 Let's have a look at this video. This is from the Aspie World Autism in Girls, five social anxiety traits you need to know. This is, I think, someone else that's on here is Charles Davies, which I think is a tattoo artist that I've seen on Instagram. Very interesting. This video was made in 2019, wow. So quite a while ago, it'd be interesting to have a look and see if the information holds up to time. If you are interested in watching my interview with the Aspie World, you can find it on the channel or you can find it on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, places like that. It's a very short one that we did all about being an autistic parent, which was quite interesting for me as someone without a progeny, perhaps considering it in the later futures. In this video, we're going to be looking at autism in girls and specifically five social anxiety traits coming up. Hey, I'm Dan. I have Aspie World Syndrome, ADHD and OCD and dyslexia. I make weekly videos on this type of content, so if you're new around here and want to learn more, consider subscribing. Hey, guys, I'm Charles and I have a diagnosis of autism and today I'm going to be sharing some personal experience of my social anxiety traits. Yes! Leave us a comment in the comment section below. Let us know if you're on the spectrum or if you're like a person who has a loved one or whatever on the spectrum and you're looking at this video to gain some help and experience for them. Hey, guys, welcome back to the Aspie World. I'm super awesome to actually have a guest here today. This is the first collab I've done this year. I've never had another influencer, so Charles is actually quite well known for her MTV show on just two of us, which I'll leave some links down below and some stuff. Oh, so she's actually from something. That would explain things. Interesting. I've not seen that before. On the screen here if you want to see that. Also, she runs a really cool Instagram account, but importantly, she's launching a YouTube channel, so I'll be leaving the link for that in the description below that you all have to go down and subscribe and show some love because we need more females on the spectrum on this platform, so that's super cool. We wanted to do a video for a while, and one of the things we wanted to do was talk about waterism and girls and different things. We decided to talk about social anxiety since it's such a huge issue, or it's a big, well-talked-about topic, but I feel like it's not as talked-about for girls. I feel like it's always male-dominated. There's always males doing this, that and the other. So in this video, we're literally talking about Charles' perspective, personal insight, and things like that, because I think this is gonna be really valuable to all of you guys. So we're gonna go through five different things, just really sum it up by the end of it and talk about it, have a discussion, and if you wanna jump in at any single time and add anything in, put it in the comment section below and give this video a thumbs up if you're enjoying this type of content. Masking. So number one is masking. So, Charles, do you wanna take us through a little bit about masking and some of your personal insight and experience with that? So one of the things that affects me is masking, and this is something that I'd say most women do on the spectrum, actually. It's a really, really common trait, and basically it's hiding your traits and pretending to be a version of yourself that is socially acceptable. Masking and hiding my traits so that the other person can't suspect anything odd or weird or anything, and what I tend to do is I copy and mimic other people's behavior so that I can represent a socially acceptable version of myself. Would you say... The aspects of mirroring people, it's very much like a social camouflage element called compensation. It's a little bit different to masking, but it is kind of lumped in when we're talking about it in the autistic community as a generalization. I'd also say that like masking, it does happen in men as well to a lesser degree, I think, because I think sometimes the stereotypical traits of masculinity, I think, sometimes align quite well being autistic from my experience, the stereotypical aspects of it, of course, because... This is, you pick up masking from watching TV and film, because this is an interesting topic. Would you say that you learned social masking from mimicking people on movies and stuff? It is basically from use of being rejected socially, and so you take characteristics from other people, you're adopting other people's behavior and characteristics and applying it to your own. It's basically just lying and pulling on a front. You say you're pretending to be somebody else, you're pretending to be something that is socially acceptable so that you can connect with someone else, but then... It's a lot, it says a lot to do with connection. It's also a lot to do with safety and protection of yourself, not sticking out in a crowd. That can be quite a defense mechanism that some people pick up, particularly in school, due to the elements of bullying. And also in work as well. You're actually hiding your true self. What kind of effect does masking have on you as a person? So if you go through your day and you're masking, hopefully you're not being comfortable in your own skin and you're not being you, what repercussions can that have? Well, that has had massive repercussions on me, especially as an adult, because over the years, it's something that I've done so long that you start to lose sense of self, and this actually led to me having identity problems because I was hiding my traits so often and putting on this front where I was somebody completely different just to fit in that I didn't know who I actually was. The sense of self, one is definitely a big thing. Also