 All right, let's get started. Good evening everyone. My name is Brennan Hogan chair calling this June meeting of the Public Works Commission to order at 631 First item on the agenda is the agenda itself Motion to approve the agenda Commissioner Barr, thank you from that Second from Vice-chair on the obovaco. Thank you for that. Is there any discussion around that motion? We are seven strong in the room go to a voice vote all in favor if we say aye Any post Public forum see any takers in the room we check on the phone Interested speaking Moving forward all rights Consent agenda item for agenda. We have a few things minutes from a meeting July 3rd parking rates Bank Street Temporary construction parking North Union time limited 101 College Street vehicle loading in a brick Street. No parking And the draft minutes are the amended ones the draft minutes are those as Mended shared early this afternoon and in front of us at the moment so I'll make a motion to accept the consent agenda with the new proposed draft minutes Thank you. Is there a second second second from Commissioner Montana. Thank you Is there any discussion around it? I had a quick question for staff on for either one-on-one College Street vehicle loading zone area I Was just curious in your conversation with the residents in that particular building It's going from 15 minutes to a 30 minute vehicle loading zone And they cited ssta or access to easy access to ssta is one of the reasons for wanting this 30 minute space And I wonder if by switching it to Sort of legalizing a 30 minute window for somebody to sit there that could inadvertently Have you know a car that isn't really using that space for that particular building And then the ssta bus wouldn't be able to actually load and unload Passages in that spot and I'm just curious if any conversation came up about around using Like the transit I know for like South Manuski the Commission approved something I think last year In front of the Howard Center, so I was just curious if there was any discussion around a similar Ordinance for that Thank you for the question. Yes had several conversations with the residents and the folks that manage the building residents in the building and Folks that made the initial requests were adamants and I explained it pretty much functionally the same But as you just pointed out now we put a 30 minute, you know time-limited space in there They're adamant that they want it to be a vehicle loading space. Okay, I Mean the beauty of this is if it is a problem, yeah, and we can always adjust Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that was at least brought up with residents there that they might end up getting something that they didn't Didn't want It was explained. Okay That's all. Thank you. All right. Can I also ask a quick question for staff? Sure Item D the North Union Street limited I'm just wondering why There's their decision was three spaces instead of like maybe two, you know, we got one One public feedback and it was from a resident You know so wondering what sort of interaction there was with the businesses that are right on that corner, you know Challenging corridor as we we know balancing the needs of residents and businesses there So just looking for a little context around that right. Thanks for the question I think we landed on three. It just seemed to make sense given the context of the space that's there between the end of Taco Gordo and this just it seemed to be the logical thing to do You know, unfortunately in requests like these Folks that do support things like this. They're not necessarily the ones that are going to reach out and be like, oh, yes Please we need to do this Usually just here from folks that don't necessarily want it to happen We have several anecdotal conversations with businesses on the street and City counselors that made the initial suggestion that this is the direction that we should take and much like the time Limited space on College Street. If we do find that we need to make adjustments. We can always do that Thank you All right, we have a motion that's been seconded I Just have one question. What are you going to how's the method be for the 15 minutes on Bank Street? Is there are you going to put those yellow meters in there or you know, that's obviously a kiosk thing So what's the method that's going to be used to make that? Clear that that's what it is for the temporary That's the two 15 minute spots that are sort of near where people might be using the ATM and you know running to get food Or something we would have the contractor or potentially our own crews put up 15-minute signs If they're needed So that's not a 15-minute thing for the general public to use it is It would be just if we get feedback from businesses that Their customers are having hard time finding parking. We could I Guess those are metered spaces it would be the yellow meters They were but there's no meters in that section at all because it was all taken away when the when it was all Turned over to the construction project. So You're going to put yellow meters in there so people know it's a 15 minute thing There's put those things back in there with the corridors on them. Yeah, okay I was just curious because it's really it's all real ambiguous on that whole stretch of Bank Street It's sort of free for all. Yeah for now. So great. Thanks Right any other discussion To a vote then all in favor say aye Move forward item 5 parking violation ordinance change So mr. Padgett is Unexpectedly out today, so you get me for the next three agenda items Thanks for your understanding as I walk through these items. So the first item is the meter and time-limited parking fine increase and What you see before you in the packet is a proposal to Increase the fines for meter violations and time-limited parking violations from 15 to $20 Division director Jeff Padgett stated well, I think in the second page the description of why We're proposing this in a way our goal is to Move towards as few fines as possible But we want to set up a terrain where it's easy to do the right thing and right now There are day-long parkers who pay More to pay legitimately at the dollar 15 hour meters than a violation of a $15 ticket And we think that there's a good message in that doing the right thing should be the cheaper Direction in addition Balancing this year's FY 24 budget for the general fund violations do go to the general fund Has been strained this year and this action will also assist the city in balancing its budget The last increase was 2013 Inflation since 2013 has been around 30% which is Approximately the increase from 15 to 30 to $20 excuse me and other communities. We've researched. You'll see at the bottom $20 is still on the low end of the spectrum Portland Maine has 20 but UVM is 25 Rotland has 30 Port Smith, New Hampshire 35 Still, you know, our goal here is to not be overly punitive and make the parking downtown something affordable to all people So we're proposing 20 and happy to answer any questions Start to notice here, sir. Damiani. I Think my only question was around Timing implementation of when this would actually go into effect. I might have missed it in the memo We might not have been explicit Yes, that is a good point so once the Commission approves it there is a 21 Day appeal period so we would not catch the July one Start of the fiscal year, but sometime Mid-July We would be able to implement the revised fee structure Okay, I guess I just have one quick question Roughly how many tickets are charged at this? 15 to $20 rate for meter violations relative to the total, right? It is the predominant Ticket that we issue Is it around 2000 Yes, thank you you're pulling it from the memo that I do not pick up on so yes It is the predominant ticket and but that said interestingly other tickets are much more expensive So while it's 65% of the number of tickets, I'm not sure what it equates to in total revenue Something much less than 65% All right 30% thank you, Rob Thank you I think it's fine that we're changing the rate to the other rate and also I know we've always talked about whether the fines are intended to encourage Behavior which is what you just right instead of being punitive and revenue generating so I'm fine with this proposal. Okay fine with the fines Why is chair on your welcome Yeah, I very few comments other than I appreciate the information on inflation that it wasn't this capricious move from 15 to 20 That we are tracking with inflation And with sort of our kind of peer communities So that isn't We do need to kind of keep up with that bit. I think it's really important The education piece I think is key also making sure that The if there are any frequent pliers on the parking ticket World that they are aware that that this will be going into effect so It's sort of that public really