 Good evening everyone. It is 6 o'clock. I will call the 14th regular Common Council Meeting to order will the clerk state the code of the evening. Thank you, mr. Mayor happiness is an inside job All right, will the clerk call the roll all the person acne all the person Decker here all the person Feldy excused all the person flicky paneski all the person Heidemann all the person Mitchell All the person Pirella here all the person Raimi here all the person rust All the person Salazar there are nine present. All right. Thank you next. We'll do the Pledge of Allegiance All right item number three is approval of the minutes from our last meeting older Decker Thank you, mayor. I move to approve the minutes from the 13th regular council meeting held on October 2nd 2023 Second we've been seconded any discussion on the previous minutes Seeing none all those in favor of approving the minutes state. Aye. Any objection? Minutes are approved Next is mayoral appointments city attorney Mayor has two appointments for your confirmation Melissa para and Aubrey Lockwood to be considered for appointment to the mayor's international committee Thank you, and those will lay over city clerk anyone for a public forum this evening. No one this evening. Thank you All right, just one one item of recognition for tonight for mayor's announcements. I'll keep it brief since we Will be going in discussing our capital improvements budget. I just want to recognize that one of our firefighters Tyler Meyer passed away A few days ago in his services for his funeral where yesterday Tyler's been with the fire department since December of 2007 And this would have been his 16th year as a member of the the city fire department as well So our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family as well as the men and women that worked alongside of him In the fire department as well too. So I just wanted to recognize his services If that he gave to the city and I'll call on chief montiano for additional comments as well Thank you, mayor. Uh, thank you for the support It was it hit crews pretty hard, but uh, tyler was one of those individuals that Nobody ever had anything bad to say about him. He was just one of those guys that Would uh, you know make you smile and laugh no matter What what he did you could not be mad at that individual and he truly would give you the shirt off his back So he will be sorely missed. It was a phenomenal service But I really appreciate the acknowledgement and the support. So thank you. Thank you chief All right With that, uh, we will proceed into our consent agenda items eight through 23 Older decker. Thank you, mayor. I moved to receive and file all ro's receive all rc's and adopt all resolutions and ordinances Second moved and seconded anyone have any discussion on any of the items in the consent agenda alder flicky paneski Thank you item number eight Is this the alley that is North of the lutheran church, which is north of the mead library It says section 128 of the old plaque book and I don't know what 127 of the original plaque book Chuck you want to do that? Yes, or ryan sasma I guess q did one either one The answer is yes. The answer is yes. Okay. Yeah, it's part of the part of an ongoing Thank you saw it finance and personnel that there's been some discussion about Transferring that parking lot and this is all part of that process and working with the School and church as well as with the theater. Okay. It does not include the north south section of that alley It does not. I'm not even sure that there actually is a north side north south portion of that alley anymore Just when I looked at the map, I only saw east west Okay, but it is only the part that goes east west. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Holder prela Yes, so I had the same question about which one was that because I wasn't able to understand it And then also I didn't hear you see the attorney. I'm sorry for that Actually, I couldn't hear the back and forth. So in addition to understand where that alley is I also would like to understand what the issue is with that alley. I don't know. I didn't understand it So there is an ongoing discussion to sell that lot to the church and school That process though is including the theater because the theater has a vested interest They've got some loading docks back there, but this this is all part of that Of that process Thank you Any other discussion on that consent agenda? Alder fliki paneski. Thank you very much items 16 and 17 And and they both involve getting new traffic lights at two separate intersections in town and From what I could gather The billing went up 65 percent for one of them and 105 percent for another The cost without any change in the In the design so can somebody tell me Why we're spending 165 percent more for two intersections Right city engineer queued in yes those extra costs are strictly materials went up that much in two years Material costs for for the traffic signals and the controllers and everything else. Yes Those uh, yeah, those those contracts are are ran to the Wisconsin DOT So yeah, that's their that's that's the cost the nice thing about this program It's a it's a 90 10 90 10 split even with these increases It's 90 percent DOT funding or federal funding in 10 percent city So the dollar amount we see It increased from 37 to 62 and then at the other one increased from 45 to 93 thousands We only pay 10 of the 93 and 10 of the 62 you got it. That keeps me happier. Thank you Like I said, that's strictly material cost. It's not labor. It's not design. It's materials Anyone else for items on the concept agenda All right, seeing no more cues This will be a All they're flaky panesky. Thank you uh item 23 It is asking me to vote on licenses already granted So I have a difficult time voting on something that's already been done second only to voting on Suspending rules. So can somebody explain to me why we vote on something