like the connections that you make as a masked person often feel quite fake. You know, just the whole thing about you attract what you put out. You know, if you put out something that's different to yourself, you tend to get people who are different to yourself and they're not always like, it's one of the issues that I think that people have with unmasking because sometimes when you unmask, you become more yourself and it doesn't necessarily always align with the people that are already in your life. There's obviously a lot more difficulties with that, but women have it way harder. I think definitely in terms of like social camouflage, I'd say, yeah, safety, mm-hmm. It's draining and sometimes it's a bad thing. You start to skill the regress, what do you mean? It's definitely a draining thing. Like it definitely causes like chronic, a stress, exhaustion, things like that. It's taxing because you've got to constantly monitor yourself and try and monitor the social environment. Like it's all a brain process. It all takes up energy, you know? Thinking does take up energy. I mean, we always have like a limited amount during the day, you know? Because like, I think one of the main factors for why females have been not as diagnosed as males is because masking is apparent and they say, oh, well, you know, they're fine here, they're fine there or whatever. You know, it's weird that it's now what, like masking was a thing that we didn't even know existed, but it's now that we're able to put an actual name to it and say it's this thing. Well, I've had that quite fascinating. It's a bit of a tricky thing as well and I know that there's not a lot out there on women on the spectrum especially, so that's why I'm doing my bit to raise awareness. So the reason it's a tricky thing is because it's a massive trait, but it also goes against being diagnosed. So if you're actively seeking a diagnosis, then you're so good at hiding it that sometimes not even a professional can diagnose you because you can't see it. You've got so good at it, especially as an adult as well on the spectrum, you get so used to hiding your traits that you are now this brilliant actress that you didn't even know. And another thing about masking is that you develop coping or work around strategies, right? So this is something I find fascinating. So in terms of a lot of people who say, oh, I got diagnosed at X amount of years and they say, oh, I didn't know you had an issue with that, but then they make work around coping mechanisms. For instance, if you didn't want to talk, you're anxiety at talking on the phone to Alder Peter, yeah, so anytime you'd be anywhere with you want to Alder Peter, you'd always say to somebody, oh, can you do it first? I just got to go to the toilet or I'm just going to go to do something else. Yeah, it's simple things like that. So for example, I am absolutely the worst person in the world to pick up the phone and I can't make conversation on the phone. I can't do anything that requires an immediate response because I find that is far too much pressure. So it's also like a lot to do with processing because I think for a lot of us we can find it sometimes quite difficult to know when it's our time to speak in general, just anyway, because we tend to like behind a little bit in terms of processing the communication. And also you get even less input that you would do. I mean, it's kind of through both sides. You do have perhaps the input of tonality on the phone which is an indirect kind of way of communicating but you don't get all of the other stuff which I think we can pick up on just to some degree. It just has to be very obvious for me in my case. Somebody else do it or for example, if I have to pay for an item or let somebody else do it, it's little things. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think that it just fascinates me and I think that this is one of the reasons why we're having a huge gap in the amount of females to males being actually diagnosed. But I think that gap is getting smaller and smaller and out and so having the things like it's an actual autistic society have a new program, a training program for autism and girls. It's really good and people like yourself do more advocacy on it. It's going to be awesome. Selective mutism. Okay, so number two is selective mutism. Do you want to talk to us a bit about selective mutism? Yeah, selective mutism. It's something that affects me mainly when I'm in groups of people. So one-to-one speaking to someone, I'm pretty good. I'm actually pretty great, especially if I've got something in common to talk about. Otherwise, not really. She's really impressed. Not like it. Yeah, normally he'll just say anything. This is actually something that led to my diagnosis because while I was away filming for MTV, I went out for a meal as a group with some of the other artists and I literally became stuck. I was trapped inside of myself and it got to a point where I was so overwhelmed by everything in my environment and socially especially that I physically couldn't speak. And it's hard because when you're trying to explain this to someone because you have to be in that situation to experience it and there's no way that you can test it really. No. How often does that happen? And that's a... Selective music is so difficult in a social situation especially if the other person doesn't really understand it or know about it. Which tends to be quite a lot of times that I go selectively mute. It's interesting the phrasing around it because it kind of paints it as something that you do consciously and you just want to become mute. It's not like that. It's definitely an involuntary thing. And it has happened to me a few times in social situations which is not always the best. Because you can't exactly communicate with them and say, hey, look, I'm being