 Okay, we got to get it started. Let's do it Play the music play me some pimpin man You got a very special guest in the house with us today Won't bring number legends through here Big leg number big legends coming through big legend hood legends ghetto legends. I need ghetto superstars Black excellence. That's what we own today. We know how to celebrate come on anniversary 50 years So we went and got an official legit hip hop high in there Come on back from one of my favorite cruises of all time. What the juice crew what? You already know who it is you looking at you. Oh, no, no, they did. Yes. They did. This is a real Hip hop legend man. They never seen one of the coolest brothers to ever Spit on the microphone then you might not know that we got big daddy Kane in there You got a salute bro. You got a salute bro. You got a salute. Come on, man Yes, man. Yes, yes There's a honor in the privilege to have you in here with us today Yeah, man an icon put it down made me want to chain this big Bro when y'all was playing cars in the video and you wanted to change I was like man He already got a chain on me Damn, he'll need that chain Yeah But you you always been one of the coolest man Like you always had spit your rhymes and you never fucked them up It sounds just like you was listening to the CD and you're still hitting the dances at the same time So you get another salute just for that it take a lot to wrap that shit that you wrap the way that you wrap it And not and jump in and hit the dance move. Come on, man Fall back get caught get back up Man on some hip-hop James Brown type shit With the perfect flat top That's what he's trying to do to you. Yeah, the kid came down along with the 15 seconds You see him with the little tick-tock that quick. That's all they could do come on man This man to spit a whole album and hit all that shit whole show In breath control by So Now I don't think people look at the technical aspects of love I think we too quick to like be like all the way We ain't on that no more like the young people if y'all go back in like just look and see like Yeah, you was definitely a game changer. Well, I mean, that's what it's really all about You know just really study in your craft study in your history. So you know how to Better your future You know what I was doing back then I was studying James Brown I was studying Marvin Gaye Barry White, you know several others, you know and trying to bring Elements from soul and R&B and the hip-hop that no one had seen before because it you know Pretty much everybody from the generation prior to mine Was basically I guess following what Graham is the flash and the furious five did you know the error before me would be Like the LL Houdini Run DMC, you know, they were like following what you know, Graham is the flash and furious five was doing You know type of cat stretchers three in those dudes. You don't know who the hell I'm talking about. Do you it's all good No, no, no, no, no listen, I just I just put the names I spit the names you can look The freaks come out at night What shit at least you're paying At least you're paying I'm I respect that now people always talk about how great of a lyricist you are I always wanted to ask you like who was your inspiration who? Who showed you how to rap or who did you hear rap that made you say shit? I want to do that Um back then there was a group called the cold crush brothers. I was there and and um, I Wasn't even came in I was actually using Tony T Yeah this is 82 you know and um When I first heard them and I heard this cat Grandmaster Caz, you know, and he was like um Um Grandmaster Caz captain of the four another nigga couldn't touch me if he had a rhyme store Even if he had a plant manufacturing of rhymes, they couldn't make them no better than I make minds I was like, yeah, I'm doing my shit all wrong Like and I'm like, yeah, I need to start all over because I'm not that nice and that's who really inspired me, you know, yeah Shout out to Grandmaster Caz that's kind of where you took the The bragging shit are just you know talking to shit about you being better than another Yeah, I mean Kaz his sarcasm was like that shit you hear in the barber shop or the pool hall Okay, he had that type of You know, I'm six one and a half. No good at math say rhymes to myself when I'm taking a bath Got true clientele finesse and cloud and I don't get into shit that I can't get out You know that type of you know That's that's kind of like where that kind of yeah, I think grandmaster Caz was pretty much the first All around dope emcee like To me and I'll say this repeatedly Until eternity Melly Mel is the most important emcee in hip-hop Because prior to him it was always about the DJ, you know flash and the furious Um, you know, I'm charlie chasing the code. It's always about um, it was always about the DJ and Then he would have an emcee Once Melly Mel started becoming lyrical Well, you now you're listening to what the emcee's saying He not just dip dip die and on and on and on he's actually spitting some balls You know, it's like what he patterned in 77 is pretty much what the blueprint for every emcee up until about 2013, you know when the Migos I think changed it to something different, you know, but I mean, yeah I think he's the most important emcee, but he had his one particular style Caz was that dude that just pretty much could just you know do everything great You know, he was like um lyrical when it came to the conscious stuff Lyrical came when it came to the battle stuff with lyrical when it came to girls like the first girl rhyme I mean first girl rhyme. I heard was something from him called event. Yeah, you know Yeah Yeah, let me I wanted to ask What would be your definition of a sucker emcee? That's one of my favorite phrases and if I've been all time Well, you know back then you had um you had um Sucker emcees and you had biting emcees, you know, and you had um Whack emcees, you know the whack emcee. He was the dude with the real corny rhymes that you know, nobody wanted You know the sucker emcee, you know Was the dude, you know like pretty most lots of most lots most of time has someone writing for him You know I'm saying Come on, you know and then the biting emcee was the one that was biting like a rhyme I heard you say the party. I said at another party next week That was a bite emcee Sucker emcee He know what it is. He's like Nah, I made these up Yeah, like, you know, like like a sucker emcee it could be referring to a whack emcee or it could be referring to someone They got someone writing for them. Y'all didn't respect them having a writer for them. No, but no, no That's crazy because you wrote Yeah, I wrote for the rappers. Yeah, but you got to understand But let me explain though you're talking about hip-hop, you know saying when it's a street culture, okay You know saying now we making records. Yeah, so it's a real music genre. Right and it's a difference when you like Okay, as a music genre Most people a lot of you asked a lot of people who's their favorite singer a lot of people to say Luther Vandross Damn near all his shit was written by someone else. I did learn that. You see I'm saying yeah But he still was one of the greatest vocalists, you know, so because that's we talked about the