 all right well everything I have been exercising I've been massaging gently my women hating glands just this occasion they're engorged the woman shall be destroyed women love a big gland that's why I tell people all the time yeah some people think it's my catchphrase I say it so much I think I said that one of many so much and you're like yeah they love the glands they love those glands I say hello a lot doesn't mean it's my catchphrase complicated sort of thing what makes me could be if you are a Walmart greeter that could be your catch phrases hello also hello welcome to Walmart if someone comes in with a little name label should you add that into your greeting hello my name is Stephen yeah and then oh imagine you're so committed that whenever like a worker goes out and comes back in you greet them and they're like yeah yeah I know I work here he's like oh yeah that becomes how many people how many Walmart greeters do you think do that and they think it's really fucking clever like the most depressed fucking employees like please don't they is like literally every Walmart greeter does that and they think it's just the funniest shit ever but they quickly learned what the real world is like is a dark and cold place at the front of that wall maybe there was just like a really you know like a young man who's just having some fun and then gets beaten down by everyone's depressed look on greeting they're like I don't want to be greeted you fuck I don't want to be greeted I fucking work here Carl Jesus fucking Christ you saw me when I walked in we clocked in together we have the same shift you don't have to welcome me to Walmart I think I talked about it I don't want to I don't want to be reminded that I'm here you've had ages ago but uh did any of you in working in any form of retail get told anything that's similar to this where you had to score five points when dealing with a customer and there's a multitude of ways these points can be achieved and we had like a list and you have to achieve you have to take at least five of these these boxes so they include stuff like asking the customer what they think about the weather telling the customer that what they have chosen to purchase is a very very good choice complimenting them on their clothing telling them that they look really really like like just upbeat and happy today or asking them about a story they may be telling or something that implies something about their lives do you know insufferable that shit is I was about to say with your first one the weather thing that sounds so insufferable and generic and just art it's artificial you still get a point give you a whole point for that one because what's weird is that one of my my first real job was in a traditional job I should say was working in a four star hotel and it was Forbes ranked and for a four star hotel you had to do a bunch of different things and even though there was a lot of stipulations on what you couldn't couldn't do you also had a pretty decent amount of freedom in terms of how you interacted with guests because one of the keys was under these standards that you don't want to come across as robotic and like you're just going down a checklist of things that you've been taught to do you want to be extremely like polite and cordial and all that good stuff but you want to come across as an actual person with a sense of agency um and so they really encouraged us to actually you know within reason but to actually just be kind of normal around guests just the good version of what normal is supposed to be the one that always bug me was uh it wasn't just that you have to get two points if you not only complement the purchase but you comment on why the purchase was good and if they've bought something that like so it was hard for me because i worked in the software department yeah your old underpants must have had a bunch of holes in them man and if they picked up so like oh look here obviously this is out of sync with time but if they picked oh no man's sky came out while i was working there so or at least i think it did i would have to i would have to remember it was a shitty game and they bought that and one of the things to complement the purchase and i was like um well you know i'm sure there's plenty of fun to be had with that in in many ways and you're like good job um and yeah the the main sort of memory i have of that was uh i only ticked four boxes once while my manager was was next to me i was doing it and when the person went away they were like that was four points that's not good enough okay you say at least i scored more than you have well though they were they scored like a perfect like seven every time you know they were they were an immaculate employee but uh not what i was referring to but that is fair enough if you could flaunt that in front of you know their faces hell yeah you show your little board rags and customer was effort free time they no one knows what you just said i can't give you any of the doubt and say that it was pretty insightful and i liked it in spirit if it was another guest i might not give them that kind of a uh that kind of a benefit but i feel with you it's a safe bet do you don't try again dude i feel sorry for brie larson right now she's literally in a thumbnail of a video with 13 million views that just it's just called five common habits that make people really dislike you man maybe you shouldn't have five common habits that make people dislike yeah avoid that you would have been fine is that one of those charisma on command type channels yeah it is it is it is it is definitely one of those type channels it's charisma on command all right so there's a channel right it is a channel like itself that is that is true hmm hmm well funny that um that is i do find that is amusing hmm yeah well now that we got all that shit out of the way we can start recording and begin our efap right i'm hitting stream start now right wait i didn't get my inward out of the way god damn hi everybody hi yeah our welcome to efap hello you know about that i'm glad you're here that five point system by the way you could tell customers fucking found it annoying like whenever you ask them of course all those questions are annoying just like i'm here to weather let me buy the thing and you're like yeah but i have to do the thing i have to i got to ask you the questions and then like shut the fuck up wouldn't it be like those are the questions i was annoyingly into it into it oh do you mean like if a if a fucking person what do you think of the weather that you come back with i don't know what do you think of it what do you think of the fact that this girl is it's rating player well how do you feel about everything in life person who works here i'm so glad you asked me that because i have several comments to make on the topic you just pull out this this notebook i was like oh i'm so glad someone finally wants to listen to me thank god study the weather nobody ever asks me i'm a meteorologist thank you fuck thank you for asking everyone else finds it annoying but i think the weather is fucking fascinating you don't know how thrilled i am to be asked about the weather i live and breathe precipitation oh and i think that's adorable those are the questions that yeah make me feel like you're just a robot trying to fill out a checklist go away i didn't i came here to shop i didn't come here to talk to your ass i'll never shop here again and you're like oh no i think we know weather you know a radio shack that never asked me about the weather anyway welcome to evap welcome to evap everybody do one welcome back uh how you guys liking this weather hi welcome to evap i'll be your server this evening no we've ticked like several boxes hey good purchase chat i can see you're holding a um a bowl of cereal that's a that's super chat you just chose watching us that was a fine super chat we'll get to it eventually i promise excellent choice i like that they don't have to not you worry this conversation will not we've been streaming for nearly 10 minutes oh my goodness gracious a fell for jay fell for the thing that i said yeah i said we did the thing jay you're such a you're such a wonderful interlocutor wait what ever change for you say wow seems like jay doesn't get something oh no i'm not gonna i i'm not gonna scapegoat someone else just because like that's i'm not gonna do that spring you just woken up you know what yeah when i told jay to never change there are people out there who think that will make me a transphobe mm wait what what i didn't let him follow no that's fine it was just a it was just an observation about the world that we live in and how people react to the things we say that's true for reasons to hate us hey mauler no what an incredible segue about people looking for things to hate us oh about well i was thinking like how do i even know dude on your own time it's fine i just walked into the walmart i i i those days are over i i do a different checklist now five ways to try and piss someone off that's my goal wait that wasn't the list that you just gave i'm coming that food no when they walk up with no bad sky i'm like that's a shitty purchase you waste your fucking buddy and then they're like oh i somebody else so they come back the next day thank you for saving my buddy on that i'm gonna buy a whole bunch of other stuff what else do you recommend yeah because it's they're still gonna walk out of that store with a video game it'll just be different when they came in there to buy a game and god damn it they're gonna unless they came into buy the game specifically like oh yeah maybe because they pre-ordered it well they boys especially if it's on release day you know oh yeah well but they're gonna be like oh but my friends are gonna play it is like well then you can gloat to your friends that you didn't get suckered in like they did i'm you gotta play the long game my friend who we here at walmart yeah we're all about that give people what they need not what they want uh i think it's because the founder's name was sam walton so why don't i think he's also from arkansas we were just talking about john wane not john wane john cash johnny cash johnny cash show jc wait just hold on now we're diving down the rabbit hole walmart is based in bentonville arkansas so you're probably right wow everything happens i remember south actually i remember that from south block actually i don't think he was born he wasn't he was born in oklahoma however he was um he the first one that he made was in arkansas and really that's like your second birth right you're born the first time when you get squeezed out of your mother's vagina but your real birth is when you make your first business that's that's your real birthplace that's the new you what about when you build your second business and where you know you're already born okay you're already bored now some people would say that's being born again that's not normally how they mean it they mean it in different i mean it in religious context yes they do yeah i'm i'm born again i see the light i didn't see the light when you say you're born again ranks you're referring to a business you just died no i'm into um what's it called i'm i'm into uh unberthing that's one of my fetishes oh i like to put it back i like to either be i like to either crawl up into a lady's nether bits or i like to be ingested and then birthed out somehow do you put the um just come out with slimy mucus i like to consume the placenta for its incredible nutritional value none of this sounds economic you know um you're born again when you responded to video games so if you think about it you've been born again yeah jack thompson was right video games are demonic well how are they demonic being born again is like super christian right so if i know when you're born again that many times aberration yeah this is an aberration of christianity my friend that's like this is the devil's playground yeah let's just say clearly damien was casting spells to get us to resurrect that many times jesus did it the one time right not like the fucking million times uh yes i thought i think he was only yeah he was only yeah the lore was pretty specific on its big point that he was resurrected time for a segue the mcu is shit the mcu is speaking of things that need to be fucking born again thinking of things that need salvation uh this point is a trend well it is an unbearable trend for those who haven't been able to keep up with all of this for whatever reason and one division falcon the winter soldier lowkey and black widow uh i have consumed all available content relating to them as has rags and fringo and possibly meme repository and all j you say consumed i think force fed is more applicable yeah i feel like yeah it's um it's been rough but i feel like oh it's been bad it's been all misses with the ex is far from home is phase phase four that's no that's phase three technically that was in phase three off all right yeah phase four sucks yeah phase four is an unmitigated disaster well especially for character like damn like what they did yeah what they did to sound what they did to bucky what they've done to lowkey and what they did to natasha um i almost said what i i almost thought you said what they did to shazam uh i heard noise right yeah we'll get assassinated in his very fucking god no what's weird is that when you said shazam i was thinking of the chiquillo kneel one which one is he kazam kazam you said shazam i thought kazam i mean i i i am not even is that didn't he do what do you steal was that one he did for someone else yeah yeah he did steal as well i want a hero he was uh was he luke cage or was that laurence fishburn uh what uh my totally different person shazam shazam's like a bunch of children and they all get killed but i think who is it in flashpoint paradox it kills a bunch of them um no um well in flashpoint paradox uh uh well the um shazam of that universe was captain thunder i think um like in the gimmick was all five of them needed to say shazam at the same time to turn into captain thunder so it was kind of like captain planon actually thinking about it if shazam if so wait so if so he was a kazam was a cuz i just know of him i don't know what it says he a genie yeah grant fishes he raps oh he should have uh he should have wished he shot free throws better i don't know that's the rare that's a rare sports related piece of humor from rags everybody mark that down in your diaries is that wouldn't he wish for like the best acting career because that kind of outclasses the best basketball career right so well so here's the thing about shakilo neal is that even though he is a renowned actor um he was also before that he was known primarily for his performance in the national basketball association i know that one nba yeah that's right nba um so the reason i bring up the mcu isn't just to shit on it quickly it's to shit on it longly um we got uh so loki is out to up to five episodes and uh someone released a video saying that it's like it's like talk to who done right and so i was thinking do i know anybody who likes doc to who and i was like fringy and meme repository i think quite big fans yeah and um i know rags have seen like one or two episodes i've seen a few seasons i've seen a rick and morty uh yes and doc to who you see the oh okay i was adjusting my windows and then i was just chilling out on the internet and it was like recommended five hour rant angry about why women shouldn't be in doc to who and i was like uh oh my god let's go and change the video title to five hour rant colon angry and i was like yeah i guess i'll give the first few seconds a shot i played it and i was like yeah i'm not watching all of this and so i tweeted out what the fuck is wrong with people to make a five hour video about something you don't like like talk about things you do like jesus um it's almost as if you've been in my fucking room the entire day because this is the these are the tweets i've been going through i'm currently making a video about this well you know like it's nearly done it's probably gonna go out in the next few days i mean yeah you you get in you get in the long treatment and it's like god i need to make something long soon to get back on the long you will never understand what i'm going through right now hey once i finish the tfa series that's gonna be like 16 hours on one movie so i'll smash you be smashed because you did a whole series i've seen people say that it's like it makes way more sense to mola because it's like jay's cover and you know a bazillion years of content so yeah there you go i think way more sense than mola because star wars has only been around since it's like making sense the only thing you care about i well i care about like bunnies and stuff i like them bunnies make sense i feel like they're under the umbrella yeah yeah bunnies make sense you have to find something that doesn't make sense you do care about um ranting about something you don't like for five hours now that that's that's yeah and i like that that's crazy direct that's okay okay so anyway i saw this video and i was like that's pretty misogynist and i was like i'll contact the creator this is jay um i don't know can you explain yourself what the fuck did you make that video what's wrong with you i'm a misogynist well there we go compression thanks for watching everybody um we cracked the case you know and hopefully next time you'll make a 10 minute video and uh something bite size i guess it's about it's about it's about 20 minutes actually okay well i think finally there's some so i think you've learned if you saw that tweet like i got a while back where they said uh the correct ratio i think is is it two-thirds of the content you're covering is the maximum amount of time you're allowed to spend so yeah if you're covering i love how arbitrary it's getting well the whole point and they're very strong on this they said the whole point is that they wouldn't want it to like if the review is like ah you should watch it or you shouldn't watch it that's all reviews do so why would i watch a review i'm gonna just watch it you have to be shorter than it idiot idiot i'm glad we learned a lot today because for me i only ever watched reviews to to tell me whether or not to watch a thing and then i watch the thing or not depending on what the review said that's basically how i do it i have no sense of agency or self-importance they say it with so much pride you're like you don't even know what you're just saying is subterranean um so yeah i was like a doc two person and he goes bring on and um this is the one we've never actually covered before called uh full fad videos and um they said Loki is the antidote for bad doctor who which is a bizarre statement because as was implied just earlier we believe Loki is godawful um i suppose we could do a quick rundown of why that is we're gonna do a full breakdown of Loki in two weeks from now uh full black widow breakdown in one week from now but for now uh Loki's will building is possibly the worst things that have happened to the mcu and we already said the will building was pretty bad and falcon the winter soldier but this is different this is how the well i feel like i feel like the easiest way to explain what's wrong with this show is that when a timeline branches off for reasons unexplained they teleport it to the end of time where it is eaten by a giant purple fart cloud dragon why is that hard to understand like this is i i don't know how to stand just because you can type it in a script doesn't mean it should be there well there's just words can describe it doesn't mean that you should describe them i feel like Loki's the best example of someone if there's someone in chat who's seen a lot of the mcu but not everything maybe they saw edin game they've missed a few here and they're like what's uh what's been happening lately and you say Loki established there's an organization that controls time and space to a degree because they can use grenades to delete timelines that are created by people who do things they're not supposed to and thus they keep one timeline as opposed to multiple and the way that these timelines are destroyed is they are pruned which means they are like reduced back to the sacred timeline and either permanently deleted or sent to the future i feel like i have to pause there they can be destroyed and then yeah they they drop these pieces of the timeline which can be as large as a ship and who knows how much bigger or like a city new york yeah they just dropped onto a plane of some kind and then a giant smoke cloud eats them um how can you send time into the future yeah well here's the thing it doesn't make sense here's the big reveal i think what i like the most is that as i'm trying to think about how this fact is into endgame it's like oh so canonically the the 2012 versions of the avengers that we saw uh presumably were sent to this time and died very painful deaths at the hands of the fart dragon what if they yeah that's the thing um what if so like they're out there fighting i guess what if they what if they beat it yeah what if they win they are the avengers they're pretty pretty powerful i can't win i can't win loki has to enchance at an ability that he never had until this show well the power was in him all along for me yeah the power uh yeah was the power of he just needed to believe he needed to believe i just love that they all that like they showed that the death is not pleasant so it's like the avengers in it are unwittingly killed a lot of people very painfully by going back in time and irresponsibly messing with things this is why you don't want to factor loki in to endgame it makes it worse makes it much worse than it already was yeah and and just for those who are curious about the whole assassination part um if you remember loki 2012 is quite the evil bastard and he's awesome he's like yeah one of the best like well loki's pretty great throughout his whole timeline in the original mcu timeline anyway um but 2012 loki is probably him at his most evil he's uh killing lots of people he's enjoying the fuck out of it he's fully embraced being a villain and it's only um you can see little slivers of something happening in that movie like some little hesitations here and there and then thor 2 um he still commits to uh trapping odin and taking his position in asgard and then um ragnarok he still betrays thor and he's still an asshole to him until right at the end where he's like you know what i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna give you a hand here because you're losing actually and then by the end you get to the beginning of infinity war and he's basically come full circle this film sorry the series needs to fast track that compare if you compare the scene where um like odin is talking to thor and to loki and i kind of love odin and ragnarok um it's cool i wish he was giving him only a time but that's just me and nancy hopkins i guess yeah uh and when you compare all of that to the fast track they put him on in this show it is a stark night and day difference between the two in terms of quality and work and effort that went into it and it makes me sad well for those who don't know how they did it um very cleverly i will say using writing prowess that just impresses me to no end loki is captured by the tv a he's super evil they sit him down and they show him the mcu uh all the movies and then he cries yeah they show them everything that happened and he breaks down and cries and basically becomes that person when what would have really happened is that episode of south park where a really successful cartman from the future tells cartman to you know pull himself up by his bootstraps and study to which cartman told him to fuck off and then he would eat whatever he wanted and do drugs whatever he wanted so that's what would probably happen loki would actually say like fuck you now i'm gonna be even more evil you can't trick me i i picture it going much worse than they thought i picture him getting frustrated infuriated by seeing himself make choices he doesn't believe he would make um yeah and uh they pay lip service to the idea that he doesn't believe it by having him say it's a lie that he goes nope it's not he goes okay i guess it wasn't a lie you know i don't really like hurting people yeah um and to be honest with you it's not even fast-tracking him to loki from infinity wars it's it's kind of a different guy still um still he has dialogue that is just like the fuck and the the best example i think or at least one of them is when all these people are running around screaming while the apocalypse is happening and i think it might even be a dr they're zooming into like this crowd of people with loki's back to the to the screen and he goes they're going to leave behind all these people you're like um that's when do you give the fuck what the hell no we can't leave the philanthropist yeah he's such a he's such a good man um mobius is likable though i could just be owen wilson though i'm just saying i think it's just owen wilson is really chill i feel like this applies to a lot of like the at richard e grant loki a lot of that was just him you know yeah just and the alligator loki was just kind of like hey look little alligator loki ain't that neat yep kind of your alligator loki show do it i yeah you know that could actually be really funny alligator alligator loki going on adventures through time i was talking about this earlier uh i was saving that for phase 12 where they run out of everything else to do yeah probably it's like they could have the show could literally have been about Richard e grads loki there's no reason that could be awesome yeah and you could even have not the loki that we have right now but the loki from 2012 who is an evil bastard teamed up with him and yeah you know evil with old cynical and depressed about like how everything always turns out those two would sound like they'd make a fucking great combo yeah give me real old show yeah column just call the show old and the gators old and the gator going on adventures through space and time yeah and you know we never actually know for sure if the alligator is a loki or not not even at the end of the show yeah that's one of the that's gonna be one of the wonderful things about it um i just feel like the best character that the mc is written in a long time is the one that is an animal that has no speaking lines um funny that i in chat i think you guys need to rewatch the mc a lot of it doesn't hold up so who'd you hear that from was it us hmm have we said that before wait have we said that before i'm pretty sure we have said before that like on average the mc was probably like a five or a four i'm pretty sure i think right now it's starting to get towards like three levels yeah you're right it's i think it's probably i'd probably say three i'm not sure if you took the whole i think it's that's true you're right there's a lot of two there's been like six shit ones in a row they're really fucking the average right now every new release sinks a little bit lower it does everything we need we need to remind for those of you who are new in chat and for those of you who don't i guess no one i have to remind myself every once in a while everything after infinity war is shit except for far from harm yeah i know you guys don't like that yeah like it's everything after it's really person people love by saying that yeah but it's true by specifying that by specifying that far from home isn't shit you'll piss a lot of people yeah but it's okay we settled this we had a seven hour long debate and it was settled that yeah it's a soldier is worse so far from home isn't great look about why would you talk about movies for seven hours because we look yeah well at least i'm sure people might be interested in clarifying like it's a different kind of bad when you look at far from home compared to and looking on division and yeah like far from home is probably below it's probably like a four um but my god do i wish we were getting fours what a glorious four it is yeah what a glorious four that's true it's at least just got a character that i like that's nice and i say since infinity war i think i make that because for all the problems infinity war has it's got really good character stuff there there's legitimately great things in infinity war and i don't know if i i can't say that about anything that's come well uh after that was just for reference i like it here that one moment with thaw and rocket is better than anything in phase four yes it legitimately is so i think they score is disastrously bad in terms of character i think that's the problem is like infinity war and far from home were like the times that i've had in the last few years where i've like seen potential going forward for the mcu with the characters and like things that they can do but now i kind of have no confidence because it's we've had four four really bad stories with four protagonists who have been assassinated and like a trend of really shitty writing both in dialogue and plotting that has been a part of all of these stories so far i don't know what's happened but like it's deteriorated yeah the quality whatever we see that a character is in a show like when falcon and the winter soldier came out and we heard zima was going to be in it we were shitting ourselves via just and before we were so afraid we don't want to see the characters we love anymore that's what the mcu's done we don't want to see the characters we love anymore because we're so afraid they'll be assassinated and ruined yeah and that's what i mean like i see these things like oh dead evo is probably going to be in far from home and like and other stuff and if you were told me that a little while ago i would be like oh yeah cool now i'm just like fuck uh-oh like shit hell oh no i think he's opening cd execute someone to save spider battles over like no as long as yeah no and that's a realistic possibility now yep it gets it gets me nervous that's all um it's just i'm really not happy with how it's going right now just sucks yeah things are looking pretty grim but a lot of people feel differently we've seen very positive coverage of everything in phase four from many different people i i like to refer not doing this to shit on him right i guess you could interpret it that way agri joe gave a lot of low key episodes 10 out of 10 uh it's because angry joe is a fool i don't even like 10 out of 10 like oh it can't get better it must be that i want to get mana steal a 9 out of 10 did he wow someone uh said what are some of the problems in infinity war just think plot stones think plot stones yeah plot and stones uh is a short answer for you but yeah there's a lot of a lot of plot issues but thank god there's some great character stuff in there and thank goodness we got a great villain the joe's reigns at 10 9 10 9 9 right now man jesus christ i know what what worry what is his justification well i don't know this is the thing like if he was going to call i'd just be like let's just keep it nice and simple it's like why do they have such shitty tech stuck in like weird alien 60s aesthetic like why would they ever have that doesn't make any sense it hinders them in significant ways do you not consider this slightly a flaw i can see him being like yeah but it's awesome oh but i mean then at that point we can't have a conversation enjoying anything rags i literally just described the great things that i enjoy in infinity man that is uh well well we're going to enjoy anything i like the alligator yeah i like richardy you know what you know what and the rags really enjoyed rick and morty the two i did i really enjoyed rick and morty i really liked that yeah i laughed here and there and i was smiling throughout that will be relevant in five hours yeah boy uh but yeah i don't know uh just just f it's like we need to open every episode with this like yes we don't like a lot of stuff all right you'll be okay you're gonna make it through you'll be fine um so anyway another pit well so you've seen a lot of coverage probably of falcon winter soldier from as we looked at into brown table and um high top and whoever else they've said it's a fucking fantastic i think high top says the best content the mcu in years um and then oh one division was praised to hell and back like after they might even get it might even get nominated for an emmy yeah you know that's so yeah a lot of people having loads of fun with phase four and seven what you went all blah blah blah media awards they mean something yes wow yeah i'm out of my mouth yeah but like an emmy like breaking bad wins emmies like that's not i now know that like my audio is like my audio is gone really fucking if i say something and everyone just drops silent i don't know why that's the reaction to me going a blue we want to give you space everyone just stops want to spill out your thoughts um thoughts but yeah so there's a channel called uh full fat videos who is very much enjoying loki apparently and said it's the antidote for bad doctor who and so without further ado i believe we can check this out is everybody in the watch together but no i gotta be i'll be right back in just a second very well more like full time videos all right by the way on the on the subject of really frustrating disappointing stuff in the mcu taskmaster oof what a waste what a waste yeah i don't think anybody likes nobody like that i don't yeah that wasn't everybody disliked that moment i don't know why did they do mandarin well kind of yeah because like task taskmaster is like an actual person who has a perspective and talks and and thinks things and fights a lot of different avengers he's like a he's he's cool and he's usually like an enduring villain as well like he appears in a lot of stuff but he's never gonna be it's done you've wasted it you had the opportunity and you did nothing with it and you blew it yeah yeah they did have it all and they blew it like it's it's it's really lame there's like all right there's only two instances of taskmaster doing taskmastery things and otherwise taskmaster design look like shit the design is like seriously it's okay i i don't like it i'm not a fan of it either i wait for what i've seen in the comic versions of it um but yeah the comic is cooler yeah for sure in a way they would you clearly try to make it you know more practical and urban than um the one it comes across as i guess in the comics but i mean i don't know i would have preferred let's check out some alternatives to get some artists going here because that one was a little lame it seemed like a skateboarder or something like an edgy skateboarder you know my my favorite part was how taskmaster was so incompetent then instead of just letting black widow fall to her death he tackled her so that then she could use his parachute and survive the fall very clever kind of just let her die that was that was but he didn't because he's stupid his his her plans are beyond our comprehension yeah what i wanted to see was like a fight where you know that he's he's coming up and she's like i don't know whatever scenario to contrive or he does i was about to say whatever you have to do to contrive it not having guns and i was like well they did that uh but they didn't really know they don't have to contrive it they just don't use them when they have them um well that's that looks way better um yeah this one looks yeah i like this one better but i picture um you know they have they have their first fight and blackwood is kind of dominating at first but you know taskmaster has got a decent amount of endurance and then just slowly picking up the fight on his end until he does the thing he does in the movie where she goes to do a patented you know legs on head flip move but then he manages to counter and flip it all the way back and perform it on hers like that was cool that's something we want to see lots of creativity and in choreography and then the only other thing that happens is he gets up the same way black widow does and then that's it and they stare they stare at each other for yeah it's really weird there are only there's only ever really small stuff like he kind of did the winter soldier knife thing when he was fighting the red guardian yeah he has cap shield he has four guys bow if we're gonna get really like surface level i guess black and the balls and black but like that's it and they only ever use them once and don't do anything creative would it it's really like uh when fringy was describing because i'd heard the name taskmaster before but i didn't know really who the character was and fringy was describing what taskmaster's powers were sounds very cool very interesting um what a shame that that has now been wasted on this film well i could have been a full on really really vengeance villain and it could have been the the final fight is there like maybe three or four avengers that are lower tier have to battle him by using completely different and mixed up moves all the time they can't like state of their own patterns you're really cool well i just like him to keep showing up i'd like to have like a taskmaster who appears and then you know when he's losing the fight he runs off or something because he wants to come back next time because he's super pragmatic he's like fuck this i want to live like i'll come back oh my god a competent villain oh you're asking a lot there buddy i know i know what we should have is the villain explain his evil plan and then the movie thinks that they did what happened in avengers and just pillaged that line for their own crappy story i love how many lines from that movie glorious purpose was pillaged for Loki they pillaged the gushing red line and they pillaged the cooperation thank you for your operation yeah yeah before black widow broker knows on the table and then that's how she beat the bill because it's the big smell the big smell is what villain uses against when she says thank you for your cooperation Loki that points turned away from her and looks frustrated because he's trying to figure out what just happened meanwhile slam onto table blood everywhere i got you now okay this oh you're retarded and the clip that's been getting around where your liner blows up that helicopter this was fun no oh she's like a rag doll yeah what the hell are they doing it's not as bad as a ll though but yeah this is a little bit of a wonder woman cameo essentially yeah not just that is all again how fucking fake everything looked in that scene they kept between the both oh the whole the scene the movie was full of strange just clearly fake places that the whole movie it's it's like we're in this just age of things are clearly fake um i think i was saying to moller and fringy earlier um it's almost like we're getting the prequel cgi again just in a different like incarnation where it's good enough to be in the movie but you're really really relying on it a whole bunch when it just doesn't look good enough um but they're trying to push that to the next stage don't worry we know the practical sets in the prequels too yes thank you for letting me know that i've never heard that before thank you so fucking much um but yeah like oh we have a scene where black wood is in the forest and it's a green screen and i'm like you're disney you can't go to the woods and just film film in the woods that's the recently wood up a communist recently showed uh fringy unforgiven and um that film doesn't have any CGI in it like natural it's great and it sounds great what a great movie unforgiven was amazing yeah i love that movie now it's one of my favorites there you go we like stuff guys go watch unforgiven i'm sure most of you have seen it looking great those shots were gorgeous like the environments but that's what i mean the real world is really pretty like there are a lot of real world places that you can go shoot that will look nice you don't need to do it all in a computer i mean obviously you need to do it in a computer if you have black widow free falling skydiving in a fight with taskmaster because she is now a superhero and not just normal person jesus christ the plot armor in this the plot armor next week is our good we gotta do a full breakdown a good wow here's your little teaser yes here's your little teaser for the plot armor we're gonna go scene by scene and we're gonna take forever explaining how wrong everything is well just but but they need to know this one that black widow she she falls down about eight stories bouncing off a bunch of ducks and then she lands on her feet and just kind of grabs her waist that kind of hurt it was it was john it was like john wick three yeah she's dead i love the fact they had her lad with her feet that was so funny it's just like yeah that surprised me yeah i when i saw it i was like oh she landed on her feet how about that wow um wow so anyway Loki the antidote for bad doctor who let us explore the mind full fat like i said i think it's the first time we covered full fat videos so let's see what's up let's see what's happening for anyone who's been unsatisfied with what was that for the past few years it's been a rough old ride it's like to refrain from being negative about it because i've always thought it was fine to have a female doctor and i didn't want to contribute to the gluttony of potential negativity oh that hasn't been the problem we have to protect the feet we have to protect the actress when they're if it was if i would have criticized it more for what it was but the actress once you was a woman well i guess he's anyone want to slip into the genre of it's bad simply because she's a woman but i mean we then don't say that in your video just don't say it don't say it jay you said that a whole bunch of times didn't you i said that's my entire video it's just me saying it's bad because she's a woman slowed down to five hours it's being told it's like ancient angry joe gave black widow an eight out of ten which doesn't surprise me at all does he have a given a movie like a one or two or three or four or five why does he call himself angry makes us angry look i think i said this before but i felt this for a very long time it's a very clever branding because he's called angry joe that's his like name online therefore you can name all of his reviews angry reviews which is something that people like to click no matter what i think that's a bit of a cheat um but it's worked out fantastically for him because you can click and be like this wasn't an angry review and it's like people yeah there's angry joe's well yeah there's an angry joe yeah second name's joe because first name's joe angriessen because you'd think you would be like angry joe reviews blah blah but he calls it angry review that's very it's very deliberate i would say yeah that's um i sometimes they're actually angry review uh and you might even put angry review of blah blah i'm fucking furious or something you know like to actually let people know i'm actually angry with this one you got delighted joe anger inducing joe of course angry joe of course classic you have one let's see we got disney joe standard let's joe sell out joe um my personal favorite perturbed Pedro i don't know mad jose that's that's not as good that's just remember i i don't like to rush to gonna be mad mexicana i don't want to i don't want to just sell out he probably does really enjoy it he probably thinks it's awesome probably being completely honest yeah but uh you know it would be fun to actually figure it out someday i like it i like it hostile oh one of the recommended videos chat that's important to because it just it sounds like you're spaying you're saying hose which isn't bad i want to make sure we clear on that yeah we are pro hose is yeah we are pro hose that's correct so anyway so let's go around with video thanks for that but i also need to be honest with myself and with you that's why i've not really commented on it since the time this child i've instead wanted to talk about the things i like so there's room for honestly the people who do like this new era to just do so as they please if there's room for them this room nothing you could always just watch the show and enjoy it and not talk about it on the internet that's well there's this you see there's this room and it's the room is titled discourse a red room when everyone was uh talking about doctor who he was gonna put his take in there but he was like i'd take up too much room not gonna do that and then jay walked in splooge the discourse room with all of the goo and now look what you've done splooge goo discourse room is covered in fucking goo now i'm sorry i don't know if the efap can handle more goo i'm okay with more goo let's do it i don't know i don't know how i feel about goo sounds messy and making a bad review or something making a negative review of something doesn't mean that um people can't enjoy it and it's that fucking attitude that makes that means that reviewers get fucking shit for make the being negative about fucking anything you will contribute next time you make a negative video and someone goes uh why can't you just let me enjoy this you've contributed to that attitude now what do you put some of these things you'll be like you take it up a room in the discourse room what have you done alternatively this is i remember like even when i was a kid i found it frustrating if you have something positive to say that's great but if you have something negative to say your opinionated your dick keep it to yourself i'm i want it to be the other way around let me hate things like please well just let me hate things you have to fight for that for a long time always it's even it's even worse in the sense of if you it's okay it's only okay to hate things if i also hate them but even if i don't like the thing you like that's okay you just get a you get much more of a pass if you like something i just never heard the variable the variable before where you have to be like you can't be speaking too much otherwise the people who want to say the opposite thing aren't going to want to speak as much you know like right ah this is not how this works somebody mentioned somebody mentioned in chat toxic positivity that's very real thing there's a twitter account called toxic positivity which was spawned because of people talking about dr who i thought you were gonna say because people talk about cuties positively or something i heard i heard that's in a relation to like like uh the girl boss kind of self-help stuff where it's like you're not allowed to like push all the negativity out of your life it's like you know what sometimes negativity is useful sometimes things suck it's okay like we should learn from those things and not just run away from them and something i don't exist something can't be good if there isn't a negative to compare to exactly it's impossible exactly and so when you establish a video you find when they established in a video you know what i loved about this was how much it made sense you're like uh oh do you know what you just said do you know do you know if i flip what you just said around oh uh oh and and i guess that's yeah like when we watch something like unforgiven it's like the reason why i like this so much is because i can judge it compared to what other stuff exists that sucks it's like oh this is amazing for x reasons y reasons yeah you can go down the list it's unique there is no good without that otherwise it's just everything's neutral there's nothing it's just all flat well and i think that they there's some people who genuinely advocate the yes that's true but don't talk about the bad stuff and then when you'd have nothing good to say about the thing let someone else say the good thing about the thing which is what he just said what you should bottled up keep your negativity bottled up that's really healthy like he literally said he had nothing good to say about seasons was it 11 and 12 and so he's gonna shut up and let other people talk about what they liked about it they have room but then what a bizarre that's how your franchises die this is what happens in the oh yeah when you're not allowed to voice why things are bad they die youtube channel what it's his youtube channel they can just not go there they can have room everywhere else well the internet's pretty big but maybe not that big jay maybe not that big and the thing is he's acting like um if you post a negative review you can't talk about how what the piece of media was trying to do could have been done well in concept and then talk about how it was fucked up in execution like it's not like you assassinate the concept by talking about how the execution fucked up so what credit is due and talk about the things that it does well as well yeah and a lot of people try to pretend like those things don't exist in the long form videos like you don't try and suggest fixes or alternatives that satisfy the standards you've said haven't been met or compared to older stuff that is good because those things are positive the whole movie is a really videos are ranched up and it's like i even give credit to the current seasons when they deserve it yeah it's like a full probably 15 minutes of me talking about the uh current seasons which you could compile which is positive i think well if you'd split them all up in two 15 minute videos and they had titles that weren't like part one two three four five rather just doctor who sees mobile bar and then tagline that suits the thing you wouldn't have any pushback the most part from twitter i would probably have people going wow so many videos probably but if if some of them if the titles were neutral like you couldn't tell necessarily what you were saying well yeah then it would be fine that would be fine people care there are entire youtube channels dedicated to talking about doctor who is there are about you know like any other big name franchise if you want to tell me this new version of doctor who isn't for me anymore you're right i think it's really bad i also think it's interesting to examine why and what media has managed to succeed in areas that is not it's with a heavy heart that i say there's more fun to be had in three episodes of lowkey than there are in two seasons of doctor fun um they're fine fun hmm yeah is that what the important bit is is it the fun maybe important part um maybe i could say so if is it good because it's fun or i had fun with richardy grant more than i did anything i've seen to do with season 11 and 12 of doctor who so maybe a lot of people a lot of people argue that this is fun this is just being like nice and light and fun so like it's a chill thing when she blows up the amazon go nice and fun yeah that's pretty chill people do think that's fun well i have fun ripping on it it's just i mean i always feel like we should probably just badge this like yeah fun is kind of a really shitty metric um even though we all would use that word a lot of the time but when you say like well you know what the difference is between these two pieces of content one of them is fun it's like oh no if the movie can be fun and both terrible and fun and amazing then the fun part doesn't seem like it's all that important just not helpful for us figuring out what you mean when you say you had fun i'm like oh well what if you're in particularly well you have to go on you can't just leave it like that if you want to just tell us something i still think it's valuable like i'd rather watch the fucking tomorrow war than uh zack's night is justice league oh yeah absolutely well so we're pretty angry if it's gonna be shit so would i but if all you're looking to understand was um why i on a personal level do that it's like uh it's fucking quicker it's silly the part pasted away that makes me abuse that like it gets over the two hours or whatever like none of those uh if i have however said the the snider cut is way worse than the tomorrow war which i can't claim um can't claim which one is to be honest with you i uh yeah you know like this is an analysis breakdown video if you just said one is more fun which you know he's probably going to go on to explain why one is fun and one is not but at that point maybe that that that qualifies kind of useless actually you know all those e-fappers they're just hating on this all he said was it was fun and look they went on a three hour tangent about what fun is and what it means well everybody uses it right it must be terrible at parties i uh i just find it interesting what the goal of saying that is in the script when you know someone out there is like what are you fucking talking about look he wasn't fun doctor who was fun so you're gonna have to explain this out there's definitely proportions of people saying that in the comments there's always gonna be that person who found the snider cut way more fun than batman and robin and i will never understand them they're they're insane i often use like i had fun with it as kind of a shorthand for i don't really have anything of substance to say about it i just kind of have an emotional i just want to bail from this conversation well i had fun well yeah if someone said what did you enjoy about tomorrow war i'd be like i don't really know i just found some it's really dumb but i just had fun with some of it funny i wonder if you could analyze what aspects of it what standards it has to meet to be fun well step one would be figuring out which scenes i enjoyed the most and then i have to look at what's in them and be like why would i have liked this and not the rest of it and why would i have liked this one i think it's poorly written you know gotta get to the answers for those questions i like us what's the what's the closest equivalent to the tomorrow war that is no fun at all um an action uh science fiction light um time travel movie it's not i feel like the time travel doesn't need to be in there yeah it's almost not a time travel movie it's almost i don't it's almost yeah i yeah loop arrow looper yeah i get looper vibes for for some of it but i feel like the monsters like are a big part level we got it was world war z maybe i could maybe i could wait for some people if the world war z is brilliant just for the scene where he stops in the middle of saving the world for a nice refreshing pepsi hey listen wasn't wasn't it a coke or am i mispronouncing it was definitely a pepsi he's in front of the fucking huge pepsi machine it's like a fully just commercial shot i love that scene so much um yeah i guess what you were gonna point out there was dirty for doing that there's like a sort of an element of what's making it fun versus not right and that is will be interesting to explore the problem really honestly is though that's so it changes for everybody gaming you're so right battle for battle for los angeles oh i remember that was yeah i remember that i feel like i sort of enjoyed it i didn't watch it so i don't know i wouldn't but it was like i feel like i sort of had some fun with it i sort of enjoyed it too yeah um i that's the thing i don't i think i enjoyed because it was so fucking stupid at every level i think i enjoyed tomorrow war a little bit more but then again i watched it with some friends yeah we're all laughing at it together yeah so it's not like a really fair comparison i feel like i would have wanted to fucking execute and when watching that if i was on my own i'd be like nah i need to talk to someone about how stupid this is otherwise i'm just wasting my time because it's so not to be clear with everybody in chat tomorrow war is one of like the worst movies i think any of us have ever seen it's fantastic after we watched it we had to ask ourselves if it was actually the dumbest movie we'd ever seen it's so bold and yeah i don't i know we say that a lot but it really might be the dumbest movie we've ever seen it's not our fault that everything keeps breaking reality recently which was what we set out as our rule well before these things came out that that would end you were one and so everything keeps fucking doing it it tomorrow war was hilariously stupid it's time travel is like i feel like children can come up with better time travel in school when they're learning about the concept yeah fascinating yeah there is an efat movies recorded for it but no guarantees on exactly when that'll come out we got lots of different projects being created in the background that's the thing with efat movies you'll just suddenly be like oh my god extraction okay oh my god this okay yeah but we did watch it and we that was pretty good um i will say we talked over lots of the talking scenes in the tomorrow war so maybe we have a lesser view of it than we would have or the more likely we skipped over parts that made even less sense and we didn't notice when the tomorrow war snider cut comes out we'll get all the important character stuff that didn't make into the final cut oh yeah the efat movies snider cut that's still on the way and that's gonna be a hulking leviathan that you guys are all gonna have to you know really enjoy it's been a while since we actually first watched it but this thing this will show you what it was like for all of us how we suffered torture we're gonna revive 42 minutes yes it is yes it is yeah man 49 seconds in whoo-hoo watching the show after the timeless children i.e i have not watched the very latest ep and i no longer have you got to admit why would you say i.e why would you say i.e why would you say ep no why is that means so i.e is it est that is um jeffrey ep didn't kill himself that's a strange do you think that's strange to say i.e no no not not the saying of it like i wouldn't have used that in terms of like he said something that like he just said something again instead of trying to rephrase it in a way that i know i guess contextually was more informative or anything like that well we can we can give it a replay in a second i was just gonna say to catch everyone up i can do this and and j could too but that's how much of a genius of dr who i am now um the the the retcon because there's gonna be people in the audience who will know this as well but lots of people who don't that uh you may have heard of dr who there's time traveling space traveling alien man who helps people out here in there the uh the history has been retcon now so the you know what j you should probably explain it because i'm going to get it wrong was it like you said ep you fell out of a pole i was in the um the doctor used to be a just normal uh normal citizen well not citizen i guess normal member of a society who left that society because they didn't like it and then travels through space and it was retconned in the latest episode that actually uh that society uh the doctor is a hugely important figure in the history of that society and that society like found the doctor in space who was not actually from that society it turns out was actually just from somewhere else um these people found the doctor uh and stole all of her like genetic power to fuel their society and that's the retcon yeah it's completely changed your understanding of doctor who as the origin point you're like what yeah it changes the origin of the the character of the doctor and of the uh the society that he comes from is yeah we still don't even know where they came from right no it's just listen to the doctor's species on the doctor who wiki now like you know they have species yeah it's like the doctor's species that is the oh now and it has an article now as well the doctor's species because they fucked it all up dude that must have been so fucking that must have been a significant moment for those people who keep control of those wikipedia's where they're like i have to go into something doctor's race or species whatever i have to i have to edit that fucking you know column whatever i i have to actually change it i never wow here i go doctor who's species like a doctor's species doctor who's species just give it a name the flame i thought you were the time oh is that that's not the species that's the society no that's all the time lords is the well time lord is a ranker of species depending on who you ask and that's what the doctor was but now the doctor fell out of a portal or whatever when they found super young not the case anymore he stopped watching the show after the timeless children i i have not watched the very latest app oh i see what you mean now in context feels like a weird place to put that yeah i see yeah that f also just that app no no fringy that's how the cool people see it feels like when somebody says pick it's like just say picture or photo if you're going to expand the effort to make a 40 minute video you you might like expand the effort to watch if like our long episode of television just to make sure that it doesn't change like any of your points or whatever perhaps perhaps the timeless children i.e i have not watched the very latest app and i no longer have any plans to watch series 13 if you want to know why i don't like it then please check out my video and he's cool he's down with the hipness i feel like we're talking to a yeah with the hipness he's down with the hipness who are how do you do i love get i'll get down with the hipness yeah it's not all edgy and get down with the hipness like oh uh uh uh he said wait did you see have a video going over why it's bad did he just say that he does well it sounded like he just said that which i thought he said that he's destroying the discourse by doing the last wait he does have one that's about why it's so bad yeah the timeless child i think i guess he changed his mind have any plans to watch series 13 if you want to know why i don't like it then please check out my video on that episode in short it wasn't the kind of contradictions that bothered me about the timeless child it was the ridiculous retconning of the doctor's character to make her born great a backstory no one asked for that does nothing but convoluted what it means to me the doctor so you're okay with wait so you just said i'm not i'm you just said i'm okay with it i'm not okay with it well yeah surely he said he didn't want to add to the discourse of anti-waman too i'd be like damn you'd veering close surely you'd worry about that when you complained about the or i'll let you be fine with it if it was a man he does this video is dr who series 12 was pretty good until it wasn't that's i've seen that and i recommended i've not watched it though pretty good until it wasn't i'm gonna be honest yeah after watching your video i don't know where the pretty good part was i mean there was that one episode wasn't it yeah but that was right near the end so yeah it was pretty bad until it was that it was bad yeah it was a slight bump and then you know it was like you know how you have a speed bump that was a quality bump um and then it was right back to a normal business not watch the very latest ep and i no longer have any plans to watch series 13 if you want to know why i don't like it then please check out my video on it from last year in short it wasn't the canon contradictions that bothered me about the timeless child it was the ridiculous retconning of the doctor's character to make her born great a backstory no one asked for there's nothing but so he really values one canon over another canon and the bus seemed kind of important he was gonna say i thought you were kind of gunning for the fact that he said it's not canon contradictions i care about it's the fact that you've retconned the doctor's origin it's like so you mean yeah he doesn't care that it contradicts things he cares like what the new thing is and that it's worse than the old thing i feel like i'm fine with that as a statement i don't know if it isn't isn't the frustration with a retcon that it's contradicting what was yeah a retcon is violating i feel like i feel like you can you can be like this contradicts like this contradicts stuff or you can just be like this is a worse idea than what we had before i feel like those are both valid criticisms sure but i don't think i don't i don't get that at all from what he said let me um let me clarify that then so if doctor who from the get go was doc the doctor explains himself in like series one or whatever that i am incredibly special on my planet i don't even know how i got there and they all for some reason that just comes out and so that was the set history for the doctor the whole time this wouldn't have bothered him right yeah i guess in which case uh could it then be argued that he's like you're changing what i thought it was to a different thing and i don't like the different thing i want you to go back could categorizing that as a contradiction when i feel like i feel like i know what he meant and i'm fine with what i'm pretty sure he meant he just doesn't well couldn't you cat it because like you know when you contradict anything in law a lot of people i think would be like i don't really care that you said lightsabers have you know a 10 000 year battery and they eventually run out because that that almost feels like a contradicts something but whatever it's it's fine but you know contradicting like a hyperspace ramming for example it's like it's not it's never usually a contradiction on its own it's usually like what it means contextually or how it fucks everything or doesn't um so he says like i think that's what at least what rags were saying like it's like he's choosing what kinds of contradictions fuck him over or not and it's usually just preferences then yeah which i'm i'm okay within theory not all canon is equal you know um you know in a star trek sequel if they want to replace all the the the buttons and knobs of the original series with something a bit more believable is like technically that breaks canon but i'm fine with it you know uh you know but that was that would be a discussion i know it's it's not really something he's probably going to get into no i i the fact you just brought that up i feel like they'd be like wow why are you even talking about that for example aliens is set in the future but the technology is so low grade compared to what it would be if they were to remake it um or you know like the the screens i forget what they're called um but they just have like a black i think they'd get in a lot of trouble if they uh change the aesthetic of an aliens movie like that if if we had a direct sequel to alien well i was about to say prometheus is a direct prequel right um and covenant and the technology in that is fucking far away one of the things i'd change about those movies if i had to uh remake them was to stick with that aliens aesthetic that was one of the things that people celebrate and including me about um alien isolation they had they kept all of the old tech from the yeah it looked great it's really cool it's got an awesome look to it and i mean i can believe it like i can believe that you know it's it's not like so far-fetched that it would break my immersion that you would have it's not like the tv a stuff you know where it's such a huge leap um and it's such a weird mishmash but uh on this child it was the ridiculous retconning of the doctor's character to make her born great a backstory no one asked for that does nothing but convoluted what it means to be a doctor and the notion that they became great by helping out passing through learning that it was their actions not like godly extra dimensional powers that made them the beloved character we know them to be i can agree with all that i can absolutely agree with that i don't even really i just in general i think that's a good that's a good move yeah we typically don't like it um for a lot of car especially for the retcon but a lot of people get tired of it in like video games where it's like you i hate chosen ones yeah you're the one to do all of the things i hate on the thing is the fact that she's a chosen one hasn't had any impact on the story at all whatsoever yet so it's like this argument holds up in theory but it's like no point has it um has it actually been like i'm special therefore that's been relevant yeah therefore x it's literally just been like i'm special i know this now anyway like that's that's the whole story um the only therefore x is that therefore someone else is angry about how special i am well in that case do you think that it is actually the fact that it's a contradiction and not what it means that annoys him um i think i think that people look at this as the um ultimately i i think the doctors i feel i feel like people are too harsh on um on it conceptually um and it's more in its execution that it fucks up um because conceptually i mean i still hate it conceptually like i do not like the idea of her being this special person but um inherently her being a special birth doesn't take away from the fact that she's special also because of her actions it's just kind of blank does it have an implication that she was able to do all of the things that she did no no it never implies that she did because it never implies that she did what she did because she was special yeah because there's a lot of people that have the powers that the doctor has and chooses not to do what the doctor does so you can definitely make that argument yeah it's just a very vestigial addition to the friend well yeah and you and you wonder where they're gonna go with it in future now what they're gonna use what we're gonna use about this to do something else and i guess yeah will that be fuel for her able to do something that she wouldn't have otherwise been able to do it's not it doesn't actually take away from any of the existing achievements it's more so look she's super special and i'm like okay okay i'm sick of super special characters please stop yeah can we have some normal people it's like we've had a character who's been fine not being super special for like 50 years can we just keep the not super special please i was simply done i didn't watch revolution of the daleks i don't care i got that episode man whoa i like the conga line of daleks just we've a lot of us here have watched that uh yeah rags your first doctor who episode i think i was born new earth and then i saw this that's what i was saying meanwhile rags has been showed like some of the greater episodes i saw jay's video and jay's video yeah i feel like i'm an expert mm-hmm god that episode though don't need captain jackson wheeled out in a lame effort to bait me and still giving a shit the trailers did nothing to dissuade me from the fact that it was going to be just as thoroughly mediocre as the rest of the era the reviews wow hater you know what i mean wow see it and he was hating on it he called it mediocre that i mean that's a that's a common interest that's a common these days especially came out i saw some twitter chatter and it turned out it was fine it sounded fine oh just fine oh not great it's very bad as the time as children but nothing to make me get out of my chair i've been calling it fine so like yeah like you can't blame him for this take if he if he looks at all the people on twitter have been saying and goes yeah you know it was fine i guess everyone's saying it was fine it shouldn't surprise me but it does the people would call that episode fine but okay i guess because it really felt like um regurgitated dr who not like a creative episode um regurgit yeah regurgit who yes well i mean not an original element in it really not really no um doctor threw up the doctor is through dr poo no you can't do that one no one's ever made that joke before dr who who that joke isn't dr new no well didn't she destroy the old TARDIS as well yeah a sentient creature she uses as a trap and blows it up they do not remember that when they do stuff like that i don't think they don't make them the nearest i wonder if it's they don't remember or if they just don't care and they hope the audience doesn't think about it they don't know to not care if you interview them about it they're like it was a worthy sacrifice and then someone looks at them is like is that was that is that oh yeah yes i feel like i feel like if that's the case the discussion should be taking place about such a discussion like before or after would be fine you know it's like should we do it should we do it this way before or like man it sucks that we had to do it like that