selectively mute. I'm not ignoring you. I'm not being difficult. And it can also really happen in emotionally charged situations as well. Which can exacerbate those emotionally charged situations. Yeah, I've gotten used to people being shot with me and rushing me. And so I was forced to be equipped with my responses even though my brain is still a step behind. Yeah. Leads you to saying things that you don't mean as well. Often, when you say that you experience kind of selective mutism and what type of situations would you experience it? Probably we... And I mean, for some bizarre reason, it tends to be more around people my own age. And I'm not sure if that's because, I don't know, are people our age more? I think it's because maybe you feel like expected to be a certain way, you're not doing what you're made to. Yeah, to act a certain way and behave a certain way. Yeah, and not be, yeah. And yeah, acting is when you're being that kind of typical person, when you're not a typical person. So you might feel like I can't contribute to this situation. So you just kind of come up with something. I don't know, I'm just trying to figure out but it is fascinating, I've experienced this. And it wasn't until you said it to me, we were like, what's up in talking about doing this video and talking about different things. These are selective mutism. And when I've experienced this, when I go to Naomi's mum's house and we have like, I don't know, do you like family dinners or like a family thing? Family dinners. Oh my gosh, they're the worst. And then Naomi says to me, it's like, Dan, you don't speak. Why do you engage with people and speaking and stuff? I'm like, I have no idea. Like I have no idea. It's the whole sitting back complex. Like if you try to enter a conversation when there is a space, because of that processing time, sometimes what we like behind and then other people take that space up. So that's why group conversations can be really difficult. And when you do try to enter those group conversations, you are met with like interrupting people. You know, and then you feel bad about it and then you don't try it again or you interrupt people and the people don't hear it and you're like, oh God, people don't want to hear what I'm saying. There's that pressure there to have to be social and to have to make conversation and then you're applying even more pressure on yourself. And it just spirals down to, okay, this is never going to happen. And I guess like... I always have this really intense fear of being judged on anything that I say. So then it gets to the point where it's so bad and I've calmed up so much that anything I do actually say, like any sentence I can actually get out, give myself a little pat on the back. I think a really, really good way that I've thought that I've come up with in terms of like managing my own social anxiety, getting better at speaking to people is basically giving yourself a bit of a reality check on the people in your life. People very much... They put out not always how they're doing and how they're feeling. You'll find that talking to people in group conversations are going off and talking to them one-to-one. Sometimes they're a lot different because they also feel that kind of social pressure to do good in those situations. And also people are not as put together and comfortable as you may think. There's been lots of situations like that in my life. And also everyone has their own perceptions of things. Not everybody lines up exactly with how you perceive things or how they perceive things. And so there's always that little bit of crossover, I guess, between them. I managed to say something. I totally get that. I mean, I can appreciate that. And it is a difficult thing to overcome. So I mean, maybe you are noticing this in say you're a parent watching this or a guardian or a loved one or whatever. And you're noticing these kind of traits in somebody it's quite interesting. If you're just coming across this for the first time then it may be possible that they have a spectrum condition. Because I find this is very valuable. Small talk. Okay, so number three is making small talk. And this one, I kind of ring stream me as well. I know a lot about kind of like how it's difficult to make small talk when having a spectrum condition because that is just like, it's super difficult. So do you want to talk a little bit about your experience in it and being a female and spectrum? Yeah, sure. I mean, like a lot of people would probably doubt this and a lot of people that have met me personally and that's because I mean, I will make the effort to chat to them but what I'm actually doing is running off a script of stuff I've learned to say over the years that is socially acceptable. And I'm just repeating myself basically in every conversation with every single person because when that script runs out, what do I say now? Yeah, I can totally relate. And like I have a few things that I talk about one, I'll talk about SEOs with people. And then when they're not interested in that, I'm like, okay, well, I'll talk about politics because I know a lot about politics, right? And if they're not interested in politics, I'm kind of all out, you know, there's someone who says to me, I want to talk about cars. I'm like, there's no way, there's like no way this conversation is gonna go in. There's a lot of situations like that for me. And I find it's interesting. I know that I'm, usually know that I'm talking to someone who is autistic when we don't have any small talk and we just jump straight into like a particular topic. Like we both just have a mutual understanding that small talk is boring, you know? Tell me about yourself. Let's talk about something deep, you know? Or something interesting or like critiquing certain aspects of life. Yeah, I mean, the making small talk element, I just find