music genre Now when we talk about hip-hop on the street level. Yeah, it's like, you know Me and you battling at a party and someone else writing for you, you know, oh, yeah Yeah, you just suck em see, you know, or you you say in a rhyme. I heard him say two weeks ago All right biting em see, you know, I'm saying but it's like now. It's a hip-hop is a genre. So it's different You look at it differently now, you know, yeah Man, that's real now. You got it. You got to give me some of your favorite juice crew stories because that's that's the That's the hell of a crew. Oh man, I mean juice crew I I There's so many moments, you know watching, um, when mr. Magic get high When magic get high he the funniest person on the planet Because I mean, yeah, he curse everybody out, you know, F you you're not down no more You know, yeah, he was a yeah He like he was one of the funniest dudes on the planet and then you know, um biz You know rest in peace man, nobody beats the big y'all y'all've worked with him before right? Yeah, most definitely So, you know, it's like it's like busy type of dude where you know, you're looking at you know His features and you just see a easy win Till he starts snapping right and then you see you in for a long night because he got jokes out He got jokes below. Yeah, you know, you look at biz you be like, oh, yeah, I'm a tears ugly ass up And guess what he on you, you know, he tear you up Tell you like the frame Maybe I can't do while and now that he did like he stayed like the whole week He did like all the episodes because you know him and Nick were real cool You know, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for biz make real talk work. Yeah, like, um, yeah I started rapping in 82 and I should go around everywhere, you know battling everybody Couldn't get a record deal sent in demos even met with arm. I think it was near records You know everything to try to get a deal couldn't get on and then I end up meeting this dude That my man had been bragging about for the longest I was sick of him telling me about him. He told me do was across the street. I go and meet biz ask him for a battle After the battle, he was like, yo, you dope. You need to get down with me, man I do a lot of shows and Harlem Bronx or if you get down with me I promise you one day I'm gonna get a record deal and as soon as he got on He put me down and got me a record deal What was your reaction to that verse on vapors when he told the big daddy came story? I wrote it. Yeah But I'm saying that I know you wrote it but with the way he delivered that shit It was so, you know colorful and visual. Um, well That you know because it's like I kind of that one I kind of did in in my style a little bit You know, I had some of his elements in there, but that's kind of like Nobody beats the biz would probably be my favorite. That's good so that's that's that's biz You know Sammy, yeah, like that's biz like saying yo I want it to be like a zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka zooka That's what the fuck I got to go off Yeah, you know I'm saying but I mean, you know we we gotta, you know you know me as the BSEM Yeah, I go for what I know doing this. So it's like but it's like this is all big style This is all like, you know, I just want the stutter step down That's what he's giving me That's all just mumbling shit. No real words That's what he's telling me and now he's like yeah, and he's like it in you know Have swan sing to nobody beats the whiz but and say nobody beats the biz You know, it was like, you know like that like that one. I think was most amazing and then picking boogers You know like stuff where I know that I would never ever do for myself He taking me out of my comfort zone, you know, you know put something together for him I know I would never write a song called picking boogers But you know, yeah Yeah, so you you penning all this dope ass shit like what was your proudest moment as a writer like some shit you have create um, I think My proudest moment May of came After having a nice day with all I'm shantae because um You know me and Keres was boys, you know, we was tight and um, you know They wanted something on there taking shots at them and you know, I wrote the song for shantae And then I talked to Chris and I'm like y'all just just let you know, you know, I wrote this joint for shantae and um You know, I took some jabs at you and Scott You know But no I just gave him the heads up but when he heard it, you know, he reached out and was laughing he like yo man You know the KRS. That's what was my graph name, but I'm sitting here listening to this shantae song I'm like damn. It does sound like a wack radio station You know, he's laughing about the shit, you know, I mean, that's my dude, you know, I mean say he was laughing about it You know, that was I was like, okay, this was Keres approved. Okay, so we still cool Like Yeah, yeah, but I mean, you know, if you understand, you know while In the midst of all this here are juice crew BDP stuff that's going on with him and Shan You know this dude and his wife at the time is melody rest in peace They helped me move out of my mother's crib You know into my first apartment, you know, so, you know, we was we was tight like that. You feel me? 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That's me I don't know man, but it seems like it wasn't that many of y'all so y'all had to run in the same circles man Like almost like, you know, like the overlap is crazy. Like whoa, you know battle biz Yeah My marriage you tell me about them all the time along Allen dude It was dating my cousin all the time. That's all I'm here and all you got to hit my man biz market You know, I was a sick of him telling about this dude man and one he just said he crossed the street You know, yeah All right, I gotta ask you this cuz you know, I love some old-school cars and shit like that man Who has some of the coldest cars back in the day? Well, I mean first I got to go with Eric B because I mean, you know Eric had a rose back then in 88 Yeah, Eric had a rose Royce in 88 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what a slick I know the other Yeah Like, you know, um, you know way, you know, you you balling hard in the 300 Mercedes. Yeah. Yeah Just that's the Mike Tyson You know for us down south anything for in the round in the 80s. Oh, you're doing something But nah, but you got to stay cats was copying on cat cats was copping benzes beams Okay, they're sobs and oudies and I did but this dude pulled up in a rose in 88 Yeah Yeah, you did in a real kind of way. Yeah, I gotta ask you this cuz you know people may forget what you did do the you did the The rapper actor transition Start doing some movies and shit. Mm-hmm. Did they possibly move? Coke classic man. What was it like working on that shit? Oh man? It was great Cuz it was like I wanted people to take me serious and not, you know Look on the screen and see big daddy came so it's like when Mario is explaining it to me He's like, you know, you're a gambler from New Orleans They migrated west and you're all about the money. You don't really care about none of us but then you get an attachment to such-as-such on little Jay and You start really having respect to love for the policy. So he's explaining the role. I'm like, okay So, you know, I'm learning how to ride a horse. I got thrown about three times But I finally figured it out and you know You know Riding horses and then like since he said New Orleans, I knew I didn't have to worry about having a Western accent So I just went to um, you know spent like two weeks of my family down in all Bowman, South Carolina You know, cuz you know, that's what you hear that. What your name is So I'm down here, you know, just just just studying the language and trying to get that Southern slang down and you know You know a lot of people I think they you know, they enjoyed the role, you know That's what all I just wanted them to see me other than can't Now that was definitely, you know a cowboy, you know, you're going from a rapper to a cowboy. That's good. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, that's a big week. Why me with shit. I mean Mo D. Mo D did it in Wild West. Why not me? Yeah, yeah You was in the first black superhero to one. Oh, yeah Media man, Robert Townsend. Oh man. Yeah, they'll be trying to give it credit, man That's the first black superhero move we had that I could think of yeah I just get nervous talking about stuff like that. Well people like him because I had that blonde hair That was one of them ones Hell of a career man But correct so do you like he asked earlier you are you are you into any of the new school hip-hop or Shit like that. Are you still involved with the music at all? You still you know the urge to write a dope rhyme from time to time. Oh, yeah, you are not not entirely time Yeah, yeah, you know, it's like I With music I love to see it evolve You know, I feel like all After my heyday what happened with Nas biggie Jay-Z, you know, it's beautiful. What happened They always show you a lot of love to getting up. Yeah, that's beautiful. We're having with Jada Kiss Eminem ludicrous Ti, you know, I felt like you know, you know beautiful, you know, so I love watching it evolve Now it has a different dynamic to it, but you still have on those lyrical cats like J. Cole Kendrick Conway Benny the butcher, you know, and now you got the new ones. Oh, I'm like, um, there's some amazing sisters out there I'm Lady London sobbing the goddess Man, I can't think of this other young lady name, but she's a she's a she's a beast, too I mean, um, kaya, baby. This is this this this, you know, so I'm always watching to see how it evolves You know, it's just that I have to search harder now. Yeah, you know, because it's not, you know Getting the real lyricist don't get mainstream radio play. So I have to search for but I don't have a problem But that's how it was, you know, we came out a lot of us wasn't getting ready to play. So you had to search You know, you you you'd hear LL record a big daddy came record, you know, but you had to search to find a king son You had to you know, search to find, you know, so, you know, certain lyrical emcees There's a certain point when you heard rap you would like this shit. Yeah, what they doing with it? Yeah, yeah, yeah But I mean at the same time I'm saying This ain't it. I understand like, you know When rappers delight dropped how a lot of people felt about rap period, you know coming from, you know, um Or they here's R&B So they're like y'all ain't doing nothing but talking That ain't even y'all record y'all stole that from Sheik That's good times, you know So this shit been happening from the beginning. No, it's yeah It's like, you know, you hear something new and something different hate on you. Yeah, you know So it's like when I hear something it's like, you know, I just I just simply say, you know Well shit, I'm 55 man. This ain't for me, you know, just for the young cats let them enjoy it That's the thing So much stuff that the music that only really go crazy today is the one that they redo they have to remake music like they still remaking music to this day Well, I mean, you know Hip-hop kind of founded on that almost a little bit with the sample shit Yeah, you think well, you know, you you you you run out of fresh ideas You start remaking stuff, but I will say this to add on to what you said My emcee hero Grandmaster Kaz is a statement he made a few years ago and now I hear a whole lot of people saying it He said that hip-hop didn't invent anything. It reinvented everything You know I wanted to ask you this right when did because you were rapping in the Early stages of you know development of rap, when did it go from for you? When did it go from like the trip, you know, like the boom-bap style of the late 70s early 80s until you know The big daddy came where you flipping words and rapping fast as shit And you know I mean stretching the syllables and all this Like I don't know if your shit was effortless and it just sounded like and you just run I mean, you know, I Think they're like I was saying the 77 when Melly Mel made it lyrical That's when now all these emcees got to step their game up You know the stuff that arm, you know, DJ Hollywood love bug stars getting them cast was doing No, you got to be lyrical now It's not just about party and stuff and call on response You have to be lyrical and that's when you know you you saw the like the Grandmaster Kaz Kumo D There was another brother by the name of DLB Tito from the Phyllis for you started seeing emcees becoming more lyrical, you know But by the time our run DMC came out a few years later Um, I think the stuff started, you know going more into a party phase You know and then you had like I think like Roxanne Shantae's Roxanne Shantae Um Salt-and-pepper So it's it's the doggy fresh in the show Okay, I think that the show might have been the one that really really took it to that party, you know Like this is what we looking for some party stuff, right? You know I'm saying because the show that was like a party jam, you know, but then um, then uh 86 I believe that's when I think that's when rock Kim came out and then KRS and then right after that was me And all three of us, you know, like it was just Oh, I'm sorry Rock Kim KRS kooji rap and then me. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So y'all like the mouth rush more of the of the style switch Of that ever. Yeah, I could go with that. I wouldn't argue that I could go with that That's for right here That's hard. That's real Yeah, I gotta get me a statue built now that's here You know, we be having so many artists and stuff somebody come on. I mean every era has their uh A mouth rush matter of fact, I'm curious like full full full for you. Who would be your your mouth rush more? My top like just all around no today from your generation from my generation I gotta say two part nice Bone thug and the army as a whole Okay One more TMC TMC. Okay. Yeah, see You know, that's that's the beautiful thing about hip hop man. It's like you can get into this and Uh, gravitate to Certain artists for so many different reasons. Yeah, most of them, you know, so many different reasons I just missed back when it was When you knew when you heard somebody like you knew where they were from I missed that like we knew y'all was from up top We knew they was from over here. Like you know, it ain't like that no more. It would just sound just one one sound Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you. That's