afterwards first like five minutes of the next episode they're like oh my god i'm so sad we did that oh so what are you telling me that the writers who made it so that the first gallifrey and space traveler ended up exploring other galaxies didn't think through the implications of the TARDIS as being sentient can we wait to clarify for people in chat um she destroyed an old TARDIS question mark uh she destroyed a new well it was a newer TARDIS actually she killed the baby just one that she found uh oh she just found it you know yeah damn a baby TARDIS she murdered a baby mom mom mom she took a bunch of daleks though and i'm sure they won't return that is pretty cool i had fun is there a counter for that how many times the daleks have returned we have to see they have to contract right there was part of um that was part of my video i cut it out um like they've been they've been ultimately and completely defeated several times you can then come back no way you know how many times that happened in the classic series one bow three times once damn well yeah because the first time you'd think oh they've been totally and utterly defeated that means they can't come back kind of by definition no like yeah you know when you're writing a series and you're like when you're writing a series and you're like seven years into it you think you're probably like you're going to assume that you're at least you know more than halfway through right maybe i feel like if i was writing season seven of a show i'd be thinking okay we probably want to start wrapping things up now like at least yeah like a lot of shows like we don't like we still have stuff that we can do with the show but we should like start wrapping up some of the initial plot lines we introduced so like those those dalek guys we could have them being ultimately defeated right yeah like we could we don't have to hold on to all of that old stuff we we can we could actually try some new things and we don't have to ruin the old the thing is they were introducing some new villains that were becoming really popular and successful and they're like oh we can have the daleks be completely defeated and then we can bring out the cybermen is like their replacements and that's what they did for a while kind of just um someone in chat said moeller apparently black widow was written from start to finish in 11 days i can believe that i am not shocked i can believe i am shocked it took them that long to write that that's that is satanic as far as i'm concerned if they hired me to write black when they said i had 11 days i'd be like i can't do that in 11 days the script of black widow i think they could have read it wrote in an afternoon maybe they didn't write at all it was just candid everyone's on set and going you know what this is happening now i see the script and oh no no i gotta protect the script because of leakers no one else can see the script but me i'll just write down individually what you have to say it took him a long time because he didn't actually have a script he's making up as he went along the interesting thing about the daleks is that they're kind of in this intellectual property hell where the bvc has to use them every single season or they can never use them again ever um because um the daleks are technically owned by a different estate um so they had to get a contract this isn't this isn't officially confirmed by the way oh is it not i'm fairly sure this is just this is um very popular speculation but i don't think it's trying to make sense of it they have to bring the daleks back okay well that's the thing um it's it was being speculated about for a while that they contractually had to appear every year or they'd lose the rights uh and then after like it started being speculated about there were a lot of like um years when they didn't like have a story with them they had like a weird out of the blue cameo anyway so it's like it seems very oh they just needed their their yearly appearance so they didn't lose the rights like if you if you watch it knowing with that information it's like oh that's why that scene is there you know yeah but they do tend to show up call a fan for stick i don't what what does fan for stick do oh the the movie that they had to make to keep the rights to fantastic oh yeah yeah yeah oh the 1994 fantastic four film that that's a movie it's better than fan for stick probably is probably uh other in my living room the one closest to the tv look if this wasn't dr who and i'd sat through two seasons and then finished with the timeless children an episode that i just hated on so many levels i would have given up so i don't see why just because it's dr who that i have some blind loyalty to it and i should keep in i should keep watching something that i don't enjoy right i'm gonna take if you want to yeah i agree sure perfectly fine but at the same token i should be allowed to keep watching it because i'm invested in where it came from and be frustrated by taking it both of those are totally valid absolutely yeah yeah i've taken the decision to just step away from it if other people enjoy series 13 they can but it's not for me anymore if you like the direction that showrunner christ chibbner was taken and the creative decisions behind season 11 and 12 so he's still he's still saying it's not for me anymore not it's bad you know it's i it really minor little thing like that but it's welcome to come at criticism from that philosophy yeah sure i just that's how we you know it's it's the little tiny things um i just feel like it's a bit of a shield from like i'm not saying it's bad i'm just saying it's not for me and then his head is like it is bad though that's why it's not for me um just a little thank you well he's saying it's not for me and i think it's bad he's never declared it to be bad he keeps saying like you know it's it's a step it's a step i think it's bad it's bad in my opinion but yeah we're we're getting there one day he will he will be this is a perfectly valid philosophy to come at criticism from you don't need to you don't need to declare everything um i want him to jam on coax him out with some cheese and he's gonna eat it and then you'll say okay fine i think it's bad and i'll be like full fat cheat well good i wish i could enjoy it but for anyone like mine who is desperately searching for an alternative to scratch that itch i think low key is the perfect antidote oh no here we go i don't know what he's gonna say but yeah here we go it's bizarre from someone who showed a lot of concern for rewriting character backstories to have them say that low key is the antidote for that oh god you know that he's gonna say that that seems excellent this is the thing is we got 40 minutes and this is coverage of episodes one through possibly four or five i'm not sure if he's covering five in this one i'd have to check the dates is that gonna get copyrighted i don't know um we're probably okay low key is in many ways doing exactly what doctor who should be doing no no no no it's supposedly celebrated for has not really gone as far as low key seems willing to go above all else it reminds me of to necessarily go far maybe going far is really really bad maybe you shouldn't go far for the sake of going far we're gonna have to see you should go good exactly what he means by this i don't know what he means exactly what he celebrated for has not really gone as far as low key seems willing to go above all else it reminds me of good doctor who not because of all the comparisons i'm about to go into but merely because it puts story first put story first it puts quirk and production value before anything else it's sure as hell isn't story if something has a story the story is the unrelated as far as i'm considered if you said it puts plot character theme or world first i don't know what you mean but when you say put story first i mean it is a story they're all stories and we just appreciate that he says that with the screen cap of this episode literally uh like i assume when someone says it puts story first i assume they mean stuff like it puts story before like setting up other stuff or brand tie-ins or whatever you know but i don't know it's a very vague thing to say i guess we'll find and tie-ins like he doesn't run into the like like we'll be in the next show or i feel like if people said it doesn't uh uh fucking avengers age of ultron doesn't put story first it puts setting up other movies first i don't understand what they meant you know yeah um well let's see what he qualifies it as i guess time and effort has been put into this and surprisingly affecting series unless they do a bomb show as ridiculous as the notion that the doctor is regeneration ground zero i'm sorry what episode what is the bomb show to you then the bomb shell is ridiculous that i feel like look you've gone further than this like they've the bomb yeah it's a whole universe nobody makes any choices unless they're approved by a giant a person controlling a space boss that eats time like i feel like we're getting further and further along at the absurd yeah i feel like when you recontextualize the entirety of the cosmos you've created you're you're done it's over i feel like there's a wreck on there yeah i don't know but yeah but how can you be okay with that and not well you think he even recognizes that's what it is even a blatant as it is do you think he even like his brain registered that's what they did what's interesting to me is that you can consequentially prove it's much more of a flaw for Loki than it is for doctor who because when you try and spot the problem in doctor who more so a preference right now of like i don't like that that's doctor who's origin the noise me and it's frustrating but like does it directly contradict anything that was stated in stone there's probably a couple of details here in there but Loki oh hang on sorry yeah it contradicts fucking plenty okay weirdly there are a couple of supporting references but my favorite contradiction is that it now means that canonically a previous relationship in the show has been turned into incest oh that that's um yeah i remember you mentioned i can explain that if you like why why not i mean i mean did they know it was incest um well that's a really fucking funny scene actually now you come to mention it so okay so the doctor gets the doctor gets like married he has a wife in in an arc in the show and his wife has like the the ability of regeneration which is the region like you know the the one of the powers that the time lords have his wife can regenerate he can regenerate and that's chill because you know regeneration is just an ability that you can develop right and canonically in that in that season it's implied that she developed regeneration by exposure to time travel right that's the that's the explanation that they are the time board yeah um so and that's that's we ran with that we were happy with that for a few years but um in the newest season it's made oh by the way just just a quick quick quick quick extra detail there the doctor also like um was implied to like have sort of like a will they well the doctor had like sort of a will they won't they think with this character's mother for a while it's kind of weird don't don't question it um so the doctor had been like suggested to maybe be romantically involved with the character's mother but then wasn't according to the show and then he marries this character's daughter it's a bit less creepy than it sounds but still a bit creepy right uh hey i always have a plan b that's what i said yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean that's no that's a solid strategy because you know whenever you're gonna date someone you know look at their mom because she's gonna end up looking sort of like that you know reuse down the road so you want to do a little you want to play the long game you want to make sure you're really getting into something in the retcon it's in the retcon it's explicitly stated that regeneration can only be a genetic trait which means the the only way that this character could have got regeneration is if they're the uh they're the descendant of a time lord and the only time lord around at this time was the doctor and the doctor also had a will they won't they think on screen with this character's mother before she was born so i mean very clear like implication of that is that um is that she is his daughter but then my favorite part is that when um the scene when he finds out that um that his wife is the daughter of her mother because like that relationship isn't known to him like the mother daughter relationship isn't known to him for ages um when he finds out um there's loads of dialogue in that scene that it can be reinterpreted when you know that like it can really be reinterpreted when with uh when you're interpreting this as not he's found out that this is his friend's daughter he's found out that this is his daughter he says stuff like oh oh oh but we uh didn't we um oh and then she's like yeah we did and and then he's like that's really weird but he's okay with it maybe that's uh maybe i mean hey was legosis said in chat keeping it in the family yeah we home spaced gamma kind of like fast and furious yeah like the pharaohs do doctor who old boy yeah there are a few there are a few contradictions technically that isn't a contradiction yeah i was about to say that's actually not a contradiction that's just uh squeamish i mean i guess i guess i feel like the doctor wouldn't be okay with incest as a character like i don't feel like he is a character would you incest so i feel like that's the contradiction maybe why is that i'm gary and maybe you underestimate the doctor i don't know yeah maybe the doctor just fucking loves it that's his favorite kind of sex as the incestual variety of uh sex that he has with his family well regardless i still think that loki has generated an enormous crazy level of contradiction compared to this um but he still thinks that this is way worse like all right oh my goodness so i was just thinking about loki that i thought you were about to continue the incest conversation when you said that loki developed a huge interest in himself so yes loki has developed a huge amount of incest compared to is it incest to sleep with the alternate dimension female vision of yourself no well genetically that would be a sisterly relationship well it depends how alternate dimensions work well yeah i suppose if she has like your genes in a sense from different parents i assume it would of incest but you would have the genetic maybe yeah there's a genetic part which is yeah so in a you know in a sense yes and in a sense no i depends how this depends how um alternate dimension genetics works for reference uh jay this this person this girl he knows her for i want to say less than a day i'm not even 100 sure and then he's told that she's dead when they get separated and he like starts to tear up and then uh turns out they're trolling him and they go no she's not dead and he goes oh it's like um i'm gonna take my dick in that loki's like does he fucker he's suddenly become like the most sentimental character in the mcu it's just like i don't remember yeah he really cares about other people he's quite the philanthropist yeah i mean you want a pattern on the head of you okay you know it's a lie we tell us no we don't want to fuck our sisters charoting his incest yes i don't have the walver pineapples weapon x and are being so alien they're not even from gallifrey anymore okay then i don't think loki is going to drop the ball well i really don't see oh wait he did he dropped the ball wait he had started to drop the ball when he had he's gonna like that i thumb yeah he dropped the ball yeah um and i i i feel like loki's dropped the ball every single episode but okay all right let's see how he perceives the episodes if you like marvel doctor who video analysis what you just like being told what to do oh no i thought it was gonna be a dad too this is still really crazy though it's like okay could you leave this for the end of the video if you need this part in there like don't do this in like three minutes in well it's funny he's like if you like marvel doctor who obi one kenobi obi obis obis son who stays on the internet obi two kenobi saying if you like marvel doctor who video analysis and being told what to do then subscribe i just feel like man it's not really a good salya channel there's a lot of people doing that he looks like cj i could see it i can kind of see it i think all of that subscribe to me yeah jade is all that stuff we do that on e-fab now we're doing video analysis marvel and doctor who are you doing why would you put the hey subscribe like you haven't done anything yet because for you the statistically works uh which is by the way the reason statistically works that's why people do it and it's like that's a shitty reason to fight that's a crap reason to do anything like there's a lot of things that you could do that will statistically make it work likely for people what i'm saying is like there's a lot of things you could do that will maximize your utility that you don't do because you don't like it this this is i lots i'm pretty ambivalent on the idea of telling people to subscribe um because there are people including myself who just flat out don't even just like think to do it a lot of the times because i i generally will watch videos based on my recommendations because i go and kind of cycles and on youtube as to what i watch and then i will like rediscover youtubers that i used to watch and just fell away from so if they say hey you should subscribe i'm like oh yeah that's right yeah just subscribe and get up to you because that's just how i'm a little frustrated actually right now because it's like it's not about whether or not not that you rags a chat it's not about whether or not it's it's gonna get you more viewers it's a matter of like does this not harm your video you're making a point and then halfway through you're like oh by the way subscribe to my channel if you like marvel and i feel like it's harmless if you say it for like three seconds and yeah this is all an execution i find it um off-putting um but that's just gonna be really subjective at that point i don't i don't like it the way it's done here um however there are there are certainly ways to do it then like i i only like to do it if i can make a joke out of it um and then yeah that's the thing with the way to do it yeah that's one good way to do it um way further on the video seems better wait until you made a point well yeah these barely yeah in between points not interrupting your own point to do it which by the way is indicative of the reasoning being that you tell him to subscribe once you feel you've offered something worthwhile rather than my introduction now subscribes like that's weird but okay um and then of course the execution of it this one this one's awkward to me as well because of the drastic audio quality change um yeah that's another part of it it's a big execution of the thing aspect um i think it's so much comes down to how do you do it this almost feels like i should remind myself it like the video was done and then he decided to put this in it has that feel to it yeah instead of it being yeah a message that was designed to be where it was supposed to be cool if you integrated it uh better and put more effort in i guess that would be the yes absolutely but i'm fine with it i'm in like a delve note in a long time oh if you tell me for digital art and video edits then head on over to instagram all right so it wasn't three seconds oh here we go why is this here i was gonna say why wouldn't this be at the end it makes way more sense for this hey it's only three seconds into or even in the middle because it's 40 minutes so you know if someone gets through 20 minutes of a video i mean you've clearly they're clearly interested if you've had them in for that long that's the those would be the people who would subscribe anyway you know also i guess what is this lightsaber is a doctor who that that never happened that ought to lie that's the that's actually a function of the sonic screwdriver j can you confirm true sonic light i told you i watched j's video i'm a doctor who expert wow i feel like i i i know the things very well all just looks like basically any time when you get creative dude you got the music on way too loud if you're gonna have this shitty audio quality i'm sorry yeah i'm very hesitant to put music and a lot of my stuff and what i do it's i listen to it many times to make sure it's quiet it feels like the music is more so balanced for his other portions of the video rather than this part and so yeah he didn't adjust it over it follow my thoughts by going directly inside my brain or if you want to make that one man he's still going ad for his twitter or something most the idiotic doctor who star was cross out how did you predict there was an ad for twitter have you seen this before twitter ads for videos have you on stock and twitter hey i have a question so if you own stock in twitter and you make an ad for your twitter is that legally a conflict of interest and you have to disclose that to the public why wait sorry what if you if you own stock in twitter and you do an ad yeah so my stupid question was if you own twitter well and you do an ad for your twitter in your video without disclosing uh that you have stock in the company you're promoting is that is that something that you have to disclose legally no the the illegal part would be if you didn't disclose that it was a paid sponsorship like you're allowed to and in fact depending on your position in the company you're advancing the interests of the company so like it's why would there be an issue with that i don't i don't know i'm just asking it asking questions just asking questions here on e-fap it's not a conflict of interest because it's in in favor of your interest well it's it sounds like a good time company and that's all it's it's a bit complicated what about like um the csco loto stuff how does that compare all right well the so that one was it was a lot of things from what i remember because it was like they didn't they didn't tell people that they were behind the company i'm not sure how relevant i think a lot of the issues with the csco loto was to do with the actual infrastructure of that website itself and like that there were a lot of kids using it i can't remember exactly um yeah that's right um i i guess i'm what what would be the conflict of interest rives in like promoting something that you own stock in would it be the idea that like nothing i don't i don't think i would say that i don't know you could say that there might be an ethical well let's put it this way i would say that there might be an ethical like for instance like when people do stock picks and they don't tell people um i own this stock it's like well there is a conflict there you might not be giving really sound advice because you own that and you want it to go up which is just like isn't that that's more something recently with um the phase clan people they were like their thing was that they promoted a crypto coin something like save the kids and they owned a bunch of it yeah no they they owned a bunch of it before it was publicly accessible and as soon as it became publicly accessible a few of them just like completely unloaded their position onto the people who bought into it and then it crashed so they got loads of money yeah um but the problem is the crypto is kind of unregulated so if you did that in the stock market you'd probably get in trouble for that but it's crypto so they're probably fine it's so disgusting save the kids like fuck you you just go really far down the totem pole at that point to make money yeah that's uh it should be called say i think what they should have called it is save steve jobs i think because the first time i'd heard any of it was um when they there was a tweet that someone had retweeted where it was just like the members of phase clan that have done this have nothing to do with phase clan as a whole and they are going to be removed now it was just like well the reason why it was uh there's a youtuber called coffee zilla who covers a lot of these things and that was where i found out a lot of the information on it does a lot of stuff related so you remind you to subscribe to his uh channel not that i have three minutes in much i don't certainly not four four that's four we're at 355 that's four we're four minutes in well the ad didn't start at 355 yeah i'm a little so in chat somebody's mentioned like oh full fat videos has more subscribers than me in reference to the idea of putting in like these ads i'm not sure like what do you is i doubt that the difference i doubt the subscriber uh discrepancy between the two is because fringy doesn't say hey subscribe in an obnoxious out-of-place early moment in the video but is this i don't do that i've got more subscribers than fringy i don't do that and i have more subscribers than fringy i don't do that i don't wondering is like is this is this the way that it operates do the thing that will maximally advance like your position in terms of popularity and money i suppose uh let's put it this way the simplest way possible because i think chat will understand then if it was proven like statistically that it works that every 10 minutes you say please subscribe to my channel you can get this then it takes like a good 30 seconds if that was provably like the best way to do it would you still have this attitude of like yes the best way to do it so yeah it's the best way or would you be like fucking hell it's annoying and i wish people would stop doing it um mr who's the boss has an interesting gimmick for it where every time he um i wouldn't do it mauler i'll answer your question thank you yes he has an interesting gimmick where he basically finds a new synonym for amazing that's kind of related to the video so if he's i don't know covering um uh i can't think of an example uh but he's covering so he finds uh so subscribe sub to the channel would be splendid or a sub to the channel would be uh stupendous and it would be a synonym on the word great but it's like relevant to the video and the gimmick there is kind of what word is he going to use this video so it's a way of not taking the audience out as much um but um yeah but what full fat is doing here is just slamming the video to a screeching halt to promote everything that has his name on it and it's just not working all right then so yeah uh that was fun the moral of the story is like what why why would you cut like a 30 second portion of your video this is gonna hurt though like rewatch value and it's probably gonna age the video very poorly and awful just some extra clicks others tell people to subscribe doesn't age poorly does it like people have been doing that since well but like oh hey go to all of these other social media accounts to follow me there true um obviously if they said something like go to what's what are some examples of like the dead twitters if you did like my space you know like hey follow me on or parlor or like mines or whatever you know like it's vine follow my vine follow my vine yeah there are there are new ones now right again i know that my space is making a comeback uh i forget the names of them getter is one of them right that's one of the new ones i yes maybe yeah there's another one as well i forgot what the name is but yeah saying track of all these weird twitters well i was gonna say it's just funny like follow me on twitter is technically so far not gonna age video probably unless you get banned from twitter ah yeah true and then you're like wow he's never gonna count what do you say if you have a video yeah if you make a video and you say hey follow me on twitter and then you get banned from twitter for stupid reasons and people are going oh i can't find your twitter and is yeah that might age well i guess it's just stuff like you know click the notification bell it's not that notification bell might well disappear in the future and then from then on when people watch those videos it's like oh right this is like from 2015 yeah i wouldn't worry too much about that though people like 10 year old click above the video subscribe yeah exactly and it's just a little awkward i'm not sure if it's worth it to like say it's awkward i almost kind of it's like a what's that jay you're all floopy people know how time works like yeah i feel like they do like people say like uh click the annotation is it like oh annotations aren't on youtube anymore yeah it's like how people say hang up the phone you can still well if the button it you know it's hang up on the actual mobile right like it says hang up on it when you press it and the the new kids will just interpret that's what that is referring to so it would age just fine in a sense um i just wanted to show you that what people call efat perpetually negative and contrarians recognize they spent the last 10 minutes whining about a like and subscribe portion sorry i think we had an interesting conversation and i'd have it again it's just funny to me it's like discussing the idea of doing it is considered whining i was like i'm sorry that you're so upset so sorry i'm sorry that okay like i'm sorry that you consider this to be whining yeah i feel bad for you i guess i don't know i think we've been closer to neutral on the subject honestly well yeah i mean we've weighed off the pros and cons that we're fine with it it's all about the execution yeah so yeah i think uh and i found a baby do you think that what makes a low key a low key i'm the monster parents tell their children about at night is the fact that we're destined to lose we may walk off sometimes painfully i'm gonna pause just in case i worry about poppy tisms yeah here maybe don't die you literally do and but it's fine you know yeah i've seen people bring up by the way in relation to the uh the pruning if it has a percentage chance of sending them to the end of time rather than killing them i guess you should use the other end of the stick does it actually kill yeah you just grabbing them works really maybe it's just about like messy cleanup and yeah yeah stuff like that i could see it happening for like ease of access you know one of the things i was thinking about we'll bring this up when we break down a low key i guess but you remember when low key gets blooped in front of uh girl low key silvi yeah i felt nothing if she had if she'd simply hit him and then walked forward one step she'd get both of them remember how long it takes for to realize what's even happening she watches him vaporize fully and then she's like wow you bitch yeah she just walked forward boom double kill well it's like a mace window thing there's a lot of times where people could just kill people but they just don't low keys don't die they get melted well remember the remember they said richardy grant low key escaped because he did the correct illusion he managed to age from current low key all the way up to richardy grant low key until they they captured him or we're supposed to believe they got him straight away because he said he flowed through space for like ages or whatever right i think it's when he decided to leave the planet he settled on that's when they got here but wasn't yeah that's when he decided yeah that's when he got melted decided to leave yeah it wasn't yeah it wasn't when he decided to not use knives which i would think would cause huge tangents in the timeline because that's like a pretty fundamental thing is it not because his whole thing is my magic is so powerful because i didn't rely on daggers and blades yeah loki kills a shit ton of people would know so if he's not using knives at all then uh i feel like that's gonna create some branching timelines the music i can't yeah tumblr dream now there's a ton of inspirations present in loki most notably douglas adams and i think a little bit of neil gayman too the show's riffing on a ton of shows and voices that already have wrote his or have been closely involved with it so i'm not saying the entire pitch was just make it dr who write a michael wall i'm gonna become i'm just gonna be completely honest with you i didn't even think about the fact that it was like dr who and i've seen a lot of dr who um mainly because it's just so fucking underbaked like when they go anyway yeah i never thought when i weigh rick and morty is something that i would weigh quicker associate with dr who i'm like oh i can see how that works yeah but um yeah loki is like such a mishmash of what we're actually up to every episode you don't really know what's gonna happen there's not like a loki like if every episode was loki and mobius go to a particular time and they solve a problem i could i could see it but that's not really what happens like not even close there's like one time they do that and then the storyline changes again it's like mandalorian the the whole concept that is super interesting and fun is just not at all the one that we got and if we were to say well there's time travel and space travel i'd be like that's not something dr who owns i could see why you might connect it but like it's got to be more than that surely yeah you know loki isn't about like oh we're going on fun adventures in different timelines and different planets it's it's pretty like tame as far as like the actual destinations i can turn for the most part in a way the saddest part about it loki has plenty of things to be able to do and it's really lame with what it does aldrin came from rick and morty so again it's easy to see why this show could turn out a little who flavored without it ever being the true blueprint at the same time i think the fact that this show is making full use of one of the most popular doc 2 fancasts by making said actors skew closer to the doctor's archetypal personality it's a bit of a big coincidence that's archetypal personality of was about to say that's already a problem the fact that he's just established they essentially took loki and molded him into a more like doctor character loki and the doctor are not even fucking close yeah that's that seems bizarre to me based on what i understood in a sense i agree with him that they did that like loki is so much more eccentric and caring and it's just like this is a lot closer now because they just decided to change him yeah which is a problem you can't just yeah like the whole reason i'm invested in this character is not because he's a different character doesn't even make any fucking sense yeah i watched him get melted and i felt nothing well i'll tell you what yeah even if i did really really care i wouldn't have felt anything so it's like this is his show he's gonna have been teleported yeah he's gonna come back there's an aspect to marvel were exceptionally smart to steal loki in this direction no houston has been a fan cost for years and i think if this had come out in 2013 tumblr i mean we're talking if we're talking about disney smart financially disney smart like in terms of writing a show people will like sure in terms of quality and consistency with our own universe it's a horrific disaster actually um from a company perspective yeah brilliant people will lap up anything and they know it i've written something like that recently and something i'm working on that um it's like well they've made great choices financially in my own head i'm like hmm i guess like you know if it was like really fucking good would they be making more and at that point how do you judge whether or not it's a good financial decision is it just whether or not they made profit or whether or not they made a significant profit or of what you thought was possible and how high they sort of scored is of course rise the skywalker or someone that was a great financial decision could be like it could have been way better than that yeah we can't we can't look at alternate versions of reality where they made a different film and see how well it did exactly um but at the same time if ever they make a profit do we just describe that as a great financial choice or was it only a decent financial choice we definitely don't describe it like that because companies will absolutely consider opportunity cost could we have made more money doing something else that's just a part of make being a business especially like disney we're all pretty sure that if the sequel trilogy had been well written it would have made more money well i think the big thing is yeah like rise of skywalker making a billion dollars that probably wasn't considered a success by disney because it would have made a lot more money so yeah i made two billion rise of skywalker we have that that's like huge drop off it's an unprecedented drop off for star wars let's see uh trustees exactly it's not a matter of simply making a lot of money it's also could i made more money or you know like it's the reason why like blumhouse movies it's like none of them make a whole lot of money but they make a hell of a lot of profit for how little they cost so they're incredibly successful films despite the fact that none of them made as much money as like you know the rise of skywalker but they didn't cost much either and they were quick to make so that's preferable so it's complicated someone just referenced um solo bombing and stuff and it's like yeah if solo would made an extra 200 000 if someone said that was successful financial it should be like that really doesn't capture it does it no it absolutely wouldn't yeah would have literally made massive chunks of icon evens would have been strewn all across the internet it's also why i think in a metatextual way it's neat that this takes place directly after the avengers in 2012 could you imagine the one two punch the i'm so duns that would have come out of tumblr had hiddleston got on that gig the following year that would have been a what is the relevant so he's saying one of the things that's kind of cool but this is the this tumblr language tom has been hired as a character that's kind of like doctor who which is something tumblr really wanted for doctor who for him to be hired to play the doctor and that's why this oh this has got an appeal i don't know why he's bringing this up but like is it valid as a point it's like yeah people just like tom hiddleston anyway they don't i don't think it mattered whether or not he was playing a doctor like character people love Loki there's a reason why he kept popping back up he didn't stop coming back because people fucking love him mm-hmm oh that's a good example if you if you did a shill for hey follow me on tumblr that would have aged a video like shit people like whoa what the fuck was this made yeah exactly and is it worth it be able to i mean i you know i if he would have said speaking to tumblr you know follow me or if he had a little pop up that said follow me in tumblr i don't have blame over that it's not a you know oh you don't blame him it's just also that's way less interesting but you know like those little animations that come up sometimes people's videos like hit the subscribe button just a little finger clicking it and little click sounds like those are mostly fine with me it's just when you harsh cut totally on a different environment and then they awkwardly like sell their twitter you just like okay hocking their yeah Houston got on that gig the following year that would have been a splinter even the tva you wouldn't be able to handle and the thing is okay it doesn't suck as the actual doctor because he would be the kind of doctor we've already had that's like oh they would have gone back in time before it happened i don't think you should ever say that that we wouldn't want to hire this actor because we've had a person like that before it's like that's not how that works um tom hiddleston look into characters get before you can't hire anyone even somewhat approaching something like them i just you know any great actor can play many different doctors right yeah tom hiddleston being the doctor i feel like there's plenty of potential that he could be great i don't know what he would exactly bring is yeah acting's acting like you're not acting yeah it was all over the idea of him and benedict cumberbatch cumberbatch is basically already earth doctor who or more accurately the doctor is space sherlock by fashioning like what oh my brain what um um no they're incredibly different yeah sherlock and doctor who on you i'm trying to figure out how he thinks that makes sense why i don't even know where to begin like sherlock homes and doctor who are practically the same characters just one is set in earth and one is set in space i feel like you just established that doctor who has many variations and they are not the same is it is it like sherlock's associate doctor who what like one of the doctors defining traits is empathy and one of sherlock's defining traits is a lack of empathy yeah as he sees this guy is he so surface level that he sees a character who's has an aspect of what he identifies as quirk and that makes them instantly like anyone else similar like is there that that kind of strange um trying to think of a word for it like a like a kind of eccentric nature to them maybe that like all eccentric people are similar to all eccentric people i mean it could be um i just i don't yeah i don't know i would love to have picked his brain on this how the hell did he connect doctor who and sherlock and the only difference is one is on earth one is in space it's like how did you how similar because i'm imagining sherlock in the loki show and just how differently he would behave and act about everything kind of a nitpick but like a lot of doctor who is telling us like he just doctor is very familiar with it like being like you see sherlock is more of an earthly doctor who i'd be like okay doctor who seems very earthly to me based on what i've seen loki's freshman series on doctor who you get to have your cake and eat it too you get to explore a new side of loki rather than a tired side of the doctor you get to have your 2013 tumblr dream of hiddleston who without it being tied down to the hooniverse why is this is not a point yeah i don't know what to say other than they hired tom why don't you just say tom hiddleston's a good actor it's nice to see more of him be like okay all right the character of loki was one that a lot of people gravitated towards in the earliest days of the mcu his one-two punch of pity and villainy across thaw and the avengers cemented his presence as a fan favorite hey if it's all the same to you i mean this is again this is why he was probably brought back as the villain for avengers not just thaw because people it was the only fucking good villain of phase one right because obadiah for shit no offense um and then red skull i think hugo weaving didn't want to come back and abomination sucked as well kind of yeah loki was like had an actual backstory a significant motivation was threatening he had like his own powers like yeah course yeah his powers open a lot of avenues for him to do things and well funny say that rags do you remember and um if well for anybody who does or doesn't uh in thaw he's pretending to fall off the bridge and thaw goes to pick him up but he's actually an illusion and then he tries to push him off or like attack him in avengers he's like walking out of the cage and he pretends to prepare for a tackle and then he's like you ever not going to fall for that when then you see him in loki and he fucking doesn't use these powers at all he just keeps getting beaten up because he sucks yeah loki and loki in his own show is a fucking buffoon he you get so lit that that's one of the big you know things that i hate about loki is that his powers are super cool illusionism and trickery is insanely cool from a power perspective you can fucking pretend to be anyone you know all signs of thing yeah but he never he never uses it he like fights he fist fights people and he tries to stab them with knives i'm like loki what are you doing what are you doing loki you got all these cool ass powers you could use and you could be super quippy when you use him the one time he he uses the illusiony thing when he's getting into the train he's like i'll pretend to be one of the gods and then he keeps his helmet up unlike all of them it's like we've got to see tom hillison's face and he's super like goofy with it he never comes across as confident and like mischievous um or cunning cunning's the word i wanted yeah he's definitely not a cunning character he is used to be he this is definitely a different shittier depowered version of loki based on what we've seen i mean i think people if you haven't watched the like avengers in a while or some of the thor movies like loki is fucking powerful and he's very different from the loki you know in the show um absolutely he is a clever boy and i'm not going to say that the story was perfect or anything but in the in the first thor he like tricks the ice giants into having access to odin to kill them to look like he rescued odin destroyed an enemy and he manages to this is always a result of taking advantage of thor's banishment and then taking over as god himself like it while proposing as a great leader and a good person it's like loki's really interesting um you get none of that in loki it is loki is shitty loki has dampen god's foot loki has all the powers just not the budget to use them he can make fireworks you know fireworks i wouldn't say they don't have the budget that's what's weird that's the sad thing yeah i guess maybe his allocation of budget his power is literally illusion you don't you don't need a budget like you can just film a thing and say oh it's not actually there like just film something being there but then canonically it's not actually there that's how you do illusion i don't know that sounds kind of complicated i feel like it's written by someone who's not familiar with the character at all it's just this is loki he just fights with knives hmm how's that drink now and it was clear that his leading role in a title of his own was inevitable in terms of loki's story and i really mean just loki's story it didn't feel well when he died yeah definitely when i saw him die i was like oh yeah well that's that's the end of loki and he died how a big fear was that they would uh undo all of the deaths of infinity war they pretty much have now the only one left is uh i'm dull right yeah but he's he's probably not coming back well there you go he's he's doing suicide squad now all right i'm truly better off there i mean it would be nice to have one person stay fucking dead that would be nice yeah because everybody else has come back nebula gamora's back vision's back loki's back code is an effective coder to the temp attention and gamora's back in the worst way in a sense where we brought gormora back but she's a totally different character we we've undone all the work we did with gamora but she's back they're just gonna do what that well that's an opportunity james gun yeah we can we can have different things happen and it creates different relationships and different results like you can do something like that but what they'll i hope they don't just fast track you're like they did loki or it'll just be the same thing again but different but the same thing again jump two years i want them to be very i want her to be totally different than gamora one in a sense no i'm like totally different but distinctly different yeah because if you look at the events of guardians one there's a reason they all come together at the same time now the pie the almost the social dynamics different they're all familiar with her and like her but she has no idea who any of them are so it should probably generate a bit of a like a standoff ishness for a lot longer than it did the first time around because they're all new to this they're all trying to save the world now they're like hey we're your friends and it's just like yeah okay i'm absolutely predicting a joke for guardians theory where either drax or rocket is going to do this so what should we call you do we call you gamora one or gamora two or something like that i i think that it's going to be something that they do two mora two mora why mora why don't remind me of better times role in a title of his own was in how we carry on muller in terms of local story and i really mean just loki's story thought the dark world is an effective coder to the temper tantrum that was trying to take over the world in avengers thought has a fantastic scene with his mother in endgame but it was loki who shared the most effective screen time with rene russo some years prior i agree with this and thought you have some good scenes in it they're really neat yeah yeah specifically the loki and his mum scenes the loki and thor scenes which you need to put him on his arc you can't make him watch them that's not yeah you have to experience things because loki would you can't say that loki is absolutely saying distinctly that other versions of him are not him and then he sees other versions of him and then immediately identifies connects with those and that launches his entire change of character you have to choose one or the other you can't have both of these things he's not my father then am i not your mother you're not see good stuff but obviously yeah in context of another big conversation and it makes you very curious about where they're gonna take loki next and of course fix his death in uh in this uh to trick thor and he gets back on the on the throne he ends up regretting it in ragnarok because of the trouble it causes and then he's not sure about what he's gonna do with his life it also managed to squeeze a couple of genuinely good scenes out of ho hum mcu experience you had her tricks but i had her trust trust i'm gonna pause because we're gonna be real careful with video clips trust we let her die what help were you and yourself who put me there i think he put that clip in there by the way to help himself with copyright which is probably a good plan yeah youtube is a bitch i like to do that yeah but i suppose they have to be a bitch because all the companies are after him oh put me there who put me there you know damn well you know damn well but i do remember thinking at the time where did we go from here i'll tell father what you died we'll serve in infinity where it's why i like ragnarok's choice they make him rule as god he's a terrible ruler things started getting chaotic and then his decision to do what he did with odin leads to odin basically reaching the end of his rope and he exits as much as like you'll have questions about exactly how that works like lifespan of a asgardian king or whatever loki regrets it and thought fucking has huge issues with him for it and then ragnarok has their little arc as well you skipped all that and he's even more good than he was at the end of ragnarok and you do that i didn't do it for him i love this because it was like a serious scene when it happened but then you find out it was all fake at the end of Thor 2 and then this Thor makes fun of it like yeah i feel like it's a really good through line Liam hensworth has thought i must admit i wasn't really that excited to see loki take over asgard nor was i particularly fussed to see him redeemed after he's already lied about it several times so Thor ragnarok was wise to sidestep it and even though local they they give you what happens it doesn't work out he's not a good leader for asgard yeah this is help what helps him believe in Thor as the leader come on he's less prominent in this i don't mean to impose in the previous movies by the way i really like ragnarok very funny ragnarok is great i love ragnarok he's used very well and movies loki i thought the world to you oh it's just reminding me of how much i really enjoy the Thor and loki journey and they've fucked it with it now oh i love that scene so much what i rather than Thor having any major conflict with loki let's do get help he chooses to accept him for who he is whether he wants to be the scheming loki or not i thought we were gonna fight side by side forever but at the end of the day you're you remind me i'm pausing for copyright yeah i really want to watch ragnarok now yeah i mean it's uh it's one of the most i've laughed in the cinema when i saw that film i was losing my mind it's seven jay is saying i agree with you jay whatever you just said let's all watch ragnarok after this in 10 hours is it yeah let's go we'll be a lady we'll survive at that point no maybe they're still good at new but let's be honest that path is diverged along you know you know when vision said things aren't precious because they don't because it because they last forever that's the mcu yeah i know it's the john sweden line so yeah that's not only he's added insanely good line but that is the mcu now yeah it's really become quite the quite the encapsulation of this cinematic universe it will last for fucking ever the amount of new people have been introduced in phase four already like oh boy i got so many stories to tell you they're all great oh the only person i care about is walker and alligator you have walker in the allocator new show come on give them a show yeah and i feel like walker was that's amazing that they have a character we like in terms of their writing by accident or a character that craved violence shows real development here by accepting that he cannot change who Loki is as a person and shouldn't try to i had a friend once we ran together when i was little i'm not sure what's happening here i don't know where the copyright is in the visuals or the audio i'm like that got in some doubt probably audio when we grew up we went oh that Loki doesn't get a big redemptive moment like harry osbourne or Darth Vader but i think that was a great redemption arcs of cinema wow the likes of the climax of the story for Darth Vader this is harry osbourne in spider-man three oh who did it better bring a redemption arc of harry osbourne wow what a what a pair harry and vader like our faces yeah you guys go 12 for a sec because i gotta write that down well you guys talk because i gotta pee you know the deformity that defines their characterization of you see vader's face was burned and harry's face was burned and you see this is a crucial part of their redemptive story for you see their deformity reveals the inner ugliness that it's inside us all and physically they are forced to confront it through a reflection of self and only through the extension of friendship or family do they find their redemption oh what was that from uh i just made that up you made it up peeing yeah piss hey chat what's up all right i wrote it we got that was gonna be great covered april it's funny this year i've not written as much as i probably need to to fill out the script so we're gonna have to start getting a lot of video essays watched to make sure we have plenty of fuel oh we still got here for time i usually i think i stopped around halfway through march so yeah we've still got a decent chunk yeah it just feels weird to have had so little notes yeah uh you know um uh you know there's there might be some surprises in the next few weeks it would have been funnier if you'd described harry's harold harold osborne's great redemptive arc harold the one of the born it's funny the other rename spider-man 3 is a movie where like once enough people who hate it go away they try and sort of be like spider-man 3 is actually really good just saying and you're like it's not though and like you know it's kind of shit venom wasn't perfectly cast sure and the three villains weren't given you know enough time to really flesh them out but spider-man 3 has heart um yes um but except for the part where sam ramy really didn't want to do the story he was given but you know well how do you define heart heart is but in the soul you know it is the belief that that you can do better uh dark goblin versus green vader i like dot goblin is cool yeah remember when he threw a bomb at peter and peter was like swatwang and threw it right back in his face that's what i was talking about the deformity is what defines their inner conflict the four lines yeah as dr who taught us that is what i call an inner conflict doctor yes also oh yeah i'm a little worried right now obs is like frozen but i think everything's still working so i don't know what to make of that i'll have a check on the seam on the seam i'm gonna look at the seam that's one seam that's all it's all planned okay it's still working well if i suddenly freeze you'll know that i warned you in some way uh i'm back do anyway anyway move over borne mere harry osborn's estate i thought as he finally becomes king is all you need if you're here i'm not even what do you mean it's all we need he gave us loads more and it's terrible in the show shakes bring the park to an understated and genuine resolution wait what i'm here by the time we came to the infinity was tom and lowkey technically he could create an illusion of his illusion catching the ball and then make the illusion of the ball not hitting the back of the wall but you know that's okay he had shown as far as they really could with the actor as much as i had once thought he would get a spin off it felt right to see his dodgy dealings with the mad titan finally catch up to him that needed to be addressed and it immediately established so is he trained us he's he's almost like he's trying to say like we all wanted more lowkey but he did have to die and so they've done the best they can with those things needing to happen fuck people let it be well yeah this is weird there's a meaning you've identified what the meaningful thing is which is he has to go like that's that's the correct decision now like from a narrative perspective love these characters eternally but like no they die motherfucker yeah people die describes himself as Odinson before his death it was perfect yeah you ruined it it was great and it was like the death that you needed to say oh this is real like we're not playing this time i thought it was fantastic that they have him beat up hulk and kill the avengers villain so cool exactly yeah he's really he is the big boss the big bad finale but now they're all back so it was pointless it didn't matter Thanos as the mac daddy of the mcu's rogues the mac daddy resurrects this time well that was a lie oh god damn it man no resurrections this time oh even you get resurrected Thanos yeah fuck sake i wasn't too sure about the notion that we would be following lowkey after we watched him die hey but he's dead again so now he's gone no more than us is what that means we're definitely not gonna have Thanos back at any point i'm sure as long as josh rolling isn't paid enough you liar it's like yeah and i was perplexed by the idea that would be another sequel to the avengers it seemed like a bit of a cheat to undo the trickster's ultimate fate a little bit so kind of it i completely agree with you but now he's gonna be like here's how it is boss i'm like no no no no no no no that's not count it was that's the whole point of the show rather than a bog standard resurrection oh so it's shit then what marvel have opted to use the lowkey character to explore the concept of time in a way that dr strange and endgame previously did not lowkey just so happens to be the perfect character to do it because he don't actually poses everything regarding the notion of fate how do you when you are attacking somebody with a glow stick how do you not kill them when they have no weapons you know i mean because you're shit because you're you're like how in killer could have done it you just i thought again the show forgets that lowkey is a god these guys shouldn't be able to even hurt him it guards it readily this show was just yeah that's the thing we were talking about earlier lowkey is phenomenally depowered in this show he is remember he was the of the avengers villain he could potentially take on any avenger he was a he reckoned with is that captain america kind of wasn't a match with him like he was getting beaten by lowkey that's how strong lowkey is he could look he's incredibly strong well yeah he fought for like he and thought was kind and and also fucked up by hulkin was still around and alive and alive if a normal person got beaten up like that they would be jelly yeah he is a god he's very strong he picked up tony stark by one hand and threw him out the window at significant speed yeah he has to fist fight a bunch of normies and he never uses his powers in a cool way and when he does use his powers it's stupid yeah like he could he could why don't we have it where like they i don't know they you could literally do the art the the total recall joke like you think this is the real lowkey it is it is useful oh this is the thing not only we've been given shit it's like oh think of a fucking cool everything could have been had this been written by somebody with a brain you know just have lowkey do cool stuff and trick people haven't been mischievous in all these battles like they can't beat him because he outsmarts them all my um my like that's one of these are like bards so much and like pathfinder and dnd in my fantasy rags whatever is like the bard kind of character is because it opens up so many avenues to be creative and interesting with your powers i'm not just you know you're not just going to be slinging fireballs at someone or hitting them with a sword or shooting them with an arrow there's a lot of creativity is like tax it's like task master what an insanely interesting power that they absolutely squander they do a lot of squandering speaking of squandering this on an unrelated note someone sent me this that thought they might you might get a kick out of it the last pursuit part two breaks if you go too fast are you two discover that they could kill tommy by quickly sliding under a door as abby really oh that's funny well the last of us which is like it doesn't it doesn't want you to play it your way you have to play it their way yeah it's um oh i'm just pulled up the clip yeah you you actually can get through and get through the door wow and then you could just shoot tommy dead or just keep shooting it yeah wait well i've i've seen the clip before you even the ultimate rest treatment they continuously shoot him and it just doesn't kill him right because he's got infinite health or whatever yeah because you know it's still that's really amazing concept of time that dr strange and endgame previously did not lowkey just so happens to be the perfect character to do it because he diametrically opposes everything regarding the notion of fate and being controlled by higher powers other than himself there's a lot of characters like that there's a lot of yeah i feel like you'd have to you'd have to try and find characters who don't stand in opposition to that how don't you describe the team of the avengers in the endgame as not doing this they're literally defying time and space and Thanos to know they were meant to time travel remember that's in the sacred time that's right yeah fine from their own perspective perception then right yeah yeah i just don't get he's like lowkey that's the character that defies a leader that defies rules it's like and then someone said wait isn't he dead he's like well he's gonna defy that rule i was i am on the verge of acquiring everything i am mode and when i do it'll be because i did it not because it was you're describing so many characters with a lot of characters would say this i would say that yeah yeah that's not like something i'd say it's not because we were given the things because we earned it yeah post like i would yeah and if you don't like it if you want to take it to a higher authority there isn't one oh because he's huge that's not the same thing at all yeah this is not comparable it's not this is not the same thing it has mildly the same energy it's what's frustrating is like the doctor there's a lot of fucking reasons the doctor saying that lowkey would not only not say there's no higher authority that be because he knows that's not true but also it is positioned right now i'm fucking lowkey and the doctor would be like do you know what i fucking done yeah pretty much the doctor's history is much more uh shocking than lowkeys let's put it that way or the time variance authority or whatever it is you call yourselves allowed me to and because he's got the doctoring aesthetic to pull off a timey wimey adventure in the mc what a white a white guy i feel like you're really shoving that that peg into that hole you know like get in there you are the doctor in this show that's why people like you like it never crossed my mind to be completely honest you it's because he looks kind of funny i don't know does yeah he's not like like he's he looks he doesn't he looks british i agree fringy he looks british he looks damn very bright he does yeah yeah got that british sogginess to him ew that was your first lesson oh fuck off with the music oh no they'd put in doctor who music in the background expect me don't you dare don't you dare that's a great way to trick people it's a great way to get people to subscribe to i don't see what the similarities are is it just that they're british he's quicky whatever you need well yeah so you you know like the moving the hands and uh all the body contortions as as he moves around like people do there is sort of the enthusiasm yes there it's sort of in that moment but it's yeah it's still something that didn't even like i haven't seen the show oh no i'd still roll back to the whole like it's not low key at all so like the moments you pick out as being like see this is kind of like doctor who i'd be like yeah it's not like low key like it's weird well i feel like well is that even necessary to the argument that this is good doctor here um is it necessary to the argument the point i feel like i feel like i feel like you could make the argument if they wrote low key to just be the doctor in this show and you could make the argument yeah it's fucking weird that they did this to low key but it would be good if they did this with the doctor but if we wrote the doctor to be like the doctor if they had well that'd be great wasn't it uh if you have a low key that is out of low key's character and he's doing all kinds of crazy things all the time and i pluck out pieces and go see this is kind of like Darth Maul you're like okay and i go but also these parts these they're kind of like jack sparrow you're like i don't know why we're doing it feels like half the man he used to be so he's like dirth mall we just yeah he just feels like a fucking nonsense jumble uh because they got goals with uh the plot not with him and sylvie of course oh fuck off just because you put the music there doesn't mean this is very frustrating but there's basically nothing that would imply that he like if you showed if you took out all of the uh necessary lines of dialogue um and you showed someone this show and they hadn't seen low key anywhere else what do you think they'd think he's a god of mischief deenus what i was gonna say is well about the whole like has the same energy i'm gonna i'm gonna push back on that too because the doctor usually does these speeches while in control of the room uh low key is like hardcore simping to oan wilson in this scene he's like please look at me please take me seriously just like but that's totally the same energy really the doctor is usually everyone's just like baffled and confused and then right at the end the doctor makes it all come together and then you go oh and then he just like wins while i feel like the doctor wouldn't be having didn't have control of the room he would be like concerned yeah and low key's trying to keep up with omel he does this with sylvie too it's really fucking frustrating that low key's second fiddle throw every scene in every episode he's just trying to impress people that's what he tries to do that's why he he inflicts pain and fights is because he just wants to yes well like in avengers 2012 he finds it cute when people try to stand up to him he's like oh look at you little human doing your little thing like uh he does it with natasha and with iron man when iron man is like we're gonna beat you he's just like grinning the whole time he's like yes of course you are you're very confident aren't you but in this he's always like look at me listen me i have ideas because all i really want to do is accept your total surrender and then i'll let you go peace many of your tricks and come to explore you the fact that you know tony stark is more doctor like substantially like he's the kind of guy who does give these be yeah yeah i can see that way easier more easily way easier easier easier it's just i yeah i did his redundancy for uh you know just just to really stress it we're talking we're talking old he drew superlatives over here we're really it said that was easy easy easy as i was saying my naughty friend here is going to kill the first three of you to attack plus you're actually really right the scene with loki and uh tony this is much more like tony's like the doctor in that one he's explaining all the ways that loki's gonna lose and loki's like almost confused baffled and just like this is amusing and it's like no he's right though and then the suit comes out and it's like aha and then he's like and there's one more person you pissed off just shut up please see that summarizes the difference right there the other characters are like fucking go away loki you're annoying it's not the same leaning into the doctor who isms has allowed tom hiddleston to display more range as loki than he has since his first appearance what no no he is extremely one note in this and pathetic is he does cry um the thing is he he's done that a lot in his iterations i don't i'm almost saying this is not as an attack on loki but as a defense of avengers thaw two and thaw ragnarok like i don't know i don't know why you've just said that thaw one is like where he's got the most range and then this is next up i'd be like um i can my favorite loki appearances avengers so you be willing quim yeah see quite quim it's great the same but giving him genuine friends outside of thaw genuine friends huh is owen wilson a genuine friend like you maybe make that argument at the end of episode four but even then i think that's a stretch more genuine friends like a distant admirer from a very clinical point of view at best true actual friend those loki's thing was he just didn't trust anybody enough to have friends but he's desperately in the show has worked wonders for his capacity to be a funny caring and heroic entity as much as the funny caring and heroic loki everyone and other words that don't fit loki show makes this change feel organic and it works organic it doesn't work it's not organic it does not work yeah it's super artificial and it is absolutely poaching from much better things what's like all the all of these mcu shows are basically that they're leeches that have attached themselves to something that was once great they're just trying to suck all the blood out that they can they really feel the fucking need to just deconstruct the character in a way that pisses everyone off this is like they this anymore we clever though we deconstructed a character well maybe that's given them too much credit they didn't deconstruct loki they're just fucking all yeah they yeah maybe that was the idea and their head edit loki he's gone from mass murder in league with thanos to a timey-wimey detective of good manners how do you say this how do you say that without being like you know what maybe this is stupid he's describing is this episode two yeah which is literally what like a day from when he just he's described as a mass murderer yeah the time was all right clear honestly how do you say this as if it makes total sense the arc was fucking rushed like crazy wouldn't say this about hitler it works this was a concerted effort to edit loki he's gone from a mass murder in league with thanos to a timey-wimey detective of good manners and adorable charm i won't touch barton not until i make him kill you do you understand that if i was to construct a video explaining the the difference