 Welcome to Toffy TV. I am joined here by Sebastian Valle, who is a supporter's liaison officer at Borussia Dortmund. Sebastian, welcome to Toffy TV. I just want to start with asking you about the atmosphere. Borussia Dortmund's atmosphere is feigned throughout Europe. Do you think there's any part of that to do with the fact that there is safe standing rail-sheetting in the stadium, as opposed to everybody sitting down? Sure, definitely, definitely. If we had here an all-seater stadium, we never had the atmosphere like we had. That's for sure. We have also all-seaters stadiums in Germany, like Berlin, like Munich, and you have never had a good atmosphere like this. I think it's not only important that you stand. It's also important that you can stand close to your neighbour, that you feel more at the atmosphere. There's no atmosphere when you have a meter space to another one. If you stand with your friends, with your guys, can have a bratwurst, a beer, can sing songs, that makes the atmosphere. It can automatically out of the people. Can I ask you the differences in a Champions League game at Dortmund, because obviously they have to sit at the Champions League game. Is there a noticeable difference in the atmosphere between a Champions League game and a Bundesliga game? Yes, it is a difference. On the south stand are normally, in domestic league games, 25,000 people around about. We lost a lot of capacity when we built in seats for international games, so there are I think 12,000 in total. What we do to have a good atmosphere too, is we try to focus the ultras in the middle section. This is not easy when you have international games because the season tickets are not for the same section like in the Bundesliga match. So for example, you have a season ticket for section 12. It's possible that you have your seat for a Champions League game in section 82. So you are not near to your friends, you are up in the tribune to sit down. What we do is, we have a special coming in for our ultras and we said ok, you can stand together. You are the heart here on the tribune and this is our respect to these guys. We will honour what they do for the club and that's what we do. So we have a good atmosphere at the Champions League games because the ultras can stand together. But we feel it is different. You have more tourists in the Champions League games from all over the world. You make it a little bit different, but it's also good. How important do you think it is to be as involved as you are with the ultras then, with a designated ultras group to get that atmosphere going? Is that vital to what Russia do here? It is in Germany, it's very important. The ultras are these guys who said in the tribune, ok, we gave the text. We said what songs we think they have the feeling, what song is right and in which situation and something like that. So you have to handle these groups, especially they are sometimes different. But mostly they are good guys. They do very good things for the club. This is the right character team. You know what I mean? So they support children's hospital and something like that. Not only the bad guys like policemen said. So it is far as important to bring together the fan clubs and normal fans with the ultras that can make some discussion about the atmosphere, about some other points that are very important for them. So when they know them they arrange and they build a big fan club who can bring the atmosphere in. Now we were at the game, stood on the tribune, the yellow wall for the game against Leverkusen. We thought as Englishmen stood on that wall the atmosphere was unbelievable, start or finish. But I'm speaking to you this morning and you said now it was quite quiet and the ultras weren't happy with the noise inside the stadium. So how does that last night compare to a normal game when everybody is up then? We have really good games in the season with very big atmosphere where you think the roof is flying up. Now especially at this situation we are still at the top, but Bayern came near. Now we feel that the team needs our support. Yesterday they handed out flyers to all the fans in the stadium and said now every tribune, not only the south stand, also the west, the east, the north, you have to sing, you have to stand up for your team, you have to bring them in front. And for all this it was sad. It was not good to cry just our special sections 13 and 12 gave their best and the rest is so apathic. They stand there if they be or if they're proud and look on the pitch. Maybe when the game is exciting I understand that it's completely okay. Come in to see a football game, not to sing songs. But this is our benchmark. The atmosphere, the yellow wall and we have to make clear that when you want to be apart in the south stand, you have to sing. You have to sing. You are a part of this great atmosphere and that's what we have to talk to all the guys, fan club people, ultras, normal guys, it's important. And on the other side it's difficult because we have big discussion inside between fan clubs and ultras. So we don't want that they become angry. They have to arrange and they have to talk about what is a real problem, why we have a quiet atmosphere, when the game is a special game, what is the reason, is it Sunday evening too late? Or are too many tourists here? I don't know. So we have a lot of ideas what we can do and we talk to our ultras and to other fan clubs and we will see what the future brings. I mean if that's too quiet I'd hate Sebastian to watch some Premier League games because it was deafening for us. Just finally you're an SLL supporter's liaison officer. Just very briefly what does your role include? Yes, I'm a social worker in our team. We are 10 in total, it sounds a lot, but we are divided into teams. We have four social workers, four sweet workers, they just work with our fans, with ultras, with Hooligan. We arranged everything around the games, the rules, transport, something like that. Then we have four colleagues who just manage all the fan clubs worldwide. Ticketing, fan club wishes, merchandise stuff, something like that. So that's why we are a big group. I'm the leader of the Sweet Work team and so I try to arrange everything, what is important for our fans when they travel to play games, when they come for home games. And stay always in contact with special groups, that's the main part of my job. Incredible and again something that we as English clubs could definitely learn to have this kind of interaction with a designated group of supporter liaison officers. It just seems that the brief tower in the water that we've dipped there in German football that they've got so many aspects of the game, right? And so many aspects that we're envious of, but once again a massive thank you for Sebastian, for everything and for us at Dortmund, for everything they've done for us. Thanks for watching.