 Weldym yn y toffi TV, I am joined by Chris Sweeney. Chris, lovely to meet you. Thank you for having me, good to meet you. I's the author of this book. I'll do that, but I'll obviously do it better as well. There you go, a book about Thomas Graverson. The enigma that is Thomas Graverson. He was weird, Thomas. He was a weird character. You love them and he frustrated the life area at the same time because he had loads of skill. Yeah, yeah. a'n prydwyd i ddysgadol, ond dyn bod yn rhaid i'w gofyn i'w tachel. Felly mae'n rhaid i'w cymplexio'r caracta, ond mae'n rhaid i'w gofyn i'w ffwrdd. Rwy'n cael ei ddechrau, ac mae'n gweithio'n cwestiynau ymlaen. Mae'n rhaid i'w rhaid i'w cwmwy o Thomas Grafferson. Rwy'n cael ei gweithio'r rhagwreith, a oedd wedi cael ei mafri ac maes wiret i'w cwyl giraffe. Mae'n cymhwy ffordd, a chynydd ar gyfer hwn. Mae eisiau ei ffordd, ac mae'n gweithio resume a chynyddio. Mwysw'n rhaid i ffwrdd'u chynyddiaeth y modd wedi'u cymhwy a phannol. Rwy'n dweud i Thomas gan hynny fyddwyd y ffrafffyrdd, ac rhaid i gyntaf mwyn o'ch frefynu i'w cwmwy i'w nasiwn. Rwy'n cael ei ffwrdd i'w cymwy o'r ffwrdd. mae'n ddweud o'r cyllidiau gyda'r gwybodaethau mewn i'r gwirioneddau? ac mae hynny yn cael ei fod yn ffawr. Mae'n mynd i'n gwybod, mae'r cyllidiau eётo'r cyllidiau yma, mae yna yn ymdweud o'r cyllidiau, mae'n cael ei ddweud o'r cyllidiau a'r hyn yn ddweud o'r cyllidiau. Felly mae'n cael ei gynnwch. Mae'n gweithio'r cyllidiau. Yn y ddweud, mae'n ddweud o'r cyllidiau. Friends well we obviously didn't really know much about him, we were getting this place, he had a little look it wasn't what it is now. We knew he come over with a rather questionable hairstyle that he was losing it and he just kept it in look, it made them look a bit strains and then he should have rolled off and looked even angrier. But what was he like as a young player because obviously, we see him the fist pumping and getting the crowd up and the mad faces he pull. Ie gyd ymateb yw yng Nghymru? Rydyn ni wedi'i arweinyddio'r cyfnwys. Byddwn ni yn ymddi'r cyfan, olyffrith yn hynny o'r llwyddoedd yw'r gendigo'r cyfnod. Rydyn ni'n gallu'n ganddo gyda'r cyfnod â'i rhan i fynd yn ein bod yn ardal i'r rhan. Ac yn ymddir i'r rhan o'u'r rhan o'r rhan, oherwydd, yn ymgynnu ychydig. Yn ymgynnu, gan yna'r hynny, mae'n gydag i'r rhywbeth. Thomas ddim yn ei ch gweld nad oeddech chi wedi unrhyw unig o'ch ddiwyliadol adeiladol ar y byddu, a hefyd yn awddiad, dwi'n cael dros y省 ac iawn i'n mynd i ddigwymai cyrfu'r honno'n ddysgu oeddiadol. Dwi'n ddigwm yn fyw. Dwi'n ddigwm, i chi'n meddwl i chi'n meddwl iddyn ni'n meddwl i chi ddechrau. Felly dim canw'n burlau i'r holleg ac yn Gerdd, i chi'n meddwl i'r holleg. Felly mae'w ddysgol i chi'n gweithio i chi'n gweithio'r cyfwyr a'u wneud i chi'n gwneud i chi'n gweld, a rydyn ni'n gweithio ffordd o'r gymryd, o'r gymryd, o'r gymryd bryd o'r gweithio un o'r wneud i chi. Thomas yn ystod y byddai'n gweithio'n cyffredinol, felly dyna byddwn yn rhan i, rydyn ni'n rhan i'n rhan i'n rhan i'n rhan i'n rhan i'n rhan i'n ei gweithio'n gymryd. Fi'n credu i chi'n meddwl yma, fyddai i'r rhaglen i ni. Ie, you've got rules, even though we're all different you've got to live by rules. By only plays in Denmark, two years professional before he gets to move to Germany. But even in Denmark he feels like he's not got enough time, he's got too much time in his hands. So he takes a part time job selling car parts while he's a professional. For the club teller, you can't do that. And then they tell him you've got to be really professional. And like they make them wear suits and go to the game. Mae'r pwysig i'w ddechrau i'w gwaith yn ddechrau gweithio bod yna'r ffordd a chyrwch. Mae'n dweud yn dweud eich ddin yn gweithio'r ddegyffordd. Mae'n dweud yn dweud ei bod ni'n ei wneud yn dweud i ysgwrs. O'r ddegwch yn dweud i ysgwrs i'n dweud i ddim yn ei ddegwch. I'n dweud i'n dweud i'n dweud i'n dweud. Mae'n dweud i'n dweud i'r ddegwch. Ie, ac mae wedi bod gennym i'n gymryd Rhaidhau a'n hyn, ac mae'n rhaid i'n Everton. Rhaid i, mae'n ffordd yn fawr, mae rhaid i dweud hyn yn rhaid i'n gymryd i Everton, a fydd hynny i gael i dweud eich cyfrifio, mae'n dweud i dweud i'n Artyn Ocksers. Rhaid i dweud i Artyn Ocksers, ond mae'n dweud i'n Gwladysgol, mae'n dweud i'n dweud i Everton ac yn dweud i dweud i'n dweud i Gwladysgol. Dyna'n gilydd yma'n ysgrifennu Llywodraeth, ond efallai yn gymrydiau gyda'r ddechrau, a gallwch yn y ddechrau. Yn y bwch, boi Hanson yw, mae'n gilydd, mae'n gilydd, mae'n gilydd, mae'n gilydd, mae'n psychologiol yma. Mae hefyd yn ymweliadau. Nid yw'r amser, mae'n yn ei ddweud. Mae'n gilydd, mae'n gilydd, mae'n gilydd, mae'n gilydd yn y trefnwyr. Felly mae'n gilydd, mae'n gilydd, mae'n gilydd, mwy'n gilydd, Dyna hi fydda o greu gyda'r yn ein ddechrau i'w newydd ac i brefydd. Rwy'n gwneud byddai'n amser oherwydd gwybod hynny a ddiffygbwydol. Dw i'n deithas unig ymweld yn gwneud eraill. Ffais ymweld ar y ddweud o'n gweithio ar iri yng Nghymatesen i'r Rhwng. Fe'r ddweud eich bodd yn dal yn eu ffais yma. Yn y gallu iau, mae'n ddechrau i'r gwneud ar gyfer arena Ryu. Ioha fel yw'r yw ddweud. Nid yw'r cyffredeg ar aích yn myfyrwyr ar ddynt. Mae'n i ddweud yn myfyd, mae'n i ddweud i'n ffordd Alex Neargo ar y cyfnod. Mae'n i ddweud i'r Twnian yn unig. Yna, fel mae'n i ddweud i'r neim Alex Neargo. Alex Neargo eraill y gallai'r ffordd. Mae'n i sicr felly mae'n i'r ffordd, mae'n i ddweud i'r ffordd. Mae'n i ddweud i'r ffordd. Mae'n i'n grathos i wnaeth yr unrhyw. Felly mae'n i ddweud i'r ffordd fel y tair yn ychydig, mae adnodd y ffordd yn ardal. Ac mae'n gofio'n i'r sydd yn cyddi, mae'n gofio'n gwbl eu bod yn ffwrdd, ond wedi'i gweld bod yn meddwl y tufnwyr, mae byw'n gweithio eich mwyaf. Felly, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio i dda, yn y rallu'r gweithio arno. