 Burn it to the top, boss top, we're your girlfriend fat, boss top, we're gonna do it how you want, boss top, yeah, everybody on us Check it, check it, check it, it's your unique host, it's your boy E.C.O. and I'm here with the lovely amazing official, Miss Jamaica, what's going on? Nothing, nothing, you know my dad walk on Hey man, hey man, this guy right here man, you know what, God just blessed you sometime and you know, God had just dropped a jewel in your lap, man This guy right here, man, out of the blue, man, I get a call and I'm like, man, God must be shining down on me, man Cause this guy, the caliber guy that I want on the show, man I appreciate that My boy big, big, big court is in the What's going on, bro? Man, he's in the building I'm here, dog, in D-Town in Dallas You know what, man, I seen court dog, man, and I was like, oh, that's the, that's the, I'm glad I ain't run into court dog I might have had a problem with court dog Hey, my wife, she, you know, she says that It's three versions of me, you got Courtney, you got court dog, and you got big court Man, you got E, you got little E, and you got E-dog, it's tatted on my back Exactly It's just the phases that you want You understand what it is Yeah So court dog protects Courtney and big court Yeah, yeah, man So man, I mean, being from Kansas City, Missouri, why don't y'all get so mad, man, when people say Kansas Bruh I'm sick of it Bruh They're fighting words, bruh What's annoying, I'ma tell you, I can see why sometimes people get confused Because there is a Kansas City, Kansas, and a Kansas City, Missouri But what's irritating is when we tell you, when we specify and say we from Kansas City, Missouri And then you turn around and say, oh yeah, so how is it growing up in Kansas? I'd be like, shit, I don't know That's me and him all day, that was funny Yeah Because I never, I didn't get it, you know what I'm saying? I never get up there, I've been to Kansas, I used to live in Topeka and Ogden, Fort Ryder Yeah But I hadn't been up on you guys' side, I probably been through there because we go everywhere So how far are they from each other though? 30 miles No, no, this is the crazy part This is the crazy part, I was actually born in Kansas City, Kansas Because my mother was at work at KU Medical Center So it's like, they're right next to each other You can get there by the street, you know what I mean So why you get offended then? Because it's night and day, it really is Kansas City, Missouri is a major city, it's big Kansas City, Kansas is Country It is But hey listen, they're my partners Shout out to KCK to the 913 Because you know what, I recently just said that when I go on platforms I'm going to start representing Kansas City, Missouri and KCK Why? Because I mean, you know, we together at the end of the day I mean the hustlers do their thing together, the rappers, everything It's different but it's still the same You're the only one, you're going to be by yourself I am by myself But I'm a leader I'm a leader like that More people might start doing what he's doing Exactly Somebody has to start Somebody has to start It's a curse, man It's a curse, right That brings a lot of issues too, right? No, no, no, it's not like that Oh, what y'all ain't talking about? It's like a funny type of thing, you know what I mean? No, it's no beef or nothing like that It's like a Dallas Houston type of thing Not Dallas and Houston and Pelotentrica, they'll kill each other Yeah, we tease each other So it's still a brotherhood, we tease each other Y'all good wholesome guys But the guys that go to prison or something up in that area Do they have any kind of... No, it's St. Louis in Kansas City Okay, let's see because you said Dallas and Houston When Dallas and Houston cast go to prison Right You got to Dallas Cowboys, you got to Houston Now it's the Titan, but it used to be the Aulers And that counted through because they argued with sportsmen Right, right Well, KCK, they claim our team So basically they claim the Royals, they claim the Chiefs Now, I mean, I'm probably getting in trouble for this But there's a lot of money on the Kansas side They might have more millionaires And rich folk than we do on the Kansas side Well, I don't know of Eddie Griffin from over there with y'all Yeah, he from the KC Moe side But I mean, in terms of Not necessarily entertainment, but business people I'm saying business people, yeah It's probably more money over there And a lot of times in Kansas City, Missouri When we get successful, we tend to move to that side too We move to Overland Park and Lenexa And all of that shit over there That's where the money is Man And it's quieter, it's slow, you know what I mean Now, I'm not gonna, I mean, you know You like to get, we already in Kansas City, Missouri Yeah She always go through the background She'd be wanting to know about the young boy You know how he first started, right I want to know all of that You know, your mom, your dad Were you a statistic? Because I call it statistic nowadays Because everybody who's been coming on our platform Seems to only have one parent they were raised with It's like unusual to be raised with Two parents in the house, all type of things So were you that statistic? I was Okay I'm an only child Yes, I was raised by a single mom I'm an only child I was raised That is right, that's for sure They ain't playing no games I was raised by strong women, educated women They ain't playing about you And I was the first grandchild So they doted on me I was treated like a little prince That's what I'm saying They ain't not playing about you No So because you had a great And just looking at what happened With you on the ride up You had a great life to me You know, as far as where you ended up To me Yeah, I mean, you know Nobody's immune to the trials and tribulations of life But yes, in terms of my formative years Yeah I was raised on love, not survival You know, I had a beautiful childhood The only reason I say that is because of the way That they're going to look at you Your mom, your aunt, the people in your family It's all females Yeah, they're going to say he did great With himself That's a good thing Yeah, absolutely Where are all the male figures? Well, my dad was not far from me He was close, ironically But I had a dad that showed up on 4th of July And not to shit on my dad I have to keep saying that because he's still alive But that's my lived experience, that's the truth Right He would show up on my birthday As long as you're alive, you can always still learn and change Right, and me and my dad, good We good My mother passed away in 2010 But you know, he would come on birthdays 4th of July You know, my mother held his feet to the fire I think my mother was the My dad had seven kids by six different women He was married to my mother and my eldest sister's mother But he would Hold on, hold on He was married to your eldest sister's Oh, okay My mom was going somewhere I'm the only child by my mother All of us are only children Wow With the exception of one baby mama That he had And do you have close relationship with all your siblings? Not all of them Some of them I do And with the exception of my eldest I didn't meet a lot of them until I was a teenager or grown None of us grew up together So I didn't meet them Do you look alike? Yes, me and my brother We look just alike Me and my sisters So you look like your daddy then I look just like my daddy Wait till I show y'all a picture Really? I'ma spit an image of him Wow Wow, that's dope, actually He was a handsome dude back in the day He was a womanizer You know what I mean? He ain't gonna be mad He ain't gonna be mad He's still like that Seven kids by six baby mama Right Yeah, he got it popping Oh, man My daddy's 77, he's 77, 78 He's still by some women He's still showing me pictures on his phone I'm like I have a sister That's 22 Are you serious? And her mother's younger than me My daughter is older than my sister So her aunt is younger than her Wow Yeah, my dad is a mess Your dad is gonna get an end Man, so you know Just coming up during that time, man And I had looked and seen Where you had gotten in trouble when you was young When you hit that bump in the road You know, during your 14, 15 Let's talk about that a little bit Just a little bit Yeah I think that's you know You go through that phase Where you kind of As my mother would say Start smelling your piss Yeah And some of that was You know, I came up in the crack era The gang era You know, the gangs infiltrated Kansas City And you know, you have that element You got the And then, you know Not to make excuses But you know, we didn't have the male figures And different things like that We influenced by the culture The culture is destructive So that's why I always say I was being a follower Not necessarily of a person But of the culture, you know Yeah And yeah, man We started doing our thing, you know We was And this is the killing part about it Looking back on it We all came from great households We was in the hood, right? I'm from the full block I grew up on 42nd and 10th You keep saying that But we got a spot called the full block And it's like But y'all's with two C's and stuff Two C's Exactly I'll let you rock You know, full block is really my people Y'all know what we're talking about I look at It's a full block everywhere Shout out to the Sacramento H-rated And Brother Lynch full block Everywhere But And we all came from good families So we were kind of like Just, you know Just out there thugging Really just for the adventure of it Okay It wasn't out of survival I can be honest with you Cause none of us really Struggled worth of shit