 This week on News 24, Israel under attack. News 24 in Spanish brings the analysis and information about the events of the war, Spades of Iron. Exclusive interviews and reports from the war zone, the reaction of the Spanish-speaking countries. News 24, the only medium in Spanish that keeps you informed and connected with the Latin community in Israel. News 24, only on I24 News. Welcome back. Staying with us as we continue our rolling coverage on day 45 of the war here in Israel. And without further ado, we want to head now live back to the Israel-Lebanon border. I24 News correspondent Pia Stegel-Bachadir. Pia, for the past 30 minutes or so, three rounds of red alert sirens are being heard across the border with Lebanon. The seventh time Hezbollah has at least claimed a responsibility for since morning hours. Right, Ellie, at least the seventh time. Exactly, we speak about three rounds of red alert sirens going off, twice in the area of the Eastern Apaganyli region, Kiryat Shmona, Margaliot, Manara. Twice red alert sirens within the past 40 minutes or so. And then also only a couple of minutes ago, sirens going off in Shlomi, which is located at the very western part of the Israel-Lebanon border. Now, when these red alerts go off, we do not immediately know if exactly rockets were fired or motor shells or anti-tank missiles. We might also be dealing with a combined attack that would not be unprecedented. Rockets being fired at the same time as motor shells and also aircrafts, foreign aircrafts. That is, for example, what happened yesterday. A number of foreign aircrafts entering Israeli airspace in midst of motor shelling. They were all downed by the Israeli military. Now the Israeli military is currently striking back towards the origin of these launches in Southern Lebanon, striking in several different regions in Southern Lebanon alongside the Israeli border. And that comes amid a very busy day. Also yesterday we've seen a number of attacks, both motor shells and anti-attack missiles were launched from Southern Lebanon towards different communities here in northern Israel. But these communities that have been targeted now within the last hour, Kiryat Shmona, Margaliot, Manara, and Shlomi, they're all communities that are located less than five kilometers away from the border. So civilians there have been widely evacuated already. But especially when we speak about the city of Kiryat Shmona, which is a major city in that area, 20,000 people, we know that there are civilians who decided to remain who decided to stay in their city, but that really shows you how dangerous and volatile the situation is. Not only, of course, do these motor shells or anti-attack missiles or even rockets pose a major danger to those civilians who remain in the area, but also to nature there, because they do cause major fire. These communities are separated from Southern Lebanon by a mountain range, foresty mountain range. So once these missiles come down, they do spark major fires in that area, and you can really already see them from afar. You can see from afar that this is a very, very active front. Of course, the IDF has also blocked major roads in that area to really lower civilian movement there, because again, this is an active scene there. Hezbollah has really stepped up the pace and the intensity of its attacks yesterday, today, also throughout the night, we've been receiving reports of anti-tank missile fire and motor shells, and this is something that we've seen really throughout recent weeks. They are all contained so far. The procedure is that Hezbollah is launching those motor missiles or anti-tank missiles. The IDF is retaliating with artillery fire. We've been also hearing that all throughout the morning from here, we're in the center, part of the Israel-Lebanon border, but you can really feel that the intensity and the pace of these scumishes, it is intensifying. Yes, and not just the northern front, as we speak, Red Sirens are being heard across Israel's southern communities, again, not the first time today. Piazak al-Baqon de Israel-Lebanon border. Thank you very much for this. Yes, many Israeli communities in the south are now under, are hearing the Red Siren alerts, Ashdod, Ashkelon, many other communities in that area. And we want to welcome now here in the studio of Mr. Daniel on former Israeli ambassador to the U.S., former Israeli deputy foreign minister. Thank you very much, Ambassador Ailon, for joining us. Well, I do want us to begin with the fallout of the dramatic revelations last night that the IDF spokesperson revealed to the world of what, some of what was found underneath the Shefa hospital there. And my question to you, Ambassador Ailon, is it tilting or shifting the discourse in Israel's favor globally, or is the sad truth is that not so much? Well, I hope so, to all those doubters. I think now it's beyond any kind of questioning that the Shefa was turned into a military, a terroristic operation base. And, you know, you have the proof, it's undeniable. And I'm afraid that, you know, early it's not the end of it because a lot has not been discovered yet. And we're still there ground, you know, there are layers under layers underground. And when they are found, it will be as shocking as what we have found so far. Whether it will change the discourse internationally, I'm not sure. There are those who are siding with Israel, those decent countries, those Western countries, which understand that here it's not just Israel against this monstrous Hamas, it's almost a war of civilizations. Between, some would say Judeo-Christian heritage, Western civilizations, peace-seeking justice and equality, and global geodists who seek only death and the mutilation of bodies and beheading of people who do not agree with them. And I believe those decent countries will continue to support Israel. And then you have the others, you know, Iran will not change its course, the Ayatollahs. Actually, they are the ones propelling this type of geodist movement and behavior. And then you have Arab countries that are on the fence because they're afraid to speak out. And you have China and Russia, which have strategic interest, very cynical, very hypocritical, I don't expect anything from them. And China, the center of the diplomatic attention today, very interesting Arab-Muslim delegation arriving in Beijing today. We will dive in further to that later on, but for now we want to head to the southern border, to the Israel-Gaza border. I-24 news corresponded, Pirkla Shendler standing by their pier, no less in 25 rockets being launched at Israel from north in the last few minutes, but also around of Red Alert sirens in the south. Right, we just saw the launching of those rockets a few moments ago, targeting the cities of Ashdod and Ashkelon in the south and almost south-center of the country. And the rocket alerts and the launching is going on since midnight, around nine salvos of rockets. One of them was in Sderot with four interceptions, we were just overhead. Now I want to show you what's going on because that's one of the focuses of this ground offensive today. This is the area of Betchanun, the Indonesia hospital. This hospital has been the prey of the IDF for quite a while, already four or five or six days of relentless bombing in the vicinity of the hospital, not on the hospital itself. But we know from seeing visuals from the Al Jazeera-Katari network that tanks are rolling in the hospital complex. And Palestinian media as affiliated to Hamas are saying now that they expect takeover by the IDF of the Indonesia hospital in Betchanun within the coming hours. Nonetheless, the fighting is still going on in different places of the northern sector of the Gaza Strip, especially in Jebalia, especially in Zaitun. Jebalia is a refugee camp just north of Gaza City. Zaitun is one of the neighborhoods close to the center of Gaza City. And three soldiers, it was announced by the IDF spokesman unit that three soldiers died in the fighting. We don't know exactly where. We heard also that the Nahal Infantry Brigade just took over the building of the court of justice of Hamas in Gaza City, one of the symbols of Hamas, another symbol after the Palestinian Legislative Council and different institutions of Hamas inside the Gaza City. At the same time, there is this unilateral humanitarian measure that is daily implemented in the Gaza Strip, such as the humanitarian corridor. There is a localized tactical break in the fighting in west of Rafah that lasted until just now, from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. local time. And there are also messages to the Palestinian population of four neighborhoods, Jebalia, Aldaraj and Zaitun to move away and join the court of displaced people that are moving south. We know that from the beginning, from the 5th of November, a week after the start of the ground offensive, over 3,360,000 people have moved south from the northern sector from the battleground. And in addition, in coordination with the Israeli government, the Hashemi Kingdom of Jordan has sent 40 trucks that are crossing the Rafah Terminal in order to establish a field hospital near Hanyunas in the central sector of the Gaza Strip, with 180 medical personnel, including doctors, obviously, from Jordan. I-24 News corresponded Pierre Colchandler on the Israel-Gaza border with the I-24 News team. Of course, they are on the ground. Thank you very much for this. Back here in the studio with Ambassador Dani Ayelon. Again, heavy, heavy, heavy bombardment of Israel's north, the ongoing situation there, and we are and will be getting all the updates from the ground later on in the conversation. But I do want us to focus for a second on what is happening in the south, or rather, the discourse surrounding what is happening in the south. Because according to polls in the US, 68% of the population is supporting a ceasefire. But is it possible that there is a misunderstanding of the terminology here, as in what does a humanitarian ceasefire or a full-on ceasefire means? What it means to pause the fire, rather to get to an ultimate ceasefire? Yes, Ali. I'm afraid that this is a very flippant way to look at the polls with such a question. Who is not for peace? Who is not for motherhood and apple? Who wants a better future? Exactly, apple pie and all that. So of course, ceasefire. But if you are going and digging down, who is for the eradication of the Nazi-type, ISIS-type Hamas? Then you would have 75% who are for that. When you say that ceasefire, it's basically just giving more oxygen to Sinoir and the Hamas so they can continue to fight and kill and slaughter. I think this will change the situation. So I think those polls are quite meaningless at this point, just like as those who are now trying to predict who will win the elections next year in the United States. Or here in Israel. Or here in Israel. Yeah, it's the same redundant game. But to that point, Ambassador Ayalon, and again, you're a veteran diplomat with a whole lot of diplomatic expertise and in the diplomatic game terminology matters. And this is why I would like to discuss Israel's terminology vis-a-vis the US at this point in time. There seems to be a discussion of no's. No to this and no to that. Israel setting boundaries, which is important, especially when you're under pressure. And yet, maybe when we're talking about day after plans, when we're talking about humanitarian efforts, maybe the terminology should change into a yes discourse. As in, what is Israel willing to do? What is Israel would like to see? Not just no to a militarized Hamas in the Gaza Strip? Of course not. But what is willing to say yes to, essentially? Absolutely, Ali. A negative diplomacy of saying no, no, no. It's not a diplomacy. It looks like stubbornness. It looks like almost, I would say, infantile, childish, childlike. And certainly, this is not how you conduct the affairs of a country. And certainly, you don't conduct this vis-a-vis your best friend and ally, the United States, who is so important right now for supporting our goals, which are shared goals, as in the United States, right, is to bring. And it doesn't mean that you're getting all namaste about things and talking about the global. You can't pose harsh conditions and harsh positions just with the different music. Absolutely. Yes, but diplomacy is all about yes, but it's a give and take. When the president, President Biden, is actually putting an article like he did yesterday in the New York Times about the new or revitalized Palestinian Authority, not just in Gaza, also in Judea and Samaria, this is something that Israel should not say no to. But we should just go down and bring it. What does it mean revitalize? Stopping supporting of terror, stopping financing of terror and terrorist families and terrorist themselves, changing the curriculum so you teach their children not to hate Israel. And if this is put in place, then there is nothing wrong with that. It's also serving our interests. This is the way you should conduct normal and serious affairs. So to use the ambiguity of the term revitalized at the moment and try to pour in the Israeli content into it. Just break it down. Exactly. What does it mean, revitalized? Yeah. And not just what it doesn't mean. And to that point, rather, while the diplomatic weight is naturally put on the West, at least one eye, should be looking at the East, because a Muslim Arab delegation is in Beijing today for high-profile meetings all surrounding the war here in the Middle East. So what is that this delegation want from China? And perhaps more so. What would China want to get in return? Here is what the Saudi Foreign Minister said earlier at this Beijing summit. There's no doubt that we're appreciative of the Security Council resolution issued during China's presidency. However, we still need more efforts and further cooperation. We're seeing more cooperation with our friends in China and in all responsible countries that are aware of the seriousness of the situation in order to work towards ending this crisis and this grave situation as quickly as possible. And we want to welcome now a geopolitical analyst, Dr. Anna Tochbel Gamaroma, joining Amatsura Yolona myself here in the studio. Dr. Haropa Gamarok, thank you very much for joining us. Well, I want us to start at the end. What would China want to see here? What is the ideal day after scenario from Beijing standpoint? So if you're going first of all, thank you for inviting me. I would say that first and foremost, China wants to differentiate itself from the Western support, main and first and foremost, the US support for the Israeli position. And if you look further, it wants to promote its interests in the Middle East. Although it has many, it wants to maintain its relations with most of the Middle East countries and despite, I would say, the Israeli strategic partnership with, I would say that it is very delicate and culture-stying for China to say that it does not condemn Hamas and does not even designate it officially as a terrorist organization. It consistently condemned Israel for violation of the international law as well as repeatedly called for the establishment of a two-state solution within the 1967 borders. However, and it's a big, however, we have to understand that China's support for the Palestinian cause remain mainly rhetorically. And still it doesn't want to interfere, to physically interfere in what's going on in the Middle East. It wants to attain to maintain the flourishing commercial ties with Israel, but it also wants to strengthen its connection with the Arab countries. This is why the invitation and this is what we see right now in Beijing. And it wants to gain lots of scores in this situation because it wants to expand and to strengthen its position, not only in the Middle East, but far away in the international arena. Yeah, and Ambassador Ayelon is listening to you, Dr. Hohbog Marom here in Suyo. And indeed, as Dr. Hohbog Marom just illustrated, China has forged great ties with Iran, with the Sunni-Ira powers with Israel. Can it really eat the baklava and have it too? Well, they're trying. Actually, what they have already achieved is that they are basically replacing Russia. In the past, they would have this kind of an influx of Arab diplomats in Moscow, not in Beijing. In the past, it would be Russia that may preside over a rapprochement between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Now we see the Chinese are using their economic power and logistical power to actually establish themselves as a main power in the Middle East, almost equal to the United States. And what they're trying to do is basically replace the United States. What they're trying to do is stop any Saudi-Israeli deal that would put a corridor, an open corridor, between India or Asia and Europe, so they can continue with their belt and roadways to basically control the waterways and international logistical ways. Yeah, follow the money as per always, or follow the money road, the money chain. And Dr. Hopam Om, the Chinese indeed, as Ambassador Alon was just saying, seemed to be keen in gaining some diplomatic credit points, if you will, in the Middle East, brokering the Syrian and Saudi rapprochement, countering the American influence in the region. Why are they taking the backseat