 Seeing the presence of the quorum, I'm going to call this meeting of GOL to order. It is December 1, and it is 1033 in the morning. First, I'm just going to- well, let me just read our instructions first. Pursuant to Chapter 20 of Acts- of the Acts of 2021, this meeting will be conducted by a remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting, may do so via Zoom or by telephone, and I will provide instructions for that. If needed, no personal attendance of members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time by technological means. I'm just going to make sure that everyone can hear and be heard. So Darcy. Yes. And Nandi. Present. And Pat has said she will not be here, and Sarah has not responded to my e-mails, so I will wait and see, but I don't know if she's attending or not. So I'm going to put up the agenda, and I'll just... Oh, that's nice. Oh, there it is. Thank you. Okay. Let's do this. So hopefully you can see that. We're going to begin with human rights decoration. Nandi has had a chance to look at it. Thank you very much, Nandi. And we're going to take a quick look at that. Hopefully we can get that out the door. Then I have a couple of reports that are going out under our name as a committee. I just wanted you, hopefully you had a chance to look at it. We'll look at them briefly, hopefully quickly, make sure you're okay with the format and with one or two quick questions I have that I hopefully can be answered. The main issue today is the item number six, review town manager goals for 2022. I've gotten emails from Darcy. I got something from Lynn and also who else? I think that's it at the moment. And also comments from Paul that I'll be sharing with you. And hopefully we can bang that out and then we have some minutes to look at. And I have nothing unanticipated that I'm aware of. Okay. All right, I'm going to put that aside. And I'm going to put up the human rights declaration and let's take a look at it. Mandy, I agree with you. I don't know how, hopefully this was not the one that we actually sent out to the public, but maybe it was early in the year. I don't know what happened. So we're going to take a look at this. Okay. Can everybody see that? Is that okay? Council sponsor, Councilor Haneke, Community Sponsors, Human Rights Commission. Mandy has inserted ands, which were not in the original document that we were working with in section two. Whereas in 2016, the United Nations called on everyone to stand up for someone's rights on human rights day. And residents of Amherst have expressed their belief in. Okay. Those were capitals to lower cases. Okay. Okay. Thank you. In 2009, again, same thing, and missing type of error. Yeah, that was two separate sentences. So I just turned it into one. One. Okay, let's just look at it. By using a semicolon instead of a period. Thank you. Town meeting, apparently it was just that town has also adopted. It said meeting was not capitalized. Okay. Thank you. I can't, yeah, I should. Let me just see if I can open this a bit. I can see the comments. Okay. So the only major change that seems Mandy is the now therefore clause. Yeah. So right before that, the last whereas was two sentences. And the, well, it was actually three sentences. It's actually still two. I just missed one. The last whereas we should put a semicolon before, after them and before they and change it into one sentence. Let me see if I can do that. Though they bind us together as a global community, we could just turn into a semicolon in a lowercase t. Okay. And for a second, let me just get this. But after, after that, so the last whereas was four sentences. And instead of creating lots of whereas is the last sentences were as a town council, we have always embraced every opportunity to reflect and embody these values in our work for the community. We do so again today. And so I just tried to incorporate that into the now therefore. Okay. The Amherst town council by proclaiming December 10, 2021 human rights day encourages our community to embrace every opportunity to reflect and embody the values of the university and declares human rights. And the work of the community and urges Amherst residents to celebrate this day with the community reading declares human rights. And we're again, we're assuming this is the right time and place. Yeah. It's always been on December 10th. I feel like some years it's 4 p.m. and some years it's 6 p.m. So we'll need to check with Jennifer Moisten. I just checked the town calendar. It's not on there yet. So... We'll have to check. All right. And where's the editing needed in the whereas clause? The second whereas clause? The last whereas clause. Yeah. The very... Right. All the way down. Right there. I just put a semicolon and then turn the capital day into a lowercase day. So it's one sentence, technically. Yep. Anything else? All right. So seeing no other comments. And again, Mandy, thank you for taking the time to do this. I am going to make a motion to declare the Human Rights Day Proclamation of 2021 to be clear, consistent and actionable. I'll second. So we have a motion and second. I'm going to go right to a vote. Start with Darcy. Yes. Now, Mandy. Yes. And the chair is a yes. So the vote is three in favor, not opposed and two absent. Let me just save this. And let me put it up sharing. And let me put it away for the moment. All right. Next item on our agenda are a number of items in the folder related to, I think I'm going to start, according to the agenda, I'm going to start with the disposition of bylaws. I'm going to start with our committee report. Let me just find it. Okay. Enough carryover. Yep. There it is. All right. Take a look at it. So this is the report to the council on the bylaws for future consideration, 12 621. I'm planning to send it to Athena. You're not sharing it to the screen if you were intending to. No, I am. Okay. So I still can make changes to this document, obviously. And it's due for the council packet in December 6th. So I have a day or two, I can play with it if I need to. But I'm hoping that it's in finished form. I have one or two places that I have questions, but essentially the format has brief introduction. Maybe you should all read that to make sure that you're okay with it. Suggestion was made that we should note that we had some difficulty getting relevant committees and department heads to weigh in. And it's just an observation. It's not a complaint, but simply noting that. And it's our, and the recommendation is the council should prioritize which bylaws among those being carried over, they want GOL actively working on. I'm a little dubious that that will actually happen. I think GOL will just get this document and start tagging and hacking away at it. But I think it's a good idea. I never, I don't remember whatever happened to the condominium and cooperative conversion. I just don't remember. I could reach out to- I don't think we did anything with it. No, we didn't do anything. And Kathy was somehow interested in it, but it was actually part of the actual referral, which is why it's here. So I'm just going to leave it that way. And if somebody is concerned about it, I guess they can speak up. I can reach out to Kathy, but we never dealt with it. So the way it is, I went through every single bylaw. I think there were 28 or 29. Ultimately, I think there was one or two that were doubly referenced twice. But with each one, brief, very brief background, mostly taken from our table that we were working with, and then the recommendation. George, before you scroll off of that page, I had one change on that page. Okay. Which is under bylaw 2.4, the recommendation. You referred to the human relations director. It's the human resources director. Right, okay. Human resources, okay. And we did, so that was housing trust. Again, our recommendation. Some of these we voted on most of them. We did not. Okay. So this is the format. I don't think, I've asked people to look at this in advance. I don't want to go through the whole thing again. If people had to have a chance and they do wish to check it because it is under your name, not just mine. I can still take comments, but I would like to get this off to Athena. No later than tomorrow, preferably today, but I can certainly weigh today. You want my short comments now as you scroll through? The, one other option is to send it to me and I can just put them in, but probably wise for us to, why don't we just go through them quickly? Yeah. So as we go through this, you just stop and we will comment or you make your suggestions. So on this page, is there anything? No, my next one's on page three under nuisance house. Okay, nuisance house background here. Go ahead. In the recommendation, the last sentence you say, GOL needs to decide whether this review is appropriate to occur at GOL or refer to, I recommend saying the town council needs to decide. This review is appropriate to current GOL needs to be referred to a separate town council committee. Thank you very much. Anything else here? Nope. Okay. All right. Next page, page four. The next page bylaws 2.4 and 3.3 personnel and human rights. No, it's on page four. Yep. Well, for you, it's port four and five. You see 2.4 personnel. I just thought of reference to the, that was one of the first things that was listed on page one too. So just a reference to see above for additional items on this bylaw. Okay. Somewhere in there. All right. Background. Further bylaw. Because it's now listed twice. Right. Because they were slightly different issues. Right. You feel like it should be cross referenced. I would just cross reference it. Okay. So that they know we know there's two issues. Right. I did it right in the title. For personnel. And then in parentheses just wrote see above for additional items on this bylaw. Okay. And the same for the next one, human rights and human rights commission. I know. All right. Hang on for a second. I have a way to solve this problem. Nope, I didn't work. Okay. All right. Hang on. Oh, that's okay. I'm gonna leave it that way. Okay. All right. So it looks like you didn't know what WRT. I have no idea what WRT meant. With respect to. Okay. Thank you. I knew someone would know. To the language. And again, Darcy just for the sake, this is largely taken from the, almost always taken from the table that we were using over the many, many months where people were, and that was based on the original bylaw review committee document. So there's a couple of documents where this was coming from. Okay. Anything else on this page? The next ones are on page six with jumped vehicles. Okay. Open burning. I would like to, I'm trying to do this. Yep. Not that it makes it probably won't work. Okay. Anyway, open burning. Yep. Junked vehicles. Oh, sorry. Junked vehicles. Yes. Recommendation. I've sent this to Pat too, because she, I think it was her comments that we're looking at, right? I feel like, so I think no council action, this one, and then there's a recreational vehicles or something that's later on that I recommend putting right next to jumped vehicles or including together, like you did with the very first personnel and human rights when they were the same. Cause I think your background is exactly the same on both. And I wondered if the recommendation is not just no council action, but something like I had, my wording was, although if the council desires to clarify the wording, it should refer to the appropriate town council committee for substantive discussion and recommendations. Okay. Your original thought and mine was that she, I mean, the chief had made, I mean, here he makes some suggestions, but there, you know, so your suggestion is no council action at this time. Oh, okay. What did I just do? Okay. I think you deleted the whole thing. No, you didn't. Okay. All right. Sorry, sorry. Okay. Let's get this right. So no council action at this time. At this time. Yeah. And then something like if the council desires or wants to clarify the wording, it should refer to the appropriate town council committee. In the paragraph, the first paragraph and background there. Yep. Underlined it's just get rid of the apostrophe. Oh, thank you. That's correct. It's use. Okay. Good. Tax increment financing. Yep. We just need to update some wording. The while we thought rescinding might be an option, the current proposal for responsible employer, it's now the new bylaw for responsible employer or the new responsible employer bylaw. The new, I'm just getting rid