 Hello, hi. How are you doing? Welcome to Hibachi Talk. Gordo the Texar here. I'm here with a good old buddy, Andrew the security guy. Hello, everybody. And our guest today is Grant Miyashiro. My hero. My hero. My hero. Oh, my hero. Grant, my hero. My hero. General Manager of Island Signal and Sound. We're gonna learn a lot about trends and life safety systems today. Yeah, pretty cool stuff. We got some news happening on that side and so on. So please grab a libation, pull up a chair. Cheers. Towel. Cheers. You know, and join us in a And he'll build his happy today. 30 minute fun-filled show. Here we go. So, oh, we got, oh, we have segments, but before we do the segments, we like, I want to just get a little bit of your background. Sure. Where'd you go to school? Kind of like, you know, from the womb. It's not that far. He's a young guy. He is true. He's still got his hair. So that's, you know, that's a one-up on us. I got that going for me. So a little background, please. Born and raised in Hawaii, Kailua Boy. Right on. From public school up to sixth grade. What school you all went to? To, in China Lake and then, like, my parents sent me to Yolani. Right on. Oh, like, oh, you sound like it was a bad thing. First, you know, that sixth grade, we were still all boys. That was pretty traumatic. Oh, that would be tough. But no, it's just good. No. I graduated, went off to the mainland in LA, Oksanano College, majored in math. All right. I really know what I wanted to do with it. Wow. I thought maybe I'd be a teacher or something. In Christian, man. In Christian. There's a lot of high-paying jobs as a math teacher. Right. Gave, I gave being an actuary a role. Oh, wow. Ended up falling into fire alarm, honestly. Interestingly enough, a friend of mine, a fellow classmate, had been hired by Island's signal and sound, you know, to help out with marketing things. Right. This was 92, and they were still using typewriters and really hadn't implemented any computer stuff. Any computer stuff. So he said, Grant, come over, help us build a database. You need to track our bids and things like that. Okay. And so I was there for about a month building access databases to track bids and things like that. And then you know, they're a fire alarm company, and they said they needed help doing a fire alarm test. Okay. Grant, can you come out? To go test one? Yeah, help you out. Just pull all the pull stations, you know, and that's what I did and kind of fell into it. And we live and die, no pun intended, or maybe we live and die by these fire alarm systems and all the signaling systems and things. All over the place now. Everywhere. Yes, they are. Condominiums, office buildings, schools. I mean, just think of where they are. You know, it's right there. We take it for granted that it's going to work. Yeah, it's a lot behind it. We'll get in a little bit of it. It's everywhere. See, you never see it. Wow. So wow, this is going to be cool. So we'll get, we'll get, we'll dig a little deeper. And speaking of digging a little deeper, okay, we got, we got our segment called, you know, got one tech job. Let's see what you got. So these are people that maybe don't have a different, you know, don't can't find jobs like in the tech industry, like we have. Or shouldn't have one. So this is a kill inspector. Kill inspector. You live in it closely. Wow. Angus sent me this one. So. Okay. What's Angus been up to? That's interesting. Why do I have to ask about that? Well, you know, something on there. Anyway, so that guy has no tech job and may not have no life after the end of that one. So that was it. That would get hurt. That would get hurt. So anyway, and then I got a little bit of news, so I'll do a little bit of news. But we have a scoop on the news today. You're going to be here part of our part of the things that happened. So we have found out that there is a thing called the global natural history day competition. Yes. Global natural history day competition. It was in Shanghai, China this past week, July 21 through 25, I think it was or something like this. And so the gold medal winners of that competition are from Hawaii. 3,000 competitors. Look at that. There it is right here. So 3,000 competitors. Kelsey Casabar and Dinah Annabe. Annabe. And she's the chaperone. And then Calvin Rasmussen, who was a guest on our show. Yes. We had him on our show earlier. They were gold medal winners for their presentation on development versus preservation. And they did a thing on the H3's effect on the cultural landscape. What? School? Yeah. Calvin's got to come back on now. He's got to give his fellow there. The guy in the middle is Kenneth Bering. His name might sound familiar to some people. He's a philanthropist. A what? Ah, lips don't work well. That's a long word. I'm one syllable. That's all I can handle. Anyway, he's a philanthropist and did a bunch of things to help these people put this together. And he was a former owner of the CLC. He probably made some money when he sold them. He probably made a few pennies there. So congratulations to these young men. That's amazing. 