Mr. Goulding that public relations campaign Mm-hmm Again to let folks who aren't watching this know that this is tracking with inflation That we are not being predatory Thanks So I like that we're using data that we continue to use data and that we're not at the high end of virtually anyone for increasing this I Am curious though it kind of touching on How are we going to educate the public and I've mentioned this before Do we actually write things on the ticket envelopes what fines are those kind of things or do we It'll obviously be written issued on the piece of paper that goes in the envelope But just so they know that it's an increase Reference the ordinance number and the specific violation that folks are subject to If I recall that's a relatively recent change across all the ordinances that are enforced by parking services Yeah, I should know that but I haven't got a ticket. So, you know, that's that's probably a good thing. Thank you Commissioner Fox Yeah, I don't have very many comments on this either. I think it's fine I will echo my fellow commissioners in the sort of education piece around the change change I think, you know, it's a compelling statement to say You know Pay the meter rather than pay the ticket, right? Like it'll save you money that sort of thing It didn't articulate that message very well, but I think there's a good messaging in there in terms of like the customer interface Yeah All right, thank you The only thing I'll add is let's Remember this if we're revisiting other types of fees in the future to make sure things Scale on sync, right again, I understand that there's maybe some study of I think maybe focused on the downtown or the Main Street Great Streets Visinity about what the right Price is and I think there was a remember correctly there's a decision to like hold on changing pricing for now We come back to it. Let's Yes, there was a request for more work and study and we're doing that work and we'll hopefully bring back a more comprehensive recommendation for you Right no further on This pass through the Commission here mr. Golden can you check on the phones for us anyone interested in speaking a public comment on this one? All right With that I'll bring it back to the Commission. I would welcome a motion if it has Mr. Montana I move to adopt the attached update in the Burlington code ordinance to raise meter and timely to buy it Meter in time limited violations from 15 to 20 dollars Okay, all right Second that motion All right second from Commissioner Fox. Thank you for that Is there any discussion around that motion? The one thing I noticed is that you're also removing the convenience fee, which is like the credit card fee of some sort Yeah, good eyes, which is which is you know nice, right? That was another element of this proposal Yes, people are as I like to say not usually at their best when they're paying a parking ticket and Adding a convenience fee on top of that seems like it's only adding to the frustration So baking it into the ticket fee felt like a easier one-stop shop And they're still the whoops Yes Does that mean that the city is actually paying the fee for the credit card usage off of that so you in effect You're not really getting twenty dollars. You're getting twenty dollars minus the convenience fee The city certainly still is paying for the credit card processing But the two dollars and seventy-five cent fee was from the previous vendor that we were using and we have a newer vendor We're not paying as much of a fee So it's not as much of a hit to the city any other discussion around this Thank you, thank you All right, there's this has you've got me you've got me again. All right. Thank you So this item was one of the revenue bond authorization for garage capital work is one that We have been working behind the scenes as folks are aware we've been doing work on Both the downtown garage and marketplace garage to keep them open and safe The marketplace garage nearing 50 years in age is certainly been a challenging one to keep in good repair You see in the in the memo. We've made approximately seven hundred fifty thousand dollars worth of repairs to those garages and When we started doing the work back in 2022 as you'll see on the second page of the memo the clerk treasurer's office was understaffed the plan was to pull Some loan at that time coming out of COVID As you have heard from us we The two funds the parking facilities fund which is garages and lots and the traffic fund which is on street revenue the meters both of those funds are The fund balance is exceedingly low in each fund To the case that our parking facilities fund is needing to borrow Not only for this but for additional Debt service that will be coming to you in subsequent months so What we have done with the clerk treasurer's office because they were low on staff is they delayed the pulling of debt to be able to service this work the general fund paid the $750,000 for this work and now we the Parking facilities fund needs to reimburse the general fund for the upgrades to the garages So this debt service will enable us to repay the general fund and as you'll see the terms here are that two years no debt service payments while the fund replenishes and traffic comes back To downtown and then we will pay it off in years three four and five. So it's a fairly short note and 3.75% interest estimated that's what the clerk treasurer's office has been quoted We won't know until the loan documents are executed, but it will be in that range. So interest will be minimal Happy to answer any questions. There's a resolution in the packet that was drafted by bond counsel The bond council is suggesting that by their read of the charter that the commission Needs to under the general control of the garages needs to recommend approval of this Resolution to the full city council happy to answer any questions. All right. Thank you So one question on this and so we know that Revenues are still in the process of recovering so Have they started to pick back up and sort of based on that Existing data are projected revenues for that three four year three four and five are they expected to recover sort of in in time for this In this time frame based on the data that we sort of have Yes We for FY 24 we've budgeted three point four million dollars of revenue part of the Strengthening revenue is that two hours free was removed from marketplace garage Two or so years ago, but unfortunately COVID occurred right when we did that so We lost the expected revenue bump from that activity So or that rate change So we do expect that to help we also with city place under construction We'll have a lot more activity happening around the downtown garage Which during the construction phase may be more contractor parking? But then clearly once the people start moving into city place I am entirely confident that we will see a much greater utilization of the downtown garage Which is still hanging out around 40 50 60 percent occupancy No crystal ball, but we think this is a prudent step But we will need to watch financials carefully And I'm sure we'll be back to you to kind of give timely updates as part of our annual garage Presentation in February. Yeah. Yeah, obviously there are all there's tons of variability on it But I think grasping at the data that we can sort of right It's important, but yeah, all right Fisher bar Actually, I have no comments. I think everything was Well put together in the proposal All right, well, it's Gerald Neva vodka Do I dare say I have no comments? No, I think this I think this looks great, and I think But it's still you've been saying No, I think it looks great. I appreciate commissioner box comments and questions those were those were mine And I think kind of tracking tracking the revenue for the garages not just to To pay down this bond, but also in the anticipation of any other future maintenance Issues will also be We can hear from Jeff You reminded me of one thing if I may chair So the administration to Commissioner Fox's comments Has asked us to bring a multi-year pro forma with our expected revenues year over year Back to the board of finance in the next three to six months We would certainly provide that same information to the city to the commission if it doesn't fall in February with your annual presentation will bring it whenever it's ready. So it's certainly on our minds as well To in full transparency the parking facilities fund has had over it's around 2.2 to 2.5 million dollars of other debt that When the pandemic hit We were unable to meet our debt coverage ratios for that debt So that debt was assumed by the city's general fund because we could no longer meet the Commitment of having a 1.25 debt coverage ratio having a profitable enough business to keep the lender Comfortable that we were going to be able to continue the payments So