in how they broke him it would be very similar to what he's just done oh i wouldn't be praising it after this i would present these clips and be like they fucked loki slowly in every way he knows you fear and then you nice to see you i just need this for a second yeah so chat chat there you go he's done the job for us that well all right and good job well i feel like something that you can do in about 20 minutes nice excuse me can i can i borrow this please thank you yeah the god of simps sad wow exactly like the only the only way to justify this is that it's part of a trick like these uh yeah absolutely you just kind of trick right and that in that other scene where he's he's about to pull the rug out everyone in that room and reveal that he is the one in the power there's loki that is not the case he's always scheming some schemie schemes i can't wait to see you know what what he's doing now what was the scheme in that scene then um that's the thing it wasn't but that's what you'd expect i mean i guess you could you could argue that there is a character who is like who is who is as you know as you could argue that as a consistent character there could be a consistent character i suppose who can be the way that we saw that avengers loki when they are like when they have control of a situation and loki loki when they are not in control of a situation you know like a guy who's really confident when he's actually got what he wants but as soon as he doesn't he's he goes to simp god but i feel like you need actual manipulator yeah yeah oh yeah there'll be so the idea being that that scene you just saw could exist in a perfectly inline loki storyline and i agree but it's not unfortunately that's just a piece of who he is now um wasn't like there could just be that could be who he is when he has no power and the other way around you know i don't know i've not watched this show so what i'm suggesting is like the show has delivered it to us that that is after his arc his arc that happened in episode one he's now a very different person and you got to deal with it literally to the point where they're in the apocalypse world that he was like no all these people are being left behind no that light hits to listen to you for a look um also uh i kind of a who said it that someone DMed me with a um i don't know if it could have been me it could have been someone else but just the the hilarity that he had to conjure a thin blanket because he was cold when he's a frost giant i don't know how that yeah i thought about that when i was watching it and then it also brings into question like you if you can just conjure materials like you don't want to change outfits or a weapon or you had a time machine a second ago that you never really used to help yourself that's kind of weird like you could totally make the meme right you're like low key and thaw one the frost giant does guardian who's going to take over the world all muscly and stuff and then low key in low key and he's like i need my black key i'm cold and make it immediately low key's undergone a little bit of a retcon to refresh his personality a little bit wow that sounds like personality that sounds one to one it's not a retcon guys it's a personality refresh she described it as a little bit of a retcon it's like why doesn't this qualify as that thing he said earlier where it's like doki doesn't have any of the problems of retconning the doctor's history this is like aren't you retcon this isn't this way worse when you can change the character completely this man i mean the internet as well in doctor here but he didn't complain about it oh that's because he's much like this guy might not have standards i mean i don't see how he seems to be prison the shit out of low key as a show it always baffles me i guess i shouldn't be surprised like what happens to thaw if you go back and watch the thaw movies he's deadly serious a lot of the time it's particularly bad in dark world where hemsworth starts to shadow the sets and special effects as he meanders through expositional boring lines ragnarok brought out hemsworth's community all right gotta have to push back on this one i always feel like pushing back on this one ever someone says it because i think it's something i used to almost say like if we're gonna pretend that thaw was always a stalwart boring exposition deliverer the whole time and it was only ragnarok that turned him into a joke story be like that's just not a thing that people say no i mean it's it's close to what some people claim he just he just said that thaw got a rat conning as well but that's what i'm saying it's like thaw was a fun guy throughout the mcu yeah remember when he the he was adopted line that that was one of the funniest things thaw said and it was in avengers and then um there was the one where he told hulk about how he killed all these people you know the gates of valhalla will be filled with the screams of like yeah then of course there's the i don't remember that one comparing the girlfriend jane yeah but jane's better jane's better yeah and then there's as long as there's still life in my breast i'm running out of things to say are you ready for sure yeah i mean if you collect up all of his jokes throughout the mcu you might actually spot a through line you didn't realize it's there he just i know i saw it again when i we wait uh when we rewatched um uh age of ultron age of ultron yeah it's a lot of life i really brought a lot of these characters he makes a lot more of them in ragnarok true ragnarok is definitely a comedy so this is the thing yeah when a portion of a character is accentuated is there um an environment that can explain the attitude or an event that can explain the attitude and i think that you can make the argument that he's under a shit ton of stress and he's trying is it even this scene is literally him trying to convince bruce to help him save his planet he's trying to remain super high top and honestly i really don't think this would have worked with me if not for that scene in infinity war um where you get the impression that this is stuff that he's been sort of keeping on the down low in order to be the leader he has to be according to odin sort of thing and when he gets his moment ain't nothing happening there's plenty of time to kill and he has to just sit there and think about all the people who've died you get the the emotional payoff that i think people wanted from ragnarok khaki god of simps yeah let's just say um this isn't okay let's be clear the god of simps would be a woman oh yeah true oh that's true yeah actually uh but the point i'm making though is that he's almost comparing what they've done with loki in the show to what they did with thorn ragnarok and i just don't think that's even close to comparable yeah what you have is um one aspect being accentuated in ragnarok whereas in loki you have a 180 maybe people have just a scene that's that they just latch on to at the expense of everything else for whatever reason there's just a a vibe that they get from a single scene in it just sort of overpowers everything else who knows like this acts might just work it's all the better for it by the time we got to infinity war an end game we got the chance to explore the tortured and melancholic sides to the new jokie thaw and he's now one of the most no don't oh why why would you use this clip how is this the melancholic thaw where he's like falling asleep because he's having like a fat hibernation thing like hibernation hibernation big old bear wasn't that that was one of the jokes did that work for you guys when i is it don cheetahs like is he dead when they look at him i think yeah i think he's dead yeah i think that was i can't remember i hate to turn cheetah in that film i hated fat thaw in that film no this thing if they wanted to the only reason that fat thaw was a problem is that they played it off like a joke when it's like oh man yeah his emotional state is fucked yeah isn't that hilarious he's undergoing a lot of emotional trauma right now like god this poor guy wow but he's fat and that's funny he's really getting in the suit which they were the dropping that immediately for tiger with easy's next absolutely yep we've seen the dropping the dropping that it's funny that he's fat or they're dropping the fat suit the fat suits going i think both yeah probably both yeah i wouldn't be surprised if it was a fucking throw away line without like um yeah that's i was about to say i don't i like i like fat suit thaw um conceptually as like oh if they played it serious it could be cool like i wanted to punish thaw i think that's fine it ruins my perception i wanted punished thaw not fat i prefer punished thaw yeah i feel like after everything we've seen of thaw he'd be punished thaw i guess it's like could it still work though it's like oh it certainly could have worked a hell of a lot better than they did in that game can be fat yeah well i feel like if he's if he's punished thaw he'd be really working hard to ensure that he wasn't fat yeah when when i say punished though i'm talking i guess i think we've talked about this before on like one of the other stream but just like when you when they get to talk when they come to his like castle in the area nobody really talks to him and they're all like he lives up there and it's just i don't know if for lack of making a cartoony but it's just darker it's a darker place in the world or something and you when you get up there and it's just everything's like not very well maintained but he's just like in a room on his own and he's just like uh you've come back i guess and he's just really cynical about fucking everything yeah he's become obsessive over having control over himself and you know maybe he's he's struggling for control over things and so he keeps himself extremely tidy as a manifestation of that desire he's working out constantly um yeah and it's not he's at the point where it's not getting the lives back that he's more motivated by is the the prospect of killing Thanos like that's the thing that really gets going he has become the avenger Thor well he already killed Thanos no this would be like if we very write it oh well yeah i was saying not we don't get the head shop thing we which is already killed Thanos then i feel like fat formic sense conceptually as who um i still think that he i still think that you could work in a different way he could be punished or anybody do it again but i think his mistake valid place to take in his mistake i'm not going for the head as a joke you can turn that into like a personification of i should have gone for the head so he's never gonna make a half measure ever again yeah and plus you have him and his role as the king of the as guardians and that that's their sense of responsibility that he's learned yeah you know yeah well i can't bring the ones back who died but you know the people here still need me and i'm gonna be super hardcore about it and he calves out a location for them and the government like you can't steal this land and he's like are you gonna stop me and then you know it's just like okay uh probably not as you talk to the door imagine the very first imagine the very first thing you see a punished Thor is just these two faintly glowing blue eyes in the darkness like he's just eternally turned up his lightning on he's just constantly glowing with energy never ever letting his guard down so yeah there you go there's it for avengers in game uh you gotta break him back down what if he becomes unbirthing kink for hey hey man that's not beer in his belly oh my goodness oh my good god it's a little baby low-key that he gets a little blanky for didn't make total sense he's squatting and absorbing babies like just constantly that's like he's like a little baby tractor beam down there and that's why he's so fat so wasn't the left way off so if you guys are describing a zaks night a movie zaks night is not the parent no we're not the king of people do things that are the dubious or whatever he's just a shitty writer just because everything's dark or slow doesn't mean it's like that i like dark i think that's way more optimistic in a sense that he hasn't lost himself and and the way that he did in fat Thor version that that is really describing a you know like like oh imagine we said after Iron Man 3 that with the PTSD goes back into a severe alcoholism which can totally have been something that happens and this one's like wow you're just making a zaks night of movies like he does not have the patent on people having horrible things happen to them okay i feel like i feel like it's just because it sounds a bit edgy which it does like i don't think it sounds edgy at all because we're here going like oh punish all right what is cool what is yep but what is no it's not cool just because he gets to be in black outfit with lightning strikes and stuff is cool because it's a very reasonable reaction to having your entire civilization destroyed and all the people you love killed instead of being like you know what it's fine i'll be okay i might be like he would be like the universe had its chance fuck where did you learn to go for the head on the fairness barb i guess i'm gonna write the script of crayons i agree as much as i'm like black crayons i get frustrated with the whole like superman's only interesting if he's evil thing it's like that doesn't mean i wouldn't want to see a well-written superman you know losing his marbles for whatever reason story you guys realize zack has ruined a lot of that now like people pictures yeah that's the thing like you say that idea i don't even want that idea anymore i don't i it's gonna be a long time till i even want like a pessimistic take on superman ever again watching him laser those innocent soldiers as they try to protect the flashes put me in a motor room like i need superman save an account a tree for fun sake i went i went old school superman who was a dare i say superman um this yeah this dark grim superman trend could fuck off for a decade for all i care well we'll see what jj does with his next superman who knows i don't think he's gonna take in that direction no i don't think so either it is jj after all he's um he's all about them nostalgia bucks he'll probably bring in a positive superman i'd imagine yeah i think that would be the what's funny is i smart move honestly i say this there are people who watch like mad of steel like what do you mean that was positive super bad like oh how do you get that interpretation from that film zack's not a fad this i guess what would i don't know if that i don't even think zack's night what would zack snider say if he heard that would he agree or disagree well remember the the stuff like you will be a beacon to them you will inspire them you know stuff like that people cite that and they're like see it's very positive but he killed babies no no no no they weren't they were going to be babies well i've seen it we literally see them as babies the funnier argument is well they were going to grow up to be people like zod where they get put into a particular job so fuck them it's like oh okay what do they do if it yeah it's like what do they do if that job doesn't exist and they have do they just like shut down do they have a brain aneurysm and just die you know what we got loads of man of steel coverage chat if you're interested in that go check it out oh boy that was a great move we talked all about how fucking crazy that story anyway point being um thork could have gone in a lot of different directions i would never describe what they did in endgame as any good oof it was fucking annoying very bad double plus i'm good um though i probably shouldn't asterisk sit with i enjoyed the scenes with his mum i'm pretty sure i did i'd have to rewatch it at this point fringy what's the what's the modern take on that you saw it most recently i think the modern take on what story uh the scenes with thorn his mum are they still good or are they um um well the scene in um i didn't watch the dark world no i'm specifically talking about oh do you mean in ref because i'm talking about endgame scenes oh in endgame like the scenes are probably is it like anything that i look at an endgame where i sit there and go oh that was neat it's like but remember what it's built upon like why are we even here yeah um i just i guess i meant in isolation so uh yeah i think it's neat in isolation but in the context of everything else that's going on it's kind of the same thing we end up saying about tony and his dad scenes right definitely the same i like those scenes i really like the tony and his dad scenes but uh how we got there yeah oh my god yeah it was worth comedic side and it was all the better for it by the time we got to infinity war and endgame we got the chance to explore the tortured and melancholic sides to the new jokey Thor and he's now one of the most well-rounded characters in the MCU there's no explanation for Thor's what so um Thor is in a really weird spot right now i think it's the last thing we said about him as his arc like uh it'll be interesting to see what Thor Thor does in terms of trying to repair the arc because it feels like it's um like the end of a thread where it's all torn into loads of different pieces and you're just like oh are they gonna tie that back up or is that oh i don't know where he is right now um i don't know it honestly felt like if you would watch them without knowing i feel like some people might say infinity war and endgame were created made by different people because uh Thor's going in one very specific direction it feels like he's pulled into a completely opposite one for endgame almost like a mandate yeah yeah definitely with hulk i'm pretty sure people have said like there was they filmed stuff with hulk where he's there's even clips in trailers of hulk scenes that just never happened where banner and hulk have some sort of a something happens which is that is bizarre that he just arrives in the state that he's in that the whole part of trailers well no that you don't see that in trailers but you see clips of bruce in the trailers that uh are not in the films that make you think something for example there's a scene i think where he's standing next to the broken iamansu after the fight in mochanda where he's talking to that that's true huh that's true i've forgotten about that um and so the implication there is that he see this is the thing the two things i would have liked to have actually seen is what would they say to each other after what happened in age of ultron i'd rather not just erase it i'd rather see what you can do with that in terms of just what they say to each other but also the most important scene for all of bruce and hulk's arc and all the mcu is where they decide together that they're going to conjoin that is the scene that you'd want to see for those characters and you do not get it um i don't know what's funny but the reveal is funny well the yabs me get a dab funny you like that jay admitted no i just don't hate it okay i have i've linked the hulk deleted scene where he was meant to become smart hulk at the end of infinity dab deleted scene develeted right that way did saying that's the thing man um again if if you got to rewrite all you'd have it be the hulk or banner feels like they could have beaten thanus if hulk had come out and so it's like it's unacceptable what's happened as a result and you get you get someone to write that scene where he's beating himself up where he's arguing with hulk until they sort of they do some weird tisms and and and they end up as the same person instead of skipping over all of it being like lol dab i don't know i'm hulk now the dab these are strange times change but loki's transition works because this variant is allowed to see all the mistakes and torture his canon self went through no no no no no no no no no loki would not accept this i i'm genuinely frustrated that guy that's not me loki would assume it's a trick if i captured rags as someone who can control space and time and showed him a video of him accidentally killing his own parents to him getting his homeland destroyed to a degree and him trying to betray his theoretical brother and then joining up with him i'd be like does this change you i feel like you'd be like no because all of this yeah i don't believe you that's not me and i wouldn't do that and if i was on a path to doing that i would act differently yeah like it's my attempt at making you evil i i i show you it works out that shouldn't even be what why it changes loki's mind that it doesn't work out yeah like you like i would imagine like there's you know in a good version of this show god forbid um like he goes through that process where he sees the greatest hits of his life out of context and instead of like that being his character development that sends him down an even darker path a more existential path where he's trying to avoid that outcome because he does not believe in what he becomes later on you just see him like getting further and further frustrated watching all of these clips and just like this fucking pathetic loki isn't me who is this imposter who is he sus yeah i would think that he's been captured for failing to take new york and this is some kind of weird mind illusion that's being played on him or something which is the only way even says in the episode that he yeah he he's still in the in this episode like right before this he assumes that this is all an illusion and it's all a trick and then a moment later he's like oh i guess it's real loki witnessing his own death and the realization of his futility of his glorious purpose wasn't enough because it didn't take long enough it was a dramatic realization i feel like you're not even listening to what we've said but that's fine um so i'm trying to argue in favor of this apparently was it dramatic because the music or because of the acting because it certainly wasn't the substantive in its drama so what loki is about what he believes in is significantly changed by this scene and it doesn't make sense you'd go from not giving a shit about anybody and only himself to you know what it's important that we rescue people and we and we start a bow you know you know your relationships with people it's and it's important that all these things happen i care so much about everything now because i've seen the error of my ways so that doesn't make sense because he announces glorious purpose at the end because now his plan is to you know take advantage of the tva or whatever which by the way would be the way that you could solve this if you were to try and rewrite it without changing significant portions we think that he might be realizing something but in reality he's simply realizing that the scale of power is much higher than he had realized and now he's his plan is to take over the tva that's his new goal yeah unfortunately post have changed the season shows that he is completely changed as a person whether or not his goal is to take over the tva it doesn't even matter anymore watch him react to people in pain watch him react to like get it the one that like when she went silvi is pretty much telling him to fuck off because she doesn't know if this is even going to work and he's like i stand with you like if you stay i stay it's like the fuck are you may they people like him and just because people like him they want to try to turn him into a hero by the way at that point you can tell that she's cringing even she's disappointed as a fellow low key that he is he's doing the simp to that degree i'm gonna i'm gonna find the face hang on because i remember uh just just not believing this is fucking happening which sucks by the way this is in the episode that i probably found the most enjoyment in just because of the little gata low key yes fucking gator's great more of him can can someone explain to me what you mean by gator low key please there's an alligator and it's a low key a low key variant yeah oh yeah he's an alligator oh i understand fully now no that that's that's it that's literally that's literally the show knows exactly that that is it and it's kind of what i like about it and what capacity is this alligator low key because i can allocate it i can picture that no that's a good question i can see i can see an alligator or another time how is how is the low key how is the alligator low key in any way oh he's got little he's got a little horns he's got a little uh horn circled on uh yeah but he's an alligator look at your face that's pretty funny yeah when he says if you go i go that's her face to me that's her being like oh god okay i just look like boredom to me doesn't feel like a face of dramatic inspiration no she looks like she's kind of like this is a lame dude but okay you do you this is kind of like uh just the richard look you have much of a role i want to see the richardy grunt low key yes really you should watch the episode just for him he's fantastic um yeah he's great he's the only the only two characters that i like her richardy grant uh him alligator alligator um so interestingly by the way i want to take away from hiddleston's performance i don't know that i would have had him cry if i was directing this but i do like the idea of him seeing his death at the hands of thanos and believing it to some degree if we change the scenario significantly and again getting almost furious from it that he would he actually lost way more interesting idea than um you know i'm kind of sad i think i think it's time for change it's time to stop being mean that's what i think this is the thing that might get that might get the gears turning but like that's it is a long road to go from loki 2012 to loki is a great philanthropic yeah lady lover who's gonna be really fun try and design a pathway that takes maybe even several seasons i know insane insane idea to work i know build up actual effort but um doing it in one episode i just wish more writers would be like it's not possible you have to change the story i don't do this in 40 minutes i feel that you can't say that to your mark your disney boss i'll be like well this possible write it you're right to make it happen yeah the disney boss will just say but people love it and he'll be correct people will love it i do wonder i do wonder if they've got one hand on the wheel in the sense that if disney were like we need him to be a lovable good guy protagonist by the end of episode one you be like you know who this is right this is brainwashing can i can i brainwash well that's what i'm saying like what options do we have here in terms of making it so i get your payoff but i can make it make sense can i like sir can't we just bait them in with the idea that it becomes good at the end so you stick around i'm not starting off with that the other thing you can't even sell that he's been tricking everybody at this point because of the amount of times he's almost died when it's been like volunteered that remember he got himself killed because he was trying to declare his love for sylvie jesus christ why is he like i'm just hearing like simp he is literally they destroy what they perceive as the time lizards who control everything they've just like knocked a few people out in a room that all have insta kill sticks they're blown away by this all of this they're in the top level room they've they've portrayed they've figured out that it's all a scam and all this stuff and he's like by the way can i just i need to explain something and he struggles to say it for like fucking 10 minutes and then he gets killed because he wasn't looking behind him and someone hits him from behind oh it's definitely not something that loki would always be on guard for his backstabbing this is the one thing that i really want to see from loki is that even in casual conversation he's using a clone or an apparition because he's constantly like thinking about what is everybody up to in this room he saves his real self for really important shit yes because people know yeah it's it's a one it's it's one of the few ways that he can actually show earnestly that he cares or he's invested in something is for him to be there you know in the flesh when i am i feel like people have seen it now so they believe it i guess but if you had gone the average person had them see avengers 2012 and you say in a day's time do you think loki's gonna get killed because he was too busy telling a girl how much he loves you you'd be like i'm baffled by this concept he's like oh is this some girl that he has like a huge investment in already that we haven't met yet are we going to be introduced to her it's like oh she's um he's known her for a thousand years and he's obsessed with her or something is that going to be the story nope mola is that the story it's like a half a day he knows who maybe less uh-oh that's not really long she slept for a lot of it so i don't think that counts he has to turn to survive figuratively to keep the character interesting once his most famous traits have been explored to death and literally he barely uses them at all he's hey you can keep the same character interesting even if they're completely static basically eternally by putting them in different situations yes yes he only stark uses gadget to yes just because he's not a good leader for as god does not mean he is is ill-suited for power in some other circumstances if you remember at the end of ragnarok he's like getting a rush from commanding people to get on and off the ship because he's like i'm a leader yeah he's working out like like we're exploring different elements of the same motivation that's how you do it you don't just give up oh it's too thoroughly explored well oh for fuck's sake what if alligator loki is like the real mastermind behind the tv a i hope so i'll take it i believe that and i will accept it as canon in fact i already have it's too late so that tv a don't vaporize him pretend your life depends on it i'm gonna get a snack because of this the show settles into its time cop narrative very nicely what does that sign say free will be there was a sign back there was something about free will rewind i love free will pretend your life depends on it i'm gonna get a snack because of this the show so free the fair the well fair the well i thought it was that free the will that's that's marvel saying goodbye mcu fairly well but it doesn't it's more like thou has to cut at the plague narrative very nicely loki fits right at home jumping around different time zones using his wit and powers of deduction to catch the superior loki superior loki so i wish i could agree for the most inside he brings is something that they should have figured out a long fucking time ago the whole um the things don't matter in apocalypse is which by the way doesn't make sense but fine it's like using his wit to do that i'm just like that's very generous of you they're the lesser kind to be clear it's the kind of brains over brawn style that dr who is built on and like he's he's brainless he's describing him as using his brain throughout this series oof all right you say so characters have become an avatar for the time loki traveling anywhere but across space and time is the perfect chaotic edge to the myth of the doctor and the tARDIS you could sit here all day making surface level comparisons to loki and the doctor seriously like you have tell me this doesn't sound like the doctor we are from the future right what is the tv i mean it's from the future it sounds from the future pretty futury oh my god so superficial um that's that sounds like the 11th doctor the 11th doctor would say that because his super fit like each doctor has different superficial like things built on top of the core so the 11th doctor his superficial elements you could say something like that but like imagine any any nerds in chat imagine the seventh doctor saying that and it feels incredibly wrong because while he retains the core the superficial elements are very different well yeah um it's echoing the thing earlier where he was like you see doctor who is the space Sherlock Holmes but it's like not only is that just stupid on its own but the doctor isn't one definitive case of a character a little bit more that's the thing i was saying earlier and different elements you know well they're different enough that you obviously need to specify which doctor you're talking about for which personality traits specifically because that's how different they are but this obviously it's funny because Loki's core is completely obliterated um i don't know it's like here it's like that you can say stuff like the doctor wouldn't do that or you can say stuff like the 10th doctor wouldn't do that um and both of those phrases can be applied to you know different stuff that you can talk about stuff the hot the doctor as a whole wouldn't would and wouldn't do and that's why you can criticize like the new series because they make fuck with that that's a comment on the uh that's cringe i'm losing my mind over the i am the doctor playing over Loki clips pure serotonin all right look at how many thumbs up i went to high school with her well i just feel like this lizard braid shit when you you do that when you put the music on it reminds me this is a bit of a story you guys uh i know uh the free is aware of all this so the awesome video essayist channel every frame of painting which is partially what inspired the name of this podcast had a video said and i'm pretty sure i'm getting this right right the mcu's soundtracks are shit pretty much yeah um mysteriously when asking a random set of people do they remember any tracks in the mcu they they mysteriously leave out the avengers one because that doesn't work when you're trying to say that none of them are memorable um that was the point right here none of them are memorable um and then someone counted someone counted the comment but who made the video but they said it's not that the music is non-memorable it's that they're not using it properly they don't put it in the right places they don't have it in the right payoffs they don't repeat it uh like motifs types of stuff which they're trying to do more so now you'll have noticed um yeah and then there's been different responses to that and then i saw someone make a video where they were like this is true and look and then they played all of fucking Iron Man scenes from every single movie and they just had his original track in the background of all of them and it was like the lamest and shittiest way to try and explain the point and it was like oh it's so fucking epic when he gets his suit out in avengers and he's going down down down down down down down down see it's way better now it's like i feel like it's a little bit more complicated but okay um point being is it really it works for a lot of viewers because they just no offense but just they go oh that's the music and that's Iron Man yeah repetition is a huge part of it there's a really well uh what i'm gonna is that it's true um but we can have a little more finesse than literally just they just slap it on they're like there we go it's that now you know like yeah i guess so but it really it doesn't recompose them it gives you them uh then them uh them them feels and that's what it's relying on to be considered valid rather than actually like well-executed work i love feelings they make me feel yeah well like you can't just slap the same music on every scene like even if you want to use the same thing you've got to like recompose it to fit the tempo and the mood of the scene so like with the suit up um yeah so so you would with the suit up it would instead of being da na na it would be da na na you know it would be a slower more climactic kind of uh uh reinterpretation of that thing yeah um meaning maintaining the like motif yeah that's the thing yeah early order Thor's name would be a heavy motif it sounds boring independence authority style you see i know something children don't you were just a child when the tv a took you but you took down the organization all of the stuff sounds like the doctor i guess so let's let's listen back actually because i got a little last year in the future it sounds from the future pretty futury early order no chaos it sounds boring independence authority style you see i know something children don't you were just a child when the tv a took i do something short so he said the word child well yeah like the other thing about these lines is that you're not only gonna have the trouble of is it doctor or not so yes or no but then you're also gonna be like which doctor would it be though a lot of them are too generic to even fit like that oh yeah yeah it's like the fate thing i know something that children don't know well would the doctor say that i don't know what does he know what's the concept why does a lot of people don't know another good example is like the whole world of order and no chaos sounds boring if i said that there is a character in the mcu that said this who was it and there's a big roulette wheel i'd be like i mean i could see Thor saying it i could see Tony saying it see the doctor saying it yeah quickly enough i can't see a lot of the doctors saying it there are a load of doctors who i feel like wouldn't say that no i'd know yeah i want order and i want to be the one who orders maybe something i don't know thank you but you nearly took down the organization that claims to govern the order of time but no one bad is ever truly bad tonal bloke would say that yeah it's not it's not really a great lie that's because he had that's because tonal actually has a character yes you can say some of these lines may match it's bad low key what do you even say that no one who's bad is intrinsic no one bad or no one bad is truly bad yeah if he said intrinsically bad i'd be like yeah that's a good that's a good quote i guess but truly bad i'm like what does that mean like a five-year-old road i think my girlfriend put it best this show is written by toddlers hey they're trying okay trying is ever truly good you did it on your own you had rings around you're amazing but reference what he's referring to is i guess you could say he's referring to all of it but at the same time she escaped the tva because when she was like 10 years old they abducted her she was taken in and they've got her imprisoned and then she steps on their foot takes their teleporter and just escapes with it and that's how they lost her an adult 2012 version of low key could not escape or this tiny child could yep and no wonder he thinks she's amazing because she just outclasses him in every way for good chunks of the mcu in the first episode he's literally a mad man in a box a blue box that travels in time and space you'll see the like the TARDIS if you think about it the incessant needs to party even in the face of dire strength the incessant need to party classic low key i fucking hate this party the doctor like as a whole i feel like this doctors that don't do that yeah 10 maybe but like that's the closest i can think of to that one like sometimes like i mean well you mean do you mean like um the girl in the fireplace where he does it as a trick yeah that's like the only example i mean hell he's not he doesn't really party he pretends to be drunk to lull people into a false sense of security and then he's like lol just kidding not drunk oh okay yep so there you go so the blatant false equivalency and by the way this scene is so fucking retarded like low key the most you would imagine one of the most paranoid people in the mcu allows himself to get drunk near a woman that he knows will stab him in the back at the first opportunity and near a bunch of guards that he knows will throw him off the fucking train if they even catch a whiff of a suspicious behavior and why why does he do it so that he can entertain the locals that is his goal but luckily he uses his incredible cunning wit and mastery over his spells and abilities to escape capture and definitely not get thrown out of a window by a bunch of normies literally they grab him and throw him and you just it's the perfect setup to a really good moment where they throw him the camera pans back and he's still standing there and he's like who is that something like that there's just an illusion and they can go to grab that one again still an illusion they grab the next one still an illusion because no that's what Loki would do we can't have that in the Loki show so annoying right it's very nice thing with the figgy port who's got the figgy port oh this is the scene we were talking about he's literally yeah so just just be clear if he's going to use this as evidence that the doctor is always partying i want everyone to know going into this concept he's pretending to be drunk he's not actually drunk um oh look is actually look he's actually drunk in in the episode his um his the reveal like halfway through the scene he's like uh he walks up to the guy pretending to be drunk and he's like if you think all of this then you might even think this is real wine and then pause it on him and it like incapacitates him that's the scene we just have to take getting incredibly excited about scientific theories at the expense of someone else sounds like different scenarios let's just say what what are you doing your salad is asga you're seeing annoyed these people are literally actually so when the doctor explains how something works in an unconventional way Loki did it once it's like the doctor but like the doctor weird you're doing that he's been drawn out the doctor is the doctor is doing a thing where he gets super enthusiastic about the science and forgets like to be nice to people for a while it's not even that like it's not even a good it's a bit out of character for the doctor really i never liked this scene oh dead i'd know i'd know he would do that to be fair he would do that sometimes it's amazing moran was our friend push the hawk off the rainbow bridge because he moved his eyebrows what is this i'm not 100 clear on the comparison anymore after that salt hawk the fact he's even working for the i wish Hawkins back to the poetry days where he was an earthbound memory oh what he has a job no i want i want j you got to know this j okay so he what he's comparing to the poetry era is that Loki for half an episode basically works with the tv a to do something oh that's the same that's just like the poetry era he has it he has a job where people employ him to do work down missions like you know who else is exactly like Loki molly you know who's exactly like Loki who's that who's that james bond oh oh yes yeah james brine show a clip of james bond drinking a martini and then loki drinking i bet we could find a clip of like james bond like being enthusiastic or something as well or like i'm martini's milk you know we could definitely find a clip of james bond partying and getting drunk yes and then we can show action moments you like see he's always willing to get in a tussle because it's important he's quite the the man with the ladies and you'll show him seducing sylvie with his very amazing that doesn't really work but you know you try to try and make it work listen in the room at the expense of social cues there are two completely different powers actually how illusion projection involves depicting a detailed image from outside oneself which is perceptible that word so he's saying he's missing a social cue here by explaining that they misunderstood his powers which by the way why would loki explain how his fucking powers work to people he hates because writing is good he acts on the world i feel like loki could benefit from claire's cards that is an interesting location casting until it's recreating an exact fact oh this is the part of the scene that's this out it was literally an example of yeah this is my video of an example of it to being done poorly yeah i remember you explaining either explaining this to me or it was in your video i'm assuming you just told me about it right no this is in the video oh okay um yeah that is cringe the doctor needs his notes from claire because he's forgotten how to be human how you similarly a body in its presence but you already knew that it's not even a good comparison because loki's trying to like insult them in that moment in a way i just don't think that he would reveal how his powers work in order to do that that's not doesn't make sense um but like they're saying this works x-way and he's like actually it doesn't it works this way but of course you already knew that like that's not the same as the doctor being excited about the science when someone's just died not the same yeah and rule one the doctor lies a double cross by history's most reliant oh you know what loki lies to wait wait wait wait they both tell lies times what james bond tells lies i think james bond was lied before yeah wow he's a spy that's like his job yeah he's lied oh there's so many scenes of him lying to the bad guys he's like loki probably like at least twice that's james um spider man lies also is this doctor specific is there a propensity to lie different per doctor or is it relatively the same i feel like it's relatively the same i mean it's never like moffat tries to make it into like a meme it's but like i don't think he does it more than any other doctor and i don't think it's even like that consistent of a part of his character it's like it's a weird moffat thing it's not actually a character trait like he tells lies in situations where it would be beneficial for him to lie you know like a human like you well i was going to say it's a word reference in chat houses catchphrase is much more uh relevant everybody lies he says that all the time because it's just like that's how we work harry osborne lies harold yeah yes that's not even a good why is it the people you can't trust that was the flesh doctor though i think right it's so easy to compare they're both lying so i don't see what we've seen that episode right meme uh yeah oh yeah i've seen that episode that looks the background does look like it's the flesh colored so that's setting so the reason he's saying trust me i'm the doctor in that weird voice where it's like oh is he lying is that's that's not the doctor that's a fake oh so you can't use that as an example of what the doctor would do not really know i mean you sort of can't be bothered to explain why you would be like an example of how somebody might try and emulate the doctor well as in um the copy like becomes very close to the doctor in like a genuine way so you can like i wouldn't have flaws with it but there's also the fact that he's going trust me i'm the doctor in the spooky wake it's because he's not he's pretending to be the doctor batman does lie Loki and batman are kind of similar but there's much deeper comparisons yep that's flesh remember the come doctor yeah the come doctor yeah oh wait sorry us roller bike person's to be night than that remember when carrying that old planet the second son would ride oh fuck off fuck off has gotten the gallifrey you know they're kind of similar if you think about it yeah i mean they're places yeah that have buildings that are all house like an aristocrat aristocratic elite in a yeah i guess of like people who are very powerful should we list all the things that are also similar in that way similar roles in their worlds i mean i think this is a stronger comparison than most of the comparisons made so far you think that the house the doctor and loki are comparable in where they sit in their perspective worlds as no it's in gallifrey and asgard are comparable in as to where they sit in their respective worlds i mean in the same way you could hear a prior bunch of cities yeah like i don't know what what are the significant connections would you say um they are both sort of this um essentially peak of like peak of power society within their universes so they've got they've got this sort they house like a sort of um culture of like this a lot of show aristocrats elite of like philosophers and and science people and and they sort of just look down on the rest of the universe as guardians don't look down on the rest of i guess that's kind of the arc for for one is that you shouldn't look down on the other realms yeah i mean they both blow up that's true well gallifrey came back right hey and then look again it didn't blow up it just got annihilated they both met they both met a horrific destruction um i feel like that's not even close to enough though um that comparisons oh i think it's one of the best comparisons in the video i guess i just that's a low bar tells you what you think about the video i get destruction of gallifrey well he didn't even compare a single line from loki's like sadness about as god having been blown up which oh i guess he's about to show it in the clip that's good that's something but it's nowhere near the doctor's reverence for uh uh gallifrey was a master stroke by rtd because it gave the doctor conflicts in characterization that marked him as wholly different to his predecessors you can mark old and new who by the 16 year wilderness gap but in universe you can mark the two eras by the destruction of his homeworld for years afterwards and carrying into the moffat era the loss of his world and people provided ample material for writers to have the doctor react in new and interesting ways with something like the val agreed i think that's all fair yeah vampires in venice for example a four five years after we learned about gallifrey the doctor's genocide is still informing all of his decisions rtd gave the necessary added weight to the character to propel them into the 2000s and beyond so too has loki used the destruction of as god no no no there's nothing to compare the destruction of as god doesn't play into basically any of his fucking decisions as far as i remember you're gonna have to prove this one yeah i never cried in ragnarok like the actual event like who died when it blew up like compare that to gallifrey where everyone supposedly died yeah i mean the whole point of ragnarok is as god is not at places as a people all the people have been evacuated this doesn't this doesn't work the same way at all and it's funny because he had so much to work with a doctor who and he was explaining that the eye and several people here are aware of but with loki you've got barely anything so like when when when does when does loki come in for a bit but i think the i think it only exists to further the idea of a extinction level uh event that's how he kind of gets the idea i think well this is just very surface level as far as i'm concerned they both had a homeworld that was destroyed i was just about to say that this reminds me a lot of the other stuff in this video very surface level comparison we get a fantastic quiet moment alone with the trickster we see that in spite of running away and pretending he doesn't fit in the trickster is the name of a character from doctor who's universe perhaps the only one who's ever willing to admit certainly around others yes very sad anyway it got me thinking i just don't get how you can compare that to the doctor's the doctor's face whenever gallifrey is brought up and stuff like that it's not the same no and now both thor and loki's characterization has benefited from ragnarok rtd and the marvel teams who worked on both journeys understand that breaking your hero is the quickest way to reignite interest in their story you just described loki as a hero and also he is broken just not in the way i think you think he's broky bro we love to see heroes fall broky back so that they may get the chance to pick themselves back up it also lends a little bit of sweet dramatic irony to the tale where there wasn't before with who the master and other timelands returning to the fray was always treated as a surprise here we know that asgard might be destroyed but its people are thriving loki doesn't know it yet but the start of this new era for the character is a journey about going home so he's saying that loki isn't even aware that the people of asgard are safe you know and that's the important part since when does loki give a fuck you don't give a shit wait wouldn't it say how many casualties there were on that fucking document though i think it said like 9700 or something and he should be able to know the population of asgard so which is weird because that does not look like a city with 9700 people in it and no one and that's just blatantly wrong and shouldn't their omni awareness is the tv a mean that they know that like two people died sorter and uh fucking hella well maybe maybe 90 maybe nine uh maybe 9700 people is the number that they didn't manage to evacuate the long way around it depends how it all ends up going but i think it would be a nice end to loki's story his real end to his story if he continues to have his own thawless adventures before reuniting on asgard he's already uh he can't say his ending is that he continues to no that's not no he's also just said like he's looking forward to reuniting with thaw and i'm just like i hate this i hate doing this no stop we did this we already did all of this this was done and you just want a necronomic on this shit we have this why do i keep saying old asgard new asgard new asgard new asgard as we say goodbye don't forget the n word i'm not just a time no no stop doing it look he doesn't give a shit i'm the last of the time he's an ice giant he said doesn't see himself as guardian that this so many ways this doesn't work he's not even as guarded like biologically he knows as the paper should say that plenty of them escaped he would know that from watching the fucking tape there was clips of them escaping asgard as it explodes i'm starting to get very confused actually shouldn't you have seen this already or i guess he didn't see that clip this happens between him seeing i'm actually really lost because he leaves out the whole part yeah how do you go through loki's history in the mcu and managed to just miss out the destruction of asgard it's like damn it must have just hit the skip button by accident yeah the second episode helps skewer loki closer to the doctor by giving him a closer nihilistic edge to the timelord once everything they know dear has burned and they've seen as much so you see that maniacal laughter that he has after seeing his timeline shouldn't that be like the beginning of like a dark villainous arc as he slowly descends into this existential madness rather than immediately just going oh no i don't like killing people i'm you have revealed my it's already a horrific villain he's gonna be a good guy shut up oh the university's horrors is them here because because i can't see what okay that just please just find a high quality clip oh that's what your issue i thought you're gonna say something about whatever they used it for not but yes no i've just been bugging me the inconsistency of the clips this whole time it's like the aspect ratio is constantly changing you know it's really nice even when like the majority of the show is filmed in the same aspect ratio at least of the clips that he's showing so what's everything like just respect ratio he's clearly not got he's clearly not got copies of the actual episodes and he's sourcing his clips from various places which like is fine but at least like try to make them look like they're uniform so crop if they're in a different aspect ratio crop them into the correct aspect ratio people will not notice if it's i guess what people don't fucking notice the aspect ratio anyway but people especially what you should notice no one is capable of notice you should this frame has been cropped a little bit feel shame chat they should just notice when the resolution goes from 1080p to fucking 480 okay that's when you should notice yeah it has burned and they've seen as much of the university's horrors as them because i can't see it oh to be fair that was a delete yeah that's a deleted scene okay never mind that that's completely reasonable to have a lot of quality copy of that do they not have high quality deleted scenes or the they're all poopy i mean i feel like right inconsistent like the deleted scenes we often get from other especially as well i feel like it's completely reasonable of a youtuber not to want to buy like a dvd to rip a high quality version of one deleted scene for like three seconds of their video they know that nothing matters well it's the thing it was kind of surprising because i was like this guy probably does have all of dr who in hd on his pay a hard drive because he uses a lot of it for his videos so you'd think he would make fan detected no no real fan detected because of the deleted scene explanation but also why is using like a deleted scene to demonstrate his point that's not okay yeah let's actually we're going to roll back to see what the point actually is giving him a closer nihilistic edge to the timelords once everything they know dear has burned and they've seen as much of the university's horrors as them why am i here because because i can't see it anymore they know that nothing matters i look at a star it's just a big ball of burning gas and i know how the gun and that ends and i was probably there both times that's why traveling around the stars is so important so that so you're saying that i don't see how loki could possibly have this element that the doctor has i don't i don't see it i don't see it loki hasn't seen that much relative to what you would have thought he had he's been in at asgard for the majority of his life like he's not like the doctor where he's been fucking everywhere and every when yeah like loki is older than the doctor at that point in the doctor's history but the doctor has had a larger wealth of experiences uh loki the the how old are you saying the doctor is oh well in that clip he was about 900 um oh was he not oh he's because like i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna pull my nerd cred here at that point he's been calling himself 900 for like fucking several like decades of seasons he just stopped counting at one point oh that hurts your point because that would be a lie just like loki lies ah he's just like oh you've got all the way around there is a point when he's like the seventh doctor and he's calling himself 900 um he's the thing is he's a time traveler he has no consistent like bearing he has no consistent thing to compare himself to like the passage of time to get his age so he just sort of goes yeah i'm about 900 for like a thousand years oh yeah that's proven wrong now after a while everything is just stuff that's the problem you make all the space and time your backyard traveling meeting people anywhere and everywhere that's what gives him hope again you how are you going to tie this into loki how he has hope because well let's find out let's guess you know let's guess let's play let's have some let's have a fun game a guessing like loki gets where we try to see silvy how he compares it i don't and i think that is probably gonna be what he's going to show is he's going to play the clip where he's like yeah i believe in you and you're great and and i'm going to stand here and do stuff it'll be great and i think that's what he's going to do no we see it and when you see it i see it do you know in 900 years of time in space haven't it well sorry i just saw i missed all that did you see a squirrel i didn't see a squirrel don't exist in this country they don't i'm very excited for how he's going to tie this back to loki honestly do you know in 900 years of time in space no no no no i just like okay first off the thing happened again i'm sorry for that however i just i just learned that there are no wow that was a complete guess yeah wait what was the guess i guess where it is in the timeline i was right i didn't actually know go ahead brax there were no squirrels in australia are you serious yeah unless it's in a zoo like ground squirrels tree squirrels where you put squirrels in zoos here's your art so when i went to the uk i was very impressed by seal up by my squirrels and i took a lot of pictures of them because i'd never seen squirrels before we just don't have them here we have squirrels freeware did the e-music yeah not here all over the place gear is carolin insists the eastern gray squirrel is a dominant you made that up species in my region no it's a serious serious latin so scarious um i'm not sure how this tracks but uh oh well wait that says well we don't have squirrels here i don't i've never seen one there might be an invasive species let me see uh what kind of squirrel yeah it says apparently there are squirrels all right i didn't know so wait you lied to us are you just like low key wait oh no they would deliberately introduce string fringy is exactly like the doctor and low key yes no lies the fringy lies we saw a shit time when we went to south dakota a little ground ground uh ground squirrels all over the place prairie dogs all over the place sticking their nose what the fuck is a prairie dog prairie dog you don't know what a prairie dog is i know i know of them i know that they are a creature and i'm pretty sure that like if i saw it i would be aware of like sat being a thing it's not a dog yeah it's like oh no the other ground squirrels yeah why is it like little chip monks i have i will well why is it called a monk it's not a chip or a monk i was a nurse you know these are the real questions i have an amusing story for when i found out what a prairie dog is oh my goodness gracious we both picked the perfect image oh my goodness gracious it's because it's the one image that you get on wikipedia see well i was like i was on the images tab i wasn't on the wikipedia it's wikipedia see there it is oh yeah i definition i say just a good image so yeah prairie dogs are they're they're uh they're something else i think i only heard of them in like american media i don't know if we have them so it just seemed but i i still remember when i found out what they were definitively because any of you guys seen rat race i think i have is that that's the remake of it's a mad mad mad mad world right drum closes in it so some people in chat if they know the film well enough will know i'm going with this so there's there's one of the people in the rat race is like a dad with a bunch of like a family and they're supposed to be on some kind of trip and his his idea is i will deviate to get the finish the rat race get the money and then we'll go on a better trip but he doesn't tell any of them now during the trip we're probably going to watch rat race free fat movies at some point i think okay during the trip i remember the purge on korea indiana showings four the beautiful prairie dog um during during the trip that the daughter needs to to go toilet as a laxie would say gotta go toilet and uh he's like now when i'm pulling over gotta complete the rat race and then there's more and more complaints and then she says i'm prairie dog in and i was like when i was watching my dad i was like what the hell does that mean my dad was like uh like i mean uh and then and then the payoff is that her ass is hanging out the window as she um i guess poos and i think it's i can't remember it splats on someone's car you know classic humor but um yeah that's the day i learned what a prairie dog is and then i was able to transpose that information into the sand and said in rat race and then go ew because rat race is a movie um i have seen the old one i have not seen rat race i remember like in john cleason he's funny not in it enough uh but the prairie dog got its name because of their barks because the prairie dogs when they see something they don't like they make a like a barking noise which is also uh tree squirrels like the eastern gray squirrel curious careland says that we have all around here they they also bark that's the name they're called when they uh make a noise so they're called prairie dogs and it and uh it says here i'm looking on the wikipedia that on the louis and clark expedition they said they discovered a village of an animal the french call the prairie dog in fact this genus arrives from the greek for dog mouse so there you go that's why it's wow they keep hogging up all the animal names i'm telling you man there's some good stuff with this image on screen by the way of uh james franco's doth vader excellent by the way um do you guys know that his career is basically over yeah he's uh got a lot of accusations against him right it's um what the accusation well they're really strange in the green goblin he was though he uh he created like an acting class thing and i guess the accusation is that he would get women in and he would have them do like sex scenes and stuff as stuff and they feel that it was done specifically because he just wanted to see them naked and stuff i feel if you're james franco getting women to be naked around you shouldn't be you shouldn't have to be underhanded about it yeah well um i think is seth rogan basically said like you'll never associate with him again now as well yeah i think sorry which is pretty nuts because those two made like a bazillion things together um but yeah i i don't know more about it i remember just seeing like the brief version i was just like this seems strange like there must be a whole story here but apparently he settled with him so uh which doesn't mean you're guilty it just mean you're guilty but i know he um did some dodgy stuff trying to basically solicit an underage girl a few years back and then we're like um receipts and everything for it so there's a little bit of a paper trail there yeah i don't know i i wouldn't want to make any claim either way i just know that it's costing significantly and we probably aren't gonna see him do anything ever again i don't know anyone who wasn't important before but wait the writing might be terrible in the current era of dr who but christ chibnau at least recognized it was time to expand the parameters of who could play the doctor that's at least something dr who has over lowkey this isn't about you well shit i find it hard to believe the casting appeal i feel like we didn't really can complete the point there yeah i feel like you like we've just gone to a new place all of a sudden i'm gonna roll him a little further back because the whole thing that i was struggling with was the doctor has got such a huge wealth of experience that it gives him very unique perspectives in many moments and he's often in he requires the companion to maintain a humanity that he can sometimes lose how the fuck do you compare that to lowkey in any way shape oh no i was waiting for that give me i don't know give me the explanation you know in 900 years of time and space i've never met anyone who wasn't important before but wait the writing might be terrible in the current era of dr who all right he caught the writing pad you are yeah you're cracked he uh wow that was explicit he didn't say it's not for me yeah goodness well done you did it that's how you really feel at least recognized it was time to expand the parameters of who could play the doctor that's at least something dr who has over lowkey so yeah we didn't finish that that point but now we've moved on to um you know at least the doctor was bold enough to have a woman play them and then he's like oh shit lowkey did too i guess that's we're moving on um okay this isn't about you well shit i find it hard to believe the casting and appearance of lady lowkey aka sylvie wasn't meant to evoke jody whitaker wait what why why what is it just because she's blonde is it because she's a woman with blonde hair i feel like i feel like disney isn't paying that much attention to dr who you're not gonna lie yeah i don't think they give a fuck about dr who i bet dr who wishes it could be making that disney attention and money she's not even the same flavor of blonde as jody and they're not wow you think that i don't sound the same either this is so little compared except that they're a woman like dude fine they're also blonde look at them side by side for crying out loud and the first full episode of the character is essentially a multi doctor special as low hair is wavy jody's hair is straight what the fuck kin sylvie team up in a very doctoring manner of some parts bickering some parts banter a lot of parts ego and finally some sweet sweet unity oh i don't hear they're in his fake what did that have to do with the doctor being a woman it was dr esque for them to have banter okay the doctor has done that i feel like we are is we are are for similarities is the subterranean a very short amount it's like an archaeologist would have to recover this bar for how low it is and remember that the idea here is that low key is what doctor who should be it's the antidote for bad doctor who like oh you're just saying that they're in some extremely surface level ways similar pretty much this burgeoning new character but i think she's given me more of a reason to care than i ever had with the 13th doctor case in point this backstory for sylvie is actually fairly similar to the timeless child okay oh fuck oh okay so many fucking issues wait really when i summarize that i gave you the backstory ready jay you have it all she was a kid it as god she's like 10 they appear at a portal they take her away she kicks them in the foot and then she runs off that is her backstory that's not yeah i don't even close to what the doctors is what what did you do did you play with the boat when she wasn't supposed to well she's a girl i'm guessing is the reason she had to but she's been a girl for like 10 years correct um and it doesn't make any sense because if you deviate from the sacred timeline for even five minutes sometimes it reaches the red zone she's deviated for like a decade how the fuck is this coexisting with male low key that doesn't make sense and they established in the first episode that showing up for work late is enough to have your universe melted so like i i assumed it was something tiny and inconsequential and super duper unfair to her like she played with the wrong boat toy or something well i i didn't think it's because she was a girl because yeah i know i know i know you mean like it's so fucking confusing but that see that's the thing it doesn't make any sense and then the fact there's like i still cared though i'd be like why why do you care about this so much what's the investment please explain to me what the explanation albeit in an obtuse way a young powerful girl is found by a time-bedding organization and captured against her will the difference is the doctor is captured ultimately the final turn of the child hasn't captured against her will isn't she captured her will again though that's the time the time while the timeless child was like the timeless child is just is just taken like she doesn't they don't specify whether or not she was on board with it i don't think and it's like a kid was found by a portal by a person and they went home together like that's it and essentially adopted isn't the first time she regenerates because she falls off like a thing that she's playing around with with some other people yeah it's not really it's a weird sort of slavery about i guess i don't know magic trick and seat designed to pull along she is like she's experimented on stuff no that that part yeah but like when she first joins them she's not that's true oh yeah that's what starts the experimentation and it's such a weird comparison it's not the same at all powerful girl is found by time-bedding organization and captured against her will the difference is the doctor's version is ultimately the final turn of a shallow magic trick a conceit designed to pull us along the 12 series only to be rewarded with a shocking twist at the end it's a ham-fisted retconning of the doctor that she seems to shrug off moments later sylvie's backstory has been set by the show first of all not awkwardly retconned is nonsensical secondly this plot beat has been used to bolster her character not strip it away i don't know how you can argue any of this when it doesn't make any sense at all wait so he thinks that sylvie's um history bolsters her character but she barely even has a history she runs away from capture well um inexplicably escaping i guess he's correct in a sense that she doesn't like the tv a why because the tv a kind of did all that