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Yeah, I'm I mean, I don't know I like the way you said it more. So we're gonna go with that. Okay So her fee stays april 9th And she is a patron saint of muslim converts to christianity and you'll find out why in a second born in 950 ad in Toledo, spain obviously Where she was raised by her muslim father He was actually a king. So she was wealthy started off strong there And I kind of want to see the name her father go for just because it's wild It's yaya ibn ismail al maman bless you. Okay, like Thank you Yeah, so that was her dad's name. Um, that'd be a lot So he probably had a nickname probably yaya. Yeah. Yeah, I was about to say That's probably what it was. Um, maybe she called him dad Anyway, but yeah, he was the morish muslim king And I think you said this it was 10th 11th century and just for some context of that time 10th 11th century In this area in particular as you said he was a muslim king Christians were often imprisoned. So christians were more of a minority at that particular area at that particular time And that plays heavily into her story. Um, but as for a little bit more background on her It is it is rich. Well, let me pause. Let me roll back a little bit I said it was a weird one and I didn't explain why it's a weird one because There is so little information on this particular saint. I have 1 2 3 7 sources listed And I swear every one of those seven sources had the same paragraph We dive deep looking for these saints trying to find their story and we could not Find any more than what we're about to tell you. So if this episode was a little bit shorter than the other ones That's why we're really trying our hardest here, but um, I will say that she was the subject of many many paintings as I mentioned In many many plays. So I don't know what that necessarily means. I don't know if she was like, um Kind of held to a high regard and they kind of made a story around her I'm not sure but we're sticking to Only what we found historically Uh, and what we're about to talk about so back to what I said 10th 11th century muslim rule christians were imprisoned Um, but she apparently was really studied and very much followed her muslim faith She apparently she was very devout at least that's what was written But with that being said she showed a lot of compassion to the christian prisoners That I am assuming were imprisoned under her father's rule. There's not much written there Yeah, that was the emphasis when I was reading it was under her father's rule So that's how she was able to meet with them Right, and that's how she started to even learn about christianity in the first place And it piqued her interest and the more that they shared the more she was Wanting to possibly become a christian Under her father's rule so and unfortunately her mom died when she was really young And so she had a lot of sorrow there Um, but okay, so this is like the main part of the story, right? Right, okay So so when she was spending time with these christian prisoners and her father didn't know this He didn't know she was doing that so that was not allowed Um, she kept giving them bread And she would actually sneak out and hide the bread underneath her dress And give it to them, you know in secret and hoping that no one would ever find out. Well, unfortunately Like we said, it was against her father's desire. She was stopped by a muslim soldier And he was like, what do you have under your dress? Because I guess it was that maybe she had a lot of loaves that day I don't know like what You had the baby under there Got under there girl. Yeah, but like her dresses where it seems like they were very, you know, large and yeah So there's material. I don't know the painting that you see the most And it's really pretty stunning and the painting itself is gorgeous. I wish I could remember I thought I wrote down The name of the I guess I did not Oh zubron zubron z u r b a r a n This is the most popular. He did a series. He does a series of all different saints Um, but it's really a stunning kind of I don't know. I was struck when I saw it and and despite the little that we had information on her I was like, okay, this is still interesting. I still want to kind of dive into so many what it is Yeah, just because you have this really beautiful visualization of her. But yeah, big flowy. It's like a red dress King so you can imagine that wealthy dress, right, right, right, right? So here she is standing before this muslim soldier and um, you know, he's asking her what he got under there And she had like tons of bread. So what does she what does she say? Jordan? What did she say? She said I have roses. She's like I got roses and she Pulls out the bread from underneath her dress and somehow in the midst of her pulling out the bread from underneath her dress poof Miraculously turned into a bouquet of roses So she probably in awe herself like, whoa, how did that actually happen? Right? And the the soldier was like, that's weird, but whatever and moved on Yeah But she went apparently went back to the prisoners and it became bread again. Did you read that? I read that it miraculously came back to bread, right? So that's fascinating and that was just kind of like, I don't know the start of her journey Christianity It's more fascinating because she was a muslim at the time, right? She wasn't she wasn't even christian So it's like this is just a weird. It was for