You know what I mean Like we had great childhoods I'm just being honest, you know But I see where you guys had Y'all broke in You was the mastermind And you was the youngest one But you was the mastermind And I'm like This is horrible You did your research It was horrible Yeah But at any rate, man You know, just Give me the And that's so crazy That you said he was the mastermind Cause the first thing that Come to my mind is that You said you were a follower Of the culture And when I think about anybody Who's a follower I don't usually think of them As being a leader So, you know No, you can be You can be a leader, you know Within your immediate circle In your immediate circumstances But the culture as a whole You know, with the gangster rap We didn't know I wasn't raised on Crips and Bloods And selling dope That ain't what I knew In my household But when I stepped down To my environment That's what I saw And so that's what you begin To mimic, you know And it's a domino effect It's a ripple effect Some of it is psychological Because, like I say You become afraid, right So you start seeing Your homeboys getting killed Getting robbed And different things like that So what you do You tool up Cause you're afraid Yeah, yeah But then what happens is Then you kind of Inevitably start perpetuating That same element, you know And so now start getting good to you Yeah You see the respect to come with it The heart to come with it Now, you become the The motherfucker you was probably Afraid of, you know Without even realizing it, you know I'd seen, like I said When I was looking into The mishaps, you know I was like, man, you know God, give you a second chance Yeah, for sure He gave me a couple of chances He gave you a couple of chances But that was one of the times Like I said When you got off of that case Where you could have gotten time And it could have been taken to the next level You know, just seeing you Walk past that was a blessing You know what I mean Cause we wouldn't have got that Which one of them It was Kansas Which one Kansas City Chief We wouldn't have got all those We wouldn't have got a lot, bro I mean, cause I was Man, I was I was 15 And then I had a baby on the way You know, at the same time You know what I mean And I'm in there Looking at juvenile life I didn't take none of that shit Serious, bro I didn't realize how How deep of trouble I was in I didn't Until I went to court You know And they like And my DJO was explaining to me Cause I'm thinking that my My mama gonna come get me I'm like, I'm a juvenile Y'all can't do nothing to me They was like, what? No It's like, boy, you in here With ACA Attempted murder Burglary Robbery All these felonies Like, bruh You fucked up So back then They could charge you for As an adult Whoa And I believe They were still kind of Going through this thing In Missouri of what to do With juveniles They committed adult crimes So they were gonna certify me Which basically, in essence Give me juvenile life Keep me in juvenile Until I was old enough To get shipped to the penitentiary Gotcha Yeah So that's when it got real For me And then how did you Feel at that time? Um Um I was scared I was scared, man You know, I ain't gonna Front Like, I put the You know, the face on And the front on You know, I mean I was a bad ass But not to that extent You know, I wasn't Trying to be no career criminal You know, so When the judge told me That I was um He couldn't in good conscience Let me out Cause I was a danger to society I remember going back To my uh Cell And just kind of sitting On my bed And a tear trickled Down my face Oh yeah I was like Shit This is the other side of it I didn't know I had no That was my first reference point Of the other side I went So You know Uh God smiled on me And I was Able to You know, my dad got me a lawyer Is what it was And Juvenile court Works a little bit different They They consider All these other variables I always did well In school And academically At the time My mom was kind of Going through a little Something with You know In her life Um So they took all those Variables I was the youngest one On the case So they painted The picture So they gave me another shot and that's when they because I wanted to stay in jail when they told yeah I was in there maybe about seven months in jail because they they made me go and be on house arrest at my dad's house I hadn't lived with my dad. I didn't know him like that. So I was like When the DJO came and told me said hey, we got good news We're gonna send you home, but we're gonna put you on house arrest at your dad's I was like should I stay here? Because at that point I got acclimated Like man, we playing basketball for toast to toast and in juvenile was off the chain So I got I got used to the regimen, you know, I'm like, this is what it is I'm cool and she was like no you got to go to your dad's and that was that that was a little bit awkward because you Know I had a stepmother And again, it wasn't like me and my dad was estranged. It was just that we hadn't you know cultivated that father's son Dynamic we was just two niggas named Courtney living together. Yeah, you're junior. I'm the second you're the second. Yeah, okay So how hard was it living with him? It was uh, he was trying to set you straight. So let me so he was so let me take the conversation I had to have with him one time he did he was trying to lay down some ground rules And he called himself trying to look up on me, right? And I remember telling them kind of respectfully but sternly, but I was still out of pocket as a child a Youngster, I said man listen, bro. You didn't miss that time. I said dude. I just got out of jail I don't know if I'm going back and I got a child on the way. You missed him days, bro So I tell you what I'd be in this house. I ain't gonna disturb y'all But that you want me to come in at 6 p.m. That ain't finna happen. So, yeah No, he locked that door so I couldn't get in when he said so I could yeah So I he kind of forced me to to fall in line with it, you know But you know my dad never tried to like like, you know put no muscle on me and nothing like that, you know But it worked out, you know and my stepmother was sweet, you know, she uh, she she's good Yes, she stepped in and she's a good woman. You know, she was a Christian woman So she kind of took me on and it was it had his rough patches as as expected You know, I mean, but then too they were going through what they were going through as a married couple and she didn't sign up for that shit She didn't never had no kids, you know So, you know not understanding they already going through some shit and struggling now here You got you, you know your wayward ass son thrown in here with us, you know, and that just probably Made the situation even worse. So man just After that you counted you didn't go back through it with that situation for it's the breaking in you You quit all that after that. I quit all of that. Yeah, the breaking in Here come the night the streets. Yeah, here come we getting money now. Yeah. Yeah, I already know You know, I look at that time man And I really look at people don't realize how it influenced the 88 89 90 91 92 93 those were some times man It was a lucrative time. It was and we were hurting our people. We didn't give a damn. Yeah, you know, I'm being real I've seen it bro. And at the end of the day, I didn't I didn't think about it though. I was too young to know You know, I was too young to care. You care. Yeah. No Just to think about it. I mean, you know, I didn't have time to crack touch my household You know, as I'm sure everybody. Yeah Um, I'll be honest with you my game was weed and the reason that I went to weed is because even then I seen the type of time they was giving niggas over little. Yeah, you know I seen when I was hearing about niggas getting, you know, 15 20 years for for an ounce or for a 16th to eight ball I'm like, nah, that ain't that was worth it. That was a different for me I was like nigga, I'm doing this all the way. I'm doing both. You know, yeah Then you did have a little bit of integrity like I'm gonna just do this one or that one I remember those guys, but I was like, nah, man. I want it all You know, I'm being I was crazy man. I couldn't I could I couldn't Juicy he remember you don't want to go back there. Well, it wasn't that it was just that it just didn't add the money Didn't add up at least how I seen from for the time. It just didn't add up, you know Um, especially the cost, you know what because I remember the numbers back then and I was doing the numbers And I'm like, but you had a child too. I did that was a difference Yeah, I raised my child I'm still with the same woman that I have been with for I want the same woman that I was with You've been with her 20 years, she looks like she's 25. That's the way I do it. It's good living. Yeah, that's right That's right. God man Unless you smoke But but so you you basically was uh, you was this dude crazy You basically was uh, one of those guys that you only dealt with the way you had buffers I mean and I remember those guys too the ones who really you and but then I also looked at The the music you got into the music as well and that was a help I didn't give a dang but didn't know music. I should have been in music And that's what it was too man. Like even during my hustle days I was never really a born to lose ass nigga. Like I always still kind of had I knew it was something more for me. Yeah, I didn't know exactly what but I did have the dream of music and see I signed with p. I got with no limit in 95. Yeah, so I graduated high school in 94. Whoa You know Five what saw what what