 Hello We'll go back to her stupid directs to Corbin. I'm stupid. You can follow us on Instagram Twitter for more juicy content Thanks to patreon followers true to come scribe you like button Got a poem written by my granddaughter just this morning Ashley sent it to me and she said Evie's running around the house screaming this at the top of her lungs and every verse has a Different rendition but the rendition I was sent was this it's raining. It's pouring my nasals are a snoring He went to bed to close his legs and made the moon to mornin Sounds like a fun Friday night to me. It sounds like schmuck Schmuck That sounds like a erotic novel So that's what I expect for my granddaughter, right? That's what I'm saying. She's not even three yet. Look out world a Woman's porn schmuck Novel book. She grows up. She says that it's seven years old when her mom says what do you want to be when you grow up? I want to be a woman's novel schmuck porn writer Today we're doing a movie review Not That'll be the next review. Yeah, well if you go to patreon you can see the girls of Kamasutra exactly exactly And today we got the Tama film 2002 money Rottenham film written and directed and produced And composed by our non-bar and it's called Kanna saw Muthamita close enough for hand grenades or as I'm concerned a peck on the cheek Mm-hmm. I like that title better, which is a weird thing to say about this movie. I agree It's a little that's a Little strange, especially the way I'm implying it. Yeah, but it starring Madhavan Say these other names for me, please Kirthana Parthipan, and if there's mispronunciations as always forgive Simran Nandita Das Mm-hmm, and those are your your your main yeah leads, but it's obviously a whole bunch of other people as well Yeah, but those are your main ones if you haven't watched it. We saw Netflix Netflix. Yep, we saw it on Netflix here in the United States Yep, it'd be a hundred friends four of you because it came out 20 years ago So if you haven't watched it, it's your fault But if you don't like to be spoiled go watch it come back Rick your initial thoughts, please so my Obviously as is always the case with dubbed films you I put aside the frustration I feel and always will feel about that. Yeah, and While I will accentuate the positives as much as I can in terms of I found There's no continuity errors that I could see I thought the score was beautiful I didn't see anything acting at all that bothered me I For me because the story was so frustrating and annoying and didn't make any sense to me I didn't enjoy it. So for those of you who love the film and have enjoyed it It'll be an interesting conversation Especially if you really like the story Hopefully I can be enlightened to things that I might have missed But I found it to be more Story-wise really really frustrating and and annoying that ultimately caused me to Not like it even though the technical aspects. I thought we're really good. Hmm. No, I really enjoyed this movie So this would be an interesting conversation. It's actually probably one of my more favorite money rotten. I'm older films I I tend to PS1 and and they'll say are just they feel like Different eras yeah for sure like comparing like ET to what great comparison Spielberg. Yeah, it's not a Based on where it's yeah, it's based continuing I still think Bombay especially if that area is probably still my favorite Yeah, most likely to just because they had such a great story the romance in it is phenomenal Yeah, and there's stuff that I think this movie could have done a better as well But no, I really enjoyed it. So this would be an interesting conversation. We can have and I genuinely mean that I'm I'm genuinely hoping that the things that I had problems with will be because I missed something And I can be shown what it is. I missed and go. Oh, okay now that makes sense But that but if that doesn't happen, it's gonna be frustrated. No Because I saw Jimmy Cage's review. I don't know if you I didn't see his review. No They I tend to stay away from reviews until after we've watched it No, I that's why and oftentimes when I watch it It's on the heels of just coming to I watched the film after we I saw the film And I wanted to see what they thought of it because there's not a bunch of people that have reviewed this film Right in terms of that doesn't surprise me. It doesn't surprise me. He got is a lot of people that seen this film This is actually a very beloved money rock. I I And I've heard but in terms of like the foreign reactors right reviewers and stuff like yeah Yeah, so what did he say they didn't they I think they gave it like a 6.8 out of 10, okay, they didn't resonate very much with them Okay, so they're probably in more of your boat probably from what I and it'll be interesting if they have the same You'll know having heard them if it's a similar. Yeah. Yeah, so but let's start Let's talk about we like the acting first. Yeah, and I want to shout out even though He was my favorite performance in it. I want to shout out Madhavan because we didn't have a great Introduction to Madhavan correct even though Even though you guys will obviously heavily disagree with what we thought of about the movie The one with him and come on come on. I