 I am Dana François. I have the honor and privilege of leading our work for economic development and the Haiti team, part of the Latin American and Caribbean team at the Kellogg Foundation. And I have the utmost honor of introducing my dear colleague, Sebastian Frias, who is my counterpart leading the same work in Mexico. And we have two of our dear partners, long-term partners who will truly have an opportunity to share with you today the work that they're doing. And the first person that we have with us today is Juana, and I want to make sure. Juana López Diaz. And Juana is a master craftswoman in backstrap looms from Santiago el Pina in Chiapas, Mexico. She is the president and founder of the Cooperative Choice Polavil in honor and legal representative of the Social Enterprise, Juxtapnation. She's a member of Ensimple Autesano, a collective of artisans composed of over 80 organizations. She's a psychologist and leads workshops in individual and group accompaniment. She's a Spanish to-seal translator, social networker, sales professional, event organizer, and an intimate leader. Our second colleague, partner here with us today is Patrick Desous. Mr. Desous is the executive director of Saint-Dapuis et de Cielvis aux autres pays local et international. Anyone who knows Haitian organizations know that we love long names. Cacely for short. A spin-off of Ruth Capito and Haiti, I think as a business support operator who offers a wide range of services to national and international enterprises, including government agencies, private sector organizations, former co-ops, and community-based organizations. Patrick Cielvis served as the Haiti Country Director of Ruth's Capital, an impact first agriculture lender providing credit and capacity building to small and growing agricultural businesses around Haiti and around the region. And before joining Ruth's Capital, he worked as a senior business analyst at Francoise for those of you who know Francoise, one of the largest microfinance institution in Haiti. And Patrick holds a Bachelor of Accountant and Master of Taxation from Nova Southeastern University. Welcome, Patrick. All right. So welcome, everyone. Good morning. When is the S? Bonjour. We really wanted to start by framing the conversation. We will have a chance to do a little workshop, so you'll just have to bear with us for a few minutes, and then you can continue networking and engaging. So, Dana, you know, we talk about transformative investments. This panel is really focused on these opportunities and mechanisms for impact first investments in Haiti and Mexico. Please help us understand better how do we define transformative from the foundation perspective. Specifically in the context of Haiti and Mexico. And can you provide some tangible examples of innovative finance that are successfully catalyzing economic opportunities? The first thing that I'll start by saying is that my colleagues are all in the room, so do feel free to also ask them all those questions and answers. They'll have amazing answers for you. The second thing that I will say, as a catalog foundation, actually before we even start into kind of our story and what we want to share with you, I think starting with assumptions is really kind of the first step. So fundamentally as an organization, and I would venture to say as people in the catalog foundation, we truly attempt and believe in people's capacity and heritability to help themselves and people's ability to change their communities and address their own problems. The reason why that's important is because fundamentally before we start everything, the questioning of our mindset and our framework is fundamentally important. In the context of Haiti and Mexico, particularly rural Haiti and rural Mexico, for us really questioning and testing our assumptions around do we have asset-based framing in mind? Or are we going in with a deficit mindset? And the reason why that's important is because when you see asset, you see opportunities and you become patient and you take the time to learn and you believe what you're being told and you think long-term. So to start first and foremost, an asset-based mindset rooted in equity. So with that in mind as a foundation, we started our place-based approach over a decade ago in Haiti and Mexico and fundamentally for us, our values was operationalized and we continue to try to operationalize it and it doesn't mean we don't make mistakes. We have made mistakes and we've learned over the years. But we endeavor very strongly to focus on community voice and community leadership. Learn, learn, learn, learn. Iterate and fail forward. When we make a mistake, we often see it as an opportunity to refine our approach. So for us, transformative means that if we are going to partner in long-term in Haiti and Mexico, and for us, long-term means at least a generation, it means that the very conditions that create poverty, that create maternal morbidity, that create the very conditions that we know our communities are facing in Haiti and Mexico, that those change over time and they change based on the vision, leadership, agency of local leaders, local institutions, local communities. And we not just see change incrementally. We see deep change that essentially means that families are moving out of poverty. It means that small enterprises are growing. It means there are more small enterprises that are providing services. There's more capital, there's innovative capital, catalytic capital. And we see change not just at the individual level but at the community level, at the systems level. We also have many of our partners here including Juana