what was pved? Oh, what was he doing? No, that was right That was I signed with p right with 99 ways the die came out in tru the first true record And right before ice cream man that I want to know what what did he see in you? Why he wanted to sign initially what it was I sent him a tape, you know And uh, I sent him a bunch of tapes actually this is when he was still in the bay area You know, I mean I was rapping with my partner sisco. Uh, we had a group called ccg And um, I we just didn't want to be local no more You know I mean and so I sent the tape and I was just persistent You know, I called his voicemail back then he had a voicemail I would fill that bitch up. So nobody else could leave voicemails Every day I made it my business to just call back to back to back to back to back And finally I got on his nerves and he figured if I was calling like that then I meant what I was saying So he went and got the tape listen to it And he called me and was like, hey, I'm doing down south hustlers, you know, y'all want to get down I was like, yeah And so that's how I started like I was living with my dad at the time because when he called He called and he asked for Courtney. I didn't recognize the voice So I was like, he ain't here. He wasn't one of my homeboys, you know And so then he said we're telling pico. I was like, no, no, no, it's me. I was like, no, no, no, no That's me. I'm here and he was like nigga. You dodging somebody or something And I was like, nah, it's like my dad named Courtney. And so it went from there. So Okay, yeah you And and so that was his initial intention was to get you on down south hustlers, right now It was two of those but right it was two different ones. It was it was a double disc double disc That's what it was double disc. Okay, and you was on that thing and that was your first time meeting p That was my first time uh being in a real recording studio. That was my first time being to the bay area That was my first time being on the national record. Okay. That was my first time on for a lot of shit Well, well, who was in there when you recorded was because because I talk I I call i'ma tell you what I did I call my boy shout out klc. I called him last night I shout out the klc. I said this nigga court coming man. Tell me about he's a major good dude, man I said he said he I'm coming up there. He probably he said he doing something bogey city. Yeah, yeah, we got that uh saturday I'm going from here there. Yeah, he told me he said he coming up here He gonna come see me sunday. Ain't nobody told us so you better come and if you don't I said nigga I'm coming to that bad room. So let me tell you about klc So when when p flew us out to oakland, uh, he had an apartment for where everybody stayed in hayward Okay, and it was when I met beach by the pound I met klc. Moby dick. Um, it was mia serve on all of them were in apartment and um klc used to be so hard on me We ended up going out there to do the down south hustlers. We did the song r.i.p So a lot of people just putting together 20 some years ago that that's me on the inside of the cover on the ccg cover But um, so we ended up recording the album Out there as well. It's the first time we got to meet klu. You know, we got beats from out eating These are the folks that was doing shit for too short, you know, so we we thought we made it Yes, uh, yes, uh, and uh banks and all over. Yeah, man This nigga klc used to like like I felt like he used to make me stay after class like you know I'm saying he would just stand I would be in there doing my verse and he would stand in the window and just look at me Do it again, bro Do it again, bro. And he was just staring me while I'd be And I'd be like read my shit like I didn't make a stand in me like The klc was so hard on me back then. Do you appreciate it now? I did of course He was trying to make me better. He was trying to pull, you know, the best out of me. Yeah, for sure I like it man, you know, I heard so we told so many stories when he was on here, man Yeah, I I just started to repost now because I didn't have no no subscribers hardly I was like now at that time. I was like, man, I'm gonna put this boy back up So I'm for the start back going through it. Plus you gotta come back. But anyway, we talk all the time But it's just the fact of how people, you know, when you get to california you in there You do the downside. What was what sticks out in those in that time period just not other than klc What sticks out being in the studio for the first time around people you really didn't know um I'll be honest with you man. It was just a whole experience. I mean you have to think you know, we're kids I think I would just turn 18, you know, we had never been to the bay area Um, you know, p was like a no limit, you know, we didn't know the difference between a no limit and a and a major You know, yeah, we thought we arrived, you know, now there was a little bit of uh, internal Uh confusion just I would say with me and my not not me and my my partner but you know The manager we had at the time he he didn't really know what he was doing But he knew more than us, you know, you know what I'm saying? He was older than us and and it kind of it was a strange little dichotomy because You know me and p had such a we had developed and cultivated a close relationship My partner and p they hadn't met they hadn't talked until we actually got out to california They was meeting for the first time. So imagine me and p are talking for months before we go out there You the leader so by the time we get there You might not even be the leader but in his eyes you are the leader for sure for sure I was the spokesperson. Yeah, but it was just the vibe me and p are kind of cut from the same cloth Yeah, that's why we've been friends for so long. Yeah, but him and my partner they really didn't mesh You know just to say what it is, you know, I don't think my partner cared for him and p didn't care for him Is this the part of the sound like him? No, that was That was another one that would come in and out the group No This is another guy. So why do you think that your partner because it's been a long time? Yeah, for sure. Do you see you and the guy still talk? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, why would he ever confide in you and say hey, man? No, this is exactly what it was. No, what it was it was See I had we I had the insight and the foresight to understand that we didn't have Any leverage, you know, it wasn't like we had a big buzz wasn't like we could go to p and say hey, man You know jive or sick with it and rap a lot said this can you match it? You know like some you know what I mean? We couldn't we didn't do that. I understood that Him on the other hand, you know, not that he was completely wrong. He wanted to do business He wanted to do corporate business He was like hey check this out and the manager at the time was on the same shit He was like they came at p like yeah, so what kind of vans you talking about, you know, what's this the contract? You know p hustling P like nigga Muffin i'm giving y'all a chance y'all niggas ain't nobody Which he was right, but then also you guys was right too. It can be too rough. This is my point Correct, but I knew this but I knew that you're trying to do the right thing in the wrong situation I was thankful. I was more thankful for the opportunity in my exact I remember us being in a hotel and we talked about it and now we're 18 We don't have a reference point of no music business. We're just going on common sense and I remember telling them I said bro. I said let's just do it. I said we don't what do we have to lose at this point You know what I mean? Because if we do it and it does well Then we're gonna get what we were at that point, but right now we we're gonna we go back home We ain't got shit else to do exactly, you know, so that was my position on it Yeah, I like the fact that you at 18 was able to converse like this because at 18 niggas we gonna rob I mean, you know in your mind like 18 We knew we couldn't do that I know we can't do it. Yeah, it's hard, bro. Yeah, you say that but but then you the same 15 year old ever took a Stilling gun. That's true. That's true, but you had grew mature enough to know that you and then I had I had already kind of You know establish a brotherhood with Pete. So that's the difference. That's the difference I looked at him like I said when we met it was like we all already knew each other Yeah, but him and my partner mean for the first time they talking for the first time You know, so it was it was it was a little you know and then p was going through different changes with no limit You know, um, he was having they were navigating some internal shit, too And then success hit him. It was it was a lot going on was your uh This okay master p trying to figure all this out. He young too. Yes He young too. That's the part that everybody don't get I get so upset with people when they talk about bird man A masterpiece I get upset about people when they talk about these young guys who was came into this monitor this entrepreneurial wrap industry We were trying to figure it out trying to figure it out. So I get upset, bro. You don't even know the same way, bro I don't play about south anyway. I'm gonna be on the way. I'm kind of throw it off. You know, I'm saying I'm biased But that's one thing I get upset about me like man, uh, man We ain't had much down here and when they were for Peter even go from New Orleans up to california and then establish himself Yeah, that's all that's a whole lot right there at the age. He was yeah and being a young father for him Also help