stuff to her she was younger like okay yeah uh i mean she does what pretty much anybody would do yes there's not really like of all the options she had she she did do the only thing she could do you're right like the the apocalypse thing if she hadn't done that she would have been found and then booped so yeah i don't know i just the idea that it's like that bolsters her completely like okay compared to the doctor hasn't done anything except be like a bait or whatever i should be like sure but i mean i would describe all of phase four is just huge bait so far they just want you to keep consuming she's immediately been positioned as a tragic character like the original lowkey but with a more concerted center of moral goodness so more concerted center of moral moral goodness a more concerted center of moral goodness is that's a fun sentence i like however i'm trying to translate in my own head what do i think that means like a more concerted center well let's let's explore concert just so i'm clear and concerted jointly arranged planned or carried out coordinated so she has a coordinated center of moral goodness that sounds like a weird salad to me yeah that's why i was there sort of repeating it like i'm not sure that i don't think that's i don't know that that means anything a concerted center of moral goodness the most i can do with that right now is to maybe he's trying to say that her goodness happens for a reason but that's literally anyone's but a concerted center of moral goodness like she's planned out why she's good or her plan is coordinated towards a good point is he trying to make her is is he saying that she has a more sound foundation for like being a good person is that what he's trying to say uh i guess so what you said makes sense um yeah but that's i'm trying to i'm guessing yeah let's understand like i like if he had said what you said i'd be like yeah there there's something like you could do something with that there is a reason why she's doing this let's let's replay it again i need i need that full context yeah i'm just a bunch of nitpicking and set by the show first of all not awkwardly reckoned in and secondly this plot beat has been used to bolster her character not strip it away she's immediately been positioned as a tragic character like the original also by the way saying that a scene is good because it it bolsters a character instead of stripping it away again you haven't really qualified that like it's it saying this thing is good because it doesn't actively undermine something like yeah sure oh well i guess i guess i'm just he's saying that he it bolsters it but i don't understand how it does i don't see how it does either it she just does something that and it would be bizarre if people didn't do what she did well yeah so i was about to say the alternative is that she tries to take down the tv this whole time we never knew why it'd be like that was kind of strange they never actually explained like any of that okay meanwhile it's like well in this incredible vision we got the scene where she was taken by them at a young age and escaped escaping that's why she hates them like okay yeah we haven't done that much really yeah it doesn't feel like much just like that i guess that works it's a hamfisted retconning of the doctor that she seems to shrug off moments later sylvie's backstory has been set by the show first of all not awkwardly retconned in and secondly this plot beat has been used to bolster her character not stripped away she's immediately been positioned as a tragic character like the original lowkey but with a more concerted center of moral goodness so he's saying that she's better just a better person than lowkey yeah than lowkey the lowkey's backstory is way more developed than hers is and it's not even close it's ridiculous to even hear them we've got nothing on why she's a good person we got something on why she hates the tv a and they even say that it's for vengeance it's not because it's the right thing to do she wants revenge and the really weird part is that you've made a tv show where you have a lot more time you have a lot more time to develop sylvie than there was for lowkey you only had two movies at this point and the show's longer than that you could have just had a whole episode that was like the sylvie episode where we see what she's been doing her whole life now more why do we need an explanation for a character to want to destroy the force removing free will so it's less to do with that more to do with how the fuck did any of this happen how are you here how are you making these decisions how do you know about the tv a how are you involved in all of this when they erase anybody who even makes the wrong choice irrelevant of the tv is like how how did any of this happen and why do you hate them so much i can make up any reason i want for why she might have one of them may have included when she was 10 years old they fucking teleport her out of asgard and tried to kill her or whatever like you can do that you just expect that they'll give you something this lowkey hasn't really done anything wrong that we know of anyway she was taken from a young age and never got the chance to be evil in her own words stole a tempad and i ram how does she know how to run a tempad how does she know that the tempad does what it does excellent questions i guess she watched it once and learned all of it fast and i've ever run and i've been running my whole life the capture of sylvie is also a payoff all its own because it cleverly reframes the first few series to reflect our newfound perspective of the tv a sylvie is captured by the tv a as a young child unlike lowkey she is innocent and like lowkey she isn't an adult hang on lowkey is innocent in terms of what they're punishing him for lowkey didn't commit any fucking crimes that they're punishing him for in fact basically everybody who does this is innocent because the tv a is an unknown entity you didn't know that what you're doing is not allowed and it's not even demonstrable that it's harmful yeah exactly the implication here is that if say for example you you fucking stole a mars bar then when you end up in the tv a well you're not exactly innocent they're just like what the fuck does this have to do with that i didn't know that stealing mars bar would mean that i'd get melted because i just destroyed the second time well you're gonna go to hell for eternity it's insane like it's not how it works she's innocent he's not it's like he's also not 10 years old well but like lowkey is guilty of different crimes not breaking the i just mean that's like i just thought the avengers are guilty for all we know would have been on the exact same pathway but she was taken at an early age like his thing falls apart in a couple of ways is my point yeah yeah i get you need to treat the situation because i could just stamp on her foot at any time right now yeah but it's actually insane he could grab his stick and vaporize it right now if he's fast enough which he probably is it's of carelessness and glib charm as ever just copyright is he saying that the comparison here is like it's kind of fun with lowkey but with her it's much more like oh no this is horrifying yeah i mean okay that's less to do with that the reality of who and he rather it's just how they decided to present it because of course we were already like this is horrifying in the first episode that this is a thing that happens well yeah remember what was meant to be played off as a joke that that dude got melted remember that yeah rick and morty does this a lot it'll show horrifying things but it's usually in a very funny tone so yeah this is just it's not really to do with how old each subject is or how innocent each subject is it's just the choice of the presentation yeah to my knowledge do a lot of people not know if they're robots for a child being brought into the tva brings out the very worst authoritarian stylings of the organization i feel like i got that from episode one greatest offender in fact it completely reconnected the cosmos of the ncu yeah like by the end of episode one it's like oh you're just time fascist are you i'm starting to think that he didn't see it that way because lowkey's a bad guy so it gets fine watching lowkey go through all of this because like i you know you're innocent man oh that's a bit concerning though a little bit yeah that does they literally say that if you're late for work you'll get fucking sent i'll wait no sense to the purple dragon to die a horrific death yeah yeah naturally it is a horrifying affair stripped of humanity and the tva's true heart is laid bare what why do you say that like that we only saw that with her but not with lowkey they vaporize somebody because he didn't have his ticket i mean i don't know why you're sorry we see a guy getting melted you're like oh he just didn't have a ticket that was on the other side of the room he just walked over there and grabbed it we watched the murder room run a court case where it's impossible to win and there's no actual like prosecution or defense it's like this is horrifying they invented those in australia that's why they get their name yeah yeah oh yeah you remember this where she's like leave him alone stop hurting him like see she's good hearted even though lowkey does this lowkey said oh no don't hurt those people make sure you save them she has more of a reason to hate and destroy the tva than our lowkey does so it will be why no why no why tell me why right that she gets to complete the journey in this series wait what that's not completing the journey this is this is like chapter four of six so you gotta wait a little bit lowkey's only just getting to grips with being the doctor but silvie has been running for many lines oh grips with being the doctor and silvie's been the doctor for years it's like your comparison's not been it's fine we'll just keep going i also have to wonder how well balanced lowkey would have turned out if his parents had told him he was adopted what they told you yeah frigor is to blame for that as much as odin which means that the i don't know that i don't know that it's just a truth that you tell an adopted child they're adopted like what if he turned out worse do you then say you shouldn't have told him he was adopted that was your mistake because there's so many things to weigh up the role of the dice in a lot of circumstances children can take it well or not like it's i don't know that we just knew everyone agrees you always tell them it's like i don't know only truly innocent party in his entire family who loves him purely is thaw quite not odin and definitely odin and they definitely like odin literally says i love you my sons is he saying that they don't truly love him because they went honest about him being adopted neither was thaw that's i guess that's but that's not i don't see how you could say that that's what love means let's let's roll him back because i'm getting very lost here in the point if his parents had told him he was adopted what they told you yeah frigor is to blame for that as much as odin which means that the only truly innocent party in his entire family who loves him purely innocent that's what he described him as okay innocent i just i find it baffling that you're you're guilty if you didn't tell your child they're adopted okay is thaw come home yet we can we can run scenes for this by the way the most for frigor and then for odin and for thaw they all do this i don't know why you exactly doesn't make sense silvie's tragedy is that she was brought up with honesty but still had to become a trickster in order to survive we didn't we didn't even get that from she was brought up with honesty but had to become a trickster why the i had no she was adopted that doesn't know how not being told means that you become a trick i was gonna say he became a trickster specifically because he was taught all the illusion magic by his mother not because he was lied to about being adopted what the fuck are you talking about that was his trait that was what he was good at he didn't become super strong and throw a hammer around that wasn't his thing but why would she she she didn't get the chance to be taught it by her mother is what was what she says right oh yeah jay i don't know if you know this but she has the power to be able to um like control people's minds by touching them in their head and she gets access to their memories as well um that's powerful you know how she learned that how she taught herself oh how what do you mean how she taught herself she's the best man she even teaches uh Loki how to do it in episode five literally in like a second oh that's useful yeah this is actually a super simple trick that just people don't know it's like meanwhile in a book Loki having been taught how to do illusions by his mum is like awesome because it helps sort of stabilize how much he would probably care about you can imagine all the time they would have spent getting it right and why he loves you but uh she taught herself she read it on a wiki yeah i have to try harder than that illusion wiki then don't give me your tech savvy ideas either i think is academic to compare female characters unless you have an actual point of comparison to make wait what what what i need to hear that again i thought i thought i feel like i've heard something completely different now in order to survive you're gonna have to try harder than that then don't give me your tech savvy ideas either i think is academic to compare female characters unless you have an actual point of comparison to make i think it's academic to compare the characters unless you have a point of comparison to make is that sentence just broken uh i think that's what he said and i think that is academic is in a position to practical it doesn't mean unacademic and he just fucked up i feel like the sentence is actually broken he didn't mean to say what he said i think i think he means like academic in the way that people say like purely academic is in like we're never gonna put this to practical use i think that's what he's going for that's my guess well onto the gadel pile like i'm i mean i need to hear it again i'm not gonna do this one that's a gadelmable quote come home silvi's tragedy is that she was brought up with honesty but still had to become a trickster in order to survive you're gonna have to try harder yeah you made that up then don't give me your tech savvy ideas either i think it's academic to compare female characters unless you have an actual point of comparison to make if you want to compare the 13th doctor to loki it shouldn't have to be lady loki by default but since this variant clearly has some connective tissue with whittaker's dock and the hiddleston loki has something going on it would be laughable to compare two crappy seasons to a decade long arc no silvi is an absolute person i'm so lost i just i'm lost because i feel like he just criticized him his whole fucking thing that he's just done in the past five minutes and i'm just like wait that's not what you think i'm lost what's happening i am lost as well this is bizarre to me i think it's academic to compare female characters unless you have an actual point of comparison to make yeah like what i don't understand this sentence baffles me it's been a while since we've had one of these you like it oh good help good help no it is already in good help i'm just staring at it i'm so fascinated by it that is what he said yeah um i have no it sounds like he's shitting on academic like it's like yeah it's fucking academic to do it unless you have an actual point of comparison earlier because i mean that's a word that people don't normally use but sort of know what it means so my brain is like did you mean asinine but it's so far away from an academic that can't be that i like when you repeated that sentence back to you you actually just defaulted into the almost into the gadel voice just to say it out more to say it in the catel voice no you get that in april it's still get i'm gonna listen to it again and we'll just we're just gonna move on silvi's tragedy is that she was brought up with honesty but still had to become a trickster in order to survive with honest on saving your enemies that's not like a tragedy warfare is i've heard that warfare is based on deception yes i don't know who you heard that from well you know what i think of when when you when you say it i think of the inflatable tanks thing they did oh they don't they don't know about leonardo divinci chat before the thing or what people think that he's who actually said that what wait sorry what do i what i am so confused like i like remember when earlier we were talking about leonardo divinci very briefly was that during the e-fapper before it i think it's before it i'm not sure why i would have missed all that so people will think that i think that leonardo said that quote when it isn't him who said that why would they think that well why would because i really said that leonard jokingly except it's a little awkward because i already said that sun sue said it like a second before you got that joke out so oh only heard the sun sue part and there was there was no argument and so that's that would be so chat probably knew that you were joking because you push back sometimes uh maybe you know jokes it's a it's a tricky business you know it is a tricky business much like writing where you end up writing something that is still baffling me but we're about to listen to it once again so get your ears ready everyone they're ready get your brain ready then don't give me your tech savvy ideas either i think it's academic to compare female characters unless you have an actual point of comparison to make if you want to compare the 13th doctor to loki it shouldn't have to be lady loki by default i think he means purely academic i i think he means something completely different i'm gonna say with that i still think that that's not i know not really but i think it's closer i think it's purely academic to compare female characters unless you have an actual point of view why is he shitting on academic then i think there's a i think there was a total breakdown between the concept in his head and what managed to make into the video that he just did so yeah so i need to know what he thinks it means to be academic in comparison because it sounds like he's shitting on it academic though like i don't know exactly so either the word is wrong or it's true it's just that he really doesn't think much of an academic perspective but why would anyone think or say that maybe the next sentence will make it all clear all right maybe let us let us try to make if you want to compare the 13th doctor to loki it shouldn't have to be lady loki by default but since this variant clearly has some connective tissue with whittaker's dock and the hiddleston loki has so much going on it would be laughable to compare two crappy seasons to a decade long arc no silvi is an apt comparison because she has more consistent characterization than 13 and far more nuanced to a similar story i'm pretty sure that like no matter how you look at it that was word salad they're a lot i think i understood what he was saying i don't i'm ignoring most of the words i'm pretty sure he just what he said was it's lame to compare them just because they're girls but in this case it's not that it's that they have very similar sort of stories going on and it would also be unfair to do it because of two seasons versus a couple of episodes but silvi is so much stronger while also having a very similar backstory i'm pretty sure that's what he just said but he said it so weird fucking weird he said it in a very roundabout and confusing way that's for sure because i i like agree with a lot of what he just what he was like you shouldn't just compare them because they're females like oh that yes yeah true yeah obviously yep but then he said other things why is that academic i don't know please redraft lol no it's boring to redraft nobody likes redraft it the mic drop is that we've only seen her twice so far wait the mic drops well so he's saying she's dominating wouldn't have sentences like that and even if i didn't redraft well some people this is the thing the amount of time you need to redrafts can be different for everybody that's true that's very a lot of people just don't do redrafting at all because they're like uh i've written it down that's already way better than me just speaking it so i don't know which i guess is really awkward when everybody acknowledges that if you write a story you need to redraft but if you're writing a script for a video you don't even though because writing is a discipline is applicable to both but okay oh of course well yeah i mean if you're writing an essay for school do you just write down the first thing that comes to your head and then just submit it or go back through it if you look at jcs or the other channels like that they are storytellers as well as critics slash analysis people a lot of these run that way where you want to break something down you're like ooh i'll probably save that for a good example is the eventual video i'll make in 20 73 on two minute dark fate i won't be talking about what they do to john connor at the beginning that'll happen way later because that's just like even though it's right at the beginning so i don't want to talk about it then it's going to be once i'm tired of everything else and then i'll bring it in as more of a point about what they decided to do with the storyline and that's a almost a narrative decision that's a we're rising rising rising which is how i usually focus my summaries on videos if for example my biggest problem comes in with the world i'm probably going to leave that to last but if it's something that's barely you know anything's done with it like um i was about to say in wandavision i don't know if the magical system counters will building i guess they do um yeah but in in lowkey falcon limited soldier and a wandavision if i was to make breakdowns of any of them the last topic is probably going to be character assassination because it feels like the biggest damage that's done and it's yeah it's just a build a sense of rising and i think that that discipline is something that should be appreciated more but a lot of people are they making youtube videos they're like it's a youtube video i'm just chill i'm just saying about what i think you're like okay that's fine it's always a always a good defense it just leaves me completely confused when i hear stuff like this hmm i think that's academic that yeah that's the thing if that's the definition you're using that is that i wasn't even familiar with that definition no no someone in chat i think the vast majority of people are not it's confusing because why wouldn't you use academic why would you use academic instead of useless in that sentence so if it was useless i think it's useless to compare female characters unless you have an actual opponent you're right useless would wait i don't know why you put academic in there yeah if i was gonna guess what academic meant right if i was just someone said academic what does it mean i would say like the opposite of that yeah more it's like a more sterile and fully referenced sort of yeah approach with probably like references to maybe stats i would say dare i dare i say it it sounds like it could mean objective hmm could mean that yeah um it's we just need to look at the context they're using it in and for this one i just have no idea why i used that word i just don't get it and i can't think of any easy word that slips in that he would have mistakenly said uh or didn't meant said meant to say versus seasons as if there was ever proof that longevity doesn't mean you'll care for a character any more than one you met five minutes ago it's always about the finesse of the story and yeah i got a whole season of still being real don't give a shit interesting though he said it's all about the finesse of a story i feel like that's a slippery word to avoid being nailed down to anything like if he was in this call it'd be like twin perfect you're like what do you mean the finesse of the story and we would go on and on and on until he eventually says how much you like it that would be the core yeah i don't want to commit to anything else the finesse of the writing ranks intricate is well it is the only way you could really make it work but well that's the thing i think if you were to push him on it he would just keep switching words until he gets all the way down to uh how much i enjoy it how much it is for me which isn't worth anything in the in the concept of trying to discover what it means to have well-written characters or not two seasons as if there was ever proof that longevity doesn't mean you'll care for a character any more than one you met five minutes ago it's always about the finesse of the story and its ability to make these people feel real no matter how far flung the fantasy and since both loci's have a whole standard there making the people feel real which would shatter in five minutes if we were to have a conversation with them it's like so when you say feels real what do you mean and he wouldn't say it compares to real life he probably had the best thing you could say is consistent with what they value well they have just leaf characters they believe in their own according to their motives they have human reactions to stuff um that kind of thing you know they are character they are human characters even if they're not yeah but then you do the thing we are like and so if i break those rules is it automatically bad he'd be like no you could probably do it well and we'd tangle him up mainly because i'm pretty sure he's one of the people that's like there is no definitive way you're supposed to do anything out of each other it's only fair that we talk about the multi doctor parallels uh multi doctor parallels rags the term multi doctor generally is used because doctor is a time travel show um when they put more than one doctor in a in an episode he doesn't mean there are lots of parallels he means that it's parallels to like the doctors interacting with themselves okay i don't know if that was unclear or not i felt halfway through that i'm like am i just saying something really fucking obvious no i i see what you mean now but when someone said multi doctor parallels um they like does is when he says doctor does he mean like the show does he mean the doctor character does he mean multiple shows or multiple doctors he means parallels to the doctor interacting with another version of the doctor all right all right which is what they're doing here right because Loki's a doctor yeah yes very whilst i'm sure comparisons will be made to Loki as master who rather than doctor who i think that would invalidate the ever-present darkness to the doctor themselves the doctor and Loki are both hyper smart quick-witted gods who simultaneously no no no no no no that's what they are in paper that is not what they are in execution yeah neither of them are currently well yes they're they're all the same they've both been ruined at the same time it's fine they love themselves and their powers whilst also oh look they both walked through an airplane oh my god wow that's meaningful drowning in guilt and self-loathing they stumble and sometimes they're cruel but ultimately they are the cruelty of Loki cannot fucking compare to doctor who they're worst sorry yep as the doctor ever stabbed someone's eye out while grinning watching people scream as he does it's like no sorry not even a dollar in the universe it's not like the doctor isn't trying to be the superior version of themselves all the time anyway me i presume please if anyone's anyone awesome for copyright you're me oh fuck off hey jay what do you think of that episode um let's not get into that right now oh that good seeing Loki and sylvie clash across lament is reminding me of the potential chat what do you think of that episode i want to know how much of a hot take it would be to say the thing that i want to say about it that's all i'm gonna i'm not actually gonna say it i just want to know chat do you have the doctor yay nay middle yay or middle chat let's let's see uh chat's not loading for me right now character assassination of doctor who never watched it it's bad it gave me cancer gay never saw it really like it fun but nonsensical i see tenet i clap nay yay middle yay gay nay bad don't care i like god every opinion basically okay i'm bad there we go there you go jay said bad nay yay format i prefer them to be safe for anniversaries the cat is well and truly out of the bag with joe martin's doctor so i think she needs at least one central story in series 13 what no the fugitive doctor free of allusions to the timeless child is here to stay so why not do something interesting with her joe de wittaker and joe martin team up series 13 personality wise loki is like seven and 11 ha and sylvie is like nine and a let matt smith's doctor loki is manipulative and wisecracking and thinks he is cool but is in fact incredibly uncool which kind of brings him background to being cool again but has a cool will you stop it and he's not even remotely similar i guess that that's the point of the video but he's desperate to sell the uh loki and doctor yeah i'm not buying it sylvie has really not buying it that propel her will to keep fighting she's also imagine comparing sylvie to the ninth doctor's jury oh okay so a bit of a doofus in the best way possible wait is he no that was a doctor a doofus how is it why why are there twice upon a time clips now what's going on he's trying to say like there are parts of all the doctors in loki and sylvie your own thoughts on what doctors or even masters make up these characters i'd be interested to know in the comments one of those was a zygone everyone's covered in suckers yeah then i'm section the top don't ah see so fear de martino's loki allows the story to focus on new perspectives and storyline potential i like to think of it as going from a leon s kennedy to a chris redfield we can have both what the i keep to one ip i can't handle this going to different people just totally different characters how is the fuck sylvian loki is like chris redfield a leon chow you lost as we are like what's happening i'm i'm tuning out i tuned out a while ago like i don't understand what the point of this video even is why we try to compare loki to doctor who i don't see it i don't i thought the point of the video was the uh to fix doctor who you need to do what loki's doing but now i'm not even sure what the point is yeah i'm lost on that point i feel like that point still we haven't started that point yet we just we're at the comparisons no thanks bro right sylvie could easily lead her own bottle episode much like how monica rambo did it oh you don't want to bring that into the actor that much like a doctor has always been able to take many forms if hillstone wants to venture back into the movie world or retire all together the martino is there what does that have to do with anything people what do you mean they're different people they're entirely different characters like i don't even know it's like oh if loki stops we've still got sylvie i'm just like okay which by the way that's like something of a we don't have i just reckon that's something of a goal they have with phase four is pouring energy from liked characters into new ones well i mean it seems like that's the way that it's happening right now we don't really have new characters in their own stories we have new characters who are getting affixed to the old ones that's really fucking annoying well i guess we have to see right with like shang chi and stuff like the actual new completely new people because they they introduced loads of new characters successfully before by writing good characters maybe they should do that again yeah those were the days dear well since he's been confirmed tom hillstone will not be in thaw love and thunder why not refresh the thaw loki dynamic how could he possibly be in it he's dead well i wouldn't i wouldn't know let's make that one for you anymore also i like that he's he's saying right now that like oh yeah now we have an opportunity for sylvian thaw to have an interaction just like god what would that mean you're the perfect mark for marvel that's exactly what they want you to be hype about it's like we're gonna be great this perfect new thing that's not meaningful in any way how would that even be meaningful to thaw it's like oh you're just a totally different person i don't know all right cool not only is she an alternate dimension loki that he's never met before she never really got to have a relationship with her thaw so she's just a person yeah that's why she have a thaw like that would that would change that you know interaction would she see him in a totally different way she'd be like who are you yeah this video let's take us in turns what what a loki would you see him would she see him and recognize her brother or would she be like who the fuck are you i think she'd be like who the fuck are you because the the most you would have even seen him at was when he was presumably 10 but i don't even know if that's true i have no idea like that they didn't we don't know yeah loki is a mystical character that much like the doctor has always been able to take many forms if if hiddleston wants to mention back into the movie world or retire altogether the martino is there another idea well since it's been confirmed tom hiddleston will not be full of thunder why not refresh the thaw loki dynamic by throwing hemsworth's asgardian into the mix with lady loki no fuck off why the fuck off stop there's nothing there's nothing more meaningful there than combining any random two characters just being like yeah like it would be more meaningful to have spider-man teaming up with thaw i think so yeah yeah oh and then have natalie portman's thaw go on an unlikely buddy cop adventure with hiddleston's loki they already have the animosity seeing them together is one of the least happy things i have as much animosity as any other person would have with low sleep you could literally have been like what if loki goes on an adventure with professor hulk they hate each other what if loki goes on an adventure with cap they hate each other what a little strange with nanos fucking everybody hates loki why would you even reference i would expect to happen and that is why i think it would be cool who would you like to see this new loki or come in thunder i think the bullet in his face that's the team of rags wants to see pretty broad i'd be more interested in seeing thaw and alligator loki have an adventure loki and old loki i want to i want to see the old one yeah old loki with everybody here honestly i assume old loki knows a thaw right well he yeah of course he would have killed him that's uh that's that's his story i thought now it's the young kid is the kid yeah oh sorry yeah mix oh that's right old loki pretended to be dead and infinitely more that's right really exciting better concepts that's no oh no there we go so you are why i mean you are the reason everything is shit you are what you the people who clap at everything and just went more more more oh my god loki so funny series in 11 and 12 for talk to you well oh well he's well he can't destroy every franchise at once i was gonna say this is like a serious problem the whole like the overvaluation of ideas so if i just go my show is about dragons that have traveled through time that's it so i was like that's a really fucking cool concept and it's like is it yeah like i fucking mean it why say it if these people didn't exist if we had real standards with people who actually like weren't horrible at this absorbing information and appreciating things we wouldn't have all these shitty shows companies that have to really pay attention to writing i think i think something that he's just said highlights one of the issues and it's like a core issue with marvel's formula is people are more excited for the idea of what's next rather than what's happening right now yes it's always like oh lady loki could interact with these characters it's like oh but how about how she's interacting with like loki right now in this show that you're watching or you know like oh bomona she's gonna be in shang chi and then when he's in that they'll be like oh he's probably gonna show up somewhere else woohoo and then when he shows up and that oh i wonder if he's gonna meet thunder ross or whatever oh it's like that's let's just let's jump ahead to this super chat but maybe he picked an atly paulman because they originate from the same movie maybe so the interaction he showed hasn't happened for the current loki that's in thought yeah um so that's just awkward and that's why we suggest all those other people would have never met jane at this point correct i don't think that yeah you're right yeah um yeah so that just doesn't work compared to him meeting all of the avengers and going on a buddy cop with any of them that would make way more sense because the animosity that is actually shared instead of presumed you know um yeah in relation to this if uh this is what i kind of hate now is like a writer goes so my idea is that you go to a universe where no one ages beyond age 20 like oh okay and like that's that's my idea all right my one is this a disease that spreads that kills everybody as soon as they reach age 20 and it's a civilization pretty sure this is like a book well i was gonna say all of these things that i'm saying are just gonna either be actual ideas that exist or the variations on ideas that exist and i just don't i don't know why everybody's so like just comes so hard over just that like that nobody ever cares about how they're executed they just talk about what the idea was yeah and ideas are cheap all right it's called the enemy it's a book i'm pretty sure it's everyone over 20 dies it's everyone over 14 is a zombie but it's you know close enough yeah well yeah but that's it's it's that's that's kind of that happens in the point though right like if somebody had that idea it could be a totally different story even if it's the same core idea because ideas are broad and not really yeah an idea isn't a story not yet anyway like like molla what are the what are the some of the best doctor here episodes you've seen well i would choose waters of mars midnight and probably dalek um it's like okay so the concepts there are like i mean blink has a pretty cool concept i guess and no it's true yeah but isn't darling does if you go into the specifics of the relationships from the character to the thing that he's meeting but if you go for like waters of mars it's like okay what is the concept there it's like oh they're on a space base and there are zombies it's like oh yeah that's a great concept midnight is the trap in a small enclosed space with a creature that wants to kill them and it can by like well not even that a creature with unspecified motives pretty much um and so in a sense that i assume the point you were gunning for in a sense there was like it's the execution not even the idea really like ideas are cool it's like you know well yeah um if i said like oh the doctor teleports to a world where there's no one around whenever it's dark or shadowed or whatever and there's like there's just creatures that roam the universe at that point you know someone's like isn't that just like pitch black and i should be like it's the point you can do any of these things a million times over it's always gonna be how you do them unfortunately people like this or should be like isn't it so fucking cool that like they teleport to lament is a world that's about to have a moon crash into it and they have to get on a train to be able to get to like their uh the escape vehicle before they lose too much time but then they do i should be like why is why is that what's so interesting about that i feel like we should listen to the rest of his point though well i mean the thing is i just chose one of what is that like three major events that happen in the Loki show so that must be one of them if he's gonna praise the entire season well i guess you might be praising the apocalypse i think he's about to praise the concepts even though well that's kind of what i'm getting at it's like oh wouldn't be crazy to throw our characters into a world that has a moon crashing into it and they have to escape within a time limit isn't that a cool idea just like i guess that sounds like we're promoting yeah hey hey hey yeah i think i can trigger you right now with this with this chat i just dug up go go for it i just did oh wait is it in the uh here it's in the wrong thing um oh that's that's like a milk that's like a i'm not triggered by that that's like a it's a mid to take the execution on loving monsters is fine it's just cringe like that's the problem i'd have to rewatch it to say the execution is fine but the the the problems that people have with that episode is that it's really cringe not that it's poorly written hmm and interesting let's just say this is totally not foreshadowing let's just say you had an episode where you know you have intelligent characters making copies of themselves to distract from potential enemies but then those copies make copies and then those copies eventually realize the copies exist and start trying to kill the copies while also the copies are doing that that sounds really interesting like you know what happens to the cycle does it ever get broken how do the characters deal with that what do we learn to value in a situation like that sounds like it could be really interesting or it could be really shit depending on who's writing it right it could be unfortunately practically any idea could get fucked up unfortunately too much of the audience don't do that just they don't distinguish it that way they'll just be like it was just really cool anyway next like right yeah better concepts the most recent run of dr who has made noble strides to tell stories with a wider range of people from all walks of life and has led to some of the more interesting fare in the run but overall it's just not really had an awful lot to say about these ideas or wider concepts um what does Loki have to say what does Loki had to say about its concepts because he's saying that that's the problem with dr who has the good concepts which doesn't say anything about them Loki doesn't really say they have that one conversation with Mobius but it was really shallow well we need something there's no free world he was like it's not really that simple anyway moving on yeah nice is that what we call exploration of like deep science fiction concepts or anything like that uh-huh yeah much if anything about the doctor or her companions the fam have been in more full series than some rtd and mothic characters that have had far more impact most of all the themes we used to deal with in years past led the characters and the audience to engrossing questions and satisfying answers Loki the series has taken this approach digging into the notions of time travel cause and effect the immutability of time the repeating cycles of history and in turn we explore belief and belonging in the characters do we is that what we do you really glossed over all of that because it doesn't do that i like that he doesn't explore these ideas the repeated cycles of history and he's referencing like the apocalypse is whatever i was like when does the show ever really have a conversation it's like isn't it fascinating how many times like man destroys itself or some horrible catastrophe arises through whatever like nobody ever talks about that my glorious purpose because the tba is my life and it's real because i believe it's real the only certainty for love how is that interesting yeah that's not it's like step one of the conversation that's like himself and his own ability to survive but agent mobius challenges that by being the perfect cog in a seemingly well oiled machine being part of well oiled machine oh very well oiled it's it's it's written with finesse yeah oh yes yes something has empowered mobius he believes that he was created by the timekeepers for a genuinely glorious purpose and i mean he's got a job to do as far as he's describing it that way i guess he's just trying to connect it to loki yeah it's not like a job it's just a job straw wit is a great counterweight to loki snarkiness and melodramatic edge even though mobius is more of an equal or even mentor to loki i can't help but feel warm seeing the neurotic genius with trouble making friends discover how much people matter through their companion mobius treats loki with respect and empathy but doesn't mince words or water down no he doesn't no he doesn't regularly shits all over him didn't he say like you lose all the fucking time isn't that embarrassing yeah mobius is a dick to loki all the time well he traps him in an infinite kicking ball simulator so yeah yeah that's that's episode five no fault literally you're being there with the words so he traps him in a bad memory with why am i forgetting his name sif sif keeps kneading him in the balls yeah and every time she leaves the room it resets and she starts to do it again until he's on his knees begging her to stop basically so he literally traps him in a balls being kicked in simu that's you weren't that wasn't like a joke no i i don't forgive you for thinking that's like a figurative but yeah but we're there that's another line from rick and morty where it's like um there's that episode where he's like your punishment will be to say we will sentence you to the the machine of unknowable doom which switches your conscious and unconscious conscious minds making your thoughts impossible to reason with and your dreams impossible to grasp and also each five seconds it stabs your balls like it's that but done on ironically i was really fucking annoying to watch the whole episode unfold with just our titular fucking hero just get his balls kicked in for most of it it's just like no look he would totally stand for that happening oh yeah he has access to his abilities as well in the military or at least the he has access to the ability to fucking walk how about that yeah or to like fight back yep or to walk away or run away or something persecution he doesn't skirt around like his actions or the chance to talk about the psychological reasons behind them no this was a wreck like i want to make this clear we will in two weeks from now um when you're you're tasked with turning Loki from a bad guy to a good guy you have to watch avengers and be like what do we have to count for the most it's like okay so the most damning part is either the 80 people he killed or the part where he seems to be thoroughly enjoying hideous torture on an innocent man we're gonna have to deal with those two because those two are really hard to reconcile when you're telling us he's a great guy and so they play the clip and he's like you're happy Loki but not because you're causing pain because you feel that people think of you as strong and that's that you're insecure still a bad guy it's pathetic they play this that's just an explanation for why he's a prick they're trying to recontextualize this moment to make it less malevolent he's like this is an insecure little boy trying to get the approval that he's always wanted from the people and that's all this is it's not it's not it's nothing to do with the pain it's nothing to do with torturing people okay it's nothing like that well it that means he doesn't care about doing those things to achieve his goals which is wrong uh Loki likes causing pain in avengers 2012 there are several examples of him really enjoying causing pain it's something he does it's unfortunate that you want to make him a hero strictly instead of a much more complicated character but if you set him on a journey of Thor 2 Ragnarok and Infinity War you might be able to get a little bit further along but if you can watch a movie not quite the same you are enjoying that did you enjoy hurting them he brings out the best in Loki the truth i don't enjoy hurting people also they're incredibly explicit he explains exactly what his core motivations are and how they've changed yeah make sure you very blatant oh yeah i do enjoy hurting people but i do enjoy being seen as strong even though he is fucking strong as shit no can't be in this show i don't enjoy it earnest and compelled by gloria's purpose within the tva mobius is the inverse of loki and has the one thing he's always wanted at the same time his life is i don't see how he's inverse of loki i still don't think that's been established at all to be honest with you i feel like the closest we got to understanding mobius as a character was right before he was pruned started to get interesting yeah he was a bit more of a drone up to that point the universe you know some things actually most things in history are kind of dumb and everything gets ruined eventually but the jet ski recurring joke is humorous but equally heartbreaking representing the secret humorous and equally heartbreaking if by it's not at all funny and it's not at all funny i agree or not at all humorous and not at all sad yeah i agree i guess he thinks that it's it's it's funny that he keeps wanting to go on his jet ski but simultaneously oh he's remembering what he used to know before he was taken by the tva or whatever it's like they didn't really work with that though did they really didn't don't even like the concept but their execution is still fucking woeful existence as forbidden it turns out maybe he and loki are not so different no that i respect i mean the lies you tell yourself only a trickster like a loki would be this well suited to saving people by showing them joy misty tricks you're like loki what that's loki that's our loki man that is that is only loki would be the one to get people out of these situations with joy it's like who are you talking about who is this let's say i cannot know what a fish is man live my entire life beyond it does you know where i go if i could go anywhere and wherever i had a life before the tva came along i mean i had a jet ski this is like the only meaningful thing that even happened in that episode and this is kind of i mean after having five you'd think you'd have more to show for it right this is like it like i identified this as what it was trying to do but that's it that's where it ends i just i recognize that it failed at what it was trying to do and i just think it's so basic it's like this is a man who's had his whole life his past life erased he's now realizing it and so he's like i'd like to know what that life is like wow that's like one plus one equals two in terms of complexity of your storytelling but like everybody would probably just go nuts over this such fucking good scene mobius and b15 rejects the corrupt leanings of the tva yeah like that turns some well intentions about company men to individuals willing to reject the purpose they've been given and serve themselves for once is fantastic is it is it just seems so fucking basic to me yeah i was just about to say the exact word basic but i mean that's what people clap at people's standards are so low it's like they i recognize what this is supposed to be that must be great that i recognized exactly what it is wow and you get the music playing and you get good actors to you know do their thing and man you could fool anybody and boy does it work and disney is becoming masterful at fooling people into feeling things that are incredibly cheap yeah they don't have to work very hard either because if i had described this as sort of fanfiction to you and i was like in my in my latest chapter i'm describing how one of the drones of a raced memory have uh been given like a glimpse of that memory and they're starting to realize this is all fakes like how do you think they would react i feel like it first few minutes of talking about it but like i guess they would they would have like a fucking existential crisis they would probably start to wonder how they got here who they are and they probably want to know more about themselves i guess you're like yeah that that's pretty reasonable i don't i don't know what why else anything else would happen but if that happens or phenomenal storytelling the show has touched on the pitfalls of policing the brutality of organized law enforcement as well as the genuine work that the brutality of organized law enforcement what the fuck are you talking about we'll see that guy push to unorganized law enforcement i just i i don't i don't like when they had like one example of one thing happening and then they expand that into like a whole thematic through line of what this show is commenting on from real life it's like oh fuck off they've barely said shit all about anything in this show rehabilitate rather than punish the terrible it's done it without it being an implicit mirror of any real-world events or references it just presents itself organic in the series narrative the doctor needs a nuanced organized baddie like this to up her game admittedly no just needs to be well written the idea that if you said like the solution for whitaker's doctor is to have an organized enemy just be like why couldn't it be a singular enemy why couldn't it be that there is no enemy and the enemy is within herself some kind of like arc for how she approaches the situation like why would you limit it that way all of those things could also do all of those things it was never very good at this either imagine if the silence or the caverion chapter were half as well realized and multi-layered as the tv a the tv a horribly realized they don't make any fucking sense we have more questions and answers and i just they they seem like a faction that was just invented for a tv show retroactively and see that's the interesting part for someone who makes this video if you were talk to a ball you'd be like uh and you say in a casual way like oh the silence were really well realized imagine they were as shit as the tv a he'd be like what you've got it backwards and you'd be like oh yeah why why have i got it backwards explain in detail why the tv is so well realized and the silence aren't and he's eventually going to have to say some stuff that could uh be referenced right i want to know why he thinks the tv are well constructed people we actually got to know again it's the sacred timeline absolutely not you have the wrong person low key is so cock sure of his plans for the future that even coming face to face was such an awesome character what he does well yeah he should be cock sure that's like his character yay isn't enough to stop his dire tribes his arrogance his ignorance as often is for many of us sometimes we feel right to things that we do not a place in our lives or a goal that we feel deserving of they travel through time tell me do you feel the right to other people's eyeballs like Loki does yeah i like that he's about to highlight as well the Loki points out the avengers should be the ones that are here and the tv are just like well no because they're fine you're not that's the response no doubt in the last ditch effort to stave off my ascent to god king we can feel confident in getting there because we have no way of knowing what may come to pass ignorance is truly bliss Loki's going to take everything he desires for the rest of his life you just because that in there i guess so because that yeah you just threw a platitude in there for whatever reason right but the tv a no better look the tv a doesn't just know your whole past we know your whole life how it's all meant to be they literally sit him down and show him how things are meant to be meant to be why does he believe it yeah he even says he doesn't believe it and then he just does then doesn't make sense by reframing the events of low he's horrendous existence in front of his own eyes that's not reframing it when he lived it he thought he was responsible for his mother's death at least in some way saying that like now he sees it's his mistakes he lived those mistakes versus watching them which one do you think has more impact on a person so stupid there's no repercussion in his own life for watching it on tv when he had to actually sit in his cell and be told that his mum had died it's a little bit different hate this analysis it lends new context to the events of the previous movies how many times would lowkey rethink his intentions if he knew his bad deeds and selfish attempts at power would lead him and ultimately everyone he loves to ruin lowkey is perfectly would do it again because he's lowkey and if he gets them closer to his gold he'd fucking do it again he would learn from that he'd say oh what did that lowkey do that he fucked up with okay i won't do that and i won't do that all right carrying on yeah i agree this is a character that when he's shown his plan didn't work he'd be like right plan b then yeah pretty much plan a but with tweaks show with a concept like this how can i how can i apply this knowledge to make the plan actually work next time exactly yeah instead of just flipping entirely how did that lowkey he wouldn't even say me how did that lowkey fuck up is he so dissuaded by the notion of fate and yet his entire arc has been met with things going awfully wrong for him again and again he's been defeated ridiculed humiliated tortured and ultimately murder you're showing this isn't what he's experienced isn't this this lowkey hasn't done those things yet but i guess he watched them did this lowkey has a fresh chance to take a different path but like the tv a say everything is supposed to happen one way the internal conflicts of taking an impossibly arrogant character and putting him up against his own dark predetermined destiny that is sacred and can never yeah that doesn't work does it because the character would be like fuck predetermined bullshit i'm doing it my way anyway and not in the sense not in the sense that he then becomes a good guy no no no in the sense that he retries the bad guy path just in a different way be wavered from is the perfect way to make him feel fresh again whereas dr who is running on fumes trying to reignite the magic of the rt d era with returning characters monsters and references to try and make it feel like it did in its golden age yes because the mcu doesn't rely on references no sir nope they definitely don't just take stuff that came before and then fucking try and recapture it and ruin it another not a thing that happens no couple that with shock twists everything is going to change and you have a sure i'm sorry did you not get that impression when they fucking showed the giant mansion thing behind the smoke monster it's like this is not behind the smoke monster there's a low key is an and then plot and and then and then and you know that there's gonna be a thing at the end of the show where they bait something and we're all gonna be like oh my god that's gonna play i can't wait to see the next thing i'd better keep watching for that next thing fire recipe for disaster what would have been more interesting is something that felt new for all time always remember this is after they were commanded to kill them um and they just stand there looking at the two loki's get freed they're just like yeah they're yeah the tba fight scenes are shit makes it feel like a season of dr who because they are the perfect antagonists in a dr who season guys what sorry i mean but you might have time okay i don't think that's like all right you did it six of a show that already deals with time travel the premise of loki would have been perfect for a dr who seasonal shakeup you remind me of them the time variance authority and the gods of asgard one of the same the oldest civilization decadent drunk with power blinded to the truth degenerate and rotten to the core those you underestimate will devour you the doctor believes finger waggling all right i wish you could have done that without all the audio popping between clips in two things she knows to be true the a some points in time are fixed and some are not therefore some must stay the way they are and some are liable to change this is a core conflict to several fantastic top two episodes and b the time lords were the greatest masters of time in the universe the tba challenges both of those notions if the tba were in the who challenges both of those notions like and that that they're actually the greatest masters of time right what a what a weird fighting measuring contest if you put the tba in the dr who universe imagine how much like justifying why you'd have you'd need as to why they let the doctor go and just fuck around with the secret timeline there is way too much to account for to just randomly spring the tba into doctor who universe not to mention that he's made two significant comparisons to two organizations that like well are they both the time lords in those comparisons the one with um collin baker and then of course the actual time lords uh with wrassel on and stuff um yeah basically he's already he's basically just described to us that the doctor who's done this already with their own sort of people that further sit in the world and randomly springing up a tba i just don't know why you would do that i feel like that would fuck with doctor who significantly i could so easily imagine the doctor arrogantly challenging them in their claims as low he did only to seemingly have it crushed down around her when they seem to be absolutely right what would it mean for the doctor to suddenly be presented you can't you can't do that i mean the fact that they introduced the tba fucked with the marvel universe significantly imagine how much it would fuck with doctor who with 60 years worth of story are they calling is he calling the tba absolutely right i guess he meant absolutely right i was about to have he meant absolutely right in the what they've claimed they can do or they claim that they are i guess they're not absolutely right but close enough in terms of what their abilities are okay notion that all points in time are fixed even if she can't sense them the time lord history and years of scientific research was supposedly wrong oh god can you imagine a pissed off the doctor who fans would be if they did this like you didn't make any choices it was all the way that we said it would go it's like oh it's it's bizarre that that is just sort of like not enough people are in an absolute uproar over that well he's excited about it as an idea it's like dude i don't like this this completely ruins everything that has come before this just so we're clear i i don't see how something so blatantly world destroying has gotten away with just not nobody caring the tba apparently no better that would surely shake her to a core what i hate this i'll destroy everything right yeah everything we are ready like you realize is notice to turn it into a joke the tba c infinity stones as paper weights would have been perfect to translate to dr who have the doctor refused to believe the tba could be more powerful and knowledgeable than the time lords only to have the rug pulled out from under her feet you guys know what power creep is i can't believe he's actually transposing the shitty ideas of loki on to like theoretical dr who episodes in a to try and fix dr who yeah he thinks it'll be better this is a sorry state word is this the power in the universe could they really be the all-powerful organization they appear to be what more is there to them what does it say about the universe and all the who stories previously if we're presented with an organization that believe all points in time must be fixed the tba could have been a whole season they could have been the kind of big bads that moffat hoped the silence were and they would have given the 13th doctor a problem no other doctor has faced before in quite such a way but that must have been a variant timeline because in our one we got the tba versus loki how do you fail so badly when all you have to do is touch it with a stick i gotta do is touch it with a stick i gotta do they like specifically don't that's the thing the fights are really shit yeah they they just specifically really bad yeah what you're with it oh and also the whole hiding out in apocalypses thing is brilliant no it's not no it doesn't make sense it doesn't make any sense at all why do you think it's brilliant you fucking simpleton yeah i swear to god every time you flush a shit down the toilet you marvel and awe had a technological engineering before you um just in case anybody is confused as to why it doesn't make sense to hide in apocalypses let's say that you are in pompe you know how like all the people are frozen in very specific places you know what i bet if loki went there and started messing with things those things wouldn't be frozen in exactly the same places and if they're not frozen in exactly the same places when people see them in the future they are going to be in different locations move differently react differently and then you go to the moon crashing into the planet though the the first one when they tested is pompe what they find out is that you cannot change real you cannot affect the future if ever recognize also about the moon one being present there and forcing anyone to move in any different direction making any technology doing a particular thing like you're gonna change how everything explodes and where all the pieces go and as soon as you create a timeline that is uh dissimilar to the sacred one they cannot coexist yeah and it provides you a place to temporarily hide out so that you yourself can do more things like they get saved from the moon crashing one and they got there because that was a that was an event where they shouldn't have been able to do all those things but they were allowed to and that facilitated them being able to be rescued oh yeah you're right they completely contradict this because by holding hands the TVA discovered them right before the apocalypse completes it doesn't make any sense at all yeah that's right which violate yeah it violates the rule that they set up the episode before that this show it was written by a 12 year old well no that's no it's 10 year old maybe nine another great example of that is the grenades that prune timelines to make sure we go back to the sacred one are used to open up timelines like uh that doesn't make any sense with how you explain that as well because like yeah well shut up the sacred timeline planned for the errors so that the errors could be removed from the talk about the i'm not gonna lie really anticlimatic the the robot reveal of the time lizards really was kind of hoping for maybe something there but uh well obviously they're puppets right oh yeah we'll find out in the finale or the real time was it well we might not because we've got to set up how they get a living oh yeah right fuck yeah well um i still think it's probably the most likely we're getting uh kang the conqueror if he's confirmed to be uh come in to wow he's an atman so yeah like there's a really good chance but we i just want to see that six episodes we can finally fucking explain exactly what the problem is once we have all of the because there's no way you're right yourself out of this one anymore this lady loki's competence original recipe loki skills as a detective and culminates skills as a detective oh no what's he got to say culminates funnyest scenes in the mcu as he heralds the coming of her oh yeah it's hilarious it's hilarious why would you even why is he bringing so for contests because jay is uh possibly not here this is when the doctors explained that you ain't saving anybody from pompeh because it's a fixed moment in time you don't fuck with those and then she basically like cries her eyes out saying it's so unfair and wrong and can't you save one person and uh it's a pretty good it's a pretty good moment i don't remember if the episode overall is pretty good i remember this weird fucking cgi rock monsters that distract the hell out of me but this is one of those scenes everyone always references i don't know why you're bringing this up side by side with loki i guess is it funny that loki treats it like a comedy while dr who is more of a tragedy i don't know i think most people treat pompeh as a tragedy but i feel like most people would treat that as a tragedy yeah most the show repeatedly uses time locations for fun asides the shaft loki's dexterity is a character that can be periods cosmic technological and fantasy did that mean anything to any of you no um it was words it can it's all speculative fiction is what he's saying it's it's everything that all at once loki fits in with lots of different things like yeah i mean when you have nothing to stick to for his character he can just be anything i guess uh that's role playing fantasy loki goes to different years isn't that all those people by the way got turned into got sent ailey off and got died a horrible depths just remember that oh this show is probably from in the in the house they saw i guess i don't recognize it i didn't i've not seen this before yeah i don't know if this is copyright so well well it's trailer i think that's the trailer is usually a little bit more lax but um we'll still be careful a better budget a year after he quit that's not fair i'm sorry it's not fair that's not fair to dr who that doesn't have marvel money dr whose whole appeal is that despite a low budget it's really impressive and engaging for a huge audience like that's like the surprise and besides doesn't it go like a bigger budget now than ever yeah a better budget is fucking huge well like that's a budget it looks it looks better than it's ever looked before who quit the show as well we're gonna see even more better than they've ever looked before the cinematography is iffy as fuck rest is frustrations with the budget limitations of who in a podcast interview with sitcom geeks he proclaimed a show that generates as much money as dr who should be getting more of it back frankly he compared to their budgets to that of gamer thrones and it's clear that moth it didn't understand why leading source of international revenue for the bbc one of its biggest exports next to top gear couldn't get the money to match the audience appetite it's a weird clip of moth out to use it really was yeah also i feel like as much as i'm not a fan of moth as writing like the the fact is like moth it didn't understand it's like he probably did he's just commenting on the fact that dr who was huge and it doesn't it has to work so much harder than something like gamer thrones in terms of um making it look like their budget isn't crippled granted lowkey is made by disney and they have all the money so i'm not going to ridicule dr who by beating it in the corner of the playground with the what the fuck's the point of this section then what's this point yeah the trust fund rich kids ivory backscratcher and i was going to buy that ivory backscratcher it's unfair to compare them i'll admit that but i also think dr who's half as easy to look at as lowkey the production design of the tv a headquarters as well as all the locations that are visited i don't understand why you bothered you literally you literally were like it's not fair to make this comparison but let's compare this yeah okay says have been amazing even when it's obvious that costs money this is disney bucks this is mcu disney bucks this is so unfair was it the look and mood of the world's more than make up for it i don't even like lament is no and lament is actually look pretty shitty if we're being honest with us so like it looks pretty crap apocalypse on lament is one the cubrick hand me downs in the tv a by the way do you like how none of the meteor none of the meteorites either hit lowkey or silvi nor yes train that is on a very specific predetermined and also um we're not going to comment on the how or the why for any of these aesthetics we're just going to say they're so nice to look at that's automatically just that's just better the shops looks great marvel has listened somewhat to the criticism of their titles looking flat and the result is a surefire step in the i will happily go back to the world of flat if we can