and Patrick who really can share with you more in deeper detail what the systems level change looks like and I hope they can share with you as well what they've learned in terms of interacting with us because we really do see it as a two-way street and we endeavor to learn as we go along. There was a second part to the question. So I'll briefly say in terms of the second part to the question is how do we partner as individual institutions and how do we partner whether it's to co-funding so very intentionally talking to one another as different actors around capital in the ecosystem to either support similar work or exchange what we're learning or more formal partnerships in terms of how do we partner as individual institutions and how do we partner whether it's to co-funding or more formal partnerships around blended finance structures. As an example there are two examples that I would mention for now and there are many others that I encourage you to engage with us around over the week and my colleagues again are actually on the stable. I'm pointing them out so feel free to talk to them and ask them for the questions but I think two examples that I will mention. One you'll probably know that the Kellogg Foundation along with the Ford Foundation and other foundations a few years ago issued social impact bond to really respond and face with the pandemic and the social impact bonds in our case around $300 million was intended to not only support communities across all the range of investments that we've been supporting education health family economic security to face the impact of the pandemic but to also continue to catalyze and be responsive. And fast forward today many of the partners who are here and many of the initiatives that we're lifting up here are initiatives that not only participated in the social impact bond but are demonstrating the evidence of what happens when resources meet the challenge and the opportunity and when it's locally led what we see even in the worst of circumstances giving challenges in communities. And the last piece is another example is our partnership with the Impact First Fund with Global Partnership which was a PRI that we seeded with $1 million and then that $1 million was then stacked upon by Global Partnerships by OPIC and essentially launched a $50 million fund which again fast forward has deals now in both countries around first loss and around fund financing to catalyze again the entrepreneur ecosystem in both countries. So I'll pause here there was a lot to digest but again do engage with us over the week because we do see this as opening a conversation many of those entrepreneurs are here they will be pitching so engage with us not just this week but we hope as we continue to move this work forward. Thank you. So thank you Dana and I'll expand a little bit with anything Dana already said I'll just say that we've had the privilege to focus in Mexico and Haiti in specific communities for the past 11, 12 years and something that we understood was very important is thinking about positionality and really thinking about where we are placed doing this work even if we are ourselves racialized people we hold positions of power being in philanthropy is really being in a position of power and also understanding that I think most of you could agree that if we're in this room we're part of the problem we're part of the problem because we're benefiting of a structure that is unequal but we can also be part of the solution and that's really how we want to frame our work recognizing where we're at in that position of privilege what we can do what agency can we have but specifically what agency we can have to follow local leadership and for us one of the key ingredients for success has been that we could fund growing organizations urban organizations national international organizations but really what is the key for sustainability at the community level is community so if we center community and their leadership that's for us something that has been part of the recipe for success the other thing we think it has been key and really center to our strategy is really asking ourselves who is defining impact and we hear about metrics about climate change trees that are planted economic development targets and we know those are important but those metrics do they actually mean anything to the communities that we're partnering with is that the intended impact the community wants and who and really identifying those power gaps between the measurement the definition of the metrics and who decides what are we measuring and the other piece I just wanted to mention is how important for us has been to focus on narrative change and changing very rooted narratives in the ecosystem in Latin America we still use a lot the term base of the pyramid which kind of references to something that we the way we talk about racial equity at the Kellogg Foundation is addressing a false hierarchy of human value really identifying that unfortunately in society all oppressive systems hold a hierarchy but unfortunately in the impact sector we've been talking about base of the Pyramid as an object that's a place where we want to make business and we want to make money out of and we're really trying to change that we really what we've been focusing on is how do we change the vision of communities that are facing poverty or other challenges instead of looking them as a business opportunity looking to these community leaders as partners as entrepreneurs really business men and women so I think that's something else that we've been really working on and that we encourage everyone to shift