you and him had a lot in common. Yes, exactly Exactly. I mean either one of us smoked a drink. We was really workaholics. We was focused. We both were dreamers You know, we both were athletes So, yeah, we had a lot of commonalities that you know He ever talked to you about when he was trying to go to the league and all that or when he did play in the League because y'all was friends during this time. Yeah, for sure How did what what was some things that was messing with him during that time? And I'll ask you that kind of stick out till your arm was good for him during that time I mean that was always his initial dream You know P was an athlete in the basketball player before he was a rapper and a ceo That was his initial dream. That was him going back to his calling. Yeah, you know me So for the rest of the world, it was like, uh, what this thing to try and play ball No, that's what he started out doing. You know, he only the the music shit was a default That was like fuck. I got I got hurt. I got to figure some other shit out You know, so that was just him pursuing his dream, man He still does I see him play a little bit. But now he's trying to get into coach. He's trying to get a coaching job Coaching job. Yeah with the Lakers at this point, you know, and I know he tried with the pelicans as well I don't hear this bad team, but he's he's entertained that as well You know, but Romeo Romeo didn't take to it like that. I thought at one point that that's what he was going to do He did Yeah, I think that yeah, I think maybe his passion was just more with movies and movies Yeah, I seen him grow up into a man, man Yeah, as my son did as well Like I say, I'm watching these things and when you when you see these are the things that you look at And you like man, you know, I can do it too There I'm being real when you a person that's of age and you know, these guys Running about the same age you like kind of look at it and be like Yeah, hell if they did it hell anybody can do it gives you an opportunity to think that way Exactly, you know what I'm saying? So I appreciate y'all for that for sure because y'all was hustling man. Yeah, man So so how did that how did that double tape that double? I want to say cd so bad, but it was cassette tape No, it was a double it was both. Yeah, it was both though, wasn't it? Because yeah, I mean you can do both was the first one to do that a lot of people try to give credit to Tupac with all eyes on me. No, no, no, no I remember that and I'm gonna tell you what threw me out because I called Bobo Luciano about it and he said it was two Two I'm like, no, it was a double. I said I said no double one thing about me. I really was I really bought that You know, I'm saying I'm investing my money into that. Yeah, I was buying the two and I had them You know, I'm saying and it was dope, you know, just being a UGK fan for sure always You know, I always just always was watching what he was doing because all that Louisiana, Texas Is like right by each other. So how did you how did you with your first time going down to, um, Louisiana with him because you did go down there How was that like because you went from Kansas to to to california Back down to you had to go visit. Well, no, so when when they when he was in the bay I was because you got to think I'm like square tank. No limit You know, you have different phases of no, you know, I mean, I'm what you would consider a lifer So I'm square tank. So when he went back to baton rouge, they went to baton rouge. No, I was still in kansas city Okay, so you went back to kansas city kansas city And then how long did you stay in kansas until I moved to la in 2001? How many years were you in kansas? Maybe Five after that you was a celebrity. Um, good celebrity. Yeah. I mean, yeah, maybe a little Yeah, I ain't gonna I ain't gonna put the tin on the tool Yeah, they knew you down there. You've been with no limit the dude. Yeah, these niggas is working. Yeah, they knew me I mean, you know, I had I had hood hood, you know, I was uh, infamy hood infamy to who Because some people didn't respect or didn't or were jealous because jealousy is that oh man Yeah, I'm used to that. You had to rival you had people to deal to this day. Really? Yeah We oh man, you gotta think No, but what it is you got them too. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you gotta think what social media is easy access Now everybody can have an opinion everybody can you know, they they presume what what your life is Social media and they draw their own conclusions and you got motherfuckers looking at your profile. Just just just steam and mad No, I know that I make fake accounts all of that, you know, I see them too How do you deal with all of that? Oh, it's hard, but he's been dealing with a long time I'm gonna tell you what what what what happens is, you know, for one, you just have to be rooted and grounded in who you are You know, you understand that everybody has an opinion, you know, social media It's a lot of mental illness out here too. A lot of people that just you know You might have somebody leave a negative comment and they somewhere in a basement with a helmet on sitting in some tidy Whitey, you know, I'm saying yeah, you know half retarded and and no, you know, I don't mean that I get it. I get it. You know, um, so I get it's a gift and a curse with social media You know, you just have to know who you are and be grounded in who you are and you can't, you know Have yourself worth caught up in other people that you don't know his hands because you got to keep going back to him for it If you do, you know, so you can't please everybody, you know Now I've had to run down on a few people that I knew loosely that was that was talking crazy on social media You got to get some straightening with them because sometimes, you know If if certain people play with you and try to create a narrative, you know It's like in in school then everybody else think they can do that. That's what we're learning how to do We're learning how to pick and choose who to respond to exactly because at first, you know, you take the higher road I'm like, no, I'm not gonna waste my energy, right? But you realize that there's some people you do have to you do have to check. Absolutely You know, it depends on their influence It depends on how many people paying attention to them because you know The truth can stand still while a lot runs a marathon, you know, I mean So sometimes you got to get in there and put an alternate narrative out there Yeah, yeah, and you don't got to stay with it, but you just got to make a statement. That's what it is. That's what I said, you know Yeah, yeah, so I think the most important thing is it's definitely chess not checkers. Absolutely. Um, you just got I'm a god fearing person. So always the steps of a good man is all about the lord for me So I basically walk in purpose me. Amen. I always say, man, you got to be a purpose Yeah, yeah, like so everything I'm doing is is pretty much being articulated for Longevity for us to be in the game a long time, you know what I mean for sure And to keep these the young boys straight too, you know, god put these people in In this whole under this umbrella. So we wouldn't get rain on them. Be honest with you So I'm rocking with them. So at the end of the day, man, we just got to do what we know to do and keep it moving help our people help the culture. That's what That's what you're doing. You know what I mean? That's why I like your platform That's why I was telling you that. Thank you, man. You know, we try how we doing up in here, man We you showed up man. Is it you seen it on on on on social media? Yeah, but but see in here We we cut people off. We talk. We have a good time. They'll be like, let him talk I'll be having a good time, bro. I tell you they do the same shit to me Some of the comments they're like, well, why don't you shut up? You know, sometimes I'd be wanting to get in this I don't say nothing. I don't say nothing. I'd be wanting to say, boy, if y'all really could I wish I could just hit the button and talk to you, boy. But you know what? I'm gonna tell you something if people's uh Real-time location and information was attached to their comment. They wouldn't say half of the It wouldn't be no fucking comments. Everything would be your group. Yeah, they wouldn't do it And people just be you know, sometimes what I can't stand is you know how we all click up Or interviews and people would say something about a clip and I'm like, I'm not even just that You get that too Or they'll say something and I'm like just wait for the whole interview and you see exactly Now you can't draw a conclusion from just this one that exactly just wait, you know what I do That's when I get the dry snitching on Vlad. I'll be like, man, Vlad be on clip 42 and you over here fucking with me But I think it's because I think it's a it's a thing where I don't know I don't listen to them I know already for me and I'll say this for all the people who watch it, man Is that I know that the engagement on a clip is better than an engagement on a hour-long video So I'm just trying to make sure that I because this is a a computer that we're dealing with This is not human people. Exactly. So you got to make sure you calculate your moves, correct? Yeah, starting up. I started out just dropping an hour-long video I didn't even know and then I was reading and some little white kid was like, do you know you can't do that? I'm like, damn me But you know what it's preference because I've had this conversation because I'm being in the same lane And it's preference because me myself when I see