 point or anything that you want to share? Yeah, you have a power point. Okay. Okay. So I think you can share that. Why don't you try, you want to share it right at the beginning, the power point? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so why don't you, why don't you just try sharing it and get that started. And once you're ready, we'll start. I'll start the timer once you're ready. Yeah, okay. Okay. Sure. So, Pasir, shall I start? You want to start now? Okay, just one second. Yeah, yeah, Pasir. Let me just start the timer. Okay. So Pasir, can you see my screen? Yeah, I can see your screen. Yeah, topic on being a true leader. Okay, I can see your screen. Okay. So yeah, yeah, Erin, just go ahead. Your time starts now. Okay, so good morning everyone. So today my topic is on true leaders. So today, I will be sharing some insights about the true leader in the status and some challenges they face in a secular world. And lastly, I'm going to share about the, how are we going to improve the status of a true leader? So here are some, so here is about true leader when we hear about the true leader. So I have collected two points about the true leader. So first point is a true leader is a one who humble enough to admit their mistakes. Even in a good times, even in a bad times, they always used to admit mistakes. So the second point is a true leader produce more leaders. And this is the definition about a true leader. So a true leader makes an effort to help to help develop and the teams skills. So, so, so they can reach their full potential. So, so like I mentioned before, like today I'm going to be sharing about these three, three topics, like number one, true leader in this status and secondly, and second is challenges faced by the true leader in a secular world. And thirdly, lastly, I'll be sharing about improving the status of a true leader. So, yeah, true leader in this status. So like, they are far more to be said about, you know, when we hear about the true leader, you know, the mark of a true leader is, you know, when he or she is willing to stick bold cause of an action and in the action, inspire others to dream more and to learn more and to do more and to become a more truly leader. So, like, so was so, as I was, you know, researching and collecting data from some leaders, you know, in a village in some villages in my hometown, Lekwokchung. So, like, the advent of a Christianity in many villages in Lekwokchung down, you know, there, there were some, there are many people, you know, they, like, they, they were worshiping sun, you know, and stars river, you know, without knowing the creator. So, they worship created things. So many, many of those, you know, like, met their daily existence, you know, changed by the God Christ. So, when these two couples, you know, American missionaries, E.T. W. Clarke, they, they came to a Naglin and they, you know, they planted the gospel, the good news of Jesus Christ. And today there are, you know, more than thousands of committed true leaders, you know, who have accepted Christ and dedicated their life to the Lord, faithfully. And many of them are serving across the world. And they started, you know, the journey carrying the flame of true leader in this, that is among the society, church and different kind of condemnation. And I heard that from the grandparents that grandchildren, that it was not easy for them, you know, to let the people in the land of, you know, new education, rowing, you believe, but they were saying that they serve God anyway, you know, they did, they did serve God. So, so being a true leader, you know, our status is very important, you know, to the lost and to unsafe society or different kind of, you know, condemnation. Like even in God's words, it says that in Psalms 119 it says, Psalms 119 verse 59, I have considered my contact and I promise to follow your consider. So, through all the journey, they just, you know, carrying the status of a true leader, they just, you know, started igniting the gospel to the different parts of the villages. So, like, like, second me, here is some challenges, you know, that truly, they usually used to face in the secular world. So, you know, it's very sad today that humility, you know, humility is often missing virtue in a secular world. And that's the very challenging, you know, face in society with different kind of culture by a true leader. So, because of a true leader, you know, truly they used to take a lot of, like, courage to put others first, even though, you know, people don't realize how much they care for. So, like, like, in the early days in 1952, like I was, you know, collecting some pedas from the altar, from the forefathers, Reverend Rickon, you know, he was the first pastor, he was the first Reverend in a village called Mamatou. And in his time, you know, like, they were, they were, in his time, our daily Bible was not completed, translated, they were saying something like that, okay? So, like, they were only four books, like Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And he, you know, he tries best to