3,000 competitors. 3,000 competitors. Now they're all different divisions, but within their division they're gold medal winners. That's awesome. Calvin's got to come on and tell us about it. We've got to hear about it. It's got to be pretty cool. This is his grandson, by the way. Oh yeah, well, it's not. I'm trying to be a little peep. Anyway, breaking news. Then we do a little segment. Yeah, that was a scoop. There's another organization called Powbox that we are affiliated with. In San Francisco, they do a lot of health care, hip and compliant work. And encrypted email. And they just signed an 1,800 seat hospital, by the way. That's atomic. Way to go, Huala. They've done something over there. They always give me updates on what's happening in the security, in the healthcare side, and so on. So they were saying that the Office of Civil Rights and the Department of Health and Human Services finds healthcare providers for violating patients' medical info. It's a big time. In 2014, there were 17,000 complaints. Yep. In 2014. The OCR, as their call says, that the reason for the documents aren't public and because the budget constraints, they're not able to look and do more suits. They're going to go after more. Anyway, in 2016, so far, there's been 2.75 million dollars in fines. Wow. To doctors, medical operations and so on. Yeah, so Huala's helping them in crypto communications, right? Yeah. Actually, no, the 2.75 million dollar was a penalty to the University of Mississippi Medical Center. Oh, just one? Wow. Healthcare records are so valuable on the dark web. That's right. And in 2015, there was a total of 6.2 million in fines. And as of right now, 2016, it's even higher than that. Yeah, so if you're not taking care of your input compliance information, get ahold of Powbox. A lot of people, I've been heard. I've been told that our show gets watched at a couple of senior centers now. And so they should be making sure that their medical records and their doctors and care providers are encrypting and making sure that their medical records are safe. Yeah, Huala's doing... He's a local guy. No, he went to... No, he went to... No, not Farrington. Roosevelt. McKinley. He's in Silicon Valley now with his company. So anyway, that was my news of the day. Good news. So what is a life-safety system? A life-safety system is what we call fire alarm systems. The primary purpose of a life-safety system is to get people out of a building in the event of a fire. So it's not, as opposed to, say, a fire suppression system which preserves the building. Fire sprinkler isn't really going to help you if you're in the same room because they had melt set at 135 degrees or something. Right. So it's done already. Right. You're not comfortable for sure. So if it takes a long time to get out of the building, if you need to know ahead of time because it may take you a few minutes to go downstairs, the building code requires that you have a fire alarm system to let people know. And what's in an alarm? I know you've got the sound. We've heard those. Then the alarm goes off. Why didn't they always go off at 2 o'clock in the morning? Are there like particulate sensors? Do they track particulates like in AC systems or is that smoke? Yeah, there's different ways to detect smoke. We have photoelectric detectors which basically have a chamber. I actually brought one here. Oh, it's a show and tell. Yeah. It's kind of hard to talk about if we're going to have fun with fire alarm. But this is a smoke detector inside. You can see it. There's a chamber in here. There's an LED that flashes and a receiver. And when it gets obscured, usually set around 3%, it goes into alarm. So it's the smoke itself that obscures it. That's pretty cool. Unfortunately, there's a lot of other things that can obscure it. Steam, dust. When you're cooking, do they go off? Oh, yeah, I've done that. If you weren't cooking at 2 a.m., it wouldn't go off at 2 a.m. I guess I could say I haven't done that, but I have. So yeah, when I over-fry my scallops and this smoke goes off. That's part of the dilemma. It's not hard to turn the damn thing off. Well, the fire alarm systems vary on the type of building that you have. And truth be told, even with the best detector of fires, you don't have to be aware of where human being... Oh, reasonably aware. What can you sense it? You're going to know at a time, and you're going to know all that steam versus... Oh, I see it 2 a.m. We're in trouble already. So for a small building, we don't always have to have smoke detectors. So typically, a smaller occupancy schools, for instance, they have... Yeah, these are pool stations. Right, because if there's a fire... I