can't aim Naviered. Yeah at the name of it. It's basically playing chains and automobiles Adaption as it were We did not enjoy that we did not enjoy him in it And I thought he even though he wasn't my favorite performance in this. I thought the women were superior as is often the case But yeah, and I agree, but I thousand percent thousands better I was really pleased at what I saw based on what we had seen Yeah, and that's why I think even in the review. We said please show us some other stuff We don't want this to be our only sense of him Yes, and I I thought he did an absolutely fine job with what he what he agree and even though I think he was more of the supporting character in the film Even though obviously he's probably the I think he's yeah, he's on the poster there Yeah, he is the male lead, but it is the story more about the women. Yeah in the story. Yeah But I thought he did a he did a good job and it was so happy to say that Because I didn't want to be like oh, yeah, I didn't like him again. I Just so I first wanted to shout out him because I know he has a bunch of supporters a bunch of fans out there That they'd absolutely love them and I hear a lot of people call him a great thespian Obviously, we've only seen two films and this was encouraging for me enough that I would see more like to venture in Yeah, so I wanted to give him a shout out first because we had a not good experience with him the first time Yeah, so he did I thought he did a very good job. I liked his chemistry. I thought he believed him when he About his daughter. I don't agree with how he told his daughter that she was You're gonna hear I you're gonna be The only problem I had was story You'll find the objections I have our story. We'll get so that the technical aspects Including the acting everything. I really enjoyed I want to get to the girls first up before getting to the everything else Yeah, and I don't know which one's which and I apologize which so which one is Okay, the mother the actual mother the birth mother Is that none of the birth mother is Nandita Nandita? Yes, that's a girl. Is that the little girl? No, Simra The little girl was a mooda the little girl was a mooda. Yes. I'm terrible with names. Yes Indra was his wife because that was his pen name remember. Yes, and so that was Madhavan's wife Correct. Okay, and a mooda was the girl with her picture being so much older because this is 20 years ago So she's now probably in her 30s. I mean Simra She looks I know it's interesting in her eye and the thumbnail has a picture that makes it almost look like a kid If you see it as a thumbnail, but no different Simran was the wife Who adopted with Madhavan and I thought she did a moota. I thought she did a really good job Simran Simran I agree and especially with her and Nandita Doss at the end their their performance together at the end where they came together I really enjoyed that performance of all of them. Even the little girl. I thought did a good job It's it. I don't like to critique children actors a lot. I don't mind But I just cuz they're children and I can't expect them to be Amazing that now you can't sure you can take it from someone who was a child actor. You can I will critique your child work Yes, vitamin one hundred percent somebody shite If for the same reason that if someone took a child and put them on a piano at four years old and said my kids a Prodigy and they didn't know how to play the piano. I would criticize well one hundred percent I don't think anybody's calling it a prodigy. That's not at all. I'm just saying that's what I'm saying I think you did good. I'm not gonna critique her that much though because I Would that is that in and of itself is a critique actually by you you have an opinion of how she did I thought she did good Yeah, that's a critique. It's not an elaborate critique. That's okay. Anyways Simran who adults I will critique I thought did a very good job. I thought she showed a lot of emotion and a lot of vulnerability Yes, in her role. I liked their beginning love story that they they had there even though it was very short In minute. Mm-hmm. I would have even liked that to been More more in-depth there and Nandita as well. Obviously she had Dick it Indian films do this a lot where they introduce characters in the beginning Then they go to a completely different characters. Yes, and then obviously they'll come back in the end. Yeah It happens quite a bit. It doesn't older Indian films. I feel like yeah But obviously you saw the change in her what she went through. I'm guessing obviously in the second Through obviously what happened in the beginning. Yeah, where she got at the end. What'd you think about the women there? Oh, I agree. I think all of them did a very good job where I Would not think of anyone else in the roles that I would want to have cast in the roles I felt like all the relationships were believable And I really felt that the cast did the best that they could with the material that they were given I had no problems at all. There wasn't anything in it that was particularly deeply moving where I would say you got to watch this because there's some there's a perform in the set, you know, but That doesn't happen with a lot of films