get good writing yeah she's right oh my god people say avengers is flat i'm just like man it's still one of the best iterations avengers looks flat but i don't have the s**t cdr that we saw in black widow despite coming out nearly 10 years earlier yeah in the right direction the series has also been a lot easier to look at because it didn't just look better it's shot better than dr who i find the most recent season if something is shot better it looks better so that was a weird way to qualify it yeah it's not just looked it it doesn't just look better it's shot better when shot is a sub category of look it's just i don't know use way too many close-ups to tell the story i suspect this is because they want to get a cinematic look on tv wider lenses can expose some of the cheaper looking sets and cgi but if it means getting a clearer sense of the geography and space in the scene then i'll take it a little bit wider joke i feel like you should have had way better visuals when he said the sets look cheap he was like i i feel like we didn't really get that but okay we time no these little things tight on our characters too much takes a lot of the wonder out of the world i don't think that's the reason because they do it for exterior shots look i mean too i think dr who got a glossier finish when chivnell took over but the actual film language used to tell a story has gotten worse and it's not like the effects of the film language has gotten worse i just i feel like there's so much to unpack with that statement but he's probably not gonna do it please define so much better since the capaldi era that it's in any way worth the trade off dr who doesn't look bad but compared to most watercooler tv it's definitely fallen behind an international success for the bbc needs to keep up or risk its special effects becoming laughable like they infamously did oh don't use fucking star trek discovery as a good example people do love it i don't expect dr who to get the budget low key but it doesn't exactly help that this show is now out there doing the writing better why did you fucking call this section better budget yeah as well as the effects in a separate interview with den of geek motha asked what's dr who got to do except not just really compete but try and find ways to lead and what's really difficult about that is we don't have half as much money as anybody that's we don't have as much money no it's not it's just frustrating as well it's like so hard for us to compete when we don't have as much money and i'm just like i mean i just call me a simple man but i just feel like if you had better writers you wouldn't actually have to no that's how we spend our money on how much do you think might cost to make it's like exactly it's like one of my favorite episodes of talk to who and it's like one set this is tiny well i mean it's got a big cast to be fair well at that point though if we're talking like it's the cgi is very limited as well yeah it's like it's just low it's got to be low budget shots um i mean i wouldn't be surprised if it was commissioned as that kind of episode where they're like we need you to i think it was um it was um there was originally going to be a different episode in that slot which they eventually made as um as a um as a an audio play with david tenon and kathrin j and it's it's also a budget like light thing it's it's really cool though um as any one another good one i really miss the passion mothad for who my left ear is lonely grant the problem with writing a video on a series as it's coming out is that thing don't do it then yeah he's about to talk about whether or not rigidity grab will be good because he doesn't know because he doesn't see the fifth episode yet wow why didn't you wait i had titled this segment in the script hopefully a better use of richardy grant because doctor who had largely squandered his potentials the great intelligence at a time when matt smith's doctor desperately needed a concrete antagonist whether or not he was going to be a villain or ally the thought of a richardy grant loki was tantalizing to say the least and i was waiting week after week for what what don't you dare to spurge that crocodile why is it fished up i don't know what all that editing was but that's just yeah i'm i'm actually a little lost that was bad now look at this look at this outfit look at those trunks look at that expression look at kid loki look at uh wow that's very racist yeah wow how dare you parali rasha loki what the fuck is that fucking joke wait what the look at parli rasha loki boastful loki amazing okay and even crocodile loki look at his cute little alligator loki alligator names before the end when have you ever seen a crocodile that small that is a tiny that is a juvenile perhaps yeah it's not a fully grown beast crocodile after a fantastic fourth episode that answers questions and asks new ones with answers we didn't even need a post-credits scene but man oh man i was creaming my jeans at this that doesn't surprise me because that's just the audience now you get shown someone like that that storytelling it's like guys who forgot like telling stories is it's not to go look lots of different loki's win anyway tune in for next episode look ruined avengers tower in the background oh mark i'll have for you next week wait is that one oh yeah there is yeah cool yeah because remember the avengers unwittingly got these alternate versions of the avengers sent here to die horrible deaths yay loki helping end game so much but i think all of this extra uh reverse it's looking more likely that richie grump will be used in a more satisfying manner than his previous stints in doctor why does it look like that why does it look like that tell me why you said it looks like that's going to be the case it's also insane that he didn't wait until it came out to have this section actually written as this is why he's had he's been used better instead you just said i hope he's used better and i think he will be like oh that's great yeah that's a very good point it's just like oh looks like he's going to be used well why why would you say that it's so fucking strange why would you make a video this way who logan and star wars the man is the ultimate untapped british villain at this point use him and use him well marvel charles dance with just two episodes left i'm sat wondering where it's all going to go in a way that i haven't with dr who in years the show has used time travel to wonderous effect but never got skimped out on making us know it no it's one of it's maybe is it worse than i i is it worse than uh the tomorrow war um in terms of its time travel rule implementation so i'm not sure which is worse because tomorrow all basically just says this is how it works and it'll be a paradox if you do x and we're all sitting here like what about a b c d e f just like i'm not going to talk about that like oh this show is like i don't know it tries to create more rules that make even less sense it's kind of complicated i don't really know which one is worse yeah that's a toughy hmm okay it plays with a lot of similar themes to dr who but manages to be somehow a great low character study a great no a character study he calls this shit a character study if you wanted to just the reasoning is just like you get him to admit his character portraits throughout it's like a character study in that way it's like it's not about Loki though it's this guy i don't know steven write him to where he does it and also just been fresh thing through the neat marriage of the two the first female doctor was always going to be contentious no matter what happened as far as i'm concerned no you had a responsibility to not fuck it up for that reason it had to you have a responsibility because it's a woman to make it extra good yeah you say that if you write that bad specifically that's even worse because you're you're fucking up i don't know everyone's perception of whether or not a woman can be doctor who i guess um i find that so interesting how much more aggressive has he gotten about chibnall's writing as this video has progressed like in the opening he was like it's not for me you know and then by the end he's like you fucked it and you had a responsibility not to it's like oh god prove all the naysayers wrong and for the most part whitaker has stepped up to the mark but now her tenure is irreversibly associated with some of the laziest most ill thought out and inconsistent writing the show has ever had it's blood boiling to me that the doctor said whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa okay can we just talk about okay i was i know what we're talking about i'm getting his clips from inconsistent places right but can we talk about that for a second there okay so no watermark and this aspect is irreversibly associated with some of the laziest most oh my god different aspect ratio and a watermark right for one clip thoughtful out and inconsistent writing the show has ever had it's and then it cuts to a different aspect ratio but the watermark is still there in the corner tried to cut it but he didn't get it all the way and he forgot what the scene is interesting the first part whitaker has stepped up to the mark but now her tenure is irreversibly associated with some of the laziest most ill thought out and inconsistent writing the show has ever had it's blood boiling to me there's also a flashmate there's also a flash like a sort of a flash scene it's not even a frame it's not even one frame it's like a scene i would also want mentioned though i still would take this over the typical editing we get like at least oh yeah he's put an effort in at least some level of effort was shown yes i'll i'll take it irreversibly associated with some of the laziest like this is a mistake that slipped into good editing yes mm-hmm yes just i will read i will just play this trailer footage for 40 minutes writing the show has ever had it's blood boiling to me that the doctor said all of that bullshit in kablam and essentially protected the massive corporation over the individual lives of the workers there that was just baffling i just never understood what the fuck they were trying to achieve there with the especially the leaving him to die that's an interesting episode that's the problem how people use and exploit the system that's the problem fuck that noise they want us to be grateful that 10 percent of people get to work recognize that over 90 percent what about our futures because without i want every kablam man to open the order they've just was she gonna talk about how is he gonna talk about how she killed him i guess so we're always looking for good workers to join our management team both shows are here to stay for the foreseeable future so it looks like if you want to get your doc to fix and chibbers just isn't quite doing it for you then this variance in the timeline might be your best no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no interesting argument an antidote for disappointing and mediocre who lowkey with all of the heart even if there's no longer two what do you think either have you enjoyed to discuss things i'm super interested in listening to all good discussions it's not for the really good the algorithm it's no why in the comments below thank you there it is so hi guys matt here thank you for watching another full oh now you're pimping it again subscribe button and yeah this is the one this is the nice one he's got why is that logo so low in the patron's thing so he's got all this room on that left hand sidebar but like the top that is a weird choice actually i was sitting there like trying to think of why you would do that oh also the uh the names are leaking across on the side there yeah on twitter at full fat videos or on instagram at full underscore fat underscore videos a big personal thank you to our full fat tier patrons dr cheeky jacksmerick and syros on your ongoing support keeps the lights on all right so that was our first full fat video i'm baffling i'm not really sure why i'm just confused yeah i don't this point of comparison is weird to me and i don't know much about doctor who so i know enough to just be baffled throughout like it felt so forced and it seems to me that it's just he's a doctor who channel in a lot of ways you watch low keen he's like i like this and i think it should be doctor who i'm gonna make that the case now yeah because that's what it feels like it almost feels like bending over backwards to make the point that this is like doctor who when it otherwise has nothing really in common with the relation yeah i'm not at all convinced no i'm not convinced no no um this is a very very poor way to show similarities um i feel like and all of it all this is built under the i guess the underlying premise that he thinks doctor who that writing that's bad but low key's writing man that's some good stuff it's bizarre okay what is your opinion of his uh day of the doctor video title what is it uh the best anniversary special ever i just agree with the premise entirely i think it's the worst anniversary special other than dimensions in time which doesn't count so um that leads us to our next video yeah man the excitement's through the roof so we actually um i'm a good old big old fan of of mr rick and morty as is fringo and as is j me repost sorry you're you're relatively big into it yes no maybe yeah yeah i love me love me some rick and morty well um ragu i believe hadn't seen any but um specifically for this right we we had him watch the pilot and the second episode of season five so for those out there who like uh good old rick and morty it would seem our old friend captain midnight released a video called the disappointment of rick and morty's multiplicity which um as an episode of rick and morty made me laugh more than laughed in a long time with a lot of rick and morty episodes i was really really happy with i thought it was fantastic um for those who don't know the basic premise in the episode is that um rick is is and his family are all just having a chill day and they all die and and then a different rick and his family are alerted that their decoys have been killed and so like oh we gotta go our decoys have been killed and we spend a little bit of time with them until they are killed as well and then it cuts to another family who are like oh god our decoys have been killed and as the episode progresses we realize that whoever the original rick and morty family were they made several decoys and those decoys because they're so close to rick decided they would make decoys to protect themselves and so on and so on and so we don't know how many decoys there actually are and certain things start happening the further down the line of decoys you go and uh lots lots of realizations happen lots of questions about what things mean and by the end of the episode we connect back with what we can assume of the original family who are out in space but they're told oh our decoys got killed but you don't really know mm-hmm so much chat is shitting on the show i'm sad yeah some of chat are shitting on owns it's frustrating it's fine plenty of people here are gonna hate it let's see if they are bolstered by this video or not um so yeah this this video is about how bad that episode is i guess here we go that's the episodes to make it the disappointment of video about yeah like we're talking about rick and morty you have other choices yes like well i think that's probably one of the best episodes in the show's history just yeah that is yeah honestly like it's i really like this one like this idea i'd say top three i for me the top three are um story train uh this citadel and citadel yeah but citadel it's almost unfair because citadel is like just kind of it's like a movie that went well yo is brought to you by Skillshare okay so here's the next video i have yes it is there are no plans to cover rick and morty did you know what he puts me i guess i'm on the past 10 yeah yeah i said i had a piece and i left all right i gave all of the uh the intro for all the information of what you've uh seen what we've seen what we thought so you pretty much eddie able to jump in everybody's got all the contacts they need here's the thing i had no plans to cover rick and morty twice in a row that's just not usually how i do things i like jumping around from topic to topic and i figured that i'd be checking in with me look at that this is um this is not dead how close three heads haven't eaten he's like a demigod rags guys do you even watch demigod there's like your favorite content demigod content when are you setting your youtube channel into a percy jackson channel yeah um well based on that clip i feel like i should do that immediately i like jumping around from topic to topic and i figured that i'd be checking in with it later this season i had actually planned on doing a video on f9 which i thought was just sort of okay but something about this episode just made me want to talk about it more because i didn't think it was nearly as strong as the season premiere and i think it makes for a great contrast just for that reason in these two episodes i think you're able to see a lot of what works and what doesn't work in the show and that's what i want to talk about this is great i feel like this just as a standalone episode you could just show to people and it's an interesting kind of thing to just have you know sort of absorb yeah this week you guys we gotta hurry i just got back from walmart they're selling nintendo 3ds systems for 149 99 on sale that's another top contender for best episode that was a really weird yeah more uh yeah i think the captain midnight puts in just random clips oh yeah that's his yes you're right that is something he does he just why why i don't know he randomly cuts in clips he just does oh okay they don't even have necessarily anything to do with it outside of being the same ip that's like it yeah it's the same ip um ip that's what i was yeah let's forget as in um if i think he's i don't know like in the black panther one it was like clips of a black panther video game or something hey rags you want to do the dames of the two characters sitting between morty and and his mom you see him one of them is cold jar in and yeah i can see the one above it oh the pencil um yeah i think she gets the names i think good the names uh you might be able to guess one you might be able to guess both i don't think you'll get it i don't think you'll get one of them the the one on the okay the the green blob that's jarnathan that's good and the pencil is um hmm i it's a bit of a stretch um pencil vester yes really yeah oh that's what i figured you wouldn't get how did you get that i you know what as soon as you said john jonathan i was like yeah i was thinking penny but there was like a pencil i was like nah it's not enough but pencil as soon as you said it was a bit of a stretch as soon as you said it was a bit of a stretch i knew it i'm impressed so what was what was jarnathan's ghost in a jar ghost in a jar his name is ghost in a jar oh the one sitting next to beth is sleepy gary sleepy gary you could tell from his eyes he's quite sleepy yeah he's wearing his little hat he's just rags i feel like you get a lot out of this episode specifically i and this show is i i've only seen the two episodes in preparation for this efap and they were both pretty great i just love ghost in a jar why is he in a jar i guess he can't get out of the jar so despite being a ghost gloss is his greatest enemy i don't know anyway yeah random intercut clip let's hope he doesn't do too much of that so one thing i want to make clear right off the bat is this isn't going to be an angry rant about how terrible the episode is be angry is or be upset make statements stand by them there's things that i like about this episode like that it has one of the best intags the show has ever done yeah this one is fun yeah i know this one this one is this one is fun it's like its highest concept and it's cool but i just like the one where that where someone's friend is like i want to fuck your dad that's my favorite one i remember really liking the one where um what was what was it was um oh mr poopy butthole um when he was talking about how he was so it's that character name now but there's a character called mr poopy butthole i don't think i would ever guess mr poopy butthole yeah he uh oh actually no i'd like you to see mr poopy butthole so we'll leave it until you watch that episode oh you're not even gonna show me butthole i can't imagine what a character named mr poopy butthole must look like wow he doesn't look like a poopy butthole no not like the image on screen right now it's not that it was excruciating to watch or that none of the jokes landed it's just that it all felt so incredibly weightless one of them what what what well what i'm gonna be a qualifier for that when really rick and morty is just i i yeah let's let's just wait for qualification because i don't know what he's saying exactly one of the many decoy jerry's says early on to rick in the episode that he doesn't see any stakes here and for once jerry was absolutely right what i don't know hey i thought i mean there are definitely there are definitely stakes for the decoys everyone involved they could be destroyed they could die they could get and they don't even know if they are the real one like their total sense of self and place in the universe is wrong but the conversation is he's talking about how he can't believe the the target man came out of like a cryo chamber then he's like he's still thinking about that when everything else has happened like the stakes have been raised jerry i'm pretty sure that's what he says right i think so i can't remember what jerry says after that but then they get melted the episode which was basically an endless string of decoys of rick and the family getting killed over and over again by other decoys of rick and the family couldn't so that already feels like a serious reduction of uh what event so what i think is so fascinating about this episode in terms of writing is that they they have a very narrow and small view the family exists and they were killed they were decoys like oh okay so this is the real family and they killed oh wait so now at that point what's happened twice he's like oh shit so recognizing now anyone could be a decoy but then yeah our family deactivates a family and you're like oh so this is the family then because who who else would have control of a deactivating drones than uh than the real family and then another real family come in to deactivate the drones because he's not his deactivation is not working and then those two fight and then another family kills them so now we're just like fuck so the the whole proof of the deactivation thing is useless that wasn't actually going to tell us who the real family is which he pretty much puts on the whiteboard he's like this is all going to happen but this all got caused by the squids so if we can just kill the squids and then stop the squids like everything will stop and then of course find out that the squids are just them dressed up as squids at that point you realize that he makes that oh yeah it's really funny when you just uh it's really funny because you have to say really so like and the squid reveal oh sorry my point is that it's not just random bullshit like the whole they keep changing your perception of knowledge but it matches ricks as well as we're going through the episodes uh events yeah why why are people going dot dot dot and like i'm okay do you not see how funny this is it's a concept that sounds dumb like i guess maybe you have to see it to understand it i don't know absolutely it's the delivery in the situation and his yeah it it made me laugh it made me laugh funny the concept to be like oh yeah those decoys lol like there's not like us we're not decoys oh wait a minute shit what if we are decoy so this episode is just pulling the rug under the audience over and over again so funny so no it isn't really it only does a couple times i feel like it's you get into this it sets things up you watch them progress and then it's like you get the oof you know the rug the rug isn't being pulled over us any more than it is for rick we're like he's the second he realizes with the squids along with us like everything's off the table now it could be anything and to try and figure it out is going to be really that's when the montage happens soon after that and then we see all the degradated the degraded clones why it's annoying to say it's repetitive because once you get to the squids that's like the big reveal but then we also start exploring the idea of shitty decoys who knew that they were decoys when they were born yeah that's that's that's a totally different sort of dilemma to deal with compared to um compared to not knowing whether you're a decoy or not this thing i'm not i'm not pulling a you're not smart enough to get it fucking card but to describe every realization is the same thing over and over again i'd be like oh man i think you're missing the developments and so really well you don't have to say that someone isn't smart enough to get something to just say that they haven't got this thing well it'll make them immediately say like oh yes you're smarter than i am you got it and i didn't well unfortunately there is that whole oh you gotta have a high IQ to understand rick and morty but like rick and morty is a well written show i don't i guess it's annoying that that's been like sort of washed away because of that meme that this show is like well written i think there it is worthy of saying that it's just a reality that there are some jokes that are very i'm not saying this is necessarily one of them right but there are absolutely jokes that are very clever and well written that some people will not get if they are not smart enough to understand them or they just lack the current information at that moment they must feel like it's the relevant information to understand the joke that's also that's also a thing as well and i guess it also depends on like what you're going in what you want to see in a rick and morty episode like what are you looking for yeah that's the thing about rick and morty i could see anything like really that they do a lot of stuff really well the way i see it they had an idea and they ran it through for a 20 minute storyline of uh evolving our understanding of how just just how far this idea is gone and then they close it up at the end and so i was like so when you're gonna say like it was boring i'm like oh i'll just say it was entertaining you gotta do better than that okay it was uh it was repetitive i'll be like so it wasn't repetitive because they keep changing your understanding of how the decoys work and why they evolved and then rick's strategy yeah rick's strategy to defeat this problem keeps changing as the episode goes on and if you say like yeah it's the same result every time that they're probably decoys and that they get killed it's like huh it's a really limited view on how everything happens i don't know what else to say i don't know everything is the same in every other movie because they're always not decoys same thing man or are they you said it's left open in the end so what i mean is that the decoy story is over whether or not they were decoys or whatever it's gonna be on the viewer but that goes the same for all of rick and morty you never know exactly who we're dealing with all the time same universe i mean at this point we have no idea which universe they're in anymore we're not even fully sure if it's the same morty the only fix just seems to be rick and even then you can keep describing it that's right because rick's died and teleported to all these different universes and stuff constantly so yeah it's hard to say someone said you can keep describing it but it doesn't make it funny without seeing it okay but there are people saying that they saw it and they didn't like it yeah i don't know we were never gonna do anything for people who don't find it funny i don't know what what can i do for that i don't feel like i don't feel like the aim of this either is to describe an episode to you for you to then laugh it's described as written in a way that's much more complex and saying it's the same joke over and over again yeah like it's not it's not gonna be really possible to talk somebody into finding something funny but like when people say that it sucked or it was mediocre that's a little bit more annoying there's a lot of stuff that comes out of nowhere and it gets really wacky in ways that you definitely didn't see coming which i think is sort of like what they're definitely counting on and reasonably so they're constantly making excuses to keep yourself thinking you're correct can someone say efab being hypocritical what so the position from the start is that this episode is well written and the way we've defined that jokes can be well written you don't necessarily have to find them funny the jokes are layered in this they have the characters use different ways of solving problems and they have different results and they keep developing what you may have already assumed could be the end point of decoys but they go much further than simply having decoys so like what else can we do that's it you didn't find it funny that's totally fine i don't want to like there's plenty of jay didn't find spaceballs funny yeah i guess if it just ends it i didn't find it funny but then when you go further and say oh yeah but it's just the same joke over and over that's that's a statement that can actually be paid over yeah if you didn't find it funny that's one thing but if you then go further to make arguments for why you don't think it works yeah and those are totally up for it new the video's primary argument is there's no weight to the events when there are several like existential crises the the characters face and you can decide i don't care about that because nothing matters or something like that but at that point none of these episodes matter so i don't understand where you come in from how you're defining it for example the one wooden decoy that is jerry deciding that he's he wants to make it in real the real world or with the water and stuff so he wants to save all of that varnish for himself he's going to kill the ball and then he ends up with the worst fate out of every decoy in this whole story but you cannot care about that i don't know it's just going to be up to you at that point exactly um also i appreciate how um when the when we have the squid reveal it's actually also hinting that each progressive copy is getting worse because the squid disguise of the later um family that we first see is much worse than of course the squids we've been seeing up until this point which are presumably the earlier versions which would have had much better squid disguises because they didn't have the same level of degradation so it's a subtle little thing that hints at what happens later yeah and quite you see every time they repeat events there's variations like when he says just like west willed and he says don't fuck over there's just like ex-marketer he's like don't fuck him then she says oh it looks like a real family and he's like a like a i don't just fake a fake family or that he said stimulated family like the it's just elements that are changing because it's further down the line it's basically an endless string of decoys of rick and the family getting killed over and over again by other decoys of rick and the family couldn't possibly have any sense of stakes since one set of characters would die and then just get replaced by another in what became a very predict so that's something that happens in rick and morty well before this episode i don't know what that happened that's happened is he saying is he saying that it's emblematic of the problem i thought he was saying it's literal that we see these families and they die and then they die and then they die so it doesn't know as he's saying that this episode is a good episode to demonstrate the problem that already exists i thought is what i mean if that's um your issue there's not much rick and morty can do about that like if you define the stakes problem i don't think it's a problem and i think it's like a consistent through line of rick and morty nothing matters it's like then i think there's an infinite multiverse of ricks and morties there's literally a city of ricks like i don't know i don't know what i think rick and morty is quite deliberately a show that's destroyed i was going to make a video about this the rick and morty is quite deliberately a show that's destroyed its own stakes at least in terms of i i assume that was like the point was is it's nihilistic absurdism in a way yes i mean like i i've seen i've literally seen just two episodes i pretty clear that i i was under no illusion that that was kind of the idea that seemed kind of obvious to me the opening scene rick drunkenly decides to blow up earth yeah they pretty pretty clearly established that i feel like if uh the love potion episode didn't make it clear to people what this show is about like that was i feel like that was the point where it should have been clear oh wow all right this is like this is what we're going for yeah i um i guess i just uh so like if the criticism was like well why should i care if they know that they're just gonna die at any point i'd be like i don't think that's the appeal of rick and morty uh i don't think it ever has been so i yeah i don't know what else to say i'd just be like yeah that's not in rick and morty and if that's what you're looking for in rick and morty then i'm surprised i guess you want to go somewhere else for that kind of show predictable story now in the show's defense they had jerry say that it had no stakes on purpose obviously they know what they're doing and that line was meant to help lampshade the issue but to me all right no that's no no no lampshading would be that lampshading is better yeah yeah yeah so um this isn't an issue in rick and morty because this was already a thing well before this episode it's like you know some fucking great action movie saying this isn't very funny and you're like wow they're lampshading the lack of comedy and it's like well no not really it has to be an issue doesn't have to be funny exactly this is how i understand lampshading and it needs to actually be a problem that they couldn't be asked to fix like how do you have this storyline and also have stakes that the those two things can't coexist that's not the storyline you're not allowed to have this story i don't know what i'm meant to do with that that self-awareness only gets the show so far at the end of the day this episode of decoys killing other decoys feels like a great two to five minute concept stretched out to fit a full half hour it's 20 minutes yeah it's 20 minutes you're right it's actually less than that and and we got we got like a movie's worth of content out of it as far as i'm concerned the amount of places they went with this so quickly yeah why was one of these two minutes what the hell there's a lot of stuff that's going on and not a lot of time well that's rick and morty is really good at squeezing in a bunch of stuff in a very short amount of time we're like hillbilly spooky straw rick and their family are stringing up the current rick family it's getting us scared because they want to look pretty again is it summer or is it a bath it just pours oil over the straw wants to burn some struggle yeah it was the fact that the clockwork one shoots out a little that was the main feeling i couldn't shake when watching it one of the show's biggest strengths has always been just how unexpected its stories can become when the show is at its best an episode you love this episode unexpected but really wonky quality because one person a in person b in person c what did they expect it's like yeah it's going to be different for all of them subverting those expectations isn't necessarily good like it's a low-stake story about morty wanting a love potion can transform into a bleak dimension spanning adventure complete with croninburg monsters in just a few minutes it's yeah you mean kind of like how a simple thing about oh squids are hunting us turns into wait a minute these are all decoys and we're all trying to kill each other which then turns into an army of these demented decoys that have built a sanctuary to avoid the eddy decoys try to kill the ball i don't know so then i saw a callback lost fight what's the fucking concept so much because like there's all of these all of this like complex and intricate like stuff has formed and you can tell exactly how all of this like this fucking society formed all of these this fucking stuff evolved you can tell just from what it is exactly why it's all there like its own existence explains the story behind it in a way i guess that's like the big thing that works in favor of this is that it all follows like it makes a lot of sense you can't say it doesn't make sense it does its own worldbuilding just by being the story that it is like it inherently tells you the history of the world simply by telling the story what did you get it all lost together very clearly so what i got out of this was i got the concept within the first few minutes of rick has made decoys to defend himself against people who want to kill him but those decoys are so accurate that they have the exact same idea and then he describes it as an asimov cascade um and then my brain as the episode is running is trying to think of where that what the what is the end point what are the several end points of that and the episode keeps revealing them along with just standard strong jokes and then character fueled jokes and stuff stuff as simple as jerry trying to fucking hide in a fridge while i'm thinking about what all of this means and where it's all gonna go so yeah that's what i got out of it um like i don't know it's really disappointing to see criticism of rick and morty amount to i found it boring and repetitive like okay yeah i did it all i thought it was very well paced and dynamic and the stakes kept going up and up and you didn't know how big of an issue this was um i i was really engaged this is not a high bar for animation so first of all for you just said it's one of the best anime shows that we on right now he didn't say it's one of the best animated as in like the quality of animation yeah um secondly there's plenty of awesome animation in rick and morty i was defending the quality of the actual of the show from a presentation standpoint there aren't many shows that have this many assets and this much detail like all at once and everything moving rick and morty is very well animated for a television show it's it's animation to a high standard you may not think it's like pretty or that but it and it's not a frame by frame drawn animation it's not that kind of animation that's a different style yeah very clean and easy on the eyes this is a lot of good energy this is cringe stream now it's like i don't know chat it'd be a little bit is it cringe stream yeah this is cringe chat chat it'd be a little bit cringe but the reason why we have to say this is because people were saying that it's lame and stupid also it's like a weirdly popular thing to shittle over rick and morty it's weird saying it's overrated it's like i would say that it's overrated yeah at this point yeah maybe that doesn't fucking matter it true the standards that the the standards that the animation reaches okay if you think it's pretty or not because it's not even it's not do you think rick and morty is trying to be pretty no when you look at rick and morty do you think oh this is a show that wants to be aesthetically pleasing to your eyes i just like you're saying that with this pause screen is it wanna be pretty um but yeah maybe the szechuan source era that was when overrated in terms of just you see it talked about everywhere but still at that point it doesn't i i feel like that's just a distraction from having the conversation of whether or not the show is of a strong quality or not it's like it's overrated it's like okay but that's not really anything right now because like bio shock infinite was overrated it's also garbage the last of us was overrated it's also like i don't know it's better than it's better than bio shock infinite obviously but what i'm trying to say is like things can be overrated that doesn't tell you how good they are yeah certain things can be overrated but still be really great yeah yeah we need to we need to continue that arc now it's we're past the era of rick and morty's overrated and too popular it's like okay now we're back to can we talk about it as a show it's still going okay i still have some cool ideas and i worry that if this was done in live action it was some other tv show called you know ronk and monto that we'd all be talking about this in a very different way that's the name of our group chat it is the name of our group has done well over and over again i don't think this episode really had it instead once rick explains what's happening on a whiteboard what you see is basically exactly what you get there's no because it's after this point that we learn about the squids and the really shitty decoys and all that too yeah the squids being in on it changes the perception of all of these families because the idea that this is a circular problem of its own creation somehow that originally one rick got an idea about it and and then it just goes in a weird direction that i just didn't see coming and i thought was super interesting and entertaining to see how it would play out and what would happen yeah plus just to be clear it's full of jokes yeah so that helps that does help yeah dude is that a comment from chat that the fan base determines the quality of the show no fuck off someone someone sent me that and they said unfortunately rick and morty is bad it's like arguing my little pony is good the fan base determines the quality of the show absolutely i don't know if my little pony is bad or good no it could be great no sure i mean i hope but the fan base determining the quality of the show that's you must be new to effa i was gonna say they must be new that is the furthest thing from objective of our fucking good yeah i guess we gotta we can do the primer really quick if we have such a thing we should we should have like a a manifesto a manifesto of objectivity um so here on efap we're kind of we're we are advocates of objectivity in things being objective about criticism of media in terms of cause and effect and being consistent with its own rules stuff like that we try to do our best whenever we are using this kind of criticism to remove our personal biases and emotions from the equation so that hopefully we can really get to the quote unquote foundation of storytelling and to improve stories so that they do things like make sense um so that's kind of a general sort of view of kind of what we do and we tend to why we can say things like the winter soldier is really bad and stuff of that nature because we've got proceeds for that shit and we can prove it um we tend to avoid third party arguments for example this story is well written if you read this book well this story is bad because the majority of the fan base are cringe or this story is great because of the the effect it had in culture like those things don't come into it we're trying to look at them as isolated written as stories um so i find it really fucking strange that someone who watches eFap would say the fan base determines the quality of the show that is fascinating to me yeah because by the way you could say it's it's weird too that you said it's like arguing my little pony is good the fan base determines the quality of the show well by that reasoning my little pony is a really great show because that's insanely good so you kind of contradicted your own sentence there i'd avoid that in the future i just i just saw this look at this we were we remove our personal biases wow how can you find how can you not find this funny did we not explicitly say that we can't convince people whether it's funny or not yeah you're just gonna have to see it and what is i've made i've made my argument like three times as to why it's well written i don't know what else i can do well yeah the most the most we can do for you is to we're not going to be able to ever retroactively make you find it funny probably well in the same way probably do though is make you or help you or convince you is probably the best thing to convince you to appreciate what it was yeah a lot of things that i don't care for that i appreciate um in the same way we can't make you be moved by a character death or a particular climax in a drama we can explain how it's constructed and how it makes sense but it can't make you feel that if you don't feel it so that's just that's the whole subjective side i thought that we were clear on this um also mohler saying that people would agree it's good if it were live action i thought mohler gay said people give too many passes to anime wouldn't that pass extend to western animation and not live action so funnily enough western animation doesn't get anywhere near the passes that anime does really fucking frustrating actually not in fact anime i'd say it's bizarre how many passes anime seems to go secondly all of that's irrelevant because my point is that um it's rick and morty as well as making people despise this it's not what it is just the fucking label i'm sorry that the meme has taken root inside of your mind and it's controlling the way you think to a degree that's uh that's a shame i'm aware of the memes too and i watched two episodes and they were really good and i could explain why rags and we pretty useful metric here he had no reason to like or dislike rick and morty really any yeah i have yeah no investment whatsoever absolutely no reason for me to like it or dislike it i thought it was really good i like the i thought these two episodes are quite good by the way i've seen one episode of my little pony i thought it was pretty good actually but who knows uh but that's my stance on it but the fans are cringe right the fans are that's enough i want to see you go on rags reviews rags bro i have is that before i have no interest in watching more of my little pony a barone friend showed me one and i was like oh it's pretty good i see the appeal on this and then i never watched it again watch the whole thing i don't want to though why i don't want to appeal i just don't find it appealing really it's not my thing i'd rather watch other shows um by the way there are episodes rick and morty that myself jane fringy and like not that bigger fans are which like like the jokes went as this joke sin throughout rick and morty naturally that we're like oh that was a little bit that wasn't very well well done um or i think i still think that like even the worst episodes of rick and morty are above average for like writing um i'd have to remember what like i think we often default to the toilet episode right is one of the worst ones no i thought we default to the uh the heist one or the uh the avengers one that's funny because the heist one has the joke that everyone's referencing to this day the i don't care about your booze because i see what you cheer which is a great line um you know i i probably agree with you that there's still stuff to to pull out of them that i think is uh relatively strong writing wise that rick and morty has a decent um track record if not to to pretty fucking strong when you consider their best episodes of which rick and morty doesn't have a single episode where it's like man that was bad i don't think i've ever had a reaction to a rick and morty episode i was like oh that was just bad um maybe if i rewatch the show i might think the one way he fights god isn't it so yeah that one annoyed me a bad episode of television but it's like um if you like there's no way anyone's calling that anything lower than a six season four had the vat of acid episode um i'm assuming that's being said as like a point of compliment right people like vat of acid or people hate it i think they like it isn't another one that got an award not that that means it's good i just mean that didn't it did it get an award i don't remember i watched that one last night it hit me hard that that one part i think you anyway what you see is basically a dragon one is the worst and i've seen a lot of people say that and it's like dragon one is fine well if dragon one is fine at worst i could i can definitely see you against the worst rick and morty episode but not that it's a bad episode of television well maybe i mean there's gonna be a lot of people in chat right now kind of hate rick and morty um so you'll definitely see that argument i'd say um also what i like about the white board is he foreshadows the um the defective decoys but we have no idea what to expect and they go in the direction of they're made with materials that seem like more and more fundamental or or uh uh crude yeah like you know you see the ones with this this steel and like metal compared to maybe it wasn't more applicable to like xmark in the because westworld is like synthetic flesh or something um and then it goes down to wood and then clockwork and then straw and then they have the muppets one but that's obviously a fake out and stuff it's just i don't know i just think that's much more creative than uh they had to be get there's some funny comedy beats here and there like the creepy murder cabinet here and there the decoys made of wood but those aren't even really unexpected either because rick tells us that the copies of the copies will i don't so i'm confused now i'm sorry the copies of the copies will deteriorate therefore we're gonna get a spooky murder section in the woods with like it's fucking deranged oh come on you saw you totally saw that coming i feel like we can expand this to just i'm never surprised in rick and morty because it's a sci-fi fantasy show that anything can happen and they've said that many times over i'm never surprised okay i feel like you can you can not argue you can not argue that was the obvious place to take that no i don't think anybody fucking saw that coming um i think when he's getting dragged by the rick when we were watching it we were like oh no the defective clothes or whatever the decoys that have gone bad because you know that he's all like a fucked up looking rick i'm like if someone said ah see so you know what's happening i'd be like wait what's the problem know what's happening i was like yeah this was this was mentioned as a possibility and now we're seeing the fruits of that i don't see that as an issue we'll get really weird everything you need to know about this episode is told to us in the first few minutes and i feel like it never really tries to exceed those expectations i feel like that would be you could say that about a really well written piece of uh media too all the ground rule everything you need to know is told with you in the first few minutes and then you explore all of those concepts and you see where it goes and you could look back at what you've seen in the ah i see how it all links together um world's end is a story that does that um spoilers for anyone i haven't seen it the entire plot is summarized in like the first five minutes or something yeah and not to mention something like blink an episode where they can explain the mechanics of the the weeping angels within under 30 seconds that doesn't mean the episode now sucks yeah i don't understand why you even make that point and as rags just said i could see that being in a video essay as a point to compliment the the writing that you are told all the information you need to understand the entire story is delivered in the first few minutes and then the rest of the story playing out yeah i don't and especially with the 20 minute episode i don't see how that's a flaw in anyway yeah a couple minutes in a 20 that's the first 10 percent of you know thing that that's you know it's yeah does that make it the worst episode in the world no i would why i don't even why would you go why would you why do you do the thing they all do enough well i just don't even know it was it's like if i said oh this episode has characters interacting with characters we've never met before does that make it the worst episode no you'd be like why the fuck did you jump to that why was that even a possibility yeah calm down you jump pretty darn far relax bro explain this over a few episodes from season four but it does mean that this episode felt a little more limp than i would like in my last video i talked about the 70 episode pickup order that the show received in 2018 and how at the time it made me really worried that rick and morty would settle into mediocrity as they just churned out as many episodes as they could now i don't think that's been the case for many of the episodes since then there's been some stone cold classics like that of acid but this episode is sort of what i pictured that scenario looking like no no no it's not it so yeah i feel the opposite i'm like they took an idea and they thoroughly explored it and they don't have to do this again now it's really cool that they did that and i hope they do that with more stuff that's related to sci-fi and fantasy yeah this is actually really a great way to get people interested in more dare i say high concept science fiction and philosophy ideas you know i just noticed identity and all kinds of even clockwork rick has drool that's good right oh well the thing is like the 70 episode pick order means that they actually have a lot more freedom to explore different ideas because they guaranteed a certain number of seasons without cancellation so they don't have to play it as safe from a certain point of view like there's there's a lot of freedom that can come with that guarantee and i think they have taken advantage of that could you you know for however the quality may vary you can never really predict what's going to happen in an episode of rick and morty i mean in concept use his on point like it could happen you just need to prove to me that this is what an example of that would be yeah you could you could you know they could play it safe and get super lazy and complacent because they know that they have the show or they know fuck it we've got this show for x time let's go balls to the wall with the ideas let's get really crazy yeah i don't think that dan harmon and justin roland are the kind of creatives to go lazy because they know that they've got you know in the bag they're not g&d oh they could really they could really like what they do terrible it's still very recognizably rick and morty but for me at least there's a spark missing it kind of feels like a show on autopilot but a well-oiled show that still knows this is a show on autopilot i know right like it's like oh maybe maybe that is apparently this is the disappointing episode that you've seen you've seen the disappoint one right so think of what the good is gonna be this is the disappointing one yeah he's like is this a general consensus or is it just him um this is going to 50% like well maybe maybe it's that means it's divisive that maybe there's people out there who think it is boring that some people think it's great i guess that's the point where it's like tlj of rick and morty i guess and this time we're on the other team backwards and forwards and can deliver some solid punch lines but it just doesn't have that element of surprise that the best episodes do i mean um there's not much you can do with that right like if you're saying he wasn't surprised by it yeah i was like and like he thinks that what makes a good episode of rick and morty is it being surprising i'm like i guess he set up his standard which was him having a subjective reaction to the episode he's like it didn't meet that standard for me and he's like uh then he's fine yeah he met he made a video that by his own standards is consistent i mean how many times has this show shown us something like rick's star fox hologram even he he he literally says literally calls it that fall back yeah and is that not something he should do if it's a tool he has yeah it feels weird to point that out when the episode literally has a line for it i don't know if he's accounting for that or not i don't know it's it's like a reference i didn't all right even with the show acknowledging that what is it isn't for um all i know is he said is this he says season four star fox boss callback so i can't remember which episode of season four it is i don't remember it at all something like the final episode i i slept through most of that could have been the god one it could have been the those that's weird you both just like said the two episodes that i was thinking it could be and it can't be in both of them chat do you know which episode it was it was the planet episode is other god one that's a god one god one what was he using it for um was it battling god i don't remember but he just fought god remember like just as a person i i don't remember even with the acknowledging that it still felt a bit like a retread now am i saying so it's weird to call it a retread when it's used in a different context like would it be a retread to use his portal gun all the time and if he's like well no he needs it for what he's doing i'd be like hmm seems like i guess he just wanted a different way of rick to attack the decoys would be more interesting i guess i don't know it's kind of it's just kind of strange i think that that's what the rest of season five is going to be doomed to be i mean well why would why would what example be addictive the whole thing no like i said i really liked last week's premiere mr nimbus and even what they did with jessica felt fresh and interesting but this was a bump in the road at least from my perspective i know the episode has its diehard fans and i have seen a lot of positive reviews but when you describe myself as a diehard fan i just thought it was well written and i enjoyed it i'm a diehard fan of this episode i thought it was fucking excellent i just there's there's a level of irrationality that can come with the description and i'd just be like there are things i can feel that way about but this i don't know it just it felt very um i could tell exactly what was impressing me if you know what i mean you feel very rational right now more certainly not irrational that would be they're bad well you're good but i just got impressed once this episode reveals its gimmick there's almost nothing left to it i say almost because that colony of wooden smith family decoys was definitely a highlight jerry has suffered a lot through the years but ventriloquist dummy jerry definitely hasn't beat as the end tag shows us his escape after he left many other decoys to die it starts out peacefully enough before descending into an absolute nightmare as jerry is dragged through centuries of history seeing civilizations rise and fall and getting food thrown at him by alien cowboys and alien romans ultimately making his fate so much worse than those that he let die in the elevator it's a perfect rick and morty sequence with the show signature blend of comedy and dark sci-fi dread and where most of the episode felt really bloated for how simple and straightforward its concept was the end tag gave us a much briefer glimpse into a more straightforward i'm not i'm not on board with that description i feel he's taken care of a lot for us this episode because he just described what's so great about the end tag well we've already described what was so great about the episode so i feel like the job's done the whole episode's great like we did it yeah mario oh and i was also a fan of mr always wants to be hunted i'm usually a sucker for those really goofy over the top justin roland characters and he was definitely no exception what hey a relevant clip this moment was so fucking great i just i just i'm flowed by the were you relevant or whatever you said it's the better humor here and there were you significant there you go a bit that didn't quite land for me though was the interdimensional cable segment i definitely enjoyed this the first time i mean it's one so for reference rags in the conventional cable the two episodes they have where they basically just watch commercials and they're all absurd like alien ones that was one you saw one ad it's a reference to intimate dimensional cable and it's a obviously a trick to convince us for a second that we're not actually doing the whole decoys thing and then we go back into it and um i i the reason i like that joke right because it starts out with when wolf and you see the time traveling wolf and you're like so that's the premise the wolf just goes through time and then it is Dracula and they have their chat and then they have a conversation about it what what that feels as though it's a real program that happened they're like i feel like they really delved into like they kind of ruined it when they went with Dracula like i feel like they should have focused on the when wolf you know it just felt like a real conversation that would have happened about this absurd fucking concept it's you know it's funny as well i could hear i could hear characters in rick and morty having the conversation that we're having now about that yes i could hear i could hear your delivery coming out of a rick and morty character there that's why it's uh it's a lot of it can be very very relatable in a way and a lot of the stuff they say yeah and they did this back in season one but honestly i thought it was already getting a little stale for me in season two and while the segment here when wolf wasn't terrible or anything it kind of felt like the writers attempting to fill time in an episode that was funny um this is so much more difficult to judge because it's a comedy thing but like so our argument is that um it's engaging because it's relatable and it's a an amusing concept the where switch to when as morty points out it's just like and then it's just run on for a couple of seconds and then we see them commenting on it his argument is uh but what did he say it was the attempting to fill time in an effort it's attempting to fill time so that was a bit too thin on concy was so quick that i never would have even thought that yeah it was really quick and i would i definitely wouldn't say that this is an episode that has a thin concept i think that this concept is very interesting and it's really nice to see it explored to such a uh degree as this to see it go that far at mola there are no stakes in this episode it's just filler people realize early on the real rick and morty will be fine by the end uh on next week just like family guy next week everything is fine true you're looking for stakes don't watch rick and morty yeah i i just i've never watched rick and morty episode where i thought either rick or morty would permanently die i've never had that expectation for all the episodes in the show called rick and morty i mean you know it's not impossible for protagonists to die but um it's not it's not really about that it's just about this the the way the show works the insane levels of like as time travel interdimensional travel all kinds of space travel clones decoys machines of any kind or monsters and aliens and stuff i go the idea that they could be killed and then they just announced the show's over i'd be like oh shit okay wow okay yeah i guess they that was it that's all the stories they wanted to tell um because i'm not in this show because i am very concerned about whether or not these two will live and i'm also in it for the funnies and then the commentary and stuff concepts and ideas i know a lot of people love these and i have in the past too but at a certain point i think they need to retire the concept and just i feel like you'd be you'd be fine with this point if it was interdimensional cable three i would understand it but it was one ad that was it it was sure i like a little gag that they were doing even then like i i don't i can't say i agree with this because it's such a rich concept like you could have an entire show that was just like these fucking sketches that was supposed to be like ideas for tv from yeah tv from other dimensions right you could have an entire show based on that premise um but that's the kind of what i'm gonna i could you could understand in making the argument then though right like compared to one just one example in an episode and he's like oh this is so tired like really even the expressed appreciation for the when wolf concept but he's like nah it's boring we've done too much now it's like oh that's that feels really strange also they not colored rick properly there what you mean is uh the back of his coat should be white it shouldn't be the color of the couch right no no look about i think that is normally the inside of his coat's color is it just happens to be the couch color it oh they are very close i thought that his the inside was white um could be wrong let's have a look next time we see it yeah next time stop going that well after a certain point you just hid diminishing returns i should probably bring up the ending but see that's just an idea you've not actually proven it's happened you just said like we all know there's diminishing returns when you do the same thing over and over again moving on it's like it's not really true i mean well you know what happened what the episodes do are we is it is it the same idea over and over again if you keep changing the sketch it's a sketch show just inevitably going to fail if you uh keep doing sketches or is it going to fail because you keep doing the same sketch exactly and so i think it's really unfair to say that when wolf is just like two brothers who's like it's not though oh he's inside of his coat is kind of green ish yeah all right end of the episode two which i found pretty disappointing not the intact with wooden jerry just like the actual ending of the decoy story we see yet another version of the family who i assume are supposed to be the versions that we normally follow as they finally get the news that your assumptions don't matter that's kind of the point yeah it is weird to be someone who's consumed so much rick and morty to hear someone say like we don't even know if this is the real rick and that's a problem i'd be like really yeah i like i said i've only seen two episodes and i think i know exactly the kind of attitude you need to have to watch this show it's very it is very clear and unabashed about the kinds of concepts and ideas and tone that it's trying to set i mean you you remember rags in the pilot episode the joke don't think about it that's kind of like one of the through lines of the whole show don't think about it because the more that you do the more terrifying it becomes and also it doesn't matter absolutely someone's going to say well you just have to i know i know yeah i know i know as soon as i stand your brain off you won't get as much of the value out of the stories i was going to say that like if you turn your brain off you're like why why would that's well that's that's the reason why i like don't think about it in this context because it's not about turning your brain off it's the idea that like any preconceived notions you have about where these characters ought to be or who they ought to be like these assumptions are just irrelevant in the in the grand scheme of things this is an infinity like multiple dimensions yeah rick is telling morty don't think about it gotta gotta bring bring bring people back because i the mistakes these are gonna be made it's like that's lampshading so the difference here isn't that we're highlighting a contradiction and thus saying don't think about it they're actually highlighting a reality and saying don't think about it yeah so this is a very significant difference and i believe that everyone in chat can absolutely tell the difference you can do it i hope so i don't believe that everyone in chat everyone can i believe in all of you you can do it you can do it we believe in you um and yeah so just again bring it back to his point where he's just like the main family's probably still fine after all of this be like you don't even know but you never you never knew anyway it doesn't matter it doesn't matter man imagine not knowing that we normally follow as they finally get the news that the decoy family has been destroyed making it feel like everything we've seen up to that point really see oh it's actually oh sorry i'm just appreciating something more that ending point is the first time that rick has been notified that his decoy is destroyed so he's all the way back at the beginning of the episode that rick in terms of the progress of understanding the situation it's why it's even yeah and greater on its own as a sort of send-off and that's why it's the whole don't think about it none of it matters and if someone said like oh you're trying to ignore a contradiction i'd be like name the contradiction go there is yeah exactly what is the contradiction the point is that if you're getting attached to the idea of oh which rick is this rich morty in which family you we already have no idea and it doesn't matter because this is an infinite universe of infinite ricks and infinite morties i think infinite possibilities there's a reason we haven't heard the word c137 in a while and i think that's because they're trying to move away from it being a consistent set of characters i think uh i think the squirrels should have been the big giveaway like that completely threw people off they're like oh wait they've packed up a universe again oh shit it's like yeah oh shit you have no idea where we are now and you're never gonna know yeah what would be the definitive thing about this is if he was in call right now and he said yeah so probably our rick our multi hour summer they're all fine they're like our summer is fine is she you think of a different episode that might just change the episode he's complimented by the way in this episode his video our summer's fine huh i was i'm pretty sure we have no summer or we know for sure and even we don't know this is we're probably still with the same rick and the same morty but we don't know that i don't think i don't think it's um i don't think that i'm not sure that i would even be confident in saying that justin roland and dan harmann have decided whether or not this is the same rick or the same rick morty oh yeah sure i i guess it's just that um i'd be given a lot less reason to believe that we're not following the same pair of like the same titular pair but even that could be a false assumption and it doesn't matter either way so i don't think that that i don't think that that matters to dan harmann and justin roland so they're not confirming or denying it and they don't yeah that's totally fine because it still works yeah yeah but it's like when people say i think we're still um we're still following the same rick and morty or when people say i think we're following a different rick and morty i think my answer is there is not an answer to that they don't care it feels to me that you don't know part of that should have been explained through the fact that they've been on so many adventures we haven't seen yep i look at all the memories that morty's had erased there's like thousands of them there's far more episodes we haven't seen than we have seen so we have no fucking clue what's going on really you have to take it all as it comes and um yeah this is a fun idea they've hey norsee news i wasn't gonna laugh at that and then you didn't mean anything at all there could not have been any less stakes in this episode and the usual status quo of the show wasn't even remotely threatened in any way which never i guess what i'm finding annoying is that you said that there were no stakes but there were stakes for the decoys yeah true but secondly you know he's like oh there's no real threat to the status code you remember the biggest threat to the status quo it rick goes to prison and it's undone in one episode yeah the status quo is like the normal that is the show with few exceptions very few i'm trying to think of more than one well the