didn't know that. So the code requires that you have them at all the exits within five feet of the exit. You don't have to go out of your way along the path of egress. So this is what we would call a manual fire alarm system. And that's the one where you... Right, we call it wetwear. Wetwear. When you've got certain occupancies where people are sleeping, like a residence or a door... Well, even these assisted living facilities are coming, cropping up all over, skilled nursing facilities, which are not quite hospitals. Those are staff 24-7 though. They are, that's true. So is it the staffing level that leads to the requirement of where you can go manual versus having detectors or... It has to do with a bunch of different things, like whether you have sprinklers in the building because that will suppress a fire at the source. Now, older buildings don't... Correct. And that's got to be a challenge. Yes, it is. To try to bring... I guess they're in fact not up to code. What the code is today. Yeah, that's a funny thing. We grandfathered life safety. That doesn't sound like a good practice to me. That's what we call it, right? Because it was already... before the law came up, it was already built. This is life safety we're talking about. I personally am more of a fan of seeing these things change. It's been one life. Didn't we do our job properly? Wouldn't it be nice if there were federal grants that would allow you to bring those buildings that are not at current code up to code? That would be a good spend of the money. I think there's a few states that are now mandating homes. Is that correct? Home sprinklers? Are they talking about maybe... Yeah, that's actually the building code. It's a building code. For new construction. I didn't have a sprinkler in your house. Just think of that. Well, you guys must be busy with all this stuff that's going in that down there. And the current code? Well, we'll talk a little bit about code in segment two. There's a grant so crowed wizard, I'll tell you that. It's a crowed wizard? We had a few talks about that. A crowed wizard? A crowed wizard, yes. You gotta do a lot of programming. You do? Well, it might be a good idea then. We'll just segment into a break. Yeah, take a quick break. Pay some bills. And then we'll grab Angus. We've got Angus. Angus will come up, do his thing, and then we'll come back and we'll talk about the code. The secret code. There's so many. Anyway, so thank you. Thank you guys for watching us here. We'll be back in about a minute. Hey everybody, my name is David Chang and I'm the new host of the new show, The Art of Thinking Smart. 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Slow dune. Slow dune. What is that? Slow dune. You didn't go fast. You're slow dune. What is that? Slow dune. Okay. Can you say that three times? I don't have to guess anything on this one. You know what it means? Slow down. Very good. You're almost a bilingualist now. Not only can you speak it, you can read it. Good job. I got my week gadget of the week. Show me. I've been doing a lot of traveling. I'm walking and walking and walking. Look at this. You don't have any legs. You're crawling. I got one leg. This is how I got. Look at the gadget of the week. It's a moto bag. Is this for real? Yeah, it's just motorized luggage. It's motorized luggage. Oh my goodness. It holds 85% of what you put in a normal carry-on. It does 5 miles per hour. And you scoot around the airport. I'm not. How do you get that through the freaking thing? It's an engine. It's TSA approved and FDA approved. Is it got a battery? It's got something in it. I don't know what kind of battery, but it's something. I got to see a picture of you on your moto bag. What did it cost? $995. No, no. It's way too big for me. I can see me scooting around the airport in that. TSA guy chasing me. You'll be chasing all the last years. I don't know. I like that. Anyway, the moto bag. I'm going to get myself one. All the money I make on this show. Not. That's my gadget of the week. My language of the week. Remember everybody. This is a wow, man. I'm going to get a moto bag. I don't understand anything quite like that. Let me get onto my security minutes. I know school is going to be coming up soon and some of you guys are starting off the university. There are some questions that you might want to ask that you may not think about. You might want to ask that university when you apply about their mass notification, their life safety systems. First of all, does the state or the federal have any recommendations for MNEC and do they follow them? How does their system compare to other schools that you might be looking at? Make sure you're paying attention to that. What's the testing procedure that they have for their MNEC system? Who's allowed to use it? Who's going to get trained on it? A little bit more about data, too, when they've had us an event