some shit that's two hours long. I don't want to watch it I'm not watching it. I prefer the clips to be very honest with you. So it's preference You have people that'll be on my but then what it is is they get antsy when it's good But then if you're watching the clips and all the clips are so good, you can't you will sit down and watch that two hour Episode because you're like, no, you know, it's gonna be a very good thing I told, uh, I think I don't know which one of them or I told somebody this morning I say, you know, really the clips is like cutting up a steak for you. Right, right? You know, I'm cutting your steak and I'm giving you the good parts. I'm not letting you eat the bone You know, I see me now see me my analogy was different. I was like, you know, we whipping this thing, you know I'm stretching it It is stretching it and chopping it up I did that analogy But I'm trying to be nice But my analogy is of when you're watching a tv sitcom And you know how they always end it at that spot and be like, okay I can't wait till next week and at least that one you wait until Whole week to see it and you can you mad you mad because like you want to see the rest of them like But they do that on purpose till next week. That's why I love my daughter put me on to anime Yeah, and when you're reading you can actually pay. Yeah to watch the next week one now Yeah I'm gonna put that option Yeah, you can only watch up to a certain amount that they drop So if they only drop five, but then we reach the five is still left at a cliffhanger You know, but at the end of the day, that's a good thing because it means that the content is resonating That's the only thing they just they want it, you know, so you know, you're doing something right I want to I want to push over to the uh, but at any rate, man I want to talk about uh, the cat williams incident because that's a that I don't want to talk about alone I'm not gonna do you like that But I do want to talk about there's a couple of things in there. I seen that was a fat guy that was there Yeah, I'm thinking that was phase on It wasn't I sure we wanted to make it I was gonna tell him, you know, I called it was like say niggas. No, it was you It wasn't phase on but it was a fat. Uh, he said fat comedian. Yeah Like He wasn't a known was core hold come fat No But okay, but if you got the right name No, he won't even know the name if you got the right name. I would No, okay. Well, he was popular on the like the local la scene. He was trying to get a job with I guess helping to write for cat You know, uh, I believe so. Um, I believe that's what he was Well, but let me just ask you man. Why is you out here playing basketball taking this boy to the hoop? You know, I wish to have phones back No, we did this This was Maybe 14 y'all have phones but you didn't record Well, you gotta think man cat cat was uh, and listen, this is the thing about a cat 15 year old choked him This was before this is before that. That was a hell of a fight man. That was before that So you sent him into that shock that that whooping would send him on into that He was going already though. I think he had I think he was having a just breakdown during the time Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's pressure man. I mean, it's the thing about it. Me and cat were really tight friends You know cat was in my first movie that I produced. I have produced a movie called young american gangsters Um, he was cat williams at the time, you know, so he could have charged me He could have been on some hollywood shit, but he didn't he showed up for me gave me the whole date for nothing You know, I mean, wow. So, um I know cat cat is a good dude. He has a great great fucking heart. You know what I mean? Sometimes Faizan said the same thing. He's got a great fucking. He's a great dude shoes. Yeah He was like, man, I tell him I can't let you buy me no shoes That's why I thought it was Faizan when he told me that story I can remember when he was into it with Faizan when I was with cat, you know, and him and Faizan was beefing or he had Beef with Faizan's brother when he put a gun on him to unload it good No, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. Who would do that? Why would someone do that? That's crazy. That's can't wear you that little cat man. This is one thing about cat, man Cat I don't care. He might still be mad at me, but that's my nigga. That's my brother cat a little nigga, but cat cat will go He got heart cat don't care When lose a draw like that shit with will smith and and and chris Would have went different Cat would have got dead on his ass. No, I promise you I promise you He doesn't seem like a person that's just all mouth and nothing behind No, no, I don't think that no cat gonna crash out He gonna crash all the way out fight that little boy. Look, if you fight a little boy, it don't matter who he don't care about losing Cat gonna go. He don't care about losing He gonna try. Yeah, so he went he went ballistic after you hit that ass. What was it level? Y'all went one to a level Yeah, we were playing when you hit the level look look you you what was it? Was it a layup or was it a jumper? Nah, nah, I posted him up Because you know, he got the speed cat cat fast, you know, he wasn't him Little niggas So you you you you you you you posted him up and gave it to him up. I had to give I mean you gotta think I'm a hundred pounds Every in him. I'm a foot and a half taller than him, you know, so I told him what was gonna happen He just he's walking the nigga to the goal. Yeah I walked him down and he and we were playing think about we were playing for Desert Eagles, bro playing for guns Oh And so once I beat him I told him I said man, you can keep your little raggedy gun Oh, man, I love it man because he had He and he doesn't shook back a little bit. Yeah, he doesn't shook back to where he ain't even focused on the crap no more So he must have I don't know, you know, that that lifestyle has to be tough on all y'all Let me be sure because everybody's always looking and you trying to hold your composure throughout every single incident Yeah, I'm gonna tell you what it is. I think sometimes Yeah, yeah, I think like what I learned from p and what I what and I think why we're kindred spirits is See, you have some people that don't know how to turn off Right. Yeah, see for us. It's a job, you know, like I'm not big court every day all day Just when I when it's time for that when I go home, I'm court need, you know When I'm out doing what I'm not, you know, so where you have some people that they're that that celebrity or that You know brand or whatever all day every day, they never turn off and that's where you lose yourself You become that, you know what I'm saying? So that's where I think some people struggle like I think cat I mean, you know, I I don't know for sure, but I know people that were close to him for him It was more of a Mental chemical thing. You know what I mean? I never seen cat do drugs. I was around him a lot I've never seen him do no drugs no dope nothing like that is him naturally Yeah, I think it was just whatever, you know, he gets in these manic states or whatever You know what I mean? Because I think he did have bipolar or something like that So that's why I was able to get past our little thing You know, I charged it to his mind and not his heart because I know his heart You know, I've seen him give jewelry to people. I've seen him give money to people. I've seen them give cars to people You know what I mean? Just because they needed it, you know, and and he's never wanted the You know the accolades for it or nothing like that. He's a good dude He'll help you with your career if he can, you know what I'm saying? Now, he's not perfect Now, I mean he's not above doing some fuck shit, you know, but for the most part he's a good dude He's a good dude That's that's what matter man. Like when you can see because that's people put people in boxes I say this on a lot of episodes. We can't do that You know, because people are always evolving so you can't just give up on a person here and leave him Now forever and I think that's why people make their biggest mistake at on people I think that's a sense of immaturity like I always say and because you got to let people grow and evolve Man, don't hold them back and none of us are in a position to condemn anyone come on judge That's why I always say I leave with grace and mercy, you know what I'm saying because I know I need it, you know I'm not infallible. Fuck. I know I fuck up all the time and I made me speak and need somebody to You know, forgive me for some shit. So I leave with that. I know I'm the one man I mess up in a minute nigga. I will be having to call you tell you. I'm sorry man I went off on it boy. I shouldn't have did that man Right, just chill. I just did that. I meant just what we was talking about I had to run down the nigga in Kansas City for talking shit on social media. It felt good in real time But then after the fact I was like Damn that was wrong. I should have did that I should have had his kids with him Yeah, you know, and I'm out here and and why why I'm doing that my fuckers is seeing me like make I get a picture So I'm taking a picture then going back to arguing with Disney, you know what I mean? And I was like somebody videotaping that argument. I guarantee I don't think I don't know it ain't came out But what it was is I felt irresponsible because I created A scenario that could have went bad for both of us. You know, I could have did something to him He could have did something to me over some bullshit really You know, I was right in