 I am very happy to be here and they have allowed me to share this and it is very, very difficult to discuss together the way of taking news, which is possibly within our tapestries. Any one of us has made things up, taking news is something that we cannot format, but finally we are glad. There are a bunch of digital platforms that are coming out to detect taking news, as media personnel, like all of us here who are from this magazine media, to correct ourselves before we put anything out there. So authenticity of the news, that's a long-standing debate around problems that have been around, that we can't really come back, but I think our panelists here would be able to tell us how exactly do we detect taking news in this day and age. In fact, news itself, in the larger sense, any possible news that we give out there, usually is amplified enough for it to either be called safe or credible. So how do you really differentiate, how do you differentiate between what's safe and what's exaggerated and what's real? What's credible. There are a bunch of more than a bunch of media personnel here joining us today. Surya is Malik, Surya Malik is a program director moving to Sri Sri State and the GFKD network. Thank you so much, Surya. We also have a population Shukla, who is senior journalist, I'm going by the order of people. We also have Pratish Ranjan, who is a senior editor in Jhagran News Media and Dishwas News. We have Deniz Karne, who also is a content head and editor and Amar Jhalla Digital. We also have Mukesh Sharma, who is an editor with the history news history. And we also have Subhash Krishna, who runs the fake news muster team in India today. So in the media channels now finally have a section where you must fake news. So before putting news out there, usually media, now we should execute fake news, muster team. So that's very incredible. And we don't sound like rumors. I like it often. All right. So let's go ahead. Surya, why don't you tell us how do you really detect fake news? First of all, identify it as a crime news. It's a problem. Well, I think it isn't like a rocket science to sit back from fiction. There's a whole field of misinformation, you know, on different platforms that you access to gather news now. But like taking a moment to go back, you know, run through some basics checks, which we all are just laughing at myself for about a decade before I moved to this role, now taking back these daily efforts on verification. So it's not very difficult. It just takes about a couple of minutes of the time. If you take a break, you look back at what you have done then through your sound checks, and you will be able to find out what's the best. But you know what's difficult in this area when you're trying to be the first to put your news out there. So in that rush, in that rush, you usually put up not-so-credible news. So then how do you work it out? Well, again, you know, it takes credibility at stake. And when you do really know the repercussions that you end up putting in a wrong picture, or a wrong video on air, or online, or you know, publish that in your print, the repercussions that come your way. So to save yourself that, it's totally worth the one or two minutes or maybe a little time, a little time more that you report to Verify. Back now, again, sex is not a problem at all. I've had a lot of different people in different media, where we just went back to basics because I'm through, you know, a lot of friends and techniques are available, which a lot of international faculty have come on, where education was using, and we've been able to see what's going on. A lot of the funders here don't know how faculty and missionaries should come out after you, but I see that we do a fairly good job, you know, so we're also just going to do this together. But our media channels, especially television media, since I came from television, using Jimmy O'Clyde, which one was like you, because like I said, we're often running out there, on TV, getting used wherever we're going to sit up first is a better problem. That's the sounds I believe, you know, barely ever anybody takes that. That's the step up. It's a change. If you'd asked me this question about two years ago, I've been saying yes, if you've driven in samples, you've been reversing a lot of wrong views coming from your Netflix button. And now I'm very happy to say that New York Times, and I'm lucky to work with a lot of them in India, two financial useful investment of mine, two part-pervading sub-show programs, and then they're seeing results on top of them. They're also able to come up with particular verifying views, and, you know, totally do the right thing. All right, but I just want to know how do you really detect it? I think it's probably because I've been working with others, but I do have a faculty who's checking cell immediately, which is great, and you all know each other. How do you really detect fake news? The first step is to identify what is a fake news, because fake news is such a generic term that so many things can be used for so many different kinds of news. Sometimes, a fake news is expected. So the first step is to differentiate whether something is a fact or something is an opinion. There is no harm in somebody's opinion. You might not agree to that opinion, but it is not a fake news. It might be somebody's opinion. The second thing is that there are different scenarios in which something which might be right in one context is put up in a different context, which totally alters the meaning. There are pictures from one place being used, like the Kodama incident, and you can see the media is connected with wrong pictures, which are pictures of some incidents, which happen somewhere back, and something else may be wrong. So the second thing is that there are different scenarios in which something which might be right in one context is being projected as it happened in the past. So what they do is that there is a general training, there is a fact check desk, which dedicatedly works for the fake news buses, and then there is a general training across the media to the news channel, where everybody is trained to look, to filter, to think over it, rather than whatever comes passing on to the air, and then there is a filter that if something looks suspicious, then apply your mind, if it looks something which is important, but