get no sleep Right, that's my that's my point. So it's not like your wheels. Hey, all you do is go lift weights No, but it is it is the key, right? Because when your body's a big rock of the yeah Because when it says when it when it's like, okay, we need to build muscle What it does is it starts to organize its hormones in a way to do that And so that's why you see this raise of testosterone You know the other thing you see in man, which is I think even more important than the testosterone raising is The up regulation of androgen receptors, right? So these are the receptors that testosterone attaches to so and in studies They show that it's not so much testosterone levels that'll dictate How much strength and muscle a man will build but rather how many androgen receptors they have So like a guy with high testosterone with low androgen receptor density isn't you do as well as a guy with lower testosterone With more androgen receptors So when you lift weights your body opens up more of these androgen receptors making it more sensitive to Testosterone why again because your body's like, okay, we need strength. We need muscle Let's organize things in a way to promote that and the only time in your life One of the only times in your life when this is just Happens for you is when you're you're a teenager when you're growing like you go from the age of like 15 to 19 If you're a guy you don't need to lift weights to build muscle just kind of starts to happen now Is it always beneficial to have more androgen receptors or is there some time? Is there sometimes a drawback to that is it all positive having more if it's natural if it's natural? Yes, of course I'm assuming there could be an extreme case But I'm not aware of what that would look like but what that would mean is more drive motivation energy fat loss Muscle building you'd have better insulin sensitivity. So lower risk of things like diabetes diabetes lower rates of dementia and Alzheimer's Which this has all been you know connected to and then in women by the way You know we talk about testosterone. We always talk about men testosterone plays a very important role in women as well and of course their bodies have much less of it but low testosterone of women Causes the same effects that you see in men low libido low drive higher body fat less muscle You know less energy so you know these beneficial effects from testosterone happen for women as well Now what's not going to happen for women is their testosterone levels aren't going to go so high that they get you know Masculinizing effects that's not going to happen from lifting weights it stays within the kind of healthy range or whatever Yeah, I just think like in terms of like muscle building being the fountain of youth when you look at the gym And you see like somebody older with like a decent amount of muscle You can see it all the way from like the youthfulness in their skin too as well It seems that like you know not only are they strong and able-bodied in their movement and everything looks you know more youthful But also it seems to carry over into you know the other you said fountain of youth It's a hundred percent right if you if you're older Okay, when I was a trainer towards the end of my career I started really I got a lot of clients that were in advanced age and Yeah, yes, if you improve your health generally and you're older you're gonna see improvements in age related You know disease and chronic pain a lot stuff, but man strength training There was nothing there was nothing that I could do like getting them a little stronger build more muscle That would have more of a positive impact. It was dramatic the impact that you know adding four pounds of muscle on a 65 year old was like we would instantly see you know blood sugar better We would instantly see blood lipids get better hormone levels better. They'd feel totally different It was overall look is so different than say somebody who's just been driving the cardio button the whole time too with the Oxidative stress and like what that does you know to their skin and their youthfulness now How much of this do you think is attributed to the actual muscle that they end up building? And how much of it is based off the behaviors that they put in place in order to build that muscle, right? Because if you if you are Adding four to ten pounds of muscle on your body There's some things that you're doing right like you're eating adequate protein You're probably getting enough rest and recovery you're lifting weights consistently So I wonder how much of the the healthy hormone profile that you see is directly attributed to the actual Process of building muscle or it's also connected to a lot of the behaviors that are in place in order to do that It's both but in there's interesting studies done on for example on the severely obese where they'll have them gain a little bit of muscle and you'll see these really wonderful improvements in insulin resistance in older men with low testosterone They give them testosterone shots right to get their levels up to a better, you know healthier higher range within range No, they don't work out. They're not doing anything else All they did was send a hormone signal to build muscle and what do you see, you know reduce risk of diabetes They gain a little bit of muscle They start to burn more body fat. You see improved cognition Better blood flow all those different things from the muscle that comes from the testosterone signal So it's both. It's definitely both But but as you get older one of the interesting thing that happens that is really starting now get connected to age-related disease and and chronic illness is just the loss of muscle which then is loss of bone and You see all these terrible effects. So yeah, if you want younger hormone profiles like to get your body Set up to build muscle as it does it It shifts everything in that direction. I can't think of a more Effective single thing you could do that's gonna do that for you. That's natural That doesn't you know, you don't need to take exogenously or whatever So yeah, it's one of those things that nobody talks about really because we compare like exercise benefits different forms of exercise, but the hormone changes that you get from strength training are Head and shoulders superior to when you compare head-to-head right to other forms of exercise. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cool How was uh, how was your trip over to Austin? Oh, it was great, man It was it was really really cool. So I went over there on my way to obviously we all went to Florida Yeah, and I met with Nick bear. Yeah, Nick bear his pot great guy great group of feeling you were gonna like him Really really cool guy. He showed me his warehouse with the you know, the company's been Crushing Now he's a big runner guy. So this is the one the one piece. I was really interesting because I know he's ultra Marathon you marathon guy like so. No, he's all of it. He started out hardcore bodybuilding. Oh, yeah And then he got into some of these like Not you know endurance stuff, but more so it's like testing your will type of stuff. That's what he likes to do Like a Joe to Cena. Yeah, you know, it's funny He told me so he went and trained for a iron man of it And he eliminated strength training completely because he thought that would be help his performance And he goes man, this is on his podcast that he'll release where he interviewed me He was man. It was weird watching the changes of my body. He goes I started storing body fat in weird places Obviously, I was losing muscle my metabolism was slowing down even though I was doing so much activity Training for you know, this this iron man event and then I got my hormones tested He goes my testosterone was in the floor and he's like man I so he was the next one that I trained for I made sure to incorporate a little bit of strength training Just to kind of maintain that and he said it was it was totally different. Oh, but anyway great great I mean you ever meet people and just like man, these are like really good. Yeah, really really good people That's cuz really awesome. That's really and then we went to Florida to get old sunny state, you know, we get asked a lot Right, I think everybody's been had experiences when you're being interviewed by somebody or we're meeting someone And like one of the most common questions I get asked are You know, what has been the most memorable moment for my pump And I think that every time that I've answered that question I think I've shared something different and it's always like whatever's top of mind for me or like the last You know most recent like oh, that was so amazing. There are a lot of memorable moment Right, that's what I mean There's so many of them that we've had that have been amazing and that you know Depending on when you ask me what I've been thinking about I probably have a different answer I think that for the first time There'll be a universal answer for all of us from the experience that we had in Florida for quite some time It'll be interesting how long it will take before that trip of that experience is topped at least for me Well, we went to interview Tony Robbins who I mean the guy is probably one of the most. He's one of the most influential people I guess in America and he has been for decades He's the only common one that we all had you know that right? So when we first started the podcast we all kind of individually made this list including Doug of like all the top And everybody had like their unique stuff like Justin had some rockers on there I had some athletes on there Sal had some politicians and so what we all had some like random It's like Tony Robbins was the single guest that I think each one of us had on their list when we first started Which is kind of cool that this here we are you know It was a surreal experience. Well, he's a remarkable individual so we could talk about that as well But man, we get to his his gorgeous home and first of all a very nice guy met his staff Yeah, what was really cool was to see that some of his staff was big fans of our show Which is probably why we got invited to his home. I'm sure it was his real smart trainer Yeah, and his trainer was cool guy also loved the show and everybody was super nice Like really really good people and they had nothing but incredible things to say about him In fact, they kept talking about how he's just like such a genuine authentic, which is 100% the vibe We all got I think that we all said that after we left but we get there and First of all, he's a great guy huge presence not just because he's physically big dude But just he's got this energy about him, right? Very warm makes you feel at home right away Shows us around a little bit and then dude. He takes us in that that garage I did not expect anything any of that at all. Well, I feel like we were in that other part of the house Just so that they could like set this all up So we had this like crazy experience, which was like just mind-blowing Like it just kind of came out of left field when we walked into that room and saw You know some of his exotic cars and then all of a sudden he kind of surprised us Oh, dude, it was it was it was like we went to Bruce Wayne's house. Yeah I think the best analogy is