why like like West Side Gun like Griseldo Like you were talking like they got that old new york feel that you know what I'm saying? I like that Yeah, and they buffalo, right? I want to hear that control over there. Yeah, that new york shit. I like that Yeah, I wasn't always People in the south are always listening to your music always listening to new fuck with big daddy came man When you were touring this shit, did you come to the south like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, um I used to love, um Doing shows, you know, um in Atlanta Mobile Um, yeah, you did a freak knee. Huh? You do a freak knee. No, no, no He did his own freak knee Yeah, he was in You know about the ask you about the Madonna shit You know I'm about to ask you that I want to know from you. I got to hear from you This is one of my childhood dreams come come to life Well, what's your one ass? Take her on the top What you mean Who was all over Nah, um Warner brothers has sent us on a promotional tour. It was myself Madonna and color me bad and you know, we was visiting a lot of uh Or upper-class white hospitals, you know And you know the kids that was in there we the kids in intensive care, whatever They didn't really know who I was, you know, they knew who Madonna was calling me bad But they know and like Madonna was like and this is big daddy game And he's he's famous rap. Let me let me come let me hear you say ain't no and I'm just sitting there like oh Wow, Madonna know my shit. Wow. That's crazy. And then afterwards she said that she was doing a book She was like well, I'm working on this book. I would you know, like you'd be in it. I would be I would be on it and she was like, well, you know, it's gonna be new photos and I was like, well, shit even better and You know, we did it You know, I flew down to Miami and we took a bunch of photos me her and all Naomi Campbell and Nah, but it was all it was just it was just a photo shoot though. That's all Yeah, it's just nothing really extra to tell man. Yeah, that's enough What's something to tour man, like what do you remember from just touring? Like when you first set out there when you kind of knew you was you was up Because touring before you know, you got it locked in it's different than hitting that road once, you know, okay now i'm here to stay like Um, it's fun. You know, I mean the tour bus life, especially, you know, you're young and one night a tour bus life It's a lot of fun and then just the energy Because it's like, you know, I'm an artist. You're an artist. You're an artist, you're an artist, you know We gravitated, you know, we probably shooting dice getting drunk every night, right? But you know, when it's time to hit that stage, though Shit You know, we ain't cool right now. Yeah, you know, I got to have that Huh, it was the better thing like that man. Listen, let me tell you something Eric B could be at my house Thursday night And we'll be sitting there in the back room looking at our parents My father and Eric B father These dirty ass old men they out there on the couch when my pops is looking up the stairs Making sure my mom's ain't coming down telling Eric pops. Go ahead. He ordering uncle Luke videos on video jukebox So you can see some booty shake videos And me and Eric sitting there laughing at them crying laughing at these dudes, right Friday night come We got a show somewhere in Providence, Rhode Island, wherever Eric a smooth walk past my ass like he don't see me Now we just was together last night because we in that zone. We it's your time. I got to have it Eric a smooth walk past me like he don't see me with his head up You know, but that's but that's that real hip hop shit though. You know what I'm saying Yeah, man, this is a clip of you rapping on stage and the fucking mic go out Then that shit popped back on you just keep rapping that shit in the crowd went crazy Oh, well, you know, that's something that honestly that's something we used to do every night But that's you know before internet So nobody knew it was like a surprise everybody in every state that we went to But then, you know, once I seen this shit pop up on youtube, I was like, well, we gotta retire that You know, we ain't gotta retire people still you want to see that shit convention So you planned you you had been doing this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean it was like no one knew because you know, there wasn't you know You know, wasn't no social media wasn't no, you know, nobody was really on the internet like that You know It's hard It's hard man. Welcome back to the 85 sound show None other Big daddy came This is just this is beyond me right now jail here This is crazy This is unbelievable man. You got to give me one of your favorite biz marquis store I just watched you on the documentary and a great life is a great dude full of Energy and love and light man. So you got to give me one of your favorite biz store Uh I just told what like like there's so many but um, I think probably my favorite one Was one night we did a show Um, I don't know where it's latin court. It's inspired new york. Anyway, uh, we did a show and We got some girls in the limo. This is beeper day sky pages That's something It's sort of I'm just trying to keep you with us playing Nah, um his people went off He looks at his beeper and he's like Luther And the girls and I'm looking at this dude like man, don't do this man But the girls they over there like Bitch, you know luther van droves Yeah, man. He want me to beat box for him at the garden, but I don't feel like it I told him I just let him hold one of my dookie ropes and I'm just You wouldn't none of y'all wouldn't believe nothing like that if you would say that for me, right, right No, man, come on No, I'm not believing it, but I'm saying baby. I can see some girl going for it. Yeah, they they was excited They was excited. I'm just sitting there like he probably don't win and beeped his damn self and came back No, no, no, some of them beeped him, but it wasn't But you know, I'm used to biz tall tales, you know, I'm saying but I'm this is one of the nights when I'm like, yo You telling one will we're gonna get no ass at the end of the night I'm trying to convince them that we know luther van droves, man, you know Yeah, yeah But that might have been look back then you couldn't google nothing I would live yeah, you couldn't google it Are you really gonna look it up? You know what I'm saying like Hey, okay, listen see right now you're used to seeing uh Rihanna standing next to jz and stuff like that No, no Not in my area, man. You see it. Oh, you said Yeah, I fucking know, man No, they me and luther wouldn't be in the same Me and luther wasn't in the same room until I made the song with patty labelle, man Yeah, right. We had to connect the patty, right? You know, I was working for patty. No You know, no you did that serious though. Yeah, damn. Yeah, we both was patties bless plus one Me and luther. Yeah, she's a nice lady. Oh, she's amazing, man. She's Have you ever had a patty pat? No, I don't I don't I don't eat sweets, but um, she did the day I laid my vocals She cooked some vegetarian collard greens mac and cheese and some fried fish for me And brought it to the studio Patty the bell meal is