suspicious, pass it on to the fact check team so that they can verify, and there is a clear reconstruction that if something looks suspicious, it will not hold air till the time it is right. Something looks suspicious, like how do you really know if that is, you know, what is the criteria that you really follow, that people know that you simply follow and this does not have this particular, you know, point there, it doesn't have a check there, because most people believe that the fake news is mostly on social media platforms, that is what really changes it, right? Most media channels pick up whatever is standing on social media and put it up as their main source, right? So, that there more, like how do you, what are your suggestions? Very good to share, that is a challenge that we have faced because the first step is to identify which is who is the source of this news, because something is very important and looks very sensational, then even the reporters are there who has passed it on to you. Are you confident about the source? If something is, somebody might have given you something saying that this is exclusive, but it might be cold, it might be a plan, so reporters have this to check, cross check, and at times if the news is very important, then they also cross check, ask somebody else to work on it, find out whether it is true or not. And then if you just have to, are the only reporters in their confidence that this might not be true, this must not be true, but we trust our reporters a hundred percent. Because everybody nowadays who has a mobile phone in his hand is a reporter, there is no doubt of their performance, but what differentiates between media organization and somebody else on social media is that there is accountability, there is a preparation to protect the credibility. That may be correct, may not be correct. So that is where the role comes for the media organization to check, apply credit cards. We should be a little more conscious, but for example what happened really just a few months ago, when this man was leached to debt, a bunch of them around Shivajnagar area, assumed that the man was a kidnapper, because there was some fake news about how there were two people which are trying to kidnap children in the city, and people assumed that he was a kidnapper and because he did not know the language he was from Rajasthan, he would not speak Canada, they agreed to debt and by the end of the day he was gone, so he managed to get repercussions, life changing repercussions that fake news had. So what if it turns a digital space, I think for print particularly, you have more space and time to be more active. I think that this discussion is very important. If you do not know this then I will tell you in detail. I do not know much but I will take a look. But we have a good evidence that we have come to know what happened in our addition area. In addition area, there is a lot of news about the situation, where the report is from from year to year, as I just told you, there is a lot of news about the situation in India and we have come to know about the situation in India. Please do not worry about it. The problem is that this news is from the beginning and some people have never answered the news and if it is made by mistake then there is a lot of news that is over. There are no more news and the answer is not there. The other problem that they had told us in India that we are talking about the big banner of BBC, Jharkhand, Google, we are facing a problem when we are spreading the news through these people and when the report is made we will know what is the problem. One minute we will talk about it in the JNM Junior Conference where we were asked why the problem is there. Why the problem is that what is the problem that you think mobile is the reason for the report. So as soon as all the components are not doctors the problem will be there. So the answer is that the problem will be there. The reason for sharing is that the problem is there. And we have to think when the problem is there in our newsroom and the problem will be there then who will see the problem. So sir, how we are dealing with people in power, active people in power themselves endorse a thing. One of our legislations put up a picture of this man who is having some sort of communal repercussions. And she endorse it and many came down to apologize. Many of them are unapologizing. They don't even apologize. It has been happening in this society for long but why do we become addicted to what is happening if we get trapped and it is bound to happen. If we are trapped then it will happen. One is that you want to hide and you have a society that works well and the society won't be able to move forward. I will tell you in the second part from where it happened. Most of the social media on whatsapp, facebook and all other news have been leaked because the answers in the society started to spread and the truth started to spread. Some people thought what is happening on whatsapp and facebook was the truth. But the truth is it is more than what is happening in the society. If we do our job then it won't happen. What are your apologies to the survivors? Are you apologizing when you put out something that you see in your channel's door? No, definitely we should see. The rise of internet has actually opened up 38 companies. The brutal growth of social media in India has actually created a big problem for the internet city across the world. So that's a big problem. The answer is in one word. Very simple. The answer is verification. Are you guys verifying on your website? If you are doing it you are sorted. That's a problem. Actually if you are asked to verify then how do we verify? That's a problem. We don't detect fake news. What we do is do fact check. I don't care when conversation is coming from anywhere everywhere. My job is to do the fact check. I don't care. I don't take that. So that's a problem. The rise of social media we can't blame for social media platforms. So blame social media users. So you cannot blame technology. You blame the users. So how do you really weed out news at stake because it might be happening in some remote corner area where you won't even have access to it. Some stringers give you that information. So getting to that remote area and finding out whether it's true or false is enough. We will try our every possible channel