that Charlie in the chocolate factory It felt like Willy Wonka and we were like the kids that were wait We got the golden ticket. We got to come in and because there's no I mean no cameras, right? There's no no videos of this inside inside of his house And we're cool talking about we had to we had to sign all kinds of stuff before we went in there So they're very very particular about what you know taking photos or any videos So the experience is something that you know, I don't I don't know how many total people have got to go in his house Like that, but I know there's there's you can't find anything and we could we could talk in detail about what we like Some of the stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I know I was like waiting. Well, I want to respect his privacy But so I'll tell you a little bit how I experienced I'm sure all because you know what it was it was like You ever do something and then afterwards you're like trying to process everything because it was so much to There's so much to look at and take in it was just like yeah, it was like a whirlwind So I'll tell you my experience. I would love to hear what you guys, you know kind of went through But we walk into this garage and first of all, there's this priceless Ferrari That is in this garage that none of us even talked about because that's how crazy everything else was no And it was on one of those showroom kind of displays where you could like turn it's a turntable. Yeah, that rotates Drive it in it right turns around and I don't know what else it does None of us said anything by the way any other circumstance. I would have been all over this car There was you guys told me there was other cars. I didn't even see him. Oh, yeah Like it just didn't even register, but here's the case. So that we walk in we see this in credit This but we didn't talk about the car nothing because he walks over and there's like this metal There's a submarine door a hatch He pushes a button The hatch goes up and there's this blue light and this hole that's in this hatch Yeah, he's like all right. You got it. You know follow me or whatever and he's talking about in and he literally jumps in this hole and It looks like he slides down and disappears. Yeah now I'm like what the hell's going on and knowing, you know stuff about him I'm like am I gonna go in and like are we gonna end up in like shark-infested waters? Cuz he's like you start walking a coals. Yeah Is it gonna be something weird where he's gonna like, you know, totally cross your mind What's going on right? What's going on? What are we gonna end up? You know like he's gonna like, you know transform us You know he does that right and he literally by the way, he's like 60-something-year-old dude He just dives in he's gone. He went for it. He's like all right follow me and he takes off So I'm like, okay, so I leap in right after him and it is One of the fastest slides ever been done in my entire life. Yeah, you're like what it's way longer than you think Yeah, yeah, and you're going down in this tube and You end up in this underground like area. That's just ridiculous. It's an underground mansion Yeah, that's insane. There was like this indoor basketball court where the lines were Made up or like set by lasers so you could push a button It could turn into a squash court could turn a basketball court turn to something else There were two bowling alleys, you know, there was which I gotta say too I think that they put like our names out there like they were anticipating that we were gonna play I know I'm so mad that we did we only had certain amount. Yeah, I am and I'm not right So that we at least they set it up so we could play around a little bit But we only had we had a very small window with two I mean the guy was literally on TV right before he was on making Kelly before us and then right off to another right off To afterwards. Yeah, dude is super super So any time that we spent kind of messing around we would have we would have got less time with getting to talk to him So that part I don't regret not playing around because we would have played around he'd be like See you guys see you guys go. Oh, there's so much more about this underground area All the sports memorabilia wasn't seen the guy so he's so influential and connected and and then we have this then There's a stage area obviously for media and that's where we sit down To interview him and then we have you know great conversation with the guy So part of the reason why I think that we all had such an amazing experience is that and we talked more about this Off-air that although we've shared a little bit on air is a lot of times The people that we get to meet We're we're super excited to meet them Because whatever they don't whatever accolades whatever book they've done or whatever stuff They've done the inventor or writer or famous actor or whatever that we get to meet and then you meet them And it's such a letdown a lot of times which I get right because you blow people up in your head, right? Yeah, you don't know it's partially our fault It's also partially that's kind of what you see in Celebrities many times is they have this persona that they've created for themselves or they've manufactured somehow And then you meet them and they're just it doesn't really align with what you thought right? And so I think we all kind of go we're all a little jaded because of that So when we we go into meeting him or we're all kind of like well, we'll see you know We'll see if he's not this you know big old dude that you know puts on a facade like he's full of energy and positive And you know authentic and then we'll meet him almost and he I think he did All those totally exceeded what I what I would have imagined the guy is just his presence is very very I mean You can see why for decades this guy's been So inflamed, you know, it's crazy and I told this story on our interview with him on the flight there So serendipitous I sit next to a 60-something-year-old dude who literally sold his billion-dollar company talked about how you know We were talking about his success and he asked me what I was doing on this plane We know why I was going to Florida I said I'm interviewing Tony Robbins and he goes dude He goes when I was 26 he goes I was on the wrong path man He goes and I bought some of Tony Robbins video cassettes VHS and it changed my life and it's what brought me here today I'm like what yeah like talk about like who has this kind of impact on people and I've heard stories like that There's so many of those stories. I mean I had a few I was gonna try and bring up But you try to get word in you know when he's going was impossible, but yeah I mean like the way I ran my business was Indirectly because of my friend that went through his course and just thought completely differently about it and Was able to kind of realize his value and then charge more money and then in fact You know inspired me to go with that business model And so it's just like the trickling effect he's been able to you know really helps so many people out Yeah, his philanthropy really blew me away Insane the amount of giving that he does and how many people helps and he was talking about how that makes him feel You know really good and happy and how it comes back to him and all that stuff But it's very authentic because you could tell that that's what brings him. Yeah joy that that's why he enjoys being successful So we can do that and you can tell you know, you can tell You can tell a lot about someone by the people that they surround themselves with and when we met his team Because we went to a when we first got there. We had to wait for him, right? He was still doing his making Kelly interview and we're in this like guest house And which is by the way a gorgeous house by itself. Yeah, but we're in there guest house is bigger and nicer than my But we're over there and it's gorgeous And you know we're sitting there waiting and then his staff comes in to meet us and Mike us up and the way they talked About him, you know, you could tell like he's it wasn't just like this is my boss And I got to be whatever they were saying some really really nice things Oh, yeah, that's how you can really tell us the way other people talk about him Yeah, and so he was yeah, I know he exceeded I think my expectations But it was one of those things as like I'm processing for a few days afterwards. I'm like did I actually see this And it still hasn't it still hasn't like completely set in I think I mean so okay I'm a huge fan of the old show the lifestyles of the rich and famous. I love I've seen every episode of that I've seen every episode of MTV MTV cribs. So that I just I've always been into that stuff So the experience of going into a house like that. I mean I doubt I'll ever Experience anything else like that in my lifetime anything get the full picture of this is a it's a 15,000 square foot mansion on Palm Beach, right? So when you first walk in it's you know He's and when you walk through these this big entryway You've got these floor to ceiling windows Facing the infinity pool that goes out into the ocean on Palm Beach And then the thing that we're the room we're talking about this underground. I mean this is underground mansion It's another 10,000 square feet with also vault. So it's not like you go down underground and it's like this Most people okay. Yeah, I wouldn't you know picture these like small like low ceilings Yeah, you got like still again 24 foot tall ceilings under ground on that slide for like 10 seconds Yeah, yeah, so it's it's well did you see to from the house to there like it was we're walking back to the house I was like, oh, yeah You guys started out here and then like went all the way over basically underneath that part of the house I was like, whoa, that was far and I imagine there I think it was Doug and I were talking about this that there's probably laws around well You know, he can't build up. So when he bought that mansion, he probably couldn't add higher because you're on the ocean So I imagine you there's laws that protect people from building of the view Structing the view for other people. So his only option was probably to go down and to build something that big underground And then of course to have a you know submarine trap door with a slide to lead you to it Dude like the little kid in me 100% I felt like I was you know, 14 years old Yeah, you know thinking about like my dream, you know underground cave man cave that I would build You know, you know, it's really cool Those when I told him a story about the guy I sat next to in the plane I could tell he got moved by it. So that felt very authentic and then when he talked about his Work like he's he's on his on the way to feeding over a billion people through some of his charity work Mm-hmm. And when he would talk about the philanthropy stuff, that's when he would light up the most You could see that's when he felt the most like alive Like this is why this is what I really love to do and that really I mean I felt that he's on he's on pace Right now to feed a billion a billion people like just let that sink in a minute like to what you would what? How much money would take to feed a billion people? That's the same. That's wild. Yeah, it's total It's totally