we are going to be looking at financing that one as well And I would assume that when we come back for that one Which is much larger than this that we would be bringing you the performer at the same time a little bit more financial Rigor given the size of that borrowing so that you have greater comfort that we can take on that debt Found it interesting That this The method of financing this was out of the general fund for this capital Repairs and then then follow up with that and it's really sort of the same thing that was that was done in the investment of Burlington telecom You know the Burlington telecom the money was invested on the general fund and then there was anticipation of the borrowing like this and And then obviously the 2008 2009 financial crisis happened so things went wacko So I just find it ironic that this is exactly the same sort of scenario that we're having You know trying to keep things Done getting getting done in the repairs had to happen But the money gets moved from wherever it needs to get moved and then you know you hope that That somebody's going to buy these bonds and feel like we're we're going to be able to pay them back off of our Parking revenue so I you know my first question was about how much interest it actually is going to add by not paying any Thing on the debt the first two years and I don't think there's any way around it I think I understand your reasoning about not not Expecting $250,000 plus interest to be available the first year on this debt So I I can understand what's going on. I just I just had to mention that you know that was That was an interesting parallel in the way that the the financing happens to get things done in Burlington, so Thank you very much. Yeah Commissioner Montana No comments Mr. Damiani, I Also have no comments as well All right. Yeah, it's nothing further on my ends Check with the phone see if anyone's interested speaking public comment on the side All right, thank you With that, I'll bring it back to the Commission for a vote to make a motion to accept staff's recommendation On and recommending to the Council to approve it. Thank you for that motion Commissioner Barr I'll take the motion Take the second Vice-Chair O'Neill Blanco, thank you for that Is there any discussion around this motion? Right go to a vote then it's all in favor. They say hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi for myself All right motion passes unanimously. Thank you We forward item seven on our agenda draft fiscal year 24 goals objectives All right, you've got me again Thank you So each year we've provided the Commission an overview of Leadership's goals and objectives for the public to understand what our priorities are and for the Commission to evaluate My performance and the other appointed position in the department, which is the city engineers performance So this is very much a draft for FY 24 Thought was that we could get your feedback here and that I bring back a updated version to your first meeting in FY 24 Some years the Commission's kind of voted to accept it in other years. You just Have seen it as a staff document I'm flexible. However, the Commission wants to Memorialize it, but definitely think it's helpful for you to understand where I In the other members of the leadership team including mr. Goulding here and the city engineer norm Baldwin Want to drive the ship in this coming year and get your feedback? All right, thank you for that intro Fischer bar Comments questions. No, I mean, I I think it's it's a great document I'd like to call it a dynamic document because it's always it's a living document that We it ebbs and flows, but it's good to have these I'll call them intermediate objectives to reach reach the ultimate success rate here Burlington Yeah, I mean I read through it And I didn't see anything that really jumped out at me as being a challenge or or not something that should be on here So, okay All right Nice chair on the other vodka I do really appreciate this Shards and grass people who've worked with me before I Think as commissioner bar said it's a working document. It's a living document. I appreciate You know the the information on like reducing injuries Your safety program like yeah, that's like to me. That's big because those are our human resources There are people those are our co-workers So I think stuff like those kind of metrics to me are really valuable And then of course there's always like what can we what can we do more? You know what happened with those those seven who were injured? and The increasing engagement with underrepresented representative constituents, I see that The city that this commission in particular that the staff has really worked hard Thank you to Mr. Goulding for a lot of his work on this I think there's there's so much more. There's so many Issues that I don't think we can even fathom that we don't understand Because we put the information out I don't know where there's a feedback loop to actually solicit information from some of the new Americans Like what are they interested in knowing? What are they what what impacts them right? We think about the sidewalk in front of my house is It's broken. I think oh the city's not doing anything I don't know what those pressure points are for Some of some of our new Americans in particular And relationship with public institutions is very different in other cultures than it is the United States So there's a lot I think Continuing to move forward And recognize that we're going to have to retool is going to be important instead of saying we kind of put these boxes Right The coordination with private projects I Think I think that's great. There's so many dealing with it's not a private project It's a project having our water lines reliant but The recognition that Any time there's infrastructure work How the public sees it and how how public works? Presents it. It's not a public works problem or an issue, but the public sees Someone wearing flash yellow and a construction vehicle and it's public works and why are they doing this? Where's the tax money and blah blah blah? I think recognizing as you do here that there needs to be good communication and coordination on some of those Some of those issues and projects that intersect with our public infrastructure. So good good The solid waste and soil management facilities. I know this is just the The facility I will say I would love to again see if there's any way we can look for consolidated waste management I live on a small Caldissac and there are six heavy-duty trucks that come down This is this impacts our air quality Those things are high polluting They are slow moving so they're spewing diesel emissions right by where people live and You have six different heavy-duty trucks Moving on our streets, right? So I know that you know that and I know that this is a bigger issue than this commission But I feel like there are lots of things in our guiding plans like the net zero energy plan That can help Bolster some of the arguments that the city needs to make Yeah, I think that's it I think this this is this is great and those are I think my time So thank you All right Domiani Yeah, I really appreciate the particularly the metrics column special ones where we can easily put a number to that I think I know that a lot of Metrics are included in the various different agenda items that we see month-to-month But I think it'd be really helpful for you know, I know there's the open data portal. There's These particular metrics that are in here But to see right the actual numbers behind this year over year whether it's in this meeting annually or the meeting before Where we're talking about The reviews of the different department heads. I'm just I think it'd be helpful to have that all consolidated in one place Yeah To other sort of more overarching topics that I don't know how they fit into the overall document But one is I'm a really big proponent of demonstration products. I know they take a lot of staff time And in whatever way we can do them whether it's really small Versions of that for projects that will be Adopting regulations moving forward. I think that's really helpful and then the last piece is also around data, but Just in the sort of year so far being on the Commission there's been I Don't want to say a distrust of data from the public But it seems like the public has been questioning a lot of the data that's come out of the permit It all seems perfectly fine to me looking at it, but I don't know how we sort of get over that That roadblock that I think Can style me some progress for the department Yeah, I'm going to piggyback and talk about the data part a little bit more Regarding this enterprise asset management program. Yeah, will any of the data available through that? More specifically the metrics that you discussed in item six the number