of the new bylaw. For responsible employer bylaw, thank you. We just, we had done it when it hadn't been adopted yet. Thank you. I can never decide whether to capitalise bylaw and based on capitalising wherever I see it. I just gave up. I'm sure I missed a few. Anything else here? Nope. I'm down to regulation of signs, which is page eight for me was my next comment. They're starting with firearms. Okay. Again, I'll go back through this and check it one last time. But okay. This is page eight. Whoops. You're there. That one. Oh wait, no. Regulation of signs is right above Snow and Ice. That one. The question I had on regulation of signs, the recommendation was to carry it over to the next legislative session. Most of the sign stuff is in the zoning bylaw. So I wondered if instead of carrying it over for council, given all of the comments about legalities and all, if we wanted to recommend referral to the town manager and subsequently like the planning department and town attorney or something. So this one, okay, I can note, this one would come out of the other document. Of carryover and move to referral to town manager. I don't think regulation of signs is something this councillors can take care of without, I think it needs written by- Yep, yep. An attorney and the planning department. So language I've been using, I'm sorry, well, we'll just make it up here. So recommend. So delete the whole that and let's see if I can find one. Where's the language I've been using? Or we could just get rid of, I mean- So the language is referral to the town manager for review by. So we recommend or, yeah, what have we been using? The language is, we've been using referral to the town manager for review by and then whatever committees it is. So, and just take it all out then. Yeah. And I'd recommend town attorney and planning department. For further, what do we say for further action? Oh, for review and post-election, no, what do we say? It's just for review by a town attorney and planning department. That's it, thank you. So I need to note that put into referral. Okay, I'll make that change. We may make it this morning if we have time, but I'd like to get through this. Okay, anything else? One last one, the use of recreational vehicles. That one, since the language is pretty much exactly the same as the one for junked vehicles, I would just combine them, move RV ones up to junked vehicles and just deal with them sort of. Right, the recommendation for, so we want to move 3.43 to- To write after junked vehicles in the document. Okay, let's do that now. Because it's the same quote from the chief and- Well, let's find junked vehicles. Page six, right there. Okay, so you're thinking, could they just combine all three, we've just combined- That's what I was thinking, bylaw 3.42 junked vehicles and bylaw 3.43 use of recreational vehicles near residences. Shortens the whole document by a half a page that way. Right. Okay, so, and we're not changing the recommendation. Yeah, for either one. Okay. That was all I had. You did a great job, George. Well, thank you for your help. All right, good. So this is, I'm not going to vote on this unless people insist. I just wanted people to see it. The other thing I was going to append a memo that Mandy had sent on March 3rd, 2021, just for the sake of whoever gets this as a way of providing information. And then also the summary of bylaw disposition, which we're going to look at in a second, which is just like a sort of a table of contents. And, Mandy, you don't know of a way to just take a document and attach it. What I ended up doing is having to copy the document and then just paste it in. That's the only way I know how to do this. So these exist as separate documents. And I'm wondering if there's a way simply to quote unquote attach it to this. But I think, any thoughts on that? I always just do it after I convert everything to PDF. So OK, yeah, I don't copy paste with a section break would work just as fine. All right, I'm going to save this. I'm going to put it up and stop sharing. And I'm going to put it aside. The next document quickly is the summary. Is it the summary? Let me see what we got here. Carry over measures that. Yes, we do want to look at that. And I think we've just decided to take 3.34 out. So let's take a look at that. And I have one addition. Good, let me just get it up first. I got to find it here. Someday when I'm 110, I'll know how to use a computer. Come on. All right, well, OK. I don't want that. Chair duties, summary of doubts, fishing to report. Maybe this is it. Yep, I keep sorry about that. So let me put this up on the screen. This is something Lynn actually wants today. And I hope to send it to her after we're done. So let's take a look at it. Here I crib shamelessly from counselor Ross, who created a similar document for TSO. Darcy, you may say this looks very similar because it is pretty much copied from him, at least the format. So we introduced it simply listing the four categories. And and I don't believe we have anything under eight, nine or eight, nine A and B. So that's where I want to add something for one. Which one for now automatically add automatic carryover. Is the solar moratorium proposed article zoning by law article 16 moratorium on it's got too long of a name, but the solar moratorium. OK, so that's been formally referred to GOL for its, you know, clarity, consistency and action ability review that won't happen till the new council comes in. So I can fudge that I can get the wording on this. But basically, essentially, it's we just want to list the name of the bylaw. Yeah, proposed article 16 temp moratorium, temporary moratorium on. And the title of that is really long. And so I will have to find that title. That's fine. You can find that title. I can email it to you. But I will fix the indentation later. So we do have that article that's going to be automatically carried over. OK, dot, dot, dot. And nothing for eight A and B. And now these are filing bylaws and refer to GIL's bylaws for consideration. But if that goes through them, so background. So these contain all right. And table bylaws, very short dates. OK. OK. And we took out. We said we took out three point three four. And so that's coming out. And everything else is. OK. And all right. And I will make that change. OK, good. So that's it. And then we have no items that should not be carried over. And so it's just that's that. OK, let me save this again. Let me stop. Let me save it first and stop sharing. Move it over into the side. All right. Next. I think the summary document is something it's just it's an insider document. So I'm not going to worry. I'll take care of that. I just wanted quickly to look at the chair duties very quickly. I don't know that anyone has any concerns, but this again is an internal document. It doesn't go to the council, but it does go. I think a version of it's already in on SharePoint, but I'm going to make sure that this replaces it. And the only again, this can be changed at any point between now and the time when we finally close up shop for good. But so if you have a chance and you want to check it out just to make sure I haven't missed anything, but I haven't worded anything in incorrect fashion. But what I tried to do is lay out this dust from my memory. What did you have chairs required to do? It's it's OK. So did anybody have any particular thoughts on this or concerns? Is anything missing? If not, I just wanted you to see it and you can get me comments at any point. But if I don't hear from anybody, this is what it's going to be. It looks good. Yeah, please, Darcy, go ahead. I just have a quick question that's somewhat related. Is I'm assuming that the SharePoint of all the committees is just going to carry over as kind of an archive of the first legislative session. Right, if the theme is present on this, but my assumption is yes, that is, they would carry over. And I think any thoughts on that? Unless you want to advise us otherwise, we would just I mean, it's it's sort of up to the committee how they want to organize their documents. I wouldn't create a new SharePoint for the new committees unless they're no really, you know, dissolved. And then they were reestablished as something else. It just seems overly cumbersome. So if you want to take the existing documents and put them into an archive folder, that's up to you. If you want, so it's it's flexible in that way, unless you want to advise the council as a whole to do something in a particular way. I'll be open to that. Yeah, it just makes sense. They it seems like the new committees will want to look back at the former minutes and the former agendas. And, you know, so just carrying it over as is if the committees are staying as is makes sense, doesn't it? And there's yes, I think you're right. I think that from my perspective, what would be valuable is for members of this committee to just take a look at some point, maybe you've already done this at the SharePoint at our SharePoint site. And if you see anything missing or if you think it's confusing or but essentially what I'm doing is putting everything in there that I think they will need, including obviously previous minutes and agendas and the rest, but also a whole host of documents that they're going to need access to in order to continue their work. It's all going to be left there and all that will change will be, there'll be new names or new members of the committee, but and the chair, whoever he or she may be will then access SharePoint. So I guess what I'm asking of you and Mandy and anyone else on the committee is if, you know, take a look at it at some point and if you see something missing or if you think it's confusing or it's not clear. So imagine, in other words, you're sort of a newbie to GOL and you go to, you know, say you're a new chair and you go to our SharePoint site. Is it fairly clear what things, you know, I try to label them fairly clearly and try to put them together in various groupings, but that's, and this will be there as well. So. It seems like there, it would be helpful to have a new folder entitled, yeah, whatever, you know, 2022, 2023 session. Okay. Founding documents, not founding, but carryover documents. So sort of like, you know, the referral that Mandy Joe made to TSO when we split duties, you know, that's in our, in the TSO, like founding documents. So that, you know, documents. I would disagree to a certain extent because the way SharePoints are organized now, there's a meeting packets and it's by year. We don't need to create a archive meeting packets and a new meeting packets. We just need a new folder that says 2022. Right. And I'm assuming, okay. You know, we don't need a new archive minutes and or first town council minutes, second town council minutes. We just need to continue that folder system with 2022 minutes, 2023 minutes. Right. And I'm assuming the new chair would figure that out without any problems. Yeah. 20, TSO has a folder that is in founding documents. So let me look at TSO. Yeah, let me look at TSO and see maybe I can find a model and see if I can. Yeah. Okay. Okay. CRC just has a relevant documents and then it's got some extra folders for appointment recommendations and for public hearing samples, document samples. I just created new folders for document samples. Okay. All right. Well, again, what I asked is that when you're free time, ha ha, if you have a moment to just take a look at it and maybe you've already done so, but when you do, if you do and you see something that you don't understand, doesn't seem clear, if you see something missing, I'll take a look at the TSO site. I'll also look at the CRC site. We glanced at it last meeting briefly. I was very proud of all the things I put there. But that doesn't mean it's the way it should be. So any input you have, send it to me, email it to me. And I can change that obviously up until December, whatever, 31st. Okay. All right. So I'm assuming this is okay, at least for the moment. I just want you to see it and I will put this revised version on the SharePoint site and that's where it will sit. And all right. Okay. So I want to turn now unless anyone has any other issues to town manager goals. And I've got Darcy, I have your comments. I'm gonna see how I can do this. The document we're gonna work with is a document. Let me just open that first. Make sure it's the one I want. This is a document that I have done some edits and Lynn has made some comments on, and I think