that's already been accomplished You're not good So you are receiving a report of officer that indicates that she has issued those licenses That's all you're doing. Okay. Thank you All right, any other items on the concept agenda? All right This will be a roll call vote Nine eyes. All right. Those items are approved Next report of officers item 24 ro number 59 23 24 by the city clerk submitting a Communication from the wisconsin department of administration regarding the berkey company annexation older michel Thank you, mayor. I move to receive the ro and file Moved and seconded discussion on this item Seeing none. This is a voice vote. All those in favor of accepting state in the filing state. Aye. Aye any objection All right, that item is approved item 25 ro number 61 23 24 by the city planning commission to whom was referred general ordinance number 24 23 24 by older person michel and ro number 48 23 24 by the city clerk submitting petition for annexing territory from the town of wilson into the city of shabuigan, wisconsin older michel Thank you, mayor. I move to receive the ro file the application and adopt the ordinance Moved and seconded any discussion on this item Seeing none. This is a roll call vote nine eyes That item is approved Item 26 27 28 29 will be referred to their respective committees Next item 30 is under resolutions number 78 23 24 by older persons decker and russ Authorizing the director of engineering and public works to grant permission To lake shore cap to temporary maintain a campsite on property owned and maintained by the city And to maintain a warming fire on such property during an overnight event beginning november 4th older decker I ask to suspend the rules Any objection to suspension? There's been an objection. We will proceed into a voice vote any All those in favor of suspending the rules state I I any objection All right, in the opinion of the chairs the eyes have it the rules are suspended Older decker, please proceed with your motion. Thank you, mayor. I moved to adopt the resolution Moved and seconded Any discussion on this resolution? Other flicky paneski. Thank you. I am not so much opposed to Doing the activity I am opposed to the fact that those kinds of things have been planned previously and It could have come to us in a proper time frame According to my estimation. So that's why I've objected and why I will vote no All right. Thank you. Any other items for discussion on this item? Okay, seeing no more cues. This is a roll call vote to approve the The resolution Eight eyes one no right that item is approved next item 31 resolution number 79 23 24 by elder person salazar infeldi Authorizing the chief at the police to take necessary actions to receive the 2024 Wisconsin justice system improvement beat patrol grant Uh elder salazar I asked to suspend the rules any objection to suspension All right, there's been an objection all those in favor of suspending the rules state. Aye. Aye Any opposed? All right, in opinion the chairs the eyes have it Older sales are please proceed with your motion. I move to adopt the resolution Second moved and seconded any discussion on the resolution All right, seeing none. This is a roll call vote Nice. All right that item is approved next is item 32 resolution number 77 23 24 by elder person salazar infeldi adopting the weights and measures Device licensed schedule fee older salazar. I asked to suspend the rules Any objection to suspension? I object. All right. There's been an objection All those in favor of suspending the rules state. Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? All right, uh in the opinion the chairs the eyes have it Older sales are please proceed. I move to adopt the resolution Is there a second Moved and seconded any discussion on this item Seeing none. This is a roll call vote Eight eyes one no. All right that item is approved items 33 through 36 will be referred to the respective committees Item 37 resolution number 83 23 24 by older person salazar infeldi Adopting the plan examination and permit fee schedule older salazar. I asked to suspend the rules Is there any objection to suspension? All right, there's been an objection. All those in favor of suspending the rules state. Aye. Aye anyone opposed in opinion of the chair The eyes have it any discussion on older salazar. Please proceed with your motion. Uh, I move to adopt the resolution. Is there a second Second. Okay. There's been a second any discussion The older heightaman. Yeah, thank you. I'm wondering on the agenda. It says it's being referred to allowing licensing What is the reason for suspending the rules? All right, why are we acting on it now? Director McGinnis Casey you want to answer that? Sure, so This has been in the works for staff has been working on this for about a year The plan initially was to bring forward the whole chapter with the the fee scheduled changes It was that the direction of legal that we move forward with the fees And so the reason it's coming to you at this point is because if we Hold it over we won't have capacity to process all the applications before the end of the years And we'd be in a position to charge people application fees on top of their instead of the renewal fees And so it's strictly a capacity issue at this point. Thank you older Mitchell Thank you asked and answered All right, thank you. All right. Any other discussion on this item? All right seeing none. This is a rocovo Nine eyes That's approved All right reports of committees 38 rc number 101 23 24 by the finance and personnel committee to whom was referred resolution number 64 23 24 by older persons Mitchell and flaky paneski authorizing certain changes to the city's medical benefit plan And dental plan effective the calendar year of 2024 coverage and established the monthly premium equivalent Rate rates effective January 2020 24 coverage and thereafter holder Mitchell Thank you mayor. I moved to receive