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio yw'r sryd. Mae'n gweithio sy'n gweithio i'r Gwll Gwll Gwll Gwll. Mae'n gweithio, a mae'n gweithio i'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'r cyllid yn gyffredinol yn ymddangos, What does he do, he runs around pumping his fist, but he's not actually doing anything. I feel and I don't know whether you do in the book with his fist heaven or spell. He's only went David Moyes coming. David Moyes kind of was able to give him a role at shooting him, I think. Walter and Artie Knox done well to control him. But I think it was only from a playing perspective for us as supporters watching him. It was only barely under Moyes that he kind of put his head above the parapet. Yn ymlaen, mae'n fwy o wybodaeth a dyna'n ei gweithio ar y tyfyn nhw'n gyda'r team. Rwy'n credu gweld, mae'n dweud hefyd yn gweithio'n gwybod yn taethus. Mae'n dweud hynny'n gwybod sy'n dweud hynny, ond mae'n gweithio'n gwybod yn dŵr. Ond mae'n dweud hynny'n gwybod yw'n gwybod. Ac mae'n dweud hynny'n gwybod yn gweithio'n gwybod ac mae'n dweud hynny'n gwybod i'r bwll. the were asked to cycle them through a few positions to see if one would work for them, but that didn't work and I think what they realised was going to be a free role but obviously they get kind of sacked halfway through the season so he's kind of got, I think they struck upon something that the way to give them was needed to give them directions to do what he wanted, but they do do something quite important that Sjoelno's anewent fan, their last thing was to sign me Carsley, ac mae'n gŷtio'n gweithio i gyd yn ein gweithio. Ac mae'n dda i'n gweithio'r cysylltu yma, yn cyfnodd i'r Gweithio Lleidwyr, mae'n edrych ar gyfer, mae'n meddwl o'r cyfrannu cyfan o'r peth. Mae'n meddwl o'r gweithio'n meddwl, ac mae'n meddwl o'r fan o'r meddwl oherwydd ac mae'n meddwl o'r gweithio'n meddwl o'r meddwl o'r gweithio, oherwydd mae'n meddwl o'r gweithio. Mae'n meddwl o'r gweithio, Felly oedd hi bodiki'n gweld rhydd hwn yn ddacol felly i ddim i'na ei wneud ffghaith hwyl y fel ei dd Bal. Yr jom ac mae'r  economics. Osโ dwoof yn unig i'rameswch os ystod i'r bob ac mae hwn yn drith. Matrwch fel Gwyan noch을 wedi sicr yn Sh release cyfle sleig gyda Dad�? Mae Davoul wedi despig ac mae Dwi'n dweud ar gael eich myffeil yn ystod, ac rwy'n dweud ar gael eich myffeil yn ystod. Efallai o'n ynnill i chi'n gwybod. Ydw yn olygu'n gwybod, mae eich gweithio'n gweithio'n cael ei chael. Mae eich gweithio eich ffrwyr yn dylunio'n panfyrwyr yn ei ddweud. Mae yw'r lle'r amser fan gyda'n myffeil. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae'r lle'r amser yn i chi'n gweithio'n gweithio. Fi'n meddwl i'w mwysig chi'n meddwl, ein bod oeddan nhw i'w'r fewn ti gwaith i gwerthu eich hun, ac mae hynna maen nhw i fi ar-dechrau. Felly rydw i wedi gweld ei fod yn fwy o'i gweithio Llynddyr oedd cynnig yn lluniau. Yn y grafoson, Llynddyrott a Casli, ond obon nhw efallai... Mi'n dechrau. Rydw i welderyddol y maen nhw'n cyrraff, y gael awdd i hynny. Casli gydnig yw i gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio. a'n Llynddorott, I think just didn't know. Cos the Premier League, it was like, you know, it was neat and tidy when I wasn't doing anything. So I think that probably made it harder for Graves now to say in a way, until Cassie settled down. I think Moise was able to go really good at blocking our defence, helping our defence out, because the other kid who's alongside, he just gets off months of ball, like you said. All the time that day ended up forcing me feel for Everton, and obviously it led to other things. What did Artynwch say about off the pitch with Thomas, the relationship with him? I mean, he said he's a lovely guy, but he just said, he said, my God, what a boy. It was very, very difficult to predict what he was going to do. Very spontaneous. You know, there was just very difficult to manage, but not in a bad way. Just his character was very big, and you had to try to work around that, but also set the parameters. So I don't think he came into Everton or any club and thinking, right, I'm going to have to make trouble today at training, but things would escalate, or he would lose concentration, or he would just do something, and then that's not the right thing to do. Like getting a big load of pipe and shooting fireworks out. You know, when he's doing a break, when the balls are there for maybe doing a tactic stocks, he's loading up fireworks to shooting at a pipe. And he's not thinking I want to be a bad guy. It's just the way it is. And I think Alan Stubbs, a former captain here, he talked about the players, I think, trying to manage Thomas. So he was saying the senior players would say to him, look under no circumstances, and he said Thomas would start to maybe apologise and maybe think, oh right, a couple of these later say, sorry Alan, I shouldn't be wishing I'd done that. I don't think it was ever out of badness, but Archie said he would never back down any argument, any discussion. He was adamant he was right, and my God, he was not changing his mind. Archie's quite a tough guy. He was assistant to Alex Ferguson as well at Manchester 18 in Aberdeen, so Archie's no strength and violence but he said he would not back down. He was just, I'm on the right, and that's it. I'm Walter Smith, fair to stories, let's get in the team and lock the doors and we'll see you walks out. We know all that from Artie, and Walter, but yeah, and then you've got Casco in the mix as well. You've got quite a few characters, David Weir as well was his captain, so David Weir and Stubbs were his captains, and both of them spoke fondly of him. I know he was a difficult guy to predict and to deal with. They didn't think he was a bad guy. What I found interesting was as both of them had been centre halves, I said, well he was marodding all of the part. Did I have to make your job a lot more difficult? Because obviously, but they didn't seem to hold it against him. I think as long as he was producing, like he said under the moys system, that was his kind of role. So as long as he was doing what he was supposed to be doing, they could kind of deal with it. Because it wasn't lack of effort like you're saying, it was just focussing the effort in the right way. He didn't want to be a passenger, sometimes he was a passenger. And part of that was his fault, but ultimately part of the management not knowing what to do with him. It was about like that, sometimes players don't work out to see them in places, and you can't always blame, sometimes there's no blame. I think you're absolutely right. When Rooney does it, they were forever in last season, scored a lot of goals, but he just followed the ball because he just wanted to play football. He wasn't putting the effort in because he was, but he wasn't where you'd want him to be sometimes because it's the ball. I've got to get on the ball to help the team. Because that's what ball players want to do, don't they? Some are more