 Welcome to season two episode eight of the Nintendo Prime podcast. How we all do it today? Yeah, I hope we're doing good. Whoa, whoa, yeah. All right, guys, we did it for the first time in episode one. We have the OG six pack all together at the same time. Although, obviously, all of us have been, you know, back on the shows other times. I'm your host, as always. Nintendo Double Chance, Mr. Nintendo Prime in the other big screen to my immediate. I don't know that you guys is right my left. I don't know it's Eric Moore. How's it going, bud? Good, good. It's good. We got the hype man himself. You know, he was too busy. Probably trying to get over his heart attack from his kingdom. To come out last week. How's it going, buddy? Oh, I'm doing I'm doing great. I'm ready to talk all things that Nintendo and the tears of the kingdom. And I'm so ready. That trailer, I'm not even going to start. I've got that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't worry. Our first time besides what we're playing lately is so good to be back. It's always a good time with y'all. Nice. We have a mic on. We're in the beanie. How's it going, buddy? Doing good. What's going on, guys? Just chilling. Do I like it? I like also after your tweet today that you're wearing these Zelda beanies specific. I'm loving it. Yeah, I did it on purpose. Yeah, I'm loving it. There's some else who's going to have to be wearing soon. Oh, I already did the doggy. Oh, well, I need to get the full costume is quite a show. I got the head right here. There's the hat. No, I got the Bowser head right over here, too. Nice. Nice. Then we got some donation back. How's it going, buddy? What's up, everyone? Happy to be here. Thanks for having me back, Nate. Happy to be back as part of the OG six pack, the reunion night. This is the first host Nintendo Direct podcast that we've got to talk about since I've been around. So I'm pretty pumped because I got a lot of thoughts to share on all that stuff. And yeah, because because we had one last week and it was like immediately after the direct. And most of us, I just think in shock, right? I was I don't have to get a podcast that same night. Man, that was the audio version. Yeah, release the audio version on Monday. And I was going I was going through it listening to it just to see if I needed to fix audio. And like a lot of us had a lot to say and very little of it was really about the direct because we just it's funny because I remember like you messaging me like ahead of time. And I'm like, yo, I know, but you're out of your mind. You think I'm like, I got work to do. I'm like, I don't let Nintendo mess up my schedule. And I was like Coraline's dad when he's doing the typing scene in the movie. That was like me all night. Even the week after Tears of the Kingdom comes out, I'm going to be streaming it like all day. I'm literally going to stop my stream to do the podcast on Wednesday that week. It's just it's just what's going to happen. No, you're just going to share the stream. Yeah, I'm going to keep playing it on the TV behind me. You're in the show anyway. That's the way to do it. Yeah. All right, we got Andres Restarts back. How's it going, bud? I'm doing good, doing good. You know, I got to say after last week, there's I don't think burnout's the right word, but definitely it was a little overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. But it was it was amazing. It was amazing. And you know, there's just so much to talk about. Like, well, I personally feel like we're just scratching the surface. Yes. Probably. I mean, that's the thing. We've been waiting really for a news cycle now for a couple of months and all of a sudden they just slam us with the best news cycle. I think in a long time, I mean, yeah, that's that second half of that direct was I don't even know. It was just banging after I don't know what they were doing. They just they just fooled us all with the first half. That's all I'm saying. Oh, Pikmin. And then a bunch of stuff you probably don't care about. Oh, don't worry. Second half. They did it until like the 38 minute mark to like reveal anything like, I mean, no, OK, first off, I thought most of the content again, the direct was pretty good, except for the fashion thing. But, you know, if you're into fashion, even that, I mean, if you're one of those people and it's whatever, you're like the core Nintendo fan base outside of like Pikmin four and some DLC stuff, which some DLC stuff was pretty hype. They waited like to like the 38 minute mark or something. I got a double check and people are like, oh, the direct is over. There's no Metroid. There's no zero. There's no Zelda. You know, that was so annoying. It's like, there's no, there's no like, oh, yeah. It's funny because even as they were showing the primary master stuff like over almost 40 minutes, there's not going to be any Zelda. Can you believe it? I'm like, they said roughly, guys, it's going to go over. Chill out. Yeah, yeah. They almost always go over it. And then there was there was one game that to me stood out that wasn't a first part of the Nintendo game that was, I think it was called fantasy life. It's, yeah, it's like Animal Crossing. It looks. Oh, OK, yeah. Yeah. So at least, you know, since Nintendo is done with Animal Crossing, I know that Animal Crossing will be happy jumping over to Fandana's weapon doing basically the same thing, but, you know, with the little extra on the side. I think