of potholes sewer mishaps Breaks is there any time that that data will be integrated through the data? Dot Burlington dot gov portal So the public can have more complete access to these numbers and really get an idea of what kind of data DPW is actually collecting and how these sorts of Well mishaps are actually handled across the city Yes You raise great point some of this data is easier to bring forward and we are already easily capturing it water main brakes Pothole requests are all things easily extracted from our tools there are other Pieces that we are still working to kind of Build the back end of the enterprise asset management tool to kind of capture and then be able to efficiently pull out So I think what I'm hearing from two of the commissioners here is you know, maybe more of a big picture kind of metrics Agenda items at future commission meetings where we can delve into trend data and see where we are moving the needle and where we haven't been able to move the needle and I think you know, that's a helpful Way that we can elevate issues where we either need more resource or different policy Kind of enable us to move the needle Yeah, without a doubt. It's kind of the kind of things that you guys get phone calls about I think it is really is really the key like how are people perceiving the work that DPW is doing and Is it is it uniform throughout the city or are there really places that people feel like man This pot hole has not been taken care of yet when I go over to this part of town, you know It's it's kind of just that perception whether or not the data actually Corresponds with that might be a different story But at least meeting and kind of discussing well, this is where we're at now What can you know? How can we explain? These perceptions and and really the numbers that we actually do have so yeah, thank you Thank you for that Commissioner over me. I have first a question and then I have a suggestion How how do you use this yourself in a you know on a day-to-day whatever month-to-month basis? How do you use this document? I Would say for Myself in the leadership team we meet usually every other week and It helps me Focus on where we need to be allocating our resource and problem-solving efforts I Think you know taking an example out of this the Enterprise asset management efforts. I am able to work with the asset management steering committee to say okay Here's the feedback we've gotten from the Commission Here's the data that I need as a manager of our department to be able to make sure that we're delivering on our promise to To residents so I would say that this document That I have developed with you all over the last several years has been more of a leadership team to Commission document it is not a full bore strategic planning effort that involves the entire staff of the organization But it helps the leadership team Identify our priorities figure out where we need to invest more and where we need to gatekeep and say we can't do this because We've already committed to X Y and Z so do you like go through the list every? month just so that you do a quick check in on how status on each of those I do My leadership team, you know, I would say that this is this not something that's directly brought to our regular leadership team meetings But this is something I definitely continue to check in on and then when specific issues arise when we refer to this and say is it consistent with our Plan for the year, but it sounds like it's a lot for to help the Commission understand the breadth of the work That's going on and sort of a little bit of an idea Yeah, I because it's important to have things like this because you'll Forget so I wasn't sure how you were using it. It sounds like it's not exactly you probably have other documents that you use that you run through your Checklist of things that you're dealing with Regular basis that the suggestion one of the things that has concerned me about this document every time I've seen it is Under the status column You know what you have the metrics which like the one that I have some you know concern about an interest in is the professional Development percentages of people that are taking courses and internal Hiring yeah in the column under the status it would seem like you would want to have that be a You know status as of a certain date So if you have a metric that says percent of staff participating in professional development each year percentage of positions that are filled internally That status column it would be helpful if that was actually a number So your metric is telling you what the numbers are going to be but you know the way you figure it out in a just objective way Yeah, but I just have felt like it is never it is it feels very squishy to me without those numbers that are the metric That you've defined. I don't know. I mean, you know continued progress It's what seems to show. I mean, I'm you know I know this is not something that your day-to-day work is but It would be to me The metric you've already done the work. Yes, those numbers and then put them in that column It would have to have a date. It wouldn't say FY 24 status. It would actually be as of today Or whatever of date range or something like that. How many staff did? professional development so That would be my suggestion on the we agree there's there's areas where we wish we had more capacity You know for recordable injuries, you know We've had 11 recordable injuries last three years. We were down to seven this last year Those are easy things to count some of the pieces like potholes reported or easy We don't we're still working to develop a metric to kind of be able to get generate the report on how many people have taken Professional development. We're working on it. We're not there yet. We don't have a data expert full-time in the house Or even part-time in-house, so we're still building that ship, but I think I share your goal I'm just We just add a few things one is, you know, there's professional development where Licensure and certifications require you to have 30 professional development hours on a two-year cycle Do we do a record and report? Every individual who's got a license and how many hours they've completed any given milestone or specific date No, we could probably try to begin to assemble that But there's also the safety training that goes with each and every position within the department that has gone through kind of a transition from HSI to now NeoGov in that platform and we're It's now all electronic online training for safety at least So I think there's probably ability to be able to capture some of that data or metrics from there but the professional development hours are really kind of Individuals who participate on a cycle for instance for me I have to do 30 hours every year and Well, I like it or not I tend to kind of jam that last year of renewal Doing the 30 hours over probably a four-month period Because they just simply don't have that focus at that throughout the year to kind of complete those tasks and trust me I'd rather have it spread over time than sit through training Intensely for some three foot four month period. It's it's a challenge, but there is There is a lot going on with the department when you look at this list. These are things that we kind of Work on a daily basis and kind of a heart and soul and this kind of really frames Kind of where we're driving to but that doesn't mean every one of these items is our primary focus every day It comes and goes seasonally and so it's It's This is part this is explaining kind of our culture and our thinking so you understand kind of the depth of Where we're trying to do and then you can either validate that or question at our challenge that but it's not a bad idea to try To build further the metrics that support Substantiate really what we're doing because there's a lot going on. I would just say if the metric is really Not easy to do because it's just really a lot of busy work for something. I wouldn't use that as a metric I would use something that you can actually do that's that's beneficial to you as well So it's not like busy work to make it through the commission to have that number But you know so don't put them I wouldn't have a metric that it was so much work that it's like it never gonna happen and you know I you know I'm saying I'm just trying to because that's how you that's how you know that you're making progress And that's how the Commission could know that you're making progress instead of continued progress Work in progress. It doesn't really have any substance Even even though you're very clear about what you think is a way to tell that you're making progress, you know You know saying that's all I'm getting at some of the things in terms of asset management is we're in this infancy of Developing systems that then need to be