disciplined than others, and that's probably what you'd put of gravisoning, you'd say. Fantastic football. Discipline wasn't great. I don't mean getting red card and stuff, but I just mean discipline to go. Just sit in there for us for ten minutes because we get under the car. He was so keen to make an impression. David Moyes' first game he gets a red card and that's classic Thomas because he's probably busting to think, I've got to impress this guy. I want to do well for everything. It ends up looking like bad. I feel as though that's part of the book. I feel as though he's a misunderstood guy. A lot of things he did. People thought maybe he was a thug or a brute or a bad guy. I think a lot of things, maybe the way he looked and the way his mannerisms were, I think he's misunderstood. I think he's a more gentle guy but he had to be fair. He was fighting a losing battle. He got on with that first game, Moyes' first game, he talked about we were basically, Walter and Artie get sacked and Sunday we get B3 and L by Middlesbyn. He had fake up quarters, Middlesbyn was just average side and he B3 and L. So Walter and Artie go and as a fan you're looking and going well, we are probably going to be relegated. Not because they got sacked, but because we were switching teams and you were looking and thinking we are in real trouble here because the team didn't look like they could win a game. And that team, David Moyes, a year earlier he brought Preston to everything in the FA Cup and he was so impressed with him. He sat by the dugout for the game and he didn't show up when he was a young manager and Preston played great football and I was like, that's who I want. Because Walter and Artie with no disrespect they'd been there and done it because we didn't have bags of money. So you had to think outside that we had to go well, we were going to have to reinvent the club almost because we can't compete with other teams. An injection or something. Exactly, and Moyes brought that. I think that first game it was a huge game. There was nine games to go and we were in the bottom three, we were struggling. We were going that way, not that way. And Fulham were always a bit of it. They had some attack and play and we got to tune them up. But tune them up after 25 minutes we score after 27 seconds to David Andre Duncan Ferguson makes it tune up. We're winning tune up, we're in control. I'm thinking, this is the day and the next minute Graffit goes like that in the referee because he won't think it's too early he's off, he'll just keep on going because he doesn't have that. He was a ball, I could see the tackle just below me and it was like, oh Thomas. Luckily we hang on, we win the game and we win a week later at Darby and then we're all right Moyes we win four or five, I think five of the nine games or six of the nine games with Moyes which is brilliant, we finished the season. And then the next season he took Graffit's run under his wing in front there, him and Carsley. We got Tim Kailin the year later as well on M3 in the field just to shoot everything down and then. I was working there at the time and Graffit comes this off. We had a lot of dealings with him I used to do the play at the time so quite a lot of dealings with him and two things sticking me mind everyone was coming in on Land Rovers and everything and he comes in in a red Nissan Micra show it there, show a laughing because I think he did it he did it deep as something before he comes in in this Nissan Micra on parks and he gets out the car and we're in the reception because everyone else is getting on the cool of other players are laughing at him and he walks in and I'm like Thomas swaths with the car and he's like I don't need a big car to feel like a man and just put his keys down and walk off and it's just like that because everyone's sitting, you know Dunkstay where he's bently and Graffit's Nissan Micra and then another time I'm walking down Goddison Road I've been to get me lunch and I'm walking back up and this car's beefing and that Nissan Micra so I'm like that, Graffit's Nissan's got his arm off the window and he's not driving Wayne Rooney's driving and Wayne Rooney's 16 years so he's just taking him for a spin down Goddison Road, Graffit's Nissan's pumped on his face and I'm just like that even as he drives thinking you've lost you are a loo but that year, the year with sorry the six months really leading up to January I'm really interested he was absolutely brilliant forever now's the thing that sees me finish fourth and he was instrumental in the year before if you'd have said, I don't know Thomas Graffitson's moving to whoever whoever, another Premier Leating on Europe everyone would have gone fair enough but August to January that year he scored penalties winners in games he was absolutely brilliant for us getting us in to the top four we get to Christmas with 40 points or something, the second in the league at Christmas you know, I haven't lost that we lose our first game 4-1 around to Arsenal I haven't just survived the year before, I haven't done well the year before and everyone's like, we saw Wayne Rooney people are going, yeah this doesn't look right and then Graffitson just goes and becomes the key to the works for us so we get to January I'm really interested in Thomas Graffitson right on the thread really? and now he goes and everyone is gutted to be fair because that season that's how he made everyone feel he run over to take corners and the clap and he's pumping his fist and only this time he's getting it you should do it anyway be like that and you think you haven't touched the ball for 25 minutes you're only going to take your corner to get a touch but that season the season 3,045 he's in his own because you're absolutely right when you just go and do what you want Carsley or Stubson or Wade or something and everyone covered for him and he just glided all over the pitch so when he ran over to take corners it really was that now because everyone was like you are and he was loving it and the next minute and we're all going have they seen Carsley and do tackling and grab us an attacking and think it's the same fella so what have you learnt about his mood to be on the trip because I can sit here 14 years later and still go how did he get a mood to be on the trip how did it happen you're right about obviously you know better than me you've watched him but the way because