standing on what I was standing on but at the end of the day How you react to the situation right in front of you because in life We are tested every day in different ways and I always tell everybody we don't live our lives for ourselves And at the end of the day, you don't know what he went through what he's been going through to make him lash out at somebody else For sure true story. So by you Showing being a bigger person that's a lesson that he could take and pass that along to somebody else You know what? I'm right. Hopefully, you know, uh, I you know, I was in the in the real because you know We're human too. You know, I try to be better. I try to rise above, you know Um, and I don't think it was necessarily a disreputable moment for me But when I see him the next time I see him I am going to pull him to the side and say, hey my nigga I meant what I said, but I was wrong for pressing you like that and creating that environment Intimidation and we it could have got ugly, you know And I I opened the door for that and I actually was like, shit, we can do that, you know And but I was in my feelings, you know, I would you know, we all At the end of the day, we all can get caught up in a moment, man And yeah, we have to figure it out as we go man. We're nobody perfect, bro Right. So that's the whole game, man. You know, I know for sure But yeah, yeah, you yeah, I I was looking at how and was it really true. I got to go to the cab for a minute You said that you was riding when you was leaving after you had to hit that last point and you bow guarded him That that somebody came up behind you. It was him. Yeah, and just nailed you from the back And he just rear into the car like boom. Yep rear into my car. Did it total it? Yeah, they end up totaling it But you kept going I kept going but the car how much damage the gas, you know, on the move is it would have blew up? He was in the escalade I was in a that year Tahoe and um, uh, you know, my survival Instincts kicked in because it was on a real dark street. You know, my my spot. All that again. I'm mildable Okay, that's that's not the he was on caning. Yeah Yeah, we was on the dark street killed you. Yeah, absolutely could have. Yeah, absolutely could have So when he hit you, you basically now you you don't know who it is at the time. Well, no So what happened was as I was leaving? Um, I I felt something because before prior to me hitting the game point, which we knew was gonna happen Uh, he went he had somebody go call some people. Okay, and I kind of was like, uh, you know, I you know, I know I know this shit. I heard you say at the time sugar was his manager sugar was all this adding up for me Yes, yes, right, right. And so, uh, by the time that he had them go call someone, it was probably maybe almost an hour So they had enough time to get there and they did and so, uh, when I hit the corner It was a it was like a Bentley parked to the side with the dome light off, but the door open Okay, so I now mind you caning is a desolate street, especially at night It's dark and signal ain't well. That's where kevin hart had that accident. Oh, you really? Yeah, and so I figured, you know, I know what it is. I figured maybe it was on some bullshit I can be a cheerleader for foolishness. So I rolled my windows down thinking that okay I just got to get down out of the out of the car, you know, so when I rolled by the Bentley I had already level, you know, I had a fm five seven. Oh, yeah, you want trying to hear saying so, um, Didn't nothing come from it. So I was like, okay, but there was still a little something so I was watching my rear view mirror and um I say about two or three minutes later I just see headlights just coming fast as hell in the in the rear view mirror and Yeah, I didn't know that it wasn't that it was an escalator I thought it was that Bentley because it was coming so fast And it just I thought they were going to come on side of me and they just he just ran it to the back of me And it was just like a gust of smoke my ears start ringing, you know in the car Nope, the airbag I never knew it was him So so well so what happened was I so You know my survival instincts kicked in I said, okay, it's dark out here. Let me keep going So I kept going the car was and so it was another car that came. Oh man, you know, and so yeah, you know, I mean At that point you had to let him know Back up back up back up. So I had to get them up off of me. And so what did the car behind you? Did it stop? Well, no, they came up. It was it was some cats. They were trying to get inside of me When he hit you. Yeah, because he told it. He told he had to stop right there. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it looked like he hit a train This is what somebody told me. Yeah, man the front of it looked like he hit a train They never would come in with man. He was cutting ass, bro And so, uh, I had to get them up off of me. Then these fools came back Like and then I had thank god for the fn. Yeah, because they were they wasn't trying to hold that Yeah, it wasn't nothing out there to even put outside on it. So no, no, that's what I'm saying It's we on a windy road. And so all this time, um, the uh, you're a heck of a driver Yeah, man, listen man Onstar was was talking to me the whole time. I didn't even realize it. I thought maybe I was dead or something You know what I mean? Because I that's god talking to you. Yeah, because they was like, yeah, sir Are you okay? We see you at a high impact collision. Do you need help? And they said it about six times before I realized what it was because your adrenaline is running adrenaline is going And then, you know, when you in those type of situations, you know, you get tunnel vision Yeah, and you get tunnel vision and your ears go, you know, it's the adrenaline. So, um, finally I was like, oh I was like, yeah, I was like, I got hit but you know, I didn't want to stop I start making up some excuses and shit. They was like, what a police are waiting on you When you come out because it, you know, it was a windy road Yeah, they said when you come out there waiting on you I'm like, oh shit because I didn't know What the status of these other fingers was, you know what I mean? So I had to stop and, you know, saying dump the whoopedy-whoppy Yeah, everything okay. So they weren't still chasing you at this point? No, no, I backed them up. They made them get back at you Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? You know, said thank god for that fan. So, uh, uh, so I the police met me and They was they they hadn't known they didn't know what they just knew it was an accident and they were like, damn So I remembered them looking at me looking at my my my physique and they was like damn, bro And looking in my car and they was like, man, if you wasn't built like how you are you probably would have been hurt Yeah, but all this shit was hurt. It was hurting. It was tight and shit. You know, yeah the impact Yeah, and so I felt it the the days come. You know what I mean? But um, so I ended up going home and I'm calling cat calling cat. He wasn't answering But I kind of knew, you know, it was some fuck shit mixed up in there Come on, man, you know that and you know cat went for the answer that phone. Yeah. Yeah, he never did He never did you haven't talked to him to this day? So listen, this is the thing about I want to hear if you talk to him Elba I I did one time where on ig live Oh, y'all would lie together. No, no, it was it was live first You know, he was live and you jumped on so this is what happened If y'all remember that period where he was going live and he was going in on kevin heart every day Yeah, it was doing that period and I just happened to tap in on one of his lives Right and I I I said something I forgot what I said But I seen him he kind of looked at it like oh And so I think I said bring me on nigga, you know what I mean? And he pulled me in he pulled me in it was an awkward exchange because This is exactly what we said. He never looked at the camera. He wouldn't look at me And I but we were talking in cold. It was funny because I said, yeah, bro I said, uh, you know, we need to wrap like, you know, you need to highlight me He was like, I avoid you And so I was like I avoid you and I was like, why bro? You don't have to you know And and I was like if I you know, if I wanted something to happen it would have happened already I said, but we you know, we can holler, bro And he was like, uh, he said when you met me or something he said what What was I said you was you you was a comedian. I said when you met me What was I he said when I met you you were a gangster This is what he said. This is what he said That's a true story. This is a true story and then somehow or another it clicked off It went on. I don't know if he hung it up or whatever But the comments people was like, hold up. That was a real nigga conversation That was some real shit going on. It was because it was I didn't expect him to pull me on I was laying in the bed. Yeah, you know what I mean? But that's the only time that I have talked to you know, you you did I heard about the Kansas incident where he decided to go to Kansas City, Missouri Yeah, I was still in my feelings. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but this was how long after that though Shit, this that was maybe Two years. Yeah, you were two years This was before the call before the online. Yeah, this was before yeah before that night you let it go You said that after that incident where that was a god that I let it go. That was a god thing. I'm telling you Yeah, but that that with the way you explain that. Yes for your mom to be there. Yeah. Yeah, that was Even if you think about the guy that was there that I had Being the server. Yeah. He got killed last year. Are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, see Yeah, so are you still in touch with the mom? Um, yeah here and there here and there. Um, but yeah, man It was uh, yeah, that was I was still in my feelings That was my ego and people around me was telling me that, you know, they was like, bro, leave that nigga alone Like they told me there was like, what peace? Leave him alone. I know what peace is. He been told. He said, dude, he said, he told you don't go He told me don't go to the first place when it happened. He was like, nigga I told you about fucking with that nigga like, you know, so you know the nigga have crazy And I'm like, yeah, bro, but that's my boy. I didn't think he'd do it to me He was like, nigga, he crazy, you know what I'm saying But but he got a lot of love for cat too, you know, he really does Um, and we all do like I said, it was just that that period but um, Like I said, I always will have a love and and a respect and uh, you know Somewhat of an allegiance to cat because of I know who he really is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so we'll have our time It's not what I call a part. It's it's somebody was somebody else who did that right the truth I had to let time go by to to realize that I gotta get you I gotta move forward to this, uh I'm jealous of you. Uh-huh. You you didn't interview the greats. You you interviewed ice tea Oh, you're gonna be you're gonna be Shout out to ice tea. Maybe you interview jay branch. Respect me like respect. That's the one I've been shooting for I got all kind of little ways. I'm trying to get him on the show I've been I've been really working. Yeah, you don't even realize that all the all the interviews I do evolve around The fact I gotta get jay prince on this on on this platform I think it'll happen one day because we Be in Texas doing what we doing and not even get We don't get it. Yeah, you'll get them. Yeah, we don't keep working. Yeah, you'll get it. I think it's just a time at things Yeah, I want to make it right though. You know, yeah, it's a it's a few people bumby It's certain ones that I have I have Access to reach out to but I'm working to make sure like everything I do Is set up in a way to where I feel like this is why I want to be I told you I'm gonna calculate my steps Yeah, but I know it's been a blessing to be able to calculate our steps, you know But how was that man with jay prince? You guys have a long running relationship because I've heard pee say that that was one of his Influences for sure. So so how was that and and what what were you trying to get out of interviewing him? Man the thing about interviewing jay prince that was definitely on my bucket list Um, and I was fortunate enough like I said only been in this game eight months Yeah, yeah, but you're killing it. You're working to me over Yeah, and um, you know jay actually julia beverly. She quarterbacked that uh for me Yeah, we're working already. Yeah Shout out to the homegirl julia beverly man. Shout out to julia beverly. Yes. Yes. She's supposed to be on the show Okay, that's the homegirl. I'm working. That's my partner. And so, um Man, I told jay, you know, I grew up with rap a lot and I remember I told jay I said I remember when you was james smith, you know So I was studying jay and really an easy e before I even became you know aware of pee You know what I'm saying for the music. Yeah for the music And just I don't know jay was always an enigma And and I was always kind of fascinated with who he was and how he moved even as far back as the ghetto boy records I don't even know man. You didn't no Like I didn't I knew but I would I was so caught up in scarface lyrics man See, no, but this the thing bro when you go I I go back to the ghetto boys as far back as as making trouble You know, yeah me too. Yeah, so back then you remember when you were about to take bro You would read the credits. Yeah, you would see all of that So when I would hear his voice and I put it together. He was jay little jay Yeah, and it was just something about him that I gravitated toward, you know So as the years went on and as I got older and understood who he was always wanted to know more, you know So I follow so of course, you know being with pee then I get an extension of that love and that access You know what I'm saying? So always studied him and easy e and even shook to an extent You know the man I studied them, you know, I'm a student again easy No, but oh what I didn't almost tell you is we almost went to ruthless before no limit We actually wound wound up at no limit. I heard you say that we wound up at no limit just because easy died But easy you that was the one when you said Man, I got I got no tail. I did do no taming you because I like I like organic and I don't want the same interview Although, you know what I hate about that because I do the same thing too But then everything can be flowing and you enjoy yourself and when you're done, you look back Can't you know I'm gonna work him over though. Don't even trip. It's just good. I got I got something for him over here Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got something for him over here. Look at that list, baby. Look at that. Look at that You see that's that's all of that. Okay. Yeah, so I'm ready for him. Yeah. Yeah Now let's talk about the ruthless uh, uh, how you was you you kept on calling and it was a lady and you Wherever she is today, we don't know Cassandra. Where yep, where is she at today? We don't know but we're looking for you. She's around because lil e told me she's still Oh, yeah, so you you ought to send us some, you know roses of flowers or something Thank you, man. She was super nice. She didn't have to be. Yeah That lady would talk to me. I would call and shit and be like man easy there you get our tape She'd be like, yes, Courtney. We got your tape. We got all five of them He's going to get to he's on tour right now, you know So finally she hit me you took that persistence with you the same persistence that got you Yep, same thing. That's where I got it from. Yeah, that's where I got it from. I was getting on folks nerves I didn't care, you know what I mean? And so uh, yeah, we and so finally she had told me yeah easy listen to your tape They really like it. Well, somebody are being touched with you and yeah, probably maybe three months after that He passed away. Wow. Yeah, I went back to the drawing board. So what did you like about easy easy? He was once a dog from around the way, you know what? Yeah Yeah, no, my favorite easy easy song is probably that no more questions. Okay. Okay. Yeah, but I man It was a bunch of them Yeah, people don't realize that was a time when he was dropping stuff to back to back. He was doing that Yeah, and even after him and drain them fell out or whatever He always kept going with the music after he took off. Yeah for sure I know that the movie straight out of Compton was definitely enlightening But yeah, is it I'd like to see a carry on of how easy really from his perspective. Yeah, that would be dope, right? Absolutely. Yeah, and I hope they get that done His son and how's the son doing on on any of the Yeah, well me and little e cool. That's my partner. Yeah, so yeah, they working on I would let us see that happen because I was a big fan of that too. Yeah, you know what it was man. I don't it was it was just the aura I guess I always had a ceo inside of me before I realized it You know what I'm saying? Yeah, and I think that just how little jay and easy how they carried it You know from being the rap the street shit I just I could just identify that shit when I was young and I was enamored by Well, it would be it's the same thing. It's the same type. It's the same thing the same spirit So I just gravitated toward that So I was always intrigued by easy and even iced tea same thing You know because when I heard iced tea was the first gangster rap record that I heard which was squeezed to trigger Yeah, you know, I mean that the one when she had that that uh nice outfit on this girl No, no, that was over. That was power with the black on it. Yeah. No, he had on the blue So now I come with the girl ain't talking about him. She had on the white baby. Yeah, she was ready though I know because I have big five by five Long time ago. So I'm like, that's my first, you know, we didn't have the phones like everybody We had the covers. We exactly how you have with the covers. You know what I'm saying? So I have paintings in my house I have five by five oil paintings five feet by five feet of iced tea's power I see it every day of the front cover in the back serious about it. Yeah Did you I didn't even get that I got to get more into that interview I can see him through because you got what it was is, you know These were things that were really influential as I was growing up You know what I mean like power like that album cover because what it was is like when I heard iced tea He was painting me a picture of what I was seeing happening in my community You see, I didn't have any older brothers and shit. So when I'm seeing dope houses and the gang shit And I'm seeing people cussing me and blood me. I'm not really understanding the context But when I hear iced tea, oh, that's what's going on a high roller. Oh dope selling Oh, that's why these motherfuckers across street. Oh datans vote. Okay. I see that's what it is You see what I'm saying? So where iced tea kind of came from a perspective of like a reporter Like this is what