pushed through down to the culture of the workers doing the work in the field And how do you automate those systems? How do you make it so that it's not a burden, but it's actually Useful information that could kind of feed back into how well we're doing or not doing Well, you actually you absolutely have to have the people that are made to do the busy work to get the numbers for the metrics That get benefit out of it And most a lot of times there isn't any so it's just it's just work. It's not helpful And so, you know that you know you clearly are trying to come up with something that tells you that that you're making progress of the asset management, so maybe it's like something like you know what what you know six six assets that are Fleshed out into a certain structure in the system Every six months or every year, you know, that's a metric that you can go. Did we do it or did we not? So like as an example, yeah, our paving in our sidewalk activity is an important metric Our ability to understand how bad the roads are with potholes is an important metric Some of what we're trying to focus on is not just what we have for money No fire will go but also kind of having a sense and feel of how bad the potholes are in the city We spent the last two or three weeks Inventorying that and my hope is from it. I'll know where the first priorities are with the investment that we have available to us which We all know that if I'm spending money on potholes I'm not spending money on real proactive work That's a reactive response and as we go further into Circumstance of less funding availability because of the capital funding challenges It's gonna be really important that we know and understand where our highest and best investment is And so we're trying to spend a lot of time understanding What's the consequence of of these different scenarios and where can we make the best use of that money? And it's it's not easy when you're spending a lot of that time kind of Circling around what can you do and what is the highest priority when you know there's a lot to do? Well, and how do you know whether you have actually been successful and finding the best use of the right? Well, it's it's it's a judgment call, but the public will give us that feedback, but that's how you define them That's where you set your metric. What is it that is going to tell you that you've succeeded in? You know best use of the money anyway There's a mic again in my opinion our success is the serviceability of those facilities You know the roads are rideable the sidewalks are walkable. That is right That's a varying degree of success based on the limited limited resource we have available And some people would would say that the roads, you know Some people think the roads are not rideable because their neighborhood they aren't and somebody so it's really again It's just it's an objective piece of thing. I don't want you to make an extra work for yourself I want you to make you know, I'd like to see that actually Truly are beneficial to the staff in each of that are dealing with trying to meet these goals. Yeah, that's that's really where I'm Yeah, I don't see I don't see his busy work. I think it adds value and it justifies What we're trying to help we're trying to do it All right, thank you as Former commissioner Gilman eloquently say you can't approve it if you can't measure it and I Really agree with what my fellow commissioners have been touching on here with their ability to measure things That's where I didn't put them up to it in front of mind for me for for a while now as we look down This list to consider over these points Here's a metric What this is and I guess First then I'll say for the things that are Easy to get our hands on Start putting those out out there like it'll you know and I would argue to not now wait till we have all 22 of these like Nailed and had an automated data flow to populate the DPW performance dashboard of our dreams We're like that. It's clearly a couple of easy wins on the thing. I mean even like the The thing that I look at off occasionally are the crash injuries Say Pain to get the right filters on the VTrans website and things but like that stuff should be sort of front and center like how People have been heard this month as an example has been challenging to get that information from the police and the state and the city's Police records are different than the state records and how detailed the state records are very My understanding is the state acts and records are very generalized and not actionable So we really try to dial into what is the city's police reports and some of those you're not actionable But at least they're what we have it's better than anything else. Yeah, and we're working on that Dating who's trying to work with police glaze on for that data So there's work being happening there. Okay, I dare. We'll bring you the data next month We're here in here and loud and clear no problem. We've got PCI. We've got sidewalk condition index city-wide We've got crash data city-wide. We'll bring it. It's important and I agree I think it's really good feedback and we're excited that you're excited to have that data Yeah, we'll bring it Towards that end on the sidewalk Sort of condition and work around the city It's mentioned in a previous meeting that there was an inquiry from counselor grant as to how Sort of sidewalk improvements I've been doing around the area. Yeah, is that Because a loop on on that with the counselor. Yeah We are working on that data of request and we'll certainly share it with the commission as soon as we have that we can Bring forward the city-wide condition index Item and I'm not sure where your team is on on doing the equity Split, but we'll bring that when we have it. It's in there, but it's a lot of buried math And there's a lot of measures that are in there that does does that calculation and I mean we can open the mathematical books on that but I We are very cautious about that because I don't want individual council members to manipulate that process To their own Individual ward interests. Sure. I don't think that the commission's asking to open up the numbers all we're doing is we're doing an equity Analysis, we'll bring that to you in the coming months once it's done And sort of keep an eye out for future you as you're doing that and think about ways that you can Make it easier for the next go around right a lot of the Things that I automate in my yeah, Dave job are driven from laziness. Yeah, it's sick of like Doing the same thing. Let me just get this thing report itself. Absolutely suggest to get with Mr. Goulding and our friends in the city planning analyst team and figure out a way this That information rise to the top You too, let's do it What's a stores the city TDM study It's mentioned in number 16 Yes, where that lives The living we're doing our office of city planning Norm's team is involved in that study. It was a council requested study under a past council and the Evaluation is to understand how Our transportation policy will interact with our permitting systems and what requirements we will put in place with development and We can certainly share the scope of work that the office of city planning is developing If there's interest Yeah Okay, yeah, there's a lot here and I appreciate you. Yeah putting this out for our Read and yeah, so I know this is not the The end of the conversation Look forward to digging in the whole thing like we've got 20 22 things here is a lot I know that the Whatever the Crisis to juror is sure well we'll take your your plan for what's What our priority is this this week and next week, etc. But do you have a sense like within these? 