that was a little highlight from the indie ones that were shown out there. I think that was my highlight from there. Nice. So halfway through the direct, Nintendo had a hold my beer moment. It's like, hold my beer, hold my beer, hold my beer content. I was trying to wind down from the NSO announcements and like, all right, guys, give me like a filler game that I don't care about. And then like immediately, Metroid Prime Remastered is on screen and I lost it. I couldn't handle it. Yeah, but with no warning either, right? They didn't have Kensuke Tanabe or Yoshio Sakamoto come out on stage. There wasn't like, OK, now we have a special announcement for you. It was almost just kind of done, not sizzle real, but like just a tear above sizzle real, which is insane. I think they wanted to skip right past the fact that Metroid Prime 4 has been in development for how long and we haven't talked about it. I was just probably wondering after we're out, you know, 18 months ago, 25 years now. Anyway, there is a but the most exciting part to me is the rumored games that were rumored along with the ones that came to life in this internal direct, that's still are still out there. And I think that Nintendo is going to pull another one of these at zero, baby. I think I think the ZX let's go. Yeah, because we found out that they were sitting on Metroid Prime since summer of 2021. It's like, holy crud. Like, what else are they sitting on? They are sitting on a lot. Mm hmm. Probably been sitting on Jesus, the Kingdom for a while at this point. I think I think Twilight Princess for those who were waiting for it and when Waker have to happen this year, because they work along those games. Did Jeff Krupp say that one, too? He talked about that one, too. Coming this year, last year, last year. And of course, he got it, he got the timing wrong. But maybe he, you know, one thing he said about that, you go. Yeah, I was going to say, one thing he did note about that the last time that he talked about it, as he said, he only had one source on it. Normally, he doesn't say anything unless he's got multiple. So it's one of those that maybe his source on that's really not that great. And he made a mistake. Yeah, yeah. So that one, I don't even think he thinks is like it's coming this year or anything. It was just an inaccurate report. Not a good report. He ate the owl on that one. Yeah. As did his co-host Mike Miani or whatever, because he had his own source. I guess it happens. Things go around. Sometimes it aren't real. There was a lot of stuff for Metroid. Like there was a lot of people talking about Metroid Prime remaster being a thing. We'll get into Metroid in a moment. So it's going to be our second topic today. But before we get into some more of that stuff, what have we been playing lately? And I already know Metroid Prime remaster is about to come up. I mean, probably all of us or most of us have probably played it. It's right there, baby. Eat it last night? Not for HMK. That's okay. I didn't play it yet either. And I got sent a free copy by Nintendo. And I still stuck it. I'm working on my 100% run starting maybe tonight. Download that shit right now. Maybe if I can just calm down with Tears of the Kingdom, I'll give myself a chance to play some video games. I see him. Oh my God. I was so busy making that. Let's put it this way, guys. I usually do a video a day. Since last week, I have produced over 11 videos on my channel. Yeah. He does a breakfast, a lunch, and a dinner video. Today, I actually, I was working on a second video for today. And I said, no, just no, Nate. You need a break. And then, and then during that break, I took a nap instead of playing games. All right. I'll just restart. I guess what have you been playing lately, as if it's any secret? Metroid primary mastered. That is it. That's been the game. I know it's going to have its own topic later, but I will tell you it is maybe the best game. Okay. All right. I'm going to try to try and shy away. It is the best game in February. Okay. I'm being an Octopath traveler, too. I mean, is that, did that come out yet? It's coming out this month. I'm sure that's a fine game. But it's not a masterpiece so far. Okay. Now, Metroid primary mastered is one of the best games on Switch. Like that, that I can say with confidence. Like if there's like a top 20 list, it's absolutely there. Maybe top 10. It's that good on Metacritic. It's a 95 in this day and age of 95 for a remaster. I'm guessing for you, it's top three. It feels just, it feels just, it's, it's Metroid prime. So like top one, so top one. Got it. I don't know. Metroid and Zelda are like right there. Like if, you know, before, before the, the Switch era, if you were to ask me what were my like top three fair games of all time, it would have been Arcadia time, Metroid prime, and then like five are the games that I can't decide. Maybe Resident Evil four would have been third. And then there's like Wind Waker and there's a few others. But Metroid prime is, is that good. And now, you know, we got Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild and stuff like that. But, but then this comes out and reminds you. It reminds me and also gives me, and it makes me, and it gives me confidence that Metroid prime four is going to be that, that level. Nintendo told us that was their aim. Maybe higher. Yeah. Maybe higher. Okay. That's what I'll point to. I know, I know it's not. I'm going to save it for the