now? Do they have any leverage that they can use in their favor? I would say that they do it very cautiously. They do want to expand their interest here. And as Mr. Alon just said, I do want to continue with this line and say that they don't only want to counter the US, and they don't want to replace the US here in the Middle East. They want to broaden their interest, their economic interest over here to defend, to secure the, they don't want to economically disrupt the petroleum supplies, as well as the international shipping routes. They want to secure all this stuff. But moreover, they want also to differentiate themselves here from Russia. And I repeat myself, they want to differentiate their position from Russia because they want to stabilize, they want to promote peace and peace for Middle East. They don't want to revolutionize all the area over here, which is the position, the Russian position. Yeah, they need to keep the area stable to an extent to allow them to pursue their actual physical geopolitical plans, Belt and Road, of course. And leverage their interest, their economic interest here in the Middle East. That's why they need it and they want very much to have a peaceful Middle East, although it sounds very ridiculous, the moment which could not, we could not bear it. As far as we are attacked in Israel, we cannot bear the situation that we sit aside and wait for something to happen because we are securing, we are defending ourselves. And from the Chinese point of view, it's other way around. They not only don't, not condemning Hamas, as I just mentioned, they don't want to interfere and they promote a ceasefire, which is a lot worse than expected from a partner like China that was in a very good conditions with Israel a month ago, even two months ago. Right, right. And before we let you go, Dr. Ramon, at the end of the day, the Chinese, what they really want to an extent is for the U.S. to get out of the Indo-Pacific. So what are the Chinese learning from the American action since October 7th here in the Middle East when it comes to the turf back home? I think I would even a little bit surprise you. They don't want the U.S. to get outside. They don't want the U.S. not to support Israel, but they want to counter the support and to say to the Muslims and the Arab countries that they want to expand its own interest here. It's not as opposed to or a counter to, but let's proceed the situation that was prior to the October 7th attack. China has lots of friendly relations and biased relations with many of the Arab countries and most of the Middle East countries here in the area. And they do want to proceed it and to enlarge it. They need the U.S. in order to secure its own security interests here in the Middle East because the military supplies comes mainly from the U.S. as China knows exactly, although it has a very substantial military capabilities and the tech race with the U.S. is going to proceed and even to expand. And yet it needs the U.S. here in the Middle East. This is why also Biden, Mr. Biden, President Biden, President Xi Jinping met last week in San Francisco. Nothing is going to vain over here. It is something that we have to take into account that we're in the process of a huge transition. And what was prior to October 7th is not what occurs currently. Yes, not here in the Middle East, not elsewhere around the world. Thank you very much. You're a political analyst, Dr. Anna Togba-Gamaroma. Pleasure to be speaking to you as per always. Thank you. Thank you. Back here in studio with Ambassador Danny Ayalon. Let's just circle back to the point you've made on the Russian standpoint because perhaps after the immediate shock here by the cruel Russian stance on what is happening here, we forgot about it a bit when it comes to detalking points. And yet speaking of what was the reality before October 7th and what will be the reality after, is not the same. When we talk about relations with Russia, can really never go back. Yeah, well, Russia has dug itself even deeper in this, I would say, in this axis of evil of Iran and North Korea and China is a little bit in the back when they're supplying all the financial and economic help, but Russia is deep in the waters. First of all, we have to admit that all, but all of the weapons of Hamas and Hezbollah are Russian-made and they're supplied either by Russia or by Iran. Russia was the main supplier of arms to Iran. To date, it's the other way around because- Just trading weapons, yeah. Right, because now the Russians, after their fiasco in the Ukraine, now their best friend that's supplying, sending them back arms are the Iranians. So you see their interests are diametrically opposed to Israel's and to the United States. They are not a friend. And I think that there's going to be a lot of reckoning after the war with tough talk vis-à-vis the Russians. Yes, a direct line between Kiev, Jerusalem, Taiwan, essentially all the same, the same war, different battlefield, the same war. Ambassador Danielon, you're staying with us, but we are taking a very quick break now when we get back all the updates from the ground from north to south and all the analysis here in studio. Day 45 of the war here in Israel, a few minutes, and we're back. Israel is in a state of war, families completely gunned down in their beds. We have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. There have been countless memorable moments broadcasting with I-24 news in the past six years. But for me, the one that stands out the most was the first time that I had ever personally heard a rocket siren sounding in Tel Aviv. And at that moment, we were live on air in studio. I will never forget the moment our senior producer said to me in my ear, the sirens are sounding in Tel Aviv. The control room is going to the shelter. With me in studio at the time were Michael Herzog, a former Brigadier General. Today, the Israeli ambassador to the United States and Austin Ostrowski, an international human rights lawyer. And their responses were completely different. Michael Herzog was calm and composed. And on the other hand, Austin Ostrowski was trying to phone his family and check in to make sure that his loved ones were okay. The camera that normally faces us was hoisted from above. There was an overhead shot of the three of us in the studio. You could see colleagues going to the shelter if you looked at the glass behind the studio. And obviously we lost contact with our team on the ground, our reporters in Ashkelon and all the witnesses that we were speaking to during that time. When rockets are coming towards a residential area, they don't distinguish between race, religion, political views, cultural views. They just intend to harm civilians. And that moment, being in studio, hearing those interceptions overhead was the most real coverage I have ever been involved in. Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us. And we want to stay within the diplomatic realm but shift the focus now to Latin America because big news are coming out of there today. Javier Emile won 55 to 45 against economic minister. Masen is now the Argentinian president. Yes, heavily campaigning on the issue of inflation. But on the sidelines of his campaign and now at the forefront of his victory, his unwavering support of Israel. Yes, chainsaws and Israeli flags were a part of the campaign, believe it or not, the Argentinian version of Donald Trump, some are suggesting when it comes to his support in Israel, there are no many questions here whatsoever. And this is especially interesting as we're talking about an area that is frequently anti-Israeli, Bolivia, Brazil, et cetera. So for more insight, let's cross now live to Berlin. Night 24, new senior contributor Damien Pachter is joining us. Damien, great to have you back with us. Even from afar, thank you for joining us. Well, tell us more about the Argentinian wild card now the president. Well, a huge surprise back there in Argentina. If you would tell me a year ago that this is going to happen, that we're going to have a Argentine broad Jewish, pro-Israeli openly, publicly support, you're going to have to ask me at least another time. So I believe it. So indeed, it's a chance that we see such a candidate, now president, openly speaking up about the relevance and the special bond, not only with Israel, but with the West. This is a person, Javier Belay, who is very openly for pro-market, which is something very weird in South America in general, not just in Argentina. So he's openly pro-market, openly pro-the United States, pro-West. And it's a very, very weird, but very interesting thing. Yes, and of course, words will or will not be backed with action, but previously even said that he was considering converting to Judaism, promising to relocate the Argentinian embassy to Jerusalem. It's truly an anomaly when we're talking about Latin American politics, and yet perhaps creating a domino effect. Is that even possible to dream about that? Well, I need to put a break there. I think it's too optimistic, but it's a start. It's a beginning. We had Bolsonaro in Brazil, then the thing shift into Lula da Silva, the workers' party, pro-left, anti, I wouldn't say anti-West, but more like self in the South American nook. But it's a good start. It's a good start because Argentina is the second between the top three, let's say, economies in South America, together with Mexico and Brazil. So it has not just diplomatic relevance, but also an economic option that opens up, not just for Argentina, but also for Israel, for the West. And there are a lot of countries, especially Western countries, that would like to see Argentina going back into the international sphere, into the international arena, and making efforts for diplomacy to help, let's say, the West case against the world. And Damien, before we let you go, in many countries around the world, now we're seeing this gap, often gap, between the administration's stance vis-a-vis Israel and the sentiment in the streets. It is an unfair question to use such broad terms on such a huge population. But what is the sentiment in the streets nowadays down there when it comes to the war here in Israel? Well, in general, mainly in most of South America, the people in the streets, the mainstream narrative that you will hear also in the media will mostly be for Palestinian and anti-Israel. And the reason for that is because the people in the street and the left parties in South America, they see Israel as the ally of the United States. And they put it all in one big bag of anti-colonialism, anti-imperialism. And therefore, there's always more support toward the Palestinians and the Arab world than to Israel and the United States. I, 24, use a senior contributor, Damien Pachter, joining us from Berlin. Thank you very much for this. Stay safe, Damien. Back here in Sudan with Ambassador Adani Ayelon. Ambassador Ayelon, it is no time to recap anything quite yet. There's still a long way to go. But those past few weeks have been eye-opening when it comes to Israel's diplomatic standing. Many notions or alliances that we felt as if are strong enough, honest, genuine, turn out to be the other around, and also some good surprises. Absolutely. And I think what we see especially is the, I would say, the generational divide. We see that the younger generation are almost instinctively against Israel and pro-Palestinians because they have fallen into this, I would say, intellectual trap. As if Israel is on the side of colonialism, imperialism, and the Palestinians are the indigenous people. And unfortunately, this notion has becoming more spread. And it was based also on a very intensive, provocative campaign of incitement that the Palestinians have been conducting, not now, just for the last four or five decades. And we see only the tip of the iceberg with the BDS from the river to the sea. Palestine will be free. But all those nuances for the younger generation is meaningless. I think they are just starry-eyed. This is what the cool kids do nowadays, under the perception. And I think we should not sit idle. I think there is a lot of work that can be done with it in the education system, not just in the United States, but throughout in Europe as well. And it also takes leadership. And I think so long as we will have governments which are continuing to support Israel for the interest of this Western civilization, this is what should be put into the heads of this younger generation so that understand that what they support, Osama bin Laden, Hamas, ISIS, they will be the first ones that will be killed by them. Exactly. The West and the rest, we used the term before October 7. And now we say the West is next. Unfortunately, this is the current state of affairs. But perhaps there is a silver lining that the illustration of the axis of good and axis of evil are becoming clear in a sense. I'm going to join Daniel on. Thank you very much for joining us on this broadcast. Pleasure to have you on, as always. Thank you. Now, I believe you became a synonym to the Me Too movement. No more he said, she said. Siding with women first and then only then maybe asking questions. But apparently, this is not just not applicable when we're talking about Israeli or Jewish women. It's the exact opposite. The brutal inhumane October 7 Hamas assault included, unfortunately, cruel rapes and sexual abuse and incomprehensible mutilation. Young teenagers, women, acts so vicious, the paper cannot even absorb the ink that will put them in writing. And where is the global sisterhood? The feminist movement? The women alliance? At best, silent, but chillingly enough, also engaging in false, active disproving of the horrors that happened. I believe you. If you're a Jew, it's I don't believe you. Take a look. Bought a crime? Yes. I was raped. So sorry. We are here to help. Tell us what happened. I was at a music festival. We heard gunfire and everyone was running. I started running and then he grabbed me. He yelled something in Arabic and then he ripped my. Sorry to interrupt you. You said he was yelling in Arabic. Yes. So he ripped my pants and then he just. Sorry, I just need a bit of background here. Are you Israeli? Yes. And your rapist was Palestinian? He was a Hamas terrorist. OK, just this is a bit awkward, but we can't help you. But I was a rape. Do you have any proof? Yes, he filmed it. Yes, hello, global police. Don't take it personally. The management decided that all violence against Israeli is legitimate resistance. So sorry. Her husband kidnapped. Please help. Sure, just before we get started, are either of you Israeli? On October 7th, a mass terrorist brutally raped Israeli women and children before murdering them. There is no justification for rape and sexual violence. Rape is not resistance. That's not the first, not the second, not the third time I'm watching this video and still every time I knew, it hits again. And this clip is part of a greater social media movement now, if you will, that is taking over and rightfully. So thankfully, that's the case. And we're joined here in studio by Nomad's strategy and development manager, who started the Me Too Unless You're A Jew campaign online. No, thank you very much for coming in studio first and foremost. How did it all start? Were you involved in women's activism beforehand? Or did it all start post October 7th? Well, me myself, I was involved with women's rights movements only when I was younger. And what happened to us on October 7th, I think it gave us all a push towards the understanding that we need to take care of ourselves. And our Me Too Unless You're A Jew online global campaign started by Daniel Ophick, our founder, right after October 7th. And it happened after women were brutally, I'm sorry to say this again, we've heard this brutally murdered, raped, abused, kidnapped, and are still being held hostage in Hamas hands in Gaza. And we targeted UN women as a sub-organization of the UN, which you would expect that as an organization that is globally protesting and defending women's rights all over the world, you would expect they would support Israeli women that were victims of Hamas as they do for the women in Gaza that are victims of Hamas. But unfortunately, this is not the case. This is not the case. And the hashtag Me Too Unless You're A Jew in some way, it encapsulates this situation that Israeli women's rights and Israeli women's bodies and souls and physical safety are not as precious as other women's. As simple as that, when it comes to Israeli or Jewish, their well-being is before everything else and after all else is political. There's this alliance of women. This global sisterhood simply does not exist when we're talking about Israeli women. How do you explain that? Unfortunately, we see this. We see that Israeli women, Jewish women are not as important to the global community as other women. And specifically, the UN women, they have only in their Instagram account 2 million followers, only in their Instagram account. And you can see that the coverage that they're providing in their Instagram account and other forms of publications are extremely one-sided and are causing huge damage for Israel. But specifically for the women that are still being held hostage in Gaza. And there's this ongoing debate, this frustration of trying to convince those who will never be convinced, those who have their twisted perception and will stay that way. And yet it is important not to give up the fight. What feedback are you getting on this online campaign? We get huge support. We got only in 24 hours hundreds of clicks and petition signatures. And it's still ongoing. And we need more support. We need support from the global communities. We need, obviously, financial support. And first and foremost, we want to give a message to the world that this is not Israel's problem. Because when the criminal, I'm sorry, the international criminal law is specifically saying that terrorizing women, sexually abusing women, is not warfare. And it's prohibited. And I don't expect Hamas, terrorists, Hamas animals to work with this statement, obviously. But I do expect women's rights organization. I do expect you and women to take a stand and try to do something when women are being vandalized like this. Yes, me too, unless you're a Jew for all our viewers who want to get your hashtag and support, they cause online. Just search at Instagram, TikTok, right? It's there. It's all over. And you can be part of spreading it. Noamat, strategy and development manager at MeToo, unless you're a Jew campaign. I can't believe I'm saying it, but these things need to be said nowadays. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for coming. And speaking to that point exactly, you might remember those sweet, smart, bright children of Kibbutz Berry that we brought to you, their stories last week. And this week, we want to bring your conversation with their mothers on the daily struggle trying to maintain some sort of a sane routine for the sake of their beautiful children and themselves and also their thoughts about the future near and far. Take a look. Are you able to sleep at night? A difficult question defines sleep. It's not. Let's just say it's not the same sleep as before October 7th. That's clear. You close your eyes and the thoughts come. And after one month already, you really feel the fatigue has been carried, being dragged day by day. I wake up a lot at night all the time. No nightmares. I just wake up. It's not. I don't care that I'm relaxing up maybe to sleep, but I agree with Shahon. The body is very tired. So how are you able to function during the day? There are the children. But what about you? On autopilot. No, not us. We don't have the privilege now to live our lives. We are here in survival mode for the children and for the abductees. It's both things. And every day is every day. Don't think ahead. Don't dream dreams. Get up in the morning. What am I doing today? I wear the abductees' shirt. I wear their necklace. And I promise my children that I am doing the best I can for them today, too. How did you stay 22 hours in the safe room? In anticipation of it being over. At my place, they vomited for three hours inside safe room. We didn't have bags then, a bedroom. So the two girls, it doesn't matter. Take a shirt, vomit into the shirt, throw the shirt aside. After it comes down a bit, and I see the WhatsApp group that they're shooting at the windows and shooting at the doors and at everything passing by. So we moved to stage B of hiding under the bed in the safe room, letting everyone in, including the dog. And you say, well, if they come in, they kill us all. So what's left for me to do? I wrote to my parents that we love them. I wrote to the other side, and you have nothing left to do. Just pray. And in moments like these, you manage to convey confidence to the children. You have no choice. We had some restraint, some calm, silence, deathly silence. Even the dog didn't bark. The only thing is that my body was shaking madly. I was shaking in a way that, and they said to me, mom, you are shaking. So I told them, it's from the air conditioner. I'm cold. I was busy all this time, keeping my little one from making a noise. She's a very bouncy girl, and she's very cowardish. Four and a half years old, and the truth is that the girl surprised me. All these hours, she kept quiet. Not once did she shout, not once did she cry. Beyond my conversation with Danny Kushma-Ho that they heard on TV, I told him, I cried to him and told him that terrorists were entering our house. So I was constantly busy with her. We've been here for three hours, and now they're trying to break into my house. Do you hear their voices? Yes, they're knocking on my door. You understand that it is in your thoughts all the time, and that it really is a trauma that they experienced that is present. It is present there. Every morning, the same questions, and every night, when you want to go to bed, the same questions. Why don't we sleep at night, the mothers? Because just before your child falls asleep, he asks you if there is a terrorist today. Is there a terrorist in the hallway? Did you lock the door? Maybe he will come through the window. It's really hard. It's showering them when you're standing in the shower with them. It's going into the bathroom with them. It's impossible to leave the hotel because the hotel is their home. And traveling anywhere, they don't feel safe. You feel the lump rising in your throat when you hold back from crying because you understand how hurt your child is and you want to be strong for him. And at night, as a mother, it comes out. I don't sleep because I think about everything they go through and how I can heal them. And what did I do to them? How did I bring them to this state? Is this a feeling that you really walk around with? Maro? Of course. I thought Berdy was the safest place in the world. Okay, some rockets, some this. You can live with it. But I brought him to, worst of all, he trusts me with his eyes closed that I will take care of him. I'm not sure that's what I did. I'm already in the safe room in the first hours. I promised my eldest that we will decide together where we live. I'm very... Because he told me, I'm not coming back here. I don't want to live here. I don't want to live in this country. He has also so many times experienced these rounds and he's the most anxious of all the children. What are the little things that you miss? Right. A house, cooking, home food. You know, even to open the refrigerator, just because at 11.30 p.m. I feel like something. And fold the laundry for yourself. Like, there really are several options for laundry here, but hey... People will hear that you miss a laundry load that would not understand what you're talking about. We were with friends in Tel Aviv at the weekend and it was so fun to sit for a second, fold the laundry for myself, do the laundry for myself. Small tasks. Brave, marvelous women. And now to this, the streets of London have been swept away by mass pro and mostly anti-Israeli demonstration those past weeks. But this weekend, the annual Mitzvah Day got an extra meaning of faith-based social action and charity work as Muslims joined the Jews in their good-making. Let's welcome now our Laura Marks, founder and chair of Mitzvah Day. Thank you very much, Laura Marks, for joining us. Well, let's begin with the basics because not all of our viewers are familiar. What is Mitzvah Day? Originally. Well, we... I'd love to be here. Thank you for having me. And we use the word Mitzvah in a very colloquial way as a good deed. And so it's a day of good deeds. And the idea on Mitzvah Day is that we all go out and we do something hands-on for a local charity and is used as a vehicle for Jewish peoples. It's Jewish led to invite our neighbors from other faiths and backgrounds and we say it's Mitzvah Day. Come on, we're going to go and collect food for a food bank or we're gonna go and clean up a park or we're going to go and visit people who are lonely or we're going to go to an old people's home. The pictures you're showing actually were from a school where a school had collected a lot of food for a local food bank. And the idea is that we bring people together through doing good. And what was so important this year? And it was something that the last woman on your previous feature just talked about was the importance of doing something normal. Something that we regularly do. And she talked about cooking dinner for her family. Well, what do the faith communities normally do in this country or anywhere else in the world? We give back. We do good deeds. We feed people who are hungry. We clothe people. We welcome refugees. That's what faith communities do. And as you can see on all of these images, we, these are normal things that faith communities do. And you also saw this a Muslim woman. She's that woman is actually the head of a mosque in North London. And with tensions between the different faith communities here and are very tense and anti-Semitism, as you're all hearing about unrecorded ever levels before, we need to get out there with our neighbors and we need to do something that is normal and giving back and the sort of things that we do as an antidote who like to all of the hatred that's out there. And to that point, exactly. Was it difficult this year to persuade the Muslim neighbors to join or was it perhaps even easier? I think it was probably challenging. There's such a different narrative going on between most Muslim people. It's very easy to generalize, but the narrative about what's going on in the war on the whole is quite different. And what we've had to do is in order to build those relationships or to maintain those relationships actually is to say, Mitzvide is not about politics. Mitzvide is about bringing people together because if we lose those relationships during the course of this war, if we lose it, we will take years to rebuild them. And we have to focus on what we do that we agree on. And what we really agree on is the role of the faith communities in giving back, the role of faith communities in being an integral part of society. It's different in the diaspora because the faith communities is not the same. It's not integral to the lives that you're Jewish clearly. There's only 270,000 Jews here. So we have to be clear that we're out there giving back which is what we do anyway. And not to hide, to be out and present and to give back. And this is amazing that especially in times of need as the Jewish community is in need nowadays, all over the place, the sense of normalcy, as you've put it, Laura Marx, is to give back. When you're in need, you're giving back. This is what Jewish culture is all about. Laura Marx, founder and chair of Mitzvide, thank you for putting a smile on our faces. This is it from us. We continue our coverage at the top of the hour. Thanks for watching. A state of war, families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. Breaking news edition, I'm Vanessa Levine coming to you live from Tel Aviv. Today is World Children's Day, celebrated in many parts each year to promote awareness and to improve the welfare of children across the globe. There are no celebrations in this part of the world on this day when the focus of the nation is on the hostages being held by Hamas, including 38 children. The youngest, 10-month-old Kfir Bibas, he was nine months old when he was abducted during the terror onslaught on the 7th of October. Plus reports of a newborn, a child born to a Thai woman in captivity in recent days. At this hour, there are 236 known hostages inside Gaza. The International Red Cross has still not been able to get access to them in the past six weeks. Many relatives still don't know if their loved ones are alive. Families of the hostages are meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu and the war cabinet on Monday evening, hoping that the prime minister can help secure their freedom amidst reports of a deal being broken by Qatar. The US has also said to be involved in these negotiations, which are said to include a pause of a few days to allow for the release of some of the hostages. Meanwhile, Red Alert siren sounding in the south and in the north earlier, day 45 of the war with rocket fire out of the Gaza Strip and out of southern Lebanon. Inside Gaza, fighting is intensifying, including near the Indonesian hospital with three more soldiers killed, bringing the Israeli death toll during the retaliatory ground incursion to 66. The Hamas run health ministry in Gaza, saying thousands of Gazans have been killed, but these numbers have not been independently verified. And it's not clear how many of those killed are terrorists. Senior defense correspondent Jonathan Ragev has more on the latest developments. Israeli ground forces entered Gaza from three different directions, the north from the east and from the south here, thus encircling the Gaza Strip from three different directions, the fourth direction being this one, the Mediterranean Sea, where the Israeli Navy operates. Everything in green are areas taken over by the Israeli army, but there's still enclaves here of Hamas control. Neighborhoods notorious for terrorism. Jabalia, Sheikh Radwan, N is a town for example, and this is now where the fighting takes place. Israeli forces closing in on these neighborhoods exactly. This is probably the place where rockets were fired towards central Israel over the weekend and the rocket fire, which has decreased dramatically towards central Israel, will probably decrease even more once these areas are taken over. That's as far as the neighborhoods are controlled, but let's remember there are hospitals, Shifa Hospital on the western part of Gaza City, closer to the Mediterranean, and here not so much fighting, but a lot of Israeli activity to disclose exactly what is under the ground, under the Shifa Hospital, the tunnels, the security cameras and all of the terror infrastructure under the Shifa Hospital to the north, to the area of Bet Hanun, where the Indonesian hospital is as well. Israel is hoping to uncover also the underground activity there, probably tunnels, probably terror infrastructure, as we've seen the hospitals in Gaza, the Indonesian hospital, the Shifa Hospital, and many, many others are not only there to save lives or also headquarters for those who want to take lives. Senior Defence Correspondent Jonathan Regev. Now let's find out what is happening on the ground. We go live to our correspondent, Peir Kloshendler. He joins us from southern Israel. So siren sounding in Ashdod a short while ago and earlier in Kisufim and other border communities, also fighting, intensifying inside Gaza, IDF stepping up airstrikes. What is the latest, Peir, on either side of the border fence? Right, an hour ago there was a salvo of rocket launching that we saw from Sderot where we were earlier, and the rockets were targeting the city of Ashkelon, which is in this direction very close from where we are, and the city of Ashdod, but there's no reports of damage nor casualties. Now, regarding the operation, Jonathan summarized it pretty well. The focus is in three targets, the Indonesia Hospital, Jibalia Refugee Camp, where fighting has been ongoing for three days, and the Zaitun neighborhood of Gaza City. Also, the fighting there has been going on for three days, but at the same time, there is still that unilateral Israeli humanitarian efforts. The corridor is open since the 5th of November, a week after the start of the ground invasion. Since then, over 360,000 Palestinians displaced themselves from north to the southern Gaza Strip, in addition, in coordination with the Israeli government. The kingdom, the Hashmat kingdom of Jordan, is sending 40 trucks, 118 medical personnel to establish a field hospital in the central part of Gaza City, in Hanyunis, and the crown prince, Hussain, is in El-Arish in order to supervise the transfer of all that medical aid, but that was in coordination with the Israeli government. Thank you so much. Correspondent Pierre Kloschenke live from southern Israel. Thank you, Pierre. Meanwhile, far-right leader, Itamar Brengevere is moving to advance the death penalty law for terrorists. Tensions flaring during a hearing of the National Security Committee, an altercation breaking out between members of the far-right Jewish power party and relatives of the hostages held by Hamas. The families are outraged at the proposal for the death penalty for terrorists. Worried that such a move could have serious repercussions for the hostages, coalition chair Orfea Katz saying the vote will not take place before it's been debated in the security cabinet. Let's take a listen to more from earlier in the day. Are you ready to deal with the death penalty for terrorists while those souls are inside? I mentioned here only five out of 240 abductees, including one few weeks old baby. You keep telling us not to fall into their hands. How do you keep falling into their hands? There will be the time for that later. The Eichmann trial happened afterwards, not in the process when there is someone else to put at risk. You are our elected representatives. You were chosen to represent us, represent me, represent her. They didn't do anything wrong. First thing, you have no mandate on pain. We also buried over 50 friends. Second thing, if you want us to listen to you, speak up. Don't be fooled by petty politicians who come to take advantage of you. Speak. I listen to you. But you have no mandate on pain. My friend who was kidnapped is still in Gaza. His family hasn't heard from you once. Friends, you want to have an