the finale with bird phoenix person yeah that's true but that was season that was the same episode though as um the one that we're talking about with prison resetting it yeah may not be the biggest deal ever in a comedy but for a show that often thrives on well written conflict and being able to tease the audience with evolving storylines and tell me how this isn't a well written conflict i don't understand why rick is literally fighting his own replicated intelligence yeah yeah why is that not great character conflict that's generating a whole storyline i don't see why this is excluded yeah this is just i didn't like it yep and that's totally fine that's totally fine yeah just you're just like i'm disappointed because i didn't like it what was that jay you do a whole movie about him as a mom as k that's great yeah someone was saying to look inside the jacket it is the same color as the character yeah oh yeah it is there too you can see it yep all right characters just didn't manage it i keep coming back to this but it really felt more like a five minute side story that was just expanded man can you think of any rick and morty episodes that are like an expanded five minute idea story thing like nah there's totally not something they always do didn't he say that one of the best episodes was the um total wrickle isn't that the same thing that is a five minute it's it is it's it's locked in the house who are the paris if you're being reductive but like it's a really cool idea as well i love total wrickle this thing is all of these episodes could also like all of these episodes could be a five minute thing they could also be a feature film or a series yeah like why are we saying that these ideas are so limited in scope that we can't of course the story train there was no fucking consequence for any of that that's right and it's one of the best episodes of the show absolutely what are my favorite episodes of the show the punchline is that it's a fucking toy except yeah yeah i just don't get this i feel like you didn't enjoy the episode you're just looking to try and say why but you haven't thought about what the other episodes have done which is this already i feel like you're trying to figure out why you didn't enjoy it but you haven't actually figured it out yeah yeah i think that's a pretty apps description but you gotta make a video on it look i guess i'll just i guess i'll take nine minutes to say i just i really didn't like this episode and very mildly sort of elaborate on why but even then it's just uh i'm gonna lie a lot of my videos start out with i didn't like this let me try and figure out why but i feel like yeah i mean that's the scripting process right you type away and over and over and over again you're like there it is i got it it's that that's what i feel like if i'm gonna talk to people about it like go out of my way to make a video and why i didn't like something i would have some level of grasp as to why i didn't like it and being able to explain those reasons you know like i want to convince people that how i felt was you know valid whatever you well yeah i mean he's his points are that it's like too repetitive there's no stakes that it's indicative of the show becoming like iterative but i just feel like none of these points actually hold up when you consider what they do in the episode and you consider past episodes that are also considered great that fulfill the same requirements for what he's saying is flawed like like citadel is all fucking i don't know what i'm saying about citadel i agree so it's got callbacks in it and it's like let's say that we never get another episode that relates to that storyline i can and you know they complete the series at eight seasons or whatever i just be like so the citadel episode nothing comes of that that means there's no stakes in it that means it's shit it you know because like i don't appreciate the citadel for how it pushes the rick and morty world story forward i appreciate it because it's fucking really well written as a short story like an anthology of all this this world and how it's functioning as a result of everything that happened with rick and morty in the prior season yeah um yeah and i guess i feel the same way about this episode i'm appreciating this episode for the writing within it not for what it means to other episodes the fun thing is the rick the citadel of ricks is if you want to have stakes in rick and morty it's where you put them because it is as far as we know there's only one citadel of ricks it does have and it does have permanent consequences there and like if you're going to establish a as well if you're going to establish a permanent character in the citadel of ricks you have to distinguish them from other ricks and other morties which means that you can you always know which one of them you're following yeah which they do just made me think about something interesting if um if one of the issues that he has here is that the story is disconnected from mainline rick and mainline morty wouldn't this also apply to citadel because it has nothing to do with mainline rick and morty well that's kind of uh what my point was is if if no consequence of the citadel episode comes into the show does that make that episode bad now does that make it crap which is absurd yeah because that's not what you appreciate about that show this episode this episode well it might already appreciate about that episode to be fair we don't know it's not but the thing is um this episode clearly has very little potential to uh to impact the rest of the show it's like it's very clearly it's own self-contained story yeah with no uh lasting repercussions it's a story that resets itself but one could say that about the citadel episode for all we know no yes oh as in um this the citadel episode very clearly like ends with uh evil morty grabbing loads of power yeah in the citadel it doesn't have anything to do with rick and morty it has a permanent consequence within the world yeah this has a permanent consequence in the world as well though but you know all the all of the uh the clones kill each other yeah what you can cross wires on here is that you assume you will see the consequences of one episode over the other one we can see for both one either as in the consequence of this episode yeah as in yeah okay i see you could like have dead clones showing up in future episodes next episode begins with them landing and they see all the corpses around the house and they're like what the fuck is going on and then rick goes oh no this episode introduced a load of clones and then got rid of them whereas the um state of play at the beginning of the morty episode of the morty of the citadel episode is fundamentally different to the you say that but that is up to the writer for all we know half the clones are dead or decoys rather that's it's really up to them and that's kind of where i'm at like why aren't we judging them as they're written rather than what their consequences are going to be outside of their episodes let's do a premiere tonight what there's a new one premiering tonight tomorrow right all right well i guess today for you guys but it's it's one a.m tonight i'm calling it no it'll be tomorrow it'll be tomorrow for you guys in the uk because rick and morty premieres like super late at night in america damn so it's still tomorrow for the real fans i need a graph into an entire episode and after some consequential stuff actually did happen last week i don't know i thought that was kind of a bummer is this video some damning statement on the state of rick and morty no but i he keeps doing that but yeah it's because his no reaction is going to be it's just funny that that style of script writing we like am i this absurd position that i don't have no but but yeah it's like an easier way to get a criticism in i guess to to present the crazy one and be like it's not that it's this instead of just saying it's this less crazy position yeah but i did find this episode to be a pretty big step down and i hope the rest of season is able to rise above it i showed oh man oh god oh i don't have to be completely consistent to be great oh hello a lot of my favorite shows definitely aren't but i really hope wait a minute wait what are you doing he said well so so he just said buffy isn't consistent which is true but not uh the footage he showed us all of season three which is one of the most consistent seasons yeah be careful man there's more of a bump in the road than a sign that the show's best days are behind it i think yeah i just feel the complete reverse i feel like this was very yeah i feel like when we watched this i was like oh are we in for like a really good season i hope so well yeah i think uh because the pilot that not the pilot the season premiere was was awesome and so when this came out was awesome too it's like oh shit and then uh the the most recent episode was really cool too yeah so it's like huh this is a trend like the trend i've seen the preview for the fourth episode and i thought it was funny all right exciting tour that call and i'm really looking forward to seeing what else they have in store but this episode was not what i was hoping for after such a promising opening but i want to know i well i want to know what you guys think i don't know what you guys think yeah oh what do you think oh oh yeah there it is was mr always wants to be haunted funny enough that you can have the structure is always asked two or three questions and then tell them to comment like that is the structure what do you guys think x question y question put them in the comment section below and then it's always just they don't read any of it ever it just feels awkward i i know this is a bit pedantic but comment section below thanks i know what's below it's always below yeah but that's like every one side of this that's where it was i was looking but i couldn't i couldn't find it well what do you say about holy age stuff what if youtube updates that way yeah what yeah what if that is that is well no that's you're right that makes me more correct because if you say the comment section it could be anywhere if you say it's below and they put it above the video your video has been going about the video but i think it might go to the well hey youtube is the company who would do that they would put the comments up top and you have to scroll down this is video this is precedent because they used to say make sure to rate the video right and that's yeah right and now it's like five stars yeah well it used to be a click above subscribe as well the subscribe yes that's right yeah it used to be in the sidebar now there are a bunch of orphan videos people oh i don't know anyone oh i remember as well the link to your channel used to be above your video and it used to be able to like if you were like a youtube partner or something some kind of um you know bigger than my youtube channel was in like two thousand you used to be able to get um like a custom icon instead of your uh instead of just the text of your channel name i fucking wanted one of those so bad well to completely customize the layout of your of your channel at that one point yeah absolutely you've lost uh you have definitely lost control of a lot of stuff you can do yeah i want to look at a um a 2009 youtube channel because those were the that was the uh i feel like those were more limited than they are now but one good thing is that golden age of a sort you know each um each channel had its own individual search bar that you could um search for channel your videos by channel on the channel channel channel it's one of those things we wonder why like why would you remove this yeah why would you take that away why couldn't you just leave it so that we could enjoy this feature that you have um well what did you do it was the episode good or was it bad leave your comment in the chat below or to the side depending on what format you're on right now um also uh someone said fine it is well written and objectively good but some of us have seen this a million times and don't find it fun it's just okay there are no stakes in this episode it was filler i feel like we've covered all that hard i i don't you've seen this idea why are you watching rick and morty no no i was gonna say just rewind the stream about a half hour hour or whatever we've answered all of that so it's uh you're all right you'll be taken care of i remember everyone you should channel stuff like that i do no i don't i do yeah i do god damn we all just get married i'm disgustingly old or didn't think the main story itself was great a new season of rick and morty always brings out really passionate responses and maybe that's you maybe you're happy with the response to this video because it's got like a 50-50 dislike ratio oh dear i don't know i just i don't feel like i i had to passionately rant about how wrong he was i'm very i'm just bored by his reasoning just like yeah you didn't really have much of an argument and i feel like our arguments are pretty strong for why the episode is much more clever than simply presenting hey what if rick made a decoy lol and that's about it that's all we can really do front end interesting i'm reading the comments um interesting to see how divided people's opinions are on the episode 100% this episode was just filler yes it was good fun to watch and explore the concepts of the decoy family's waging war so like one of the people just like yeah it's like what i feel like these are people who think this is the simpsons just filler like is every single episode just filler i feel like when an episode doesn't push forward your ongoing narrative then it's not a then it's then it's gets to be called filler like i fucking hate that as you it's annoying it's like they're being told that i guess that's yeah that's why it's frustrating is we're being told that you can't do a non-serialized tv show that's not allowed that's filler it's all filler if you do that because it never advances the plot you gotta be way more specific because um this goes for um so many tv shows but uh uh buffy's mainline plots don't usually kick in until round episode seven of every season and so is it suggests that you avoid the first six of every season that it's like as if nothing important is happening or entertaining or interesting but that's the thing with a well-plotted out series of television in the early episodes you can't tell like let's say okay let's say there is an overarching um series of like story within like 10 episodes of television right and um let's say that it's fair to call all of the ones that don't progress that overarching plot filler in the early start of this in the early part of the season you can't fucking tell which one's a filler because you have no idea what's being set up with the events that are going around you know like the fucking finale of the season could depend on that being millions of dead rick and morty clones all over the country like yeah and that could be the season off they deal with that the the governments of the world are upset there's a bazillion ricks yeah the president is clearly made aware of all the ricks and chants clones fighting each other who knows what'll happen this efab was filler oh no you're well did this progress the uh overarching story of efab oh definitely a mama seal yeah it had to right because they found out we watched low key in black widow and uh everything else they already knew that already but they knew it for sure now and yeah I don't know it just feels like a useless attribute for a thing that it makes it good or bad depending on whether it's filler or are they simply saying I don't care about it because it's filler at that point nothing we can okay all right most of rick and morty is not for you then most of the show here's the thing if um if every rick and morty episode forever from now on was there didn't progress an overarching plot that would be fine by me I'd still be totally on board with watching it yeah oh fuck yes the thing I am I would be um I do kind of miss there being a status quo that changes occasionally in rick and morty like I do like that aspect of it and I didn't feel like we got much of that in season four either it seemed deliberate um like they dipped the turn well remember not see not see morty just wanted to go on a classic rick and morty adventures yeah and um this episode actually this is something that should have been in his analysis I think where um you have illusions to space bath to uh Beth's mother obviously rick's wife slash girlfriend I can't remember if they were married um they they they basically mention them and then it's cut off and it's like why do you think they're doing that those things progress the overall story as as is being pointed out and this episode is explicitly like with I just don't think rick and morty ever really cared to to evolve that and um I think we've talked about this before but I got that sense in community as well another Dan Harmon work yeah where the second thing started to progress in a way that changes the status quo it starts to crumble and he doesn't like like I don't know if he either he doesn't handle it well or he doesn't like doing it um I'm not sure yeah I couldn't decide one way or another whether he doesn't like it or he doesn't but I don't 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girls who have not already joined captain it's nice new 1940s reveals you'd better hurry up and join it I can theoretically still get it I don't know if it will give me something else by actual my details in but you almost expect that the videos would be made that way with that character yeah I was I was about to say there is a consistency with aesthetic you know that you want to have um which is something I'm kind of trying to get going here on my channel uh try to get a little like everything's gonna be like the little whiteboard that I have to display text if I need it it's gonna be kind of in the corner of brain just auto-complex that's you saying little white boy little white little white boy that I that I write all over his massive forehead I just write things on a little white boy has a thing to do now is to get started squeaky because we're going to have not only barrels of fun but loads of free gifts and prizes oh he's made a film he's made a video about chronicle that was one of my favorite films lyre chronically chronically chronically well that's that we covered two videos wow six and one of them was fun yeah I mean and the funny things we're not even done with Loki you'll see us come back for it in two weeks from now kill Loki stab it in its loakiness and uh the next week we'll hear us talk about black widow which gives me all a week to watch it if you want to have more context you won't need it because we're gonna talk about it to death more than likely jay you'll have seen it by then and you'll be like wow that was really good yeah yay um so yeah I guess it's time to to go into super chats which means it's also time for me to offer a few if you wow more super chats yes yet more oh actually you know what that's a good time for me to to show you guys something before you do the thing um let me pee is that i'll be back you want to give permission what's the thing what's happening i feel bad for his bladder yeah he's been peeing a lot today i haven't peed once yet i've been drinking a whole bunch he's right diabetic i don't think so okay but maybe i'm like sure you know hmm his secret shame sometimes i have to pee often you all right that's me we're gonna go to explain more of that he's like oh well fine uh mr captain midnight thinks that the best rick and morty episode is total record which isn't a bad choice that's a fair choice it's not but i feel like this in congruent with the video we just watched yeah i guess he would argue that rick is rick throughout that episode there is no sense of that is something that could be replaced i don't know um but of course you don't you're stupid if you want to come chat with us captain midnight about your preferences for rick and morty and maybe even watch some episodes with us will be more than available for that we we love us some uh making roti he called um he called season four the slow downfall of rick and morty season oh um what is the worst season from you guys's perspective uh season four i think it's not bad no well that's the problem is like worst in rick and morty is real for i i think that three has too many like goat episodes that uh i think too many coat episodes i guess the problem is when i think about four it's like the two that i go to is the story train and the vat of acid those are like the two super goat episodes and in season three we have citadel um the one with the the toxic version was really good um i think that was i think that was just like you know above average four rick and morty episode which is excellent but i really like that uh that toxic episode i uh i thought that one was super cool i i think it's i think it's an excellent episode but you know not um i think it's a tear rather than s tier um i i really like the one where they go to the planet where they can't die that was that was a funny one that one yeah that was excellent and morty's mind was great s yeah my blood was great i'm talking about when you say the um the planet they can't die you're talking about where that that that restaurant whatever where you can get shot in the head the rick and jerry yeah yeah and that fight one of my favorite rick and morty it's such a rick and morty joke where the little kids are playing the field comes down and it just cuts from it because you know what just happened is fucking horrible yeah and um and and you know the the the premiere for that season was awesome and that's like several really great episodes and season four it would mainly just be those two that i would default to was like the really great episodes of season four i do really like season four but anyway i remember finding yeah um so for context for anybody who doesn't follow every single thing e-fab does um we for a while did like a few episodes all in a row of um like 10 hour episodes we did we did a couple of them and then um there was some episodes i was unable to do for longer than like four hours or whatever but uh that was like coverage and there was so many the super chats were in a dress my point and there's something i say every once in a while i'm gonna say it again um there's a goal to keep things we try and reduce the parasocial element of e-fab a lot uh a lot of the things we do is that that's part of it and so part of that is a decision on whether or not to actually say whether or not something is happening irl and so um whenever something does happen irl the typical choice is to say that nothing's happening and that everything goes along because that's the way that this works so if ever anything was happening that got in the way the only result you'd ever see is uh maybe drastic uploads or strange things happening that are a little bit unusual but everyone seems fine so it's okay on that point we uh came around eventually to having a lot more time to be able to run streams again um and i think uh and rags went on uh was it a hiking trip uh i went to a family vacation in south dakota and it's gone for about 10 days and so 2800 miles that was fun there was a sequence of i think i want to say four maybe more uh super chat catch ups to try and keep up with with um obviously the the backlog we've developed we still got some there and uh we're still gonna get to them now it seems that with all those uploads people started to get a little restless and uh unfortunately these comments were not zero upvotes so i'm gonna read them out and have a little discussion shall we oh boy good oh rags would you like do the honors i would love to do the honors david bailey expresses his thoughts he says i can't express to you my hatred of super chat just because these videos take time away from other content oh my gosh we can go one by one um first of all no actually uh most of the time super chat catch up is just added on to the end of a stream where we would elsewise just do whatever casual normal things we do in our lives an extra four to eight hours answering questions could have been filled with many other things in life and the idea that if a week was spent on work or uh whatever you think that we should be spending the time on and is instead a minor fraction is spent on answering questions people have paid for um i think you need to chill the fuck out i don't know why you would think that super chat catch up like has absorbed everything else when everything else is still running like you've had the longest episode of efab movies ever within our i think within days of this comment being posted not to mention um efab podcast still running and the longest ever episodes in a row all happening and then mainline videos are still coming out so yeah that's that for me the amount of content that we're making is significant on efab it's a lot it's a lot more than you would get on average like how how long is the average episode of like efab probably like six hours at this point i think it's six or seven something like that yeah that's a lot of content significantly longer than what you would probably get from devoted podcast channels yeah for free like oh and for context i don't know what i meant to do with that this is in the comment section of one of the reuploads of to which i catch up which by the way revolutionary i know you don't have to watch them if you find them in excruciating like and i guess that's a little annoying as well i feel like there's a lot of good conversation that comes from the catch ups that's kind of i thought that's why people were watching it to listen to us talk about things but i guess i misunderstood on that one um you want to carry it on right uh yeah let me take a look uh all right let me click on the thing for whatever reason it brought me away um responses holy shit i couldn't agree more if it wasn't for pointless super chat nonsense they would be way further along watching batwoman etc frustrating but i suppose our boys need money since ad revenue went down the shitter still sucks so first point man they would be way further along watching batwoman so uh you haven't actually seen the coverage we've already got we're actually ahead of the releases uh das bullshit is exclusive editor for batwoman and he takes however long he needs to take to make the episodes because i love what he does with them uh we have not seen all the episodes yet but that wouldn't change anything about how many you've seen i don't know why you think us doing or not doing super chat catch up would make any difference at all it's just a blatant misunderstanding of how it even works because i don't edit the batwoman episodes secondly i suppose our boys need money since ad revenue went down the shitter so if you think we made the decision to do super chat catch up specifically to make more money you must think we're retarded like of all the different decisions very bad at making decisions if this is if money is we're trying to make money yeah holy fuck is uh we are not we are we are doing it an extremely inefficient thing by spending all that many hours responding to people who already gave us money like i don't even so there's so many things we should be doing let's just put it this way right in the last month or so we should have been doing a full leaf up episode on every episode of Loki where we systematically break it all down scene by scene we have people on to talk about what they thought of that episode and then respond to maybe the the top 50% of super chats like based on how much money people are giving us and then end with a sponsorship that will probably be the the smartest way to have done everything we're doing if we wanted to make the most money however we want to have the strongest discussions with what we think are the best references while coming through on the promise that we'll read everything that's sent in via the super chat system which is like an agreement made between us and the people paying do that we're first of all going to wait for the shows to finish before we talk about them so that instead of talking about like we did casual streams with thoughts and stuff but for a full quote-unquote breakdown of Loki we're going to wait until all the episodes are out because i can't even talk about whether or not episode one makes as much sense until i see episode six i need to see who's in charge and what their goals are but then i can judge what happened in episode one and we'll get a full lineup of not only cast members but just episodes i'm going to re-watch them all we'll have notes ready and we'll break it all down but that is not the smartest way to do it if we want to make the most money we should have been doing it episode by episode and then the idea that we're responding to super chats for money like so the money's already given at that point we're actually just trying to respond to them because we feel an obligation because we think it's the right thing to do yeah um and i don't know yet the money's already being made yeah we are uh definitely doing something that doesn't seem to be typical um and yeah you've got god yes extremely looking forward to more bat woman it's like more bat ones on the way there's we're not stopping it in any way shape or form you have to wait for them to be created just like everything else well the amount of uh the amount of stuff that's in backlog right now of just content that's already guys you have no idea you have no idea yeah you don't there's tons you think you do and you're wrong is there anything that's secret from them uh probably most things have been mentioned but there are a couple of secrets yeah we're hoping to have a really fun sort of future for evap in terms of how content's going to get released i don't know which of the things a secret more well i guess you have to pretend they all are fuck um yeah i wish it stopped there but there's other things getting said rags would you care to check this one out absolutely um god yes extremely looking forward to more bat women i'm not what will the third oh okay okay instead we killed it all right do of course he's gonna start his thoughts right is what he thinks bro you don't have an obligation to cover every sycophantic donation maybe in these streams and get back to what made you successful in the first place mate man why are you being like a dick what the hell that's pretty infuriating why are you being such an ass like try to respond to people who paid like oh these sycophants get back to do what made you successful in the first place buddy i've heard it so much it's happened on the discord before as well so like let's just we'll do a little evap breakdown bro you don't have an obligate it's like stop right there yes we do as far as we're concerned we do have an obligation to read these superchats what we've agreed to do we're not going to stop reading them simply at a random time for a random amount of money whatever it's not happening it's an obligation so it is to cover every sycophantic donation really weird to call them sycophantic donations when people are trying to support the content they want to see more of um i know this is crazy but there are people who actually really like the super chat catch up streams they like listen to what we talk about they send questions looking for answers i like i really like them too yeah i think we've had a lot of really cool fun conversations we've had a lot of entertaining discussions and some good memes have come out of them yeah and i i really enjoy them maybe bend these streams and get back to what made you successful in the first place and then add in mate on there yeah well well bend the streams so the streams are just saved for anybody's pleasure they can not watch them or watch them it's completely up to them unless you mean by bend just stop streaming super chat catch up um i don't go fuck yourself i guess like what else can i say it's like it's our choice to bake that you've not made a good argument so i'm not going to agree with you and then get back to what made you successful to reiterate what we said not five minutes ago there are many things that all of us could do to further success if you mean strictly view count or monetary gain that is not our motivation well remember we we have that conversation earlier in the stream about the ways that you should or shouldn't structure your videos to get the most amount of clicks or like the most amount of subscribers how is it not priority the fucking be all and end all of this it's like we we are explicit that we'll never do that despite the fact that it makes you a lot of money a lot of money we've gotten the emails people it gets you a lot of money this is like there's just so many and it's like why didn't you make more tfa is it because you want to make money with super chat catch ups like do you really think my channel would be better off streaming super chat catch up than making all the tfa videos which do you think would actually leave me to have and because of course it's baked into this one more successful at the first place this is like yeah well um we've got different goals to what you assume we have I guess um and then this starts to get weird if you want to read the next one rags love to um soul scorcher he says why put in the effort when this pays the bills just as good like the studios think in regards to writing let's go let's go five upvotes from the efab community i'm fucking disappointed you guys get obvious those don't they they do not pay the bills just as good that's insane the super chat catch ups do not at all make the same amount of money anyone who's been there they who can see the super chats on them they they if we like i said before if our primary goal here was to just make money we would never do a super chat catch up we'd say you know what we got there we got their cash dosh is in the bank check cash buck the ones we don't get to we're moving on we're gonna keep that gravy train rolling i don't because there are people who do that and for some reason that is like it's like it's celebrated to do that right now in this comment section like yeah you should just ignore all of them and move on it's like wow that's the easier thing i mean like they have less we get we make way less money on them they have less views but and then we get these comments as well where people say that we're actually doing it to be greedy when that is the opposite point it's all fucked this whole discourse analyzed we're trying to do it the right way what the hell you know why you know why people say you're doing it just to make money is because it has the name of the donation system in the title of the thing which means money that's a that's a really deep thought that they would have had instead of including jay these people can't bring money super chat is in the title and super chat means money so what they look at the title and they go efat mini money stream super chat is the new cryptocurrency so uh next one right yeah let me uh give us a look here give a clicky clicky so one agrees 100 correct not every single moronic super chat needs to be discussed on the show cover the highlights and be done this is a massive waste of everyone's time do people actually watch these super chat episodes how can it be a waste of your time if you know that this is what they are and you watch them this is fascinating to me because it's an efat fan telling other efat fans do people actually watch this like he's calling them moronic the super chat oh yeah moronic questions they don't need to be discussed cover the highlights and be done like we we'd have to sift through all the highlights we have to read them all to get to the highlights well so it's to get to be as fair as possible right if we had a dream that process of reading them all i was that was literally gonna be my payoff so i was gonna say i let's take two super chats one says sausage and one says what is your favorite animal and i tell him like which one of these is the useful one he goes the animal one i'm like yeah okay so the sausage one i'll i'll so says sausage will move on yeah okay favorite animal one took us like 20 minutes to answer that is that okay and he's like well only if it was meaningful and it's like yeah i think we all had a lot of fun with it we explored it that was the i was playing one of the prequel lego games at that point i think um yeah yeah so yeah you know we had a lot of fun with that question it took a time there you go i'd be like so basically what i've just discovered is that is exactly what we're doing i don't tend to spend more than five seconds on a super chat that's literally glim or something but if it's like a question thank you we read it and we move on yeah yeah so i was like so this is the system we're currently running with i don't are they surprised that they're really long episodes considering who we are so one doesn't know what the next super chat should be make it glim i'm sure we can get a lot out of that yeah saying that because you want money all right next up i want more than i have money but i don't that i don't get to touch or touch all your money more oh no touch your money we pay you an exposure yes an exposure box i did actually pay j an exposure today i put the video in uh in the in the top of the description here's near the top everyone check that out by the way j's video is fantastic oh it is very good um someone replies i don't know it's good to do super chats justice and value them also pretty sure that some people would get upset saying that they've missed their super chat chat comments are right there oh boy this is the thing it's like yeah snap back to reality please like answering super chats should not be condemned spaghetti all right next up next up yeah mauler why are you having fun with friends while reading super chats from your biggest fans just go and work on your scripts 24 seven honestly this is why i love efap people who get really popular and get a bunch of donations just skip a bunch of them and it affects people who donate to you obviously there was more of that but i guess i forget to read the read more but um of course thank fuck that one's got a similar amount of votes to the original comment so it's not so bad don't worry chat i don't think you're all crazy um so yeah it's just like the discourse it's uh going really well now unfortunately the the man there named soul scorcher he um he's apparently held this sentiment for a while and um it was really annoying because when i set up the extraction premiere which by the way if you didn't know we've got an efap movies extraction had a lot of fun with it goga edited it he's uh this is first foray into editing efap movies he's he's uh moved from the meme editing to the to that i think he's gonna run them both the same time i'm not sure i realize that the more i cycle into efap movies the less memes we will get but you know what efap movies being edited it's pretty neat um and you know it's a bit of a process efap movies editing can be annoying as hell um he came up with a whole bunch of very funny edits one of my favorites is when they're they're running through the different areas and i said um imagine they were like firing real bullets to get it authentic then it cuts to like chase with his camera screaming as he's running through like a building trying to keep up with the action stuff it's just like some really fun edits in there and if you look at the comment section a lot of people were complimenting the editing it's it's what we're looking for it's hopefully the a funny era if you get to see us reacting to all kinds of media instead of waiting for extensive amounts of time just to get whatever the more people I can get on to it and stuff so it was a fun little premiere chat you know being like woohoo let's let's get ready everyone decided yeah it's going to be great and um soul scorcher turned up oh dear god soul scorcher oh my goodness this is oh you're fucking kidding me this is soul scorcher this is him yeah he's the one it's him it's i've heard so much about him um you gullible rooms yeah look at more low effort enjoy you gullible rooms oh go fuck yourself soul scorcher go so this is funny myself and meme of both edited ifa movies extensively it's just like low effort low effort i've been in calls with you guys while you're editing these low effort is not how i would describe low effort okay so just to offer soul scorcher the usual well the thing that's easy to them then you know yeah it's easy cash man for well there it is yeah the second you finish it editing one of these a day to make the same call yeah i'll give him the recording and he has to come up with something as good as what go girl meme come up with that we'll we'll see um but of course i i said that message back thinking that would be that and um you started saying more things oh my goodness check it out what more can we say he says mauler i'm certain that same response was uttered by the editing writing an overall production crew of the last jedi quote at least we put in some effort bro and people enjoyed you said it was low yeah that isn't after criticism yeah you said low effort and then they said no actually we put in a lot of effort you're like oh lol tlj on give it if you said that to the crew of tlj and they told that to you they'd be right they would be right if you said that tlj was a low effort low effort yeah like a low effort well low effort script sure low effort production they'd be like no no and they'd be completely correct in telling you that even the milk wall risk had a lot of effort put into it yeah like it didn't cost a million dollars or something that probably probably was really difficult yeah operated by three people dude i love the next one i love the next one face it you're suffering you're you're surfing your past with increasingly lower effort as the studios do as well as i i love i love people as the studios made something up and then go you just got to accept that this thing i've made up about you is true as the studios do i don't god damn like um why don't ask online well it's also bizarre to me so i'm like i just released the father video that was not low effort dude uh and the snider cut video wasn't i'm a snider cut was not low effort that almost killed us again i was in those calls yeah it's the style of arguing that's like evolved in like youtube comments and twitter really needs to die i was like i'm not actually making points but just reiterating your point with the words you just need to deal with the fact that i'm right mm-hmm and the thing is you can't handle the truth you can't handle being wrong you was clogging the fucking chat it was like so so i said uh like my my my work's improved like categorically like by any judgment that you can come up with i guarantee you i can point to how it's improved and he was like has it elaborate compare this to dark souls 2 series on the breakdown series in what way has the effort increased other than the editing which i will grant has improved what dude i've so mother's definitely gotten better i think i have i think y'all have um i think he's definitely gotten better she got um in in response to andrew lindsay so in what way is the effort increased other than the way that it is i agree increased and chosen to discount for some reason which is a great old response and then he says they can do as they like and they can like what they like but improved editing on a bunch of people rambling about a movie they watched together is low effort to me other than the edit but the edit is like the substantial part of the work yes into it so like visual editing streams at all well so the way if you don't like streams that's cool but like holy shit don't try and pretend like that's not what you're saying here the weird part to me was like so you just don't like streams our input was watching the movie and then the files get passed on to editors and so when you say the work is shit that obviously reflects on the editors like they're like hey because like our involvement was watching it of course i do proof watching and stuff but it's just bizarre it's like are you talking about that and he's like no i'm not talking about the editors work just you guys commenting so at this point like okay so the difference between me talking about my ideas and me scripting them and then saying them like of course i think i'm better when i'm scripted but that doesn't mean we discount every single thing we've ever said at the streams because they're not scripted it's like what are you talking about the like the Cruella the triple Dalmatians if movies like the amount of shit we talk about in those if you went like yeah but it's all low effort so you're just reacting to a movie it's like all of my videos of me reacting to a movie or a game or whatever just some of it gets put onto a script and then i look at it again you know actually i want to change that word to that word very fucking bizarre um anyway because he was asking for you've not you've not stopped making this scripted videos well and that's the this is why it's so bizarre because he's like oh it's taking time away this is the low effort content it's like i'm not even the one making this stuff i'm making my mainline stuff so what are you talking about and at that point it's like well you shouldn't be watching the movie the first place i'm like okay so i'm gonna stop you right there no fun allowed no fun allowed we need to attach fucking breast fucking pumps to your tits get as much juice out of you as we can so the reason i want to show this one is i'm actually going to substantiate them in further detail right so many more redrafts i didn't used to redraft as much i do now and it's mainly because every time i do i'm like holy shit i changed so much this time i might i might just do it again and it always leads to refining my work audio balancing i didn't use to audio balance much at all and i cringe when i watch my own videos and something loud or quiet is happening compared to sort of the main stuff that was going on i'm much more obsessed with that now clarified delivery i don't combine words as much slur words as much that i take multiple takes my my desperation and making sure the words are very clearly understood improved research so i take more effort into discovering more about the thing um in reference to a movie it could be looking at more interviews or the trivia behind it or the people who made it what else they've made to try and inform what are the points i might be making about how it was written um which is another something i necessarily didn't do before it's just something i'm doing more now stronger foundational points this means that whenever i say something is a true like like something is good or bad i'm like oh shit what have i just like what have i said that like what does that mean what am i saying is is is the fact that should i delve further into that um and get down to a fundamental instead of just saying that's the case higher resolution it's like that should speak for itself all of my clips are better quality now than they used to be i've made a very strong effort to make sure i'm getting as best qualities i can possibly get for everything same for obviously aspect ratio and stuff increased variety and relevance of visuals this just means that when i'm referencing something that i previously would have been like yeah i can't get the visual for that i will work a lot harder to get the reference especially if i can only find like a 4 ATP version i'll be like oh i gotta really try and find something um improve vocal delivery it's like again uh this would be about like chopping away the accent or improving the voice acting element whenever that may be relevant shamed of your accent absolutely increased breadth of sources so this is just literally going to be like whatever's relevant to it in a third party way and what i can get from those and then further exploration into the fundamental elements of the medium it's again just going to be like what does it mean to have stronger filmmaking and does it am i going to need to bring up points to go beyond the writing if i'm talking about a film obviously this applies to multiple mediums um alternative deliveries for accompanying visuals and audio so this referring to like when i uh hired cynic snacks to do an animation for the game of thrones one i just felt like it was a much better way of explaining the problem with her lawnmowering king's landing just different ways of trying to get points across instead of how i usually do it then sound effects i i quite like putting sound effects in or at least um having them with irrelevant just to make the timeline a little bit more snappy with uh how you're engaging with it the guest spots trying to get more people who can do little things here and there and then um increased degree of media covered just refers to what we've done on efap as well as my channel trying to like the father is not something i've ever covered before that's very much unusual and then faster production ratio compared to prior eras which yeah i am working faster nowadays you can't tell because the work is harder to make than it was before and then i said you can't even tell what's better and that's the saddest part which unironically it really is um making all of these changes a lot of people don't even notice they think that uh you know like the father video is as good quality-wise as the tlj ones it's just like i don't know how but that's just the way that it happened yeah um it a lot of changes have happened i mean i mean it it is kind of sad to see really at the end i got that i imagine you don't even know what the mistakes were in the ds2 series it was simply that you wanted more of that and modern mohler isn't what you want therefore i must be lowering effort which is my honest theory as to how this is all happening when people are making these fucking comments so you're not making the thing i want you to make so it must be low effort is the answer um the ds2 series has a shit ton of mistakes in it there are several responsive videos that make app points it's also got really good points in it it's just because uh ds2 as a series or a source was way harder to verify compared to a movie as you could all probably understand makes sense i know what you mean so with all of that um he then says is it though more clarified delivery far less in depth and far more tangential improve research in what way stronger foundational points such as is like for someone who loves a ds2 series a whole bunch you really can't tell any difference between the delivery and that and any of my other videos from the past year fucking hell so this is a part of my ds2 video that i really don't like and i still remember the day i recorded it i was ill and i was just in the process of making the video and i recorded a whole hour section with ill voice and then i was just like i'm not going to rerecord an hour so i'm just going to keep it and i wish i did because now when i look back on it i'm not sure exactly where it is it could be part two or three i go from speaking like this to suddenly i'm just like this and then you're gonna go something and it's just like wow that's you don't sound remotely the same and i'm assuming you guys have noticed this in different people's videos when they have what are the equivalent of 80 odd lines you're just like whoa you recorded that in a different position yeah um and i try to avoid that uh as best i can but yeah that's a huge thing in the ds2 video i'm sure he didn't even notice sure it's fine um and so then people were like comparing him to the sequel trilogy is fucking insane i don't know what you're doing and he said this and i don't know one of you guys got to read this one out okay all right yeah he announces many things in his videos he's announced many things in his video hasn't he guess he's taken a page out of jj abram's book of mystery boxes oh you are so subsumed in like internet debate points related to media it's unreal you always talk about like studios you're talking about jj abram's and like tlj what the hell why is it so hyper fixated on these stupid online talking points what a stupid thing to say all we said this before but all you've ever done when you make this clear is maybe regret telling you what i'm interested in making yeah it's preferable to not fucking say anything at all don't tell anybody what you're working on because even though content is being produced it's not the content that they specifically wanted so that's held against you or anybody really who does that and i just don't think it's apt because jj abram's is like this thing's gonna be interesting and then it's not when he gives you the answer my thing is i'm making this video and i want to make this video and then eventually they come out they just take time i i can see the comparison to georgia martin fine but the thing about that is i'm still putting out videos he's not still putting out books or he is but they're law books like my father video is not what i would call like a video that supports the tfa series yeah like it it's not like it's an appendix to the tfa series where i haven't progressed that or something this is a really weird comment like i just don't really know what to make of it it's like okay um and then someone asked him to clarify this this the last one but it's just so you understand point i'm sure a lot of projects have already been scrapped just like 80 percent of jj said us no art no hand out not being used i think chat has very short memory to even know what was said in those videos so please make an argument movies then tlj and fucking star wars movies please make an argument without referencing studios why is something bad don't mention studios just don't why is it far more than yeah well i don't know if you guys have gotten it clear that he wants me to make videos about how star wars is bad that's what he wants yeah and i mean if you had i'm not sure what to say to this it's it's it's free it's all like it's just coming out it's content yeah i mean that's the i guess the funny part is my channel will probably be a little bit different if i had like thousands of people working for me and hundreds of millions of dollars funding it i feel like things would be different yeah um but i suppose the more important part is he's correct in that i have said that video is going to come out the references would be like a joker praise the rest of the tfa series a trost series a blind manna series a hillhouse one went on shout of the colossus i want to talk about bio shock metroid even like there's there's there's so many examples but am i jj abrams because i told you what i'm interested in making yes and then yes you are that's right and if it's like well you said in the tfa video that they'd be coming out like once per week and i was like yeah and i was wrong now what what do you want from me i they took a lot more work that i that that timeline was built on the tlj one where i had majority gameplay footage and less takes it was all done very quickly i don't i just don't understand what where's the confusion it's like you hate me because i haven't provided a particular video to you on time but i'm just like you're gonna be okay you're gonna make it it's okay all right it's fine i'm gonna be okay so scorcher i think some other people have talked about star wars movies on youtube maybe maybe tied you over why did that oh my god you did i've talked about some star wars but hey i mean if that like seven hours of content that's already available on like tfa if that's not enough to satiate you i don't know what will be yeah i just um it makes me wonder it's like what universe would be and if i had never said exactly what i was making or when or rather i promised exactly to the dates and the lengths of the video exactly when they would come out and they did what would the complaint be then it would just be that not enough is coming out they're not satisfied i guess plus they should know at this point that they will be surprised by things coming out and releasing well that's the the new sort of way i'm doing it now um i enjoyed it with the snyder cut and with the father video just not telling people what's coming or at least until the like the video is done and then saying it's coming out next week on efab like that's the furthest i want to go now i just don't want to tell people what i'm working on anymore really annoying because it just gets used against you as a as you're not putting enough effort and you're just like all right then i guess i'll just work and you guys can see stuff when it comes out and understandably i've seen people be like this seems really unfair to the people who are literally just curious on what you're working on it's like you'll be fine you like don't worry about it you'll see stuff come out still it won't come any faster because you asked how asking asking are we there yet doesn't make the car go any faster yeah it's as as as shrek said for five minutes could you just not oh wait well no people are asking earnestly then it's not maddening we should watch shrek for efab movies no that's low effort lazy content oh no see the funny thing is my it's like part one more i've been ticed by it because we can talk about how well written or not shrek is a series right it's just like low effort like oh i thought that's what we do anyway okay that's fine i thought all right well there's a critique of shrek part one yeah a movie a mother can love i guess he he really likes your channel but really doesn't like efab well that will just whatever choices i've made in general he's he wants me to do specific things and i'm not doing them sorry yeah like you get in what you're getting um i hope i hope you enjoy the stuff you do get but maybe not and that that sort out that arc um the point i guess overall is that you're gonna get a lot more super chat catch ups until we uh we we are caught up obviously and uh you're gonna get a lot more efab movies and efab batwoman episodes are gonna come out and mainline videos are gonna come out and just no amount of top comments saying fuck super chat catch ups you're already interested in the money is gonna change that really retarded argument i don't know why you would even upvote it but whatever we're gonna do yep in which leads us to uh super chat catch us super chat yeah so uh yeah i don't know uh meme j if either of you would like to to exit at this point maybe you have lives i don't like to exit at this point i have a bad life that i would like to be in um all right then we'll tell people about that video you made and why they should go watch it um it's five hours your efab community you like that your five hour video is undone they're just taken away from this is this low effort shit you're watching right now wow money grabbing jay yeah yeah this is like would you can you can either listen to these people do the low effort thing whether like oh give me money or you can be like watch high effort talk to you criticism did i do it good did i do it five hours of jay yeah that's right it's a break down promo i mean specifically it's the breakdown of the two women's seasons and about how women shouldn't play doctor because they don't know anything about medicine we can't be doctors it's unrealistic yes that's a good reference yes that's me jay do you even get the reference i don't actually wow in fairness i don't think i would have gotten it if not for rewatching the pilot i thought i thought it was just a joke it is a joke thank you yeah uh you remember what what best job is jay or at least was oh i remember i remember i remember even if you know that i i out referenced jay on rick and morty that one time she still had that um that job she probably does we just never hear about it anymore yeah honestly when i saw it in the pilot i was like holy shit i forgot she was a horse dog i completely forgot um yes anyway all right goodbye everyone catch you around jay goodbye chat goodbye how are you going to stay with us mr meme i shall very well i'm gonna boot up good old legos yeah i just love hearing it all you know all of those fucking chants about a whole low effort content while i'm looking at the densest editing day i've ever had to deal with in my life like i'm not joking there's an edit almost every few seconds in snider cut um at certain points it's unreal yeah well it's it's hard it's hard to do that i can you should be able to tell that by watching an efat movie is that there's a lot of work yeah man i'm even going to that none of the animationy stuff right if you simply cut it so that it gets rid of all of the fat and then you put the coffee or stuff on that alone takes ages yeah like because my my reference for like the most editing intensive thing i've ever had to do was the crash video and the crash video probably has less editing than um than in efat movies especially factoring in um copyright stuff and that's like the crash video was that was tough that was uh that was that was a lot of work had to go into that and and like the the efat movies for like snider cuts probably going to be like hours long it's clocking in about four hours 25 at the moment yeah this is what we four hours of content highly edited content that hopefully people will find entertaining i don't watch yeah i i guess it's just it is man i don't like to call people entitled but like holy shit like this is it's it's a lot of free content i already told you when i made that dalmatians efat movies i was like oh i'm gonna spend all this time on this and then they're gonna be like i know low effort bro yeah so for reference i'm often like in a work call with more and usually trying to just get work done on scripts or like editing or stuff like that i specifically remember all the conversations had about the cruella and dalmatian stuff like it takes time to do that especially if you're trying to hold yourself to a really high standard which surely that would be preferable from an audience perspective right i mean at least like for me i'm totally cool with waiting on content from people i really like if i know that that's just gonna yield better content at the end of the day because that's the big thing like the content will last forever and when it's out you're not gonna really think about whether you waited an extra week or a month or a year even i mean if you apply to like video games and stuff like that it's the reason why that um miyamoto quote works so well like you delay it it'll eventually be good but if you rush it out and just push it out there it's going to be bad forever i suppose um no man's guy kind of broke that huh well with video games you can patch them but like if you release a video that sucks you don't really have a choice except to just continue working on it and then release a new one yeah i mean look at cyberpunk that was the i bet they wish they delayed another year yeah exactly yeah oh that's is that from chat by the way yeah that's from chat and look actually i'm going to push back against that and say that with my edits like this is a subtle thing you probably don't notice but i um because there's a lot of people talking over each other in the epa movies what i do is i focus um i usually zoom in on the head that i think is making the most important point so that does actually improve the commentary quite significantly when i can focus on bolster the share of you with this shit like this is just unacceptable like so the opening of the um extraction sort of epa movies right the uh we were talking about how i guess how funny it would be if hitler did a squarespace ad i think that was just where we started and i hadn't hit record yet and i was almost like rushing to get it hit record because it was just funny as fuck and it literally just starts halfway through rags making the joke um and i think it's funny on its own but with the visuals goga put up there like it totally accentuates the joke because you can just see hitler doing it especially with the awkward lifting of the um the cover of the documentary where he's like it's that i just go it's called well you know the words come up with it's like yeah the editing of course bolsters what's being said i don't know why you would think it doesn't uh it's just a it's just a weird perspective i would have thought you would have gotten that from watching epa movies though a lot of the editing is is designed to help you consume what people are commenting on especially like if i i got an example when i pointed out um in the 96 version of 101 Dalmatians that tim mcginnery that tim mcginnery was in it at the same time as rags what the fuck is that skeleton thing on his desk so that i had the camera zoom in on him when i said tim mcginnery and then zoomed to the left when he said the skeleton thing to make sure that people are confused as to how how things are being commented on just you get the audio in the back and it's just like so simple stuff like that it just helps people follow the well follow it um yeah kind of the narrative of the commentary um because often the visual that is immediately playing on screen is sometimes that won't even like you'll make your comment on it and then of course the film continues so you have to actually dig up that clip and put it back in um you have to make sure that it's focusing on the right element and that's on top of making sure it's getting past copyright it's a whole adventure to get it and there's a lot of it's a lot of the largest effort is invisible um in that regard um yeah i don't know i i didn't think it would be a problem but apparently there needs to be a little bit more appreciation for the editing efforts because uh there's a reason a lot of people don't do it the format that efet movies is it's fucking annoying to get it all done yep but i don't know i i'm really happy with them as a series i think they're really great but and yet you are punished for that it's it's it's just for music that like doing the harder thing that takes more effort is uh and actually is like less cost effective is uh yields poor results in terms of reactions yeah um but that's it's all we can do really is just point out these arguments are being made especially if they start getting up voted that shit's just like oh gosh this is actually being accepted as an idea but you guys it's very bad um hence why i don't just dig up random comments if i see these things getting up voted that's when i'm like all right we need to have a talk and um yeah i don't i don't know you should be expecting anything different and i don't know why you'd be complaining more now than ever when efet movies are getting more complicated for the edits and longer you'd think that would be something that would make people go oh man this is getting better not worse but what are you going to do um oh one more positive note like we've got so many things on the way that are going to be really fun and there's plenty of you that actually just really enjoy this stuff and don't make these shitty arguments it's all good no worries and uh we ain't stopping anytime soon we have lots of fun making all of this yes in case there's any confusion i don't believe for a second that the majority of people have the opinion don't worry i'm pretty sure it's minor but i don't want it growing because it's fucking wrong and toxic as hell and the last thing i want is not only me seeing this stuff but the people fucking working on this shit seeing it too like hey all that effort i put in is something that people are getting annoyed by that makes sense um which leads us nicely to uh talking today about today's super chats and all the way back to the beginning just give me a moment while they're refreshing meanwhile i'm doing the super story for the episode six which is the last significant thing i gotta do before i unlock everything in this game and now i've seen people speculating on what lego game i'm gonna play next and they actually fight in the comment section about which is the best one it's actually pretty interesting there's a passionate audience behind lego i can only hope i've not pissed them off with the gameplay you know in terms of not playing lego to the mlg level and stuff um i hope you're all having a wonderful day hi rags kick j hello he is self-kicked yeah and he just kicks so much on metal stream stan i think there might be some kind of rivalry there you know hmm as soon as jay starts streaming on twitch that was gonna try and sabotage it greetings ragout no hello oh you know all that sparked something in my head that shouldn't have come from that but has a word right now i was looking at the the comments on the extraction one they were saying that there's a lot well there was there's an argument between people and i was curious what your thoughts are um about bolt action rifles and that they're out they are there are reasons to have a bolt action rifle still to this day on that movie um i can't remember what it it was something like it bolt action rifles are okay they're obsolete fucking get over it okay um are they cool sure are there are there a great big amount of appeal to them absolutely totally understand they're really sexy i love them they're obsolete get over it um but in that movie yeah it's definitely a um you'd have a yeah you a bolt action rifle has a huge hump to overcome uh when you compare it to a dmr or to a semi-automatic sniper rifle uh so if you are in a think of all the times in that movie where the person with the bolt action rifle could have had more and more follow-up shots if it was semi-automatic um like i said i'm rocking my brain i think it was something like something like the the bullets themselves or the chamber they were saying something about how the the way it all functions it's much more steady with a bolt action rifle a a bolt action rifle by its design can have small advantages in accuracy over a semi-automatic rifle however those especially in modern days those are only going to be apparent at extremely long distances and the shooter skill and the kind of bullet that you use those things will matter probably more um give if you're saying i need to be a sniper man give me a semi-automatic rifle absolutely follow-up shots are more important volume of fire is more important um but just that's just the way it is but they do have a cool factor to them there's a lot of iconic bolt action rifles um they just they have a certain aesthetic so there you go gonna have to gonna have to use it the only place i could see a bolt action rifle not being totally obsolete is extremely long distance super mega precision that just isn't wasn't wasn't really present in the case of that movie especially considering that especially for the sniper bit at the end the counter sniper was using a semi-automatic sniper rifle there you go yeah give me a yeah uh well they are cool they are very very cool no doubt about that there's something about it that manual working of the bolts and the sound it makes and it's just this incredible appeal to it yeah and i guess is your overall point as well the whatever significant differences they see in taking the bolt action it would be outclassed by the fact you can fire so much quicker with a semi-automatic in the scenarios he was in yeah rate of fire is such a huge aspect of it that it's just like i said bolt action rifle edges it out on accuracy sure especially in theory but um oh just the volume of fire you can put out with a semi-automatic rifle is just it's way too much of an advantage to give up in the vast vast majority of scenarios all righty then j fix your mic he was uh he was downloaded what was it a game right he said he wanted to try and download it during uh e-fap i don't know which game it was um oh yeah he was talking about he was talking about oh is this honored was that oh it could have been yeah i think it was this honored some people say long man bad but what if pretended that long man is good how would they feel then ah the cinema wins approach by the way we haven't covered him in a long time wonder what he's up to i think he's got a video for um Wonder Woman 84 so oh that'd be a short film can you imagine potential Wonder Woman 84 is quite the special movie he also has one for