also Mandy. Yeah. So, and they're all marked. It's all, you know, so let's, let me just open this up so we can see it and let me show the screen as soon as I can find, go away. So this is, let's make sure track changes are on. Get out of here. We changed the date. So let's look at the section by section. Darcy's given us some suggested edits for the first goal climate action. And we're gonna look at those and people okay with the preface. So time council performance goals for the time manager January one to December 31. I don't think it's our place to weigh in on, you know, two year goals or one year goals, though we could. I thought the discussion was somewhat diffuse on that. Also, I believe it was Alyssa had issues about why we had suddenly gone to calendar year, but we have gone to calendar year. And unless there's a revolt at the council, I think this is gonna be what it is. Changed the year 2022. Now we had a year which will pose serious fiscal and operational challenges and uncertainties. That partly was a reflection of COVID and the results of COVID. I'm wondering if, you know, I mean, in a sense, every year always poses challenges, right? But I felt that was put in for a special reason. I just don't know what people don't really care. Do you want to take it out? You know, time policy goals set up below reflected time counts varies for 2022 period. Any thoughts? I was looking at that one too. And yeah, it applies to every year. It probably applies to this one, especially since we're potentially adding a couple of new departments to the town. But at the same time, the introduction, it would be nice if all you ever have to do is change the year, right? I know. But I think given your, I mean, we are creating two new departments and that's a major, major change. And that will certainly pose, maybe take out serious, just pose fiscal and operational challenges and uncertainties. I don't know, I don't know. Darcy, any thoughts? It doesn't really matter to me. Yeah, all right. I'm trying to say to myself how I feel about this. Yeah, it's strange when you're just copying the language from a previous year. I agree. The preface should reflect, you know, as we think about the coming year, that language should reflect that. It shouldn't just be, you know, and that's why we're reading it. And I think Mandy's right, given what's coming for this year, there do seem to be some unusual challenges that we face. Right, yeah. No, it's certainly true. I mean, not like it's not true. Exactly, so let's leave it in. Right, it's not false. And so I like the rest of it though. I think we worked really hard on this. I'm very proud of it. I'm proud of what GOL did as a group, fashioning this. So these policy goals are deeply interrelated and overarching and should guide decision-making at all levels and its provisions of core municipal services. Okay, well, a provision of core, common municipal services. Should there be a comment there? Because a core needs either a noun or it just is modifying municipal, right? Yeah, it doesn't seem to be there. Core is modifying municipal. That shouldn't be there. All right, all right, excuse me. Let me check and see. Okay. So the government has provision of core municipal or just could be provision of municipal services. I mean, what's the point of core here? What is the point? I'm not sure either. Yeah. These policy goals are deeply interrelated and overarching and should guide decision-making at all levels of town government as provision of municipal services. That's what I would suggest and are meant to be used by the town manager that priorities, direct work activities and alligates staff against financial resources. I think that's fine. The management goals reflect the requirement to assess the day-to-day performance of the manager's duties as set forth in charter as well as the ability to supervise a significant workforce. All right. All right, now, here's where it gets a little tricky technologically. I wanna put Darcy's document up on the screen so we all can see it. I didn't go ahead and just make the edits because I'm not sure quite how to do that. Can I share too? I don't think I can share. You have to share your screen and have them both on the screen at the same time to be able to see both. All right, so I'm going to, this should continue to be, so. But instead of sharing a document on the screen, you have to share your just computer screen. I just care the screen itself. All right. Yeah. And then whatever you're seeing on your screen, we will see. Okay, well. I think I've got the draft up here. I would just need to see Darcy's. I don't know what Darcy. I'm okay with you. I wanna have, I wanna do what you suggest. Let me open Darcy's document. And I don't mind showing you my whole screen. He said, all right, let's see here. If I can find it. So, Mandi, Darcy, Darcy. Okay. Climate action. There it is. Thank you. All right. So there is Mandi's document. I'm sorry. Darcy's document. And so now I'm going to go back to. Oh, God. Okay. Okay. Bear with me. I'm gonna now share a screen. I'm gonna share everything. So this is the desktop. Okay. And I wanna get, see if I can minimize this. Okay. And I'm gonna start. So you can see everything. So let's put you over here for a moment. So, can you move the? I hear you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then click on mine. So it'll, oops, wait a minute. Yeah. It's gonna be confusing. I apologize. I'm not the worst person. I really only need to see Darcy's because the other one, you'll need that one to type into, but if I could, if we could just prioritize Darcy's would be great. Okay. So let's, for the second, let's look at Darcy's and then I can go and make changes. So, what Darcy you've done here, actually, why don't you take us? Yeah. Go ahead. Can I just explain it, George? Please, go ahead. Yeah. The first sentence is, I believe the same as what is already there. Are the, the, Can you check that? I think, Yes. Then I, I split the implementing community choice segregation, made it separate from implementing portions of the climate action plan because it is separate. And, so, and they're both super important. So I don't see joining them. So anyway, and I put in for the climate action plan, implementing portions because the climate action plan has a 2025 roadmap. And, so we're not going to be implementing the whole thing in the next fiscal year or the next calendar year. So I put in the portions that would be implemented, prioritized for FY 2022 and 2023 because calendar year is in both of them. And so, and I took out the adopted by the town council because it's basically right now the town, you know, it's, the car is a plan of the staff and, you know, that's been joined in with the ECAC, but it's primarily a staff plan. And it is the finance director right now is working with ECAC, basically try to figure out priorities. Right. And we have a funding stream, which is, you know, the 100,000 for 2022. And then we have our pump funds. Right. So it's not too much of an issue of like deciding what gets funded up for the town council. It's more the finance director figuring out like how we can do this. So I think it complicates things to, because there may be a priority list of 15 things that are listed one through, you know, 15 and it just gets complicated. And it's something that we're hoping the finance director will help with, you know, within the next month or two. Right. So just, I just think that it would be nice if the town council trusted the finance director to come up with this and not having to go back for individual of those actions. Right, right, right. Can I ask a question, Darcy? Yes. I thank you for that explanation because that helped me get towards being okay with this language, but I do have one question about prioritized. I was confused as to who's prioritizing it. Is it the finance director? Is it ECAC? Is it Stephanie or sustainability coordinator? Or is it a bunch of them? I just don't know. It's basically staff. I mean, ECAC will be weighing in and they'll be weighing into the town council. And they'll be weighing in to the finance director, which, and he has asked us to weigh in because it's confusing for everybody. And, but it'll be staff that ultimately, and probably Paul will ultimately, you know, be the, be the decider. We've been at like prioritized by the manager, by town staff, by who prioritizing is, who is prioritizing it? Just so it's a little clearer. We could say prioritized by the town manager. That would be okay. I'm just gonna make changes to this for the moment. But I'm wondering implementing portions of the climate action. Remember, this is, Paul basically, this is for Paul. So what it's basically saying to Paul is we want you to implement portions of the carp that have been prior to, that have been prioritized to start implementation in that year. So I'm not sure. Do we really need it? We probably, yeah, go ahead. I mean, if it doesn't see town council, then it means town manager anyway. And if it's directed to him, but I don't have any problem with putting in town manager. I think that it's understood if we don't put in town council. Right, I mean, the document is addressed to him. I mean, it's essentially, this is our message to him. I like that that have been prioritized. And then it could be for implementation by FY 2023 or for implementation in FY 22 and FY 23. Is that up to start? Well, no, a lot of these things. Are they multiple year implementation? They need funding to start and there's no way they're going. I mean, if you're saying they need to be fully implemented. I just hate the use of the word implementing twice. That's just me in my language, you know, fetishes, but implementing to start implementing. We wanted to implement portions that have been prioritized. You could just say, well, for what? For action, for... I'm looking up synonyms. I'm sorry, I don't want to beat this. For execution? Prioritized for... Or we could just leave it. Darcy, your thoughts? I just need, I mean, it just needs to say to start because a lot of them are... We'll have a timeline where they'll start in 2022 and they may not be completely implemented for three years. And it's a goal we can measure. I mean, the other thing in my mind is always, is this something we can actually look and say? And Paul can look and say, well, I did or I didn't do it. And this is something in that category. This could be, you could measure this. You could say, well, you know, this was prioritized to start in fiscal 2022, but he didn't do anything with it, or he did. Okay. Yeah, and FYI, you know, the fact that I put these in a row and like bullet order type, it doesn't have to be because that's not consistent with the way the other ones are. I just put it there for clarity to number them in order like that and not in paragraph form. So anyway, number three is also already in the justing one. I just added, instead of saying sustainability, I put in climate action because sustainability is so mushy. Nobody really understands what it means. And also to determine greenhouse gas emission impacts rather than just impacts because that is what we're talking about. And it's just to make it clear. Okay. It makes a lot of sense. Good, okay. And then the fourth one is also in there, but... We had one of the greenhouse gas emissions that's everyone's okay with that and resilience in order to determine greenhouse gas. Okay. Well, actually, it's a little awkward. You determine greenhouse gas emissions impacts. I thought it was awkward. And then I started thinking about it and it makes sense. It sounds a little awkward, but as far as you have. About determining the impact of greenhouse gas emissions. Well, no, yeah. No, I think it works the way Darcy wrote it. Okay, fine. All right. Good. Because it's not just are we reducing energy, it's how much greenhouse gas use are we reducing almost? Or how will these things impact the greenhouse gas use emissions of our energy use? So it works. Right. And that's what the goals are all about is the greenhouse gas emission impact. So, and number four is already in there educating town, multiple member bodies and staff. But that is a little mushy in the current version. So, and it's on, I would like to have it more clear on how that's being done and how to apply a climate lens, which is what two years ago, we were using climate lens language in our goals and that has sort of disappeared. I'd like to bring it back. How to apply a climate lens