the season before he goes runny's the main man and the team doesn't do as well and then runny gets sold and he becomes the main man so I think actually for that squad of players I'm not saying he's a better player than runny but for that squad of players grab us him as I think a better number 10 than runny was maybe because when runny was still young or the style player was but he was better as the main man and that showed when you're up to second and that season he leaves when he goes to him and if you look at the win percentage with him and after him it does dramatically drop I don't ever hang on to fourth we only won we won five games from till the end of the season we can't remember the percentage on my head but you're right it does go down and I think a big part of that probably has him not been there of course he's a team game but he's surprised about Real Madrid he's surprised definitely and he wants to when he finds out about it he's at the Everton training ground and there's a plane waiting to take him and David Wears tells me he's just mucking about cleaning out stuff he's just like doing stuff to like I better do this and he felt he didn't want to go not that he didn't want to play football he loved the place here Everton, the fans he comes from a small place in Denmark he's not a big time he's not chasing a limelight or try to be on the cover of video games or do big promotional shoots he just wants to play football and have fun and he had that here and I don't think he didn't want to go but I think logic tells him I've got to go there's this kind of thing so eventually he gets on a private jet and he goes and he gets there and you know the Real Madrid introduce him to the media and talks about how Thomas had a lot of other clubs interested and Madrid was the one he picked and you could see Thomas thinking what's this guy talking about and he just interrupts and says in the media conference no no other clubs were interested, this was the only option I had this is the only one I had but I wanted to come I didn't have any other options I don't know what this guy is talking about he's just so different from me instead of playing the PC life he would have thought of all these clubs to get him he loves to come to Madrid and it's been his dream and he's like no no it's not I've only had this option but I do want to come here so he comes over and he is like in Denmark I think he was at best he was a happy schoolboy and he would come flying out for training and this is like I can't believe it and actually knocks phones him to say to him hello Thomas is that Thomas of Real Madrid and Thomas replied back to him yeah I can't something believe it either it was a dream for him and I think being a football fan I think we can all, obviously you're an Everton diehard and you'd love to play for Everton but I think when a club like Real Madrid comes in at that time with the Galacticos I'm going to take that opportunity even though we were disappointed he was going everyone was like it's Real Madrid and at that time it's Thomas Graveson and it's Real Madrid the midfielder he slots into is Zidane Beckham and Figo it's absolutely which again now makes me think I'm sure they want a Carsley because he was just sacked for double there was the headline obviously you're saying they were bald why Carsley is 26, Graveson is 16 so see and then when he get and I'm actually since the boot come out Lee Carsley has since tweeted saying that no no they did want, Thomas didn't want me I think we took it a wee bit too seriously I think people maybe know though I think when we did a professional off they probably you know they might have known as the guy fans who put his YouTube clips again if his agents done that little it's a little mixtape of Thomas Graveson and he's winning tackles and the next one he's still as great as he's everywhere and there's a good picture in the book where he's unveiled at Real Madrid and he's not smiling he's just he was going to the dentist he's holding the shirt and has this blank look on his face because that stuff I think would be I don't think he appreciated all that media profile I don't mean he was simple I do mean he was simple but I don't mean he wasn't intelligent I think he's quite a simple man enjoyed life nothing wrong with that football is what I'm here for all this is just nonsense you're selling something at when the president's lying about all these movies he's probably already done I'm not I was the only option I had he goes there he makes a decent impression I think a lot of people say he was one of the worst players of all time he plays in the big games he plays Champions League he plays about 20 odd games each season it was a bit of injury as well and it was a change of manager and also the pressure they would always buy expensive players so his second season there they'd buy expensive players Julio Baptista was one and Mohammed Diawara I think it was Leon so it was a pressure player but he got back in each time the manager changed so I think that shows something that like you say he was a pretty good footballer he wasn't out of the deck technically he wouldn't have been out of the deck personality wise it was a disaster when he was in Everton he lived with his girlfriend from back home and she played for Everton ladies team so she told me a good story after training they would go in one on one and they played in Bellefield so after training she'd play with him but he said Thomas would go sliding in like it was Patrick Vieira he would send it up there it wasn't funny he would just carry on with it playing and actually was looking up thinking what are you doing but he splits up with her and he starts dating a very famous porn star back in Denmark called Kira Eggers so he goes to Denmark he's dating a porn star and his character doing odd unusual things the interest on him was unbearable when are you making this film well you never know I actually had a Spanish TV crew contact me since the book came out and wanted to do something I said well I could help you out but because he's not part of it you know it hasn't panned out so Hollywood's not calling me but you never know what I would suggest is you make a character called Jonas Haverson or something and do this well he's got a brother he's got a brother called Peter Peter might want to play he might want to play so Ryan will say that comes to an end and he goes to