effective discussion? Talk. And now for more on the security situation, we welcome to studio retired Colonel Dr. Jacques Neria, former deputy head of assessment in the Israeli military intelligence and former foreign policy advisor to Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabinjak. Thank you so much for being here on this day. So much at stake right now. Clearly emotions are high as we heard right now, but the heart of the whole nation is on the hostages and the families of the hostages waiting for word on exactly what could be transpiring your take on exactly what is happening. You know, I'm very much pity the families. They're on a rollercoaster. They're called so incredible. They're fed by the press, fed by the media, fed by politicians who are interested in getting some audience. And this is really wrong. I remember I was part of the negotiations concerning Ron Arad and others. And it was far away from the limelight, far away because you had a wall between you as an operative and the families. You just don't mix. And here everybody wants to take advantage of the situation and to show that he's active and he's there, he's real. So the proof is that this law, which has no place in our legislation because there's already legislation concerning the death penalty in the military. So we don't need that. The question is that we don't apply it. This is something else. So I believe that we are in a position where lots of noise is being heard concerning the deal or the so-called deal brokered by Qatar. We have to be very careful. Qatar is not exactly a pro-Israeli participant. Very clearly as opposed to Hamas leaders. Yeah, they are the ones who fed Hamas. They are finance Hamas. Hamas is in fact, lives because of them. And I think that we are in a symmetric situation where we care for life and they care for death. So they don't care if the people would be in our jails for 10, 15 years. We care for that. We want our people immediately now and even yesterday. So in this situation where the inequality exists between us and them, we are the demanders and they are the providers. And since they are the providers, they are the ones who are conditioning the price. And the price right now is such that if there is a deal right now, if there is a deal and I don't know, but if there is a deal knowing our partners, knowing our Arab enemies, take it now. Take it because as long as it's available because it won't be again the next day or the day after. The Wall Street Journal is citing Egyptian officials saying Israel is meticulously verifying a list of possible Palestinian prisoners to ensure none of them are connected to Hamas. What do you make of the possibility of Palestinian prisoners being freed? It's happened in the past with very worrying repercussions. Right now we're talking about 50 women and mothers and children. And we're talking about 150 Palestinians, kids and women. And those kids and women that are in our jail are not saints. They did sabotage. They did terrorist acts. And so they were condemned by law here in Israel. And we have to release them. We are already talking about 150. But let us remember that the basic equation that Hamas wanted is all in return of all, meaning 246 hostages. And in return they want 6,000 at least of their prisoners who are in our prison, which is an impossible equation at this moment. But at the end of the day, I don't know if this government, under the pressure of the street, who's biting and under the pressure of politicians will not abide and say, okay, let's do it. But I don't know if at this stage or when we are in the next stage, when the sword will be nearer to the neck of Anwar Sinwal. 38 children in captivity amongst those hostages. Jacques, stay with us. We've got much more to discuss. But right now let's find out what is happening up in the north. Our correspondent Pierre Stekelbach joins us from northern Israel. And Pierre, rocket siren sounding in Kyriakshmona earlier. Other border towns also close to Lebanon. Also Hezbollah rocket fire continuing out of the south. Extensive damage at the IDF's Biranit base in northern Israel earlier. What is the latest update? What can you share? Rabanita, this has indeed been a very eventful day about 25 minutes ago. Sirens going off in the communities of Avivim, Baram and Yaron. Sirens that are warning of a possible foreign aircraft infiltration there. Now this comes after rocket sirens were ringing in several communities this morning throughout the morning. In fact, in different locations alongside the border you mentioned Kyriakshmona. Kyriakshmona, Margaliot and Manara. These are three communities that have been targeted this morning in the very eastern part of the Upper Galilee region. But also Shlomi, which is located in northern Israel, Lebanon border. Now we speak about at least 25 launches. This is according to the latest Israeli army statement that were launched from southern Lebanon. This entails both mortar firing also anti-tank missiles and as Hezbollah says also rockets. Hezbollah says that it has launched at least two rockets towards the community of Kyriakshmona. This comes also as you mentioned after sustainable damage has been caused to the Israeli army outpost in very early morning hours by mortar shells as far as we know. So we always speak about these weapons in a very technical way. But the damage that has been seen at these army outposts not causing any casualties but that really shows what a potential for damage these mortar shells have. Now in addition to that the latest Israeli army statement said that throughout the day three unidentified foreign aircrafts entered Israeli airspace again not causing any casualties. The UPS system was disabled. This is something that Israeli security forces do many times when the northern front is seating up to enable basically the drones coming from southern Lebanon to orient themselves which is also of course causing residents here in the north to have trouble finding their way here on the road but this is something that we've seen quite a lot in this war in this mini war that has evolved here on the northern front. Also yesterday was a very busy day with many attacks both entailing anti-tank missiles and mortar shots from different communities here in southern Israel and Isabella claiming responsibility for a number of these attacks. Israel striking back with artillery towards these origins of these launches again in several different areas alongside the Israel Lebanese border on the Lebanese side there. Pia you talk about residents in those northern communities give us a sense of course many have evacuated in recent weeks give us a sense of the numbers of people that are still there close to the border what you are describing right now. Benita in terms of numbers it is very difficult to say there are dozens of communities that have been evacuated those who are in a proximity of about 5 kilometers to the Lebanese border but you will always have people who are not willing to leave their homes because they do not know when they will be able to go back this is also a region that is known for its agriculture so many farmers here who make a livelihood off of crops and farming they are not willing to leave their communities are also those who work in the security forces who are there to guide their communities so even though we speak about communities such as Manara Margaliot which have been continuously targeted there in the upper eastern part of the Galilee region or also Shlomi that has been targeted today there are almost a lot of civilians but there still are some remaining and especially when we talk about the city of Kiryat Shmonad this is a city of 20,000 residents about 5 kilometers away from the border 2,000 people remain there in that city and they are majorly endangered by that constant fire of both motor shells and anti-tank missiles it is recommended for them to immediately evacuate to immediately leave but again you will always have people who are not willing to leave their home without knowing exactly when they will come back and this is something that many of those evacuees have demanded from the Israeli security military establishment because the threat that Hezbollah poses there sitting on the Israeli border will also persist after the war and it has been there also before this war started so Hezbollah is something that kept those residents here on high alert before the war and it will probably also do so after the war now although these scumishes between Israel and Hezbollah have so far been relatively contained this is a very active front there is a lot of tension here and it is a very volatile scene here Thank you so much correspondent Pierre Stekelbach live from northern Israel thank you for the update stay safe and now for more still in studio retired colonel Jacques Neria and Jacques you of course know that part of the region particularly well what do you make of what is at play here right now I'm not going into the details now that Pierre has told us all the details I only I would say that we are at war right now with Hezbollah now Hezbollah is facing a riddle he is not able to solve the problem of the obstacle that Israel has put in front of him and the deployment the defensive deployment which has an element of attack on Hezbollah has in fact been impossible for Hezbollah to overcome at the beginning Hezbollah thought that by deploying forces vis-à-vis the northern border by evacuating the people this would be a great achievement from his point of view but the fact is that Israel is standing fast and he needs now Hezbollah needs now to drag Israel into the war because as it is today it is not helping the Hamas at all so they want to they are all the time intensifying the strikes they are intensifying their intrusion into Israeli territory by aircraft and by by rockets in order to create a situation where Israel will have no choice but to intervene by intervening Israel will have to fight on two fronts and this is what Hezbollah wants to do we keep on hearing about targeting specific IDF bases is Israel equipped to deal with what you've described an escalation on both fronts at the same time? I think that Hezbollah might feel the crux if Israel begins to answer as in an open war right now it's a limited war we are in a low intensity conflict from our point of view we are holding on as the situation is today in order to finish the business we have with Hamas once this is done we will deal with Hezbollah Hezbollah knows that in order to pre-empt that he is trying to drag us into the war he thought at the beginning that by paralyzing us by paralyzing those in the region and bringing huge idea forces on the border he would in fact contribute to the war effort of Hamas at all because what we have in the south is enough to crush Hamas and this is what's happening Talking about the efforts to crush Hamas inside Gaza what do you make of the IDF evidence that we are seeing with increasing regularity videos recently of hostages being dragged forced into Sheifa hospital those images went viral and yet there are people who are still questioning exactly what is unfolding what do you make of the evidence that Israel is able to provide and the response to that evidence We are facing the axis of evil I mean it's not only anti-Israel it's anti-Semitic it's anti-Jewish you can see but by the mere fact that they are accusing us Israel is being accused of the ones who has killed all those participants in the NOVA festival this is crazy absolutely how can you cope with other lies at the intelligence we know exactly from very hard information intelligence that those hospitals 35 hospitals has been used by Hamas in order to provide for them shelters underground shelters, underground control rooms this is where they fight and they conduct their war the more we go inside Sheifa and like in Rantisi hospital like in other places we will find proofs and we will show the proof the problem is that you can show the proof but nobody will admit that they will say always that you have put that in place in order to create a situation where even though when it comes to the music festival specifically and this is the part that just is beyond ludicrous that footage was taken by Hamas it is Hamas terrorist who filmed the atrocities that unfolded and yet as recently as yesterday the Palestinian authority claiming that actually Israel was behind it go and look at the verified footage that Hamas itself made go viral and then let's take a look at what really happened from the autopsy of the late soldier Marciano we know that she has been executed she was not wounded by shrapnel of an Israeli bombing we know that she was taken alive from the place where she was kept and that she was taken inside Sheifa and there in the Sheifa hospital she was executed so this is the kind of animals we are treating with very briefly we don't have much time left the pause that has been discussed around this potential hostage deal which we discussed earlier on in the broadcast is said to be around three to five days how does this Hamas's ability to regroup very briefly very quickly five days it will be enough for them to reorganize and to reconnect with all those units that they have lost control of in the north and in the center and I think that they must be ready now for the orders that have been given by the chief of staff concerning the army and telling them the direction is southwards retired colonel Dr. Jacques Nariah I always appreciate you being here in studio thank you so much for your insights as always thank you Jacques and now turning our focus to southern Israel again Kibbutz near Oz a quarter of the community there were killed or abducted on the 7th of October six weeks later and some of the residents came back to take a look at their homes our Orisha Perra has more in this report this is the collection of my parents they brought it from different places a month and a half after the Hamas onslaught residents of southern Israel are picking up the pieces this house in Kibbutz near Oz belong to the Rubin family who managed to escape the horrific attack and survived here four people of our family were hiding they hid here for two hours my mother was born during the holocaust her family hid she got here when she was a child it all comes back several residents of near Oz came back to the Kibbutz to collect their belongings among them was Avi Zichri whose wife and nine year old son were kidnapped together Ahad, Karen Grandma and Grandpa all of them were here in the safe room the terrorists came here and took them without any fight the grandfather is very weak and can barely see we got a message from the grandfather we can't speak 38 members of the Kibbutz were murdered on October 7 and 75 were abducted around quarter of the population of this small community here in the Kibbutz dining room a tribute to the hostages and fallen was laid the empty mailboxes have stickers red for those who were murdered black for those who were abducted a few blue ones who were released we met the son of one of them was one of the few hostages set free his father Rodead is still being held in Gaza it's very hard to return here it's my childhood home every house tells a story here we can see three houses of abducted people here here we see the house of someone I've known for my entire life a classmate his father was murdered Kibbutz near Oz was established in 1955 and was a collective community until recent years in the center of the Kibbutz we can find the beautiful ecosystem garden this garden called the green point contains rare trees which were brought from Australia and designed to grow in desert conditions designer of this place called the green spot is Ron Pauker who lost his brother in the massacre during the winter the garden will survive also without special care and I hope that till the spring we'll reclaim all of this the garden I'm not worried about the garden though some residents say they are willing to return to the Kibbutz Hadar who left the Kibbutz 27 years ago says that she doesn't think all the residents will come back but she is fully committed to her home I think that this harsh event that we all went through proved to all of us how much we all belong to the same place we speak the same language we are a community even if we don't live here anymore in the last month I became really proud to be a part of this place it is such a beautiful place we are not tired from the long road we are paving the way this slogan is written on the huge flag outside of the dining room but only time will tell what the future of Kibbutz near Oz will be and that report from our Uri Shapira and he was at Kibbutz near Oz thank you Uri and with that we wrap up this edition of our breaking news coverage I'm Benisa Levine in Tel Aviv our rolling coverage continues shortly stay tuned thank you for watching Israel is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where she is on the front lines but the general perception it's something that certainly needs to to be fought as well from Israel with dozens of correspondence throughout the world brings the truth from Israel to hundreds of millions of people in scores of countries completely done down in their beds from Israel state of emergency and war in Israel bringing Israel's story to the world i24 news channels now