it is. This is the game But when I heard easy enn w8, these motherfuckers sound like they was the people he was talking about You know what I'm saying? That makes it like yeah. Oh, these the gang bangers, you know what I'm saying? Colors man is I remember with those minigas after the uh movie after colors, man We whipped them boys up out there, you know, just the movie y'all had the gang y'all had the gang shit here and Come on man. The gang stuff has been everywhere. I was down by streetport. So it was real down there Like your streetport was one of those places man where we seen the game I was actually from six miles on the texas side, but streetport was like 27 miles away So I seen all of that. I was hustling and going into these neighborhoods where I was seeing Bomber hustler. So I wasn't into it, but I seen it. You know what I'm saying? I'm about the money. They they doing the color thing. Okay. I see you over there I'm going over to the hood. You know, I was trying to hear that easy was the same way I mean, it was affiliated with neighborhood and kelly park But you know, he he migrated and functioned with with all the sets because he was a hustler I gotta ask you do you think that because I had asked melvin form. I had them on the show And who was it? I want to say with nino cappuccino. Yeah I asked bounty hunters bounty hunter. I asked him and I had a guy on here that was from texas and it was like Do you think that they respect what's going on outside of la like that? I just never seen the I think it's a I think it's a thing where you can you can be a part of it when you Go to that town when you in your town when you from where that's at I just don't know about the genuineness of it. I'm gonna tell you I have a thought on that too I know what you mean. Um, it's definitely watered down. That's what I'm thinking. It is watered down even where I'm from I'm from the faux block. It's a Crip neighborhood. Yeah, it's colonized by sixties and east coast Crips from la But it's watered down, you know, um, but then I'ma tell you what where it gets corny to me I I can understand when you have You know, uh, independent sets, uh, you know, like like a nigger in can city claiming hoover Yeah, that'll make sense to me because we don't have a hoover street, you know, or claiming grave street That's what you understand that something but don't they just With it, bro. That's corny now now if we crips I don't know about that city shit. I gotta say my cousins from uh Faulties they was from forties. Yeah, and they came my first cousins from forties krenshaw And they come straight to to my hood and say that's what we rocking with. Yeah Then I had to be like, that's what we rocking. Yeah, see, but I think that's corny They're from there, but that's different if you're from there. No, I'm talking about the niggas this the locals No, my cousins are from there. Yeah, but they come to my right sister's kids And they keep coming every summer. We gotta find every summer because these niggas keep on shooting and fighting and stealing my guns And taking them back to LA and I'm like, man, I don't know. I think I know I put some work in Yeah, yeah, but I'm only claiming it because of Yes, so you were like me. I was affiliated. You know what I'm saying? I never and it's so funny because people will argue this but I've never been like a Crip I've never been the one to bang. What's up? Cuz nigga on Crip, you know No, I never did that now that I have issues because maybe niggas around me was fighting on that But then I got they back. That's right. So I get sucked into it. You know what I'm saying? But no, I've never been a gangbanger. No, man, that's crazy because you would think being in LA like that and kids Just getting influenced. Yeah. Oh, here you go with the blue rag All right, you ain't you can't catch me with a blue rag But see then somebody to pull up a video that I had that from like 2000 I had on a blue rag shirt This shirt was like the blue rag. Snoop Dogg. Yeah, just like Snoop Dogg. I had that in like 99 2000 So, you know, I was just affiliated. I I never was a gangbanger. I have one question before Okay, um with all that you've been doing ever since you was What 18 coming up? Um Could we all got to go one day? But if there is one thing that you want everybody to remember you for What would that thing be? Wow, that's a heavy question. Um Well, I you know, I I think that I would want my my life to be a testament of, um, you know, um overcoming, you know, um, and and I would say, uh You know, I'll when I like when I got into doing the podcast, right? I wanted to to really show the Balance and show that niggas can't evolve. You know, I wanted to represent the evolved nigga from the hood You know, like when people ask me about my show, I say it's niggas shit and black excellence all in one. There it is So, um, you know, I just want to I would want people to know that anything is possible I'm just a kansas city boy that had a dream. You know what I'm saying and And uh, no reference point of anything that I ever you know, I've built businesses outside of entertainment You know that was successful. I built I built a multi-million dollar real estate portfolio You know, I have other businesses that are successful outside of entertainment I'm not formally educated. I graduated high school So I will want people to look at me and see me as a testament that You know anything is possible if you put your mind to it, you know, you put your trust in god You put the work in, you know, and you make the necessary changes because putting the work in is not just doing the work It's also being able to make the necessary changes and be pliable and doing the research and doing the research You know doing the work, you know, and uh, and I always say inconsistency You know consistency is more important than perfection any day Right. Um, so I will want that to be what people saw like wow this dude, you know He just had a dream and he went with it, you know, and uh, like I said, I'm not perfect, you know And I've been able to I've overcome a lot, you know, um Yeah, I'm sure there are other stories that are are worse than mine You know, everybody has a story, but you know, I've had to you know, I've buried probably You know three four dozen friends, you know lost family members buried a mom You know, I had a I had children Uh early in life, you know having a wife having a family and having to navigate You know, sticking with the person that you actually have right right and then and then, you know Learning how to really be a man behind closed doors. Some of that shit you figuring out, you know in real time You know, you putting the front up you acting like you know what you're doing But behind closed doors you try and figure it out, you know, I mean because I don't have a reference point of What it what a husband looks like, you know, yeah Or or any of that like even with my son when I first had my son he's 22 now I didn't know how to I I didn't know how to show him affection because I had never had affection shown to me by a man other than my father-in-law Once I got grown but You know, I didn't know I never had a man tell me he loved me or hugged me or embraced me So shit, I was giving my my son dappin shit. It felt awkward at first like I guess I'm supposed to it's not natural So I had to peep that within myself and do the work and say damn. That's why you like that So now I mean he's 22. I hug him and kiss him all the time, you know, but uh, that's dope So, you know, just I think just doing the work and being able to evolve being open to evolution and changing You know, that's why a lot of niggas be stuck man. They be stuck mentally, you know and emotionally They don't have the the mental and emotional fortitude. They haven't allowed themselves to you know evolve like that You just that's dope man. I'm I'm We the same the same guy All our brothers so much alike. Yep. It's so funny to me But we try like we're so different, but we're so much like that's why I don't even speak on it Like I said so much in these interviews that it's like Dang man, you know, uh, hold up man. Money Moses is coming in man It's so yeah, this a youngster right here, man It I keep the I got to keep me a young man around me man One of the yeah, this brother was what he helped me pull this old table up in here. Yeah, that's when it's real This is money Moses man. He from Louisiana Monroe, man. Okay, and uh, he been on here before right? He always here Okay, now I'm about to say when I say he helped me drag this table in here. I was like, I've seen dude before It's on this show Yeah, because of this show because I always bringing me and um You know, God put him in my life. And so that's that's one of the things that He he ain't listening to many people, but he's gonna he's gonna listen to me and my brother. Yeah You get it there you go Yeah, go ahead. I commend you on that brother. Yeah, I just always do that Yeah, spreading knowledge wisdom and understanding especially to the youngsters. Yeah, man You got to man because if you don't then what is your legacy? What are you doing man? Like you ain't gonna leave nothing here And this is what I say man people don't they don't remember what kind of car you draw over What kind of jury you have people remember how you made them feel, you know, that's my father rp to my pops, man That's the the whole game like people the way he his impression was on people. I still hear that every time I'm like you. I'm my name is the same as hill. So at the end of the day, you know, when when I'm around people That's one of the things that sticks out. You know, I always speak on it