and decision-making in order to advance the goals. So, because that's basically what they need to learn. You okay with that? So I actually, I was going to suggest removing number, what was number three, this education one, but I actually like how you reworded it. So that I'm for keeping it in with the rewording. Yeah, so, and then the fifth one I added in, that's new. So, and that is something that is, you know. Is something you'd like him to do for this coming year to create a publicly accessible inventory and timeline for the transition of municipal buildings, vehicles and equipment from the use of fossil fuels. So, it would be a list of, you know, what you would like him to do for this coming year. It would be a list of, you know, like the facilities director, Jeremiah LaPlante would probably like have a list of all of our buildings and what their age is and what kind of heating system they use. So we're already working on a capital inventory, right? Because that's part of the charter requirements. All right, yes. Yeah, we have a bunch of duplicative, right. And so we're trying to combine everything into one. Finance has recommended certain things to be in that inventory. Jeremiah and Sean and all have been working extensively, including DPW and all on a list of vehicles. And we finally, as a JCPC got an extensive list, it's missing some information. We could potentially add into that capital inventory because that's, I think, what it's called in the charter. You know, a... So you could include in the capital inventory. Include in the capital inventory X, Y and Z. A timeline for the transition of the building. I think I'd be okay with that. I'm wary of this, how it's written right now, but because we don't want six different lists. We want... Yeah, no, I agree totally. I agree totally. And I actually suggested that at some point in history that it didn't make sense. And I suggested more categories in the chart. Here's what I'm gonna do, but stop me. So I think it would be include timelines for transition from the use of fossil fuels in the capital inventory or something like that. Why not include in the capital inventory a timeline for? That could work. Is that work? Is that? So this would come out. So you have dust, you might weigh in on public accessible. I think it depends on... I assume the capital inventory will be a public document. Okay, that's fine. I'm assuming. It becomes when it's handed to JCPC and then the council as part of the capital... So include in the capital inventory a timeline for the transition of municipal buildings, vehicles and equipment from the use of fossil fuels. Fuel seems like a fairly straightforward, right? What do you think? Yeah. And what do you think? I'd much prefer that. Include the capital inventory, take out this inventory. And take out timeline and just make it Anne. I'll just take out the end. A timeline. A timeline. So I think I'm okay with that. I don't know whether the council will go for it, but I'm okay with that wording now. And I had another question and this is, I had suggested a potential addition to this climate action goal. Go ahead. Which is we are three years or so out from the interim 2025 goals for greenhouse gas reductions, right? And so at what point does it become necessary or logical to receive a report on the progress of meeting that 2025 interim goal? In other words, when should we attempt to measure how much we've reduced and how far we are away from meeting that goal? And should that be part of this year's policy goals? Or should it only be done after the community choice aggregation is implemented? Because I know that's part of one of the ways we will make a huge dent in reaching those 2025 goals. So I don't wanna do that sort of study or calculation too early. Yeah, I think that the, you know, the ECAC is, you know, that's part of its charge to track greenhouse gas emission reductions. And I actually had a six point which was tracking greenhouse gas, which I took out so that I wouldn't over burden us, but I think it's a good idea. And I actually think that we should probably be doing it every two years. It's, you know, the most recent one was done in 2017 by an intern. But I think that we need to have a better method of doing so. And I would be all for adding another bullet saying, you know, track greenhouse gas emissions reductions. I mean, I had it written as report on the progress on meeting 2025 climate, interim climate action goals or meeting the 2025 green interim greenhouse gas reduction climate action goals or something. Yeah, we need a report. And it's how he does the report. I would expect, you know, I don't want to dictate what the report looks like, but I think we want a report by the end of this 2022 on our progress towards those 2025 interim goals. I agree because, you know, we don't have that much time left. And I don't think we should wait until the community choice aggregation is up and running because of the fact that, although it's on the verge of our applying to the DPU for the CCA part of it, the DPU did not has 14 municipalities waiting to hear. They have not looked at one application over the last year. And so they're very backed up. It's really horrible how backed up they are. So we... So give me some wording here. Okay. So the way I'm writing it is report. So by, oh, by reporting, we need, number five needs to be including everything starts ING. I understand. Including, oh, sorry. And then number six would be reporting on the progress made towards meeting the 2025 interim. Reporting on the progress made, go ahead. Towards meeting the 2025 interim climate action goals. Yeah. So reporting on the progress made towards meeting. Go ahead. The 2025 interim climate action goals. Interim action. And should we capitalize that way you think? Climate action goals, you're missing climate. Climate action goals should be capitalized. Should be a capitalized, thank you. And is it the progress made as I think about this, is it just the progress made or the progress made and plans towards meeting the interim climate action goals and plans to, again, I don't know exactly what. Okay, plan progress made. So this is progress made towards and plans for meeting. So after towards it. Let's again, let's, yeah. I mean. Cause we can get the progress and then, I mean, or we could get the progress and then the council can say, okay, how are we going to get the rest of the way? Right, I think right now we just, I think what I'm hearing is that we just want to know where we stand in terms of our 2025 goals and beyond that. And that's something he could do. I mean, the other thing I'm asking, every time we write one of these, is this something he could actually do in the coming year? Right. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying he couldn't do the other as well, probably could, but it would be, okay. Well, it's in a way, it's what it's asking is and we'll be seeing what the portions of the climate action adaptation and resilience plan, basically what you're asking is how, because the car sets up how to actually meet the 25%. By 2025, and basically what you would be asking is, how do you plan on actually doing this between now and then? And whether we can, right? Like that's the other thing, have we made sufficient already that we can continue on that car plan or are we so far behind that we have to do something else or are we ahead that, you know, yeah. So is it in light of something and light of X or is it simply reporting? I don't think so. I think it's just reporting on. Okay, fine. That simple is better. So implementing community choice aggregation, implementing portions of the carp that have been prioritized, ensuring blah, blah, blah, educating, including in the capital inventory, is that clear enough from just that phrase, capital inventory, he'll know what that means? He should. Well, do we know? Just do I as a counselor? Let me look up the charter. I'm sorry. So that we get. Well, it's just the name of it. The charter will have the wording. Give me a second. Thank you. Thank you. So I guess we need to change the, take out the and in number four and put the and in number five. Yeah. So it's just called the capital inventory. You can capitalize capital inventory. You could reference the charter, charter section 5.7A. Thank you. 5.8. 5.7A. So including in the capital inventory, charter section 5.7A, a time, including in it a timeline for, okay? And reporting on the progress made towards meeting the 2025 interim climate action goals. You need another parentheses after A. Oh, sorry. A is supposed to be in parentheses itself. All right. Thank you. So you'll need double parentheses on the closed side. Okay. And this should be semi-colon and. I think we're just commas and. Yeah. We're just commas. Commas. Thank you. And I will, if you will trust me, I will make these edits. Once we agree on this language, if we have agreed on it, I will go in and make the changes to that section. And I will send this to you all for, just for you to look over if you have any, if you see anything that's, is it will go to the council for the December 6th, you know, it's a draft two, but I will send it out to all of you later today for you to look over. And if you see anything, any typos or any concerns, let me know. Rather than watch you, watch me do this right now. Mm-hmm. And George. Is that okay? Yep. I'll send it soon after the meeting. We're having an ECAC meeting today. And it would be. What time? What time is it? The meeting's at 4.30, so we've got plenty of time. But yeah, it would be nice to be able to send that, put it in that packet so they can look at it. Let me think for a second. I could send it to you easily. Should I be sending it? I'm just asking. I'm just out loud here. Should I be sending it to other entities before the council's had a chance to actually, I mean, this is just a draft. The council hasn't really. I'm uncomfortable with it going to random entities before the council sees what their comments got entered in. Just so they are, since it's, they're very interested, obviously. No, no, everybody is. I think everybody, I hope that the whole town actually, I'm really proud of this document. And if we send it there, then what is, you know, the reparations group going to say, or the housing trust going to say, I think we need to send it to the council first. Yeah, right now this is an internal document for, because we haven't voted on it or anything. And I want your input, because you're members of this committee and make sure that whatever I give the council on December 6th is what we've agreed to. So obviously we're all free at that meeting to change our minds or make other additions or whatever. So, I mean, I, you know, so I think Darcy, I have no problem sharing it with you. And I guess I'm not going to give advice to people on what they should or shouldn't do, but I guess I would just point out it is at the moment an internal document that we're trying to get the council to finally, you know, come to agreement on. And at that point then it becomes a public document for people to comment on. And if, say, you know, ECAC or reparations or somebody looks at our document that we vote on and says, I don't like that, or this, why don't you have this, why don't you have that. The next council could easily revise this. This is not written in stone. This is a living document that can be changed at any time. So I guess my thought at the moment is, let's us get our act together. And as a council, and first as GOL, and then as a council, and then the public is certainly free to weigh in and reach out to individual counselors or the council as a whole and say, how come you didn't put this in there? How come you didn't put that? Does that make sense? Are we, are we? Yeah, yeah. So just, yeah, I guess the thought is, I just don't want to be sending. I don't want to be emailing this to everybody on creation. I'd really like to keep it internal, but that doesn't mean we're not interested in what other people think. And they can certainly weigh in through their counselors. I mean, you could come back to us on December 6th and say, having met with ECAC, I'd like to make yet a further change to the climate action, or I'd like to revise this, whatever, you're perfectly free to do that. So yeah, I will, I will send this to you all, including Sarah, everybody on the committee, later this afternoon, once I have a chance to put in the edits for you to look at. Great, thank you. All right, all right. All right, so are people okay with this? And I'm just going to... I'm just gonna move it over. I'm sorry? You'll just move it over. Yeah, I will make the changes later this afternoon. I don't, you don't want to watch me do this now. I don't think. So I want to make sure that this gets, okay, this has been saved. And again, we're okay with the changes I take it. I'm gonna always change it again, but this seems fine. Nope. All right, okay, I'm gonna move that away. Now we just have the document itself. Okay, and I want to get, make sure it's on, whoops. Yep, so we see, we still see your whole desktop if we want to change it to just the document. Just share. Okay, thank you. Let's, let me do that. So let me stop sharing. Let me go to that document. Community health and safety. I don't have any notes from the council meeting of anyone seeking changes to this. Did you receive anything? There was an issue and I'm not sure where reparations would go. That's probably in social justice number. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Five, no six, racial equity and social justice. All right, so community health and safety to ensure the health and safety of the residents and members by continuing to take all steps necessary to ensure the health of the community in the presence of the COVID-19 pandemic. I assume that given the current situation that we're in that still is the case, right? And two, in accordance with the council's vote on December and that's a coming vote, could be December. We don't know. Right. I think it's coming on the 20th. Yeah. I would leave it open though. Yeah. And in consultation with the council and the residents of Amherst implementing the community responders for equity, safety and service agency. Okay. So implementing, okay. To provide services. To respond to issues of homelessness, mental health and other non criminal calls to emergency distress. Period. Period. Is that the language that's in the proposal of the definition of the program? I'm sorry, I didn't look at that. I don't know. That's the language that was in last year's goal. In terms of the homelessness, mental health and other non-criminal calls. I'd have to look up the... I mean, there still is obviously a question that has not been resolved and will not be resolved. I don't think anytime soon about the extent of what calls will be responded to and what won't. I think that's all left. That's just to be determined. What we're asking the town manager to do in consultation, I think Paul's question, he sent me a brief email message. I'll read his actual words so you can hear it. Under section Roman two, number two, the community health and safety goal. I'm not really sure what it means to consult with the council, quote, and residents of Amherst unquote. What evidence would the council expect to show or expect that I would provide that I've consulted with, quote, the residents of Amherst unquote on implementing Crest? So he had a question about that. I think, okay, deleting the clause because we're gonna vote the agency and this is to implement that agency. So I'd be fine with deleting the clause between December X 2021 and then implementing. And not the reason in accordance with the council's vote implementing the Crest agency to provide services. So in accordance with the council's vote on December X 2021 implementing the Crest agency. Yeah, I hate that. But he called it an agency. Okay, implementing the agency. He called it in his memo, in his reorganization memo, it was an agency. Rather than a department. Yep. All right, well, that's... Now, could it be whose mission is or no, maybe that's dangerous, I guess, when we start to... Yeah, I would be taking that language out too. Okay, so let's... These are changes that we can make. So in accordance with the council's vote and then 2021, whoops, implementing the community responder agency to provide services to respond to issues of homelessness, mental health and other non-criminal calls to emergency dispatch. All right. And so that's okay. Economic vitality. The comment from Paul was whether do you wanna say something in this document? Or more appropriately, the budget guidelines. So I guess it's two options there about hiring an economic development director. That was mentioned by at least one member of the town council. I don't think it is necessary because I've identified funds for a similar position using ARPA funds, but I simply wanna raise it for you to consider. My initial thought on this is, in spite of the fact that I've been pushing for this for a long time, is that because of the ARPA money and the action that Paul has committed to take with it for the moment, that seems to be, I guess, adequate, at least something. And also given the fact that the economic development position was basically cannibalized or not eliminated but basically that funding was switched over to the DEI director. So I don't know. I don't have a strong feeling on this one. I don't know. The other, I have that one as one of the council comments. I had asking for more comprehensive plans, particularly as it reflects number one, working closely to provide support and assistance to business communities. I don't know what that meant means. I think it's just language changing, but. So this would be item two or a separate item. I think it was part of item one. All I have is a note that says, ask for more comprehensive plans here and other places. And I have a pointing to working closely with local institutions and business entities. So that was my note. I think it's more of a wording of what does working closely with to provide support and assistance versus, do we want actual plans somewhere or provide plans or- No, I think it is- I think it is the implementation or other things. I'm not sure how we redo this one though. Right, right. Evidence that he, and we have had evidence over the past year. Yeah. Evidence that he continues to work closely with, you know, local institutions, I assume means the colleges and university, right? Right. I mean, we could just say that, but maybe, I don't know, does it include- I mean, we could get rid of local institutions and just say businesses or I don't know. I think it's fine as it is. Yeah, yeah, fine. I would like to change number three though. Okay, so two is facilitating the review and revision of zoning bylaws to promote diverse neighborhoods, rural housing and new growth. I mean, that, I think judging from recent comments from some on the council, that might be contentious, but I'm happy to leave it there. Yeah, I probably wouldn't want new growth in downtown. I think that was the debate last time too. Right, so we'll have that debate again, I guess, right? Yeah. So number three, the continuing to develop a plan to implement. I want that to read implementing the three actions proposed by the downtown working group as modified by CRC, not continuing to develop a plan. I want to see those actions implemented. So implementing the three actions proposed by the downtown working group as modified by CRC and adopted by the town council. Do we want to state them here? Is that too much to implementing the three, you know, implementing? Sean's already asked me what they are, so he's already got it. I was just saying from the point of view of the council, I know, speaking for myself, I would have to scramble to find a document that would list- Let me find my email. Yeah, I'm sorry, I just, you know, and that's fine, we could just leave it this way, but everyone's going to ask, what are the three actions? And I probably should have memorized them, but I haven't. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about here. Yeah, I think when we hear them, Darcy will go, oh yeah, of course, those three, but the reference here won't mean anything to the public and won't mean anything to me unless it's actually stated or I can tell people what they are. And I think that I guess I would object to a saying as modified by CRC. Well, so the downtown parking working group had three recommendations. They were modified by CRC in a memo and then the council adopted them as they were adopted as modified, so. We should probably have the date then, right? So I sent Sean the January 8th, 2020 memo from CRC. Let me see if I can find the council vote. That might take a little bit though. That's right, I can look that up for the sake of time, but if you feel, I feel that the date should be there, but maybe that's overkill, but Darcy's point is, you know, that would then, it would make clear that it's a specific action on a specific date referencing a specific memo modified by a particular committee based on the work of the downtown parking working group. So I think the date probably does matter. Right, and it also makes clear that it has already happened. That's not clear. It's not clear that it, you know, when I read it, I didn't, I don't know the background, so it looks like it would require adoption by the town council, sure adoption. On, and then I'm just gonna leave that blank for the moment. The other question is, do we need to list the three actions? I get, again, the point is, since there is a memo and there is an actual action by the council, you could look it up. I mean, I would look it up. Yeah, I think if they need to be listed, it would be nice. It would be nice, yes, you know. It just makes it transparent, you know. I agree. Public. I agree, I agree. So I could do that later. Mandy, I realize this may be more than we can do right now. Are you comfortable with the, adding the three specifically and the date? I'm trying to find it, so. That's also true. If we can't find it, that's all another problem. So I have the CRC memo, but the two meetings after that memo don't have any motions on them related to it. Okay, all right. So we need to find if it was in fact adopted and when? Do you have? I remember there being something referred to the finance committee. Okay. So here's the CRC. CRC's memo was the downtown parking working groups priorities were, create a dedicated parking management position in charge of all transportation policy planning and implementation, create a dedicated funding source to pay for downtown parking and transportation improvements and implement high visibility and consistent signage and key locations and update the town's parking's webpage to be more user-friendly. And so CRC voted unanimously to recommend the council accept the recommendations of downtown parking working group through the setting of the manager goals. It also recommends the council refer to the finance committee to make a recommendation regarding the minimum percentage of the transportation fund that should be dedicated to improvements and parking in the downtown. And so there might not be a council vote because the recommendation was to put those things in the manager's goals, which we did last year through this develop a plan and then it was sent to the finance committee a recommendation regarding a minimum percentage. And I think the finance committee had that on a referral and came back or didn't come back. That part, I don't know. It seems like what we would want here would be just listing those three things and saying, please implement these three things. Yeah, so the dedicated funding source might not, yeah, so we could list those three things from the downtown parking working group or at least the two that aren't the funding source because that one seems to have potentially gone to the finance committee. We could still have it in there and then it could be sorted out later. I mean, this is basically just saying we want you to do these three things. Yeah. And I think if we do want this and I think we do, we should list what they are. And I'm not sure at this point, we really need to reference the downtown parking working group or the CRC memo, but simply say, or maybe we do, but just say we want you to do these three things. All right. Okay, so I can reword that. I'm taking notes on my own copy of this word document. I'll type it up and then we can actually review what it's like to review it. Yeah. So, and you wouldn't be able to say and adopted by the town council, right? Because the town council basically said, let's put it in the goals. And last year, the goal was to continue to develop a plan to implement those things without us listing them. And now the suggestion is just to list them, period. Yeah. That's the suggestion. I'm not saying we're gonna do it, but that's what I'm thinking makes sense. Yeah. And I like the idea of the plan is we're done with that. Now it's time to do something. Let me see what I can come up with. Okay. All right. I mean, Mandy, are you okay with that? Because I think the point is to be as concrete and specific as possible with Paul. Yeah. And he could come back and say, look, there's no way I can do that or no way I can do this in the coming year. And then we can, you know, negotiate on that or not. In the end, there are goals, but we don't want to set goals that he says, look, I just can't do that. But okay. All right. So what I'm committed to at this point, we're making good progress, but I hope we'll get through this all within reasonable time. We'll be done at 1230 for all our six. But I'm going to make edits to the climate action based on what we agreed to. Mandy is going to submit some suggested changes to economic vitality item three. Okay. You mind if I share my screen? In terms of what now? So you can see the change to economic vitality. Oh, you're ready. You've got them all ready. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sure. Go ahead. Okay. Let's look at them quickly. Go ahead. So I stopped sharing for a second. I got it. Oh, you can share over me. Oh, wow. Yep. I thought I was chair. Wait a minute. You shouldn't be able to do that. So I turned it into three different things. Creating a dedicated parking management position in charge of all transportation policy planning and implementation. Good. Implementing high visibility and consistent signage and key locations. Oops. And updating the town's parking website, webpage to be more user friendly and creating a dedicated funding source to pay for downtown parking and transportation improvements. Those were the three things. So the first two are again, sort of broad, you know, keep doing sort of this general stuff. And then the third one is boom, boom, boom. Right. I mean, somebody might object to that. Maybe Paul will object to it, you know. But... I mean, it could be implementing the proposed, actions proposed by the downtown working group by creating, implementing and creating, but that gets, you know, wordy. Right. And I think this, what I like about this is it's specific and if Paul has a problem with it, he can speak up and the first two, he won't have a problem with because he's already there. And, you know, it's not right. Yeah, I would have. Oh, go ahead, Georgie. Oh, please, Darcy. My, you know, I think that this makes sense. The tricky part is that, you know, ECAC has been pushing a department level position for a sustainability director. Right. You know, like one third of what, of our climate action has to do, well, you know, about one third is transportation. And so this is, you know, I would probably bring this up that somehow or other this position needs to be, have a climate lens, you know. And how to kind of incorporate that into this of, you know, of this position is a part of the... Yeah, no, I think that's good to bring up at the council because the council may, these were the three that we said implement that this prior three meant last year and when they actually see what they are, the council may say, I actually don't want X, I don't want Y, you know. And so they may end up deleting some of these because I look at it and I go, is the parking management position really where I want my money to go when we're trying to do so many other initiatives? I might suggest deleting it when we get to the council, but this is sort of taking what was number three and not working, continuing to develop a plan to implement actions proposed and saying, here's those actions, it's time to implement them and then letting the council say, no, we're done with this one. That's not a goal anymore. Right, I agree. And I think Dorsey, we above in climate action, we have made it a priority of the town council as a goal that everything should be done with the climate action lens. So that sort of, we're just assuming that is going to be done with this as well as with everything. Yeah. Still with mentioning, I think. Anyway, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure that does it. Not, well, yeah. And just so George knows, I already put in all the things we agreed on number one here. Oh, so you've already edited this. Okay. All right, okay. I'm just doing it so I have a copy. That's great. And then you've sent me that. That's great, that's great. I will produce, we will provide them with a red line version, which will be this. And then we will provide a clean version. Okay. We ready for capital investments? Yes, I am. Okay. To continue progress on the renovation expansion replaced in the elementary schools in accordance with the Fort River MSBA grant award. Now, what about the repair? And what do we need to do for the Jones library now? It's the, it's not the repair of, it's the renovation expansion of the Jones library. So here we want him to continue progress on. Okay. Now his comment to me, which I took the words right out of my mouth. He read my mind. Actually, he read my comments on the evaluation. Do you want to be more specific about progress on the four major capital projects? And I would screen yes. I know this is an issue that has been a frustration for some of the counselors. Would you like to add something more tangible? And I would. This is for discussion and I'm re-reaction. I have commented at the council meeting that I want something stronger for, some stronger wording for both fire and DPW. For fire, it might be begin schematic designs for DPW. It might be identify a location. Yes, something like that. I think we have to insist that in the coming year he solved this problem. It's been three years. And I don't know what the solution is, but we need a solution. Maybe it's DPW gets spread out into three different pieces. But so I don't know how you feel about this Darcy, but I feel like, you know, obviously COVID, lots of things happened in the last three years, but this is a real, real issue. So I would like more specific language on both fire and DPW. The first two, fine, continue progress. You know, they're gonna run themselves, hopefully, right? And he will continue to do what he has to do to make that go, but he needs, I think, to, how do you wanna put it? Replace the fire station and find a location. So I'm working on it now. Identifying the location for the Department of Public Works headquarters. A new location. So I guess identifying is all right, as opposed to finding or securing. Yeah, I'd like to be as strong as possible, and then we can take it out if people say that's too much or Paul says, forget it. But, you know, he says here, do you want to be more specific about progress in the four major capital projects? And the first two, there's nothing we can say. Just keep doing what you're doing. But three and four. So, finding and beginning the schematic design phase for the replacement project. I think that's the phase we're in for the central fire station. That's what we want. And at the end of the coming year, the new council can say, well, did we fund and begin the schematic or not? Yeah. And number four is did we, have we actually found and secured a new location for the Department of Public Works headquarters? That's what I'm suggesting. I agree with that language. I mean, this is not good, but what's the one year thing for the Fort River MSBA grant? Is it getting towards a, this is where we need Kathy and Steve. And they can edit this on, I can ask them, but I also can, you can just put Steve and Kathy in parenthesis or we can just, they can read it and then they can help us. Now, for specifics for details, good. Okay. Because the council will get both. And maybe I should just send the red line and make them, that might be the best. I don't know. And then for the Jones library, beginning construction? I think we just, he doesn't have, I mean, what control does he have? He just, you know, right? Both of these processes are pretty much self, right? Right. So I think all we're just saying is, keep on keeping on, unless there's something absolutely specific, right? Like meeting deadlines, well, you know, right, fine. Supporting, you know, the library building committee, I don't know what, supporting library, building library committee in its work too, or needs, I just, you know, work, if you say committee's work, and just say the committee's work to realize the renovation expansion of Jones library, yeah. Good. Then funding, go ahead. We put this at the end and we normally put that in the beginning. Let's just think for a second. At this point, do we keep, do we need to keep putting it in? Maybe we do. Consistent with the vote of 2019, I mean, you've made the point that it's always good to connect these objectives with specific council actions. And- So we put that vote here. So, so to continue progress on the format consistent with the October 21, 2018 council vote, do we need to have all the other language now at this point, consistent with that vote? It's just that, you know, somebody wants to know, they can go back and look. I'm just asking, but you take that language out and just say consistent with the 2019 council vote by, that's what I'm thinking. Do I see any thoughts? Do you think it's, do we have to have that language still? That is the sense of the council, that is committed to a plan that we'll address, right? I mean, just the point is, here's the vote and now the things you need to do. Meet the deadline, support the library building committee. Where's three? Three is funding and beginning the schematic design phase. Funding begins schematic design and four, find and secure a location. Do you want finding or identifying? I kind of like finding. Darcy, you're our Ty Vo. Any thoughts? Yeah, finding makes more sense, I guess. I just, I don't know. It's just, it's the same thing really, just find it. I don't want you, he could identify and say, well, I'm trying to delete this part that George wants to delete. Darcy, what are your thoughts? I would delete it, but yeah. I think the point is there's the vote and that's just connecting it to something we did and the rest of it is just verbiage. What about this one consistent for the library consistent with? So, so to realize the renovation expansion Jones library consistent with the town council's April 5th, 2021 vote. And the election results on November 2nd. Oh, yeah, I mean, that might be worth it for the moment that might be worth putting in just because it's been so contentious. I don't know. It's just, it's just, right. It's just connecting to actual votes or decisions made by relevant entities there. Okay, that work works for me. I don't know Darcy. I, I have no comment. Okay, I know, I know. Funding and beginning the schematic design phase and finding securing a new location. Good. I like that. All right. Housing affordability provides access to safe affordable housing for low and moderate income residents by implementing the comprehensive housing policy adopted by the town council policy. Okay, now that's, you know, what does that actually mean? I really don't. I mean, we have to prioritize stuff, right? And we don't have time now to do that. It's already been referred to the manager and CRC for implementation. So So your thought is just leave it as it is, even though I would leave it as it is. Pacifics are completely. Yeah. I mean, again, the best we could do is instead of using the word implementing, we could, we could ask for a specific type of implementation, whether that's developing a plan for implementing or prioritizing or, you know, reporting on your priorities for implementing, you know, we could do something like that. Because what we're asking him is to get back to us on what he plans to do. I mean, wow, I don't know. I would just leave it that general. I mean, if I were Paul, I would look at us and say, what are you asking me to do here? You know? Other than, okay, you've created this plan. Okay. And it's got, you know, all these things in it. So what am I supposed to do? All right. So what are we telling him to do? We could say developing a plan to implement. I mean, who has to act here? Isn't it really the council has to do? We're reporting on the progress, on progress for or progress towards meeting. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, my thinking is, look, he's looking for us to tell him what he, we want him to do in regards to affordable housing for low and moderate income residents. And just telling him, implement the housing policy is meaningless. So at this point, if I remember this, yeah, go ahead. Working with the community resources committee to implement the comprehensive housing policy because it's also sitting in CRC right now. No, no. That means CRC's first thing will be what's our priorities, right? What are we tackling first? He's looking for us to give him the priorities. We're not asking him to do that, right? And we know it's difficult. I mean, we saw what it was like. I mean, it's, right? So it is really CRC, hopefully setting out some time to establish a set of, based on that report saying, here's what we want to prioritize ABCD, sending it to the council and having the council go yay or nay and then goes to Paul and says, okay, here are our priorities, but we don't have them yet right now, right? So I think maybe working with CRC to implement is the better thing. At least it's something he can say, I can do that, you know. Darcy? I guess I feel like it should be work with the town council to implement, not CRC, because it's... Well, the town council's referred implementation to the town manager and CRC by a formal vote. That's why I say CRC. It's already referred it to the manager and CRC for implementation. And is that something that's in part, I mean, when CRC is carrying things over, I mean, what? It's on the automatic carryover part, that motion, that referral. Good. I mean, it's going to be a real challenge for them, but that's why it's CRC. They live for those things. And then the other comment, I think this came from you, George, you wanted to modify this one too. And I'm just going to do it here. I think that's how you wanted it modified. Well, this I think came from Shalini. Or maybe it was Shalini. I was Shalini. I'm agnostic on this. I want us to, and I realized the challenges, but let's look at it for a moment. Ensuring the operational seasonal shelter. You know, yeah. And creating a permanent year round shelter in Amherst. At the moment, we don't have that. Right. He's been exploring the possibility. Exactly, exactly. This sort of raises the bar a bit or puts a little bit more pressure. Because last year we said explore the possibility. Okay. He did that. Now we're saying create, do something. Whether it's regional. I know how, you know, there's lots of moving parts here, but I'm okay with it. Creating a permanent year round shelter in Amherst. Do we want to keep seasonal or year round? I mean, the thing is, if you've got a permanent seasonal shelter, could you make it year round? Like is it just going to empty part of the year? I think that, yeah. I mean, you need the staff in for a year round, but. Or do we want to just leave it where it was before? I hear you, yeah. I think Shalini can weigh in if she wants to at the meeting. I, this is not, I mean, I, as I said, I'm agnostic. I just want a something permanent that is opposed to, again, now we're in the Lutheran church this year. Who knows where we'll be the next year? Yeah, I would vote for just leading it. You know, that creating a permanent. Seasonal or year round shelter in Amherst. Either through, and I guess we still leave repurposing of surplus town buildings. So I don't think there's been any serious looking at that. But I think we could just leave, I guess we'll leave it in. So here's the next question in Amherst, we could, we could get rid of this whole phrase, right? Get rid of the descriptive as we've been doing on some of these. The question is in Amherst or because it's a regional thing, do we want to say for unhoused Amherst residents? Leaving the possibility that that creation could end up in Hadley? If it won't. It won't. Well, but you know what I'm saying though, it would leave, he's seeking regional solutions and regional money and. But I think this, we wanted an Amherst. I mean, it's, you know, it's, because the community is committed to it. The community has always, you know, I think, but I think taking the other language out is probably makes sense. I think it's just for a beach, right? I know, right? If he finds a different way to do it. Yeah, is it right? And he will, I'm sure. I mean, yeah, when they finally solve it, it won't be anything like what you imagined probably. Yeah, I don't think we want to say unhoused Amherst residents either, because it's very, you know, residency is very muddy in the homeless. Yeah, right. Okay. Yeah. Like that. I go like creating a permanent seasonal year around shelter now. Period, boom. Moving on. Racial equity and social justice. All right. Okay. All right, so we have the long, you know, and a lot of this, I don't know if we want to take it out, but it'd be nice to sort of, okay, maybe we'll leave and portions apart. Okay, so. So the comments were Reparations Fund, ARHA, AHRA, DEI department. Do we put those things in and how? I agree. Say that again, Mandy Jo, you got- So the council comments were that Reparations Fund may be missing, that the reparations assembly mentioned may be missing. That the reparations assembly might be missing from consistent with the council resolution council, all of these things that could be end creation of the reparation assembly and the DEI department. See, what I would think that makes sense would be to take the nice language of one, two and three as at the top and then specific actions that would. The objective is to racial equity and social justice. Our goal is to ensure all community members, number one, number two, foster community free of fear, and number three, incorporate significant involvement of BIPOC residents in shaping these policies and procedures. That I think is important, but what really has meaning are the specific actions that would then help us realize those stated goals. So in order to realize one, two and three, we are asking the town manager to A, B, C, D. So you're looking to switch this as the intro is this, and then it's by one, implementing the DEI department. So numbers would be specific, exactly, exactly. That's what I'm thinking. And should we get rid of- I think if there's- Town council votes. I would just say with town council votes. Yeah, so- Let me work on it. I would like to start with just the lovely one, two and three to ensure, da-da-da-da-da-da, and take the numbers out, or just to ensure this, comma, and this, whatever, because the numbers should refer ideally to specific goals that we want the town manager to pursue in the coming year to realize a community which we just described above. So that's what I'm thinking out loud. Consistent with town council votes, and you could just give the dates. I think all the rest of that can come out. It's just, you know, what I wanna highlight and put upfront is what's at the end. And then specify specific things we'd like him to do Right, and then that's, you know, hot, yeah. Good. What are we doing? Yeah, well, we have reparations, but there that's, would it be supporting or facilitating? Because there's a whole number of things that gonna have to happen before that. And I'm not sure how many of them he actually has a control over, right? Would it be supporting or implementing the recommendations of, right? Of course, we don't know what does that, right now we don't know what they are. But I do agree that we need to mention these things. I think. And what is the name of the new committee? Supporting the work of the, whatever the name of the new committee is. Right, the crest, right. Supporting the work of the African Heritage Operations Assembly and making recommendations for, you know, repairing the damage of structural racism. Is that, you know. That's what I was looking for. Right. In Amherst, I mean, again, we're dealing, I mean, insofar as we're trying to deal with it as within our community. And supporting the work of the, and then I agree. What is the name of the committee? The SSJ Community Safety and Social Justice Committee. And there's period. I like that. We want to add and exploring implementation of the goals put forward by the community safety working group. I think it's already been mentioned above. Right. I mean, as a specific, right. Up above in public, with the public safety. And public safety was the implementation of that program, but not the rest of the. Right. Part A and B. And now that I deleted that intro, that part's there. So let me see what I can do here. So, you know, though the town council hasn't endorsed them or taken any action on them, I think that we should. That's the problem. That's the problem. Because they have it. Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. Explore. Explore implementation or. Of the. Recommendations of the. Of that. Right. Yeah. I don't know. Do we have to. Say. Hey, putting in implementing recommendations is something we don't know what they are. Yeah. I'd rather say explore implementing the recommendations. And leave out that that may be adopted by the town council. Rather than saying. Implementing recommendations. Because I don't know. I don't know. Actually, I don't know which is better. I like it as we haven't voted them yet. It might get voted. And so we would expect him to implement the recommendations contained. Recommendations of. Or just contained in parts. Well, I would just say implementing the recommendations. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The recommendations. Contained in. The community safety working group reports that. May be. That are adopted. So the community safety working group no longer exists. Right. So it's the reports. Which are right here. Right. And it's whatever we adopt as a town council. Yeah. And so. I guess I'm about managing expectations here. I want to. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that are adopted by the town council because we haven't. And or. I mean, again, that's and a dime. I mean, it's, you know, what's again, of course he's going to implement it. So it's, if it's something specific, yes, but since we don't have anything specific, I don't want it here. Right. You know, there's nothing to do unless we adopt. It just doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. Whereas. One. Two and three. You know, there is a community safety justice committee. And we want him to, and he will support their work. There is an African heritage reparations assembly that will be making recommendations. And we want him to support their work. Right. This one is a future proofing this document basically so that we don't have to modify the document. If. I'd rather they modify it. I'd rather they, I mean, so everyone's just, I'm sorry. And for if adopted. No, I don't, I don't like that. You know, I. If it's adopted. Yes. If it's not, it doesn't belong in here. Right. It isn't adopted yet, but I, my concern is by not including it. It's sort of. Erases the fact that they ever existed, you know, different proposals that were made by the community safety working group. And so. Yeah, I'd rather just say explore them. Explore the recommendations. What, what about, what about explore and recommend to the town council. Exploring and making recommendations to the town council on the. See three, three was created in my understanding. The community safety and social justice committee was created. To ensure using their language. To ensure that. These recommendations were followed through on. So by doing three. Right. I mean, four is just sort of restating what. The mission of three is. Right. Is there something in. Not necessarily. I mean, I think it's important that the community safety and social justice committee is also to support the DEI director. And do some other things. No, no three says supporting the work of the community, safety and social justice committee, which is not just the community. I understand that, but that's part of what that's part of what their charges. So I'm under. I'm trying to understand what the point of four is. That doesn't promise more than it can deliver. But it does fall under. Racial equity and it's clearly super important to the, the, you know, former community safety working groups. What about this one? Yeah. The last time the council discussed part B report, the part B report, the council wasn't sure what it was supposed to do. That's right. Because part of it was we didn't have any guidance from the town manager. Right. Right. And so. If we word it this way. We're asking the manager basically to give us guidance regarding the actions. The recommended in the community safety working group reports. And make those recommendations. To help us figure out