on hot breaking news edition i'm Benisa Levine coming to you live from Tel Aviv today is world children's day celebrated in many parts each year to promote awareness and to improve the welfare of children across the globe there are no celebrations in this part of the world on this day when the focus of the nation is on the hostages being held by Hamas including 38 children the youngest he was 9 months old when he was abducted during the terror onslaught on the 7th of October plus reports of a newborn a child born to a Thai woman in captivity in recent days at this hour there are 236 known hostages inside Gaza the international Red Cross has still not been able to get access to them in the past 6 weeks many relatives still don't know if their loved ones are alive families of the hostages are meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu and the war cabinet on Monday evening hoping that the prime minister can help secure their freedom amidst reports of a deal being broken by Qatar the US is also said to be involved in these negotiations which are said to include a pause of a few days to allow for the release of some of the hostages meanwhile Red Alert siren sounding in the south and in the north earlier day 45 of the war with rocket fire out of the Gaza Strip and out of southern Lebanon inside Gaza fighting is intensifying including near the Indonesian hospital with three more soldiers killed bringing the Israeli death toll during the retaliatory ground operation to 66 the Hamas run health ministry in Gaza saying thousands of Gazans have been killed but these numbers have not been independently verified and it's not clear how many of those killed are terrorists senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev has more on the latest developments Israeli ground forces entered Gaza from three different directions the north from the east here thus encircling the Gaza Strip from three different directions the fourth direction being this one the Mediterranean Sea where the Israeli Navy operates everything in green are areas taken over by the Israeli army but there are still enclaves here of Hamas control neighborhoods notorious for terrorism Jabalia Sheikh Radwan N is a town for example and this is now where the fighting takes place Israeli forces closing in on these neighborhoods exactly this is probably the place where rockets were fired towards central Israel over the weekend and the rocket fire which has decreased dramatically towards central Israel will probably decrease even more once these areas are taken over that's as far as the neighborhoods are controlled but let's remember there are hospitals, Shifa hospital on the western part of Gaza city closer to the Mediterranean and here not so much fighting but a lot of Israeli activity to disclose exactly what is under the ground under the Shifa hospital, the tunnels the security cameras and all of the terror infrastructure under the Shifa hospital to the north to the area of Bed Hanun where the Indonesian hospital is as well Israel is hoping to uncover also the underground activity there probably tunnels, probably terror infrastructure as we've seen the hospitals in Gaza the Indonesian hospital, the Shifa hospital and many many others are not only there to save lives or also headquarters for those who want to take lives Senior Defense Correspondent Jonathan Regev now let's find out what is happening on the ground we go live to our correspondent Pierre Kloshendler he joins us from southern Israel so siren sounding in Ashdod a short while ago and earlier in Kisufim and other border communities also fighting intensifying inside Gaza, IDF stepping up airstrikes what is the latest Pierre on either side of the border fence right an hour ago there was a salvo of rocket launching that we saw from Sderot where we were earlier and the rockets were targeting the city of Ashkelon which is in this direction very close from where we are at the city of Ashdod but there's no reports of damage no casualties now regarding the operation Jonathan summarized it pretty well the focus in the focus is in three three targets the Indonesia hospital Jebalia Refugee Camp we're fighting has been ongoing for three days and the Zeytun neighborhood of the city also the fighting there has been going on for three days but at the same time there is still that unilateral Israeli humanitarian efforts the corridor is open since the 5th of November a week after the start of the ground invasion since then over three 160,000 Palestinians displaced themselves from north to the southern Gaza Strip in addition in coordination with the Israeli government the Hashmat kingdom of Jordan is sending 40 trucks 118 medical personnel to establish a field hospital in the central part of Gaza City in Hanyunis and the crown prince Hussain is in El-Arish in order to supervise the transfer of all that medical aid but that was in coordination with the Israeli government Thank you so much Correspondent Pierre Kloschendler live from southern Israel Thank you Pierre Meanwhile, far-right leader Itamar Ben Gavir is moving to advance the death penalty law for terrorists tensions flaring during a hearing of the National Security Committee an altercation breaking out between members of the far-right Jewish power party and relatives of the hostages called by Hamas the families are outraged at the proposal for the death penalty for terrorists worried that such a move could have serious repercussions for the hostages coalition chair of Pierre Kloschendler saying the vote will not take place before it's been debated in the security cabinet let's take a listen to more from earlier in the day Are you ready to deal with the death penalty for terrorists while those souls are inside I mentioned here only 5 out of 240 abductees including one few weeks old baby you keep telling us not to fall into their hands how do you keep falling into their hands there will be the time for that later the Eichmann trial happened afterwards not in the process when there is someone else to put at risk you are our elected representatives you were chosen to represent us represent me, represent her they didn't do anything wrong first thing you have no mandate on pain we also buried over 50 friends second thing if you want us to listen to you speak up don't be fooled by petty politicians who come to take advantage of you speak, I listen to you but you have no mandate on pain my friend who was kidnapped is still in Gaza his family hasn't heard from you once it's been an effective discussion talk and now for more on the security situation we welcome to studio retired colonel Dr. Jacques Neria former deputy head of assessment in the Israeli military intelligence and former foreign policy advisor to prime minister Yitzhak Rabenjak thank you so much for being here on this day so much at stake right now clearly emotions are high as we heard right now is on the hostages and the families of the hostages waiting for word on exactly what could be transpiring your take on exactly what is happening well you know I'm very much pity the families there on a rollercoaster incredible, fed by the press fed by the media fed by politicians who are interested in getting some audience and this is really wrong I was part of the negotiations concerning Ron Arad and others and it was far away from the limelight far away because and you had a wall between you as an operative and the families you just don't mix and here everybody wants to take advantage of the situation and to just show that he's active and he's there he's real so the proof is that this law which has no place in our legislation because there's already legislation concerning the death penalty in the military so we don't need that the question is that we don't apply this is something else so I believe that we are in a position where lots of noise is being heard concerning the deal or the so called deal brokered by Qatar we have to be very careful Qatar is not exactly a pro Israeli participant because Hamas leaders they are the ones who fed Hamas finance Hamas Hamas is in fact because of them and I think that we are in a symmetric situation where we care for life and they care for death they don't care if the people will be in our jails for 10-15 years we care for that we want our people immediately now and even yesterday so in this situation inequality exists between us and them we are the demanders and they are the providers and since they are the providers they are the ones who are conditioning the price and the price right now is such that if there is a deal right now and I don't know but if there is a deal knowing our partners knowing our enemies take it now take it because as long as it's available because it won't be again the next day or the day after the Wall Street Journal is citing Egyptian officials saying Israel is meticulously verifying a list of possible Palestinian prisoners to ensure none of them are connected to Hamas what do you make of the possibility of Palestinian prisoners being freed it's happened in the past with very worrying repercussions right now we are talking about 50 women and mothers and children and we are talking about 150 Palestinians and women and those kids and women that are in our jail are not saints they did sabotage they did terrorist acts they were condemned by law here in Israel and we have to release them we are already talking about 150 but let us remember that the basic equation that Hamas wanted is all in return of all meaning 4036 hostages and in return they want 6000 at least of their prisoners who are in our prison which is I mean an impossible equation at this moment but at the end of the day I don't know if this government under the pressure of the street who is biting and under the pressure of politicians will not abide and say okay let's do it but I don't know if at this stage or when we are in the next stage when God will be nearer to the neck 38 children in captivity amongst those hostages Jacques stay with us we've got much more to discuss but right now let's find out what is happening up in the north our correspondent Pierre Stekelbach joins us from northern Israel and Pierre Rocket Siren sounding in Kiryat Shmona earlier other border towns also close to Lebanon also Hezbollah Rocket Fire continuing out of the south extensive damage at the IDF's Biranit base in northern Israel earlier what is the latest update what can you share Robinita this has indeed been a very eventful day about 25 minutes ago with Sirens going off in the communities of Avivim, Baram and Yaron Sirens that are warning of a possible for an aircraft infiltration there now this comes after Rocket Sirens were ringing in several communities this morning throughout the morning in fact in different locations the border you mentioned Kiryat Shmona Kiryat Shmona Margaliot in Manara these are three communities that have been targeted this morning in the very eastern part of the Upper Galilee region but also Shlomi which is located at the very western end of the Israel Lebanon border now we speak about at least 25 launches this is according to the latest Israeli army statement that were launched from southern Lebanon this entails both mortar fire and also anti-tank missiles and as Hezbollah says also rockets Hezbollah says they launched at least two rockets towards the community of Kiryat Shmona this comes also as you mentioned after sustainable damage has been caused to the Israeli army outpost of Biranit this morning in the very early morning hours by mortar shells as far as we know so we always speak about these weapons in a very technical way but the damage that has been seen at these army outpost not causing any casualties but that really shows what a potential for damage these mortar shells have so that the latest Israeli army statement said that throughout the day three unidentified foreign aircraft entered Israeli airspace again not causing any casualties and what we feel here on the ground is that the Israeli GPS system was disabled this is something that Israeli security forces do many times when the northern front is seating up to enable basically the drones coming from southern Lebanon to orient themselves which is also of course causing residents here in the north by the way here on the road but this is something that we've seen quite a lot in this war in this mini war that has evolved here on the northern front also yesterday was a very busy day with many attacks both entailing anti-tank missiles and mortar shells towards different communities in southern Israel and Hezbollah claiming responsibility for a number of these attacks Israel striking back with artillery towards these origins of these launches again in several different areas alongside the Israel Lebanese border on the Lebanese side there there's northern communities give us a sense of course many have evacuated in recent weeks give us a sense of the numbers of people that are still there close to the border affected by exactly what you are describing right now right Benita in terms of numbers it is very difficult to say there are dozens of communities that have been evacuated those who are in a proximity of about five kilometers to the Lebanese border but you will always have people who are not willing to leave their homes because they do not know when they will be able to go back this is also a region that is known for its agriculture so many farmers here who make a livelihood off of crops and farming they are not willing to leave their communities are also those who work in the security forces who are there to guide their communities so even though we speak about communities such as Manara Margaliot which have been continuously targeted there in the upper eastern part of the Galilee region or also Shlomi that has been targeted today they are almost void of civilians but there are some remaining and especially when we talk about the city of Kiret Shmonad this is a city of 20,000 residents about five kilometers away from the border it has been widely evacuated but also there it is estimated that maybe about 2,000 people remain there in that city and they are majorly endangered by that constant fire of both motor shells and anti-tank missiles it is recommended for them to immediately evacuate to immediately leave but again you will always have people who are not willing to leave their home without knowing exactly when this is something that many of those evacuees have demanded from the Israeli security military establishment because the threat that Hezbollah poses there sitting on the Israeli border will also persist after the war with Gaza ends and it has been there also before this war started so Hezbollah is something that kept those residents here on high alert before the war and will probably also do so after the war now although the scumishes between Israel and Hezbollah have so far been relatively contained this is a very active front there is a lot of tension here and a lot of volatile scene here Thank you so much Correspondent Pia Stekelbach live from northern Israel thank you for the update stay safe and now for more still in studio retired Colonel Dr. Jacques Neria and Jacques you of course know that part of the region particularly well what do you make of what is at play here right now I'm not going into the details now that Pia has told us all the details I only I would say that we are at war right now Hezbollah has is facing a riddle he is not able to solve the problem of the obstacle that Israel has put in front of him and the deployment the defensive deployment which has an element of attack on Hezbollah has in fact been impossible for Hezbollah to overcome at the beginning Hezbollah thought that by deploying forces vis-à-vis the north border by evacuating the people this would be a great achievement from his point of view but the fact is that Israel is standing fast and he needs now Hezbollah needs now to drag Israel into the war because as it is today it is not helping the Hamas at all so they want to they are all the time intensifying the the strikes they are intensifying their intrusion into Israeli territory by aircraft by rockets in order to create a situation where Israel will have no choice but to intervene by intervening Israel will have to fight on two fronts and this is what Hezbollah wants to do we keep on hearing about Hezbollah targeting specific IDF bases is Israel equipped to deal with what you've described an escalation on both fronts at the same time I think that Hezbollah might feel the crux if Israel begins to answer as in an open war right now it's a limited war we are in a low intensity conflict from our point of view we are holding on as it is as the situation is today in order to finish the business we have with Hamas once this is done we will deal with Hezbollah Hezbollah knows that in order to pre-empt that he is trying to drag us into the war he thought at the beginning that by paralyzing us by paralyzing those in the region and bringing huge idea forces on the border he would in fact contribute to the war effort of Hamas but this is not helping Hamas at all because what we have in the south is enough to crush Hamas and this is what's happening talking about the efforts to crush Hamas inside Gaza what do you make of the IDF evidence that we are seeing with increasing regularity videos recently of hostages being