Real Madrid comes in with a fight with Reubenio on the training ground where Reubenio haven't got a wee bit of handbags and it's all and I think because Thomas' personality he's not settled in Madrid that anger and that stampiness is coming out so he goes to play for Celtic I can't believe Everton fans couldn't believe he went to Real Madrid I can see that fans are thinking we are going to play for Real Madrid I actually played for it actually I guess again I can see that fans couldn't believe it he's a high speed player in Scotland but it's an absolute disaster it's an absolute heaven-garden-strike and they just don't see I.T.I I don't know if they hate each other maybe that's too strong a one but he went back before the David Moistime and started to say oh just play this role and of course he's never going to do that and I think at that point most people should have known in football he's not the type of guy that's going to sit there and play a position and I mean I spoke to Mark Wilson who was the right back and champions league games Thomas would be right midfield and he said I'd be telling him like Thomas shut your left down and he turned around and go shut up lad shut up and then he thought because he was quite a young player next time he said I did it shut your left down don't ever talk to me shut up lad I don't want to hear your voice but he just wanted he's just like why are you telling me I will do what I want it was just like Aiden McGee day he's talking about that in the dressing room he's talking about the big team talk before a game he looks round and there's Thomas with a newspaper with the eyes cut out looking through in the dressing room listening to the team talk so if you're dealing with a manager who's particularly big on discipline like Gordon Strachan is I mean it's just going to end up and then there's another time where they have their own fun game and I'm sure you've got Everton Liverpool we've got Celtic Rangers up in Scotland so it's the same kind of and before the game Strachan says right today no talking to referee Thomas no yellow cards no problem so a couple of minutes before they knock on the door it's the referee coming to check the boots of course who answers the door Thomas Gavison he says sorry a lad can't speak today so I'm the donor's face so he just stands still like that he was just a character and then at halftime you know the passion is an old firm game Barry Ferguson was the kind of guess he was like Steven Gerab the kind of homegrown absolute arch enemy you know Everton and Thomas halftime in the old firm game he goes up to him and he says to me do you know any good restaurants in Glasgow to go to cos he didn't know that Glasgow that well so he's wondering if to Barry Ferguson on the pictures are walking off he's asking us any good restaurants that he could recommend and Barry Ferguson looking at him like what planet are you on so he said to DVB and he said is that guy for cos DVB at this point is that Rangers he said is that guy for us oh yeah he would be he wouldn't have been joking he would have not he wouldn't have been a serious person he wouldn't have been a serious person where's the best place to eat two was well wasn't it you know you can have all all the brabado and firing rockets at the training ground and driving this and Mikevers and dating porn stars but it shows that within all of that there was an innocence and that I think he was genuine I mean like you said you've been around him I think he was a very genuine guy there was no image I think the person I would say right now is you know Ibrahimovic I think he puts a lot of persona so he can create this image of well I'm really arrogant or whatever he believes but I think with Thomas there was no persona it was that's just generally how he is and that's why I say in the book in Denmark they are not as I mean obviously they know he's a bit of a character you know but they're not as unusual one is they well no they are fascinated but I think they know he's going to be like that they know it's not like he's trying to put an image on or he's not trying to get column inches or get his name in the paper or you know get any because he doesn't do any of that stuff like he's no website he's no social media I mean you go online you've heard him speak English there's not many people if you go on YouTube there's no clips on speaking English there's a couple of clips in Danish that's a bit I mean he's not really that there's not that much out there about him he doesn't do interviews he stopped in interviews but then he got to Celtic he's totally had it and Madrid he's really cutting it down but then he got to Celtic so when I contacted some journalists for the book I spoke to some Danish journalists from German but when the time he got to Celtic the Scottish journalist so I know pretty well I've spoke to him once in my life because he just went doing a few that was it and then he obviously retired at 32 Duncan's probably out of the way we're not doing interviews he come back to Everton on loan and remember we played Bolton away I think it was his first game he set the winner up and I was jet lagged and went to Bolton and your cubie scored in the first half and he set the winner up for Les Scott and he turned around and bowed and he's given it all out because he came on and he just got on the ball and was stroking it round and we were like he's grabbed us back but sadly that was he gets injured and he plays any game so he can never get anything he's on loan as well and you've got Arteta haven't you so you've probably got your own players and he's 32 at that point so I guess it's a difficult thing I think that's what you wanted to do I think you wanted to come back and I think when that didn't work out I think you felt well to hell there so we went back to Celtic because he's injured wasn't he he finishes the season and he's still under contact he goes back to Celtic and Celtic tells him I've no time for you and he says we're going to Portugal for a pre-season tournament there's no seat to play for you so Thomas being Thomas he then approaches the youth coach and they're going to Ireland to play a part-time taxi driver so he ends up going to Ireland so he's over at the plane taxi drivers and like guys that don't play football part-time players so two years after he's played for Real Madrid these fields and islands playing this sort of pre-season