oh, she's a beast in the kitchen Yeah, she's a beast in the kitchen and like when we was on tour together like I've seen her do stuff Well, like, you know, she'd get up in first class and and Going in fucking with the flight attendants, you know, I'm need to put a little hot sauce and put a hot sauce out of person Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Now I bet when you can smoke a cigarette on the plane No You know what you might pull me that one You might I didn't took two cheeks ass. So you might owe me that one You might owe me that one That's crazy, man It's these legendary pictures that come up on throwback Thursday or you getting a haircut man Yo, your shit was always tight. Who was your barber back in the day? Um, first it was my man smooth And then um, like once we started brother from out of white cough projects, um We went to high school together for a brief moment Or you know, it's my dude smooth and then like, um, once we started going on the road, um Schooled my dancer. He was nice with the clippers too. So then it ended up being him White cough. That's that's queen Brooklyn Brooklyn. Okay That's crazy Did you knew biggie person? No, I mean, um, I met biggie and um, uh The brother that was my there used to used to be my dj and the discovered biggie dj mr. C He you know, um, he put us on the phone like twice like we talked on the phone twice But I mean I didn't like we didn't really have a relationship his relationship was with mr. C But phenomenal mc man Yeah, phenomenal figure. Did you ever think the hip hop would take it this far? Absolutely Absolutely, I mean, it's like just watching the way people was bashing it, you know in the beginning It it was like the remnants of, um, rock and roll It's the same thing they said about rock and roll in the 50s and you saw what happened with that So it was like I kind of saw it the same way You know, like okay, something new and revolutionary is coming through that an older generation don't understand And It's gonna stick and it's gonna be powerful. It's the only genre that changes. I don't feel like no other genre changes When you say changes, what do you mean like the gender they pushing today? Like you really won't be nobody if you're not talking about killing Some stupid shit like that. Like it's it's to the point when you've got eight-year-old kids rapping talking about killing like clearly that's Well, I mean, you know, um Uh with rock and roll, you know, um When chuckberry and little richard never was president. I mean, you know, it started on some some party stuff And then, um, you know, it went into, um, like, um Psychedelic phase, you know talking about a lot of drugs and stuff and then it went into anti-war And then it went into heavy metal. So I mean rock and roll did a whole lot of changes, too You know, you know, and that psychedelic phase was about a lot of drugs, you know Yeah, I would rap the other day Yeah, they just went through it. They still they going to opiate phase nine. I don't know It's you crazy future talk about smoking crack I don't know if we ever gonna have a rapper that can successfully pull off that one smoke crack We didn't have them future can do it. We didn't have them That just was openly smoking crack Not openly Hell no, that ain't gonna happen. I hope not anyway Let them let that shit go Drug rap though. Well, you know, they got a lot of different genres of rap right now. You know, they got pussy rap now Did you ever think that you would see a whole genre of pussy rap? Yeah You know, I mean that ain't for my ear. I think there's a time and a place For everything, you know, um Like before hip hop You know, it'll like we had parents That would um sit in front of us clean the house playing odds with brothers the OJ's And then when we go to bed, they throw on millie jackson She's singing the curse in her ass on You know most different and then when we're not there, they might throw some dolomite on, you know dolomite maybe Party records Like dolomite you tell my dolomite. Yeah That's why he's here. That's why he's here. He needs to be I ain't going to go there, I can't see you He made what? Dolomite. You talking about dolomite? Put a kettle on my ass and call me a birthday cake. I be damned. I just be damned Nah, nah, he made party records But yeah, he he did try to sing too, but I mean he mainly party records, but um But I mean, you know, it was like all this stuff exists, you know, um, you know I just think that the difference is Like I said, that's what our parents played When we was in at went to bed or when we wasn't home, you know, um So it's the parents got to have some discretion. Whoa radio too Radio too radio got they got a job to do they got to play what they took somebody telling them what they do What they do? I don't think they get to pick the music Well, I mean, I'm not talking about the on air job I'm talking about, you know, we're running a radio station. You know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, um You know, yeah Because I mean Shit, that's how it was with us You had to we had to make we had to make a clean version You if you had some gangster stuff or some sexual stuff you had to make a clean version where you're not cursing You know what I'm saying? You're shooting a video. You got a picture of weed or guns on your shirt Now you gotta take that shit off get that out of there like my smooth operator video um You see chris rock in there You see i'll be sure in there But they completely cut kadeem hardison out Because I was on one of brothers and he had on a t-shirt. They said batman sucks And that was a one of brothers movie Yeah Yeah, and We're talking about the michael keaton batman Oh, not not the new one not the brook. Why is there no super swing but not not not with the Um, whoever's christian bail. Love was playing him now. There was there was a guy named michael keaton. Okay, that's riggo in Let's say, you know, he's lying about his age He knows some old shit Man, you had some of that. You know, he knows some old shit Now you had some of the coldest jewelry too, man. Where used to get the juries and shit from? um First of all, did you keep drinking that shit? No, no, the competition with the jury most definitely probably y'all had that shit Oh, no, like I felt like Yeah, like well, see I got to a point where it was irritating me You know, because like like, you know with the dancing stuff I come off stage. I got to have the nicks and scratches when they don't bust me in my face and stuff Yeah, so I didn't you know Yeah, he got to a point where I was like, yeah, take some of this shit out. Yeah Who had the coldest jewelry game where you like slick wreck slick wreck. Yeah, of course hands down slick wreck. Yeah Buster after him bust the rap Buster should be chomped up. I said his necklace was dumb. Yeah buster be having a buster on ghost face there They be With the uh wonder woman cuff with the eagle on it Come on man. Yeah, I don't know how that doesn't make a movie around with them, but it's Yeah, see once I started getting uncomfortable. I wasn't really thinking about it no more You know, it's like I can't move around and function in this shit, man Yeah, how many times you say you got busted every night? Every night I have a little scratch on You