that mindset around impact and around how do we engage with community and the last thing I'll say very briefly is how important taking the time to nurture these relationships are how context is so important and the partnership the partnership yes with local communities with local NGOs and non-profits with companies with other foundations with funds with investment and really this is the only way that we can articulate ecosystems that really center community but also create avenues for the participation of communities in different chains in the value chain Lastly I'll say that one key factor for us and why we came to Socap is thinking that we need more investment in Latin America especially in places where not many people want to invest and the barriers we see is first of all not much interest in investing in these areas and I think we can say maybe one of the reasons this session is not completely practice because of that that's one barrier that we face but also is language and for us language is key to everything we do it's paramount today we're not having translation with devices we talked to Socap it was complicated but we will be doing translation and we will be doing so because we think it's important it's a statement for us that people can communicate and unfortunately I don't speak which is Juan's language but I speak Spanish and I will be translating for her so yeah that's it Thank you Sebast I'll build on something that Sebast said and will ask a question to Juana so that she has an opportunity to share with us but one of the things that I would share briefly that is fundamentally I think important for us is that we've had the privilege over a decade to really see what what change looks like when we talk about how we define impact and we're reminded every day that so many of the challenges and contextual issues that communities are facing are historical they're historical, they're systemic so then there's an opportunity and there's a need to look at what does individuals and institutions need for the markets in the region but also what are some of the systemic changes that are required in order to again see the kind of impact that Juana and Patrick are leading every day so with that Juana would you please share with us your experience as a Tutsil entrepreneur you are the founder and owner of a social enterprise you've partnered in many ways with other small enterprises so you have a truly complex understanding and view of what does the conditions look like related to opportunities but also the gaps around innovative financing thank you very much for the space and for the opportunity and I'm very grateful to represent the women of the original peoples Chiapas and Mexico because this is a space that is not won and is not seen normally in the original peoples that a woman speaks and that is the center that you hear so that more or less understand the context of my community I'm going to talk a little about my personal history of how was the process for me that was not so easy to get out from my house to ask permission from my parents to take courses, diplomas and all that and it shouldn't be like that because we all have the same rights but unfortunately there are uses and customs in the communities and they are still very rooted towards us as women in the original peoples and we are the ones who pay for all that of the gender role of how society also so thank you I want to thank for this space and the opportunity to share on representing and on behalf of the women of Chiapas the indigenous women of Chiapas recognizing that these spaces are earned but are not common to have at the center of the stage the voice of a woman at the center of the stage I want to talk about my community and my context in my community my personal story how hard it was for me to go out of home and get out of home and community and the role of women in communities it's very important to recognize that we should all have the same rights and unfortunately women don't have the same rights and the same opportunities as women this is in part because of tradition and some conservator views in my community but unfortunately women are the ones who have to pay for this way of being and I just want to talk to you about the role of gender and some of the barriers I've had in my history I started taking courses, diplomas on different topics because obviously in my house there are not many topics like for example in reproductive sexual health it was there where I opened the panorama of knowing myself of my dreams of what I really want in life and that also encouraged me especially with young people and I feel that now many people ask me how do you do it how do you discover that path because we also want to have those experiences for the simple fact of traveling for example that also motivates women a lot to continue preparing too I've been taking courses 15 years old I've been preparing myself in many different topics in my house there were a lot of issues key issues like reproductive health that were not talked about and that really has helped me discover my dreams and my path in life and that really helped me discover my vocation in working with women particularly young women and now people from my community how do you do it how have you achieved this how can we have the same experience that you are having in the original peoples we believe that every person whatever we believe in God the universe sends us to a purpose for example I one day I met an extraordinary woman in which I am very grateful with her who unfortunately passed away in 2020 called Adriana Aguerrevere in which I feel that she also had a