and doesn't have to happen with a lot of films What matters is that you have a cast that's going to do a good job and you're going to believe them And I I did I did and I also thought the music by our non-bar as always non-shockingly brilliant non-shockingly great music seen the the one where the mom and a little girl were on the beach I Think we had reacted that one a while ago. Did we I think so would have been a long time ago then, huh? Yeah, I think a long time ago. Okay, but it was I because I vaguely remember and I don't think we even had subs for it Well, that wouldn't surprise that song. Yeah Maybe got blocked that's possible who knows anyway, but yeah, I really enjoyed the song I did too and the overall score of it No, once again, not shocking because it's a Raman. He's just yeah He can't I don't think he can do bad work. He's one of the artists that I just I'd be shocked if like no, no I didn't like that. He's Here's an analogy that I really mean. He's as consistent an artist That he's like the ocean Every time I go to the beach. I know what I would expect when I go to the beach and it's different each time But I'm never disappointed. Yeah It's it's always gonna produce something that I'm expecting that's gonna make me happy and Another one thing I want to shout out before we get into the story because obviously that'll probably be where we'll have the most of the conversation here. Yeah, for sure. The cinematography cinematography I I thought was gorgeous. I especially for when it went again. Yeah, I loved some of the things they did especially There were some storytelling aspects where they were in the book and then the book came out So it was the animated book page and then it came out while she was telling the story Yeah, I thought the the the music segments were done really well. I saw Very little if any I couldn't find the place where you might find something That's a little questionable would be in some of the action sequences I've like the VFX of the bombs right which that was totally forgivable totally forgivable But like I said at the outset when it comes to the technical aspects of this Yeah, I enjoyed every part of it when it comes to the technicalities my only thing which we'll get into is the problems I had with story that really disconnected me from enjoyment was your main problem with the story the the main problem I had with the story was Why hmm we would take a little go to our nine-year-old adopted child Into a frickin war zone To find a mom that didn't want her Leaving behind our two biological children with the grandparents that in and of itself didn't bother me But that we would risk our lives for something that is simply the nine-year-old's desire to know her birth mom Hmm. I didn't see a justification for that sense of risk taking to endanger the life of that child and endanger the lives of the two parents of the kids who were back in India Therefore every decision they were making at that point including The lack of supervision of the nine-year-old who's already proven she's gonna run away in a war zone Just letting her walk amongst the bushes unattended so that gorillas can pop up and get her That was the biggest among several things for me that I could not comprehend What the rationale was behind doing that or? Again similar thing they're going to leave because it's so dangerous and Indra Indira says let's go back to the city one more time and the guy with them says there's the soldiers are gone It's way too dangerous. We you almost died when you were back there, please. Okay. I just That was the big one as was the happenstance It just so happens that in this city that's torn apart from this war where the soldiers left and it's that dangerous Who happens to be the only other person in the city that they see? The biological mom and the brother that they see at the same time it it just about the end Yeah, no, they were following the biological mom and the brother were following them They they when they left there. I didn't see that. Thank you that helps me when they left their house Uh-huh that took took or whatever right was actually at the house and they okay that helps. Yeah, that helps But it's still yeah, yeah, doesn't for me justify why on earth What was what was bringing them bringing them into the war into a war zone. Yeah, yeah, no, I I Yeah, that that I couldn't root for them because it was it was just So dangerously dumb that that part I even though while I was watching I was like, yeah, what I what I do No, no, should anyone do that? No, what I do this? No, but it and it is I guess it came up to of Indian emotion and wanting they're like I Don't want to say overly dramatic, but like they're very passionate and like they they do stuff for the love of their child Love of each other. I I chalked it up to that like I said what I do that No, obviously, I wouldn't risk my family and do that and I don't think I don't think anybody should but Granted should they probably not yeah, did they that was the story that he told and so yeah, I understand I get it Yeah, it was hard for me to root. I understand you're but also I was just I was like this is what the movie is trying to tell me and that's kind of basically how it took it and also the