stuck it out That shit just iconic though, man Call the shit. Yeah Hell yeah, you were close to slick to them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was in his first video teenage love Yeah, yeah slick Rick, um very unique Rapper with an amazing voice, you know I mean Yeah, I guess he was um hip-hop version of the Beatles You know that that that that that european yeah voice that just took america by storm You know, because I mean back then there was a whole lot of rappers That tried to use that european accent to come out with records You know after slick Rick after slick Rick. Yeah. Yeah, we got to find that shit Yeah, all the field rappers who didn't do it with the accent poly dolly Polly Wally Polly Because I was gonna say y'all like Hey man slick Richard, yeah Slip-free Richard Yeah, now Rick Rick Rick Rick took the world by storm, man I mean, I mean it was like he was already a dope emcee, but that voice though Just, you know took it to a whole another level, man. Yeah You like it's almost like y'all in the opposite end. You got the deep smooth Shit, my voice was much higher than my voice like um, I think when I turn 20 My voice changed. That's when they drop. Yeah. Yeah, but slick Rick was always a little high-reg like, you know Yeah, yeah Yeah, and then you know, he had a different vocabulary. Yeah, you know, yeah, you know He got a british son. He was just talking about he does. He got a british son, man What your son said with you? Toilet. Did he quit late? Hey No, but I mean his his his his british slang was different than american slang, you know, um Where we white say, you know trash, uh, rick call you crumbs You know We say we're gonna destroy, you know, whatever he would say i'm gonna conquer you You know, he so it was like he was just so unique. His shit was like just so unique and different man. Yeah Asiatic, nobody's equal. Yes, sir. How did you come over there? Um 5% you know deal with the 5% nation, you know, that was the attribute I chose You know, well, I mean really it was just king asiatic But in the rhyme I said nobody's equal and then from that point everybody just kept saying it so Yeah, I just you know just but it's really just king asiatic But then you know when I broke down kane, I said king asiatic. Nobody's equal You broke it down like that. I just came out like that I broke it down like that Name kane is superior to many people. It means king asiatic. Nobody's equal. Yeah What was it like recording that symphony symphony? man amazing amazing because um I um I recorded raw And the night I recorded raw me and g-wrap just did a freestyle off of it And marley started playing it on the air And people started requesting it. So marley said yo, I want y'all to do this again But on my album So it was okay. Cool. So me and g-wrap was going to do a song on marley album uh Down the line Marley is like yo, I told craig That um y'all gonna do something and craig said he want to be on it too And craig just came out with this song called duck alert And I heard you know how you know how he had elevated with his lyrical skills and everything He was sounding so different and you know killing it. I was like, yeah, I'm like, I love how craig sounded right now. That's cool And then we took the pictures for the album cover And we went back to marley house. I was like, let's do the song and then marley says well, um This is my new artist master ace, you know, you know, I'm gonna put him on the song too and like ace um Ace had these big ass woody allen glasses on right and I was with the coin and I went to g-wrap. I'm like y'all I ain't fucking with glasses man. I'm out I'm gonna say I'm gonna get some pizza and then I'm bouncing and g-wrap more fucking you ain't leaving me I'm out too So we were talking and then they started talking about um, who gonna go first and who gonna go last and they started that conversation And we like we get the fire here and then ace just says, you know, he's kill go or whatever, you know and ace went and we heard him and I'll back over the g-wrap. I'm like Yo glasses nice as fuck Yo, I like this dude, you know, you know, and he like, yeah, yeah, yeah, then we stayed and we made the song happen That's what's history. Yeah He had to go in there, but he probably felt it too like let me just go in here And rip this shit so these niggas believe in me. I ace bodied that shit Ace let me tell you something about ace Ace mindset Way of thinking His vision I wish he would have got down with the juice crew Back in 86 When I first started running on I wish ace would have got down then I think that If ace would have got down then the juice crew would have probably lasted another 10 years Because his mindset wasn't on just Ace being a celebrity his mindset was on juice crew as a whole He was thinking, you know, like, you know, what we could do together Who could pay up with like his mind? Yeah, his mindset was somewhere else Like, you know, he was thinking like a record company executive, you know, yeah Man, what was your first response when you saw young gas rocks and shantae rocking the mic like that? It's like I'm hearing these songs man, and then biz tells me he's going to power play um To record a song with shantae. I'm like shit. I want to come I want to see and we get there And he's beatboxing And she's you know, I'm shantae and rap so she's rhyming And fly tied into the owner label. He stopped her about something Told her she didn't do this or something. I don't know what it was To it again So she goes again I'm like, okay, am I tripping or that's something different They stopped her again Told her go again And now I'm like, no, I ain't tripping. These ain't the same rhymes. I'm like every take she's saying something different So I lean over the biz. I'm like, yo She's not gonna say the um, this is she was saying the first The shantae don't write no rhymes all that shit is off the head I'm like everything. He's like everything I'm like, what about the other fucking records like rock the intervention, you know He's like everything I'm sitting there blowing away now like oh Shit So she's just going in the studio just off the dome just you know Nothing is written He's God I'm like, oh shit Like I was blown away. Like, you know, like, you know all these songs that we've been listening to all this time She's just going in freestyle. Yeah So rappers been not writing But that I said rappers been not writing but like she really freestyling that shit. That's crazy Yeah, I don't know about other cats, you know, um, but I mean her yeah Yeah, that's why yeah Yeah, matter of fact the to have a nice day joint Uh That I wrote for her is her first written song All the other hits was her just off the dome And so they wrapping that bit she just wrapped that she had started to finish Start to finish And if if she fucked up she'll just start with a whole new round But just cold they had a punching game baby. No punch. I know they couldn't they couldn't well I mean, it's like Punching for what she don't remember what the fuck she just said a minute ago. Right. So she just go again from the time Right. Yeah. Yeah, shawntay. That's hard. Yeah shawntay a beast. That's hard shawntay is a beast I ain't heard them for that's real. That's crazy. Let me tell you something about