Metroid top. I know, I know, but I'm just going to say this. I'm going to say this. When they announced the delay, the only other time Nintendo put out like a dedicated video like that to announce the delay was for Zelda. And I feel like that says a lot, that those are the only two franchises they do it with. It's not necessarily in terms of sales expectation, although I bet they are hoping to push really good a sales Metroid prime four. It's more of a quality expectation. So you look at Metroid prime, what it is. It is a masterpiece. One of the highest rated games ever. It is true quality. They did one of the best remasters ever. Retro studios show that they still got it. It just further in like, to me, it makes it gives me more confidence that when prime four comes out, it is going to meet that expectation as the tallest, tallest, tallest it would. So it just has me super extremely excited. And I give it a try. It's only $40. Come on. It's an $80 game if you ask me. So definitely give it a try. Man, I'll get some controversy going. $80 game. That's it's a joke. It's a joke because people are double dipping. Yeah, people are double dipping because it's so cheap. They want to play it now. They get the physical later. Mike, what are you even playing lately, bud? So I did download Metroid prime, like that right after the announcement, but I have not touched it yet. Because I've been in tears of the king. I'm not tears of the king. Yeah, tears of the king. I love that. Whoa. Whoa, Mike. When did you get in the review program all too early? Tears of the kingdom mode. I mean, I tried to complete Breath of the Wild in Master mode. I just finally got out of Eventide Island. Oh, my favorite. For some reason, I found it easier in Master mode than I did in the regular mode. So one of those you've done it already. So you kind of know what to expect. But this is the thing. This is the thing. We playing all this time, Breath of the Wild, I never knew you could actually land on top of the Fat Man and then take the ball away. Yeah. And I've always been just battling and just defeating it to get the ball. So this time. I still defeated it just to get the items it has. Yeah, I can tell us about the items. I just want to get the ball. That's the time I got the ball. And then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're doing it the wrong ways. Yeah. But I was like, Cap Richardson was telling us how we could cheat it and put an ice platform and throw one of our weapons on the beach and then we'll have our weapon. That's cool. You can start off with like a 60 plus damage weapon. Have a good day. So I've been playing that. I've been playing Minish Cap on Game Boy Advance. Not too much. Not too interested about all the other games on Game Boy Advance right now, for some reason. I heard that there are some extra features because for some of the Game Boy Advance games, there are some GameCube connectivity features that you don't really have access to, but you do have access to them now through the online internal line. I'm not sure about which ones they are. I think there's one is a Mario game, but check the settings for some of your games that we're supposed to have, some GameCube connectivity. You might find something interesting. Nice. Okay, I'll check it out. But yeah, I've been playing those two games. I'm hoping that once I'm done with Tears of the Kingdom, I'm already going towards, I already defeated my first What's it? The Vine Beast? Yeah, the Vine Beast. One of them. I think the bird one. Did you cry? Oh, did you cry? What would I cry? Well, I mean, more of this. I'm pretty sad, the story behind them. I'm not the kind of that. Okay, okay. This is a little thing from Friends. I don't know if you guys watched Friends in the past. I just buzzed like a month ago. I'm not the kind to cry when they stopped drawing the deer in the Bambi movie. Okay, I'm not the kind. Oh, Bambi's mom died long ago. No, they didn't. See, they just stopped drawing it and then it's not there for the rest of the episode. That is horrible. I do get emotional for things that I identify with and things that I know that are real. But any sort of animated thing? You're like whatever. Animated? Yeah, some. Yeah, some. Yeah, you know, when it comes to like in Dragon Ball Z, Goku dying stuff. Yeah, at the beginning, that was like crazy. Oh, if that's on the table, Mike, then Breath of the Wild has to be on the table to draw some tears. I mean, come on, Mipha. It's sad. Yeah, there's some sad stuff. He's already dead, though. I didn't see what happened. Yeah, you know what it probably was. But Goku dies multiple times. No, it probably was. Because the last time he probably played was the DLC and his baby Sidon. So he's all, oh, Mipha died, but I got baby Sidon. I'm good. You say Sidon? Sass. I don't know. Oh, you know what? I just pronounced everything. So I'm not. No, look, I'm not saying it's wrong. Okay. And I think you're entitled to say how you want to say it. I just and warrior than the Warriors game. It's not canon. No, but she says it in the DLC. Champions battle. She says side on. So look, look, there you go. For your age or calamity argument, Mike, it technically can be canon because there's a split timeline event that happens in it. And the ending that leads to Breath of the Wild does technically happen in it. So yeah, but I just don't think it changes anything. Yeah, it doesn't change anything. Yeah, it's a prequel. It's