man of steel uh if you ever cover that oh yeah i mean he's a brave soul uh saying that compliments for so many these uh these films it's a good lad you know really trying uh i have a hot dog do you want me to put it in milk and make it a cereal you know it's not a requirement on our end it's certainly interesting i don't know that i would recommend it either but you know what i'm in i'm in for trying new things uh jay since you're a woman do you now like Ghostbuster 2016 i don't think women like Ghostbuster 2016 that's a that's this cruel i think anybody likes that um high rags hello thoughts on new spider-man suits the new spider-man suit i'm not a huge fan of the tony stark one um it does seem a little bit metallic and it doesn't quite give me i think they're talking about the brand new ones rags the ones that are going to just leave the gold strip one yeah uh just a second let me take a look spider-man new suit um don't like it i don't mind it yeah i don't like it but it's definitely not something i really feel strongly about at all it wouldn't be my choice but it's not that big of a deal but i don't like it i feel like i want to see it in the movie before i make my decision on if i like it or not i'm not sure yet because it's like an action figure form right now right or something like that uh we got some art i think for it like concept i i i looked it up so yeah um any chance of ever having destiny on that'd be interesting i mean if you want to i don't know what we would cover i definitely like that one you bet even though it's forced but it's kind of sad that faf series had an ongoing theme about family but not star wars st uh that's nefarious i mean well thematically like i mean they could claim it's about family right the sequel trilogy that's what makes it special yeah it's what it's what's so powerful is what i would say uh it's such a considering what happens in those movies and like who we don't even see to get like we never see the scene of luke khan and leia and what a fucked up trilogy about family it's like really if the if those are about family that is so fucked up i feel like we're so far beyond the release now that we could start talking like it's like the fuck was that what the hell did they like what what what an era were they thinking yeah they completely fucked that up remember there was people out there who thought the rise of skywalker was good they just did someone for everything i guess but um i'm just i'm kind of in a way glad we're posting sequel trilogy we were just like yeah that was a fucking thing that happened but they never do that again but then we're in the tv show era now and is it starting next year that we get all the star wars tv shows uh no book of barba fettes this year december i think it's nice i remember fighting that out when we at the end of bad lord season two i was like oh man that is some time from now it's like no it's not it's really too quick we've got so much shit to cover and then there's the other shows like a soca the uh the and all one is pretty sure that's coming straight afterwards no um or the obi one one of the light show oh that one's filming i think right now so it's probably next year so my god damn dude yeah i know i know how are we gonna choose which ones to mini those as well because like i want to mini the boba fat one probably uh well i mean we don't need to like we haven't really minted any of the marvel stuff so no but if someone was like which one would you've liked to have done and be like probably none of them i don't think the mini format would have worked with any of them to be honest with you i think we'd just be really mad yeah we're just annoyed but the star wars ones i think the book of barba fat will probably work that'll probably be fine but i mean i'm not super invested in any of the other ones no it's just it's just i'm not man it feels so lame because we're in the era where like tv finally has like the budget to do these things and is taken seriously yeah and it's taken seriously as a as a form of storytelling yeah and look at what's happening in terms of the all this budget terrible stories terrible action too that's the thing that's yeah i'm supposed to be the most talking pot in some ways because we're used to terrible writing but like 24 had better action scenes pay for a fucking choreographer what the hell's happening in all these shows yeah it's way better that's crappy fighting like uh with all this money and i just find it amusing because daredevil had like a quarter of the budget and more episodes and it has way better fight scenes oh the ditto it's not even the same ballpark like did i was like i know i know the whole the whole way fight scenes in daredevil are amazing and it's just crazy that despite all the money that they have it's not even close yeah um i don't know what's going on i don't know yeah it would be nice to not be embarrassed by a fight scene on the movies too because black widow has some really stupid action scenes like that ending scene where she's fighting task master she's falling out of the that's so stupid no it's not guys that sell on the idea of the fight not the actual fight yeah because the fight itself is really lame yeah mando in particular has horrifically bad fighting like the action scene in mando a show that is about the action because there's nothing else in it yeah and i that's me being charitable uh but the fighting in that is shit it is bad it is really bad it is nonsensical and that's just an unfortunate fucking standard right now it's across all these because like the loki fighting has been awful well hopefully kashen she is trying to lean into martial arts stuff maybe that'll have cool action scenes no i mean it might because it's oh yeah might i don't think it will well it's just but i don't know but that it's like a martial arts movie surely it will have cool martial arts action scenes you know yeah maybe the lorraine's a pouting hunter joe you know that's true that's true yeah i hope i really hope it is because i because i'm just like accepting that the writing is going to be dog shit for everything in marvin marvel now well yeah that's at least give me some fun action to watch i know that's that's almost like when i look to the movies ahead it's like well dr strange it's like what are you excited for the story it's like uh no i hope they'll just be really cool cinematography and stuff yeah have some cool magic really neat stuff going on these crazy set pieces that'll be neat but i don't know it's just on and as people as somebody mentioned iron fist it's like ah that's true iron fist kind of had shitty action and and that's like just hardcore martial arts sort of you know genre they're really close to that at all no everybody did but like but iron fist is probably like if i rewatched it it's probably like better than what we've had coming out lately i don't remember like i remember like loot cage and stuff being in like four territory or at the very least there was stuff in those shows that i thought was pretty cool like um david tenet kill grave and jessica jones was really great i really liked cottonmouth which was mohersh lily he was he was cool in uh in um in loot cage i remember that show like the first six episodes was really cool and then um when diamond back came in it just fell off a cliff in terms of its quality but like yeah those those shows were like even though i didn't really like any of them as much as dead of well they probably stand up better than what we're getting now they didn't break the universe yeah my issue with them was more i just found them like as i was dead ever like found them just quite dull and monotonous um yeah they definitely um they outstead their welcome um i remember like jessica jones by the time i was hitting episode now i'm like i'm ready for this to end loot cage as well it's like yeah i'm ready for this to end and um iron fist was yeah people didn't like iron fist but there was a uh there was a political aspect to that unfortunately yep um a more in team just wanted to say i really appreciate that you do the things you want even if your viewers are asking for a specific thing that's still respecting your viewers after that it's something i haven't seen much of keep being you oh that was before even those those like earlier in the stream no they can see the writing on the wall oh that's prophetic what's the thing um you know i really appreciate that that comment i'm just i'm just sort of viewing off into a topic now it's just like what is the difference between respecting your viewers and kowtowing to your viewers it's like i'm letting them not compromising these principles as a big part of it yeah i'd say allowing them undo levels of control over the content that you put out the things that you say when you start right your audience is uh bad yeah that's definitely part of it too yeah the reason i bring that up is just because of course i'm sure there are people who would have seen pieces of us responding to criticism from chat and stuff has been like wow you treat your audience this way and i'd probably be like yeah like this comes with the respect trade i would say you want to um you know it's a two-way street yeah it wouldn't even be remotely close to a problem to me i feel like it was in this the way it should be because um well it reminds me of the mandalorian stuff right like when we first covered mandalorian season two the fucking pushback was quite significant from efap in general and so it was like so what do we do with that scenario should you stop covering it negatively should you instead you know prevent it's like well we did what i think is the best response which is we checked out the arguments it went very good i think um yeah it's uh i guess a good way to like if you thought about that that comment or something like if somebody came in the comments saying um i just uh this is this is not really the content for me but i'll still stick around to like watch you you know like the main videos and stuff you know it's you do you it's like the criticism has still been levied but it was done in a way that wasn't you know dickish and then and then like if somebody responded to that like wow fuck you like get fucked like this is what we're making um that would be a little mean but when somebody's like dick like listen you're not doing what's making you popular all right boy get back to making videos that i like at that point you know i feel like the respect has already been you know you've already been disrespected yeah i just want to make sure we try and maintain that balance because i just don't like the idea that it's like if enough people complain about super check out if we stop it's like that's never gonna happen so you need to make better points like the only reason we should want to stop is if somebody made a really compelling point as to why it was bad which i don't think it's possible but like hypothetically the only reason you should ever want to stop doing something is not because people told you that it was wrong but because you understand that it's wrong or bad yeah and i just think that's a much more respectful uh back and forth than simply like the audience complain loud enough and you change um so yeah hopefully that's kind of where that master's coming from i don't know but i like to think that that's kind of how the system well what the system we use is um finished ds9 and watched the documentary the writers of that show made a hypothetical episode for a new season in only a few hours their chat writers ds9 is i mean star trek right deep space nine right yeah yeah that's actually my favorite show i think i hear a lot of good things about deep space nine of the star trek shows i always saw that people pick tng as top dog but not i hear really good things about deep space nine i think uh i think i think from what i get the impression it's like it's like tng is like final fantasy seven and deep space nine is like six or something there's like the normie take of it almost of like the best one and then there's the interesting take on the best one you know that's the impression i get with my incredibly layman's completely lacking knowledge on star trek tng is mcdonald's ds9 is five guys okay i don't like five guys better but i don't i don't think it's fair to call tng mcdonald's i think tng is definitely too high quality uh to me mcdonald's dude mcdonald's gonna be pissed at you when you said that hey look mcdonald's is maybe maybe it's just in america like i feel like mcdonald's here is in complete shit maybe it's time that we defend mcdonald's yeah you know what like they offer a service you know what they've provided yeah they've provided yeah look at what they've provided to the world a steep increase in import help hey man a man should be free to buy his burger well i mean i guess he should be free to buy his burger go do these to yourself oh i should probably worry about the music oh we could uh crack open that war again did we ever ask chat about that um like without any influence from any of us saying anything okay chat choose one or the other which has the superior soundtrack overall star wars or lord of the rings vote now i'm curious to see what people say yeah he's just sitting silent it's not one influence this one yeah don't be influenced by lego star wars okay guys all right where we go lord the ring star star star lord lord lord stars or the rings i think it's neck and neck holy shit that was going in fact in fact it looks like there's a lot of lord of the rings actually in fact i think lord of the rings might have the i think lord the rings has the which is interesting because i think that star wars has the superior soundtrack but i think both of them are phenomenal yeah i mean i think that's the only conclusion you can make really is that they're both fucking excellent they're both amazing and they both suit their story so well um i think for me it's just that when i think i feel like the music is almost instrumental to star wars nice the music is instrumental nice that that was unintentional but i will take it um i i really like when i think of when i think of um star wars i often think about the music first and i do think about the music in lord of the rings for sure and it's really great i just think it's um the identity of star wars is so heavily tethered to the music but it can it's really hard for me to ever think about star wars not sounding like it does with john williams's score yes that's that's fair um but i i couldn't substantiate that at all that's just uh perspective well i would i would never want it said in any way to imply that i don't adore them both you know oh yeah lord of the rings is amazing soundtrack like fighting the balrog and when he's fighting um fighting oh there's so the battle of helms deep oh aim on hand it's beautiful what the right door here um yeah i think they're both really good but i think lord of the rings uh for me it's easy i think lord of the rings uh has the better soundtrack to it but they're both really really good because if you if you were to say hey fringy hum music from all of the star wars movies well actually excluding the sequels i forget a lot of the music in those ones but from the the six movies like yeah it's it's really easy to uh to think about songs from those ones you know it's like jewel of the fates i really like the in attack of the cloned which is probably like the one that i find to be weakest of maybe the original six still got a lot of cool tracks and like in the battle of geonosis a lot of cool music dooku versus uh yota that's a really cool song revenge of the sif is like fucking beautiful it's like well yeah revenge of the sif is often cited as the best of the six for the soundtrack so that is i i don't even know that i would ever like that is yeah i think that's just true like i really don't think i could ever say otherwise the combo of dual fates and battle of heroes like when they lead into each other it's fucking strong and of course the the opening music is really cool when they're flying into that battle it's just so good it's not like this i wonder if the bias for me is that i just i'm so much more familiar with star wars is tracks uh not that i'm not familiar with lord the rings but so many games i've played that just use star wars is tracks that um um it's hard for me to separate out that uh it feels like it's chosen for me already which one i think is the and i don't know if i'm factoring in how much i think it matches not to say that it's definitive of one matching one better or anything but man does the music in star wars really help make it star wars it does that's what i mean the identity of it feels so tethered to it might just be that um it's almost not fair for lord of the rings because so many things have tried to be lord of the rings that it's almost like what it is in terms of its um soundtrack is it's not homogeneous because it's it's amazing it's just that a lot of things try to emulate that and there are not a lot of things that try to emulate star wars's music because it feels like it's so attached like a lot of the instruments that they use in star wars especially what what it's not is it xylophone or is it something else you know when they do you got you i'm pretty sure you guys know what i mean right like when there's lots of like high-pitched stuff in in star wars hmm i'm just trying to think about i'm gonna be a viola is it a string is it a percussion is it uh it is it it feels like it's i'm trying to think about yeah when it's like the problem is that it would be hard for me to hum exactly what it is because it's it's not the melody typically it's usually a supporting line i should be better than this i i should know what this is yeah i would i think you know more about instruments than i do so i'm gonna be fucking lost on this problem but um yeah it's an interesting comparison because i think that everybody at default thinks the soundtracks in both are phenomenal i don't know anybody who thinks that the soundtracks of lord the rings and star wars aren't good i mean i can't fathom if you say that i don't disqualified yeah kind of i don't know if i'd go that far we've got to have standards we've got to have standards for you it's um order 66 man in the march it's it's just oh and um was anakin's dark deeds that that one's amazing as well you know what i i feel like maybe this is malformed but i feel like the families we have is going to be more uh star wars centric than lowering centric and lowering still seem to win in that so maybe that's even more addictive yeah i don't know how good i guess it's literally think about it's interesting to think about because it's like could you actually make an argument for which one's better it's like i don't think so they're both just incredible so it is just a matter of preference if an argument could be made i'm not the one to make it because i don't know i'm not sure i don't know that i'll i'm not sure because it's like music is complicated and um they're both trying to do different things so i don't i don't know that um i don't know that a comparison could be made of like which one is better as a composition they're both excellent you need to get hardcore into music theory like but the problem is that like all the songs yeah that's what i'm saying is what are you going to point to it is incorrect in the star wars or like lord of the ring soundtrack nothing at least not that i'm aware of yeah well i feel like it's comparing you know like if we had two films we considered nine out of ten and someone's like which is the better one it's gonna be really fucking hard well i mean i guess an interesting one it would be to think about like i think infinity war has a pretty good soundtrack by marvel movie standards but like i don't think it's as good as star wars all lord of the rings but there's no way i could substantiate that at least not that i'm aware of i feel that my brain immediately goes to um something that i think lord ring star wars have compared to a lot of other stuff is like many tracks and that are all like tailor made for particular events or characters where a lot of stuff doesn't do that a lot of stuff has one track you remember or several i'm pretty sure the scenes are constructed like when you listen to the infinity war and end game soundtrack there's a lot of parts where the music is like not sticking to the like it will change it's um it will change um oh my god i am losing all of my i learned all of these things i can't believe i'm forgetting like it will change from four four to three four very sharply without any clear reason or like it will cut off quicker than you would think and the reason why is because it's being written to sync with the scene as it's being cut whereas i'm pretty sure that it's almost like the other way around for our star wars stuff where like things will be edited to match the music better the music won't get cut in ways that are really abrupt or um just to like fit in with the way that the shots are made um i'm not i'm not sure i don't know though because i'm pretty sure that like a lot of the music for lord of the rings was uh well it's signature but it's not it's not key signature it's um it's uh yeah i can't believe like i'm i'm blanking here my brain is going to be it's okay um first thing i hear is rags talking about getting squeezed out of a vagine i love efab i don't remember that that happens to the best of us yep if black lowkey hadn't betrayed the main group og lowkey would have had to say look it's black me to silvi missed opportunity disney old lowkey would have said look it's black me but it's like a mean animal it's boastful lowkey that's the most important part of who he is he's boastful i well i i don't even know that would be it would be weird right like if if say she met the three of them he goes that's child lowkey that's old lowkey and that's black lowkey first of all i don't think disney have the balls to say that um lowkey yes lowkey with but secondly like that whole thing i don't know i was getting so cynical realizing watching it right where it's like haha he's the the the lowkeys are gonna get betrayed by the lowkey who betrayed our team there's so much betrayal and then our lowkey in the background is like oh so much betrayal it's like so clever he's tired of the betrayal i'm just bored with the lowkey ain't lowkey anymore okay he's he's newman i need a better name for him because it ain't lowkey well i suggested steven earlier just to kind of math we had jake skywalker we could have drake i i love the fucking mark hamill is the one that got that started pulling him jake it's classic i think that's still like surprises me and it certainly did back then just seeing the interviews like this isn't luke this is jake skywalkers jesus christ what the fuck how is he allowed to say these things how is he allowed to say these things right because he's luke skywalker i like the idea that mickey mass is watching this like fuck he's revealing everything oh come on break his legs i wish this was china's like why threaten his family oh my god it's really easy to envision i think it's sapbox did that envision mickey masses this tyrannical boss who beats up his employees he almost wanted to be that way so that taking disney down feels that much more satisfying well i guess it's interesting because bugs bunny is never i think it's just bugs bunny is a i know we've had this conversation before but like bugs bunny is more of a character than mickey masses so it's hard to imagine him being anything but what he is whereas mickey masses yeah you're right if someone went like i imagine an evil bugs bunny overloading disney we'd all be like uh or overloading water brothers it's like that i don't see that i would want to see daffy duck in charge of water brothers that'd be really funny but we picture that being funny yeah we don't picture it being a male like whatever malevolent plans you would have they wouldn't succeed yeah that or yeah like they'd be things that he tried to do to maximize the profit and all it would do is backfire yeah i like the idea actually almost of like a ceo daffy duck and seeing what he's doing and how how badly it all turns out all these terrible ideas the advisors you have to make choices every day but they're always the wrong one we should uh we should watch space gem too that's out really soon we have to watch space gem one and two for you have movies that's that is certainly a thought i man i i really like looney tunes i like it a hell of a lot more than like the the uh the did those disney characters i don't know what it is i think it's just got more edge i just like it but what really well defined characters more slapstick um post the ash shorts were amazing what do you think is the biggest plot hole slash plot issue big tizm in the prequels like what's something in there that was not answered nor explained that their crests lack common sense also rags you're a whore um well it is what it is uh that's i want to apologize for knowing what i like but when it comes to the biggest hole in the prequels i can't remember we did notes for it when we went around um the people so so i it might be because of the impact that it has on the plot the trade federation trying to destroy queen amadala ship as it leaves the orbit of naboo definitely won't they need to revive the plan yeah like no one comes up yeah um yeah i'm just trying to rack my brain for all of the actual plot holes like i'm trying to remember them yeah because that sets into motion uh quigan jen finding luke skywalker anakin yeah you're right so yeah anakin skywalker uh so that's kind of a huge deal for star wars um in terms of plot significance i guess it's not a hole it is colloquially right in the in a loose sense yes the thing we talked about before where it's there's directly an explanation for it to make it not a hole but i mean you could say that for a lot of things basically a plot goal that they do that they try and kill it um um they might just think it's not doing split no it's a very specific ship it's very very specifically the queen's royal ship and also the droids are aware that it has left down on the surface so they would have radioed ahead and let them know but there's multiple reasons why they'd know that it was her in the ship and it was her ship um and they need her live at that point but there's a lot of issues with the prequels of plots but that is um that's the one that comes to mind but i don't know if it's the biggest for me um it might why does dooku not tell anakin everything when palpatine tells anakin to kill him hmm i'm curious what because like i've always just that's what i've just settled in my head it's just being something that happened i never really just like is that a problem is there is there a reason to assume that dooku would have just been so surprised by the scenario that he just sees how it plays out he doesn't really feel the need to be like whoa he's he's palpatine by the way because in shock he wasn't in that much i feel like he was he was clearly emoting and reacting to the things around him um and i feel like he had enough time to do it but yeah i think if we're being honest he chose not to say anything i don't think it was yeah he didn't have time to think about it because he seems to commit almost when he sees that anakin's going to make the choice he sort of looks at him like make your choice sort of thing um but i i guess you just need to rationalize why would dooku not tell him and it maybe it is he's just like i i lost to anakin i'm out two two man rule thing i don't know maybe i haven't really thought about it yeah i think that's a big stretch for self um yeah but especially because dooku seems to be fervent believer in the trade federation as an organization oh yeah he's more politically invested isn't he oh yeah he's uh that would be that would throw quite that quite quite a especially because if he he believes that this is palpatine who is a incredible instrumental capture to have for your side in revealing to anakin that he is palpatine like oh what that would that would sure shake up the senate you know that that would that would be quite a like oh shit you know um i don't know i need to hear more arguments potentially for that one i've not really thought what is yeah um i don't know if it's how significant you consider it but zam choosing to shoot idroid and not obi one well i mean i think that's a pretty big one because obi one would be dead that's yeah that yeah that's hang like it's it doesn't seem that big but you're like oh wait yeah obi one was miraculously and inexplicably spared from death right there because zam the skilled seasoned bounty hunter decided to just let him not die there yeah and obviously no self detonation on that droid which you'd think if that were the case obi one is fucked as well yeah that that whole plan is is a just a catastrophe yeah the whole bit's really funny actually and the funny part again is the cosmonaut criticized it but he did it all wrong he couldn't figure out what was wrong with it but he went with the fact that loads of people were involved in the plan that was the flaw which is not the flaw which is not the flaw no uh but yeah this because he's not very good at his job but that's all right we've just we've discussed that in great detail in episodes it was funny there's a subreddit post saying who do you think is the most inconsistent youtuber that they've covered or in general in the top comment was cosmonauts like it is cosmonaut yes i can phenomenal in that department you never know just which one you're gonna get no obi one locals have them so does it obi one knows how to use the force how is that an explanation a laser shot with his uh as force powers that's the first time we've ever seen that also everyone didn't block shit when that came and hit the droid and he was set to die but uh Anakin saved him right for my misremembering that is what happened yeah he yeah he uh the the speeder yeah yeah there's no need to hash it all out because i get tired with like people are very defensive with the prequels um we've admitted several times we enjoy them and they're no any as bad as the sequels but man like there's a bit of a weird sort of no the prequels are actually incredible it's like all right which is not true i'm not even close to true they're bad yes i do really like them though yeah um also yeah i'm not i'm not going to be able to do this super story in the time limit i'm also doing it so i understand the levels and then we'll do the the quick vision of it because i've still got to make a shit ton of money to get all the uh unlockables for people who wonder why i'm doing this so slowly uh i thought i thought you're relating into an e-fap oh i could that's still on the table then uh the first thing i hear is right oh wait that's the vagina one uh e-fap 150 is supposed to be on august 22nd right because unless it's supposed to be on september 4th you guys are behind schedule that wasn't intentional but uh you might get an extra e-fap episode dude we got to do another meme fap anyway so um slots will be filled do not panic uh if you haven't please please watch the video wesker outtakes done by the man who voiced him himself it's funny also love you jay you're the best wesker outtakes see in that video it's really funny sounds like it'll be funny do i think it was um complete global masturbation that was the outside for him are you feeling burned out william tell don't know the way that would have been relevant to what we were talking about maybe about remodel for what it was maybe uh i haven't watched a single mcu movie or show since endgame for as tizmy endgame was it felt like the perfect ending for a lot of great characters no no no you're wrong i so often for a lot of great characters so often see people say like endgame's where i stop watching and i'm like endgame sucks it's not like you missed out on like it's not by by watching endgame it seems people believe they avoided the cringe it's like no you got a whole dose of cringe yeah like i because i've been i've been working on the script um endgame is it's catastrophic yeah um it is it let me fuck mate i need to find some examples of my notes um oh the final battle let me let me let me tell you a little bit about what i've noticed in the final battle um so the the charge is really stupid um i feel like one ac 130 could have ended the whole battle um these heroes are pretty incompetent in terms of just like rushing the enemy especially when most of the enemy a melee like space dogs yeah mostly good guys have projectiles yeah and planes and stuff but they never use them um oh and also by the way like the fact that Thanos flies through the roof do you guys remember in ant man how they had motion sensors that were so good they could detect when an ant landed on the roof yet they couldn't notice when the roof didn't exist anymore because a giant spaceship flew through it if they knew then the whole final battle doesn't happen as it does is the logic there that they're in what he calls is it a barnyard mode or some shit yeah they lock down but if if the lock down makes it to where you don't know what's happening outside that's a pretty stupid lock down system yeah so that's that's that's cool friday to be like sir someone has blown through the roof roof and also like this is all putting to one side how is it even possible to transport the ship through the time machine you need to be wearing the suits and you need the the the little blinky wrist thing but nebula alt nebula needed that to get back i don't think i have that script i need to add well there's an explanation for that rain political affiliation there is an explanation for that and that is the uh squidwood sorted it all out because he's very smart yeah he's he's super smart even whatever um i there was something that was really funny this is kind of an actually i'll save that for the video um the the oh it's it's a nitpick but it's it's amusing i think you'll all find it very funny whenever this video eventually comes out uh the the gauntlet thanos just forgets that he has a free arm when he's fighting with uh with captain america and thaw like he's trying to hold because thaw's trying to stab him or something or he's holding his hands and cap grabs him and he has a one hand free and he just doesn't realize that he has a free but as soon as he uses it he beats them both because he forgot that he had a hand it's really weird there's even a full shot where you can see that his hand is free and he does nothing with it it's really stupid it kind of feels like they didn't even know that that was like when they were filming it on set they didn't realize what they'd done i guess none of the animators said hey um i've been working on Thanos for the last 12 hours um he's just got a free hand here yeah just pointing that out to you guys it's just i mean i'll do it i mean i i i that's a paycheck for me cash but just want to let you guys know maybe y'all missed it and when you were doing it but uh yeah it's kind of a kind of a big deal kind of makes something i really like is with the gauntlet they make the worst possible choice because they just deliver it to Thanos the amount of options they have first of all get that thing out of there and you got a lot of options doctor strange captain marvel like you got a lot of options get that part of the hell out of there by frost out of there we know that we know that Thor can still use the by frost you you got a lot of options to get that the hell out of there um and and i think what i like a lot as well as get getting it through the time machine that's not possible you need the little wrist thing to go there and back and captain marvel doesn't have it in fact nobody has it all of the people who are delivering the gauntlet none of them are involved in the time heist so like except for clint so there was no ability to get it back in time you don't have any pimp particles i still i always like to comment and i do it every time because it just fucking i think of the reason i'm so passionate about this because i thought about in the cinema when it was happening when they send captain marvel to go back with it i just wanted like pretend for a second it would work she she dodges Thanos she goes into the machine first of all where is it sending her i don't know yeah i don't know where it sends it she get back she arrives let's pretend for a second it drops her where they went to originally the event just timeline whatever 2012 she drops in and she's holding the gauntlet in the middle of new york city and she's just like right uh now what what do i do how does she even get back what the fuck it's not possible i don't know why that was the plan i don't know what in the world any of them thinking is there any reason to believe that Thanos can't just run in after her and if that happens then she's in a lot more trouble god um but but there's that and captain marvel has no idea where she's going um and also like captain marvel can fly at the speed of light so she shouldn't have even been able to be stopped from getting into the time machine but she's flying a lot slower than she actually can um and also here's here's a thought um take the stones out of the gauntlet and destroy the gauntlet and then give each person one stone and then tell them to get the fuck out of there not only does he need to now track down like six people but he can't even use the stones because he has no gauntlet and then just and then just wait it out and kill him and then you're totally fine like why would you keep them in the gauntlet and fly them towards Thanos what a stupid and and that's like the key thing is i am okay with them not making the most optimal choice but throughout this film they make the absolute worst choices that they could possibly make the worst not to mention choices that you just you don't get why they made those choices you just like why no well we know why because they wanted those scenes where they have these payoffs but it's it's all it's it's crap like it's it's really bad i get it's so weird to me when people say i'm glad i stopped at endgame the statement should be i'm glad i stopped at infinity war yeah and by the way infinity war does end it has an ending it's not a happy one it's a it's a cool ending though i would have preferred that yeah so it's a bit of a rough sort of like yeah we can you could even argue that the mc was all about like the heroes coming through and pulling it out all the time but then that last story is about how one big argument told them apart and yeah and they lost him it was a huge repercussion and it just ends the story and if you want to watch part two you can but you know isn't it established that mortals can't hold the stones i mean you can just have like tony make something out of his suit to take the stones out because he used technology to put the stones in the problem is there's a couple of references right so the soul stone can be held by anybody apparently absolutely the power stone is the one you got to worry about that's the one you can't hold in this case you just you have to build one of those old containers and that shouldn't be too hard which i believe that tony can do we're at avengers HQ and also his suit is super advanced he's got a lot of options here that he's not using the mind stone and plus dr strange can levitate all of these stones out of their holsters you don't even need equipment he can do it and and this is like this is just super safe like there is much less risk involved in this plan then flying it towards where thanos's army is by the way dr strange too like we're worried about whether or not that'll be well written it's really tough because dr strange is already really hard to write for powerful yeah he's not just super powerful he's super smart we're supposed to you know wander's going to be stronger than him so hey at least at least he you know we got that a protagonist i don't even the best person in the world i don't know what they're going to be doing in terms of that like well i don't know because it's funny a lot of people a lot of people in the comments like whenever you see people talking about how wander got away with crime they're like oh she's supposed to be the villain i'm not convinced that marvel no universe recognizes that she's a villain dude we can absolutely she's gonna get her kids back that's gonna be her pay yeah yeah yeah they give her they give her a little bit of a hero at worst yeah tiny little finger wag and then yeah which is fucking insane compared to what she did yeah like for reference john walker killed one terrorist in the heat of battle and he is condemned more so than somebody who held an entire town including children mentally hostage for weeks torturing them all the while remind everybody they cry as they're captured in their particular things and she doesn't let the children out of their rooms beg for death and one of the oh yeah exactly she says if you won't let us live just kill us they'd rather be dead they really shouldn't have fucking had them say that i don't know why would you have to say that if wander's not going to be the villain exactly when we were talking about wandavision we were saying that it was like it was like it was written by two different people simultaneously like tag-teaming lines and they weren't communicating with each other it was like they were playing garlic phone but with a figure which we got to do that again soon i mean yeah metal's about to hit okay followers he said he wanted to do it for the oh yeah we'll do it without a bucket it's it's just oh and it's interesting if someone's pointing that out that's what the red room is and drakoff is is uh is a villain rightly so yeah yeah but wonder isn't even though you bring that up considering the prison thing like black widows yeah done even fucking i've watched a few reviews of black widow they are not talking about that i think a lot of people are looking over it completely we're gonna talk about it though i'm yeah we might say that for later but this is what we're talking about like john walker was condemned for doing something that was questionable at worst yeah at the most it was quite yeah at the most it was questionable meanwhile black widow was considered a hero for doing something very villainous extremely villainous outright torture and our new black widow was laughing as it happened so that's an awesome start that our new black widow laugh that are killing innocent people oh yeah that was that's bad what is it with like heroes where we have them laughing while murdering people it's really weird captain america doesn't like laugh while he's killing people you know it'd be really weird if he did i guess remember how like drones it would be okay well yeah if they were like well when he killed the ultron robots he made jokes but they're ultron robots or like aliens oh i remember beings he he throws one of the robots he throws one off like a thing when it's trying to threaten him and he does a joke he's like what's that they didn't catch that he didn't finish yeah that's right um i remember when there was like stories where heroes would actually actively try to save the villains a lot of disney heroes did this well they try to fucking try that shit in black widow remember when she jumps on her trying to stab it black was like no i'm trying to save you no well i guess it's just interesting to think about because there are so many examples like disney disney did this i was thinking about this and there were some references when i was working on my script for the disney remake thing like in uh in tazan tazan tries to save clayton when he's cutting all the vines and eventually hangs himself he does yeah he does because you know superhero man and of course um simba spares scar and then scar uses that as an opportunity to betray him and even then simba doesn't kill him he just defends himself yeah it's a it's a thing that a lot of the disney stuff did where it's like we are super aware of like moral culpability and they're working really hard to make sure that our heroes aren't morally culpable yeah a lot of the villains undo themselves yeah they'll kill themselves by accident usually yeah it's it's a common one they'll be a victim of their their own um not evilness essentially yeah exactly um going back to snow white yeah and i mean and the only examples we have where like the heroes kill them is situations where it's totally justified like when eric drives the ship into ursula she's about to kill ariel it's it's totally justified or um when prince charming throws the sword into a maleficent it's like she's about to try and kill you it's cool um but it's just interesting to think about how we've gone backwards in this regard if only pistol whip was there in that scene yeah our home coming is a good example spider-man does this a lot he usually doesn't kill a villians ramy movies did this where like usually the villain kills themselves it's a really good way of just getting like that moral accountability and it's just not going to be a problem um but meanwhile we're in this weird state where like the really heinous villains get let go by the hero well i mean wonder woman's a great example the the person who creates poisons to poison people in really violent ways she gets to live but the conscripts deserve to die it's this really bizarre thing where it's like can you just commit one way or another yeah yeah they almost seems cruel to kill doctor poison you're like really just like the fact that she had a choice and those conscripts didn't they're just fighting in a war that there's nothing to do with them really but i we've said it before we'll keep saying it morality is currently fucking broken in mainstream stories i don't know what the hell's going on um yeah i guess we'll talk about it next week more in depth but melina frustrates the hell out of me as a character in black widow she's a horrible piece of shit um but she's spared by the storyline quite significantly actually i feel like black widow almost gets spared with the with the drakoff's daughter thing you know yeah literally edit her into freedom at the end well yeah just like oh i'm sorry it's like it would have been a lot better if taskmaster was like nah fuck you oh yeah taskmaster is drakoff's daughter i mean i don't know how many people are gonna care i don't know yeah well there are probably a lot of people who will care because taskmaster is not drakoff's daughter in the comics he is his own person well in the movie even if this uh character didn't exist in comics like in the movie by itself like what a shitty pawn hmm oh yeah taskmaster sucks in black widow yeah then you add on top of that the fact that he's got such a cool legacy from the comics and you're like wow why'd you why'd you guys do that i didn't mean to imply people don't care about taskmaster i meant to imply people don't care about like the mcu or black widow specifically whatever but i think that is always going to be a way to piss him off so for example i don't care about the mcu and then someone's like have you seen the the new fantastic four there's a fucking galactus has finally been baited and they're gonna be like oh do you want to hmm and then they find out like yeah galactus is a guy in a suit and and they call him gal like he's just he's a businessman now you're like what it's like yeah and he's got a little symbol for his company and it matches the helmet for galactus the fuck are they no you're like you're only gonna be disappointed yeah i wonder if that'll be the the issue and fantastic for dr doom ends up actually being the protac well it's john watts he's he's a lot better than uh i'll go a lot more faith in him than i do a lot of the other i was just kind of funny we're the only people that have faith in john watts i know but like i don't know man if he if he doesn't like if the character stuff is good and far from and uh no way home like i'll be looking forward to fantastic for for all of its issues yeah if he can really now like the spider-man arc and get us to where i just were expecting spider-man to go the people who made the three tv shows they're all getting movie shit and it's like that's really fucking annoying if someone's like oh god the guy who made homecoming and far from home gets to have no way home i'll be like yeah i don't know that's fantastic for it like and then i mean like oh you get some ruin fantastic four as well i feel like i give him a shot jesus i don't know give him a chance he's doing all right um especially considering that far from home was probably quite difficult as a project to work on i imagine there's a lot he wasn't told or didn't know about well we have that confirmed for like falcon the winter soldier they weren't told if cap was alive right and i guess that's what i mean is like if he didn't even know certain information it's like man that that would have been really tough as a project to write um i don't know about no way home maybe there were things like are you gonna do multiverse or something well we know for falcon and the winter soldier that the writers weren't told about the status of captain america yeah that's why i bring it up it's just um there's a lot that is kept secret from uh in different projects looking exactly what i just said happening but um but on that point though yeah for reference guys the the uh the writer for one division wrote black widow or at least in part was involved in that the person who wrote lowkey is writing doctor strange too and the people the people yeah people who wrote uh falcon winter soldier they get he is the writer for captain america four and it's probably gonna be a thing that just repeats father projects as well of like just getting more and more because they're successful and you know what like being nice and cynical i'd be like if i'm in up in that chain of command and in the company and they're like yep taskmaster is done now i'd be like you guys fucking nuts that was that was a character we needed as a villain for a while it's like plenty to squeeze showing up and then that is you know that is a that's a reusable villain based on the powers it's a very reusable villain if they like dr doom will arrive in the fantastic four movie and be defeated no no i i i really hope that they're not gonna do that and it seems like they're becoming less keen on doing that that they're gonna keep people around like but yeah that imagine if they had doom and i don't think they will i don't think you've got to keep doing around he's got to be like a big villain for the for a whole phase he's gonna be in multiple films even like he should be in multiple films dr doom is awesome can be awesome both of his outings haven't exactly been uh that's that's true and the funny part is like i feel like he gets away with it where a lot of things don't his name it doesn't strike cringe in my heart whenever i hear it i'm like hey dr doom i like dr doom victor von doom but it's like it should strike cringe into you shouldn't it is like it probably should it probably should it's just charming it's charming isn't it and i really whenever i think about the way he looks and what his deal is i don't know i like dr doom it's it's hard to hard to be critical of it i really hope they do something for him good god jean carlo esposito that'd be cool would that he's just villain and everything make him dr doom that piss everyone off because he's not white well i don't think i don't think it would because he's such a cool he's such a great actor that i feel like i mean that's i know that we would feel that way we'd be like fucking i don't care it's like nail it buddy or brine prancing that'd be really cool yeah yeah oh god stop getting excited because i'll immediately be like no it'll be terrible stop yeah like that that'd be really cool he should have been like sleuther absolutely he probably could have fucking pulled something out of bvs watching oh god imagine imagine he was written the same and given the same direction of god i don't think i could watch brine cranson doing gsi's and birds like weird yeah he might be able to pull it off though he reminds me of the same thing we have with the superman we were like oh it'd be nice to see him fucking save a cat entry same thing i just want to see a normal lex luther at this point can i just see a competent rich businessman person who enacts plans to subvert superman because he doesn't believe he should have the power he has show me that there's another one charles dances dr doom or like i was actually about to suggest that he's a bit he's he's actually like an older scientist who's super smart yeah yeah that'd be cool yeah that could be cool um that would really be down for that or he could be the new he could be the new magneto i don't know if he's oh yeah so the only thing about that is they're probably gonna want a really long longevity for their uh magneto they're gonna want him around for a while i assume man it's gonna be it's gonna be so hard for whoever has to be zavier and magneto because we had two excellent castings for both of those characters wow yeah wolverine good luck my friend like it's gonna be real you know what uh dougry scott is free so let's let's do it get him his wolverine yeah that'd be cool that would actually genuinely revitalize him as an actor he's like all right yeah this is my chance this is my chance to shine i'd like you know you're whoever's doing the movie let's just put out your job lots whatever it is like all right i've seen batwoman i know you didn't give a shit okay that's fine but like you have to care for the grace god yeah i'd love to see that great first off what to do oh great don't tempt me with all these great casting choices i'm actually really going to be wasted probably yeah what's it carl urban is wolverine i can see it well we can't do it now though he was uh he was already in the mcu i don't care true but it was a smaller role we could probably wow that's true because they had uh jemma chan was in miss mile up in in captain marvel and she's going to be in the turn also she got to but she was blue it's a lot easier to come she was blue that is correct yeah i suppose we'll see the turn it was i don't know about that one you know an ironic fucking top based casting you have bring punisher in and you have do grace god play him with his then he's got just all days of eagles oh that'd be really cool and you you keep the history vague enough that it is implied batwoman is his history that he's just come over here i used to have two daughters he's uh he's it from like most of us here fuck it do it i say this is if i wonder if people will be like bring back you know john benthol i think is his name right i think they would want him back yeah i'd be cool with him did his series get cancelled i can't remember yes they all got cancelled all the netflix shows are done oh well i think i think uh you could do uh willam defoe i think he'd make a good dr doom probably could i mean i guess the fact is especially after lighthouse that guy is uh oh he's so good he's so willam defoe is an excellent actor yeah he's he's fantastic he's too busy being in uh aquaman though god what a lame fucking role he's too busy trying to convince aquaman to take up his mother's trident take up your mother's trident they are making aquaman too right now aren't you guys so excited oh yeah yeah i wonder how many people are gonna kill this time yeah i wouldn't be surprised if they actually have to craft a story that ends in a huge war again like because they know that that's what they want well they're probably yeah they probably will it's uh it's probably gonna be really not stupid movie yeah homecoming was great homecoming was great why did that come up small scale story about character is in small scale it was so good and it was small scale very relatable nice intimate story um okay what are we like like no way home is not going to be small scale at all is it no that one's going to be massive it's gonna be so fucking weird to see toby maguire's spider-man on screen oh my god yeah there he is i wouldn't say pizza time pizza all right well i wonder if how many memes are gonna be in it oh like if he does a dance move or two oof that that'd be funny though wouldn't it at this point i'm super worried yeah well so the thing i'm the most curious about i don't know about you guys but uh i've heard rumors that he's the one that's gonna die out of the spider-man yeah which makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways spider-man yeah well because andrew andrew gofffield will be in it too your favorite from the tazamovies ranks well i mean i like fine yeah i think he's a flying spider-man yeah i think the writing was just horrific for those movies i mean i don't know anybody i place none of the blame against andrew garfield he's my favorite from those movies i don't know like i assumed it was for you guys as well actor in those movies i mean i i kind of like him in them i don't really like much of anything else in those like i don't like jamie fox's elector i think he's cringe as fuck i think he's very cringe um i think he's looking back to this one as well yeah he is uh we'll see what john watson's got for him i guess um but of course the lizard guy i thought he was fine uh and then the harry odds balloon i thought he was fine and that's it for heroes and antagonists i think wasn't a fan of the lizard design but the actor yeah i think it was welsh as well 10 points yeah um so yeah i think he's gonna die uh and and the theory right now is like oh what will they do in that death scene what will he tell holland spider-man will he tell him that with great power comes great responsibility and that is uncle well you know that that's what's up i know that again if if he does that high top will say it's his second favorite spider-man film of all time probably but but what i would love and it would be so funny and i'm pretty sure you mentioned them all it would be like my uncle told me that and then peter says yeah tony told me something similar yeah i mean it's literally the make or break scene it could honestly be whatever he ends up saying in that scene and the thing is if enough people say we want to see him with an uncle it's like they'll do it i guess right if enough people say i don't know i feel like it's just gonna prove our point either way like we'll be fine we'll be sitting here like oh man everyone loved it because he mentioned uncle bed you guys are at least now people can stop shitting on the mcu spider-man for shitty reasons they mentioned uncle bed he's been respected that's a little beam gun but um yeah i don't know that move is gonna be wild from what i understand the idea is going to be that the multiverse has opened up and dr strange is trying to capture a bunch of spider-man enemies that keep like jumping around and he needs peter's help if that is going to be the premise i'm not sure how they're gonna deal with um the identity stuff wow everyone i know i think in the comics didn't didn't dr strange help spider-man after civil war i think maybe chat yeah he raised the entire world's identity except for mary jane who jumped into the bubble that was that meant that they were immune from the memory erasing spell yeah it's uh maybe that'll happen then like literally that maybe i don't know if they'll do it exactly the same but um but yeah maybe who knows i'm i just i'm i'm hoping to see and be happy with willem defoe coming back as green goblin do we know that he's back well he's been very boy about certain things when he was asked what he's been doing recently he said um i i uh all will be revealed um um in time when when the chips are ready to something like that you know just like when interested parties are ready to reveal uh yeah that's amusing you just well the fact that they've got this much stuff you just like god i wonder what else they've got i wonder if there's gonna be surprises in terms of because there's that weird theory that uh Hugh jackman's wolverine's gonna show up for camia i imagine that not all this is gonna be true but you'll be interested to see what is true yeah it just sounds like this movie in particular because i'm pretty sure dead evil has been rumored to be in spider-man for like a long time for months everyone just wants to see him show up as his lawyer that's whatever one i want to see that yeah fuck yeah yeah wouldn't be so awful if they say matt murdoch is your representing you and he goes matt murdoch and then the door opens and it's not charlie cox it is charlie cox right oh if it's not charlie cox i will be so upset that i'll be so that'd be funny but i would be so and i don't think they will i think they know that i i i think i think it's almost like the thing dead evil was more recognized than the other netflix shows so i think that means he's got a better chance than anybody of not being they have both stare devils yeah that was pretty funny actually well surely this obsession with trying to give people just what they want willy nilly in a way surely it'll pay off in our favor eventually well this is kind of the funny thing right because this is all the stuff we've been complaining about all the jangly key stuff and i'm just like yeah but um john watson might be able to write it in a way that's more meaningful than they literally just show up up because it's the thing about the multiverse and that like yeah it gives you access to all this stuff so i guess it's all justified narratively now big quotation marks on that one we'll have to see what they do um pre morphat doctor who is the only good doctor who i mean i jumped out with i found is right and to be frustrating um i haven't watched a single mcu movie oh wait that's all we just went over um as a sam's club worker the thing i dreaded most was if it doesn't scan that means it is free right you're not clever for saying this oh yeah i have plenty of people say that when you're trying to get it to like the machine to fucking react to what you're doing and then they're like oh does that mean it's free i'm just sitting there like no you don't get to have oh i got you yeah come i wouldn't say come that's that's one of those things would be like oof that's a bad move you shouldn't have said come to the customer never encourage the customers to come yes or to come again sure but not just to the first time perhaps hi mules rags fringy j and mr meme where's the german is he still binding isaac he had a friend over today he was actually uh able to come on well he would have been on had he not had a friend so you know that that's a lesson for you don't have friends everyone hunt down middle's friends yes oh wait i would conclude me fuck if that movie's jojo rabbit for war rock pretty please um i think it's too good i'm not sure yeah well we've done good ones before but i i know i just not sure i always imagine how would the commentary go like hmm i'm not sure if that one works there were people in them in the comment section saying that the uh the one for extraction did not work that we shouldn't have done that for you for movies and i was like i don't know i thought that worked really well you can never know specifically definitively uh jsexy misogynist oh my god um the timeline is getting eaten by goliath it all makes sense now well it's a lyeth not go lyeth even though the first time they say it i was almost certain they said goliath and i was like oh wow which kind of would tie in with no the lyeth is another character he gets killed by robot thorn civil war oh goliath is out there somewhere what does goliath do what's his thing he gets big whoa isn't that apocalypse his thing yeah that's my thing that was so disappointed when apocalypse was battling quicksilver in the movie and he beats him because he just makes mud grab him makes the ground double off his foot yeah it's like okay that maybe sucks yeah that's a part apocalypse was the first x-men movie that i watched it i was with smiler in the cinema and we were just laughing at loads of it it was it was like i x-men's done it's done well logan came out afterwards that was that was cool well the thing is that logan feels like a um almost like a spin-off because it's so an idea that someone almost like joker is just like yes yeah yeah which um was who made logan again uh james man yeah the guy's doing indiana joins five oh gosh yeah he oh he had some things on twitter and i think he's lost all it will now he got into an argument on twitter which is bizarre for a director involved in like a hundred millionth old production it does feel really weird i'm not even sure how to define the weirdness there i guess it's like like why would it be okay for you guys to get in arguments on twitter but not for a multimillion-dollar director and just like um i guess i don't expect that that's all i suppose he can be pissed off at one person saying yeah like it's not like that's wrong i don't think is what he was saying was pretty cringe i think it's just unexpected you don't expect somebody who's involved in a production like that to be on twitter engaging with uh the audience in debates yeah i think i think is that tied in with what he said specifically because if they'd simply interact it i don't think any people would say it's kind of cool like chris mcquarie does that and um mike flanagan just like us that's true but when you do like wow the the place you record your podcast looks like really shitty like you're in your mom's basement you'd be like wow sorry for my humble beginnings my dude it just you're immediately maybe it's more specifically what he said because it just i remember reading it being like oh man this okay i don't feel i don't feel great um hi rags fringo mutually all other apex homosexual oids hello uh if you throw a baby into a swimming pool is the baby swimming or drowning um i guess we have to just uh wait and see yeah the answer depends on a baby what if it's a baby human probably probably drowning uh if it's a baby fish or a baby seal maybe something like that maybe we all right a baby duck you know i think they'll be all right depends mm-hmm invincible is a two out of ten some cool ideas and strong performances but tons of bad dialogue and nonsensical story beats oh my goodness as time goes on people start to go down well i think people are still pretty positive about it but the what i would say you're right on is that progression with the super chat specifically yeah people have been super chatting about that show since it came out and it's just been progressively getting worse in terms of reviews um yeah we we've still not seen it who knows when we may or may not uh what happens if the tva sends an ego variant what is the evil fart cloud going to do to a whole planet well so this the why i don't understand um which is something i say a lot with with loki it says it basically pushes all of the stuff that didn't get deleted to the end of the end of time so what does that mean and what are we looking at here like what are the limits could it fail to delete a planet in which case does the planet just drop on top of the gas cloud man like what the fuck yeah i don't get it how is that i mean like what about a city does the city fall and just like does it appear off right up the ground or how do you how is there enough room it almost feels like something they wrote after they'd already written the first four episodes ish what they they had the idea to use the drama of getting melted and then they wanted to take it away and say no actually we're all good it's fine yeah it doesn't actually kill you it does this instead what are you worried about so yeah i feel like it was never gonna make any sense at all and i don't know how the fuck any of it works um but if ego was to eat the wrong hamburger one day and then they arrive and they're like you just went off the fucking trail buddy and they zap him and the whole planet gets zapped i guess or they put the grenade down and he ends up in you know spooky willed then he gets to fight a lyreth i don't know what is a lyreth power level probably pretty high couldn't think i was gonna let beat it i would imagine that it could be that yeah you can just touch it mind control it so it's yeah that's so fucking dumb by the way a lyreth is overpowered by your this is the thing loki is powerful loki is a god but in the grand scheme of things power level wise he should be outclassed by that thing like a thousand times over i don't know why loki's are able to destroy the universe or whatever yeah eater of time okay yeah because that you can learn magic apparently according to them just spontaneously so like any random person then the or do you have to be as guardian like they haven't made that clear it just it just it baffles me that someone could casually learn magic and defeat the eater of space and time at the end of time i okay it's sort of i don't that's the thing there's so much mistrust when it comes to this writing when i see something i don't believe you when you tell me something i don't believe you when something's implied i don't believe you you're writing i don't believe anything you tell me um i've been meaning to play soma for a while now but wanted to ask if you recommend mouse and keyboard or controller also you guys played hey word yeah i would say mouse and keyboard definitely for soma keyboard yep i have not played hades but i've seen a lot of it i have not played it either looks neat good things anytime bucky could actually walk to the chip in the winter soldier instead of suddenly crawling he got melted by the fart dragon yeah he had to fall over and reach for it he couldn't just grab it the big reveal has been in the trailer loki is in the castle they're setting up 2012 loki to be the loki that dies in endgame loki is in the castle that was the first thought i had that was it was going to be an evil loki is behind it all and that's going to bring the arc for our main loki to a closure that he sees like the worst version of himself or whatever um but i also think that there's a lot of credence to kang the conqueror being the one that's behind it as well i well just considering that they want to set up other movies yeah and they don't defeat him they simply you know deconstruct the tva especially with own wilson to go going back with whatever he's doing ah jay has returned to us happy day now kick jay all right done i recently rewatched doctor strange and they say that their magic draws power from the multiverse the fact that fact gets completely destroyed by loki yep oh you're right oh yeah of course because there are different dimensions now they're just gonna say that they were wrong the whole time wasn't it wasn't a dark dimension is what the house yes it was for the dark dimension that's right there's only one dimension yeah where was dormamu fucking died what if if dormamu does something that's off script do they how do they like dormamu they just gotta let bygones be bygones and move along i've come to melt you god damn so stupid the thing is though i just i do believe we we've we've post that stuff now to the point where there should be like whatever you're like yeah but it doesn't make sense like yeah we're dealing with all it doesn't none of it makes sense you know and that attitude is going to take over i think um going to well um the attitude that we've been going with for a while is that they will cry and try and make sense of it and be like oh you know oh well i guess we fucked it up but at this point i think they're just gonna be so far beyond it it'll be like it's never made sense and never will shut up and like yeah i guess you win once you make enough stuff that doesn't make sense there's no point in making sense anymore i guess which is not even how i feel about it i think there's always time to repair and you get the right writer in who's like you know what i want to actually want this to have stakes so i'm gonna make it make sense why they detect anomalies the lizards have to be laplace's demon because sacred timeline but then they already know when anomalies will happen laplace's demon yeah i don't know about i'm about determinism uh but i forget let me let me look it up i think it's uh uh i think it's laplace i'm not sure oh it could be yeah um in the history of science laplace's demon was a notable published