the rc and adopt the resolution Moved and seconded any discussion on this item older flaky paneski. Thank you. This came before finance and personnel And the dollar amounts are the same as last year So I'd like to congratulate Our our staff and everybody in the city for staying healthy Here here any other discussion on this item? All right, this is a rocovo Nine eyes that's approved at 39 RC number 106 23 24 by the finance personnel committee to whom was referred direct referral resolution number 74 23 24 by older persons Mitchell and flaky paneski authorizing the issuance for a refund for the excess Excuse me property tax payable to harbor pride LLC related to 2022 real estate tax for parcel number 59 28 18 35 11 5 p elder Mitchell Thank you mayor. I moved to receive the rc and adopt the resolution Moved and seconded any discussion on this item Seeing none. This is a rocovo Nine eyes That's approved Item 40 rc number 107 23 24 by the finance and personnel committee to whom was referred direct referral Resolution number 75 23 24 by elder persons Mitchell and flaky paneski authorizing the issuance of a refund for excess property tax payable to jail french slash nemac related to 2019 Real estate tax for parcel number 59 28 14 7 9 0 13 holder Mitchell Thank you. Mayor moved to receive the rc and adopt the resolution We've been seconded any discussion on this item Older cells are Can I just get some clarity on the sort of why we're putting the refund back? I mean it looks like item 39 40 and 41 are both that is that our folder? Is that a Assist America and some machines and light on that? Thank you. These properties actually were part of the assessments from the state of wisconsin through the Manufacturing side of assessments. They take care of all those so The company actually went to the state and contested the assessment and the state Has an agreement with them that came up with the number that was agreed to and that is why we have to now refund them Got it. Thank you Thank you This is the entire assessment. Do we do we then Give portions percentages of it to our other taxing entities finance director Yes, that is correct These have been submitted to the state in order for us to be allowed to charge back the other taxing jurisdictions for their portions Thank you Any other discussion on this item All right, seeing none. This is a roll call vote Nine eyes that's approved Item 41 rc number 108 23 24 by the finance personnel committee to whom was referred director for a resolution number 76 23 24 by elder persons mitchell and fliki paneski authorizing the issuance for a refund For x's property tax payable to jl french related to 2020 real estate taxes for personal number 5 9 2 8 1 4 7 9 0 1 3 let me know if everyone got those numbers Alder mitchell move to receive the rc and adopt the resolution Moved and seconded any discussion on this item Seeing none. This is a roll call vote Nine eyes that's approved item number 42 rc number 111 23 24 by the public works committee to whom was referred Resolution number 65 23 24 by elder persons decker and rust authorizing the appropriate city officials to file an application with the United States Department of Transportation for a raise grant To construct a bicycle and pedestrian bridge connecting south pier with the riverfront and to execute all documents necessary to accept the grant and its funds designated at The aforementioned amount on the agenda of located matching amounts as required by the program Alder decker Thank you, mayor. I moved to receive the rc and adopt the resolution Moved and seconded any discussion Alder fliki paneski This is the pedestrian bridge that we've heard so much about over the last x number of years and The match is 25 percent And it goes up to We're getting up to 5.3 million So I I keep thinking about those stoplights If the bridge construction costs go over 5.3 million is our city liable for the rest of it Is that a finance question or a public works question? Who wants that david That's correct Uh, actually the the project we're anticipating right now is about an eight million dollar project So of which the the balance would be city funds This is currently resides in a tid district. So we would look at our capital improvements Which will be presented later this evening that the the funding for this bridge in the future will be coming out of the tid Not general obligation borrowing So, um, we're early in the design process. This is uh, necessary in all in order for the city to receive the funds In order to start the process Do you know what it is in? Um, I believe it's 16 17 so so Can I keep going so Is it is it tid that Is all of south pier Or do we have now A new tid No, this this isn't south pier. This is the one that runs along it's Along the river in other words that we're looking to amend where the former mayline site Is being proposed to have a development on So we would be we would be part of that tid Okay, now now i'm very confused because the pedestrian bridge goes from south pier to to the To the shanties on the west side of the river and mayline is on The west side of the river further north This tid is it it's eligible because it's within a half mile of this tid is a public infrastructure project We're able to expend 10 dot tid dollars Within for public infrastructure within a half mile of it and that tid has the longest increment of Value in other words available So the bridge would be most appropriate to be funded out of that out of that tid So in addition to the the numbers I came up with 5.3 from the feds 1.3 for us and you said 8 points something for the total cost So we're going to get Another million and a half from a tid The numbers aren't working for me it would be 8 million dollars is what we're estimating for the total project 5.3 Of the federal dollars is capped So that 5.3 subtracted from the 8 million would be the city's portion of the funding and all of that would be