very particular energy in which she motivated many women who were like the remolin who makes you and makes you feel very beautiful emotions in which you say not only I am seeing that but someone else is seeing it and I believe that those people are worth how to name them and I believe that there are so many women, so many people that we are here that we are looking for the good common for something we are here and I wherever Adriana is I always honor her with my heart and I will always love her because she was one of the women that I really feel that was who motivated me and accompanied me and many times because sometimes also working in society is not easy to take that path to open the way to be the first woman to say I don't want this in my life I don't want to suffer violence I don't want to do something for future children future generations young people really have that to have their rights to know their rights and all that and really find people so many organizations and here present Carla Monce and the other friends sincerely I feel that has been that accompaniment that we need not the women of the original peoples in indigenous communities each people has different type of beliefs either we believe in God or sometimes some sort of spirituality that help us find our purpose what's our purpose in life I want to honor Adriana Guerrevere who I met a few years ago and unfortunately she passed away she really had that energy that motivated me it was like a storm in a way that all these good emotions I could recognize in herself and I didn't feel alone I could see that other women were experiencing what I was experiencing and it's a feeling and it's very important that as women we recognize that common goal that purpose and that good life and wherever Adriana is right now I always bring have her close to my heart and honor her memory because it's really what we want to do live a life free of violence in our communities and a society in the society it's very hard to be a woman and break break the mold create new paths and really go out of the established roles we have to fill in our communities and I don't want any any other kids in the future or any other woman to suffer this and my work is really rooted in this we also have other artisans in the room and other women that have been working with artisans and I also want to honor that This is a small context so that you also have an idea because it's not easy to face and get on the boat I mean, I want to be I want to be the example of the other partners and that we really have those resources opportunities to be able to direct ourselves towards our dreams Impact has been one of the organizations excuse me, the other organizations present here specifically Impact because I have worked and we have been with the organization for 10 years and it has been one of the paths that we have had more collaborations more opportunities to work by hand and I feel that there are many organizations in Chiapas that really have the same transparency the collectivity and the objective that we all want to achieve sustainable development the good living as we say in the original peoples It's very hard to take the leadership role to be the example for other women the opportunity that we have to show other women that we can fulfill our dreams and it's very important and I want to mention Impacto because they are here and because they are the organization that I have been working with together and really partnered that how key their role has been to create the conditions and to have these opportunities to grow together but also I want to encourage the other organizations that want to work in Chiapas to have that same transparency and collaboration so that we can build those opportunities for the good life or the good living and we can continue creating partnerships for success Not only do we think about working, working but we also have our own history our family, our society and all that to take into account and I think that if we really want to have a social impact that's exactly it to think about the good living because we have our own working rhythm and we are not machinery to be able to develop thousands of products at the same time but everything has its process, its history and all that. Thank you very much I know I have just a few minutes but as an indigenous entrepreneur and woman I just want you to know that we have our own process and for any investors who are interested in supporting our process I want you to know that for us it's important not only to work our history, our family, our society that's real impact taking into account all of those things from our perspective what it really means to have a good life what a good rhythm of work is that's impact we don't want to be machines we can't develop millions of products we cannot follow the logic of work that is based out of machines and that's what I want you to have in mind when you partner with us so thank you so much Juana and with that we want to turn it over to Patrick we've heard from Juana her story very impactful story and we would really like for you to tell us a little bit more about you about your work in Haiti and the same know what barriers what are some things that have been difficult for you what opportunities do you see how can we create innovation in how we finance projects like yours thank you good morning everyone Dana, Steve Bass, Juana it's an honor to be here well a little bit about me I'm from Haiti my mom came from the north side of Haiti and my father on the south side I I never had the opportunity to spend a lot of time in Haiti when I was a kid but I was always