to verify that. If we can't do, we are not as exposed to media process I cannot ask my team to go ahead with that. So whatever you need. It's possible to verify and verify it's not related to our role. But like every media there is a choice that is asked in India's first portal for dedicated fax check. So what we do there is we have a team here. We all are satisfied fax check thanks to Google and its project that we had last year. So in our team there are two who are satisfied fax check and our legal team actually went to the fax check training and we trained the entire industry the entire and he decided to launch a portal. So how do you sensitize the media? What do you say? I as a journalist have a reporter and I am for myself. I know very well what sources to bank on who are involved in the industry so when we verify with multiple different other reporters we should do it. So is that how you sensitize them or are there actual digital platforms that you are going to subscribe to for them to verify? Definitely. Like you go for any business that you want to adopt you always go for a second part. Like here also you verify and read very tight. You cross check it and double check it. So what has changed is that the entire industry how we now gather news create news and also consume news that is something we need to please tell us each one of us from there if we had that now we would not get this news from your regular sources they would have picked it from anywhere out there. So with conditions our mind we just see if it is a piece of information with a headline some text along that it would be a source just about someone sending it to you usually would say hey Michael send it to me and because he seems a kind of person because of which you are reading this news that is something we need to please so it is with change condition ourselves please tell that now we get news from different sources so we can apply the same technology to now verify where we are getting that information from. So back to some tools which are easy to go on you know there are some tech innovators coming up to say can we help you verify if you are very easy essentially what you do is go back and check the source go back and check again the same 5 Ws and 1s what you know but in the digital world so it is just a little more you know so technology has created that technology can give you this you just have to adapt it and be open to adapt it to your generation it is still pure yet what you do is check is whatever is going on in the digital world but what happened on ground that is always the I mean you can't like someone one of you giving example you know to our attack where how many of them is that he died he is channeling giving you a different number I should be one number if you don't have a full name then the name you have to know is channeling giving you a different number but the thing is that the statement in the bus is the whole thing is the assumption is you can think wrong then you can think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong I will think wrong How would you feel in the world? See, what happened to you? When I joined, when I joined, I was very lucky. I went to one full month of training. That was the best thing that the audience should be able to do. And the basic lessons which were taught to us was, we are not in the ways of being taught. We are always in the ways that people can do. We see the same, you know, recognised as a criminal leader, only because we do not rush. Even if there is a bus accelerator, one of the sources says there are 10 deaths, and the other one says, oh, really, okay, you know, I dropped on a sensational approach and saying 10 people have died and if I am, you know, tomorrow, as a manager, I have to get back into the trap and say, oh, sorry, let me phone you tonight. That's my mistake. Well, as the head of the organisation, I would not be very comfortable. So, you know, you have to also train your judgments. And you have to, you know, finally decide what is it that you want to achieve. This is only the case being the number one or the credit leader. When you are credit leader, it's again important and important. You are going for credit, and I think probably you will be recognised as the number one channel. But if you just break it in, everyone will continue 20 seconds for everyone with big revenues. And you think everyone has time to see you do it first. No one cares about it. Any views, you can go to your channel and watch them all. So, you can take, you can share, you can subscribe. And what has to change, you know, the same views. News, it has to be true, right? But I think the people who have used the media channels are victimising your audience. But, ideally, the media channels are also victims to this. They are the ones who are actually victims to big years. We can play. You see, like, whatever the initiatives are happening, you know, the media channels are fine. So, if it's last year, what is trending on the news channels, right? They are not saying that. They are not saying that. It's what they are reporting. They are reporting fake news. They are reporting trending on the news. But it's right or wrong. But if you go by, you know, but basically generally, like, why can't you manage this? I don't believe it. But I don't need to release it. It's more dead. Or would you release the part of it that you believe is true, only that much? Definitely. There is nothing like that at all. If you have doubt, if you have a say that it's more of a doubt, you know, you have no need to do this. I need to say it. But now, you know, nobody is reporting fake news from the other way. We are looking to try to do this. We are looking to try to do this from the other way. I'm here. I'm here. But if you think about it for the first time, I'm going to leave this. I'm not going to leave this. I'm going to leave this. This is a big lie. I'm in this. I'm in this. You know, our educational system is really, really bad. We want to stop this. We're not going to stop this. So one month is basically presumptuous. You can also be quite honest. I am an interesting example. I am talking about the job-advances. For example, I was doing Facebook Live, but I didn't want to talk about it. And I thought that I would have to do a lot of good things on Facebook Live, and that I would have to do a lot of good things. And