funded through the tid In that future borrowing from for the project. So 2.7 million I how about our finance director queued in as well? Yeah, that's good. I'm hoping maybe I can help Clear it up and maybe attorney adams can jump in as well. I believe the requirement of the resolution is that we Because the grant Of the 5.3 million dollars We have to guarantee that the city will do the 25 percent So anything above that? Yes, we would be Responsible for but this resolution is a requirement of the grant and making sure that we will do the 25 percent Not necessarily anything above what the grant would cover so The 25 percent It's incumbent upon us to do the 1.3 million to get the 5.3 Correct, but that doesn't speak to the overall cost of the project Which I am now hearing will fall to a tax incremental district. Is that accurate? Yes, that would be the plan and that project would have to come through the joint review board in order to get approval as well And this is the same Is this is the same tid that The may line property would be on correct. Thank you All right older prela Yes, I had I had a couple of questions Some are answered already just for me to understand in the end So the 1.3 million 354 83 is a 25 percent of what we will get from the feds if we apply or get this grant Correct So it just I don't understand much of the verbiage Designating so what we are approving tonight. That's what I'm concerned with So that we are voting in addition to Execute the documents nexus aside blah blah blah and then designating 1 million 335 403 of local matching Which in this case means exclusively city matching as required by the product program That that's correct Additional questions older prela. Yeah, so and that if I understood the previous conversation This money will be will be coming back as part of those 2.7 which should be from the tid Okay, thank you Thank you, mayor, I Can understand the excitement behind the project and I can understand the value that it Could provide I guess I'm still a bit caught up on a concern that this ends up being More of an expensive The only word I can think of is boondoggles, so I'm going to go with that where We have the figures in front of us right now, but you're two passes and now we start seeing high dollar figures for Different maintenance items in the capital improvements plan that push out other whether it's residential road repairs or Other items that would otherwise be going to do we have Any comparable structures Whether it was in the area or across the country that we're looked at for some sort of estimate as to what maintenance and upkeep Is on a bridge like this? Yes, and we we We used our current maintenance for instance on the a street bridge Which is far more complicated and far more expensive to operate Than than this pedestrian bridge. We worked with some of the preliminary concept drawings and the The consulting engineer that developed that concept gave us some of the data in other words to submit for the grant There's going to be plenty of opportunity for The council to have input in terms of contracts for Throughout this whole process. So once we start The next thing would after after we would receive the grant We are soliciting RFPs for consultants right now on the design When we receive those Proposals will be coming back to committee and the council to say This is the preferred consultant. This is the contract They will have idea in terms of what the timeline what the budget is and there'll be Opportunities to approve or disapprove throughout this process So tonight by approving the grant and obligating the funding just allows us to start the process Of the design and obligating those funds to the city Even once after we get it designed and we're going to have preliminary estimates throughout the engineering design There's going to be opportunity for public input It's part of the grant we want the community to be involved in this process We want their input in terms of how the design and how it should function So throughout this process There's going to be opportunity on cost operations How is it going to look and ultimately it's going to be Decided upon is this affordable or not? But tonight again This is a formality in terms of trying to get even the money obligated to the city shabuagan We've been awarded the grant, but they haven't given us any money So in order for the city to actually receive it officially This resolution is needed to submit to the feds for us to to start that process Just a quick follow-up on that and so if we Accept the money tonight and designate the local matching funds whether that At this point it looks like it's going to be tiff It was said that there will be multiple opportunities to check in and look at the affordability, but I'm assuming We're going to be spending down some of that before we Start to hit those opportunities There that's that would be true There is an opportunity that if if we get into the preliminary engineering that that would be let's say Part of our our cost upfront, but you know the engineering portion is is Some of the lower lower cost in the beginning of the project before we actually are signing a construction contract and such so I think We'll have a pretty good clear picture even during the interview process and the Proposal process is is this an attainable project within our budget And I think that's a that's a fair question that we all need to ask Thank you Alder flicky paneski. Thank you. So let's let's do a suppose suppose that we get the grant suppose that we match suppose that The engineering costs and the actual costs Are like the light fixtures on the intersections At what point do we say no, thank you to the feds and give them their money back Is that how it goes Yeah, it's it's going to be a council decision And where we're going to go into this with like I said, we we have a preliminary budget We're forecasting Some figures within the capital