game and all the guys said he loved it he had a great time and he books a big cinema and he brings them all to the cinema to watch the new Batman movie he pays for everything and he says he's in the middle with a big popcorn and drink and he's like tell him to be quiet and we're watching it and these are all young 18, 19 footwells and for the whole trip after that he pretended to be the Joker so it was like why so serious lad he got that from everything and he would always say to somebody training at this point if you don't like it go work in Sainsbury's lad that was his sort of thing to the young guys but he loves football but I think he feels like there's no place for him in football so that's kind of like when he was his last I think he plays a half of a game for sale take like a pre-season game at Glasgow, I think maybe Man City but really that's it so Everton's his last competitive game and he's cranky, he comes on and in about half a minute I need to check the broadcast but I think he comes on for Goodison and that's his last professional Ever thing you'll click a ball Do you want some respect, that's nice because he probably had his best time in his career so I suppose if he looks at it that way he might go with that but 32 he's only two years ago when he was playing at Real Madrid in the first team he's fit and they all say he was fit at sale take there was no problem with training he was fit but it's they'd be playing and he'd go to shoot and he would put his foot in the ball and go don't shout at the shooter lad I hate that, that is the worst thing in football do not shout when I'm shooting so I almost wanted silence at training when he was shooting so I like striking all I started striking was just I'm not dealing with this guy but they could have pushed him out he was a great player for sale take play for Everton it's a perfect fit, that kind of club where people like passionate fans a bit of skill but it doesn't work out but it's nice it ended here I think it's nice for Thomas it ended here so he goes off so I'll take the story up fan's perspective so we say goodbye to him didn't work out Thomas great to see you back and all and as football fans you'll do the same yourself you move on to the next player don't you he does that somewhere Everton get other players we're moving forward, we're doing the next season we finish fifth so you forget about him next minute you just get a bit of news that he's married the porn star or dating a porn star he lives in Vegas and he's got 80 million quid in the bank and you're like from poker or something and you're like what is this someone written this ridiculous life story just there's a black and everyone's rammering so how do you go from walking out with the sad music on from Celtic Park with this bag over his shoulder looking back boots tied here to being living the life we almost disappears one of the youth players tells a good story where he actually comes back a year after he's left he's kept a club suit so he's no longer a player he comes back so he's getting the play he walks up and he's going to the players lounge to play pool so he says to one of the youth players what am I going to give my pool lad up he's like no no I'll get in trouble I can't even do that so he's kept a club suit even though he's no there anymore so he appears back for a game of pool cos he loves playing pool but anyway but he does go to live in Las Vegas he breaks up with a porn star but he dates a American check girl who's a model involved in some sort of investments I'm not sure if she's a full time model but she does a model so they live in Las Vegas and he ends up living in the same gatings community as Nicholas Cage and Andre Agassi and Penn Gillette from the Penn and Taylor Magic Juice so he ends up living there he's driving this like really nice Mercedes it's one of these kind of like McLaren Mercedes and like 250 made in the world so he's nice weather there so he doesn't have to put a lot of bangers he's cruising about in that and yeah he has he buys a lot of land in Denmark there's how much money he's got is hard to quantify because he doesn't actually say it but there is sort of various ways he could have earned it I mean there's one rumour that he's the second best Call of Duty player in the world that's not true he does like Call of Duty but he doesn't get paid to do it it's probably come from poker and maybe some investments and there is a story in the book I tell that there's rumours or there's reports of him losing $54 million in a single game of poker one on one and I can say my private room in Las Vegas and everyone I spoke to says I can't believe I'm doing that he's the kind of guy that would just make me do that so one of those healthy players goes out to Las Vegas and at this point none of this has come out yet so he doesn't and he's walking through the pool and he hears this and the same guy told him like shut up don't talk to him when I'm on the field and he says to Mark Wilson who's the right man he says he shouts him over and he's lying on the sunbed and like the sun lounger at the NGM in the pool and he goes over to Murray Thomas in the chat and he says are you on holiday? he says no no I live here now and he's like stupid question where else? you could have picked so much I left it and he turns up as well and there's a healthy players going on one of his old caps is out for a stag doing Thomas I don't know if he's invited but I think they see him as well and he's still got this habit of because he's worried about getting his drinks spiked so he had all this so he would always I think maybe his career he would have a bottle of beer he'd always keep his finger over it but in Las Vegas he was still doing that he was always like on guard I think certain things he would get I don't want to say the word neurotic about it but certain things they were very particular so I don't want my drink spiked but other things he was like shooting fireworks out of people that was fine so it was a kind of health and safety it was a kind of slightly different I mean he brought dynamite at Hamburg I mentioned he actually brought real dynamite into Hamburg and left a crater on the training ground which he called his special fireworks so Everton are glad he never brought dynamite he just brought fireworks so you know he was even in Hamburg he gets one of the guys sees he's driving an Autobahn he had an