scenes by shawntay This girl I don't know 15 16 something like that Walking into a room And you see grown ass men Don't want no smoke with her like grown ass men just Get up walk out Because you never know what she's gonna do. Right You know if she pop off and decided no, we're gonna battle right now I Ruddish, you know Man you've been all over the world. I saw a clip of you performing in Russia. Yeah, you're doing over there, man Stinking They're rushing to fuck with you the long way over there, man. I was over there stinking Because we got there Two days late We got there the actual day of the show And I had been on different flights from America to London from London to Moscow Moscow to Petersburg So we just getting there and got to go straight to the venue and perform so Two days straight same drawers Kept it to myself So, yeah, that's what I was your favorite spot internationally Um, internationally either London or Amsterdam like The energy is so crazy over there. Then also they they they so They're so deeper to the history Like all the all the all the all the b-sides the out, you know album cuts They know they want to hear all that shit Not just the whole album. Yeah Yeah, they want to hear all and they're gonna sing it with you. Yeah Yeah, and they studied like everything on the back of that album cover Whatever little hip-hop facts, whatever they know that like homework, man, and they got questions Yeah, yeah Be the perfect time to bring my boy up in here. I was watching the documentary the other night Um about biz he was a hell of a collector So I feel like I gotta introduce you to my partner. That's a hell of a collector the hip-hop historian none other than new face He got all the shit new face And I know he got some Yeah, what's up, baby Yeah What you what you bring tonight larry And recently this year, man, I've probably seen came about four times this year. I just seen you on the rock the bells boat We just on that rock the bells boat, man You killed it gave those people on that boat a phenomenal show and you was like your leg hurt, but I'm gonna give you Yeah, my leg was telling me man with the crazy dude ran on steak all you did Oh, you're my almond. Um, was it London London? Yeah. Yeah Well that's so what we got here is you know, he talks about this gentleman right here That's Kane right there. I would love for you to autograph this but you know inside there. We got You jump right here on the inside No, I mean on the front or the back. Okay We also have Look at that top notch fine lady. Hey, he got your car. Oh the MTV joints. Yeah There's buddies right there because you wrote some on there He brought it. I mean, I knew you had that shit. You talk about the infamous one of my favorite haircuts Hold on. You got it Talking about this one right there. That's it right there. We got it Yeah, yeah Yeah, that's the day that's the day we recorded the symphony word Yeah, we took the pictures from Marley's album cover and then left and went to his crib And when they say glasses, it's cold. He's talking about the gentleman Let's go. No, show them the glasses The glass is bigger here. Hey, I'm sorry. I'm sorry Big ass Bobby won't make that got them big ass Bobby won't make glasses on Man, what made you go with the full finger gold rings? That's some that's some hard shit Oh, you know, you know, you know the old brass knuckles look Yeah Then you're actually featured in this book You made with LL Puget the streets win I heard about it. I haven't seen the remember I have a copy Wow Wow And the Jeanette Beckman joint My favorite Rolling Stones Top 50 hip-hop songs of all time. They register this is number 25 What's the story behind now? Behind that ain't no half step um interesting, um I went to cool v house. That's biz DJ And biz had a bag of 45s on the floor So we looking through them and I found that blind alley beat from the emotions I'm like, you know, your v and he like, you know, that's biz shit, man I'm like, come on. Let's just vibe on it So he, um, looped it up Like the mix of the musical loop I mean, for example, he looped it up and I'm rhyming I'm like, yeah, I gotta touch this and I'm writing to it And then biz calls the house Screaming losing his mind. I found it. I found it. I finally found it I'm telling you we going platinum now We're gonna I'm gonna I found it. I found the record I was looking for And I'm like, um, he's a guest man He's like, I'm telling you I'm going platinum. I was like, so then That mean you probably don't even really care about this blind alley record for me. You can have that shit Like my man And he gave me biz gave me the beat for ain't no half stepping And the beat that he had been looking for for about almost two years that he finally found Was the you got what I need Yes, a friend that was a man Yeah, now he had been saying that listen he had been saying that he When when he found this I guarantee I'm going platinum So wait a minute. He was really looking for the physical record Freddie scott you got what I need. So he knew the song from like radio or shit I think he said he saw it bam by the house or something. I can't remember what he said But he was been looking for it, but couldn't didn't know the name So when he came back to the house And he's playing it I'm like Because I remember him going to record stores. Look what he was like, yo, it's this song It got in the melody is like And I'm like your biz You would be sitting there singing And then koofie just started laughing and is like, you know, it's dumb ass forgot how he'd go So for years, he was singing it wrong. That's why he couldn't find it Damn, you know, so how did he eventually find it? I don't know. I don't know. I mean me if he was together He was by himself. So I don't know how he found it He stumbled upon that. He takes his for granted, bro. That's crazy Yeah, but I mean he said when he find it, he going platinum and you damn if he didn't like you said He gave you this record. What was the process in and getting the record though, you know, I'm saying like Generally, did you just be at the crib? He was like, bro. I'm fucking with that. I can have that Well, back then at that point in time period, you take it to Marley crib Um, tell them what part, you know, loop this part up here. Boom. Boom. Boom You know, I put this on and then we, you know, go in the booth and lay the vote That's crazy. Most recently, um, Nas, um, honored, um Scarface and Rockham, um, awarded them $250,000 of honor them. Um, were you aware of that? Yeah, yeah, I thought that was beautiful. So if they asked Kane Next year, we want to do that same thing with four MCs. Who would you pick the person if they asked you Would you pick the next year's honor? Melly Mel, grandmaster Kaz, uh Kumo D And uh DJ Hollywood I want to ask this for my own personal record. I call new face all the time and we talk hip-hop man Give me give me five old school hip-hop songs to listen to Little known your favorites, whatever the fuck just give me five like, um Kujirap poison, okay Keep this list new face. Yeah kujirap poison um Divine force holy war Okay That's what ghost got that party party quickly that body Okay. Um, yeah, um Get divine force holy war um Chubb rock caught up. Okay Chuck Burby's go crazy. Just the two of us. That was my