dragged forced into Shifa hospital those images went viral and yet there are people who are still questioning exactly what is unfolding what do you make of the evidence that Israel is able to provide and the response to that evidence we are facing the axis of evil I mean it's not only anti-Israel it's anti-Semitic it's anti-Jewish you can see but by the mere fact that they are accusing us Israel is being accused of the ones who have killed all those participants in the NOVA festival this is crazy absolutely so how can you cope with other lies at the intelligence we know exactly from very hard information intelligence that those hospitals 35 hospitals has been used by Hamas in order to provide for them shelters underground shelters underground control rooms this is where they fight and they conduct their war and the more we go inside Shifa for instance like in Rantisi hospital like in other places we will find proofs and we will show the proof the problem is that you can show the proof but nobody will admit that they will say always that you have put that piece in order to create the situation even though when it comes to the music festival specifically and this is the part that just is beyond ludicrous that footage was taken by Hamas Hamas terrorists who filmed the atrocities that unfolded and yet as recently as yesterday the Palestinian authority claiming that actually Israel was behind it go and look at the verified footage that Hamas itself made go viral and then let's take it away from the autopsy of the late soldier Marciano we know that she has been executed she was not wounded by strap prints of an Israeli bombing we know that she was taken alive from the place where she was kept and then she was taken inside Shifa and there in the Shifa hospital she was executed so this is the kind of animals we are treating with we have much time left the pause that is being discussed around this potential hostage deal which we discussed earlier on in the broadcast is said to be around three to five days how does this impact Hamas's ability to regroup very briefly very quickly, five days it will be enough for them to reorganize and to reconnect with all those units that they have lost control of in the north and in the center and I think that they must be ready now given by the chief of staff concerning the army and telling them the direction is southwards retired colonel Dr. Jacques Neria always appreciate you being here in studio thank you so much for your insights as always thank you Jacques and now turning our focus to southern Israel again Kibbutz near Oz a quarter of the community there were killed or abducted on the 7th of October six weeks later and some of the residents came back to take a look at their homes our Orisha Pera has more in this report this is the cup collection of my parents they brought it from different places a month and a half after the Hamas onslaught residents of southern Israel are picking up the pieces this house in Kibbutz near Oz belong to the Rubin family who managed to escape the horrific attack and survived here four people of our family were hiding they hid here for two hours my mother was born during the holocaust her family hid she got here when she was a child it all comes back several residents of near Oz came back to the Kibbutz to collect their belonging among them was Avi Zichri whose wife and nine year old son were kidnapped to Gaza Saba Bahad, Karen Grandma and Grandpa all of them were here in the safe room the terrorists came here and took them without any fight the grandfather is very weak and can barely see they didn't have a choice at 9 a.m. we got a message from the grandfather we can't speak that was it 38 members of the Kibbutz were murdered on October 7 and 75 were abducted around quarter of the population in the Kibbutz small community here in the Kibbutz dining room a tribute to the hostages and fallen was laid the empty mailboxes have stickers red for those who were murdered black for those who were abducted a few blue ones for the hostages who were released we met the son of one of them Yohavet Lipschitz was one of the few hostages set free his father Rodead is still being held in Gaza it's very hard to return here it's my childhood home every house tells a story here we can see three houses of abducted people here here we see the house of someone I've known for my entire life a classmate his father was murdered Kibbutz near Oz was established in 1955 and was a collective community until recent years in the center of the Kibbutz we can find the beautiful ecosystem garden this garden called the green point contains rare trees which were brought from Australia and designed to grow in desert conditions designer of this place called the green spot is Ron Pauker who lost his brother in the massacre during the winter the garden will survive also without special care and I hope that till the spring we will reclaim the garden I am not worried about the garden our residents say they are willing to return to the Kibbutz Adar who left the Kibbutz 27 years ago says that she doesn't think all the residents will come back but she is fully committed to her home I think that this harsh event that we all went through proved to all of us how much we all belong to the same place we speak the same language we are a community even if we don't live here anymore in the last month I became really proud to be a part of this place it is such a beautiful place we are not tired from the long road we are paving the way this slogan is written on the huge flag outside of the dining room but only time will tell what the future of Kibbutz near Oz will be and that report from our Uri Shapira and he was at Kibbutz near Oz thank you Uri and with that we wrap up this edition breaking news coverage I'm Benisa Levine in Tel Aviv our rolling coverage continues shortly stay tuned, thank you for watching we have no idea where we see as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well in news edition I'm Benisa Levine coming to you live from Tel Aviv news just in on the Israeli Defence Forces ongoing operation to eliminate the Hamas terror group following the massacre in southern Israel on the 7th of October confirmation a short while ago that 300 terror suspects have been arrested during the ground operation inside Gaza that have been brought to Israel for questioning now today is World Children's Day celebrated in many parts each year there are no celebrations in this part of the world on this day when the focus of the nation is on the hostages being held by Hamas including 38 children the youngest 10 month old he was 9 months old when he was abducted during the terror onslaught on the 7th of October plus reports of a newborn a child born to a Thai woman in captivity in recent days at this hour there are 236 known hostages inside Gaza the international Red Cross has still not been able to get access to them in the past 6 weeks many relatives still don't know if their loved ones are alive families of the hostages are meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu and the war cabinet on Monday evening hoping that the Prime Minister can help to secure their freedom amidst reports of a deal being broken by Qatar the US has also said to be involved in these negotiations which are said to include a pause of a few days to allow for the release of son of the hostages now for the latest on the ground we cross live to our Middle East correspondent Ariel Osaran he is in southern Israel and Ariel confirmation moments ago that 300 terror suspects have been detained during this ground operation inside Gaza and have been brought to Israel that's a lot of suspects what kind of information have investigators been able to find out Ariel right Benito, that's very interesting information that the IDF allowing for publication just this moment but before that I'll just give you a quick update on what's going on here on the ground there's increased sounds of fire gunshots, artillery, airstrikes concentrated in northern Gaza Strip in the past few minutes we're talking about the areas of Betlaya, Betchanun there were clashes earlier today there but these have once again intensified over the past few minutes and if you hear gunshots or exploding noises that is indeed that fighting coming reaching its way the echoes all the way here now as to the publication of the IDF's human intelligence unit 504 indeed they're revealing that throughout the fighting in nearly four week ground invasion they have arrested over 300 Hamas terrorists and have interrogated them and found out information that very useful that has helped the fighting also to identify further targets as well as also to understand how Hamas is operating just for an example in one of these interrogations one of the Hamas militants says that it is known that since the operation began, since the war began Hamas fighters have been going about the Shifa hospital the main hospital in Gaza that we've been talking about for a long time they go around there in doctors' uniforms so they can be inconspicuous and go about their daily operations there one of the terrorist suspects said that there could be one given moment, 80, 90 or even 100 Hamas fighters inside the hospital at any given moment and this obviously in addition to other intel as to the presence of the location of different tunnel shafts different operations of Hamas so these interrogations are indeed useful 300 the number of suspects so far interrogated but obviously that number is expected to increase as the IDF's ground operation in the Gaza Strip continues to deepen Thank you so much Middle East correspondent Ariel Ursaran updating us from southern Israel more to come from Ariel on that front in the coming hours now from the south to the north we go to our correspondent Zach Anders and he joins us from northern Israel and Zach, rocket siren sounding earlier in Kiryat Shmoner and other border towns close to Lebanon what is the latest there, what update can you share this hour? Well another very active day here on the northern front, this as a US Biden official has landed in Israel today reportedly urging Israeli officials to de-escalate the situation here of course this situation has been largely sparked by Hezbollah and its actions taken across the northern border with Israel responding with airstrikes and shelling targeting the origination points of where Hezbollah has been setting these launches off now 25 launches today have been recorded the IDF says these are launches coming from shelling, mortars, artillery including drone launches there's some video out today that has not been independently corroborated, reportedly showing some of these drones infiltrating into Israeli airspace the IDF says they did record drones entering into the airspace and they were intercepted there were strikes that landed in open areas the IDF says that did not result in any casualties we do not know if there was damage as a report as a result of these strikes happening today again 25 launches and this again as a US official is in Israel today attempting to de-escalate the situation and as you say Amos Haqstein in Israel the US envoy reportedly for talks on the northern front what kind of leverage does he realistically have day 45 of this war it is curious because the US has stepped into a role in the north I have one source that has told me that the US has all but assured the Israelis that should Hezbollah push even further in attempt to create some broader scale conflict here that the US has verbally committed itself to providing support if Hezbollah was to try and attack further now this US official coming today attempting to press Israeli officials to try and find other means diplomatic means to ease tensions here of course with the level of strikes and launches that have been started by Hezbollah and the IDF has largely been retaliating on these points of fire sometimes targeting the infrastructure for being able to provide these strikes the IDF for several days has said that they've been targeting even weapons storage facilities it does it does beg the question what more can the IDF do beyond responding responding to when these strikes have happened when Hezbollah has launched what more can they do that would try and de-escalate obviously the IDF has not said that we're just going to roll over and let Hezbollah continue to attack our positions continue to attack these Israeli towns and settlements across the northern border thousands and thousands of people have had to evacuate as a result of this so it is it will be curious to see the result of this Biden officials visit and their attempts to try and de-escalate here our correspondent Zach Anders in northern Israel more to come from Zach in the coming hours stay safe and as we've heard from both our correspondents red alert sirens sounding in the south and the north earlier in the day day 45 of the war with rocket fire out of the Gaza Strip and out of southern Lebanon inside Gaza fighting is intensifying including near the Indonesian hospital with three more soldiers killed bringing the Israeli death toll during the retaliatory ground incursion to 66 the Hamas run health ministry in Gaza saying thousands of gardens have been killed but these numbers have not been independently verified and it's not clear how many of those killed are terrorists our senior defense correspondent Jonathan reggae has more Israeli ground forces entered Gaza from three different directions the north from the east and from the south here and circling the Gaza Strip from three different directions the fourth direction being this one the Mediterranean Sea where the Israeli Navy operates everything in green is our areas taken over by the Israeli army but there's still enclaves here of Hamas control neighborhoods notorious for terrorism jubalia shekradwan and is a tune for example and this is now where the fighting takes place Israeli forces closing in on these this is probably the place where rockets were fired towards central Israel over the weekend and the the rocket fire which has decreased dramatically towards central Israel will probably decrease even more once these areas are taken over that's as far as the neighborhoods are controlled but let's remember there are hospitals she for hospital on the western part of the Gaza city closer to the Mediterranean and here and not so much fighting but a lot of Israeli activity to disclose exactly what is under the ground under the she for hospital the tunnels and the security cameras and all of the terror infrastructure under the she for hospital to the north to the area of the bet Hanon where the Indonesian hospital is as well Israel is hoping to uncover also the underground activity there probably tunnels probably a terror infrastructure as we've seen near the hospitals in Gaza the Indonesian here hospital the she for hospital and many many others are not only there to save lives or also headquarters for those who want to take lives. Senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev now for more we welcome to studio Israeli-Palestinian relations expert Colonel in the reserves Grisha Yakubovich former head of the civilian department of Kogat in the IDF and Ben Jor Yemini senior journalist at the idiot of the IDF. Thank you both so much for being here in studio many developments all at once I want to start Grisha with the latest we just heard from my colleague Arielle Osirin confirmation that 300 terror suspects have been detained by the IDF inside Gaza now brought to Israel for questioning what do you make of this it sounds like a lot of suspects what kind of information is likely to be available. As we define it in the past this is a three dimensional war we are talking about air force ground force and underground force now to move ahead and to be more precise and more let's say to find the right intelligence that we need to free our people eventually this is this is actually the major goal is to catch terrorists not necessarily to kill them but the moment and you send them back to investigations you achieve two things one is precise information and intelligence to be you know the moment we will enter the south we will be we will have to be more precise because the concentration of people is there in the south so the IDF will use the information that they will get from those terrorists to know exactly where the targets are and to kill whoever is should be killed or to release whoever should be released and number two you get more people eventually more terrorists that you have as Israel if there will be a deal so you know they collect they kidnapped our civilians and we are catching their terrorists so when we will reach to a deal there will be exchanges I believe and one wonders what kind of information could be gleaned from these suspects about the hostages obviously top of mind for everyone in the nation right now 236 hostages 38 of them are children and more and more reports about a potential deal your thoughts yeah I must tell you first of all I don't know what kind of information they are going to give we will have to wait and see and we do hope that some of them know something and some of them will give some information that Israel needs but I must tell you that I do not understand the Israeli policy I'm not speaking about military about the ground operation I don't