Autobahn of speed limits he's flying bastard on a bike at 160mph we have flip flops gets to training ground the bikes there of course it was Thomas Graves and I'm driving a bike 160mph on a flip flop so I wouldn't say he was health conscious I just mean the thing about spiking a drink was something he kind of he had quirks and that was it and that was one of them that's one way of putting it quicks it wasn't like you could always anticipate or he'll always drive fast or he'll always get an economic car so he tells Eddie McGeadie who played it so they lived in a place called Thornton Haulingwaz which is quite a nice area so he had the idea that they would car share so one would drive to training they had footballers do it but Thomas said no no no we have to buy Audi 4.2 diesel A6 Audi 4.2 diesel because it's a good machine and it's good value it's got no half an in for a car just so he can use it to train that's a better idea than us using our own pool car for him and Eddie McGeadie just to use for training instead of just using our own cars and actually McGeadie said he thought different from everyone else like everyone would just think we'll just use our own cars and take it in turns but he thought it's better and we'll better buy this and it had to be this Audi this diesel engine 4.2 it was this diesel that he wanted because he was quite into engines and it wasn't always about being extravagant it wasn't always there is no all these stories may be sound a bit off the wall people are a bit outlandish because there is no character trait that you can see all the way through he's always going to be trying to save money he's always going to try to do this isn't the guy who's losing 54 million a game of cards he's trying to save a few he's trying to get the most economical car to go to training and you know it's like a all in conflict and it's Celtic as well I like his football to be fair the best thing he said was he would leave Celtic parks in the city fairly built up area so getting out after games is not easy with traffic getting out into the wrong lane wind is winded down, put one finger out and just drive down the wrong side of the road and I don't know what this finger is he's great one for this finger out the window I don't know what that meant and then we just shoot down till it was clear and then cut out again he was quite a manly guy so it was kind of strange like he wouldn't if he was met him in the street he would have it so he wasn't like this kind of a no time free one so this overtaking the traffic didn't fit so I mean there was no real rhyme or reason but yeah he's character though doesn't he so after moments as far as we know he still lives in Vegas and he doesn't he's in Vegas well when he arrives in Vegas I think he'll take that to the grave with him but he leaves Vegas about a couple of years ago he splits up with the girl he's with and he's still got a business I think if you google Thomas Holdings LLC you'll see his address you can't google map his house because it's in a gated community he's got a lovely big pool he's got this stuff there so he leaves there and he goes back to live in Vila where he's and he's got an apartment there's a big tall white building there and he's got the penthouse it does a wee bit upon the tree and if you want to talk to Thomas you just go to Vila and you'll see him hunting about it and he'll sit down and have a coffee you'll be his best mate if you want to talk about personal life or why did you do that or record it it's a little like I found and a lot of people have told me that one German journalist for the book it was actually saying to me did you get an interview with him and I said he said yeah I approached him in Hamburg and I said Thomas can I have a few words he said no not now but maybe in 10 years and just walked away so that's what I'm saying but in terms of fans some of the young players I spoke to as well at clubs he knew all the young players names it wasn't like I'm better than you and if you met a fan in the street I don't think he'd think oh no I'll get away from me so I mean I think he would generally sit down have a coffee, talk it's just if it's about him I think what happened at Celtic, Real Madrid the pressure, the intensity I think he felt I'm being made out to be this lunatic the screwball I think an example is I said it earlier on today you know Graham Taylor one of the papers went in my tumble and that stayed with Graham Taylor and I think Graveson maybe had that a wee bit as well, latterly people I think Everton was a nice, the mad dog was meant with empathy and I think later on names and things got attached to him he gets made up to be Shrek in Madrid and they call him the ogre and like at Celtic maybe certain things came out and I think maybe that changed his personality a wee bit and made him feel more insular and that's why he goes off to Vegas where no one's going to know him but I think now he's maybe got his spring back to step a wee bit and he definitely remembers Everton very very fondly I think part of that as well will have been with Duncan Ferguson because obviously Duncan shut down, journalists after what happened with Ranges and Willie McState and all that he just decided that was it because people were saying things about him that were on too and you couldn't get when Duncan spoke which was very rarely everyone listening because he was like everyone was like that clip of the office where it's happening and they're all running around that's what it was like with Duncan so I suppose being around Raveson being around him he maybe saw that as a way to oh you can to manage your own because I think when people are putting these things on you and I think footballers they have public property but you can't just start seeing things about people and mocking them up and making them into a like Grimtail with a turnip there's a point where people are entitled to that they're not public property all the time not a bit damaging someone's career for the sake of it which is basically what Jane, List and Press they still do now there's a little bit more conservativeness now a little bit but there's got to be and that I suppose Jane is stupid if I call you names and then want an interview with you it doesn't ring through and the best way to actually get someone's point across or find out about someone is to actually have a relationship with them rather and I think it's