share the stories, you know, from this four books. And, but somehow, you know, how many people didn't accept his teaching. But, but he equates humility to his people in today, the outcomes of, you know, humility to the community has spread all over the parts of Nagarin. So, yes. So, but, like, when we see in general terms, you know, in today's scenario, there is a lack of humility, you know, between leaders. And they are born, you know, to making avoidable mistakes, claiming each other's for the board decision. We can see the current situation in complex between Russia and Ukraine, you know, and there are lots of this behind the battle, behind the war. But all we can see behind this war, behind this complex is a lack of humility. So, it's very sad, you know, that today, people think that, you know, that we will take everything after, after we dive physically, we will take everything after winning the wars and so on. But what God Word says that in 1 Timothy 6, 7 says that, but we bought nothing in the world and we can't take nothing out of it. So, like, also, we have, when we look in the life of Jesus, you know, he is the perfect example of humility, a criticism, you know, it's a very crazy, crazy to think about, you know, a king of king, you know, left his heavenly place and he choose to live in the broken world, you know, as a servant to all. And he gave us the best sacrifice on the cross, John 3, 16. So, you know, it's very challenging for every leader, you know, so here is the thing, you know, what we need to change. Like, even though, you know, even though we are just one man army, leader of history, you know, come, they usually used to come and go, but true leaders still live in people's hearts and lives. So, there is a need of, you know, a need for a true leader in our society, a true leader who is not, you know, only concerned about his or hers family or tribes, but, you know, who is willing to forego his or her own interest for someone else and, you know, leader who honor God with humility. So, with people, we are not, you know, we're not saying that we are perfect, like Jesus, but at least we can strive and improve the, you know, the people who look improved and, you know, that people will look to our example like the early and some heroes and some leaders and they will see less than fully serious, you know, about the things to be done, to be a true leader. So, each of us has more opportunity, you know, to do well and to be good. And we are used this opportunity lies all around us. So, in 1st Timothy, 412 he says, let no man despise thy youth, but be thou an example of believer in word, in conversation, and charity in spirit and purity. So, like, here was, you know, a suggestion for improving of the status of a true leader, a structure area with a special reference, and it picks from the late, from the late 60s to 90s, a leader, and it found from the modern leaders, from different culture, discrimination, and from different parts of villages down place, so I'll just read it out in these points. And most of the leaders, you know, like I have, you know, I have just interviewed them through a phone call and I have interviewed them through in person. So, most of them, 90% of them has given this feedback. You know, the first point is to improve the status of a true leader in the general awareness is very important, and second point is to improve the presentation of true leader and start respecting each other view in opinion, and all is sensitizing the younger leader generation, and lastly, women leaders should be given opportunity. Thank you. Okay. Thanks, Eran. So, okay, can you just tell us, answer a few questions? Now, Yeah. So, so in your research, like, because you've not named the people whom you, you know, researched, like who you contacted. So, could you just tell us, like, who are these people, like, where they, and what they do, you know, you if you don't want to mention the names, like, if they didn't want names to be mentioned, that's fine. But we just wanted to know, like, who are these people or these leaders whom you contacted, and like, what they were doing, you know, are they pastors? Are they government workers? Like, can you just tell us, like, how many were there? And, you know, what kind of work they were doing? Yeah. Yeah, overall, I have contacted, contacted with 30 leaders, and most of them were 30. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, most of them are another church leaders. They are secular leaders, they are government job holders. And, yeah. And, yeah, that's all. Yeah. So, in this 30, can you just tell me, like, how many were from the church? How many were from the government? Like, you know, because we'd like to know, like, you know, what is the percentage of, you know, in each sector, you know, in each, yeah. Yeah. But only then, of them are from their church leader, and you're finding they're similar. Yeah. So, yeah. So, what the, okay, so 10, so of this 20, like, so what area were there leaders in, you know, just like? Like I mentioned, they are a government job holder in different parts of, you know, different parts of area in the part of Mokokchung. And, and like I mentioned, like, like then of them are the church leader in, not only in the area of Mokokchung down in the same villages, but they are the leaders even in some part of India. Okay. So, 10 were church and how many were government leaders? Leaders in the government? They're remaining 20. All 20? Okay. Okay. So, so in the government, what kind of, so because we just, I'm just trying to find out, you know, what, what was their level of leadership, right? What was their level of influence? So in the government, or also in the church, you know, of this, let's say we'll start with the church of these 10 leaders. So what kind of positions or what was the nature of work? These 10 leaders, could you tell me? Were they pastors? Were they, you know, deacons or administrative, you know, were they holding that kind of responsibilities? Because it's, it's, it's important that we, you know, kind of have that. Yeah. Yeah. So these 10 leaders, like, only three of them are pastors and they're remaining, I, they, they are just, you know, serving, they are just a member. So. So what would qualify them as leaders? The balance seven in the church, what would qualify them? Like, why did you choose them to study about, you know, leadership? Because they are regular, if they appear, they usually used to attend the church a regular. And they, and somehow they were saying that when the church leaders are not at a station, they used to take up the fellowship or they used to take up the church service. So they, so I, I choose them. Yeah. Okay. No, so, they, so they were like assisting the pastor in serving in the church. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. So they were like lay leaders, as you would call them. Okay. Okay. Fine. So, yeah, so I see your, I'm just trying to, so this is in Mokokchung town. Okay. And all the way from Mokokchung town and, and some villages. Right. Okay. Yeah. Now, in your, I'm just going through your report. Now, in the report, is there a table with the, you know, the, the percentages? Are you, you got one analysis, right? Which says, yes, no, no idea the frequency. But is there something which, which gives that all the questions, you know, because you, you have a question there. So is there some table which just captured all the questions? No, like you have. No, no, Pasi, it's just at the temple. I, I've just ate at the temple. Because you have about 14 questions, right? So in that case, okay, so that has not captured all the 14. Okay. I see. Fine. Okay. So, yeah, so what would you say was the, you know, maybe you can just talk about two problems or two negatives that, that came out of the research, you know, something that was not there. And what you would personally recommend for, you know, future leaders? The negative things that I have, like while I'm researching, while I'm just having a personal contact with them, the negative is that, like, I'm not enhancing any church leaders or anyone, okay, but the negative, what I saw in them is that, like, they're just doing the daily schedule, you know, like, if they are pastors, if, if they are, you know, government job holders, they're just doing the regular, like, they're just doing the regular, you know, job, but they are not, you know, they're not very serious about what this means by the true leader, you know. So what I thought and I didn't tell them directly, but what I need, what I want them to change in their life and as well as us is that we don't have to do, you know, if we are a job holders or if you, if we are a worship leader or if we are pastors, but we need to do with, you know, like, with integrity, you know, like, like, how can I say it is, like, our character, you know, pastor, our character is very important because, like, when I was, you know, interviewing, when I was just talking with them, you know, chatting with them, what I saw is that, like, especially the secular leaders, you know, they're very, you know, they're very harsh, you know, like the response, you know, comparing with the true leader. So, like, yeah, like, our character is very important as a leader. So that's what I, so. Okay. Okay. Fine. So you mentioned that your research methodology was through this questionnaire. And, and also, like, did you send them the questionnaire or was it through a personal interview or what were the interviews? Yeah, yeah. So I send the questionnaires, I just, just send them out the questionnaire and let them fill the voting questions. So. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Right. Fine. Okay, Erin. Thank you so much. Thank you for the presentation. Okay. Right. Okay. So maybe the next person can share. So we're going alphabetical orders. So next is Dave. So Dave, you can, if you're ready, you can just, you can try it out. And then once you're ready, we'll start. Yes, sir. Hi, everyone. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor, especially for this time. One second. So do you have a PowerPoint? Yeah, I do. I do. Okay. Why don't you just try it out. So, and then you can simultaneously talk. Yeah. And I'll start the timer once you start the PowerPoint. Get that sorted. Okay. Can you, can you see it? Yeah. Yeah, we can see. Okay. Shall I start the time now? Sure, Pastor. Okay. Yeah, please go ahead. Okay. I would like to start by giving thanks to Pastor and also to APC, PC for this opportunity. And and the topic I'm going to be speaking today is Christianity in Nepal. So, so what we'll discuss is the past and I've divided this past into three different pages and some, some important personnel events and organizing that, that we're here to help establish the Christianity and growth, bring growth to the Christianity and we'll move on to the present and, and how it goes to the future. And then the factors that are, that are contributing to, that were contributing to the growth of Christianity and some challenges and then we'll, we'll end the, end the slides. The first thing is the past. And the first era of the past one is named, named it as integrated phase because as we can see, Nepal was first divided into very small little kingdoms. It was not an, an whole big nation. It was a very small nation and it, there were many different small, small kingdoms that were divided and scattered all over. And because of this, especially when we're talking about the, the, the capital of Nepal, it was ruled by a dynasty called Mullah. Because of these Mullah kings, they were very, very impressed by the British and impressed by the English who were ruling, I mean, when India was under, under the British and the first time in Nepal, when, when it was recorded that arrival of a Jewish, Chris, a father, Chris, a father whose name was John level and he arrived in Nepal on 16th 28th, but his intention was not to be in Nepal. Actually he was going through, going to, to Tibet for, for God's work, but he came down to Nepal and then from Nepal, they wanted to go down to India. So why, because of this, they somehow wanted to stay in Nepal and they wanted to do work in Nepal. So on, on the 17th century, first of 17th century kept, kept pushing order started their first permanent mission in Nepal. Actually they were all Catholic. The first person who brought gospel into Nepal was, was Catholic paracels. And, and because of this, they were, people were going to, going because they, they had their focus was to serve the people, to give medicine to the people and, and to take care of those people. So people began to come know about the gospel and then people were going, but by the mid of 1700s, a king called Prithvi Narayan Saha, he, he made Nepal and he brought all the smaller kingdom into, into a, a, a single whole mission. And then because of him Christianity, the first fathers and the, and the Christians were, were, they were persecuted. And even at the mid of, mid of 700s, they were actually kicked out of Nepal. And then along with the Christians, Nepali, Nepali who were converted, they were, they also had to leave country. So they, they left Nepal and went to India and never came back again. And in the eyes of, in the eyes of these first kings and the British, the Christians were, they thought the Christians are helping the British to come and rule over Nepal. So they, they serve the whole country for all the foreigners. This is the foundation place. And for, as I've written here for 200 years, Nepal remains that there was no, no gospel at all. It was set because what I've just told you, if they saw foreigners, they thought they were bringing Christianity. They thought the Christians had allied with the British to, to, to spy over Nepal and give information to the, to the, to the foreigners. That's what they thought they did. So they served the whole country for the foreigners and no one could come in. And while this dynasty, this Sahas were ruling, Ranas began to come to power. Ranas were not actually kings, but they were kind of, kind of prime ministers who took over the power. Kings were just name, name sick. And then they ruled over Nepal for about almost about 100 years. But they actually were very close with the British. Some of them went back to England and they learn about, learn about Christianity. They saw the building, the structure, infrastructure. They loved it, but, but they liked their culture, but they did not allow gospel to be in that impact. One historian recalls that one of the, one of the prime minister, a high, high post Ranas was sick. So, so he had to go to India to be, to be in the hospital and in the hospital on the border of Nepal, somewhere in Rocksall, he, he accepted load and then he came back to Nepal, but he was not very welcome in the, in the society. But even though Nepal was set, like I said, it was just a foundation base for Nepal because in actual Nepal, it wasn't anything working out regarding gospel, but outside of Nepal, people were preparing to come to Nepal as soon as the door was open. So, I have to give shout out to all those people who were at the borders praying day after day for Nepal to be opened. A lot of missionaries from, especially