I didn't know that his lap the last three books including the life force Which is the one that we went there to kind of talk to him about all the proceeds are completely donated. Yeah Yeah, he's using it He writes them and then what he makes off of them is what he uses to the thing That's crazy to me about that is like and that just proves your point about how motivated and driven he is To to give and to help others is this dude is like on a grind in a hustle to get the word out I mean, I've seen him all over all your biggest podcasts and TV shows and to think that he's not It's not coming back in his pocket and he's grinding and hustling like that to push it as much as he possibly can Yeah, it says a lot about his character. Yeah, really really cool, but it's sorry. I couldn't stay as long I know Good old time in the sun and the beach Would you guys do the day I left you guys so we kind of hung out there a bit longer? And we're just having some nice drinks. I went in the ocean a few times and so Adam was like adamant about like ordering this banana drink And so it was like some banana daiquiri or whatever and then he's like trying to remember You said something about like when you're in Jamaica, you had a very specific drinking He's like here dude order this drink for me. It's it's called dirty banana, and I'm just like What a dirty banana? I'm like I am not ordering I'm not ordering that dude. That's a total setup So you got on give me a dirty banana He wouldn't even order because I'm like just order it so I ordered it It's I don't know exactly what's that mean Justin wouldn't know better than me What's inside these drinks like it's it's a drink in Jamaica. It's really popular and it's and I think it's called the dirty banana And it's basically just like a banana daiquiri. I mean it's like so it's not a it's not a prank. No, it wasn't a prank at all I haven't heard funny about it was Justin was so resistant to like doing he thought I was setting him up And I'm like no bro. It's really a good drink. I don't know if they have it here I said it's really and so we asked the guy and he he based I know there's something. I was like Yeah, also can you get me a rusty trombone? Can you give Doug a dirty chanches? So fuzzy wambler actually have the breakdown what's in it Doug? Yeah, so you got white rum Kahlua banana flavored a flavored liqueur light cream whole milk one banana and Put a cherry on a cherry. Oh, that sounds like candy. It's good. That sounds like I did not try it. Unfortunately I shouldn't have any right Justin. I had a banana one. I didn't have the dirty banana Hmm. Oh, you didn't have the one that you didn't right? Yeah I had the other one the first one you got he likes clean banana. I like the clean I don't like getting it dirty. So he didn't know that the guy didn't know the name He just said like I can make you a banana type daiquiri and I said, okay Yeah, it's cool. So you guys just hung out and got nice son and relax. Oh, yeah Yeah, we did that. Then we went to a really nice dinner that night. So yeah, we had a steak Do we kind of the meat market is that the meat market? Yeah, yeah shot I wish I remember the person, you know, who Slid in the DM's and sent me places recommend. Yeah, there was a guy that was a local guy I apologize for not remembering your Instagram handle, but he you know DM me saying like hey I hope you enjoy my town and if you have any questions. I said, well, actually I'm sure one night will go out and have a nice dinner. Do you have a good steak place? And so he listed a couple of them and we went to this one was a legit way So I didn't know this existed right here So Doug was kind of schooling us on so I always thought that you know, once you hit Wagyu, that's it Like it doesn't get any crazier that but then there's Japanese Wagyu. Yeah, that's rated like Wagyu. So I had an a5 Japanese Wagyu steak. So how much did I pay for your steak? Yeah, this is a company. Yeah It was definitely one of the most expensive steaks that I've ever had so I tasted I've had little bits of it like the There's a steakhouse over here in Cupertino and they they was I don't remember It was like a small sample of it that you could buy and it was like butter It was like it melts right Justin had the Justin had the filet and Doug and I had the ribeye of the Japanese five Wagyu And it was it was best take around. Unbelievable. Is this where they feed the the cows beer and the massage? Yeah, that's my understanding of the process So typically you think of it as Kobe beef, but yeah the a5 Japanese version is different from the a5 American version So, okay, we explain to me Doug. It goes Kobe Wagyu Japanese Wagyu, you know, honestly I don't know all the distinctions. So Kobe beef is typically Wagyu means just basically Japanese beef Okay Yeah, and the Kobe beef is what's known to be so tender because of the process that they use Yes, I mean if you look at a piece of Wagyu meat, it's like it's just like Such a symmetrical Yeah, and it's so much fat that it's almost Pinkish because of the red Just opposed against the white but because it's so thin You don't get like that like, you know when you get like a ribeye sometimes It has like a quarter inch of fat all the way on the edge, you know, and it's like really fatty It's so thin that you never feel like you're eating it's all in there Yeah, it's all yes all dispersed throughout the meat rather than in big chunks, you know down the side It'll give you a little bit of salt on it. Yeah, you would yeah, I would have liked it But I there was no way I would have missed the because this the reason why I came back early was it was the father Daughter dance that we do every year. I do every year my daughter now. They didn't do a dance So no way I'll miss that right. There's only one year that I missed that that was the year I took her to Disneyland because I missed it Had to make up the first year of mine pump wasn't it? Yeah, I think they're second, right? So I obviously I came home early the next day was that now they didn't do a dance this year And I'm assuming it's because of whatever COVID or whatever. So they did a father daughter Adventure, but it's kind of like a scavenger hunt. Hmm. And so it was competitive. Well, it wasn't supposed to be right You're supposed to show up. It always turns into that. Well, so we're supposed to my daughter is a beast Like she's so competitive. I totally love it. So wait till we talked about this and I said, hey We're supposed to show up they give us instructions We do certain things take pictures apparently and then we come back and we get a prize And she's like, let's be first and I mean my heart. So let's be my heart just warms up. Let's be the best dad Yeah, I'm just like, oh man. I love this girl. So I'm like, let's do it So we get there we show up we do the thing we show up We cry apparently we blew everyone away with and I now I now truth be told I don't think anybody else Was trying to win or be first But my daughter definitely wanted to so we did that and then later that night I took her to her first really quote-unquote fancy restaurant, which was really fun, right? So she's 12 nice and we I said, you know, get a nice dress So her mom bought a real nice dress for her or whatever, which by the way She's at the age now where it's like the teen kind of clothes, right? So she had this really pretty dress on but she wore a cardigan because the back was like straps or whatever So I'm already like I'm inside of me like damn it like my daughter's getting the age No, but anyway, I pick her I bought her flowers I buy her flowers every time and I open the door make sure to like I said the whole goal with this It's to set the standard so high that douchebags just don't even get in the door and I even close not even close Right, so do the whole thing flowers open doors for the first time she's ever been to a restaurant like this So we walk in and right away they hand us this like you'll hear some You know special bone broth or whatever it's like the whole thing already, right? So she's taking she's like what's this I said Oh, they just give you this when you first come in or whatever then they lead us back and then there's this big window It's that be steka in in the prune yard great restaurant So you see like all the chefs and stuff cooking so she's like immediately Taking videos of everything, you know, then we sit down and she's you could tell she's like this is like this place Is really fancy. I said, oh, it's really cool, right? Then she's commenting on everything She's like they take our silverware between every dish like why are they doing that? I like this is kind of what they do and then she goes to the bathroom at one point comes back She's like they folded my napkin. I said, oh, right? She tried everything which she's not you know, she's a kid, right? But now she's getting a little older, but you know kids they don't want to try everything, you know They they want their thing Well, she totally was down so we ordered all kinds of different things and although she didn't you know eat a lot of everything She actually tried everything which was really cool So that was fun taking videos and pictures and then the waiter one of the waiters came up and he's like hey man Are you taking your daughter on a day? He's like that's so cool, you know, so I know it's cool Cuz I was in front of my daughter so I you know she got to see that but we had a blast man We had a lot of fun took her home and so yeah, I wouldn't have missed that for the world So yeah, it would have been fun to stay with you guys, but I get it no way in hell I would have missed pretty cool no way in hell I would have missed so what I mean the scavenger hunt like how does it how does it work? I mean, I know what a scavenger hunt is But what are you guys they called it an adventure? But basically it was like go to this address take a picture with this thing do this one thing you're driving Yeah, so it was like through the town. It was yeah. Oh interesting. So it was cool It was fun, you know, but like I said my daughter's like so competitive. She's like do this. Just do that Okay, which one's closer. We'll go to that one first. She's like speeding habits probably help I Don't drive fast speaking of fast stuff, huh? Looks like I got quickly booted off Instagram never Done man. It's really interesting You know, I've heard some people that go through this and it takes a while sometimes like I mean my optimistic brain says You know some algorithm thing got tripped Because of something you did or people reporting here some shit And then they have to kind of fact-checked and figured all out and then you'll get it back Hopefully well, so I got a message. So here's what happened. I go to good on Instagram I get a message and it says there's suspicious activity or whatever. We need to verify that you're that this is you So I did because I have this verification where they send me a code I send it in whatever and then it said we'll let you know within roughly 24 hours if you're verified or whatever Anyway, that was over a week ago. Yeah, I was gonna say how many days have been since and now leading up to this I will say this I was getting and I don't know what Instagram is doing with their algorithm I was getting warnings