articulation of causal determinism on a scientific basis by pierre simon simon simon i don't know laplace in 1814 according to determinism if someone the demon knows the precise location and momentum of every adam in the universe their past and future values for any given time are entailed they can be calculated from the laws of classical mechanics so basically depths um so there's so there are humans against it uh thermodynamic irreversibility quantum mechanical irreversibility chaos theory cantor diagonalization and uh some other stuff uh there has recently been proposed a limit on the computational power of the universe it has the ability of laplace's demon to process an infinite amount of information the limit is based on the maximum entropy of the universe the speed of light and the minimum amount of time taken to move by the du du du it's complicated not uh very uh i don't know too much about it myself but i'm sure someone can uh but yeah i there you go that's laplace's demon well so to read that again why do they detect anomalies the lizards have to be laplace's demon because sacred timeline but then they already know when anomalies will happen can we say they know when anomalies will happen or that they simply react to them when they detect it because they've stretched out a timeline that they it consider sacred but then somehow because every every moment in time is in real time like it's still happening always it can still change yeah uh you could always go to wherever you want um it's yeah because like Loki's birth for example is constantly happening and sometimes he's a girl and they have to change that which to me just don't get it it's a weird world yeah uh recently got told i'm favor of eugenics just because i disagreed that looks are mostly subjective never thought i'd be compared to movie bob if you want so like mostly subjective there must be a referring to like appealing to like symmetricality and stuff i guess or health um i there's a there's an evolutionary reason why we generally tend to find more some things that more attractive than others and that's also cultural as well yeah um so but but yeah i would say that's the in the category of uh subjective especially because those can change over time the things that you find attractive absolutely change over time and you can to a degree influence the things that you find attractive though i wouldn't call you a eugenicist if you try to argue that there are ways to break down attractiveness objectively or something i should be interested to hear what you have to say yeah i i i think there's absolutely stuff to talk about there and explore there and we can talk about why do we find this thing attractive why do we find this thing attractive what are the results of how uh populations can change over time based on i mean it's it's sexual selection is what that is that's it's an absolutely known phenomenon in nature it absolutely happens and humans are not immune to it um it is a thing that happens manifests itself in different ways depending on the species and their level of cognitive function makes me wonder how james gun is going to handle new gamora hopefully much better handled than anything else so far i have more faith in him more than any of the creators we've had in in these shows james gun absolutely absolutely it's like easily no question in my mind if suicide squad turns out to be great then i think at this point you can just bank on him doing good stuff yeah i feel like that's easy he's almost a sure thing if the suicide squad is good yeah uh hi rags if my bathroom is connected to my bedroom and i'm dropping a deuce with my bathroom door open and bedroom door closed am i still pooping with the door open yes you are all right uh also hello to you fine gents and j oh hello carry on yeah um i thought you were gonna elaborate on the uh the door i mean unless there's pushback i i don't i don't think there will be but i mean if you specify the bathroom door being closed or open it's like the the question answered itself at that point you know uh yeah if it's specifically to prevent anyone from seeing you maybe an argument could be made yeah i don't especially if you live alone that's just not really an issue uh yeah that point you could expand it to the house front door right yeah and similarly bathrooms can have windows as well um yeah people can see through that so someone could be they wouldn't be it would not be a low enough generally window to see your actual you know evacuation uh unless maybe they were really really high up like maybe a squirrel on a tree he's watching you uh pooping you know but um yeah when you said evacuation was that a reference was that just casual to pooping well see the reason i say is that a reference and don't give you the references to know whether or not it was a reference because you'd say the thing but i'm guessing you just yeah okay i just it was only one of the time i've had someone refitted evacuation i'm like low i'm doing the thing that loki should do which is keeping his true power level sort of a secret oh because i'm i know you've referenced the movie before i just can't remember if you have seen it now so are you referencing a movie or not oh who knows who knows who knows smaller who knows maybe i am maybe i'm not not sure if it's the kind of movie that i want everybody to know that i've been looking at you know it's pretty uh i mean i wouldn't i wouldn't even hesitate i love the movie yeah well some of us can't be so risque mm-hmm well nobody in chats mentioned the movie yeah so is this a buffy thing again no it doesn't seem buffy no i i do know what uh unless we're thinking of two different movies but you know what that's fine it sounds like we are uh it's like i said it's the only time i've seen it referenced this way and i it's very funny to me but if there's some other spookier movie you're thinking of there's someone in chat's got it now all right we're good um i really liked lowkey dib obia oh perry he was very charismatic with little time and i could see a lot of potential with him rather than rather him than foe lowkey i'd rather any of them than the lowkey we have literally i will take the the weird vote for me lowkey guy uh easily like i just just give me that guy i don't know you with with how he was defeated by his own man whatever i don't fucking know just yeah i'll take him uh get ready to have your feelings stolen chat i don't i think they were on board the lowkey stuff it was rick and morty where everyone shat the bed yes mcu took two of my favorite villains ultron and task master made him poop yes it did um sucks because the villains are no less important uh than the heroes in terms of getting them right in terms of pretty meaningful stories so much potential lost uh you guys should watch nobody for efat movies i'm on board with that it feels like that might be a movie that would work and i've heard good things or if the uh the car up here that is good i don't know you can only hope best and worst things about alien three for me best is the music and the ending worst is the blue screen alien effects thoughts on the assembly cut um i have mixed feelings on alien three a lot of stuff i like a lot of stuff i hate i of course retain a lot of animosity for the choice of which characters they execute on opening but um it's a hell of a lot better than prometheus alien covenant and alien resurrection so it's you know it's something to consider i guess but uh i don't know um i i need to watch the assembly cut again i guess um task mistress had to tackle black widow and let her take the parachute or else she'd get melted yeah yeah good point you see rags there's no such thing as australia for you that says there's no you're a good baller you used me that's a good meme yeah bringing once mentioned tf2 has the worst writing now as a fan i can power through that movie but tf4 made me want to extinct myself comics and tv shows are better uh but even they have some tizm so it's transformers i guess i don't know it has to be transformers because that could be misread as team fortress 2 that's what i thought it was at first but i was like why it has very strong writing i don't believe for a second that you would think tf2 is bad writing yeah tf2's got amazing writing yeah the soundtrack is awesome tf2 was just a really fucking cool game i think oh did all of us play that i'm assuming we did i have played much of the team fortress to my i never i never got into it maybe it wasn't really my thing i just couldn't could stick with it i had a whole tf2 era i love playing through all the peoples my exposure to it is mostly through like the external stuff so the the the cartoons the comics anyway though transformers yeah all i remember is they all suck except for the first one maybe that's that's all i remember the first one maybe yeah who knows because i fucking i haven't seen that since it came out all i remember is when i was much younger my sister was like you got to see the trailer of transformers and i was like why you gotta see it and it's like the helicopter that's just chilling out and then it starts making all the noises and it turns into the giant robot it starts fucking with everybody and i was like oh my god this looks amazing that wore off um also i'll be right back but yeah i i i was transformed was to the one that got fucked by the right of strike yes that that was written in like a couple of weeks still better than my widow i guess it it you know what it might be it might be terrible as i remember that probably doesn't assassinate sam woodwicky well yeah what is that it was sas but still op damas yeah i remember about that then he went nuts yes it's kind of crazy that taskmaster is better in spider-man video game when he has a third or fourth tier villains in that game than the main villain in an mcu movie well yeah he's a side villain in that game he's not even like so he's optional it's worth mentioning that as much as the trailers say it's the case it is not the case that taskmaster is the main villain of black widow fucking drake of and taskmaster are barely the fucking main villains most of the movie just concerns like set pieces that sometimes they might be a part of it's kind of frustrating to be honest they can drink his review he was like ray winston plays drake of and you see him in this opening it's like get used to not seeing him for another fucking hour and a half it's like yeah pretty much doesn't show up again until the final thing and and i don't know that i wouldn't want to put any rules down as to like oh you should have your villain show up more than that but i don't know i think it affected his presence i would probably say that categorically just like oh here he is i guess um isn't angry joe a big fan of you mola i don't think so he liked my tlj videos i don't know that he's kept up with any of my other stuff um the thing is i'm way more interested in actually trying to figure out what his standards are like i'd love to talk to him about that rather than simply saying he's like useless because it seems to me that he's just so much better when it comes to games than he is with films games yeah he's a lot better with video games is it simply that he spends more time with the games is that it i'm sure i don't know definitely a more involved process by the looks of it because with the film he's probably just sitting down and like giving his first impressions as the review while with the video game reviews you're gonna really analyze it we've talked about it before but it does seem like people have higher standards for games than they do films and maybe with him he's like you know the game has got to do x y z in these different categories with the film if i finish it and i feel good that's it that's all i needed more goo g-fap yeah maybe we can have some more goo i guess rags seem uncomfortable with more goo but i want to defap you want to degoo on the fat yeah i i just i don't want to i think that i don't want to be around this goo until i know no more about it um holding that yeah i think that's very reasonable would it be good enough if ringy told you it you can trust it but without telling you anything specific i don't know i feel like someone we've had this conversation before yeah i feel like a guy who wears a mask all the time has got something to hide i don't know that's i don't know it's me too yeah oh shit son i must keep my snow pure mm-hmm assuming that mine would make it impure you're your hesitation to explain the nature of your goo it it's concerning it's concerning new i'll say be concerned that's fine so why people are not to criticize avengers end game but we can't criticize zack snider's justice league uh so well there's a few things there's a few statements i'm just gonna make so we already have criticized those shit out of both of them as you may know as for the public's general response to both i mean they're both pretty well liked honestly yeah what i've seen so i don't know like how come we can criticize avengers end game but not snider cut i feel like well so the snideroid people they're gonna say snider cut is way better than avengers end game and people need to fucking like you know have that conversation and stuff it's funny because they're operating under the assumption that people think end game is well written and they probably agree with them to a degree while we would be like we agree avengers end game is poorly written they go oh wow and you go it's always snider cut what because i don't which one do you guys which one's worse is it is it end game i think it's tough i think it's tough i know which one i hate more but yeah i hate snider cut i think there's so i think there's there's actually stuff of value in in game but yeah i uh but i don't know what i could really say is good about the snider cut i want it like considered that as much as someone might be like well doesn't end game do more assassinations i'd be like there's a lot of assassinations in snider cut not forget but also i'd you know one of them had assassins like one of them had characters to assassinate and that's a lot of the characters in snider cut they just there wasn't someone to well yeah it amazes me you because i had seen a couple of reviews where they were just be like i love what they did snider did for wonder woman for example and just what the fuck did he do for wonder woman away from her well if we ignore that part because they obviously don't recognize that actually like what scenes are you referring to what growth did she have what was wonder woman's thing because like you know all that shit we saw with her with the arrow and jumping down into the ruins and getting all that pain it's like that did nothing for a character it did barely anything for the plot it's so funny to me it was thinking about how joss we even cut it and it's like of course he cut it it was fucking pointless yeah it was exactly it was pointless accomplished nothing it explained nothing it didn't make the universe better anyway she ends up fucking telling the story to ben naflic anyway it's like why even you know they could have gone there together and had a character moment or something you know that could have been a thing well i want to know i want to be a fly on the wall inside of zack snider skull there's a lot of room and i want to know what were his thoughts on that scene and why it was there and what he wanted it what did he want it to convey was it character stuff was it world building was it i mean i don't know at least that the snider cut gets the accolade because i don't think any film is ever going to beat it out of it's the most bloated film i've ever seen like it has the most useless shit in it which isn't a surprise because it's four hours you almost because i think it's funny that joss we didn't have to cut it down and you probably cut it from four to three hours without losing a single thing and then he was like right now i actually have to start cutting things that i guess you know people might miss the amount of time we see the guy walking around in the opening battle heist scene whatever the bomb i'm gonna blow london back to the dark ages i mean like tuesday when it was overcast worse than that i'm gonna take four city blocks which i wish i had involved in the video but i didn't think about it was as many people in the comment section were like british people do not refer to it as blocks ever and i was like yes that's true i've been to america what did they call it squares it's weird like because i've always found it weird and i think i've always had a memory of diehard with a vengeance i think that was the first movie where i started to think about the fuck does it mean when you're a block away from something what the fuck is that like yeah it's like a city a couple blocks from there yeah like a shape because a lot of them are you know that's the explanation for it that american cities were built that way while british ones typically haven't been because they're like they just uh just stuck you know yeah um but over here we don't really say there's that many blocks away or should be like it's i'm trying to think of what language i would use as i was like i think streets i probably just say streets like it's too down that street turn left down that street sort of thing oh city blocks shitty blocks uh love what you guys did i don't know oh wait what did you say i've just seen that video of zack snider reacting to zombie game reveals and it's just like oh that's cool uh or or my favorite blank stare as i just um screenshot it there i just can't get over the fact there's so many people who think he's like a genius no i don't know does anyone smart think he's smart no no no but the people who do think he's a genius just blows my mind because um you know there are videos talking about how incredible we've we've covered them and then the comment section we fill the people being like you know it's incredible how many people misunderstand his work he's like a vision i don't know how it's possible to misunderstand his perk we we spoke directly with somebody who's like a sicker fan for zack snider and they crumbled like fucking paper and underneath any pressure and i just like i don't i think you guys just need a hug box like you really you watch these movies which by the way if they weren't at all connected to the dc canon and this wouldn't be happening like it's just transposed their love for that shit on top of it like its own little thing over there in its thing over there you know bring back night of this gone but not forgotten because people have never done anything because of built-up negative emotions never in history has anything happened because of that never i think is that referring to uh don't when we're talking about that guy saying like you didn't want to make a negative review to leave space for people to be positive about it or something maybe yeah it's a weird notion that you know it's a weird notion but i think it's more common than we realize all would want it to be i mean we know it's common we get told it all the time so you guys just run a podcast we just fucking rant about things forever i'm like oh i'm sorry how about you keep that to yourself you know why you're gonna be so negative about our thing you guys start the negativity it's like i don't know you you're perpetuating the negativity though aren't you i didn't start the negativity i was born in it molded by it molded by it yeah let's say molded i hate that word is still ruined for me what about the word suckle what about the word supple suckle suckle i'm fine with suckle what do you think about it as the name of somebody who helped create wonderlminity full oh you're right dick suckle that's wow what a name fucking change it if that's your name change it maybe he just loves it as a beam he's like maybe he's gonna get hired for a job like what's the name he's like dick suckle and they're like no please sir he's like oh you have to you have to call me dick suckle or it's a hate crime yeah you probably call someone complain like they didn't hire me just because by name that's fucked up please sir this is a library no no more it's not dick suckles headquarters now this is the suckle sanctuary we be suckling here they'll be suckling jay's full of dr who is almost at one a million views congratulations man oh yeah it's uh deserves it it's a really comprehensive video jay has ended the discourse upon whittaker chip and all's doctor at least for seasons 11 and 12 nothing more needs to be said except i agree love all you guys videos i'm wondering if any of you have watched peep show hi i'm oh it's the best british comedy also thanks jay for recommending misfits yeah misfits it's uh at least in the first two seasons it's good shit as a peep show i've seen all of it i think but i haven't seen it now in a while well i saw all of it when it was coming out obviously i don't know if i've seen the latest of but um yeah peep show is a really cool show it's like the gimmick is that we always see everything from someone's perspective um and it creates lots of awkward situations and looks and a lot of the comedies build that way it's very very british i could see why someone would think it's their favorite um i've i've seen that wedding uh that wedding clip because that was like well ahead i think i only watched the first season full but that wedding clip is hilarious there's so many good ones um there's one where like uh the main character is hoping to get with with a girl and she tells him that basically it's never gonna happen you know they can still be friends it's gonna be great whatever and she like leaves the room there it's like the fuck what am i you know like a a break room for like wickers and stuff that's where they are yeah yeah oh right and um he looks around for a little bit he sees a mug i can't remember if the mug is something like he got her as a gift or whatever but he picks it up and he just really pathetically throws it and it smashes on the floor and then he looks up and she's she just comes back in to get it back and just looks at the bug and looks at him and it looks leaves it's like this super awkward he's very angrily through it but he just doesn't say anything if she comes back in and leaves like oh oh the art the the thing with the dog that is really funny it's just turkey ooh overcooked disgusting turkey lots of good shit jay did you like my doctor who trailer i'm making it better i don't i do not know thanks for all the pain you're going through editing the snider cut video meme your sacrifice won't be forgotten i'm actually doing that right now thank you hey see so our super chat doing super chats doesn't slow down the other stuff now he's slaving away right now on it live definitive proof thoughts on kid loki's dagger it looks dull i wouldn't have it myself i think i need to watch that episode again what even why did he give loki another dagger loki can make his own dad i yeah i don't i don't remember why was it a special dagger that makes the fire stuff i guess is that why even though he's a fucking illusionist so it's too hard to think about maybe i'll keep an eye on chat if this what about it he never used it well he he drew it and made it go on fire right that was his thing but then aliyah was like oh she's making all green fucking visuals anyway so i guess i want to look at that you guys ever realize resident evil navy p of the same movie just reworked both of an underground booby trap base and all same director too i can see the similarities if i wouldn't say that the same movie plenty of differences you know and we'll probably cover that on e-fat movies eventually it'll be great also i think i've taken twice the amount of time to beat this super story that is required i worry that i will not be able to uh do it with it the the time it actually requires we'll have to keep trying which is fine because i got plenty of money to have to earn anyway thanks to jay found while looking for cinema since years ago i found e-fap i've been enjoying since e-fap six i've been rewatching too thank you mohler rags and guests from tyrol austria for the entertainment and for helping me think more critically ah you bet yeah man it's uh it's a long man right there i've been since e-fap six it's a long boy that's this oof that's something to be a long child put on your resume i have been an e-fap fan since six there were only five i had to go back and watch oh that only took me a week the brand has gone on for far too long yeah i feel like i have not even really learned these levels in a way that i will be able to beat them that fast they're long this is a short level i think though so this will be the one i make up time on okay even though at this point we're over the time so i should just try and make so much money as i can wow yeah right um if i lived in fringies ideal world where it's considered nice to not be mad someone punched me in the balls i'd drink two gallons of bleach wait what was that something you proposed that it would be an ideal world if someone punched you in the balls and you wouldn't be mad oh i i i have no idea what that's in reference to i can't imagine a scenario where i wouldn't be upset if someone punched my balls because i'm not the kind of person like i'm not into the whole punch my punch a punch a bunch of barter no i'm not into none of that that's something along the lines of like surely it's preferable if like really shitty things can happen to you and it doesn't upset you like you're like unironically just okay no matter what your circumstances are like that's probably preferable as a mindset maybe maybe i said something like that i suppose it's just i would see things there in terms of like right you would want to punish that person in some way right or at least have to have a response even if it didn't hurt at all absolutely yeah because because it's probably not good for my balls to get punched you know well yeah i i guess yeah i want to be upset enough to take action and stop it like i need to be concerned enough and care enough to stop the bad thing from occurring i guess i'm yeah i'm just trying to think of that was something that i ever said i might have said something like that i'm you were probably i feel like you would have been talking about it in terms of stoicism and not like yeah emotional about it i think that's that was because because reality would be it's like well should that person be it'd be like it would be preferable if you weren't upset about it but that wouldn't mean that you wouldn't want to take any action to stop this from happening again in the future not the idea that like you could be tortured and you just be happy with that there is a difference between stoicism and letting people take advantage of you well i mean you should you got to stand up for yourself you know what i mean you do it purely in an emotional way yeah exactly i mean besides the philosophy itself encourages people to participate in the world so like it's not it's not a philosophy of hey shitty things happen and that's okay let it be it'd be the idea of like try to address any problem but do someone away where you're not like miserable or anything like that just try to do the best you can but don't get too emotional about it it's a different thing you have to read up on what they have to say about ball kicking i guess or punching well well i mean how do we have a um have we i guess we can go down the line uh what what's everyone's opinion on cock and ball torture uh fringy where do you stand on a cock and ball torture maybe you need to sit down for that what do you what do you mean like where do i what do i mean by the phrase cock and ball torture well are you asking me if like what are you asking me how do you feel about what's your what's your stance on it what's your what like whether or not it should be allowed just just in general whatever whatever thoughts you feel are worth sharing i i think now is the time to get them out i don't think it's something that people should do that would be that would that would be my answer to that okay uh well well moller what how do you feel i'm on cock and ball torture hi well you know what i don't really take too much issue with any fetish anyone has as long as they're not hurting anyone and they you know maybe limit oh i assume that he was talking about like in a war or something are you right oh my god it's gracious i need to charge you that crimson being at their balls oh my goodness gracious wow oh oh man that's oh my goodness that's terrible oh oh wow that's why i was saying that i wasn't okay with it no i understand i'm i'm with you on that one i uh yeah yeah they do that in casino right now what do you do mean well how do you feel about cock and ball torture not my cup of tea but you know whatever floats your cock and ball yeah yeah oh have at it yeah some people like that some people like it when they just have desk ornaments made of their uh well you know that's fine we can move on all right yeah please fucking hell i think we've never got out of the way so now no one ever now i've saved us uh i've saved us from you know it's super jam future thoughts on cock and ball torture yeah because there it is it's right there not only that wasn't even in a super chat ketchup this was in a mainline primo exclusive premium episode of efab the beta content we see yeah that's right the real good stuff hmm because this right now is entirely dissimilar from a super chat ketchup what's happening right now this is the premium premium premium you need some action i see okay whatever i didn't say you know someone else said it i i didn't approve that you know it's it's fine uh if people like patrick williams and joseph anison uh the university is efab like the trade school or a tech school um we're like that hobo on the street it's like hey i got an idea like oh right mr hobo you're like wow that hobo's got some ideas i will say that he's got some ideas apparently falling eight stories and hitting three different metal structures on the way down won't kill you as long as you strike a cool pose black widow efab when next week saturday yeah your plot armor is astronomical there is so much i have to say about that shitty film uh aliens old tech look on the nostromo is canonized as them being low tech space truckers and prometheus being a high tech science expedition i don't think that really works i don't buy that the lowest tech you can get in our current age is not gonna look like it looks like on the nostromo yeah i just i don't know why you wouldn't take advantage of the of the amazing tech that you created like why would you abandon that people love that about these movies why and it seems like an odd way to distance yourself from the originals yeah and it's super generic relying on them it's all of the you know like projection screens and stuff where you just switch your hand goes back and forth and all the stuff changes yeah yeah yeah feels much more mechanical and deliberate in uh alien there are contractually obligated to put daleks in every season due to copyright belonging to someone else i am serious oh well that actually was something that got discussed yeah hey i i could write a better black widow in 11 days i'd have an easy job just write the budapest mission where clint was sent to kill natasha but didn't i mean a lot of us assumed that would be what it was about i still this optimal strategy was putting that in phase two just have black widow the movie well actually have you there's a clip going around a couple people have shared it i i've seen it now so there's this discussion with all the people from avengers and kevin feige and they're talking about how great it is the black widow's coming out it's gonna be i guess i don't know when when this was recorded but um it's good she's getting the movie could have been from ages ago could have been new i don't know i'm assuming it's not new but um someone says like you know there was a time where uh just just wasn't really considered that a woman could lead you know her own sort of superhero thing he's like yeah and then mark ruffalo goes yeah a lot of people uh didn't think this guy right here and he points to kevin feige he goes this guy thought there was no chance a woman could lead her own movie he's just looking at him like don't say that this looks really fucking awkward mark ruffalo says a lot of stuff that gets him in trouble and i just find that one interesting i like the idea that kevin feige behind closed doors someone was like what about a black widow movie in phase two and he was like nobody's gonna fucking see that i feel like it's it's interesting to think i remember there was a wasn't there a thing in relations like box art on video games where it's like if you put a woman on there they thought that it would do worse um i don't remember hearing about last i remember that was the one that apparently sony fought hard against having ellie on the box art um but naughty dog told him like nah fuck that put her on the box art which obviously is the correct decision considering that she's basically the main character or like at least the most everything sort of revolves around her um i think that's why elizabeth isn't on bioshock infinite cover or why that one is so generic that like man with gun actually just helps you they try to play like man with gun too some people are back and forth and on that on that it's not that harsh of a criticism if true it's i could totally see like a higher up in marvel being like yeah we can't have a female let's super hero movie because i absolutely believe that somebody said that at some point in history who worked in the big studio it's not like i wouldn't jump to the idea that they hate women it's just the fact that they were like i don't know if it's viable and i don't think it's gonna sell no i i i don't think it has anything to do with their personal feelings i think it's oh yeah belief in the that the audience wouldn't be receptive to it and and we're harsh on that idea but like it's not our money that's well i think a big thing is remember prior to like Wonder Woman basically all of the female led superhero movies were massive bombs yeah electro like Catwoman in Electra well then there's the stuff like Aon Flux and um Ultra Violet uh there's a couple yeah yeah you're right and all of those did shit that's the thing um and it's naïve ol eFap over here like you know what though it'd be really good for your story it's like yeah well the thing if you're dealing with like stockholders or whatever else and they're like you've got to release your things and so they for phase two they just repeat phase one it's like we're doing Captain America Iron Man and Thor again um it's like yeah i guess that makes sense there's only phase three that they start to clearly expand and experiment a little bit well the exception of guardians guardians was like their first big risk is that phase two two okay yeah and and that was a risk um i remember when it was announced i remember like Guardians of the Galaxy the fuck is that like that was like well it does it's really obscure compared to the other stuff that they were doing now it's the only hope well now yeah i mean James Gunn really made like they're making that guardians video game it's clearly inspired by like the movie i know that in the videos a lot all the comics it's like it's the movies this game wouldn't exist if it weren't for the movies yeah and you know depending on like the trailer and stuff hype will be generated for uh good old guardians three hopefully i hope so i i really want it to be good um but suicide squad's looking neat so you know yeah we'll see you mentioned Black Widow having prequel level CGI but which has a better writing mcu phase four the prequels prequels yeah i didn't say it had prequel level CGI i i used the prequel as a comparison in terms of like the level it has the same issue yeah it has the same issue with the prequels where the CGI was of a certain level and it was used in a certain way that made it seem in a lot of ways very artificial um it didn't seem real a lot of these screen screens and scenes yeah like there's a clip that's getting around where like it's Black Widow and Yelena on the red room and it looks incredibly fake it looks really bad so the state that like normie movie watches have been noticing it it's really bad we were constantly saying it there there there's a lot of bizarre CGI choices and i'm sure they were made for a reason everything's done for a reason but when you're just in a forest and i can tell oh you're not really in a forest you're in front of a green screen and you CGI'd a forest behind them instead of disney with their disney money just filming that short scene in the forest uh i don't know i don't know there there was a reason for it and i would love to know what that reason is because i'm legitimately curious if anyone knows like i'm curious the guy i think his name is mason it's weird because that's the thing well the funny thing is what if it turned out they did film it actually there and it's just the way that it's film makes it look like it's not even real what the fuck well that reminds me of the uh palpatine's office in the prequels how that was a real set but there's something that they do into the the set that makes it look fake like they're not there it's something with the filter or something with the it doesn't look like a real place at all even though they actually made the set um it could be that it was the um attack of the clones was the first one of the first films shot entirely on a digital camera so there might have been some teething issues with that probably yeah i don't know what it was that's why originally when we were talking about him i said that the office was CGI and then people showed me the actual set and i was like well then how come it looks so fake and i think some people had mentioned that it was like CGI colored or something like that and you know a lot of bizarre creative decisions in the prequels yeah i don't know very strange very strange stuff all retard is was my grandpa's nickname in the his thoughts traveled through time oh so if i recall i think disney had to spend a minimum amount of money in order to write off a failed movie for tax purpose well i mean these movies are gonna make a bunch of money if that's the if they're talking about like i mean of the movies of him already that apparently blackwood is doing well black widow is the most successful post coven movie in terms of like it's opening numbers so far it's yeah yay i wonder how much how much cheaper would it be to CGI all that stuff instead of just getting in a car in driving out to the woods i don't the problem is that there is there's a lot of complex business related stuff in terms of making movies like tax breaks depending on which country you're shooting in like if you're in atlanta or something like that that probably gets factored into but yeah you got to imagine it's like could we not just go to a forest and film it in a forest or do we need to do it on a set um yeah no idea greetings from efab 139 catch up almost complete uh well we'll see you uh see you when you catch up loki is like sonico six god tier music horrifically oh sweet jesus wise tier story really i've never known sonico six was considered like god tier for music i had no clue i don't know really anything about sonic yeah uh hi all especially hasim if loki was a good show the show runners would have been melted also chat should know that invincible has cringed dialogue you feel like by the by the time we reach like efab 200 people should be like invincible is a zero out of 10 never watch it it'll it'll hurt you to watch it then invincible season two will be out and they'll be like that that's incredible a fringy and meme repo from the same area of australia their accents sound similar uh i don't think we are i don't think so i'm in act yeah and i'm s a so no that's well it could be further away but it's not close like that long it's a long drive if you wanted to drive there how you not know the osc the sonico six osc is incredible because i rarely ever hear the soundtracks of games that i haven't played i could just it's like rags how have you never hit sonico six soundtrack it's like i could i could picture something like like when i was 12 i'd go to a friend's house and i'd tell him that like for sleepover or something he said i can't play i gotta show you sonico six but like yeah i i've never heard that there's only there's a couple games that i know the music of without playing i think still aris is one i've never played it but i like the music i like the music a lot right i got yeah i got some of the music math um trying to think of others uh yeah i don't know what games that it's a game that i that i'm aware of this are like no enough the soundtracks of that i've never played i got a lot for that like i got tons of games that i haven't played that i've listened to the soundtracks for but it's hard to think of like a lot of this like certain street fighter stuff um final fantasy um there's a there's a lot but it's just not coming to mind at the moment mega man has a few that i've heard um killer instinct has a really cool sound someone she's mentioned in chat that's another one killer instinct i haven't played it but the soundtrack is awesome killer well that was mick gordon he did that oh and that that soundtrack slaps it's really good persona five that's one yeah persona five has a really cool soundtrack also if girl loki tells loki to go fuck himself is that consent oh no there's any of like chronicles would be another one too someone's just mentioned yeah cinder steam is awesome i could i could imagine a lot of people have consumed the soul's born soundtracks without playing the games well i yeah i i've listened to those obsessively before i played a lot of those games some good shit doxels three soundtrack is so good yeah that was the main mini theme lennon nimoy did the narration for sieve for nimoy and that was well yeah shawn bean did sip sticks who did shawn bean he did sip six oh right yeah i've heard it i just forgot i played five yeah he did both okay that's probably because i played more sip five than six and i was always just like a casual sieve player i haven't played it in a long time i think back into it it's kind of a nice relaxing game but i just play other relaxing games i like sip six um i never played five but i always say that five is better than five yeah i i the soundtrack in sip six is uh all the sins have great soundtracks well the the cool thing that's i don't know if the other game said that the way that sip six does it is that um there's usually like there's one theme per country and then it will go through different stages of history so like you can have you'd have one that's played with like rustic instruments instruments instruments and then as it progresses to like the industrial age it becomes more orchestral um and and there was some really cool renditions so like england's scabra affair and the medieval one sounds a lot more like the actual song but the the industrial one is epic in uh in terms of its scale uh america had a really cool one it was um hard days will not come again i think was the the one that they did for america that's a really cool one um and rush's uh atomic theme in sip six is uh is is really good Leonard Nimoy also narrated the dream cast game seaman well there you go we did it uh they just believe her tARDIS her choice was that in relation to blowing up around tARDIS probably oh maybe the stint tARDIS the one she stole pompeh was a bad time to go to a place known for its preservation seems like you would change things being there yeah footprints would change things having people move in a different direction because you're there would change things just a really fucking narrow view of how anything works from the creators of that show dr who equals british sharelock equals british therefore dr who equals sharelock that was really fucking dumb thing to say i those two characters mass not the same if you can't use his power in the tv a how is he able to keep the illusion of his skin color he's blue he's a frost giant i don't know hi rags hi my dad helped me build a pc for my birthday i'm now a member of the master race it's all high spec two except for the graphics college is very old any idea when the chip shortage is over no i don't um if you're looking for a good graphics card uh the best option right now but the prices have been going down from what i hear so that's definitely good they're still they're still up there but they're certainly higher than normal uh might suggest you buy a used one from somebody a lot of the times you might get someone who doesn't mark up the price because of the shortage and you just get a used one off someone i bought a few use gpus they were just fine for me but that's an option for you uh because it's a it's weird to have a gaming pc where the weak part is the gpu that's kind of like the big thing but yeah that might be the the way to go to get one find someone who's upgraded or do you just just trying to get rid of old stuff that might be the way to go i didn't have to beat super story within the time limit holy shit well we got that golden brick oh exciting um my mum wants me to re-sign up for disney plus to watch cruella help no tell her to do it with her own damn money yeah tell her not to do it yeah that's the other pirate it in minecraft create a little little pirate boat in minecraft just put that wood together make a boat sail across the water and then keep playing minecraft and don't watch cruella wait there are still 10 bricks for me to get where they at these bricks these are not the age uh i'm taking a vacation so i can't stay but hi ragas hello have fun on your vacation do you know how much harry sacrificed poor harry poor harrell job is door oh so i gotta be a bounty hoon to then hopefully we'll find one as we're walking around well i also destroy everything yoder and veda now bounty hunter i know it's hard to accept but spider man three is better than spider man two we reached that conclusion with south pole recently spider man two is excessively bad um i mean i i i i guess i'd have to rewash him to be sure but i mean spider man three always remember it being pretty pretty damn bad but you know what maybe you're not that one was uh you know the only thing i want to clarify earlier was just the spider man three isn't good whether or not it's better than two is just like yeah i don't know which leaves spider man one at that point loki should literally be tearing these people apart with or without magic he toyed with captain america to make a show of being captured yeah i'm gonna have to forget that though for this show and the more you draw attention to it the more you ruin everything um chip in the back of the neck but you're freed by the gas well the chip i don't know why it's in the back of your neck but the chip apparently in black widow the only thing that does is facilitates controlling them at a distance and you might think well then what does the mind control do you like so it's less so it's more so the wi-fi signal the mind control is the mind control like the chip just acts as being able to send uh requests remotely that's just seems to be how it works but i was confused by it too i was like do the chips what is the what is the chips combined with the i don't know yeah i i i don't think the chip does the mind control it is specifically the weird thing they do with you like they were going to do it to her when she gets recaptured i guess they perform some kind of surgery on your brain i don't know why is there no bounty hunters walking around what is that about it's edible so just be boba and then go back to the cantina do you know how much i snack or fies low key oh speaking of the last of us did you guys hear they might be making joe the villain in the remake of the first game naughty dog is apparently working on of course wait what's going to be a prequel then he will be a villain if it's a prequel because he was a bad person he was a villain yeah he was a bad per that's part of his character he used to do really bad stuff and yeah well i have to see about that see what they do i know lowkey has many other problems and i haven't watched it but is the removal of free will isn't an objective flaw i hate it too by the way right is it an objective flaw so i guess if the question is does it contradict anything i guess the answer is not necessarily uh like knowing that the spaceless has crafted everything in the universe of the mcu is that a flaw it's like i guess it wouldn't be in terms of continuity it just changes everyone's perception of every event that's taken place but the problem i guess is that when you get more specific in terms of how everything works you'll find plenty of contradictions the will being predetermined is just automatically like everyone should know exactly what that means in terms of badness but uh storytelling i mean oh no no no i want to see my results look at that oh my goodness collected so much so many things have been collected oh what a beauty um i would watch a show about time cop hitler hell yeah yeah absolutely do it that's the that's the story is that hitler was really bad and so when he dies he has to make up for everything and so he has to be a time cop and he has to do or he has to right all the wrongs until he's repaid his debt he has to you know and so he's gonna be doing it for a long time many many seasons of hitler time cop who has to you know learn how to be a good person by fixing the bad things people do in time also play ddlc dumbo's you have no free will oh i'm gonna choose to go against the idea that i have no free will that's my choice uh fuck maric hill leon chris and a really nice person who looks and sounds exactly like wesker kill chris chris is unstable and incredibly stupid and i never know when he's gonna shoot my family or do something incredibly rash and dumb uh his decision making skills are horrific and they lead to terrible outcomes i wouldn't want to yeah i would i don't want him around to kill him um i would marry leon and fuck wesker a lot of nice wesker yeah uh in endgame i fully expected the zoom in to thaw's front door to follow with stormbreaker slam and no one else answered that i agree with your answer so that was me going that was me flying solo on that one well i don't think anybody disagrees with your picks which means that's fair enough yeah that's all right let's do it yeah fair enough um in endgame i fully expected the zoom into thaw's front door to follow with stormbreaker slam and embed into the wood while thaw booms leave me be well didn't quite work out that way because he's he's welcome visitors they just gotta play fortnite with him okay maybe i misunderstood this whole java door thing anyone in chat know how this java door works i feel like i'm playing as a bounty hunter you have to be java is he viable someone pull up the pick of sonic and shrack's kid oh that sounds oh something wrong with sonic and shrack finding love yes i think they deserve each other gotta buy every bounty hunter what all right i don't know if i have the money for it but we'll try molly you mentioned wanting to play system shock but worried you wouldn't enjoy it because it's so old good news a remake is in the works coming this summer there is currently a demo on steam enjoy well all right if it gets approved by the people who like i love the original and stuff then yeah all right grito would count but imperial spy count probably not uh gassing robots not one ignored not one before tuna plastic right man some of these are expensive the emperor's two thousand seven two hundred and seventy five thousand oh my god anakin ghost anakin skywalker as a ghost is a million studs wow i g88 is a hundred thousand so it would take in i g88 to kill one force ghost anakin yeah i guess so now i have to play another level buy i g88 in boss quick did i just do that also if what does it mean like once you buy enough you just walk in here or all right we'll go and do a quick mission i guess this look he didn't doesn't don't even fit as a villain in the power puff gills maybe he would in the new vision yeah perhaps fit righted um i gotta go i hope you lads and lasses have a great day sorry you have to suffer through simpy praise yeah simpy simpy scary meme what's your take on the dcau after the tim verse um i thought that those two were one and the same um i just i don't know where the distinction is um generally i like the dcau even if it does have a fair few well probably quite a lot of writing issues on the term but it's also got a lot of strengths in other areas so definitely a mixed bag but i like it um this is a total tangent but like if you drink something and use that to wash down something that you would normally eat how does that get split up what do you mean like you mean like it goes in one place and food goes into the other yeah so imagine i don't know like you you've got i don't know like you're trying to wash down some vegetables so you you're eating while drinking at the same time how does the body split those up i thought well it's gonna naturally take the waters away from the food anyway so it doesn't everything you consume go into your stomach anyway well yeah i guess it's what i'm because i actually don't know i'm just curious what i'm suggesting is like it wouldn't matter if you wash the vegetables down or if you drank bar after they were still saying it all goes to the stomach right and then okay um and then when does it split after that um i guess in the stomach so anything solid would go into that's a good question actually how does it tell the difference yeah i like how other people in chat like oh friggies lost his mind i'm curious like well how does it work we got i don't know how does your body know to make the liquid go in one in the yeah basically go in the other yeah that's that's kind of my uh i always assumed that they went into the same place well but we know that they don't right because you pee and you poo so there must be something that well no that's based off of how they how they get filtered well that's what i'm asking now that's what i'm asking now all the food goes into the same place it's broken down there goes through the intestines and that's a lot that's its own long track um okay because somebody saying the intestines separates them oh okay that makes sense but water gets filtered through yeah because that was what i was wondering right because i know that the kid i know that doesn't isn't the liver uh related to like if you drink alcohol your liver is part of that so what's that because i think it filters liquids i think or your blood the kidneys do filters right i know that kidneys have something to do with liquid well let me double check so the liver well okay so here's some detail the liver regulates most chemical levels in the blood and excretes a product called bile this helps carry away waste products from the liver so all the blood leaving the stomach and intestines passes through the liver i learned about the bile thing because when i was writing my short story about the pancreas cold storage thing i i initially thought the pancreas created bile but that is not the case i see just i see an explanation here that seems detailed it's mixing your stomach yeah uh well apparently the pancreas has something to do with enzymes that's something that that's involved in uh but but pancreas like is is faulty for diabetics right pancreas is the problem i well i know that the way that it works with because it's insulin levels is uh is diabetes right like you it just doesn't relate the same as the other i think we can solve diabetes if we can figure out how to repair pancreas is i might be talking about ass here but i think so well somebody's saying that um i saw earlier that apparently the way that it works is that like it all goes through the stomach and then it kind of gets filtered through yeah so mixed in the stomach liquid is absorbed through a membrane in your liver and kidney solids go through a valve into your intestines ah okay that's that's gants because i guess i'm the kidney's main job is to cleanse the blood of toxins and transform the waste into urine me um i guess um you just wondered because it's like it feels like an evolutionary defects almost that we breathe through the same hole that we we eat and drink no that's intelligent design wow really but but it's just um like i i'm just curious because because is it possible i've always wondered this is it possible for something to fuck up and food ends up in your lungs because i know that water can get yeah that's possible it's choking yeah that happens all the time well yeah but when no no i mean like literally a piece of food is in your lung like not like with the stock on the way down yoli and stuff the eight well apparently people are saying yes i'll be yoli right i'll be yoli i think so like i have to remember my biology is that is that food just in you forever like i think i think that's what choking is to stock choking for why you choke is because no like i think people are misunderstanding mike i know what choking is i'm asking if it's possible for food to get through and into your lung like if that is actually possible i'm assuming if he's after this is called it's called pulmonary aspiration when you inhale food stomach acid or saliva into your lungs fuck also one moment apparently lungs can break down small particles oh shit okay there you go all right um i mean you knew that because of uh uh you're inhaler right uh oh right like the idea that there's something that you can breathe in the lungs yeah they definitely absorb shit like small particles for sure i don't know if they could oh yeah i don't know if they could deal with a piece of food i i don't know if that's possible i guess that's what i'm saying is like i know about that but um in terms of food i've always wondered because that scares the shit out of me the idea of uh of that happening um this is what i mean like the human body is there's a lot of things about it that are just shit yeah no it's true um because like the inhaler is is like a steroid for the lungs that's absorbed through the lungs yes i i know that much that the idea is that it just opens up your lungs and makes it easier to breathe it's uh man that is that is a that is relief whenever you're having issues with asthma just getting something through ventolin it's like it's uh especially if you're having an asthma attack jesus christ that uh comes as a welcome relief you do not miss asthma attacks you know i don't know who said it but uh the i always like the quote that the ultimate argument against intelligent design is realizing that for some reason the human body has a recreational facility in the middle of a sewage plant oh in case anybody is wondering why i asked i'm kind of asking because i was eating peanuts and a peanut dropped into my coffee so i was i was curious if that if that was going to cause issues for me like if i should be drinking fruit teeth closed i like the idea that that's the origin for a lot of biological like discoveries early days for humanity so it's just like wait but what if hmm i guess most of the discoveries are just been from cutting people open and being like whoa look at this i guess it goes through there and does that neat wow i do wonder sometimes will the scientific horrors that happened early days for us discover a lot of stuff that we still use today oh um yeah no it's well the one that's always interested me is the first person to squeeze a cow's tits and drink what came out it would have been an uroch back then wouldn't it that guy was happy like i was like i've discovered something here just remove the peanut i can't see it i can't see through coffee it's just somewhere i don't want to have to go up get up and go fish wow fish for a spoon i'll just be super careful you think about that with i wonder who the first person was to figure out the quarter rising a wound um it's like a really effective way yeah well that's it's just the first person who figured out the uh the idea of just put fire to and not like seals it shut it's just uh interesting to think about how far medicine has come why do the gods protect the rocket they're literally being left to die that's some quality hired security the reference to episode three i guess yeah kind of funny to think about yeah you're so committed to the job that you're like no maybe that's the logic they're like you must not interrupt it because those people at least they can get out and if you fuck with it nobody's getting out maybe that's the logic oh maybe it was a deal in exchange for letting their families get on they would you know they have to be security there could be something really dark going on who knows i certainly don't know because we found out fuck all about lamentus nor will we ever find out anything about that they have so much time yet they've wasted fascinating so the takeaway here seems to be i'm glad i didn't watch Loki you'll find everyone's saying that about every fucking mcu thing that comes out now only this time metal didn't escape he was forced to watch Loki hey no escape for you young child i went to college with someone who was daring amazed at a squirrel said he was from hawaii and had never seen one before hey yeah they got a they would have to swim a long way to get out there but that's the thing if a squirrel is able to make it that far of a squirrel can get from the mainland to hawaii they reward coconut well i mean as we all know though squirrels are actually highly intelligent and organized um rick and morty you know i think it's probably their intelligence that's keeping them from trying to swim to hawaii though um but if one makes it there the biggest the fucking the biggest nuts the biggest nuts in the universe i said well i wonder if they find out about a planet made of nuts they coordinate all their efforts to get it getting there you know as soon as possible what about a planet made of salt i'm pretty amazing well i guess that would be what would what would want to go for a planet made out of salt what animals really like salt salt kupines salt kupines maybe like all salt water animals you know Loki is old more i'm asking you in an mcu fanatical universe can loki simp outside of space and time else you're gonna buy the blu rays fuck no good reference though i don't think uh there's physical releases for the shitty shows really i get no i think i think there's no no plans even i don't even think it's not yet situation that's just not on the cards oh man are we just are we just at that phase now that's that concerns me uh i didn't want to be there yet i wanted to get a little bit more because getting the fucking haunting shows on blu ray was a nightmare took ages for a hillhouse to come out and i was like i don't want to have to go to netflix to watch it that's fucking that's just super gay all right yep kevin buggy answered he doesn't know i'm in regards oh okay blu ray released well i guess it's not up to him right that's whether disney because disney probably you know if you release it on digital then people don't need to pay for disney plus i guess maybe yeah and if you that must be part of it to encourage more people to just stay with disney plus i have access to my library sort of thing you think that it would be easy enough to just have it though because like disney plus has so much content on it you think that you don't even need to pressure people i imagine that was like part of a deal for funding for netflix though like you cannot release on anything physical i think it is because i think it is on but they are on physical though some of them are i know that daredevil has physical releases i guess it's just the idea of like game i mean it's kind of the same thing with like games preservation but um i don't know we're not we're not there yet like it's really xbox game pass is kind of the beginning of that phase um but then again you pay as much for game pass as you do for netflix and it's like the amount of content you get in a video game or it's a really good deal and it keeps getting better um i think sony might actually start running into trouble because like people keep talking about oh you know sony like that you know you got to pay for greatness because they've bought hook line and sinker into marketing jargon you know oh yeah it's fringe super fucking that is it is the cringy ish i imagine you are repeating unironically the slogans that corporations use to buy their products like even companies i love i don't repeat verbatim their slogans to other people to convince them that i made the right choice i would do it as a joke but not seriously yeah it's um it's hyper cringe oh and for those who don't know it's basically that um i've seen people unironically argue that it's a good thing that unlike xbox who if you have game pass you get access to all of their games including new releases for no additional cost that it is better that sony charges full price for their games and that you have to buy them individually um because console war stuff it's it's ridiculous this is your brain on consoles it yeah kind of um it's uh it's really awkward i don't see how somebody can look at game pass as like a because imagine if you only want to play like halo you could just buy you just buy game pass for a month 10 bucks and you get to play halo along with a bunch of other games what a great offer but meanwhile if you want to play a game on playstation you just have to front the cost for that whole game uh oh kody kody s in the chat oh what happened well rags you may disagree but i believe that when you're here your family okay i like it i like it but yeah dude like when i know when gears five came out i said this is tough for me to recommend it like 60 bucks but i like the game and if you can get on a game pass it was like five ten dollars and you could well you don't have to pay you just you just get to play for the month yeah five 10 months of other games here's five for like at least a month and i'm like what an insanely good idea i don't know that because someone said that i said game pass is overrated maybe i said that years ago but i don't think i've said that for years at this point i think i remember you said that you generally say the opposite i generally i have game pass like i had it for a while i think it's a really good deal i think uh i think it should be done more like sony should give it a shot wow i don't really care for anybody else does it like it's just it's just a cool uh service what's the xbox slogan um jump in oh wait no that's what the xbox 360s was there's might be totally different now what is it xbox slogan this jump in was like uh was like really back when um co-op like jump in co-op was a really yeah that was not logo xbox slogan god fingers figure it out right um the world's most powerful console that's really lame is that even true anymore i don't need to look left now sony's play has no limits that's okay um that's all right well i don't know what nintendo's is oh i just created a new asset called punished meme oh wait how are you dreams that's all right that's okay that's all right what was playstation oh fuck playstation 2 had a really cool one um playstation 2 yeah playstation 2 had a really cool slogan let me uh damn remember when ea uh ea's was challenge everything challenge everything that was a cool well it's funny considering ea like that's uh oh playstation 2 was living your world playing ours i really like that one it's a cool one what was uh what was what was playstation 3 i can't remember um hmm damn it i can't recall if so someone to chat help us out um someone said the series x is power your dreams okay that's that's all right considering they try to tout its power and it's big things like why i get it that makes sense um let me see no that's ea sports ea sports it's in the game it's in the game that's right yeah then ea just electronic arts was challenge everything gamecube was born to play yeah oh wow there's a there's there's like a whole list so playstation's first one was you are not e and then no e e capital n o capital s lives i don't know what those two mean and then it was do not underestimate the power of playstation and then when it was called ps1 it was wherever whenever forever i don't see how it could be wherever it wasn't portable yeah i don't yeah i that those weren't very good yeah these none of these even look real yeah i don't know they're real to me someone's bring a good one gotta have my pops i remember those commercials i never liked pops though they were too bland for me there just wasn't this didn't like them um taste the rainbow what's nintendo slogan because we're focusing a lot on uh on the other ones oh ps3's was greatness awaits at the end oh yeah see that's the one that everybody i like that one it's a cool one those were the commercials where they had all the characters in the bar and stuff in the tavern yeah talking about the player that was those were really good commercials i they were really good and i really like greatness awaits but unfortunately the fanboys have ruined it because they keep using it ironically yeah oh do you remember sony does what nintendo or was it sega does oh that was yeah i was actually thinking that sega does what nintendo and that was just that's a good one that's a really good one someone brought it it's not a gaming related one but it's one of my favorites do the do oh yeah i'm loving it juicy fruit it's gonna move you juicy something it gets right to you just like a chocolate milkshake only crunchy um we have hit just over 10 hours and i am totally ready to go to sleep unfortunately i'm probably gonna i got you that's fair enough we'd be we'd be stopped there but uh hey you know what it's been fun mm-hmm um this is really well hey meme do you want to talk about what you've been up to and what what's happening over there on meme repository land oh well snider cut is almost finished yeah just getting the last bits and bobs together do a little old polishy polish and uh it should be uh should be good to go yeah so i'd say it's about 95 percent of the way there um that's where we're at which um it's a good place it's a good place so i just gotta put like you know the bells and the spinning rims and everything on it it'll be good um but uh yeah uh i got once that's done i'll hopefully be able to uh just move uh well i'll be doing more about movies it'll be a little slightly more basic than uh this one but when you see it you'll see just where all the time has gone uh but yeah it'll be a little bit more back to basics with the next few but i'll also be working on my own content uh for uh the Mandalorian video is still deep in my editing bay so i've got to get that finished um and everything so that'll be it'll be uh the next thing i want to get out and i've got a few bits and bobs i've got a few like scripts written um i don't want to commit to anything beyond that but uh there's a few ideas bubbling around and you know maybe you know i it's possible i'll release some other content i'm thinking about maybe even taking some of the editors notes from Man of Steel and putting some voice over to them releasing them into their own standalone videos because most of the editing is already done for them and that would be a really easy way to put out some content um so yeah uh but yeah that's kind of what i'm doing yeah neat um that's for eFab we got next week black widow we got to that lowkey we got to that who knows as well as what might be in between because apparently we might be one episode behind but now but that's fine um and maybe some catch-up streams here and there uh and then yeah other stuff we'll be popping out you never know when you never know who you never know why or where or what there i think i think i covered all of them um anything else you guys want to say before we we jump off no not really thanks for stopping by that was really fun we covered a lot considering yeah uh thanks for the super chats thanks for showing up and watching thanks for ingesting all of this content and i hope you guys have a good night yeah thanks to eFab 142 see you next week for eFab 143 but that we're good night everybody see you bye bye boy