from the church of Scotland, they came down to Garziling and they started mission, mission to people who are speaking Nepali in Garziling. And then they began to come down to the border and they began to pray every day for Nepal to be open. And, and there's a song, even a song, this is the song is called Lord, please hear our prayer and let these Nepalese come to the Lord and let the, let the Nepal be open for gospel. And, and the third phase, namely the birthing phase. And during this phase, actually the World War II has just ended and Nepal was had different contract with the British and the Indian army. They took on Nepalese to, to be as their army. So because of this, they, they had this, this opportunity to go to different countries and they, they had the exposure to, to hear gospel. And then when they came back, they did bring gospel with them. And they, because of lack of documentation, there are no records that, that after, of them coming back and starting searches, but as we know, they came back, even though it was illegal in Nepal, but they, they shared with their family and they started to have this fellowship, different fellowship. By then Nepal, Nepal was the king took the power back and then he overthrew the parliament system and then he, he built a system called contract system. So because of this contract system, the Christians were not able to freely watch it in the church again. And, and because of this, they had this many persecution and, and a lot of people had to go to jail and in prison they spent, they had to spend in jail. And yeah, it was the persecution, but in this time, the first was going, even though it was undergone, the first was going. And then in some time they had democracy again and a new multiparty system in parliament was established. And because of this, the Christianity grew again. And during this time, the church is actually built in mainly in Kathmandu and, and then in Pokhara and then in the west part, west part of Nepal, Nepalans and other different parts of Nepal. The major events as a, and some personnel's and organizations that contributed was as I told you before, it was first the church of Scotland, who spent so many missionaries to actually to India, who wanted to go to Nepal and to work in Nepal. But, but they were not allowed. So they started a mission called Gorkha mission and they came down to the border and they trade, trade and trade and trade and trade. They trade for Nepal every day. And then the, the other other event is this person called Ganga Prasad Pradhan. We know in Khayatata in the middle of 18 minutes, actually William Khayat translated first Nepali New Testament, but it is not much recognized in Nepal. And it is not that official in Nepal, even though he did it. But the person who did the whole Bible translation was Ganga Prasad Pradhan, who was actually a Nepali, Nepal, a guy from Nepal, but he had to, because it was family, he went down to Darjeeling and then he was exposed to, to the gospel. And in the records, it says that Ganga Prasad Pradhan was the second believer of Darjeeling. And then, and then he 1914 or 1914, we can say his first Bible. And because of his translation, it was easier for, for the gospel to spread, people could take part of the Bible and, and make it as a track and hand it over to people, those who were able to read it. And then the other event is this few missionaries from Britain and Ireland who established this board, Nepali Peninsula board, which is now called International Nepal Scholarship. And they were the one who came down to Nepal through an ambassador of Britain, and they started a green pasture hospital, which really helped. And because of their medical help, and they were able to share God to different people. And then let's talk about United Mission to Nepal. We, I mean, it was also one of the, the organization with this birth gospel to Nepal. And not only did they bring gospel, but they kept in so many different mission hospitals. They brought hospitals in Kathmandu, a hospital called Patan Hospital, and there's a mission hospital in Tantan, and there's a hospital in, of holding that. And they, they, they built different schools in Gorka. And they helped in different rural development. They, they did trainings in technical trainings, and they had, they built the hydropowers in good world, saying that, and different parts of Nepal. Because of this, they were able to bring Christ. And even today, also, they are still here, and they are still helping to in different areas. And the other thing that helped gospel grow was, have such organizations, different organizations, like this mission oppression mobilization, and different, like, like youth for Christ, such organizations who, who combine with church, and then they, they had, they helped to bring so many people into Christ as well. And the other main event was, was Anand Abundalaprasi Hospital. This hospital was built in 1957. And this hospital at that time, it was, the Abundalaprasi was very, very busy, very difficult, difficult kind of disease. And because of this, people were losing life. But because of this hospital, they were able to save so many different people. And because of this hospital, many people have come to Christ. And many, even I personally know someone who went through this program and became a doctor now, and he's helping other people, other people to, to other people to, not only to have them be healthy, but that has them to bring to Christ as well. And the other phase is present and then to future. We can, we can look at our political. I think that's all the time we have. But yeah, you can just take a minute to finish it. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So Christianity now in Nepal is because of our country's political situation, our Christianity is very much based in, in, in politics, because most of the Hindu people believe the King to be an avatar of their God. But as the King was killed in 2001, their hopes are gone. And after 2006, our Kingdom became a Republic. So because of this Republic, our Kingdom was later announced as a secular country, not no more a Hindu country, but a secular country which opened the door for many different opportunities to come to Nepal. And, and the growth of church is massive now, church is going a lot. If you look at this graph, this graph is just a graph of given by our government. But I know this graph is not accurate. And we still have yet to come the graph of 2021 because we just had the synthesis a recent few months back because of the COVID. But we know that the number of Christians have grown a lot, not only this number, but along with different churches, different, now there's a lot, so many TV stations, so many radio stations, and so many theological colleges have been invested. And even if we talk about that, Dave, I think that's all we have time for the presentation. So maybe you can answer a couple of questions. Yeah. So now, so we started by looking at how the Catholic fathers, the Jesuit fathers and, and some of the other order they came and they established the, you know, the mainly through social work and they're serving the people. So people were exposed to Christianity in some sense. But, you know, where was the gospel being preached around that time where people being born again? What is, you know, in your research, did you come across any such information? As far as born again, it was, it is not mentioned in when the fathers were here. Okay. The first born again believer was recorded in, in 1950s. In the 1950s. Okay. As late as 1950s, is it? Okay. I see. So now, what is the role of the Catholic church in Nepal now, you know, does the Catholic church exist? Do we have still have, you know, people attending Catholic church? Yeah, yeah, but so they do. In fact, like, there are a lot of, if we talk about Catholics, they have done a very good job regarding establishing a few, two very good institutions like schools and colleges. They're well replicated schools and colleges and they've done a good work in the education sector. And there are two churches in the valley and out of the valley as well. Some, some of them has even gone to different remote areas. And like in the early, after the King died, there was an, an attack in a Catholic church. So in, in the valley, in the Kathmandu. Okay. So they still are operating and they still are, yeah, operating. Okay. Okay. So now, you're, you'd also mentioned about the Church of Scotland and how they, you know, share the gospel and the church grew and all that. So now, in the present situation and how things are, the present political situation, you know, how do you think should the churches like share the gospel, you know, there is, of course, an anti-conversion law, you know, so how do you, how do, how do churches share the gospel now? And how do you think churches should actually do it? Yes. So the thing is we, we obviously cannot go now open to, on the road to a shared gospel and we, we, we can't even have an impression of impression trying to share gospel. But the thing we can do is because of the, the anti-conversion law, what we can do is we can invite people as much as we can, either to church or to our own, own place. And then, then we, we directly cannot share the gospel, but we can share our experience, what God has turned in our life and what, what God can do to their, to their life as well. So how, is that how it's happening right now in Nepal? Is that how gospel is being shared? Yes, pastor. Mostly, yeah, mostly in the, the, the rural areas, people can share it, do anything. But in the urban areas, people mostly do like, like this, like even, yeah, even some, there are some few TV programs, but they cannot directly share gospel. But they cannot share like, like some cartoons through kids. And then along with that, share something, something that is good in moral, which is connected to the Bible. Yeah. Okay, okay, fine. Okay, Dave, thank you so much. Thank you for the presentation. Sorry for the time here. No problem. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's all we have time for, for the next, just one second. Let me just stop the recording.