on memes. First of all, I post memes in the story. They disappear after 24 hours, right? I was getting warnings on memes that I posted two years ago. Yeah, I would get it really Yeah, they would show oh this meme went against our community guidelines I'm like, dude, I posted that two years ago and it was for stupid stuff It was like silly like this one meme or this this guy It was like a funny meme and the guy's like, oh, I'm gonna kill myself It's like you should not post self-harm, you know suicide whatever. I'm like what like this is silly Like it was dumb. Anyway, that led up to and then on other stuff. I had been getting Accounts that were copying me exactly. They would just change one letter. Yeah, I got that right now And yeah, so someone's after us, bro. I think you're next. Yeah, I don't know if they're out I mean what I see with the copying us is once I mean, it's really popular right now the scams online Especially with the whole NFT. It's all the crypto. Yeah, the grip Yeah, everyone's making so much money off crypto And you got all these people that have FOMO and then they find someone like us who have Because obviously there's much bigger accounts that you can copy this But I think what's most tempting about our accounts is how our community how active our community is So we're the engagement on our pages are is really high And so I think you get these these scam artists that see that And they copy all of our photos and pictures they change like they change the eye to an L Right lower based L. So at the exact same thing at first glance it looks literally spot on All your posts all your pictures. Yeah, so it's a and then what they do is they Start following some of the people that are following you and they DM. I'm like, oh, I got this great, you know Investment opportunity or some yeah now. Luckily. I didn't get anybody that's a follower that told me they got scammed Most people kind of laughed it off and said like, oh, I got so excited because you followed me this morning Found out it wasn't you so I hadn't got anybody tell me like they they bid on how much does that even work And this kind of leads me into like so the the crypto stuff like so there was a commercial for the super bowl That was really annoying. So it was like they tried to make it. You know how you had a screensaver a long time ago Where it's like I read about going across the screen the the qr code, you know that crashed their site Did it it got it was so effective that it crashed their site I was wondering how effective it was going to be because I did I was curious enough to like see where it led Hella people did that the course. It's a crypto. Yeah. No, I so I did a thing I don't know if you guys saw my story But I asked everybody to DM me their favorite commercials as they were coming in or what like that That was one of the top ones was everyone thought that was was really clever. That's one of those things that will work once Oh, yeah No, no, yeah, if you saw it again, you'd be like, no, how frustrated would you be if you're the CEO of coinbase? You did that it was but then your shit crashed. It was so effective. Yeah. Oh, I would be so you can't capture all those leads coming I would be brutal so pissed off. Now. Did you did you watch did you watch commercials and some of that? I watched stuff about it, you know, I don't give a crap about it But I watched stuff about sports balls. So did you so you didn't catch all the commercials that the amazon one I thought was really good. Uh, jeff bezels put it on his instagram like a like a week before whatever So I kind of got those. I already knew it was coming Um, but I think it was one of the better ones. It was like, uh, the what's not see what's there? They're not seary. They're uh, what's amazon's? Alexa, thank you Is learns to predict what you're thinking And so it's just like commercial with husband and wife and they're like, oh, that was pretty yeah It was pretty funny. So it had the and it starts off like the the predictive capabilities really great It's like, oh something spilled or before something happened already Alexa ordering paper towels some shit like that, right? So it was like really quick they're all eating oysters and it said something like, you know, uh that They're they're blaming the guy that like he left them out overnight if it tastes weird Yeah, it was a So it started getting really funny because it was like husband and wife Like, you know, the husband would be telling the story and then it'd be what the wife was really thinking All of a sudden Alexa would like turn on the blender. You know what I'm saying? So we could hear Yeah Yeah, that was like the other the wife really wanted him to like be somewhere She had a special thing that was coming up and it was like fake your death But like that so it was it was pretty that was clever. I thought all I saw because I saw stuff about it And they're all kind of mediocre the thing that I noticed because it was in california, right? I was like, wow, look at all these sofi stadium incredible celebrities Not wearing masks in the state that requires masks for everybody Except for the orchestra the orchestra had to wear masks I guess I guess if you make enough money and you're popular enough you don't got to do Because my kids magically like some of the mask mandates like were lifted just a couple days before except for my kids Except for well, as I say california's the rest there's a there's a ton of blue states now that are dropping it like I think Washington, DC just the now. Yeah, I read like five or seven just over the last couple days or starting to drop it So california's kind of the last to get on board with this Real progress, you know forward. I was so and I would I would have so infuriated I've watched these people hanging out right next to each other whatever no problem I still gotta put a mask on my damn kid. I'm just over it. Oh, totally. I'm over on both sides of everybody I feel like move on. That's why I think you see this. I think you feel Here's the thing even the people that were People like kick my off instagram The people that were extreme about it. Even they are like over it. You know, I'm saying I think they're over Wearing the mask in ridiculous places like that or when you're outdoors So I think that that and I they don't want to talk about it, right? Nobody wants to admit that they were way off on it and we're wrong about it So you got those people that are just going to be like, oh, shit. I kind of double triple down on that And it's not looking like that's how it played out, you know Yeah, do you guys so you guys adjust the time change yet? Or wouldn't you guys get back? Yes, we got back late saturday night And I definitely woke up early. Yeah. Yes. I hate that. I was like, oh wow. It's like six o'clock. I hate that But you guys were okay today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys do anything yesterday or just chill? I'd chill. We went to the beach went to the beach and kind of hung out. It was beautiful The you know, of course, there was like 80 degrees here Yeah, the week that we're gone was like some of the best weather at my place So Katrina was texting me. It's 80 here. It's 80. So we went up to half moon bay Kind of up in that direction a little bit my brother had his son's baptism, which was really cool And it was gorgeous. Now every once in a while fog because we were near the beach Fog would roll in and literally the change the temperature change would be like 10 degrees It'd go like 75 65 within five. That's like my place. Yeah places like on a peninsula So like does that so like it'll be warm, you know, it's cool though So we were there family was there hanging out. It was a good time And my dad My brother and I took a picture with my dad and my dad is just you could see the pride In his face, you know, because it's my my brother's first child, right? And I already have kids and there's a picture with me And we'll we'll we'll make sure to give it to andrew here to put on the video So you guys can see it My dad is in between my brother and I and you could just see the The pride in this, you know, this this poor immigrant who came here Who this was his dream, you know to see this with his kids and it was really nice You know, I could see my dad just he was he's not a super emotional But he's a very loving person Yeah, but I could see the the look in his face when we were doing that and have my grandparents there who are That's cool. Yeah, it was really nice and then we got all the all these babies together So I have my son who's 16 months old my cousin's Baby is like a year old my brother's baby's like, you know right around, you know that daddy or a little younger And we got these little boys together and oh man, this is so cool They're all gonna grow up together and you know be real close like we were you know growing up That's awesome. Yeah, you keep getting uh, you're getting all kinds of stuff shipped to you personally What do you got going on? Oh, yeah hustling on the backside or uh, dude? No, no address every time I see a box with you after south for south that kicked off instagram It's like i'm a cool now people send me appreciate No, that's not what happens. So mysterious. No, I'm working with uh, so I got in a phone call with organifi Because they were talking about they wanted to create a new product and they wanted my input Can't talk about what the product's gonna be or what that's gonna look like But the process by which we talk about what to do and what that's gonna look like like they They're great, man They're so so are they already sending you samples? Yeah, I got a sample. Oh shit. That was fast Yeah, I got a sample of what we're gonna try. I'm gonna give you guys some too. Yeah But they're what goes into for example the protein powder like they're very conscious about combining vegan sources to give you a beneficial amino acid profile Digestability obviously taste is really important because vegan proteins typically taste like crap There's obviously you guys know already tastes really good But I was on the I was on the the zoom call with One of the people that develops it like one of the marketing people somebody who knows some of the science of the You know the ingredients and it was yeah, and this was their idea to approach, you know us for input on the product Which is amazing. Yeah, but it's I mean, obviously we've been working with them for a long time It's great to work with a company that is um, you know Conscious like that and smart because the supplement industry definitely has some good Companies that are like that and then there's a lot of crap There's so much crap and garbage oil. We must say no to 50 supplement companies a month at least because they'll send us a product I'll we'll just look at the label and I'll immediately go No, do you think that do you think that's because of how easy it is to get into that market because there's no regulation around it And so like it's literally you could you know put 40, you know 100 bottles together and throw a logo on it Totally and like legally start selling to people first off It's the reason why we have so many incredible Options in the supplement industry why it's okay. I'll give you guys a great example Creatine would not be here