what. We need to do. Yeah. If you remember that matrix that was created, it was like, who does what? And we didn't know what to do with it. And so. Yeah, we haven't had an honest discussion about it. And we probably never will, at least not in my lifetime. It's going to be a future council. Right. I think, I mean, we'll have a forum. Or is it a public meeting, whatever the hell. TSO. We'll have it's December, whatever it is meeting. And that'll be the only time. I think that we'll actually have a chance to ask questions and, and listen to the public. So we haven't had. A discussion. About this in any real detail. And it's the council that manager looks to us and we look to him. And we're sort of in this. What if we just highlight this with a comment that says needs reworded. And discussed at town council. Yeah. I would prefer. I'd either like to have it. I'd either like to have it in there or have it out. Yeah, I would like to have it in myself. I'd like to have it out, but I may lose this vote. That's fine. But because I don't think I think it's just, it's verbiage. I don't know what to put in. Right. I agree with Darcy that we shouldn't just. Not have anything there yet. I don't know. I don't agree with that. I don't. Put stuff in here. We may lose. That momentum. And we may never discuss it. And we may never and, and. You know, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with where things have been left with those reports at this point. And so is that on the council to have a discussion or is that on the manager to do something? And I'm not sure which is it is. So. I think. I think having the, having something in this goal for the council to discuss. Whether that be that might read something like. Okay. Well, maybe just leave it the way it is. I'll see what happens. And just put a note that says. So why even exploring? It's just making recommendations to the town council. Regarding. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what actions recommended. I just. That's fine. And it, you know, it could be a simple George as. The town manager saying, you know, he, he likes the idea of a. Of a community center and suggest that we look at existing town buildings, like schools that are going to be vacated or whatever. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if there will be a new building, but, you know, I would personally, I would personally be just speaking for myself. I would like to see. A youth empowerment center. You know, something, you know, using, I mean, I think, I think that they're looking into it. Do we want to make that a specific goal? I would be for that personally. Do we want to make that exactly what we're saying here? No, this is, this is all of them. And so what George would say. Right. Right. Some of the recommendations I probably would support, but that one I would, but maybe that's the point. Make it vague because if we try to get specific, we'll have it, we'll have a huge debate. But I would love to see something like in the coming year. You know, in the coming years. I think we should be able to do it. Create. Institute, whatever. A youth empowerment center. There's my comment. Good. I think what do you think Darcy's, at least it will provoke discussion, hopefully. And, and however the council decides to go on it as the council's decision. Yeah, yeah. I think, does this meet the concern? I know Evan was quite outspoken And this does seem to be what I think he and others were hoping to see. I think this addresses with the reorganization of the whole goal addresses the concerns. Yeah. Yeah, what did Evan say? He just he was, he was, I don't know, he didn't use the word shocked, but he was distressed or whatever would be the appropriate word that you know because we just basically gave them the document without any major. I didn't know where's where's reparations where's. Yeah, I do remember that. No, and I heard him. I said, well, I haven't just wait for us to write draft to. I, what do you think I really like the beginning. I mean, you know, of all of this, I meant the beginning of this, people okay with this so it's taking out that all the other verbiage and just really honing in on what I thought was a very So how does it begin. I just, can we just Sorry, sorry, maybe. We're going to give it in black so everyone can read it. Now we begin with all the others. Let me just scroll up again, can you scroll up just a second go I think we begin with a to know that's the objective right we begin objectives with two. But I understand that. So I think it needs a little bit of rewarded to ensure you could say to ensure all community members feel and are a part of Amherst. Let's get to ensure all community members feel and are part of Amherst. Now we need to yeah. Members. To foster a community free of fear intimidation and violence and incorporate significant involvement of BIPOC residents and shaping policies and procedures, consistent with the town council with town council votes by. I mean, I don't want to lose that. I want to keep that beginning sentence but I want to fix it. What if we are just to ensure all community members are protected listened to and served by their public servants. Yes, that's I like that. To foster a community free of fear, intimidation, violence, incorporate significant involvement of BIPOC residents in shaping policies and procedures consistent town council consistent by Now I was just troubled by our puzzle by consistent with town council. It's in a weird spot. Yeah, that doesn't seem like an, you know, it's sort of like saying we want you to be at the table but we want you to be at the table after the town council. So it's really shaping policies and procedures by yeah, and is it is it shaping policies and procedures, particularly relevant to social equity racial equity and social justice I think that's what it means. Right. Yeah, I don't think, yeah, we don't need that. Good. Okay. No, I think we just can. Well, this is under that title, Mandy. Yeah, no, so I'm not sure we need it. I think Darcy is right. I think we can end up people want to add a consistent with votes I'm not sure we absolutely need. I don't think we need it. I think at this point we are articulating a fundamental objective. I think all counselors share. And then specifically to do that. DEI support the AHRA and the community safety and social justice committee, and then for we'll see what people think of that. Okay. So, all right, we're over time we're over time seriously we also have to be. This is one of my suggestions. Yeah, this is going to be a significant talk no matter whether we give them the council on Monday, the whole thing or just a first half or a second half. Maybe we want to have another meeting next week I know we're all hate adding meetings where we stop now we provide the council with the modified policy goals, which then cuts the discussion in half at the council to because they only have the policy goals to talk about. We deal with management goals next week which can then go to the council on the 13th for discussion. So we have left here that has been. We have all of the management goals, and a potential new goal because of comments and looking at my discussion my notes. Administration, the administration leadership and personnel has a lot of comments finance has a lot of comments. Community that all almost all of them had a lot of comments because they wanted things moved between different goals. Yeah, I agree maybe we don't have the time or energy tonight today to work our way through the second right. I mean and so we have an option of just start stopping now and saying here are the other ones. This is as far as we got. We'll get the next ones later, we have an option of continuing on which I don't think we want to do. We have an option of assigning one of us to modify the management goals in accordance with what things said but I don't just give any options. So that the whole document can go to the council but given the council agendas, the council is not going to be able to make it through the whole document in one night anyway given everything else to go and so if we split the council discussion up based on what we have now and then what we have in a week. It could work. Yes, and I think it also gives an opportunity for the time manager to weigh in. He would he would anyway I'm sure but if he wants to come and talk to us. I'm not sure that he needs to, but he would now have something. I told him look there's no point in coming today, because he's just going to watch us do it we just did. And that's, that's not good. But now he has something concrete so if he wants to come he could. But again next week we'll be doing the same thing with management goals. And he's still watching us wordsmith it in in real time. So, but we could take his, we could take his comments on the policy goals first and then wordsmith the management goals, after he needs, and then he still has a chance to weigh in on that. And does that still give the council time to I mean, these just need to be done by the end of December. So Lynn hope to have a vote on the sixth. Now it would be at the earliest to be the 13th. And we'd have to add a meeting next Wednesday to do that. Yeah, we'd have to have another G a while meeting. But this is a large agenda anyway so. Now I, we're not going to get through this today. That's for sure. And so I think that's the option I don't want you or me or Darcy or anybody sort of responsible for sort of you know trying to produce the second half of this document. And also we have the advantage of having Pat present right and maybe Sarah will come so it would be nice to have all five of us as we make our May through management. And I do think that while we have a great framework. And I think it shows. I think we all agree that this each year this is you got to really think hard about this. And it's GOL job. Yeah, you have to think hard about the numbers. We've got a framework now for the objectives, but not the specifics as to what we think can be accomplished in a year. Yeah. Good. So, Darcy, what do you think so we would send this document and say to Lynn, the first half of it council can discuss the second half we still have to meet and discuss. Yeah, I think that's fine. Okay, I'm sorry to add an extra meeting I, and I understand if people can make it. But I hope everyone can be there. Because I can see the finish line. And can you still send what we've done today to us. Yes. Once I save it and retitle it so it reflects what this meeting. I'll send it out to the whole committee and George, do you want me to just send it directly to Lynn and Athena. Yeah, I'll do it because I need to tell her what we did and just explain what we think we should she should do. So I'll send it just to the whole committee. That'd be great. I will send a cut a memo to her about it later this morning this afternoon. All right. Thank you both very much. Thank you. Thank you. So we've got the future agenda items. It's essentially going to be this. We do have an issue related to. What is it the Martin Luther King. And that could be next. I can put it on the agenda. We just need probably approve that. It's just for the sake of the new JOL committee. I don't think there's anything else. And then would that be a carryover then? That would be a carryover. Unless we're going to have this council voted, right? It depends on what agenda it's going to end up on for the council. Yeah, we have this council voted. So we can have this council voted on consent in December 20th or something. Exactly. Okay. So other than that, it would just be getting the second half of this document done. We've looked at everything else. Again, if you have any thoughts about what's going to go on SharePoint or anything that I'm going to be sending to the council for December 6th. Let me know, but the minutes I have looked at. I think they're fine. Do you want me just to send them? Do you want to just have a quick vote? What do you want to do? I'll just make the motion to approve. I moved to approve the November 17th, 2021 minutes. All right. I will second that motion. Thank you. And vote. The chair says yes. Darcy. Yes. And Mandy. Hi. Thank you. I will send those along to Athena. I will also send her, I will put the GOL meeting for next week. All right. That's it. And there's no public in attendance. Thank you for checking. Yes. Thank you all. All right. See each other. Thank you. All too soon. Thanks, George. Bye-bye. Thanks, Athena. Hi, George.