on site. How do they protect that data? What do they do with it? How do they store it? A few other things I thought were interesting. Does their MNEC system cover all of the rally points or the evacuation points? Can you still hear the information that's going on once they've egressed you to an area that they've told you to go to? How do they handle access control? Do they have some redundancy built into the MNEC? Do they have multiple forms of communication built into that system? Do they provide for language barriers for different types of languages or for ADA type folks? So make sure you're asking these questions because it's your safety. You're going to spend a lot of time there. I know you're more interested in getting your dorm near the library, which is important, but your safety is important, too. I'm going to end that question and take those with you. Take it serious. Thanks, everybody. So we'll talk a little bit about MNEC grants with us today. MNEC is mass notification and emergency communications. I should have said that. Thanks for going to always get me off my... What are those called? Acronyms, yeah. So how long have you been with Ireland's signal and sound? Almost 25 years. We can call you an expert in that. He's an expert. You have seen a lot of changes. Yes, we have a lot of changes. In the codes. What do we use now? So NFPA National Fire Protection Association? Right. So code books. They remind me of my daughter's... He has this on his brain. It's like an SAT. They update them every three years. I guess that's how NFPA makes their money and stays in business. I think so. They change... Like science books. NFPA-1 2012, which the state and the county has adopted. When did they adopt it? Last year? Not in 2012. It was November of 2015. It takes them a lot of adjust. When they adopt it, they don't adopt everything. They have men's certain things. Maui County is closed a little different from Honolulu's and Kauai's. But this is the base document. Wow, that's pretty... That's the National Fire... Yeah, the National Fire Code. I'd like to comply with this as well. There's the building code. Which is the International Building Code, IBC. IBC does. Does that have fire requirements in it as well? It does. Okay, so how the code works... Tell us how this works. The building code covers all the different kind of occupancies and things like that. What the requirements are. They have a little blurb on what kind of fire alarm system you need. Manual, automatic, high-rise, those kind of things. If it's an assembly or church occupancy, there's a lot of people in there. What the building code says is what you need. And then the fire code has a little bit of that. Fire code is what the fire department enforces. It's not just fire alarm, obviously. It's all kind of things like fireworks and explosives and storing fuel. But there's a little chapter in it that talks about, okay, this is what it needs to do. Do we have a fire marshal in Hawaii? Yes, we do. They're part of the fire department. And we have federal ones also for the fed side. Right, so the fed side. Is there ever a conflict in what the code is and what the county might want? Never. In our industry, we call them the authority having jurisdiction. AHJ. It's law. So it could be that the NFPA document may not be as stringent as a local requirement. Or vice versa? Well, I'll put this nicely. So you have the building code which is one document. You've got the fire code that's another document. And it's a different publisher. It's not NFPA, it's IBC. And there's actually when they adopted they actually had an amendment that says for I think it was Chapter 903 it says see the fire code. So that's good. That's good. The AHJ has the final interpretation. There's a lot of gray area. But there's things, isn't there like distances and so you can't have strobes can have an impact on people with epileptics. So there are certain flash rates and all these certain tones and certain things that have to... Is that fire code or building code? Well, it's part of the... Oh, got another book. So this is, like I said, in the fire code there was just one little chapter, but this is the this is the national fire alarm and signal code. This is another NFPA document and this really tells you the how. This is our Bible. So that's how to do it. It tells you, okay, if you're going to put a strobe in it's got to be 80 inches on the wall or if it's on the ceiling depending on how high the ceiling is, how bright the strobe needs to be, how you're going to space your detectors, what kind of detectors do they have, all that kind of it's a real technical... And what about voice? So the mass notification of that is kind of like alerting people via voice, alerting them via text or alerting them via social media. Is there guidance for that? Certain buildings and I brought another book. And actually another thing, so