if the supplement industry was not as unregulated as it is Creatine got developed in the in the mid 90s or put out in the market in the mid 90s Today and I how many times have I said on the show that creatine is going just gonna ask if you're gonna bring up the article You say because you've been saying that for a long time I've been saying it for years right probably for since we started the podcast that creatine is going to be known as One of the number one health and wellness supplements forget building muscle forget strength. It's great for those things to health and wellness well, there's this huge I guess convention event with scientists and doctors who are going to be presenting there coming up It's gonna they're going to be presenting their studies on creatine's beneficial effects for health cancer alzheimer's Arthritis, you know a diabetes Parkinson's like you name it right? Why because creatine contributes to mitochondrial health and it helps fuel the energy of all yourselves So this supplement which is funny because I remember the 90s Creatine was like because it actually worked. Oh, you shouldn't take creatine. It's a steroid. It's bad for you Whatever. There's lots of misinformation. They're putting out to yes trying to ture it everybody Yeah, but this is a good example, right? Supplementary is unregulated so you're gonna get a lot of crap But you're also gonna get way more opportunities and stuff Presented so you just have to be more of a responsible consumer. That's all that's all it means that you have to make your own choices And there are good companies out there like we talked about like organifi. There's a lot of shit That's out there So you just got to be smart about you know what you pick So I yeah, but definitely because the barrier is low That's why you see a lot of these companies that can put out whatever they want. Justin. Did you watch the Super Bowl? Yeah, I watched it like fully or did you I mean, yeah, it was on the whole time I didn't like I wasn't paying too much attention because my team wasn't there and like I hate the rams. So Oh, who so who was it rams and bangles? It's actually a really good game It was a good game. I mean they kept it close. It was back and forth But uh, I just I mean again unless you're like a fan of those two teams I think it's kind of like whatever so any guesses from you know, I was like Diving into like the how much money these guys make off of stuff like this, right? So did you bet on it? By the way, I didn't actually I had so many people asking to what might take on and I'm glad I did because I I said that I believe the rams are gonna win. I hate to I would hate to bet against joe burrow the line was Uh, um bangles plus four Okay, so that means that the bangles get four extra points. Okay, they lost by three Oh, so I mean that's when it's that close on the line. It's a that's always it's a 50-50 shot You which way you could have bet would have won now how if had you would have bet and be honest Where would you have put your rams? But I would have lost because I would have taken the I would so I don't bet the money line I like to take the points Um, so I would have taken the rams minus three Which means the rams would need to win by four or more for me to have won So I would have lost well, so I so I'm glad I stayed away from it because and that's partly why I did I knew the I knew the bangles were gonna put up a fight and a lot of them a lot of money in vegas was on the bangles Well, it was interesting There was no penalties like the whole game and then all of a sudden like the last drive, you know One of the last drives down there. There's all these flags. Yeah My buddies and I were getting into it a little bit about that because my one of my buddies was really rooting for the Bangles I didn't really have any skin in the game and so I didn't care which way I just wanted a good game Um, and you're right. There was like literally like two penalties whole game Then all of a sudden there was like six at the right there in the red zone right in the red zone now You know a lot of them were I mean you saw the replay I mean it did happen, right? There was yeah, there was some holding and then there was you know some hands and whatnot But it just was they didn't call that before so yeah, so But I mean I I guess I didn't see how egregious it was before so I don't know But of course if you're a bangles fan, that's your your biggest gripe right now is everybody was talking about that Totally, uh, I thought they were fair call. I thought they were fair calls It does suck that they are making them at the very end like that So, you know, I don't know if you saw the replay on the very last play where Aaron Donald come in and basically sacked him Even though he got it off, but he's pretty much sacked him for the win They show, uh, there's there's actually the camera is frozen on chase His number one wide receiver actually, uh, ramsie who's guarding him fell down and he was gone wide open And if he had literally a half a second more that ball is gone and they're they're I thought he almost even got it off To uh, it was the running back that was close and he just like flicked it is getting tackled So let's let's do this. So let's play this game a little bit. We'll see if you guys guess. Okay, so Uh, I I don't know these facts, but this is me kind of estimating based off Sports questions. No, no dollars money like how much money how much do you think first of all? Do you have any idea what the average ticket would cost with the low end the high end? Do you have any idea to go to go what's the low? What's the cheapest nose blade worst seats in the house? I would imagine because at least the prices of everything is exploded that this has to be one of the most expensive super bowl So am I right about that? Yeah, that's what sent me down this path Was exactly that was that because I was Five or 10,000 no not that for a nose bleed for one seat. I mean it was 4,000 So that was mind boggling to me right to know that the the worst seat in the house $4,000. Yeah, like 4,200 Out there's a joke. Yeah. No fourth per seat, right? So if you and your wife are going to the super bowl and want the worst seats in the house, you're spending 8 g's How much are the best seats? Oh best seats would go up where I think the highest was 35,000 So the so the average is like 8,000 So that stadium seats 70,000 people for regular seats They say there's like 20 to 30,000 was standing room only and other things So I'm not I can't guarantee exactly how many other tickets are sold besides the 70,000 seats But of course those were sold out. So you know how much money that is You did the math. Of course. Yeah Almost a billion fucking dollars. Wow I wonder what the profit is. So if it was if they if they actually did a hundred thousand seats Or a hundred thousand tickets at an average ticket price of 8,000 Which is what the average the last two super bowls the average ticket This is higher average ticket price was between seven and eight thousand dollars So you're talking about 700 to 800 thousand dollars. Now if you said only the 70,000 got and then there was no other extra tickets But I don't believe that's true. Uh, you're talking about 560,000. Wait, wait, wait, hold on Five hundred billion dollars. You're talking about half a billion. I said 800 a hundred million. Oh million. You said 800,000. Okay. Oh, sorry. Yeah 800 million. Holy 800 million dollars just factor in to Gavin Newsom's Numbers for how much money california is making That's a good question. That's actually a good question. I don't know. I mean if you factor in Food beverage all the thing like that. So it's that I didn't realize that's a billion. That's a hot dog cost of the super bowl A lot 20 bucks. No, I don't that much but a lot probably like eight. I think like eight bucks I would be surprised if it was 20 bucks. Well, it was okay. So I take that back eight dollars is kind of a typical Hot dog at a game. He's spending four thousand dollars on nosebleed. I would imagine the hot dog is going to be like 20 bucks No, that's a good guess But I mean if you add if you factor in like that plus the tickets I mean you're talking about a billion dollar day of of money right there Just that in itself. Didn't you know, is it true that the day after is like the busiest day for plumbers? What I've heard that is that true? I read that before fun fact. I read somewhere That's so funny because all the shits everybody's doing. Yeah, all the junk food and stuff. Yeah, everybody's just running to the bathroom You gotta look that up Doug. Is that a true stat? I've heard it before. I don't know if it's real if that's just a myth But it makes sense. I didn't I would think it'd be Thanksgiving the day after Thanksgiving But no, I've heard it's a super bowl. I actually haven't been to a super bowl yet and um, and I don't think I ever I don't know if I ever will I that's just to me. It's a lot. You will dude bucket list I'm going maybe dude. So I'm not I mean $4,000 seats is is expensive seats now. I've paid that for basketball before but I'm like On on the court, you know I'm saying because when you're way out, it's the biggest party There is you know the super bowl like that's that's where it's at. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah Hey, did you guys hear the the Just gonna be a crazy left here, but you guys hear the the news around the advancements infusion for energy Yes, I know all in podcast guys are talking about it So yeah, they're making some pretty incredible advancements where oh, it is the day after Thanksgiving. Look at that That is the busiest that makes more sense that makes more sense because you know, I know Thanksgiving what that's all about Anyway, oh, that's funny Uh volume with their what they're literally doing what they're trying to do is literally create many suns in terms of the energy production infusion Is this what that because I remember reading about China having like an artificial sun Isn't it isn't it in the the you know this the new wall street Yeah, with shila bow. Okay, isn't that what isn't that the water fusion? Is that basically what what they're I think so Yeah, I think so too. So literally what this what the promise is and we will get there because the tech it'll happen Yeah, we're gonna get to the point where we can create an energy machine That creates more energy than it is that requires going in Okay, so in other words, we put in so much energy to create more energy We're gonna defy the laws of this step. Yeah, it's it's it's free energy Yeah, it's infinite free energy He the stat that he gave on the show that I thought was fascinating was saying a basically a 10 by 10 by 10 Basically a cube 10 by 10 of water would be enough to power the entire world Yeah for the amount of energy we use right now. Yeah a 10 by 10 by 10 That's like this room is and the way significantly bigger than the waste would be water and oxygen So the the promise of this literally is we're gonna have to get rid of that Well, you could you could you could literally change companies aren't gonna be cool that no you could change everything with this Imagine if energy in the future is free. Well, I mean, okay People need to look at the there's actually charts that show this