22 are some Things you revisit every sort of week as you're guiding document or something just like right, I know they're all important but So sir is there like a Seasonal flow of one year so as an example so I mentioned the idea of We have projects and how they affect the public, you know We're building and rebuilding things that are disruptive to daily lives of the public as an example The parkway is being built in that construction of that parkway. It clearly has impacts to businesses and there needs to be a Dialogue with those businesses before things happen so that people aren't surprised and we've been very laser focused on that and one of the things that I've been doing on a weekly basis is beginning with a city market because They are four corners disrupted by the parkway itself. And so we are sensitive to that issue We have public information people who work on that We have Corey who works and Ken who works very hard at communicating with the public who's Got concerns or express concerns. There is a lot of full-port press work to manage a contractor Who wants to make significant progress quickly and we are at the front line saying wait a minute Let's make sure the public knows and understands what's next so that they can get on with their lives and not be fully disrupted So we are building things, but we're also controlling and tempering and managing that effort So it doesn't completely Damage people permanently and I think that's an important part to any of these products and we We make that point very clear at the front end with our re's our contractors and We hope the public sees and understands that So that's an example staff It's important that we think very Thoughtful about how we train and prepare our personnel and staff to do this work Some things that I've done in the past. I'm now handing to other staff or less senior who are Learning and growing and being mentored in that process of doing that work. So there's a lot of that going on. We have interns In terms of doing great work But they're here also to learn and we want them To learn the things that we do on a daily basis so that they can in their careers Have the experience have the knowledge and leave this place Not just with a means of income, but also a base of knowledge. So Learning is really important to my team I think I think if you're asking what what do I focus on as director clearly The ones the division-wide objectives are things that I need to make sure that are orchestrated among the team to have success So that's where I spend a lot of my time I guess the You know our the items we previously voted on You know around parking revenue and the bond has me thinking about like the department's sort of financial planning and I guess I'm curious as to why you know, there are obviously like Goal 22 is around cost allocation and stuff like that, but I'm wondering if it might be useful to sort of have a high level like financial Goal or something for the department or if you want to just sort of speak to it Right yes, that's great comment and I think Given that the commission necessarily doesn't have kind of de facto authority over financials. It probably didn't Wasn't as explicit here. I mean There needs to be a North Star of us Achieving our budgeted objectives year over year the general fund as main drivers of revenue That fluctuates significantly is the amount of billable work norms team can do how many grants can we bring in and bill other people? for the engineers The other area of general fund revenue that fluctuates significantly is fine revenue not Yes fine revenue for the general fund and then how much? Street maintenance can do in building sidewalk catch basins because they actually are an in-house contractor So we are having to manage on the general fund kind of those the three main Activity centers to make sure we're billing enough. We're constructing enough and We're getting enough fine money in to keep the general fund whole but if if there's interest in understanding kind of our Financial management. I'm happy to pull those numbers out and look at trend data with you all So as shape noted we my team does significant amount of billing to grant projects So that means that the staff that we have which is pretty expansive though. It's a fairly Heavily consumed team. I have a table that shows precisely What projects I have and who's being assigned to it what percentage they're assigning to work to what is billable non billable and That is our driving force where we use click time to enter our time to make it billable and justified with our grant projects So we have we get a considerable amount of other people's money To support this team, but it provides technical staff resources. You probably the city normally wouldn't have available to them and Along with that we manage capital projects. Well capital products are significant dollars and cents that go through Our hands the parkway is an example forty one million dollar project. We're processing paying all those bills and This means that there's got to be a firm process of management here and that is where we have Contract authorizations. We have purchase orders. We have pay requisitions. We know precisely Transactionally where each project is in a given time because each pay wreck I require my staff to submit The spreadsheet that accounts for all those expenses. So we know financially where we are probably better than even the accounting system on a on a timely basis. So this is Number one important to me that we are managing this money as well and that we can Answer any question that comes up that comes through audit. So We have a process where for instance contracts execution of contracts flow through me then flow through Chapin I'm explaining precisely where we are with the authorization of the council He sees that in my communications to him and then he executes those contracts. So there is a Two-person turn the key before things happen. So there's a lot of financial review and time Spent within my team and with Chapin to make sure things are going well and We're on solid ground wherever we decide what action we're taking especially for major projects There's a lot of money on in play Thanks Anything else from the commission have a warren's public comment item here. Can we check in the phones? Mr. Goblin, please? All right quite night Right, so there's no action requested on this one. I'll say it a minute. I think Sentiments were very appreciative that you all put this in front of us and gives a chance to Look through it and read on it. Yeah things that we can Ask and learn more about as the year goes Appreciate your interest in metrics. This is going to be a I'm excited about the coming year and the opportunity to kind of work Through what we have and get your feedback Both in terms of where we're falling short where we're succeeding but also More importantly, you know where we can work to improve our metrics Some things are not easy to capture, but we'd like to tell the story better Yeah Anything else from the fellow commissioners and burning need to Make a motion or leave it as warned with nothing but our Appreciation for talking through it. Yeah Right Okay, with that I will close item seven and move forward to item eight on our agenda the director's reports. All right so Division director Jeff Padgett has put in your materials the notice about the July 3rd special rate and I don't believe it made it in the packet, but we will be sending to you a notice to the commission about 50% off in the downtown garage on Saturdays in the summer same type of promotion We did last year the garage is still way under utilized So trying to launch some sort of promotion that gives us a special message to encourage people to find the garage and thanks to Mr. Goulding and Mr. Padgett they've launched an ad campaign that you can see in the director's report as well about the downtown garage That is being distributed internationally in Montreal as well as other area drive markets There's been a lot happening as you can see in the director's report I won't go over the detail and actually, you know given that it's a lovely day outside. I'll keep it short Mr. Baldwin anything to add I would just know that There is a continuing movement with the parkway and I don't know if you understood but in previous conversations But the litigation has Subsided for the time being with the parkway and is continuing to advance and you're going to see Conservable amount of activity now moving from Lake from what is the new segments of the parkway to Lakeside Avenue and Pine Street, so you'll you as a matter of fact This coming Monday Tuesday will be pulling Rail out of on the west side of Pine Street Along that corridor to begin the process of constructing the parkway. So on Pine Street So there'll be stuff happening and it will obviously it will be disruptive but we're trying to best manage that and Lakeside Avenue is going to be undergrounding this will probably be a three weeks of Alternating one way one lane of traffic for two lanes of flow And then followed by a full closure that will detour through Sears Lane, so I guess I'm bringing this up. So you're not surprised by any calls you may get from the public Obviously, it's disruptive as that is you should know first that it's coming and that if you have questions Feel free to either call me or Corey. We can brief you on anything and anything that goes um our way or your way and There is on a weekly basis. There is the product updates that are on our the project website Champlain Parkway.com You welcome us check there as well But free free feel free to call either of us. Thank you. Mr. Wielding anything to add nothing Thank you Mr. Communications Yeah My question is about the potholes You mentioned that there was some kind of Assessment going on in the last couple weeks and I'm wondering what the conclusions of that was and sort of where the priorities are going to be going forward to Do something about them. Yeah, so I've not actually seen the