improvements Tonight when we've talked about it even within this resolution And it's going to need to be a community decision Is this body and the council wanting to invest in this structure? As part of our city infrastructure in our downtown And riverfront and lake shore lake shore district That's going to be the question is It's tit eligible, but is this appropriate in a good use of that tit funding and Does it really provide You know all the benefits that have been preliminarily is Submitted as part of the grant So the grant was a rewarded to the city that this is going to reduce vehicle trips It's going to provide safe access for pedestrians to cross that section of the shabuigan river They won't have to necessarily Traverse the a street bridge all the time to get across It provides direct access from downtown to the to the south pier district and vice versa from south pier to the downtown Creating that viable link so as a as a overall development and movability Opportunity for residents and visitors within our community That's the that's going to be the discussion that this body is going to have to decide Is it worth the value of that with that what we're proposing? Older heightaman. Yeah, thank you, mayor. So so We have a list money What's the time frame what year are we looking at to be able to walk on the bridge? And is it all my other question is is there a possibility that You say the community is supposed to have input in it where this would actually go to a referendum Well, it's it depends the only way I guess if it would go to a referendum as if The tid tid tid money wasn't Available in other words we had to look for elsewhere and other other other funding sources, but Again, that would be a council decision Okay, and so when do we get to walk on the bridge? Yeah, the schedule is if we start the design this year in 2024 We're looking to put hopefully As soon as the end of 25 early 26 to start construction and in 27 it would be completed. Thank you Okay, I just want some clarification. I'm following up on Alder filiki paneski's question here. So if we so we're approving this money We're gonna move forward with that. We got the match or we're going to get the funding At is there a point that we can turn back from this if we realize the cost is too expensive I know it is a council decision and that we will get public input But can we turn back from it once we've committed to this today? as long as we don't As long as we get to a point. We're not spending any of the federal funds I would say we could turn it back But as soon as we start drawing on their funding Then it would be a matter of paying back the feds and then turning back the whole grant. Okay So alder uh, fliki paneski you have exhausted per council rules. You've exhausted your To limit qn So with that I apologize Um any additional comments on this item? all right I guess I'll just make one one little One just a different commentary too Because director people did hit on it too. And I guess I'll direct my question or my comment to the redevelopment authority chair As well too and just in terms of some of the input that we've so far gotten on this project in terms of because the redevelopment authority owns Several parcels over there and just the amount of attention positive attention that a business developers have brought Uh, um an anticipation of this project as well. So just a little commentary on that So all right with that we'll go into a roll call vote Eight eyes one no right that item is approved Next rc number 116 23 24 by the licensing hearing and public safety committee to whom was referred general ordinance number 22 23 24 by elder person Salazar Mending section 2-1 1 5 as to eliminate the need for older person signatures on council documents Revising the deadline for submitting requests for documents to the legal department older Salazar I moved to receive the rc and adopt the resolution Second moved and seconded any discussion on this item Alder heightenman. Thank you, mayor I'm not comfortable with this And I Mentioned it at the committee meeting Taking a responsibility that we've had for years for alderman to sign documents Put their name to something and be responsible for something And totally just wipe it away because what a computer program can't be made It's it to me. I think it's taking a step. That's very important As an a responsibility of alderman to have So again, I'm not going to be supporting this. Um, I believe it's a responsibility of every alderman To look at their documents be informed what's happening And put their john hand cocked to something as opposed to just letting it go flying by and everything's good here Nothing to see We'll just we'll just let everything roll and then go without any approval from any alderman Thank you, uh, it's the attorney so What this does is it eliminates the requirement to actually Physically sign it does not remove the fact that you will have alders who sign on to legislation It is just merely the physical signature That is being removed All right, alder fliki paneski Thank you. Um, I agree with alder heightenman Um, this one was difficult for me because It does take away Part of what we're here for we're here to put our names on documents And stand behind what we pass So and I understand Modern technology can go through it The other thing that's difficult for me is in this resolution It is the city attorney who is elected And it is the city clerk who is elected Those are the only two people that need to sign off on resolutions and i'm just not comfortable with that Just and just to point out again, you still will be signing on to them It just will not be a physical signature at the bottom So all the documents will still have your names at the top That that the only thing that's changing is actually the physical signature at the bottom So you'll still be signing on to things you'll you'll still have the requirement to have Two sponsors