when you look at the growth of the human population on earth and the change and Wealth and medicine and progress and that all kind of stuff It's very closely connected to our ability to harness energy now To date there's nothing more effective cheap Easier to transport whatever than then carbon-based energies Okay, regardless of what they try to tell you about solar energy and water They didn't come close yet the tech's not there yet Carbon-based energies are the are so far the best except for nuclear power Which people don't want to touch because everybody's scared of but they do they do a great job Compared to what we had before that but of course the byproduct is waste and we can you know create more You know toxic gases and that kind of stuff fusion is would would change everything It would change the world more than the industrial revolution changing for sure I mean they they said that it would where like where did they find these discoveries like it's not discovered They're just they're continuously working on this and trying to where where are they working on this china The u.s. Europe is making these these changes and discover. I think china made that one It would completely eliminate any fears around global warming. Oh, we would reverse We would actually reverse and and remove carbon from the atmosphere and Change our own environment. We could you could you have any tax everybody We could put oxygen on other planets and create other planets that are hospitable like literally it would be The the sky would be the limit. So, you know reading about this is incredible and we're probably 30 40 years away from some tremendous breakthroughs and maybe 100 years away from what i'm talking about where It's like limitless free energy, which is insane. Yeah, that was his prediction. Oh, what's his name? All in podcast. I can't think of a sultan of science. Yeah, that's his nickname. I can't remember his Date is it not because there's david's absolutely. There's david. No, no jason calcannis is the host That's right here. I see here breakthroughs like that I just I get really cynical because I know it's like there's just so many other forces out there to To combat it. Loser people. I don't know though. I feel like enough instagram Like how do you how do you convince all these powerhouses to just be okay with that? Oh, it'll it'll be a it'll be a fight. I would exactly I would think so I think like something like this that's like, I mean, that's probably one of the disrupt our entire way of of doing everything well We've been through disruptions before right like You know the the steam engine And then of course the internal combustion engine. I mean it completely changed everything totally So, I mean will it be a fight? I don't know. I think when they see the writing on the wall They'll probably move in a direction where they're trying to figure out You know where they could freeberg david there you go. He's the guy that was on Yeah, I mean that's cool, man. I'm all for it speaking of science and cool stuff Um, I think caldera's serum also reduces inflammation On the skin. What so maybe it's gonna help with my fat face. No No, yours is not inflammation. There's no hope there. That's just fat. Yeah I think you have to use preparation age for that kind of that kind of anti-inflammatory You know that the people will do that for bags into their eyes. They will put the hemorrhoid cream on Did you know that that's like a secret? I have a celebrity. Yeah, dude They put the freaking hemorrhoid cream in botox and all that stuff But no, I'm no I uh caldera You know, I was a my skin was a little inflamed Because I was out in the sun over there in florida and you know, you're traveling and playing and it was a long ass day And I didn't bring my my serum with me on the trip So I I I swore to god I put it on and within 20 minutes I could see like a difference in my face. Just healthier. Is there something in it that actually Bats that okay, so you're not just pulling this out. No, no, no, they have you can back this with some science Yeah, they have I mean if you look at the extracts that are in there some of them are in there to balance out your ph Some of them are in there To hydrate to replace your your skin's natural oils if you wash your face And then some of them have these kind of anti-inflammatory effects and I noticed that like I put it on It's like 30 minutes later and I'm looking I'm like, man, I could tell like my face looked like it calmed down. That's the best Uh description I can have is like my face calmed down From putting they crush it. You know that so you know that so weird out counter balances Like all those things like you said the oily versus the dry because very very good formula I felt like even just being in that climate like I'm not a big fan of humidity But it did do wonders for my skin. Yeah just being in that The environment you guys wives take your Jessica basically steals mine now. Like she's like this is mine all the time Yeah, Katrina's used it But she's she isn't she's got her own little thing that she's doing right now And I've been slowly trying to convert her over to go and caldera because I have no idea what works Her spending for hers I'm sure it's more than what it's not They still market directly to men because it is like one of those things She's like, why do they do that because like it works great for me. Well, I think I don't know They got in the market. I think they market to women now too. Yeah, I think that's also like a strategy to start off Right if totally let's first get this. I mean, it's kind of like like veori Yeah, like veori did with the athleisure wear and then they branch out into the woman's market too So, you know speaking of brands and brands we work with a brand that we used to work with that I was super fascinated. Did you know liquid death had a commercial? Oh, wow. Yeah, they had a super bowl commercial Yeah, yeah, I was like a witch or something like like putting some curse out there So it was a bunch of kids drinking liquid death It was kids that were like pounding the liquid death and stuff like that and it was the song breaking the law Breaking the law like they're playing that song and the kids were all and then a pregnant mom was like pounding it And so if you don't know the brand you actually it looks like beer at first class So I'm I mean pretty clever commercial just water as far as making awareness for their brand for obviously for us You get it right away But if you don't know that brand and you see these kids pounding this like beer like looking drink And then you see a pregnant mom like I'm sure it got the attention of a lot of people that had no idea of the brand So it's pretty pretty clever and good marketing. Yeah, I'll give them that for sure Hey real quick. 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Yeah, right I mean you could use depending on who you are like, you know Maybe you need something that's way more restorative and you're doing like yoga or you know meditating Maybe you don't need something so restorative And so you do something like a hike outside for in a couple hours like there's Or it's a complete mobility day because you've been strength training really hard. So it could be a lot of different Yeah, I think the question is right. Which the best and so how would you rank what the best is? I personally okay, so we could sit there and say All right If the person Requires more mobility if they require more conditioning if their goal is fat loss muscle building then this would be the best You know prescription or whatever recommendation But I never I don't want to say never when I got better as a trainer I I stopped looking at thing that way of things that way except for my super hardcore performance Driven, uh, you know clients Most of my clients the goal really was Overall health and longevity in other words consistency over a long period of time It's not just about training for an event It's rather like how do I do this long term? Enjoy it and make myself feel healthy and good in the long term build muscle burn body fat and feel great In which case the criteria was What are you going to enjoy the most? Yeah, that's really it right because there is no wrong answer here Unless you're hurting yourself or training yourself inappropriately I think active rest days should be based entirely over what you enjoy because That's going to keep you the most consistent and in my opinion give you the best long term effects So like maybe you maybe you would benefit more from you know mobility But man you really enjoy hiking and going outdoors And it's that enjoyment is probably more likely to keep you consistent on these active days these active rest days And then enjoyment there's a lot of health benefits you get from that as well Especially when you're doing it with people that you like to be with you know Yeah, I mean that's probably the most important thing However, like if you have an athlete too where like I would probably try to Have them focus a bit on some of the movement and skill that would apply So doing things at a very low intensity, but being able to kind of mechanically go through those movements. So you're still Basically like teaching your body these movements and and repeating them constantly which then sort of solidifies it So it becomes part of the subconscious At that point but in terms of like your average person just trying to recover Just light expressive movements anytime that you can I think personally like being able to do things you normally don't do in terms of movements So being able to articulate your joints and like rotate them a bit more and focus on that kind of stuff I think will help in terms of being able to You know provide stability and support. Yeah, I don't I don't know how much I agree with you on this one Sal um not because you don't make good points, but Because we people a lot of times do the things that they they like to do and they neglect the things They probably should do I don't know how many times I've had a client who Is got a very high stress job and is burning the candle both ends and their active recovery day is going out for a hike But I would much rather see them do a yoga class for an hour Or I've got a client that is hardcore consistent with their training But they and they train heavy consistently and then they their active recovery Maybe as a sport they love to do and they love to go play basketball But I need them to address and work on their mobility. Well, yeah If people can eat perfect diets, too But we don't tell people to follow a perfect diet because yeah, but I don't I think saying a blanket statement Like just do what you love to do on active recovery day is not what's best for you Um in the context of what is going to keep you active physically for the rest of your life Generally speaking and most people could be better at being more active. Okay. You have a point there That's got to be number one, right? Sure inconsistency. That's the biggest. Yeah, but sure I still think uh what someone asking this question is seeking though is like, okay I I hear what you guys are saying. I hear the the benefits vector recovery. Okay. Now. Tell me what I should potentially be doing Now that is going to vary and depend on the