gone too far the other way with some people is that they don't want to speak to you so you get an immediate persona now more than anyway because people go well I am going to be guarded that's why someone like Thomas, like I'm saying the real character, the real Maverick he looks out of the game so you lose someone who people love in the game and say there's no more current in the game well the environment is pushing them out so it's like well you can have it both ways I think maybe the book hopefully I was like I said they called me disrespectful at the start of it but I went in with it to try and find out about him and try and show some light in who he was and what he was about so hopefully I've tried to be sure on the other side of him but that already shows you the point which they were starting at doesn't it which shows you what people have done to them that they possibly thought you were going to come at it as this lunatic footballer who was doing this and therefore their image of you writing a book would have been negative where it's very much not negative it's just explaining explaining the man behind well actually start the book there's a small dedication I dedicate to him because it's about him and I just basically say a small line saying about kids, I think it's good to look up to them like him because you can do things your own way you don't have to always conform and compromise and tone everything down and you know okay you've got to live by rules and you've got to be respectful of people and there's basic manners in life but you don't have to always be the same as everybody else you can be your own person and I think he got all the way to Real Madrid and footballers and maybe a laugh at him or even I was on I've done some other media recently I've done some other media recently and people have maybe made wee comments about him and you're thinking well did you play for Real Madrid did you get a sign by Real Madrid they're like he did so I'd wind down this guy's a joke and all this, yeah maybe he was a joker a character but he could play football and he was a good guy people always remember him with a smile on their face so you know he's maybe not this figure of fun that people poke at you know your next book it just comes to me then your next book after you've done the film your next book I think we've got to get you in the movie I'll be I'll be I'll you can recreate that driving down the way yeah yeah I'll try to have the microphone your next book sure he's got to be Balotelli it's just come to me with the fireworks and is your another one I'll be looking into other footballers looking into other footballers who maybe you don't know so much about and I would challenge anyone out there not to tell me but just for their own interest is that it's quite hard to think of footballers that you think that are going to you want to know more about that you don't know about that there's stuff there I mean Balotelli maybe he's one but there's not that many no there isn't you know at the very start of this interview characters they're all they're all cream now aren't they every one of them is just magnolian of footballers it's all you've heard everything they've got to say there's no real mystique about them it's all straight down the line and probably because of the treatment that they like to grab us and people like that it's a shame that we can't have more people to be characters you know and I don't know if academies have got a part to playing media training I'm not an academy I don't know but you just feel it's a shame that I mean it's nice to win trophies but I think like you know people told me things like Thomas got at the end of the book I asked fans or memories and one guy was like Thomas went off in an Everton game on a stretcher but he was still a that guy got a smile on his face from that probably more than maybe a great goal or something it's just like that's I think that's good sport for me winning and losing is important but I think maybe there's a lot of memories and things you can touch and Everton's an old club with a lot of history and a lot of passion and football's more than just like I said to Man City like we were talking before we started Man City to be the sold or sold you know okay you win the trophies but you don't have that same like main road atmosphere and George and Clancy and all these Sean Goethe and all these characters you know but Everton I hopefully keep some of that and you know guys like Thomas can maybe he's a good example of maybe people going forward and the trophies as well tell us where can we get the book you can get it on Amazon you can get it on Waterstones here in Liverpool I don't know where that is and I'm trying to my publisher is trying to get it into the Everton club shop which I hope they can do because I think a lot of the Tony fans will hopefully get something out of it but yeah Amazon you certainly get it and some book shops as well but it's out now and hopefully you enjoy it and thank you to Everton people yourself all the media the radio stations here Darren at the club is Everton a club they've come across I come from Glasgow Celtic one is helpful when it's nice at all no where near is nice and Everton really helped and did a lot to be part of this book and try to share their stories and try to be nice about it and forums and stuff like that so the club come across well and I think that reflects well on Thomas maybe that's why he wanted to be here so you'll come and have a lot in good hopefully I mean I'm not going to follow that there it is Mad Dog Thomas Graveson what a player and what a character check it out get yourself a nice you've got a birthday coming up or your parents or your brother or whatever your sister or your mother anyone in your family or a mate make sure you check out Chris's book there on Amazon there is one X rated picture where I've had to pixelate out little Thomas because there's one famous thing where he drops his shorts so if you're wondering what the pixelation is it's little Thomas little Tommy G but apart from that it's family friendly big thanks Chris for coming in best of luck with it mate and don't forget it me up for the film and it me up for Balotelli because when you speak to him it would be interesting to listen to what he's got to say check out Chris's book on Amazon or Waterstones get it sorted thanks for watching see you soon on Toffy TV