it boring. I used to try and do it and have like a script and stuff. I really just don't do that kind of thing anymore. I just say random stuff really. Nick, those situations are like the panic situations. I'm like, oh, what am I gonna do now? It's because as well, like, I mean, it's a common autistic trait that people with autism tend to speak about themselves and speak about their interests. And then you've also got that added factor where you have to actively try to pretend to be interested in that as the person went actually. You don't care. You don't care. Yeah, I don't do that. I'm just like, maybe I might do a little bit to be honest, but if it's something that I don't find interesting, I will try and switch the topic. It's okay. And it's not that you're not a caring person. It's just that you're very strict on your interests. That's all you enjoy talking about. It's very, very interesting. And I love kind of having conversations with other autistic individuals because you kind of relate to them so much. And it's interesting because he goes through life just thinking about things himself and he talks to me like, ah, yeah. I mean, because you can talk about autism. That's right. Because we can talk about that. I was just gonna say that. That is the shared commonality, the shared interest, you know, that you can talk about. If you're both autistic, you can also talk about autism. Because we have that kind of common ground, but it's interesting when you're with typical people who want to talk about cars working and going out. It's like, it's so weird. And especially like, I mean, I don't have typical interests that the girls have. For example, I think my nails done or... I have no idea what to talk about. I have no idea what to talk about. No, it's totally true. So I don't drink alcohol and like a lot of guys like love drinking beer and all this stuff. So if I meet like no one's family members or they talk about beer and drinking, I'm completely out of the field here. I have no idea what's going on, you know? It's really difficult. I think it's probably more difficult to find for people to find common ground with me. Yeah, maybe. It must be hard for them as well, because yeah, they must be able to sense when I'm not actually interested because... Well, look, I mean, like you said, it's a very typical trait of autism. And I feel that if you're experiencing this yourself and you can relate to this, then this is definitely a video for you. I wouldn't say this is particularly for women. Like I think men never say them. Ziya says that I've never been that autistic person to just talk about myself either. People tend to be self-centered around themselves. Yeah, I think it's a weird stereotype that autistic people have. I think a lot of people feel that way and they are self-centered. I mean, most people just part and part of being human, we do tend to be quite selfish. Even when we're doing good things for other people, that is a selfish act because it gives us particular chemicals in our brain, neuro-transmitters, hormones. They make us feel good about ourselves and make us feel good in ourselves as well. I think just autistic people, we just don't hide it as much, even consciously or unconsciously. I want to add below as well a few experiences. I love to talk to people about the different types of experiences they're having. Socializing. Okay, so number four is fear of socializing. And this is a huge one. Well, I mean, this is a not... I guess it is a social anxiety trait, but can you have social anxiety as a social anxiety trait? I think for anybody on the spectrum is a very difficult situation, especially for the people you don't know and if it's a large group of people. So let me know, how do you experience that fear of socializing? Well, I mean, it's not something that other people could notice because, like I said earlier, hiding traits. And this applies to this one massively because I basically, absolutely, I get like a limp in my throat and I feel absolute dread when I know that I have to be social with someone or speak to someone on a personal level. And it's not because they're not interesting, people is just because I generally am extremely intimidated by people when I first meet them as well. So yeah, it just builds up avoidance issues as well. Do you feel like it kind of builds up a frustration or an anger? So like, if you're forced to be in social situation and then masking comes into play, does that ever have a kickback? Like, oh my goodness, you know, because with me, because it's different, because when males on the spectrum, I just don't, you know, if I'm in a situation where people expect something of a viewer, we don't really technically have that masking ability, I guess, because, you know, the female. No, I would say that we do. I'd say that most men that I know just don't know how to. But if we do know how to mask them, we will in those situations, I think. I have, you know, obviously like going through life, trying to work on my own social abilities, social skills, just with anybody, not necessarily just neurotypicals. I found that if you are wanting to get out there and do things, one of two things need to happen. Either you are with someone that you know and that you trust and you feel comfortable around in a new place, or that you are in a place that you feel comfortable with, with new people. Either, if you can fill either of those categories up, or even both of them, tends to be a lot easier in my experience. Male brains do work slightly differently in that respect. I think that, I think it's because, like, in general, women are more socially aware, I think. Yeah, right, right, yeah. So, I mean, it would really matter to me what other people thought. So, I mean, I know that matters anyway, like, to some people. But it's a thing that you instantly think about at