person like if they if you were training them and your client specifically asks you that I don't think my answer would just be oh do whatever you want do what you love to do I would I would assess What they're what their lifestyle is like and I would give them a recommendation that I think would be most beneficial now As like a like they're asking you more of a structured active rest day. Like what should I do descriptive one? Yeah, I think prescriptive is the word not structured. It doesn't have to be so structured. I'm like, hey I want you to hike for this. It's like that's what I mean. I mean like Yeah, it's just descriptive. Yeah, it's like, okay Um, you know, yes, I agree with you being active and enjoying activity Like yeah by all means like I think that has tremendous value But if I have a client who I I'm in tune with their their their habits I know their needs as far as movement Um, and you know, they're gonna do what you tell them. Yeah, and they're asking a question like this They're saying, okay, adam. What do you want me to do active recovery day? What's the best thing for me? I'm gonna give to them what I think is most beneficial So for this person since we don't know you You need to you have to have this self-awareness to know Am I somebody who burns a candle at both ends and I'm I'm more guilty of pushing myself too hard And maybe I need to work more inward for my day off. Maybe it looks like a sauna jacuzzi cold plunge meditation type of day Or am I somebody who is got a very sedentary lifestyle because I work at a desk nine to five And so I would have tremendous benefit from just going on a nice easy leisurely walk for two hours or something So I mean for an active recovery day, it could be all the things we're talking about And I think yes to your point Trying to choose things that are going to keep you consistent But I also think that you there's there are things that the individual could be doing on that active recovery day That will benefit them more than other things if I know they're gonna do it It's like if someone asks me what's the best diet or what's the best form of cardio like there's two answers One is the best for you Two is the one you're gonna do the most consistently, right? And for most people the challenge is about consistency, which is why you know I answered that way But you know the benefits of active recovery are that you recover faster. It's healthier for you I used to think that the best way to recover was to do nothing. Yeah, you have hard work and then do nothing Float like that's I mean that's all part of the healing process. It's it's it's not true Movement facilitates recovery far better than just sitting and laying in bed. It was a huge mistake Yeah, that's why I think too like if you're just painting a broad stroke like it Why I'm I'm more inclined to kind of tell people to move laterally or twist It's just because like it's just not something You're programmed to do especially in your programming for strength training a lot of people don't consider those things So to be able to at least you know try to focus on maybe like two things you can do That'd be an easy what's your guys's favorite forms of active recovery Like what do you actually do when you're doing active recovery? Well, so I I think I actually bounced between all the things we're talking about right now I there might become and then the way I decide is kind of based off of what my week or my life Where it's currently going. Is it pretty balanced? Are you more likely to do one thing like over the other? No, I'm more likely to do what I think is best for me I have the discipline to say You know, but does that mean is there ever been a time where I know? This is what's totally best for me and then I ended up doing something else like sure that happens But I try and make the decision on my active recovery days The thing that I probably need most or what I should potentially add into my routine I'm way more with workouts consistent like with what I you know, but when it comes to active recovery I just love walking and hiking. I just get so much out of it. Uh, I don't know Non-physically right emotionally spiritually whatever you want to say going outside being with my kids and my wife That's almost like nine out of ten times if I'm doing something Active recovery. It's that it's walking or that's the low-hanging fruit for me. Like it's the easy one to me It's like the default, uh I should do x y or z I don't really feel like it will bear minimum I'm going to go move because I know that will facilitate Uh recovery and it'll help it'll burn calories that there's Benefits to it for that specific day and then also the recovery process So to me the the go for a nice walk with Katrina or something is the bare minimum I'll do and then I'm probably trying to do some of the other things. I don't even think of like I don't think of the calorie burn or any of that stuff. I just like, hey, let's go do something And I like doing this thing and it's and it's moving. I don't want just oh, I do I definitely think now because I'm so aware. Um, and I think mainly because of uh, the business now Never in my life have I uh Been so sedentary Easily in this job. I easily could string a week together a whole week Where maybe I averaged 2,000 steps in a day like if it's a crazy easy we're on calls We're flying places. We're doing stuff like that. We're not really walking around very much Or maybe I didn't get in very many workouts this week. I can look back and go. Holy shit I only walked 2,000 steps So and I know what a difference that that is on on a just an activity for calorie burn for me that I'm like Dude, I need to get out and just move. Oh when you're training clients in a gym I was doing 10,000 steps on my ice club and you're picking up weights and moving them around and all that Total adds up. I never this is the first time in my life ever sat down. Obviously. I enjoy doing this So I'm not complaining, but I never sat down this much of my no I'd never sit down at home. Yeah, and that's just kind of as a result of being in this environment I'm very conscious of that being out Standing up walking around picking things up, you know and being like productive at at home because it's just like I need the movement Next question is from fuzzy am Is there a way to grow shoulders and back without the traps getting too big? Do deadlifts make traps bigger? You know, okay, let's talk about deadlifts first Uh deadlifts build the entire back most of the trap development though You'll get from deadlifts is not the upper So i'm assuming this person's afraid of developing upper traps like the because your traps Have different attachments and the muscle fibers point in different directions. No neck. Look. Yeah So you could develop the upper traps which actually shrug the shoulders. You're getting probably the holding process Yep, but when you deadlift a lot of the developments in that mid trap area, you know, that's where you're going to see most of development So can they build the upper traps? I guess if you have really good genetics for traps and Maybe but it's more of that mid kind of trap area that you'll see near the rhomboids are annoying questions to me This is definitely but to me this is actually the reason I picked it a lot of women or say ask this question Well, yeah, it does and it's very it's very uh bodybuilder ask And here's another example of like because I know for a long time We tend to we pick on machines a lot But here's where sometimes using machines have their value when I'm Trying to isolate a part of the shoulder or take out something The traps are a stabilizer muscle of shoulder There's no way around it not working But I'll tell you doing something slow control and like with isometric contractions, right? And with a light weight is less likely to develop the traps than something that is done with like speed or power Or like heavy heavy loaded you're going to do something like that Those those traps are going to have to stabilize that heavy heavy load Especially on free weights compared to maybe doing something like a reverse fly on a cable machine or a You know a shoulder press on a machine like there's certain ways you could do you know It's funny people are like oh overhead presses will develop the traps like crazy I've seen more trap activation in laterals from people who do them wrong sure then overhead presses Laterals first off if you do them right you you don't really the trap stabilize a little bit But it's all delts But you see people do laterals. Yeah, heavy laterals are definitely You know, it's funny today I was working out with Justin him and I were doing laterals at the same time He was doing upper back trap laterals. I was doing side delt laterals bodybuilder versus obviously athlete, right? It's very different. It was I was noticing that too. I'm like i'm doing these totally different Yeah, and the one isn't wrong or the other they're very they're just different, right? But if you want just shoulder development, it's your keep your shoulders kind of depressed lean forward a little bit It's all you know here with the with the hand facing down You want more trap development. It's gonna be a little bit more movement a little bit more external rotation Squeezing the upper back a little bit So laterals in my opinion are more responsible for this than anything else because a lot of people will do Laterals the way you do Justin because it allows you to move more weight They're not necessarily athletes that want to develop the shoulders Like why don't I trust this just like boil down to more focus on mind muscle connection Yes, yeah, and so if you just want to if this is a serious goal of yours is to really just hyper connect to You know deltoids and and really just make sure that you do very slow control and with lighter weight That's my point of the machines, right? So if you're if you I ideally you have the ability, right? You've worked you've worked on the mind muscle connection that you can use free weights And still be able to do like what's out the point Sal's making right now But a good like way to regress that to kind of get to that place is to use machines to kind of help Until you get really good at knowing how to like Isolate parts muscle even though it's impossible to completely isolate a part of a muscle You can do you definitely can do you can redirect so you have more force You can definitely do a shoulder press or a lateral raise or a rear fly with very little trap involvement Or a lot of trap involvement and and what really makes a difference is your ability To connect to what part of the shoulder you're really targeting and think about that as you're moving through it and avoid the You know erratic heavy kind of like movement during a specific movement that you're trying to target apart Yeah, I mean rose like if you don't shrug your shoulders you depress the scapula bring them down and back You're not going to use tons of upper trap muscles If you shrug their shoulders while you row which some people do then you're getting a more trap development Obviously pull-ups pull-downs almost no upper trap Activation because the weight's coming down, but I don't think you should just stick to that I've had female clients or trainers even Say