I saw that it was on Facebook Live, and it was on the 45th. So I told them that it was on the 45th. I told them that if there was a impulse, they would sell two hundred thousand. I told them that if there was an impulse, they would open the car. So I didn't even know how many moment it would take. I told them that it was so scary, because that impulse was so much. I had to take at least that much of the impulse. If they said two hundred thousand, they would have taken it. I couldn't take that much. Well, it was an honest lie. It was the 75th. And I think part of the party is also taking on this, right? And you think you report against another party, they will claim it to be fake news. That's a big shut up of it. That's a big point because when we're talking about the topic, there's also a section that says it's responsible. We also need to talk about the responsibilities. Normally, there are factories. We reported on it, there are factories which are running great news, who have got their agenda. It happens when your thinking or your belief matches the agenda and you start believing in it and you start having to think in all you can believe and forward it, that's when it all starts. When we did the research last year, what we found out, it was qualitative research. We saw, you know, everybody's, we sat with them for three hours to just go through them all such messages. If, you know, if you're getting a foreign message from their relative or someone who has some influence, people do not even, you know, think twice before just forwarding it. If they've seen that there's a shock factor, they immediately forward it. Now, they do not want to cross check because someone from authority has forwarded it, so they will also forward it. And the next thing we saw, you know, I mean, what's the case with this teacher of, okay, we'll respect the forward, and if there's a forward message, we'll see that there's a forward. But, I mean, how do we actually care about that forward reading under the message? People are not, that's what our research also said. People are not, whether the changes of forwarded message is equal to false. No, it has come from my own. It can come from, you know, one of the real people whom I own, whom I trust, I'll just forward it. Luckily, in the last social media platforms have making initiatives. Like WhatsApp has now limited its forward and limited it to just five users. You don't sell it bit better than the others. I like what they said, that there are certain kinds of fake news that we want to believe. I mean this is a challenge that we face because as this happens mostly in case of political news because I am a BJP supporter somebody sends me a news, a fact check news which is against BJP so I think no this is fake news. So if I am a Congress supporter I do want to believe that whatever is against Congress is right and whatever is a perception, so a confirmation bias is there. So then this is also a challenge that we face every day, most in cases of political news that people tend to believe they have a certain inclination for believing something which matches to their lighting, to their ideology and if you think that this is, if anything, any views, how general it is, if it goes against their belief or their ideology then I think no this is fake, I shouldn't believe this. But the other side, this is also a challenge that we face. Absolutely, I think it all comes down to you said who is responsible and then once you find who is responsible, what is the punishment? There should be some implications to those setting the rules. What kind of punishment? Can you do that? Before punishment, you should not believe others that can't believe you. So how could you say that I think you can't believe that you know, that's the question but if you will be tied by this, then you know a full running website minus time. It's very easy to start a website you know and just very small amount of people like 1,500, 1,500, 1,500, 1,500, you know to start a new site and start up the content and putting out a website and then you will look up on a piece of paper and you will look up a whole page and you know a website, there is no regulation. See that all the traditional new channels or media, they have some non-vehicle, they have some procedures, everything should have time but if you want to start a website you can start anyway and there is no regulation. Do some kind of regulation. Do some kind of regulation. But there is no regulation. I am just saying I am not any government but it is helpful the government to expect action with the victims and the government. There is no regulation. I will give you an example. You have said that in 1400 people don't register and the website opens. But now you are seeing half of the people who don't register. All the big websites are closed. All the big websites are closed. All the big websites are closed. There is a difference. There should be a sense of opportunity. I think our social media platforms now like your Facebook and Twitter are reporting people putting out fake news there. So that's a good recognition for us yet. So any more points that you want to add before I get tossed over to our audience there. Any more people who have questions here on fake news? I have no questions. I have no points but one written to the whole audience. Please do not forward blindly. Let's start from here. Please do not forward any message blindly. If you do not believe or you do not have any surety about the message, please hold on to it. We have not been out of all that we've been doing in the last two years. The media has seen so much. We have seen so many things in the last two years. We have seen so many things in the last two years. We have seen so many things in the last two years. That's what we need to learn each month first. We take that as a joint. We do not have to do more than that. You can do more than that because Google is healthy. Because the moment you do that, the fact that the story is correct will continue. Google and their surety are different. In fact, it is true that they are marked by correct operations. You don't need to say that they are part of your story. But I would say that Google is the safest thing to do. There are many tools now. I think you have to do that because that's what we need to do. So this is our last project verified. It will take us a lot of time.