inventory as yet I'm going to be scheduling time for scheduling time next week to go through that with staff We've been doing that inventory throughout the whole entire city. So it will tell us how many square feet of Potholes or bad potholes that need to be fixed when I talk about potholes our focus is really those areas where you have clusters of potholes together that have been patched and repatched and it's just a mess in one particular spot You know, you can have an isolated pothole that our right away team can fix But when you have a series of potholes all next to each other and patch the repair a number of times Our focus is how can we get those ground out as a small? Paving operation and get it repaved such that it gets us through to the next year or two to where we do more proactive full street redevelopment and Mind you some streets don't really necessarily need full street redevelopment They just need that particular focus on that one area that is ungodly bad for service ability and will it survive another winter season is the question mark But we only have so much money and how much money do we put towards the small operation patching versus Real solutions in terms of repaving the road. This is the balancing act We have we are not fond of the idea of spending significant amount of money on patching Because it's just a stop-get measure and not a real proactive solution But that's what we have to do because that's our financial limitations. That is that's the choice. We're going to make have to make Are there particular things you'd like to know or issues or hotspots you want to let us know about yeah If you have things in mind Lord Church Street as as one particular spot, but but I could yeah, definitely Fantastic and are you going to be coming back? You know now that? Well, I guess a couple commissioners did bring up the data aspect Is that something that we could look forward to in a future meeting? Yep Fantastic, we'll work with the chair to figure out when it's best coordinated We'll talk about our summer meeting schedule here momentarily. It may be that we'll want to wait till the fall when We're all out of summer mode, but we'll coordinate that for a prominent approximate. We I don't think it's Exceptionally critical, but if we are going to be doing any sort of data-driven analysis splitting it up And maybe into like three or four sections, but including a south end new north end and then old north end downtown court Since that seems to be where the big division in between people's perceptions About the quality of the infrastructure might be and it will be interesting to see if that Really comes out in the data or not Okay, thank you Thank you, mr. Damiani. I have no communications Skipping over to the commissioner box Okay, first I will sort of Echo engineer Baldwin's Comments around sort of like interacting with the Champlain Parkway website and signing up for their emails And if you have a question responding right to those emails, they are very responsive I sent an email on a Friday afternoon, and I got a phone call back the same afternoon. So I think sort of that Public relations aspect of it is at least from my experience of it has worked Well, so, you know, it's a good resource for people to be aware of The other thing I would be remiss not to bring up North or South Union and Pearl intersection where we had those nice little ballards for like 24 hours at the bike lane and like with after a day they were gone because Clearly a car or a driver had hit them run over them ballards were you know destroyed and South Union in which and Pearl Yeah So yeah, I think you know a Lot of us optimists were like super excited to see that there's something Right, and then I like wrote through it and I was like wow, that's new like that's exciting There's something there and then like an hour later it was gone So yeah, just I mean Yeah, I just like I said I'd be sort of remiss not to bring it up And sort of just to reiterate that we need something that cars can't run over if we want to protect people who are cycling I mean it seems like even like a taller plastic thing might help Just like I'm thinking of the pedestrian signs that like people are really good. Well, I'm not really good I shouldn't make that generalization, but I feel like people are good about sort of avoiding those and that sort of thing and It seems like it's sort of a similar like base perhaps and So yeah, I don't know if there are sort of creative ways that we can I would just note in that case You know, there's been some internal conversation about what the solution is And unfortunately because it's so tight. We believe that people aren't willfully hitting them They just it's such a tight space to accommodate the bike lane that they're just getting hit and I'm I'm you know one of the solutions that we love to have but it's not within our financial reach is really to move poles and move curb and to make it a full success and I mean we talk about quick builds. Well, we'd love doing quick builds, but quick builds shouldn't be a long-term solution to Those facilities they need to be more permanently constructed and that really takes unfortunately money significant amounts of money to be able to make those things be pulled off successfully and We are constantly looking for different technologies like you're talking about that find a way of being successful But it's been tough. Yeah Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, and that's what Norwich team is seeking to get constructed on North Champlain Street Which is a more durable separated facility. We just put it out to bed and it came back too high So we're adjusting the design a bit But we are looking at things that are more durable than what we've tried to put out and have not succeeded Yeah, so We keep looking okay, I guess sort of along those lines and this is I guess more out of curiosity but what was sort of the rationale behind putting just like The temporary ballards there just at that intersection. I mean, I'm not criticizing it at all, but you know, it was maybe You know six feet of protected what you know I don't know all the particulars of it. It's first. I've heard that they get that was put up struck I know that it's been a damaged blighted mess And particularly as you come out of winter into spring. Yeah, and so I'll find out more as now that you've raised the issue Cool And then last thing Restriping, you know of all the roads and all that is nice. Love to see it All the one area I'm concerned about is north ave and Sherman street where it curves around by the police station It seems to me as someone who drives through there and bikes through there like heading north frequently that the the center line is not completely like Curved all the way and so it's kind of shooting the northbound traffic like straight And the bike lane also sort of has this weird double stripe that sort of like goes in and then back out again It just looks really weird and it's really confusing as a roadway user. Okay, so Yeah Just take a look at it because it feels like it's sort of the way the angles are working are Not how it's supposed to be and at one point it's so narrow that like there's no way That's what the standard is for a car to like be there just because like there's a double lane for the bike lane And then the mid the center strike is sort of like this and it's just yeah It's just seems off to me. I would acknowledge that The two ever's doing the contracting is not have good good quality control Okay, and yeah, I've seen some of it around the city and I just kind of I kind of shrug and shake my head and like once it's down it's down. Yeah, but You know, there's the other examples on upper pine street where for whatever reason the center line curved. I'm just like There there's got to be more line striping contractors in this state To kind of avoid those types of quality control issues because there needs to be a more competitive market That's kind of the bottom line in my mind I don't think we'll take a look at it Manage them, but yeah Okay, so maybe it's the next spring thing we We'll take a look closely at it and see if it's if it's really kind of a Hesser that needs to be modified right so hazard. We'll attend to it this year. Okay. Cool. That's it. Thanks. Thank you Christian bar I often wondered if if the striper was swerving to miss an animal There it just went around because it it did look kind of weird Just a couple of comments one is I got a chance to meet the new public works transportation planner dating Crites met him a few times. He's come over To our neighborhood and it's an exciting time with with the the bridge reconstruction with The intersection of barrett riverside and colchester reconstruction with hopefully some money coming in I'm still buying lottery tickets for it to get the colchester avenue