driven by the feeling that I need to do something you know to make an impact in Haiti and with that I grew up in Paul Prince I've been to Haiti Paul Prince is the main city the capital city that's where you have all the financial deals happening the hospital, the good schools so I grew up here in Paul Prince then after that after high school I did my first degree in Haiti and then I headed to the US for two years and then after that I decided to come back in Haiti after the earthquake that was the turning point in my life and as Dana said in the introduction when I moved to Haiti I spirited the Zafen program with Paul University a group of people in the diaspora and I wanted to see how we can build the business ecosystem in Haiti the entrepreneur ecosystem was deeply affected, really weak and a lot of people in Haiti were suffering so I did the model was to finance direct enterprises to an online platform called Zafen and I was at the honor to meet a lot of entrepreneurs to hear about the story and what the business plan what we call them the memo and try to find funding from them after that I had the opportunity to work for Wood Capital as Dana said impact first at the cultural ender you know what to my heart sending me been traveling throughout the country to meet coffee farmers cocoa farmers rice farmers the main idea is to make sure that the production we export the product why export is because is in foreign currency so you know between the US dollar and the Asian gold there's a fluctuation happening so we saw the impact we saw the impact that alone can have on the co-op and the impact of the co-op on the member doing all that but it's been difficult I need to be honest I mean Haiti is a very very difficult place to operate and the ecosystem is really weak so we have to build the ecosystem you know trying to find some pathological partners like we have some of them in the in the room I would like to acknowledge Clay HDE and and I will say the best thing just to be honest the best thing that happened to Woo-Woo enterprises in Haiti and locally led organization is the rival of the Kellogg Foundation why because the Kellogg Foundation took the time to understand the reality and they put what I call a trust-based philanthropy rooted in localization and with that we had the opportunity to you know to gather around a lot of enterprises in three main geographic department the south the central plateau and the west the central corridor for the Kellogg Foundation and then we decided to base our operation on a queer world that we call combit combit is like a world that when you gather a bunch of organizations having the same mission and our mission in Haiti is to make sure forming communities they can live in the communities they can create wealth and the son and daughters can actually be proud of being Haitian challenges we have many challenges but I will say that with the local community and the local organization we are driven by challenges because in every challenge we see an opportunity and the opportunity in Haiti we have the contest we have contest opportunities and right now after 10 years when we we learn, we have a lot of lessons learned we made a lot of investments I mean some really good investments some bad investments as well and we sat down and we created a consortium and that's why I'm going to picture about this afternoon we call it the Haiti Food System Alliance and the Haiti Food System Alliance we said all our lesson learned the failures we had over the years so we say okay we already know exactly what happened so the best it happened because we didn't have the part of the logical partners to do it so the consortium is comprised of 14 organizations well known organization in Haiti doing good work with a very distinct expertise and that we we're seeing the progress we're seeing the progress our voices are getting are being heard by the government because the government in Haiti also is a very key partner but since Haiti is a country financed by philanthropy and aid at 80% and since we have a lack of enterprises that can receive the tax revenue so the government is really weak and doing that I think I'm really happy that the Kellogg Foundation they have the hope program so we need to raise 90 million dollars for Haiti in the next three years so with that and the partners we have in the room the network we already established in the country we see a pathway to what are called systemic change and systemic change for us is to make sure that with the system alliance people can eat at least on a daily basis the community is safe the kids can go to school and actually the businesses we created the businesses we're supporting they're making enough money to hire people tax revenues for the government to collect and make it like drafting a better future for Haitian in general and yeah and listening to Wana I understand Spanish but I'm not too fluent but Wana's story is similar to a lot of women I know in Haiti a lot of women organizations a lot of women entrepreneurs and I'm really happy that I had the opportunity to connect with her I think between Haiti and Mexico we're going to have a better collaboration exchange and I'm here until tomorrow if you have more questions about Haiti I'm happy to connect thank you thank you so much Patik, thank you Wana I think that there's one there's one key thing that both Wana and Patik remind us is that those enterprises those ecosystem players are at the front line of changing people's lives every single day and for us as a foundation we've had the honor and the privilege to see it firsthand and we want to share this with you when we