that moment in time, like, okay, I need to get through this, and I need to do this. And, again, masking comes into play. But I'm wondering, like, does that have a kickback? So, you do the, you know, you do masking, you go, you force yourself through a fearful situation of socialising, then, like, later on at home, do you ever kick you in the head and just... Yes, absolutely. So, like, anything that happens, like, any social event that happens during the day, I will go home and I will really sit and think about it and I'll think, like, well, I shouldn't have said that or I should have said it differently, or perhaps did I offend that person? And then it just... It is just like overthinking, reading into things so much. The thing is, it's kind of understandable because socialising is quite often quite intense and, you know, the whole act of going and socialising with somebody, you know, it's a very... You're basically sharing parts of yourself, parts of your life, parts of your thoughts with another person, you know? It's interesting, like, the way that she's describing it. It just makes you so scared of just socialising. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and even trying to do it. Yeah, because you just think that I'm useless at this and I'm going to fail, so then it just instills an absolute fear in you. And I don't know what it is. I don't know what makes me so scared to connect with other people. It's a fear of the outcome. And, like, in social situations, it's important not to have that really intense focus on getting a particular outcome out of it or coming across a particular way. You know, you want to try and make social events fun for you. And if they're not, and you just wanting to try and get into the habit of doing it, getting yourself out there and stuff, you know, don't put so much pressure on yourself to perform, to do well in your eyes because it's not the ultimate goal, you know? And the more comfortable that you can be, the better. Try not to read too much into it and try and control the conversation too much. It's fine. Sit back, enjoy, listen to people. Pitch in now and again if you want to. Talk to the person who's next to you if you're in a group, now and again. You can do that stuff. I know, I think it's because it's the unpredictability of people, because you don't have people that are going to react to anything. And I think that's the fear is that I don't know how they're going to react. And, you know, I just take me ages to figure this out and working on this channel and working with professionals is how I've come to that conclusion, but that's what I think it is. I think the intense fear as well comes from being socially rejected over the years. Oh yeah. Because you're rejected so often. And you start feeling like, yeah. Yeah, and then it gets to a point. You develop a lot of protective, like, unhealthy mechanisms in order to keep yourself safe too. Like, it's definitely an issue that I've experienced in the past quite a bit. Not so much nowadays because I feel quite confident in myself and who I am. But it's, I understand it, definitely. Like, you know, if you're wanting to make friends, you've got, there's a lot of pressure on it that you put on yourself. If you are wanting to, like, find a social group, find friends, and so it's very outcome dependent. And that's not necessarily what you want from going out and socializing. What you need to focus on rather. I mean, I wasn't treated very well in school. I was quite bullied in school for being the quiet one, believe it or not. And then you're even more scared of speaking because it becomes a bigger thing. That's crazy. But like, and that is the thing, you know, school is like probably the worst place. Like, typical mainstream schools, kids can be mean as heck. So this doesn't help, especially for females who are... I can't describe how much, just, oh my God, how many difficulties I've had just through school, which has just affected me mentally so much. One of the good things about going out there, socializing, meeting new people, you get a bit bigger of a sample size. When you're at school and you've had so many negative experiences with people, it can very much put a, how would you say, like a excuse the graph a little bit towards the negative. And so you can feel like you have like a different representation of what the world's like. It could not necessarily be like that, that everyone's kind of out to get you and is mean and doesn't want to talk and is complicated. A lot of people may be, but if you don't go out there and kind of try and gather more data, then you don't really get a good representation of what people are like. A lot of autistic people can struggle in the school setting, workplace, things like that. And so they have a very biased, negative view of neurotypicals and they can become quite hateful towards them as well in some cases. Like having defensive armor. Yep, I agree, hate school. It's not the best place for us, is it? The best to mask it because again, the females, they're so clever in the way that, you know, female with autism is like you said, they're trying to do all these things and the guys are just like lazy typically in that respect. They don't try those things because I have no idea why but that's how it works. And I just find it, it's crazy because bullies can be so horrible, especially someone who's already trying the hardest, you know, a hateful problem. Definitely, when you have to make the active effort as well and you have to, and I mean, as people on the spectrum, we do actively have to make more of an effort than the average person because it does, it requires a lot more. Yeah, it takes way more effort. Like just even going to like the store and picking something up is like way more effort involved for someone with autism than it would be for a typical