corridor done It's just a great time and and he's been very engaging I just wanted to put a plug in that he's come in He's set up a table when we had a block party And a bunch of people came over and started putting dots where things that he wanted to do and so It's good for him because the engagement for public works happens. It's good for us because we get to see everything So I'd really like to see a lot more of that as as we can Um, but other than that, I I'm excited. It's solstice summer solstice today. Yeah All right, please chair on the elbow All right, um, I think with Probably 98% of the stuff that you do It's really like Trying to change the tires on the bus so as you're flying down the freeway Um, so totally sympathetic to You know It's safer it's but recognizing, you know, we're asking for for for data points and um, I hope Certainly at least from my point of view That any of this information I ask is not to necessarily not to create more work for the sake of create more work But really to communicate All the work that the city is doing that this department is doing Um, you know and the thing about the striping is Jane public doesn't differentiate between the contractor and public works, right? So maybe maybe Jim and I will go into business Striping modes here. I don't know The communication on projects, um because this hit home and and maybe I had the hotline Um to mr. Goulding. I'm not even looking at you rob I'm sorry but um the contractor for the relining of The water lines has been fantastic Really, they are fantastic with a little bit of a communication issue between A parking enforcement on our street with While the contractors are there But uh, jeff came up with the solution for that right really that was This has been great those those folks are I mean, they're doing brain surgery while someone's moving around Because and you talked about The the Champlain Parkway the balance between Trying to have the workers work efficiently and effectively while Managing the disruption with the public Um and the fact that we've been able to A I have water And B. I can get in and out of my house At least once a day And that they are they're kind they're engaging I I we walk and bike mostly so Um we interact with these folks Several times a day So kudos to this team and to the water system Um and Also recycling has the only that they only didn't pick up one day in all of this This is going on since april so that the city systems continue to work While we are having major surgery. Um, so I'm I'm grateful for that One um unrelated comment from uh non-voting Transit dependent dependent on their parents for rides population Was please pave college street Yeah, um before this my daughter and her friends were like, can you just tell someone to pave college street? I'm just telling you to pave college street Because biking up it has a 14 year old is hard. Um But I didn't and I didn't this was literally just before I came here So didn't even look at the construction portal to know when college street is going to be paved, but I'll tell them it's in the queue Just go further north because it's not as steep. It's not as steep. Why not? That's all thanks a lot. I get to the same place for my life. So Pave college street. Oh gosh I can't believe you haven't done it yet All right, uh, sorry I don't I don't really have any any uh comments about public works things other than to say that I did not reapply to be on the commission for another three years Um, and I that's not because I don't love public works. I do. I'm just totally into it and but um 10 over 10 years is I think time to give somebody else a chance to be able to sit in the seat and Make comments and and it's I I really do love public works And I really loved I as I've said many times public works is the Is the the critical infrastructure that makes burlington have a civilization? Frankly, there would be no It wouldn't be civilized if we didn't have any of the things that That public works provides. So I have found I've learned a lot. I'm really really happy about how much I learned and I hopefully have Contributed things that would have been helpful and not totally annoying and I didn't get the sheep's hook all the time To to you know, not continue to ask questions that you know got lengthy So I just want to let you know make that announcement and I I look forward to seeing who else is here And I will probably be sitting at the Public comment desk when there are things that seem relevant for me to contribute. So And I I appreciate working with all these commissioners and over the years the many commissioners and the staff And cctv for recording these meetings, which I think is really an important thing And rob golden him and come on board to help with all the public Public communications, which made a big difference over time, which wasn't something that was done So that's that's where I'm at. I appreciate everybody Putting up with my various long-winded questions But I think they were all very relevant and I hope they have been helpful And I I appreciate the work that everybody's been doing and will continue to do and I'll be watching on the on the tv And I will be able to participate in all my other very busy activities I have so much going on. This is going to be really helpful to not always have to schedule my life around Wednesday once a month. It's really been a challenge So you guys get to continue to have those challenges All right, that's all I have to say Thank you. Yeah, thank you so much for yeah Saw 11 years and all of your enthusiasm and energy behalf of myself as current chair and Commissioners that came before me Yes, when we finish up the meeting tonight, we have brought some special treats here and I would welcome Time to just hang out and enjoy each other's company and thanks all day for 11 amazing years look, you know I have never once questioned that you have been Raising the tough issues in order to best serve this community. And I think you have helped us tackle the vexing policy challenges of the day And you've made our work better. So I really appreciate all of what you've brought to the table and the Thoroughness of which you've done it and you will be missed Thank you Uh with that, I will close Commissioner communications and move forward to item 10 on agenda in German and next Meeting date with the notes that We ought to Consider an alternate date. Perhaps that may work. Um, we know that uh It lies in challenging time When myself's playing so much that I'll be out of town for a chunk of July as well I believe in sort of polling Commissioner availability across july and staff availability Is well, we're not going to catch Everyone I don't think we're going to fill all commissioner seats on any given week there, but well I believe the suggestion for staff was to aim for rest of july 26 with the caveat that we do typically take One month off in the summer we can swing it traditionally August last year it was july But I think staff's recommendation here and one that I agree with is to Act like we're going to meet july 26th Wednesday if that works for you all Yeah, city engineer Baldwin will be here. I will be out but There are a couple of moving targets Related to main street gray streets and a couple other timely items. So if the commission would Try to make a meeting in july work It seemed like you had a better commission attendance for the 26th And trying to go shorter in july was just going to pinch us in terms of time and get things ready So that would be our preference if it works for you. Sure, you know the knowledge that it doesn't work for for all of us Apologize for those of us It would not be a seven seat Before maybe I think I think we'd be good for six and that's the meeting where we would five or six vote on chair vice chair It would be correct. We we know people are out in advance. We can we can coordinates beforehand So whoever's here Congratulations in advance I can make them all because I'm tired Okay, um So that's all right then then aim for the july 26th and Cancel as it gets closer. Yeah We'll double check that the rooms available and cctv is available But that seems to work best for the commission and staff and appreciate the the shift in um, usual meeting time Yeah, thanks, man. Appreciate it an hour in as well. Yeah myself in quite sure When you'll go all both unavailable on the post day the 19th, so yeah aim for a week after See what we can do With that I would welcome a motion so moved What's the motion? More specifically to adjourn to adjourn I know these things English if I've got you right to adjourn with the plan next meeting of july 26 Motion for commissioner bar. Thank you for that Second second from commissioner fox excellence. Is there any discussion around that? Right all in favor if you say aye. All right. Aye. Any post? Rights we are adjourns