shit. Yeah. No, that caught up though like I like So the tape pop. Yeah I don't know how many cassette tapes I pop listening to caught up Word his voice too. He was another with the dark voice like I love like your voice Guru had another voice jaded his freeway like those are like the best of season had that distinct voice like That always helped the record MC like 10% this okay Yeah, MC like 10% this and uh-oh Um grandmaster Kaz get down grandmaster. Okay when he did a solo song. Yeah You got to know about all that I thought he was gonna say the shit ain't heard yet No, that's a good list, man. I'm gonna check them out Yeah Most definitely your verse man on it. I mean, I've seen somebody after rock the bells Both bring it up man with big L You know, I was it how did that come about and maybe you can just let them know You know speak that verse, but how did that come about reaching out? You know that being a part of that song um I was at my lawyer's office And he was on the phone um with um Primo's lawyer And um another gentleman by the name of my caron. He just informed me that he was on that call as well But um, they was working out um legal matters with somebody else that was on the big L album And then my lawyer was like Y'all need to have kane on there And then like well just one of them said to primo yo Theo said, you know, y'all need to have kane on him for me. I was like, yo, we're kane that He's he's here. Yo, tell them to come to dnd now And I just you know went over there and we did it Yeah What's your process man putting putting these rhymes together It definitely how you get in that mode I mean it differs, you know, sometimes, you know, you hear a track and it's like Okay, I could ride this like that You know, okay Sometimes, you know, it might be some some shit that I wrote just in the crib just chillin And I hear beating is like You know that what you call it rhyme could work on here You know that what you call it. Yeah, you know, so it differs, you know, sometimes I would write to the track And sometimes I have stuff and then I'll be like No, too slow Then you hear something else. Oh, you had to work on this Well Um Buster told me that he wanted to use the just rhyming with this joint and you know Flip it, you know, you know, he was like, you know Put your shit to it Like all right, so I um, I put the verse to it And then he hit me and was like, yo, um flex played it Conway heard it and he want to put a verse to it I'm like, oh, I'm like, yo, tell tell dude. I'm a fan man. Yeah. Yeah And then Conway put his verse to it and we shot a video. Yeah And lastly the one thing I want to ask the older emcee is like self-destruction That right Famous song and now we living in times of drugs and violence is that all town high If you were able to put like a self-destruction of this version a generation like 2024 Maybe three emcees you would want to put on there Self-destruction 2024 Definitely For one I would definitely want, um One of the migos You know do the circumstances. I would definitely want one of the migos on here um little baby Kendrick Kendrick, I think he's amazing at those type of issues when it comes to like approaching those type You know, uh, yeah Kendrick Those would be three Yeah I think that you know, um hearing One of the migos on on on a song like that would be very heartfelt You know and then um with little baby like um I came in with a song like my my my son listens to him and something that he was playing like a white song was digging in black and white I can't don't don't make a picture But it was something my son was playing with little baby and like he was flowing like I was like, oh I was like do come run run. I'm like, oh, okay I'm like wow. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, yeah Thank you as an honor and I appreciate another aspect of your show of b-boy top man This aspect of that because that brother will on the head this every time I think that's like my other my favorite part for sass and I'm coming to bring you to cope But when he come and do his one two and you let your dj rock Yeah, and that was monumental because even on that rock the bells cruise EPMD had you know dta, but then they brought dj scratch Yeah, I heard the dude scratch the wood. So what you're saying? Yeah, that's that's beautiful We was on there with you know, it's the older folk, but then they like big daddy chain next I'm thinking the room was gonna empty man I'm saying people stayed in that same room and watched you when you gave them a hell of a show, man So All right, no What the hell you think the room was gonna empty Bro, you know Cold chilling records It's a hard ass name, bro. That's gonna be one for the books What do you think when you hear cold chilling record? You know, that was like, you know, one of those slang words from back that back in the day Yo, I'm cold chilling. Yeah, and do it just like that too. You ain't lying That's exactly how we do it Man, I can I can ask you questions all day, man. This is this is crazy, man Don't hey, this gotta be part. Well, you gotta come back come back, bro You gotta come back any time man any time man. I enjoy whenever you in or around the city, bro I don't give a damn if you wake up and remember some shit. Call me. Oh, yeah, another thing I forgot to tell you about this Well, man, it's been an honor and a privilege man anything you want to leave him with before we wrap this up social media anything Nah, man, I'll all I want to say is that, you know, um, I appreciate Everybody, um, keeping hip hop alive and I hope you continue to do that And please remember that, you know, everybody's entitled To their own opinion, you know, people can post a top five the top 10 But you know, everybody's entitled to like who they want to like and I think that's one of the beautiful things about music Having the ability to have different artists that can touch your soul, you know and um touch different emotions You know, so I mean, I don't think there's no wrong on the right top five. It's just yours. Mine is hers You know And um, oh and also keep your eyes out for my um hip hop documentary paragraphs. I manifest Which you know features of course myself, um Jay-z j Cole snoop dog common m&m Lady london goods the animal a verb Ah And others when we're watching that battle rap battle rap. Huh? You've been watching that battle Well, it's about lyrics. It's about lyrics, you know, so I you know, we had a chance to sit and talk about Battle rap today versus battle rap, you know back in the days Right in all that stuff, you know the difference. Yeah. Yeah I gotta see this. What's it? What where we can get where can we catch it? Oh, well, we're in the editing process right now. All right. Yeah Well, shit when you drop it come back Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you gotta get you around the table. I know you see we got everybody who doesn't stop to do that Through the trap and then blesses man. We got find you a spot and go crazy Yeah, you see, okay. I'm good right here. Thanks, bro Oh, okay bad bad. Okay bad Guys now it's official We got nothing more legends stopping through the trap. You see the type of shows that we have and over here You ain't bringing legends through your show Cut it out. 85 South shows Thank you, fam