understand why Israel is under pressure to begin a ceasefire in order to enable this kind of deal why Israel is not declaring a ceasefire and tell them you have 24 hours you have 24 hours instead of the whole world which is now beginning to push and I read the polls in the United States public opinion is changing yes the majority is still with Israel but it's not like there is a drop of something like 10 percent why do we continue and when we know that in two weeks we will not even have the majority not in the United States and of course not in Europe we can initiate something favorable fast something which is a kind of a win-win because if the Hamas will say no Israel will be able to say look we did everything we did everything that we can but they said no what are the headlines right now in the BBC and in the CNN Israel is rejecting any ceasefire proposal which is against us so let me tell you I do not understand many times the Israeli government your thoughts on that Grisha because many are questioning of course the people brokering the steel are Qatar Qatar hosting senior Hamas leaders inside Doha amidst much luxury Amat add your thoughts on exactly what Ben Jorah is saying I understand exactly what is the advantage of this initiative but we let's not forget that the other side it's a very smart side okay they are playing with our emotions with our families okay and they understand only one language force power and to release to release the kids that were kidnapped and to release the civilians that were kidnapped is only by force pressure continuous pressure and the moment they will feel that they are that they feel our hands around the world this is when a deal will actually be a real deal otherwise they will continue playing with us stay with us we've got much more to discuss on that front but right now let's go to our Emily Francis she joins us from Tel Aviv at a UNICEF protest now Emily as we're discussing here in studio the families of 236 hostages waiting for answers 38 of the hostages are children being held by Hamas for more than six weeks what is happening where you are Hi Benita well yeah we are actually in front of the UNICEF's local office here in Tel Aviv where many of the families are organizing an event that's supposed to start about five o'clock if you can see here they have a stage set up specifically with the posters of the children that you just spoke about who are still being held hostage in Gaza and it happens to be World Children's Day which is the reason that they're going to be held hostage they're going to have spokes people here speaking from the families of the hostages also they're going to have singers and other people all here not only to protest the fact that the UN that UNICEF has not done enough to help but also protesting of course the government where they're going to be going later to the hostage square but again people are are here they're preparing a lot of they're expecting a lot of people in about five o'clock if they're going to be holding these hostages home we know we've been talking about this for over 40 days now this is the heart and soul of what Israelis are feeling which is that every life matters and we need to do whatever we can to bring those hostages home but right here at this location the focus is specifically on the children and specifically criticizing UNICEF for not doing more to help in these efforts. Certainly is staggering the Red Leaders are alive or not never mind getting medicine to those who need it we know the hostages include the elderly as well people who aren't well we also know relatives will be meeting the war cabinet in the coming hours realistically though what can authorities be doing right now what are you hearing where you are Emily listen I think that is a big question what is realistic I think people here are emotional but we're also using logic they want to serve answers it is said from the press release from the missing families and hostage form that apparently Prime Minister Netanyahu is going to speak to them tonight at 8 o'clock also members of the war cabinet whether that will happen remains to be seen obviously they're hoping for that but I think they're also used to being disappointed and not getting answers which is only compounding the sorrow the frustration the anger and just the overall feeling we're going through but especially the families of the hostages that just want some answers and have not been able to get any answers all they have is each other right now in the support of the Israeli people we saw when they marched to Jerusalem over the weekend thousands of people joined with them they have the support of the country but not the answers that they deserve thank you so much one cannot imagine what these families are going through Emily Francis will be coming back to you for regular updates live and watch for now thanks Emily meanwhile far right leader Itamar Ben Gavir is moving to advance the death penalty law for terrorists tensions flaring during a hearing of the National Security Committee and altercation breaking out between members of the far right Jewish power party and relatives of those hostages held by Hamas the families are outraged at the proposal for the death penalty for terrorists worried that such a move could have serious repercussions for the hostages coalition chair of fear cuts saying the vote will not take place before it's being debated in the security cabinet let's take a listen to more from earlier in the day are you ready to deal with the death penalty for terrorists while those souls are inside I mentioned here only 5 out of 240 abductees including one few weeks old baby you keep telling us not to fall into their hands how do you keep falling into their hands there will be the time for that later the Eichmann trial happened afterwards not in the process when there is someone else to put at risk you are our elected representatives you were chosen to represent us represent me represent her they didn't do anything wrong first thing you have no mandate on pain we also buried over 50 friends second thing if you want us to listen to you speak up don't be fooled by petty politicians who come to take advantage of you speak I listen to you but you have no mandate on pain my friend who was kidnapped is still in Gaza his family hasn't heard from you once friends you want to have an effective discussion talk staggering sentiments Ben draw you mean help us make sense it's just unbelievable I'll tell you why it is just unbelievable because we all know we all know nothing is going to get out from I mean there will not be any legislation the death penalty is not going to pass in a legislation so there is only one outcome which is the damage and he is doing it in front of the families of the hostages I mean what are you doing so the extreme right in Israel is manipulating us all and he's I mean we are hurting the families what are they doing what a disgrace I mean it's a shame it's a shame that such a discussion is taking place in the Knesset in the Israeli parliament just now when the pain of the families is demonstrated there and they are begging they are begging enough don't do it now it's on the expense of our families and they are totally they are totally they don't care it's a disgrace it certainly is devastating to think what these families are going through all the uncertainty waiting for some kind of answer and they have to deal with this kind of politicking so to speak and political players have done quite well up until now by staying out of the fray and having this united front because right now there is an existential threat bend draw to the country and that has seen people ignore the divisions and focus on the united front so to speak yeah completely so and and they're trying to break everything why for what they will get voters what what what they're trying to achieve I mean you I mean someone has to ask himself I mean what they're trying to achieve if there was any kind of a political gain okay we can understand you but no we cannot understand them yes there is a unity and this is a big advantage of Israel of of the last six weeks there is a unity yes of course we have differences and and and it will come again after the war but right now why not to stay united why do we need this kind of discussion in the Knesset again it's a disgrace a disgrace indeed I want to bring you in Grisha because we were talking a little bit earlier about obviously the biggest focus right now is the hostages and getting them freed the Wall Street Journal is reporting citing Egyptian officials in their reports saying that Israel is meticulously verifying a list of possible Palestinian prisoners to ensure that none of them are connected to Hamas now we need to reiterate there are many reports about potential deals and these are not confirmed no verified information about what it entails but given your security background what do you make of the possibility of the freeing of political or prisoners in jails Palestinian prisoners terror convicts what is your thought do you know why we are even talking about a possible deal because in the past we made deals now if the policy was and again let's go back okay if the policy was actually kept as it is as in the past that we do not negotiate with terrorists I believe that there will be no attention to kill to kidnap Israelis so now where we are in the situation I think and I do agree that we need to initiate but we should initiate it with with power because there is a language that they understand okay and we are playing by the rules of the west of the international war or the international law and the other side this is an asymmetric war if I would say so the other side is using the civilians as human shields and we are using the civilians and we are trying to help them and to save them okay and the same thing is with prisoners we we declare that we capture 300 terrorists and they are investigated and there are already videos showing them, showing their faces that they are alive and the other side is hiding them underground I don't see a way that there is a possibility to deal with the devil that's my opinion Indra I don't envy the decision backers I do not really understand because I'm going to say something which it's not even easy to say we know that even if there will be a deal and something like 50 hostages, children women will be freed and I hope it will happen we know maybe, maybe there will not be second chance and the meaning is that we don't know if the others and we are speaking about almost 200 small we don't know what is going to happen to them so it's so difficult to make this kind of decision because it's a kind of selection okay we maybe liberate me save the lives of something like 35 or 50 but what will be the others it's not easy it's not simple and just one more sentence I'm not sure that the leaders can give them good answers to the families I'm not sure Indra Yemini, Grisha Jakobovich a very difficult time our hearts are with the hostages and our hearts are with the families of the hostages as we wait to see how the situation will unfold we are waiting here in studio and that is a wrap for this edition of Upbreaking News Coverage I'm Benita Levine our coverage continues shortly stay tuned, thank you for watching Israel is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well this week in 24 video The News Editions I'm Denis Oluven live from Tel Aviv. News just in on the Israeli Defense Forces' ongoing operation to eliminate the Hamas terror group following the massacre in southern Israel on the 7th of October. Confirmation a short while ago that 300 terrorist suspects have been arrested during the ground operation inside Gaza that have been brought to Israel for questioning. Now today is World Children's Day, celebrated in many parts each year. There are no celebrations in this part of the world on this day when the focus of the nation is on the hostages being held by Hamas, including 38 children, the youngest, 10-month-old Fier Bivas. He was nine months old when he was abducted during the terror onslaught on the 7th of October. Plus reports of a newborn, a child born to a Thai woman in captivity in recent days. At this hour there are 236 known hostages inside Gaza. The international Red Cross has still not been able to get access to them in the past six weeks. Many relatives still don't know if their loved ones are alive. Families of the hostages are meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu and the war cabinet on Monday evening, hoping that the Prime Minister can help to secure their freedom amidst reports of a deal being broken by Qatar. The U.S. has also said to be involved in these negotiations, which are said to include a pause of a few days to allow for the release of some of the hostages. Now for the latest on the ground, we cross live to our Middle East correspondent Arielle Oceran. He is in southern Israel. And Arielle, confirmation moments ago that 300 terror suspects have been detained during this ground operation inside Gaza and have been brought to Israel. That's a lot of suspects. What kind of information have investigators been able to find out, Arielle? Right, Benita. That's very interesting information that the IDF allowing for publication just this moment. But before that, I'll just give you a quick update as what's going on here on the ground. There's increased sounds of fire, gunshots, artillery, airstrikes concentrated in northern Gaza Strip in the past few minutes. We're talking about the areas of Bet Layah, Bet Hanun. There were clashes earlier today there, but these have once again intensified over the past few minutes. And if you hear gunshots or exploding noises, that is indeed that fighting coming, reaching its way, the echoes all the way here. Now as to the publication of the IDF's Human Intelligence Unit 504, so indeed they're revealing that throughout the fighting in the nearly four-week ground invasion, they have arrested over 300 Hamas terrorists and have interrogated them and found out information that very useful, that has helped the fighting also to identify further targets, as well as also to understand how Hamas is operating. And just for an example, in one of these interrogations, one of the Hamas militant says that it is known that since the operation began, since the war began, Hamas fighters have been going about the Shifa Hospital, the main hospital in Gaza that we've been talking about for a long time. They go around there in doctors' uniforms, so they could be inconspicuous and go about their daily operations there. One of the terror suspects said that there could be one given moment, 80, 90, or even 100 Hamas fighters inside the hospital at any given moment. And this obviously in addition to other intel as to the presence of the location of different tunnel shafts, different operations of Hamas, so these interrogations are indeed useful. 