 Grandmaster Sasi Kiran scored a convincing victory in round four of the Gibraltar Masters with the Black Pieces. He joins us in our studio. Sasi, a very interesting game and a nice win with the Black Pieces. How much of it was preparation? Well, she had already played this game until Queenie 7 against Max Urlou in 2018. I felt Black had a complex position and probably C equal, so I kind of repeated it. I was actually surprised that she actually went for this position because the computer was showing it's just equal and then the game goes on. And with a lot of pieces on board, I thought it was quite a good way to get a game. And that's what you did. And this was a very interesting moment because you took a while here before you played Rook C6. What was your thought process because it is with the idea to sacrifice the exchange in the next move? I guess so, because once I give the exchange, I have one-point compensation and then Knight is jumping to B6 and probably the other Knight is coming to E5. I was not exactly completely sure but it looked quite nice at the board. I mean, I thought maybe just Knight C3 was quite possible to do this but anyway I was going to play Knight B6 and then Bishop D6 and then it's simply, I mean, it's probably reaching more or less the same position and takes Knight of D7, followed by Kingie 7 and Bishop D4 and so on. And after this, I thought I had quite good compensation although I misplayed the position somewhere. Before we go forward, I have to ask you about this position a little more. Did you always think about sacrificing the exchange for Bishop D6? Was this something that came naturally to you that you have to fight for the initiative this way or how were you justifying this material? Well, okay, I mean, I had taken the pawn on C4 so it's obvious that my pawn structure is too bad and I have to make some concrete ideas. I was even thinking about going Castle and then giving for this Rook. You wanted to give one of your... But then I thought maybe after the exchange of queens, my King would be a better place in the center so I decided to give this one. That's a very interesting point that you actually preemptively thought that it would go into an ending and you wanted your King to be centralized already. Alright, and after this, how did it continue? At what point did you feel that the position for White Galax? Because even after you gave the exchange, the game goes on, you have some initiative but it's still compensation. I think here somewhere I probably misplayed the position somehow. After Rb1, I should instead of going Bishop b5, I should just go f6 first so that the knight goes to h3. Because in the game, I allowed f4 and knight f3 and the knight was actually coming quite fast with the game. So this was quite an obvious improvement. And here after Rb1, I think maybe I should probably just go Rb4 and it looked quite nice. And she probably had to play some more like knight d1 and somehow I still did not feel there was a tier win. But maybe it's just Bishop b5, something like this and it's a lot of pressure. And you can always play f6 as well. So knight d3 is one of the ideas. I mean it's very good compensation but I was not able to find a clear win. But here after this position, f4, knight d3, knight f3, knight b4, I mean here after Nf5, I thought actually she had equalized. After Rd8, probably just knight takes c4 here. I mean we should take c1, Rc1, I don't know, it doesn't look so promising as it was before. Rd4, yeah probably Rd4 and maybe some initiative. But I mean the position before was much more appealing to me. And then when did it collapse for her? Was it at this moment after Rc4? After Rc4 I think it's probably gone because the other Rook is entering. And after Rd2 I think it's probably already gone because the spawn on g3 is quite weak. And knight c2 is coming so she had to take Rb4 I guess. And after this just all the kingside pawns are falling. In fact in the end she fell into a trap, yeah. We can just do it like this. Bishop c4, bishop c2 was kind of a trap because I thought she had to go Rf1 and then I just take on g3. But then knight c1, bishop b1 and knight g2, bishop b4 is just Zubzwang, yeah this piece is lost. The knight is trapped there. But tell me one thing Sashi, when you gave the exchange after that at any point did you doubt your compensation? Or were you always very doubtful? Not really, I never doubted my compensation because all my pieces were playing and it was quite... And knight on g5 was stuck so it was not really... Actually the dark square bishop was very strong. Alright and how do you feel about your performance so far? Well I would say the games are shaky but still a long way to go. It's not even half way so I hope to improve. And tell us a little bit about the experience of playing in Gibraltar? This is probably my fourth visit to the Gibraltar and the playing conditions are quite nice. And I'm happy that there's a lot of Indian food available and in general I think it's quite nice to play in Gibraltar. And you're here with your wife, with Radhika? Yes and well actually we planned to visit quite earlier and we only managed to visit only now, I mean together. So it's a first, I hope it's not the last year. We do as well, well have a great time here and we look forward to more such games and to have you back in our studio. Thank you Sashi for your time.