that kind of thing will still happen You still have the floor alder fliki paneski So so signing on are those two people who bring resolutions to the floor? Is that what you mean by signing on? Right. So resolutions and ordinances still have Alders who who sign on to them who have to have their names put on the documents those names Will still be there. It's just that you will no longer be At the council meeting 60 seconds before the council meeting you won't be putting your signatures on the bottom of them But you will still have your name on the top of them And obviously nothing will go on the council agenda with with your name on it unless you approve of it All right, we've got a few queues so the decker mitchell sales are high to me Okay, thank you mayor The reason that I support this is our When we vote for something is we are we show our support and that's how we how we we put our name on it And I feel that that is sufficient then to have to sign documents beginning of a re-meeting And I think it's just easy. It just it just eases the process All right, alder mitchell Thank you, mayor I had a question. I think it's been answered. So I will instead switch to just thoughts on this one I'm not particularly comfortable with the change either unless we look at how we're handling these documents coming forth in general I'm Been a committee chair for a little while now and pretty much everything that is going to my committee will say by elder persons mitchell and lucky pineski I can't say that I myself by hand written all of those out Or seen them before they're on an agenda somewhere to me putting my signature on it is that stamp of approval that I actually Want to move forward on something And I think if we're removing that we really do actually need pre approval for Names to be put to any particular documents coming forward and that is going to create a lot of overhead So at this time I will not be supporting this change Thank you. Alder mitchell older cells are So I just wanted to echo what dean was sharing There are times where we do sign documents here council and there are moments where your vote goes against what you've signed So that opportunity still exists And you can read these documents ahead of time, which is attached to our agenda. So They aren't taking them away. I would I highly doubt any of y'all are reading these quite stacked large documents before you're getting here I understand with the second you believe that the signature is a stamp of approval But I believe in the that's wrong if attorney adams wants to correct me here, but that's your vote Well, attorney adams Yeah, the names at the top are basically you're sponsoring it to get it on the floor, but not promising to vote for it, right? Alder heidebin You have five members of a committee Okay, there's two names of committee members that are on on the resolution It goes to committee Three of the other members of the committee say we're not supporting us So that doesn't even come back to the council and would not get a signature Okay, but what's what's prevent now with no signatures That that that resolution would come back to the council anyway. You don't have you you're not responsible for what you What you establish at committee attorney adams No, that's not correct I've been incorrect before I'm sorry. I've been uncorrect. Incorrect before so I'm not worried about that I'm just the thing that I'm worried about is not signing a document that I'm supporting or are Signing a document I'm supporting or not signing a document that I wouldn't support That's I've done this all my life so I'm not so It's not that easy from we give that responsibility up Yeah, you will you will still have the opportunity to have your name put at the top of the document The policy is is that nobody's name gets put on the top of a document unless they've approved it Now some of the committee chairs have over time had a practice that they'll allow their name To come on to any item that's coming to that committee. They don't have to do that Every document that has an alder's name at the top of it has either their express or implicit approval They've either expressly approved it or they've indicated their willingness to have their name put on documents of that type That's how that works if you don't want your name on it. It's not it's not going on there Anyone else on this item? All right, seeing none. This is a roll call vote Elder person acly There it is. Okay. Thank you Six eyes three nose. All right that is approved Next item 44 general ordinance number 25 23 24 by elder person cells are feldi amending the section 14-1 weights and measures item elder cells are I ask to suspend the rules any objection to suspension All right, there's been an objection all those in favor of suspending the rules state i Any objection? All right impending the cheers the eyes have it older cells are please proceed with your motion I move to adopt the resolution Moved and seconded any discussion on this item. All right This is a roll call vote That's approved General ordinance number 26 23 24 by elder person cells are infeldi amending section 12-32 of the plan examination and permits fees schedule I ask Elder cells are I ask to suspend the rules I object. All right. There's been an objection Um, all those in favor of suspending the rules state i I any objection All right impending the chairs the eyes have it older cells are please proceed with your motion I move to adopt the resolution Moved and seconded any discussion on this item Seeing none. This is a roll call vote Nine eyes. All right. That's approved. Adam 46 will be referred to the public works committee We've exhausted the agenda for this evening elder decker. Thank you, mayor. I moved to adjourn Moved and seconded all those in favor of adjourning state. I'm all right. We're adjourned at 6 49 And uh, we'll take a five minute recess and reconvene as the committee the whole All right