person. Because of all that interaction, the likes that sound the stimuli, the people, the socializing, the then carpet and the money, the worrying, the anxiety. Guys, I'm gonna have to step away for a sec because I've just had like a really hot flush and I feel a bit sick. I'm just gonna step away for a bit and then I'll come back probably in like five minutes or something like that. I don't know what's happening. Just feel like really breathless and weird. Need to like lay on the floor, I think. Let's get through these ads and then I will switch to be right back. Sorry about this, we will finish the video once I'm feeling a little bit less shaky. Hello. Sorry about that. Just had like a really, really weird, kind of sticky feeling and like a headache. Let's continue the video. Outside, like it's all of those things out there, but I think it's just, yeah, it's crazy. Okay, so number five is isolating or isolation. Can we talk about a bit about how you isolate yourself and what isolation means? So, I mean, this is probably a follow on from the fear of socializing because what happens is you get such a big fear of socializing that you become socially avoidant and this can lead to other mental illnesses as well, like depression, for example. But sometimes, you know what I can... Managing like socializing is difficult because I find that particularly for myself, socializing doesn't make me feel better. It makes me feel good, you know? But on the other side, my social battery, like, anxiety, things like that. Yeah, welcome back. Thank you. Home and I can be really, I can feel really low in myself because my social life's gone out the window because I've just not got the energy to be able to invest in that because I'm busy during the day. And then what happens is I avoid everyone. I start to become depressed. Yeah, because it's kind of like a catchment so you don't want to go out because you're feeling kind of that fear of like, you know, the social anxiety stuff and you feel like it's gonna take more effort but then when you don't go out and do those things, you become a bit more recluse and then it gets worse and then it kind of plays in your mind and then your mood starts to dip and then you're just in a downward swipe. Big issue during COVID for me and at university actually. Also another thing as well, like, I mean, for example, I can go out with my friends, right? And I'll have an amazing time out with my friends. We'll have a great laugh and then I'll come home and I'll just cry and it's because, like you said earlier, all those environmental factors, everything that, yeah, everything that's, you know, all the information in your brain is trying to process it one time. It gets to a point where if you wanna see me, you're just gonna have to come to my house. I'll do it with the fact that text messages are the way to go. But like, I interviewed a guy, I was doing a collaboration video with a guy called Kevin Chapman, who's a really big YouTuber and autism advocate on the platform. And Kevin's got a son called Andy who has autism and he said to me that every Monday, Andy would come home from school and just throw up. Like every Monday, he'd come and throw up and he's like, why is this going on? No other day. Just the Monday, come home, throw up on the floor and he's like, Dan, what's going on? I said, well, he's had, you know, Friday evening, Saturday and Sunday to just chill out and be in his own zone and be comfortable and then he goes, yeah, and I have got very sick at school. Like, I think someone said in the chat, because maybe Jackie, like you had a days, you had the days present instead of usual days absent on your record. I was definitely like that at school, 100%. School environment, which throws them all out and he's having to deal with that all day and then he just goes crazy sick. So it's kind of like. That is something called the Coke bottle effect and it's something that happens a lot, seeing a lot with autistic kids, like teenagers, when they go to school or even during work and they come home and they kind of look like they're doing okay at school and in the workplace, but when they come home, that's when the issues happen and that's because you feel comfortable in that space and you start to unwind a little bit more, start to feel a bit better, like more comfortable being yourself and you sort of release all of that energy when you get home. I can totally understand about that. I've not really experienced that myself because I've just been used to actually myself for ages. So I can't remember the last time I'd forced myself to go on a situation because you want to go out and have that fun with your friends. I'm not really bothered. I'd rather just kind of like separate myself and I think that is the difference between the male and the female on the spectrum. The friends I have are the friends that just know how useless I am. Maintaining friendships and they kind of accept that and they just think, well, Charlotte is the way she is and if I want to see her, I'm just going to have to give her a call or... Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that. And I think that being proud of who you are as well is going to definitely help overcome any kind of stigma about those things. Okay, so I just want to say thanks for the... It's the same. So that is Dan from the Aspie World, has been on the podcast before. If you want to go check out the podcast that I do with the fam, it's very interesting. Also, Charlotte Tattoos on Instagram, if you want to go check her out. Please go and like and comment or whatever. Subscribe, as I said, in many of my streams. These kind of videos, these kind of streams, a lot of effort has been put into the actual videos and I'm kind of looking at it myself, reacting to it. It doesn't take as much effort, so definitely go and check out their stuff.