this is... Yeah, toys. I love this guy, it's like show and tell. Yeah, show and tell. Nobody knows this thing. Okay. But they might be leaving the building. So that's the... Can I have one of those? Bill, Bill, he's on the run. That's the international standard to evacuate. Japanese, they come here, they should know. They call it a Temporal 3 signal. So that's the international standard. So no matter where I go... If you hear that run... Yeah, you hear that, you know that... But they don't use it for like tsunami or do they? Is that only for fire? No, yeah, that's just a fiery back. So that means egress the building you're in. You get your sorry butt out of there. Right, wow. So you talked about mass notification. Yeah, so with voice and things like that. Because you can hear that thing going, right? That's a signal that's standard for smaller buildings, but if you have a high-rise or a building that has a lot of occupants and you need to give specific instructions like, you know... Go to go. Yeah, or do not use the main entrance or something like that. Or maybe even some buildings say, if you're not on the fire floor, just stay where you're at. Then you need speakers. I've been in a building where it said a fire alarm please remain in your unit. And so how do they judge it? Is it these are bad, like decibels? Like about how loud they are? And the voice stuff's a little more complex. It's got to be a certain decibel level. It needs to be 15 decibels above the ambient sound level, that kind of thing. So, you know, what things could you recommend that our viewers, you know, things to make sure that they have, you know, that they have in their homes or in their condos or whatever. Even those, you know, some that aren't compliant on today's code. It's NFPA 12 from 2001 from 2012. That building may have built in 1975. So, what should they do? Well, the first thing you want to make sure is or the property management is that the system gets inspected annually. There's a maintenance aspect to it, just like your car needs a safety system. You call Island signal for that. Right. And one of the things that the fire department does when they, the planned review guys in the building department is, when there is a change to the building that will often trigger a requirement to upgrade your system. Oh, really? So, if I do a certain change to a building, they may say, okay, now you got to make it compliant with NFPA 2012. Well, we say the current fire department. Whatever the current code is. But that could be a real problem if you don't want to spend all that money. Yeah, if you didn't budget for it. There's a lot of, you know, shopping centers or condos that may have a retail first floor, you know, like a store. Right. We've seen that happen where, or even for schools, they'll get a new, they'll have an old system that's a bell base. It's not a temporal three, it's a bell. Right. And they'll put in a temporary facility and hey, that thing is, you know, it's new. It's going to have that temporal three horn. Right. But you get out of the building and you hear bells, like a steady, yeah. And the fire department says, oh, you know, you're going to have to upgrade the rest of your campus now. And they should want to, so part of the design, the possible property management property ownership, I think, is keeping life safety systems up to date. Right. At least budgeting for it. Yeah, yeah. Make sure it's in your reserve study. Well, now that I go back to my condo, I make sure. Right. Are you on the budgeting committee? Yeah. $3,000 special assessment. But yeah, the big impact, especially for the condo owners is one of the things that the fire department really harps on is is audibility. And a lot of these buildings that were built in Makiki say, you know, with the cinder block walls. Yeah. They had one bell in the middle of the hallway. Yeah. And the guy at the end, he can't hear it. I lived in one of those. I mean, that's all we had. Wow. That's all we had. So update your systems. So update the systems, I think, even if you want to do something personal, right, put something, a fire detector, a smoke detector, you can buy them. Right. Yeah. And when you live, right, you need to have buy them and change the batteries every New Year's or something so you don't get it. Thank you. Grant, pleasure having you on the show. It goes fast. So you're with Island Signaling Sounds. He knows the code back and forth. He knows it like no one else. So anyway, here we are, number 79 in our Collector's series of solo cups. All right. We don't send any one away empty handed. No good deed does not go unrewarded. Anyway, we want to thank you all for joining us here today. We want to thank Emily, Zuri and Nick once again for NJ for helping us pull this off. And as we always say at the end of the show, we never give you a heads up on that. One, two, three, how you doing?