the christian people though, right? So she was serving them Yeah, it's a very interesting Kind of thing and again, this is and I think you may have mentioned this This is a pre congregation saint, which means that all we have is oral tradition So there's no real like depths of of you know, people going into all of this But it is it's still recognized by the church, which is why we're talking about it So at some point then she ends up getting sick She was so pretty young when she got ill, right? And it's most likely hemorrhagic fever excessive bleeding is kind of what what I gathered from the different places And what was interesting is that she refused help from the muslim physicians So her dad obviously being a king had access to all these positions and she's like, I don't want help from any muslim physicians There I didn't put this on my notes, but I read it at least twice where It's thought that she started down this road of conversion by conversating with The christian prisoners and this may have been why she refused help from the muslim doctors because she believed that They couldn't do anything for she started having faith on her right, right, right? And it was potentially revealed to her to go to st. Vincent's pool Um, we don't really know for sure again. This these are facts that we we're just doing our best here Because there's a shrine and it's the healing waters there shrine of San veneno de i'm not even going to try that b r i v i e s c a Anyway, it is the shrine st. Vincent's shrine is what it translates to and as you said they're healing waters And she felt very compelled to go there She wanted to go and she also learned that from the christian prisoners And so she was asking her father and I think her father at this point was like anything for you my love Like I got I got to get this girl figured out um and healed and so he's like yes So she was able to go right and she was able to I guess experience and or Dip into the healing waters and was cured. Yeah, and there I should note that there was a story about her being on a horse and On the way to the I only found this in one place. This is why I'm only bringing it up I'm only mentioning it just in passing Because I couldn't confirm this past this one source But just for the sake of being well rounded There is at least one story that talks about her on the way riding a horse and the horse is scared by a demon She falls into the water and is saved by an angel I don't know Like like I said just trying to give people information You know do your own research, but that's that wasn't within our notes But ultimately the point is she got to the waters and was healed She was cured and then decided to be baptized right in fact christianity at bergos and she began living a life of solitude she stayed there in fact and um Participated in penance and prayer and sacrifice near the spring. She wanted to live near that near the waters, which i don't blame her Yeah, I know right you you're like, let me stay close to that. Exactly. Um, and she apparently lived a really long life Yeah, supposedly she lived to a hundred years old Um, and there's nothing written on her death and here's something that else is really confusing that I had stumbled across One of the resources that we use often Which is very reliable had her listed as a martyr But in the same article it said that she died at a hundred years old and had no mention of martyrdom. So again Pre congregation saints sometimes Makes information is a good way to put it but so you might be wondering like what's the twist to the story? What more do you have for me jordan and christen? Well, in fact lo and behold That's it That will be all for today. That's literally all we have everything and that's okay You know we don't need to have um Something every time But we still wanted to bring you a story about someone that the church does recognize as a saint Someone that we had at least a paragraph of information on Someone who someone out there may have more information on and may be really devoted to and if that's the case Reach out to us. We'd love to talk to you. We'd love to have more information We'd love to be able to say hey This is someone who's far more learned in this than we are and x y I mean, she was curious about christianity. She converted through evangelists She had a strong desire to serve and help and love others. She's very charitable and we can learn a lot from her in this way um Yeah, so that's saint casilda of tulito and if you ever go to spain you guys should go check out I think that she has a tomb there near near that shrine And so that's that yeah, jordan anything else. I don't think so. Um I really I guess that's really it you never know who you're gonna touch You know what I mean? Like y'all be faithful Because you never know who you're gonna encounter and who's gonna be transformed By your acts look at you bring it back. I don't know. There we go. I like it. I like christian prisoners They're there to die right and they're converting these people. So I like it. I never know well done Well, well bring way to bring it back all glory to god Saint casilda, please pray for us pray for us. Hey, and if there's anyone on here, I'm not seeing any comments Did we get any just those three? Yeah, okay. All right. Well Next show let's move on and turn on the air conditioner because it is smoking hot in here Thank you guys for tuning in and we'll do the next show here. Bye. Bye