300, the number of suspects so far interrogated, but obviously that number is expected to increase as the IDF's ground operation in the Gaza Strip continues to deepen. Thank you so much, Middle East correspondent Ariel Osirin updating us from Southern Israel, more to come from Ariel on that front in the coming hours now from the south to the north. We go to our correspondent, Zach Anders, and he joins us from northern Israel in Zach, rocket sirens sounding earlier in Kiryat Shmona and other border towns close to Lebanon. What is the latest there? What update can you share this hour? Well, another very active day here on the northern front. This as a U.S. Biden official has landed in Israel today, reportedly urging Israeli officials to de-escalate the situation here. Of course, this situation has been largely sparked by Hezbollah and its actions taken across the northern border with Israel responding with airstrikes and shelling, targeting the origin or origination points of where Hezbollah has been setting these launches off. Now, 25 launches today have been recorded. The IDF says these are launches coming from shelling, mortars, artillery, including drone launches. There's some video out today that has not been independently corroborated, reportedly showing some of these drones infiltrating into Israeli airspace. The IDF says they did record drones entering into the airspace and they were intercepted. There were strikes that landed in open areas. The IDF says that did not results in any casualties. We do not know if there was damage as a report, as a result of these strikes happening today. Again, 25 launches and this again as a U.S. official is in Israel today attempting to de-escalate the situation. And as you say, Amos Haqstein in Israel, the U.S. envoy reportedly for talks on the northern front. What kind of leverage does he realistically have day 45 of this war? It is curious because the U.S. has stepped into a role in the north. I have one source that has told me that the U.S. has all but assured the Israelis that should Hezbollah push even further in attempt to create some broader scale conflict here that the U.S. has verbally committed itself to providing support if Hezbollah was to try and attack further. Now, this U.S. official coming today attempting to press Israeli officials to try and find other means diplomatic means to ease tensions here. Of course, with the level of strikes and launches that have been started by Hezbollah and the IDF has largely been retaliating on these points of fire, sometimes targeting the infrastructure for being able to provide these strikes. The IDF for several days has said that they've been targeting even weapons storage facilities. It does beg the question. What more can the IDF do beyond responding to when these strikes have happened, when Hezbollah has launched? What more can they do that would try and de-escalate? Obviously, the IDF has not said that we're just going to roll over and let Hezbollah continue to attack our positions, continue to attack these Israeli towns and settlements across the northern border. Thousands and thousands of people have had to evacuate as a result of this. So, it will be curious to see the result of this Biden official's visit and their attempts to try and de-escalate here. Thank you so much. Correspondent Zach Anders in Northern Israel, more to come from Zach in the coming hours. Stay safe. And as we've heard from both our correspondents, Red Alert Sirens sounding in the south and the north earlier in the day, Day 45 of the war with rocket fire out of the Gaza Strip and out of southern Lebanon. Inside Gaza, fighting is intensifying, including near the Indonesian hospital, with three more soldiers killed, bringing the Israeli death toll during the retaliatory ground incursion to 66. The Hamas run health ministry in Gaza, saying thousands of Gazans have been killed, but these numbers have not been independently verified. And it's not clear how many of those killed are terrorists. Our senior defense correspondent, Jonathan Regev, has more. Israeli ground forces entered Gaza from three different directions, the north from the east and from the south here, thus encircling the Gaza Strip from three different directions, the fourth direction being this one, the Mediterranean Sea, where the Israeli navy operates. Everything in green are areas taken over by the Israeli army, but there are still enclaves here of Hamas control. Neighborhoods notorious for terrorism, Jabalia, Sheikh Radwan, and Zayton, for example. And this is now where the fighting takes place. Israeli forces closing in on these neighborhoods exactly. This is probably the place where rockets were fired towards central Israel over the weekend, and the rocket fire, which has decreased dramatically towards central Israel, will probably decrease even more once these areas are taken over. That's as far as the neighborhoods are controlled. But let's remember there are hospitals, Shifa Hospital on the western part of Gaza City, closer to the Mediterranean. And here, not so much fighting, but a lot of Israeli activity to disclose exactly what is under the ground, under the Shifa Hospital, the tunnels, the security cameras, and all of the terror infrastructure under the Shifa Hospital to the north, to the area of Beit Hanun, where the Indonesian hospital is as well. Israel is hoping to uncover also the underground activity there, probably tunnels, probably terror infrastructure, as we've seen the hospitals in Gaza, the Indonesian hospital, the Shifa Hospital, and many, many others are not only there to save lives, or also headquarters for those who want to take lives. Senior Defense Correspondent Jonathan Regev. Now for more, we welcome to studio Israeli-Palestinian relations expert, Colonel in the Reserves, Grisha Yakubovich, former head of the civilian department of Kogat in the IDF, and Ben Jor-Yamini, senior journalist at the Idiot Akronot Daily. Gentlemen, thank you both so much for being here in studio. Many developments all at once. I want to start Grisha with the latest we just heard from my colleague, Ariel Osirin, confirmation that 300 terror suspects have been detained by the IDF inside Gaza now, brought to Israel for questioning. What do you make of this? It sounds like a lot of suspects. What kind of information is likely to be gleaned from this group? As we've defined it in the past, this is a three-dimensional war. We are talking about air force, ground force, and underground force. Now, to move ahead and to be more precise and more, let's say, to find the right intelligence that we need to free our people eventually. This is actually the major goal, is to catch terrorists, not necessarily to kill them, but the moment you catch them and you send them back to investigations, you achieve two things. One is precise information and intelligence. The moment we will enter the south, we will have to be more precise because the concentration of people is there in the south. So the IDF will use the information that they will get from those terrorists to know exactly where the targets are and to kill whoever should be killed or to release whoever should be released. And number two, you get more people eventually, more terrorists that you have as Israel if there will be a deal. So, you know, they collect our, they collect, they kidnapped our civilians and we are catching their terrorists. So when we will reach to a deal, there will be exchanges, I believe, with them. And one wonders, Ben Dior, what kind of information could be gleaned from these suspects about the hostages? Obviously top of mind for everyone in the nation right now, 236 hostages, 38 of them are children and more and more reports about a potential deal. Your thoughts? Yeah, I must tell you, first of all, I don't know what kind of information they are going to give. We will have to wait and see. And we do hope, of course, that some of them know something and some of them will give some information that Israel needs. But I must tell you that I do not understand the Israeli policy. I'm not speaking about the military, about the ground operation. I don't understand why Israel is under pressure to begin a ceasefire in order to enable this kind of deal. Why Israel is not declaring a ceasefire? It tells you have 24 hours. You have 24 hours. Instead of the whole world, which is now beginning to push, and I read the polls in the United States. Public opinion is changing. Yes, the majority is still with Israel, but it's not like there is a drop of something like 10%. Why do we continue and when we know that in two weeks, we will not even have the majority, not in the United States and, of course, not in Europe? We can initiate something in favor of us, something which is a kind of a win-win, because if the Hamas will say no, Israel will be able to say, look, we did everything. We did everything that we can. But they said no. What are the headlines right now in the BBC and in the CNN? Israel is rejecting any ceasefire proposal, which is against us. So let me tell you, I do not understand many times the Israeli government. Your thoughts on that Grisha, because many are questioning, of course, the people brokering the steel are Qatar, Qatar hosting senior Hamas leaders inside Doha amidst much luxury. I might add your thoughts on exactly what Ben Jorah is saying. I understand exactly what is the advantage of this initiative. But we let's not forget that the other side it's a very smart side. Okay, they understand us sometimes better than we know ourselves. They are playing with our emotions with our families. Okay. And they understand only one language, force, power, and to release to release the kids that were kidnapped and to release the civilians that we kidnapped is only by force, pressure, continuous pressure. And the moment they will feel that they are that they feel our hands around the trolls, this is when a deal will actually be actually be a real deal. Otherwise, they will continue playing with us. Stay with us. We've got much more to discuss on that front. But right now, let's go to our Emily Francis. She joins us from Tel Aviv at a UNICEF protest. Now, Emily, as we're discussing here in studio, the families of 236 hostages waiting for answers. 38 of the hostages are children being held by Hamas for more than six weeks. What is happening where you are? Hi, Benita. Well, yeah, we are actually in front of the UNICEF's local office here in Tel Aviv, where many of the families are organizing an event that's supposed to start about five o'clock. If you can see here, they have a stage set up specifically with the posters of the children that you just spoke about who are still being held hostage in Gaza. And it happens to be World Children's Day, which is the reason that they're having this event right here. You can see they're setting up a stage. They're going to have spokespeople here speaking from the families of the hostages. Also, they're going to have singers and other people all here, not only to protest the fact that the UN that UNICEF has not done enough to help, but also protesting, of course, the government, where they're going to be going later to the hostage square. But again, people are here. They're preparing. They're expecting a lot of people in about an hour. And this is just the main goal, is bringing these hostages home. We know we've been talking about this for over 40 days now. This is the heart and soul of what Israelis are feeling, which is that every life matters. And we need to do whatever we can to bring those hostages home. But right here at this location, the focus is specifically on the children and specifically criticizing UNICEF for not doing more to help in these efforts. Certainly is staggering. The Red Cross as well still not able to get access to find out. Even if these hostages are alive or not, never mind getting medicine to those who need it. We know the hostages include the elderly as well, people who aren't well. We also know relatives will be meeting the war cabinet in the coming hours. Realistically though, what can authorities be doing right now? What are you sharing where you are, Emily? Listen, I think that is a big question. What is realistic? I think people here are emotional, but we're also using logic. They want answers and they deserve answers. It is said from the press release from the missing families in hostage form that apparently Prime Minister Netanyahu is going to speak to them tonight at eight o'clock. Also members of the war cabinet, whether that will happen remains to be seen. Obviously they're hoping for that, but I think they're also used to being disappointed and not getting answers, which is only compounding the sorrow, the frustration, the anger and just the overall feeling, the unsettling feeling that we're going through, but especially the families of the hostages that just want some answers and have not been able to get any answers. All they have is each other right now in the support of the Israeli people. We saw when they marched to Jerusalem over the weekend, thousands of people joined with them. They have the support of the country, but not the answers that they deserve. Thank you so much. One cannot imagine what these families are going through. Emily Francis will be coming back to you for regular updates live from Tel Aviv. Thank you very much for now. Thanks, Emily. Meanwhile, far right leader Itamar Ben-Gavir is moving to advance the death penalty law for terrorists. Tensions flaring during a hearing of the National Security Committee and altercation, breaking out between members of the far right Jewish power party and relatives of those hostages held by Hamas. The families are outraged at the proposal for the death penalty for terrorists, worried that such a move could have serious repercussions for the hostages. Coalition chair of fear cuts saying the vote will not take place before it's been debated in the security cabinet. Let's take a listen to more from earlier in the day. Are you ready to deal with the death penalty for terrorists while those souls are inside? I mentioned here only five out of 240 abductees, including one few weeks old baby. You keep telling us not to fall into their hands. How do you keep falling into their hands? There will be the time for that later. The Eichmann trial happened afterwards, not in the process when there is someone else to put at risk. You are our elected representatives. You were chosen to represent us, represent me, represent her. They didn't do anything wrong. First thing, you have no mandate on pain. We also buried over 50 friends. Second thing, if you want us to listen to you speak up. Don't be fooled by petty politicians who come to take advantage of you. Speak, I listen to you, but you have no mandate on pain. My friend who was kidnapped is still in Gaza. His family hasn't heard from you once. Friends, you want to have an effective discussion? Talk. Staggering sentiments, Ben Droy-Yamini help us make sense of what we just heard there. It's just unbelievable. I'll tell you why it is unbelievable. Just unbelievable because we all know, we all know, nothing is going to get out from, I mean, there will not be any legislation. The death penalty is not going to pass in a legislation. So there is only one outcome, which is the damage. And he is doing it in front of the families of the hostages. I mean, what are you doing? So the extreme right in Israel is manipulating us all. And he's, I mean, they are hurting the families. What are they doing? What a disgrace. I mean, it's a shame. It's a shame that such a discussion is taking place in the Knesset, in the Israeli parliament just now when the pain of the families is demonstrated there and they are begging. They are begging. Enough. Don't do it now. It's on the expense of our families. And they are totally, they are totally indifferent. They don't care. It's a disgrace. It certainly is devastating to think what these families are going through, all the uncertainty, waiting for some kind of answer and they have to deal with this kind of politicking, so to speak. And political players have done quite well up until now by staying out of the fray and having this united front, because right now there is an existential threat bend draw to the country. And that has seen people ignore the political divisions and focus on the united front, so to speak. Yeah, completely so. And they're trying to break everything. Why? For what? They will get voters. What? What they're trying to achieve? I mean, you, I mean, someone has to ask himself, I mean, what they're trying to achieve? If there was any kind of a political gain, okay, we can understand you. But no, we cannot understand them. Yes, there is a unity. And this is a big advantage of Israel of the last six weeks. There is a unity. We are united. Yes, of course, we have differences and it will come again after the war. But right now, why not to stay united? Why do we need this kind of discussion in Jechneset? Again, it's a disgrace. A disgrace indeed. I want to bring you in, Grisha, because we were talking a little bit earlier about obviously the biggest focus right now is the hostages and getting them freed. The Wall Street Journal is reporting, citing Egyptian officials in their reports, saying that Israel is meticulously verifying a list of possible Palestinian prisoners to ensure that none of them are connected to Hamas. Now, we need to reiterate, there are many reports about potential deals, and these are not confirmed, no verified information about what it entails. But given your security background, what do you make of the possibility of the freeing of political or prisoners in jails here, Palestinian prisoners, terror convicts? What is your thought? Do you know why we are even talking about a possible deal? Because in the past, we made deals. Now, if the policy was, and again, let's go back, okay? If the policy was actually kept as it is, as in the past, that we do not negotiate with terrorists, I believe that there will be no attention to kill, to kidnap Israelis. So now where we are in the situation, I think, and I do agree that we need to initiate, but we should initiate it with power, because there is a language that they understand, okay? And we are playing by the rules of the West, of the international war, or the international law. And the other side, this is an asymmetric war, if I would say so, okay? The other side is using the civilians as human shields, and we are using the civilians, and we're trying to help them and to save them, okay? And the same thing is with prisoners. We declared that we captured 300 terrorists, and they are investigated, and there are already videos showing them, showing their faces, that they are alive, and the other side is hiding them underground. I don't see a way that there is a possibility to deal with the devil. That's my opinion. Indra. I don't envy the decision-makers. I do not really understand, because I'm going to say something which it's not even easy to say. We know that even if there will be a deal, and something like 50 hostages, children, women will be freed, and I hope it will happen. We know that maybe, maybe there will not be a second chance. And the meaning is that we don't know if the others, and we're speaking about almost 200 small, we don't know what's going to happen to them. So it's so difficult to make this kind of decision, because it's a kind of selection. Okay. We maybe liberate, maybe save the lives of something like 35 or 50, but what will be the others? It's not easy. It's not simple. And just one more sentence. I'm not sure that the leaders can give them good answers to the families. I'm not sure. Indra Yamini, Grisha Jakubovich, a very difficult time. Our hearts are with the