listen to the news and we listen to all of the barriers we don't want to be selfish we are so excited about the opportunities that we see and we want to engage you around those opportunities and share what we've learned and what we've seen in terms of the power and really efficacy of those organizations so as I think both Wana and Patik alluded as well with eight of their other partners they will be pitching at the end of the day today so we're inviting you to not only participate to the pitch engage with them but also consider this a long-term engagement because we've been partnered with them for over a decade so we know that in some ways there are some tangible short-term return on investment that we know are possible kind of transformation that we're all talking about even as we think about the SDGs is going to take long-term partnership and we're excited to explore partnership with you so with that because we can't leave this room and not glean and learn from you from your reflections and we invite you to really sit deep with your reflections we're going to organize ourselves into two workshops and if we can please maybe turn the next slide thank you so much so we're going to be spending the rest of our time around really three conversations two will be workshops no but I think we have them okay so let me I want to walk you through through the workshops so what we'll do we'll have two series of workshops and on your tables and we have post-its and we'll have the first series of conversation which is about 19 minutes and the one Amy is our timekeeper so Amy yes please Amy 10 minutes what is it 10 minutes okay thank you Amy so we'll have 10 minute per workshop so we'll have two workshops the third workshop is about 10 minute conversations the questions are on your table and the invitation is for you to really do share your insights your lesson your doubts because together this is the kind of conversation that we hope can move us into truly practical steps forward we'll ask that on your table somebody serves as a host we will need a timekeeper and we're asking for volunteer thank you in advance we'll need a timekeeper and we'll also need somebody who will gather together the post-its and those post-its will be posted at the end of the workshop on to this board and the reason why we're doing this is because we are truly going to follow up with the gathered insight because we want to share with the broader community what you've shared and continue to exchange with you in the future and at the end of the second workshop we do open we hope to have an open discussion if you have questions for us we're happy to take them but most importantly we do also want to hear from you and I will be here if there's any any clarity that is needed and with that Sebastián if you want to add anything yes just we're going to have one table that is Spanish speaking whoever wants to engage in that table is going to be here in the front and just I'll be collecting your post-its please as they start coming up we really want to capture some ideas we're planning to do report out of that at the end and so it's going to be super key that you bring your ideas to the boards up front as you can and thank you and the Creole table is over there if you're more comfortable with the Creole table thank you okay it's with great sadness that we're wrapping up but we'll open it up for now for a bit of a high level reflection in your comments but most importantly inviting you and reminding you that we will have 10 amazing pitches at the end of the day so do not miss the pitches invite your colleagues, invite your partners to come in here for yourself exactly the kind of impact the kind of return really that those social enterprises are having in Haiti and Mexico and with that I will pass it to Sebast who's going to read a couple of high level comments in terms of takeaways from your conversations and then we'll open it up for further comments, reflections and inviting you to continue this conversation with us this week and beyond thank you Sebast so unsurprisingly we have a lot of different ideas that are focused on community and that's really good to see I'll just read them in Spanish and English representación de comunidades y herramientas de difusión representación de comunidades and tools for broadcasting or promoting their work there's a lot of them like this in terms of equity in terms of shifting the responsibility from communities of measuring impact there are other ideas that have to do with that communities are not in charge of measuring the impact that is not imposed on them models of impact that are in line with their needs trust building a lot of trust trust based lending so this is really I think what a lot of comments are coming to is trust your partners, trust the communities you're working with muchas ideas son sobre la confianza sobre la importancia de confiar en las comunidades hacer préstamos basados en la confianza me imagino que tiene que ver mucho también con el tema de las garantías y de como manejamos el riesgo este llamado a confiar also a lot about data and how data is collected and different models of data data that is important for communities solutions that are not one solution fits all but actually solutions or measuring instruments that are based on communities needs and what community wants to measure and what indicators are based on the prosperity of community también muchos datos y muchos indicadores que tienen que ver con la comunidad qué cosas son importantes para la comunidad es medir cuál es esa medida de prosperidad que esté definida por la comunidad and there's also a trend around