all I do are pull-downs for my back to avoid building my upper traps And they end up developing really bad forward shoulder because they don't strengthen those mid-back muscles very well And they end up with this not good look anyway So I mean avoid shrugging avoid explosive avoid explosive movements and and train your shoulders and back like a bodybuilder Where it's mind the muscle don't train like an athlete Because if you do explosive athletic type movements, you're gonna involve the traps quite a bit This is why it's some athletes is that you football players I don't think they ever do shrugs, but you see lots of cleans and explosive movements and they got incredible, you know trap development Next question is from foveo castle What's the best way to attract someone into fitness when they seemingly don't care? Oh gosh boy, that's be the example Yeah No, it really is it's like uh, it's like talking to somebody that is like a bible thumper Right, and you're like dude, you're you're a way of of leading people to jesus is the wrong way You're going to hell. Yeah, trying to force it down people's throat. It's always rejected The same thing goes with fitness man Like if you Are trying to tell them all the things they're doing wrong or even all the things they that you can do I know a lot of people Come from a good place like this question always stems from somebody who has a partner Or a mother or a father who is frustrating right who they care about and I I totally understand this because The first half of my career I was asking the same question like man, I want to I want to save my family You know just like I think some of the bible thumber people are thinking too. I think they come from a good place I don't think they're trying to seem self-righteous, but it comes off self-righteous And so do you when you try and push people on fitness and the best way to do it Is to exude it is to be the person who lives the brand. It's not a guarantee. It's only it's only a successful way Yeah, exactly. It's not a guarantee even then it's just but it is the only way that I think it's going to catch Yeah, I've done that because I I was like you I would just try and force it on everybody And I'd go in my parents house and clean out the cabinets piss them off and never worked And then I just stopped and you just kind of do your thing and then what you find is and it doesn't work on everybody So again, it's not a guarantee. It's just it's just if it's going to work this the only way You'll get people will ask you like man, you got so much energy or Man, you look really good like we can you know Can I do something to help me? You know my shoulders more developed or to build my back better or you know, I got pain here Can you show me some exercises now they're receptive and you can kind of help them out? The other thing too is if it's a partner You know Make it something that has to do with connecting over the with the two of you and it doesn't and don't make it Structured workouts is a mistake like hey, honey. Let's go spend some time together follow my workout It's not gonna work. How about like let's go in the hey Do you want to go to the beach and do this hike and we'll have some nice lunch little hikes Yeah, yeah, and then you're active As a side effect of kind of something that they enjoy and then they'll start to maybe find more enjoyment out of doing it But you are not going to force somebody to do something that they don't want to do if anything You'll actually prolong the the time it takes for them to try and do it so true It's it's a hundred percent. Yeah, you just have you have to wait though You have to wait for them to come to you It's like it's like sales until people isn't sales like you can push somebody into a sale And then they're going to have buyers remorse and they're probably want to return it afterwards But if you can pull them into a sale make them feel like they're asking for or they want it It's a total different experience for them The same thing goes when you're trying to sell them on the idea of working out being fit and eating healthy It's like the best thing to do is to to beat to live it by example Allow them to see how it carries over into your life and how it makes you such a better person without you having to Say anything and then eventually they ask not all like you said But if you want it to stick and it to really change their life The best way to do it is through your own Next question is from Sarah Larson. What's the healthiest choice for alcohol? That's a funny question You know, okay, so before you answer this Sal because I'm sure you have an answer for Um, once quote unquote healthiest, right? Yeah The if you read online and you google stuff that the the answer you're going to get is the lowest calorie one Is there any other? Alcohol choices that provide any other Wine I know that they tout the antioxidants, right? Can we look up gin to ever a lot of people touting gin is like a shot like having some kind of health benefit to it And I don't know if that's like because vodka is one of the lowest calorie Uh, it is yeah drink like hard alcohol drinks makes the most sense And so if you were gonna if you were gonna do quote unquote healthiest You would do something like tonic water and vodka or vodka shot Would most likely and that's purely not because it's healthier, but because it's lowest lowest cow. Okay So first of all, there is no healthy alcohol. Yeah, that's why it's higher is contrary to You know popular media There are no health benefits to alcohol now you could argue that maybe the health benefits could come from connecting with people, you know the Traditions that they involve and yeah, there's health benefits that but the alcohol itself Is not is not healthy now you will read at all by the way It's connected any amount of alcohol increases risk of of cancer for example And studies will show that so it's just not healthy at all doesn't mean you shouldn't drink it. I enjoy alcohol sometimes It's not not that big of a deal Now as far as health is concerned, here's what you're gonna hear You're gonna hear well wine contains antioxidants and resveratrol and gin contains these You know, it's made from these berries berries tequila's got this These these these compounds that don't get utilized like sugar. So it's better on Insulin, okay, those are all such like they always use the antioxidant angle It's all of them are these miniscule Think you like benefits to any of these drinks. First of all, you're not gonna drink enough Wine to gain whatever benefit you get from the The alcohol negates it totally get as much as much from smelling a strawberry. Yes. Yes. Yeah, blueberries You know just a couple blueberries or set Really what you want to look at is what what the biggest impact on my health Negatively is going to come from the the calories and from the alcohol itself I could say this you may be able to make an argument about like having a small hermetic effect If it's like not like that much, but like you're introducing it almost as like anything else like, you know Is like plants provide certain hermetic effect because of like certain toxic Elements there. Yeah, I don't know. I don't you know, like I said, if you look at the studies on alcohol By itself, it's just not healthy Again, though, sometimes it's connected to health because sometimes It's connected to other behaviors that may be healthy. For example traditions rituals, uh, you know, maybe it helps you connect with your friends Obviously, you can overdo that as well, but by itself. No, it's not healthy And so you okay if you want to pick the healthiest you go with the lowest calorie and you hit the nail on the head It's vodka bodybuilders had it right, you know, you look at bodybuilders when they go drink What do they have vodka, you know water vodka soda water vodka tonic or whatever So it's going to be the lowest calorie thing now. Here's what I have to say about this If you're gonna go drink alcohol Um, you know, here's the real benefits of it. It's it's the environment the people you're with It's are you enjoying yourself in which case? I don't care. What kind of alcohol you're drinking pick the one that you enjoy Because that's the point, right? Yeah, it's the whole point of in my opinion No, that's if you're looking for one. That's the healthiest. You're probably doing it too often No, that's a really that's a good point Justin because I mean we we just we were just in Florida We would at the day that Sal flew Doug Justin and I we basically laid out on the beach all day. You had a little flag and they bring you over drinks and food And uh, I had decided that this is a very rare occasion that the three of us lay out at the beach all day and have someone Serving drinks to us not once did it cross my mind. Ooh, what should I I should get the lowest calorie one? Like it's I wanted the one I wanted to enjoy because that's what I was doing at that point It wasn't like a mission to get drunk. It wasn't just another weekend where I'm getting drunk again It's like this doesn't happen very often I want to we're in the sun a you know fruity daiquiri type of drink Which is not something I would drink if I was in a bar or at a wedding or something like that It was for the moment and it never crossed my mind How many calories it has compared to something? Yeah, I think you're missing the bow and you're right Justin if you're like really like try and you know get all the healthiest options, but you're probably drinking so much Yeah In which case, yeah, then it might drink less you might want to yeah Why don't you start by by drinking less, but yeah, it's the the point isn't that right? So if I drink alcohol I don't think to myself What's the healthiest option? Unless I drink a lot, I guess it would be You know, what do I enjoy drinking and I'm doing this with my friends and that's the whole point You know, it's like it's like if I go out to eat pizza like Yeah, I could get the the healthiest pizza version But why don't I get the one that tastes the best because I'm with my friends and I'm enjoying myself You know type of deal. So I think that's the whole point now. I will say this You can you know, we work with a company called Zebiotic and Zebiotic does I mean, this is a pretty wild product It definitely has a huge impact on the negative effects that I get from alcohol Like when I drink alcohol first off I used to rarely almost never drink it because I always felt like complete garbage the day after always And so I almost never as like almost never just wasn't worth it didn't matter didn't have it Now you'll see me have the occasional alcohol because the Zebiotics I don't get that same inflamed crappy You know feeling afterwards, which I guess it comes from this this byproduct of alcohol That your body has trouble kind of breaking down which in which case is about so that that that's one thing you could do In other words, pick the drink you want to have Enjoy yourself with your friends and if you want to do something that'll maybe reduce some of the negative effects Then do the Zebiotics, but don't worry so much about the type of alcohol Look, if you like our show you got to head over to mind pump free calm Check out our guides. 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