walking around even though once again Would I parent differently and and be more present near my child? Obviously we're in a different country and this was obviously a different time in the country because this wasn't even even those made 20 years ago I think this story because it was maybe it was present because obviously we've only heard a little bit about this Conflict between Sri Lanka and Tamil right we've seen a few videos about it and how long it went on It was a lot of mostly guerrilla warfare between the countries, right? Mm-hmm, and it's only more recently that it's Right, right more Well, there's still tensions. Yeah still tensions But like I think it was more like ten years ago ish that it kind of yeah I don't know the exact time frame for sure. I only vaguely Remember a few videos that we've seen something me too. I remember us seeing a documentary Yeah, something a small short like a short minute. Yeah, for example like that And so that I'm glad we saw those because or else I was like, what is this come right? No idea what this conflict is right obviously for Indians or Tomos who are much more familiar They're probably gonna feel a lot more passionate about it and that kind of stuff And I don't know that the the mom specifically that they knew they didn't want her obviously And I don't even think the mom didn't want her I think she I think the mom always wanted a child The dad said he didn't want a child and I think that led into it and then also going into a war zone That mom knew that that wasn't a good place for a child Well, and she says to her brother at one point She says I I don't have one child. I have 300 children now because right. Yeah, right, which made it even more hard for me to comprehend Granted it seemed emotionally manipulative to have a culminating story be With her holding out her arms and her having to make the decision between my biological daughter or my brother representative of the family I wanted to have versus the The the the family I have with the fight that we're fighting There was nothing about that that felt justifiably truthful for me to care It seemed very Just we're gonna get to this place and do something that is going to tap into emotion Which for me is not the higher priority and storytelling truth is So that's another reason I disconnected that part didn't bother me. Um And even though obviously there's some parts that I do agree I I don't know that I'd call it emotionally manipulative even though it might be I'd call Indian in terms of that's that's how they did stuff for a long time Shower con movies are fucking full of it. I know and that that and I'm this is here's a here's a it I had the same Feeling with that that I did when we were watching 80 83 83 you love 83 No, no, I'm thinking of you're thinking of 96. No 83 the run beer film I got you when things were being done that were Clearly just to provoke an emotion from the audience and granted. Yes, that does happen a lot in Indian cinema, but Frequency for me doesn't justify it in just a work for you this time and a mechanism of storytelling Zara film that you loved. Yes a lot because it's rooted in truth. It's not rooted in manipulation I I didn't I didn't feel this one was really maybe I thought it was it's the same thing I almost felt this one was more authentic than like let's say any shower con movie That has a little more camp to it a lot of times than than others not saying Oh, yeah, ours specifically. Yeah, but obviously shower con He tends to have a lot more camp and that kind of stuff in the show And and I'm not just not just saying shower con movies do that It's an it's an indian thing, especially an older indian thing that happened a lot But it just I understand. I think you're saying I just didn't bother me And I think there could have been a way to do something that maybe many people take away from the film or Was trying to convey which would be this because there was another point that felt not heavy-handed but a bit Well, there was a point where it became an anti-war film In the discussion that that was being had about we should throw all our weapons into the ocean And I think it would have worked on a much larger and more profound scale had we Felt at least I say we if I had felt a more A deeper rationale behind the reason to go in and connect with the mom other than just the nine-year-old wanted it and and Really feeling this sense of The only reason this girl can't find her adopted mom who probably wants to be with her too is because of war I wouldn't it be wonderful if we didn't have these wars because all they do is tear families apart But that never even came remotely close to materializing for me if it was intended And I would have loved to have seen that because it would have helped me if there had been a justifiable rational reason other than just Irresponsible risk-taking I could have rooted for them to be there and might have been more involved in the emotional aspect at the end And maybe felt less manipulated by that. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, that whole obviously I I talked to them even like I said what I've done it. Absolutely not I wouldn't have risked my children's life. I get that Uh, we we are obviously coming from a different culture and obviously a different people They might have uh, I don't I don't know what the situation is Obviously, maybe they not didn't know what this exact situation was obviously when they got there they did and they kept going Yeah, and they doubled down on it. They just they kept going. Yeah, but maybe they were like we're already here. I don't know We're already here our kid almost died from a suicide bomber, but let's keep going But yeah, I I I more chalked that up to just the And you might have called it manipulation. I just called it. I was it didn't feel out of place in an Indian film to me that part of it and so it It kind of worked for me If this was an American film, obviously that probably wouldn't have worked I mean, it'd be a completely different film if it was an American film, obviously because you know, we have different Sensibility would have been far more forgiving styles. Yeah I would have been far more forgiving of that emotional ending and chalked it up to Indian cinema's propensity toward that emotional connectivity if And I think the end had been just justified by the means the means for me at that point I was so frustrated by What they had done that the emotion didn't matter to me and I obviously I think they really wanted because they see that she really wanted to Meet her biological mom You can have a whole different conversation about this is probably not how you should tell an adopted child That's right, but that's like saying the first thing he says you're not our daughter Why would you say that? Well, my thought was immediately that had to have been lost in translation It couldn't have been that crass and hard to her in that moment because obviously he loved his daughter Yes, I think he did I gave a pass on translation for that I was like don't and obviously I can't it's it's hard to tell people Who's never had an adopted child how to tell how and when you tell your kid That's a complex issue family complex issue. I get it. Is there ever a right time? I would argue that they should probably always know Me too. My preference would be they know from as early as age as possible However, that also comes into play with they then have to understand the difference between biological parenting and adoptive parenting I don't think they need to understand it immediately. I think they just know. Yeah, I don't know you were adopted We fell in love with you and Yeah, that part of it different conversation that we don't need to have that part of it. I have no But obviously that obviously they see she was running away. She was doing all the stuff. She really wanted to She was obviously torn up about the entire thing as a nine-year-old would be And so I think that they really wanted that for her and I think the Maybe the the dad was a romantic because he's a writer. Who knows But the mom was also just She obviously loved her and she was her actual mother and she took care of her and she saw her as a daughter But since she saw her daughter really wanted to meet her biological mother They would do anything for her to get that I for sure that that that that's a justification that I gave to at all I understand that extreme. Yes that the least they would feel they could do for her having In their hearts felt like they disappointed her and her heart has been broken If she's now saying I want to meet my biological mother that they would they would go to do You just don't think they should have done in a war. So 100% I understand But also I it didn't bother me. I I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I was thoroughly invested in the movie So was my wife while watching even though She repeatedly said if my daughter ever said that to me My daughter didn't let me hold her I swear there there were a couple of points there where she was edging on the side of brattiness Where I was Take her home But yeah, I I enjoyed the film. I was it I was invested in the film and so I understand I get it It's uh, it I like I said, what wouldn't do it I So I understand this is not one where I don't understand your your viewpoints. There are others. Oh, of course. There are others There are you fucking idiot. Well, I I can understand Um while I don't agree with it and I probably never would in the same reason there's people I always use this extreme example who like hundah hundah Yeah, no who who like boyhood Or the disagreement. No, I know or the disagreements. For example, we had the year which was a really fun oscars Uh because of many reasons but the year of moonlight and and la la land and the differences of opinions we had about that I you can't deny the fact that moonlight is a fantastic film fantastic film. It's a great film And you're just never the twain shall meet. So anyways, let us know what you thought about this film What should we are? Well our next money brought in film. Yeah, we're gonna be p.s. Do madhavan and madhavan Yeah, and is that I don't know that's madhavan. I think it's help us. I think it's madhavan But I could respectfully but I don't say his name My wife or her she would tell us maybe she would know Uh anyways, let us know what you thought about the film and what should be the next dammel film that we watch down below