gender equity and the role of women balancing out the work of women at home and with economic development the right of women to take control of quality and their products and account accounting methods what are some of the capacity building needed to be done there también hay muchas respuestas que tienen que ver con el rol de las mujeres y un enfoque género tener un balance mejor entre el trabajo del lugar y las actividades económicas tener algunas capacitaciones específicas para las mujeres so that's primarily a very big summary of what we have here, very good ideas around barriers and how we eliminate the language barriers another idea about diaspora as a source of impact capital and a lot of ideas around collaboration and innovation in collaborating so that's a very quick summary but if anyone wants to participate and give us any additional thoughts or questions that you may have for the panelists or this is, we have a few minutes to engage in conversation si alguien más también quiere comentar algo y tenemos unos minutos para so I we had a really great conversation on our table here especially because we were very lucky to have different organizations from around Latin America but also the artisans and the indigenous women that are actually on the ground who we are reaching and working with for many years already and this sort of like sent me into a thought of everything that we're doing and the impact that we make is incredible but what are sort of my question for Dana and for Sebas if this exists and if so how maybe this should be made into a system that once an organization whether it's the Kellogg Foundation or our smaller organizations that work in smaller communities the impact on the work that we do that's great but how do we document that what we teach the communities and what we teach the organizations how do we document that so that once the funding organizations are gone they can continue to replicate without organizations that are funding how can they pass that on to generations not just because they learned that and they experienced it but actually leaving them with a manual a guide of throughout the project this is what's worked and this is how we made it successful and here's your manual so that you can teach others in your community to replicate the same thing without needing to be well not that we don't want to exist anymore but we're not going to be all here forever right so yeah that's a question that I had if that exists and if not maybe considering that we that that should be definitely a thing for long lasting impact and well in Spanish something that I was thinking what we were talking about here of the short-term solutions what has worked what has been missing what we're talking about here that once an organization reaches a zone and makes an investment and forms a project it's successful and everything that remains after that not only is it important that it remains learning that it remains a way of operating community and everything but I think it's also important to ask ourselves is it important to leave a manual that has a documentation that is what we were talking about this is what was successful and this is what you as community, as a group as a rural organization can continue working to teach others that this is the successful way in which a big organization because we avoid having to be a large organization constantly depending constantly that there are funds for this type of things and my question is that if that exists and we consider that it is important and to where it can be taken burning burning comments, no burning comments I know you have burning comments but it's okay, it's okay for now I think just kind of high level reflection and I'm using the reflection intentionally because the task and the work to move capital and to move resources and the way required to meet the challenge, the urgency and the power of you all and of community is a collective task because Sebas talked about positionality earlier we each as organizations and partners play different roles in this broader ecosystem we know that you are at the front line of change every single day but we also know that we have the urgent need even when we think about the SDGs broadly, globally we know we're not meeting them in 2030 we know that we have an urgency to act and to act now and to figure it out so I'm saying that to say I would say let's engage because what you raise is exactly but we also know that at this time even as different actors and partners in the ecosystem our language to talk about this is different what we mean sometimes is different so there's a lot of work that has to happen I think to get us aligned around incentives definitions, actions lessons learned in a way that is effective so that to your point we are not dealing with the same issues in 10, 20 years I would broaden the invitation I think that is exactly the what in engaging with us on our end, engaging with you collectively and hopefully today is not the beginning of a conversation because we know those conversations have started already but we hope it's a milestone in the conversation and we can use it as a linchpin to continue and we have some ideas around how do we increase the visibility and channels for your voice and your lesson and for the field and the sector so we'll definitely engage and please, please, please, please continue to share with us also what's not working, particularly what's not working because I think the more that we know what we need to live in the past I think the faster we can move forward and be effective and thank you so much for your work and your presence thank you