like what happened before. Like how do they mean? Yeah, it shouldn't change anything to be fair. But I shouldn't change anything. And now we'll see if they want to make it canon and they can have an entirely new Breath of the Wild game that has all the champions still alive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, and that will be crazy. And I get attached to them and I play for them for the while. I would probably get sad, but... Well, then you go play Age of Calamity first. And then find out they died. All right. So yeah, maybe yeah. If I could play Age of Calamity, get used to all the characters, all something. Breath of the Wild. Oh, no, they're dead. They don't care. Then I would like, okay, yeah. They rip them away for you. Yeah. Or the DLC where like you play as them alive for a brief moment. Just to know they died. You know the only game that actually got retiree? Final Fantasy VII, the first time I played it. I can see that. They killed my shirt. You know, Ares. I'm like, I spent all the time developing that relationship between Claud and Ares. And you know, I neglect... Is it Tifa? The other one? Tifa. Yeah. Tifa or Yifa? Tifa. Tifa. Tifa. Yeah, yeah. Tifa. I got that one down. Internet is correcting me on it enough. So yeah, and I neglect Tifa because you know how, it probably doesn't even matter because this is me in my own little world trying to create a relationship between the Tifa or Ares. Right? So I choose Ares because she's, you know, catering the whole thing. And then she's the killer. I'm like, what the heck, man? Anyway, let me go. I'll let somebody else talk. Go ahead. All right. I'm just thinking about like when I've cried playing video games. That's the topic now. When I beat Twilight Princess, when I beat Metroid Prime III... Oh, that's rough. Yeah, the end of three was rough. Yeah. I actually rewatched the ending for Breath of the Wild. I don't remember if I cried when I beat it the first time, but like, not like sobbing tears, but like more like goosebumps, welling, emotion, you get a little teary-eyed. Like you listen to Zelda and you know, you kind of talk about, she talks about how she's okay with not having her powers anymore. Like kind of like that, that acceptance of her coming to terms with, you know, her entire like character arc throughout the flashbacks. I thought that was like a compelling, powerful moment. So it welled up something. Not streaming tears, but teary-eyed. Teary-eyed. Yeah, that cut scene when Zelda cries, it got me in Breath of the Wild. But I did get emotional for the trailer, for this last trailer. For Tears of the Kingdom? Yeah. I had happy tears. Yeah, exactly for this last trailer because it was just hearing Gannon for the very first time and then seeing how where everything is going. Oh, yes. That dying and no survivors. Right everywhere. What do you mean? You're wiping the planet? What is happening? Nah, he's done. He's done. He's done. He's done messing around anymore. He's done playing games. He's like, you know, he had to deal with more intent. Dude, I've been at this for 15,000 years. I am done. He's finally snapped. Yeah. He's finally said, I'm not saving anyone. You're all dead. Anyways. But if you find out that Zelda is actually dead in this game, that's where I'm gonna move. She's not. She's not. She's not. She's fine. I'm just saying, if she is, that'll get me again. I'll cry again. All right. Next up, some rotation. What are you doing playing, buddy? Well, it's funny that we shifted this into the topic of what video game made you cry because oddly enough, it's the one that I'm playing right now because I legitimately tiered up on stream. You can go watch it. I literally said, guys, I'm gonna cry. Like, Terry, I straight up from the announcement of Metroid Prime remastered because that I purposely was waiting this entire time to not replay the game. It's literally been like 10, 15 years for me. I mean, maybe 10, but still long enough that I forgot the details. And so solving the puzzles all over again is like, I'm so in love with this game. And also I need to make like a mini sales pitch here for every Zelda fan to for sure go play a Metroid game, especially Prime one, because it's the similar, it scratches that same itch of when you solve a puzzle and some of the intense action sequences like it really is like Andre said it perfect earlier. So I won't add on to it. I know it's a topic later, but it's just one of those games that is just at the top echelon of what Nintendo's ever created and retro just honored it like massively with remastered. So I have not touched anything else since that game has come out. Sadly, I'm still not through it yet, but I'm also going for my 100% run on my first run through. And then right up on the list after that, I will be doing a Minish Cap run through and then I'm gonna try to get through the rest of my save file that I started a while back on Breath of the Wild before tears of the kingdom dropped. So that's kind of like my little really tough games from here. Be careful or fourth divine beast already on that file. So I think I can make it happen. With Metroid Prime, be careful. And I don't know how to help you here, but when you get to the end, I'm the last three or four missile expansions, you're just going to be like, where the hell are they? Yeah, I've never played Metroid Prime. So yeah, well, is Metroid Prime Dread, that's the one I've played. Metroid Dread is fantastic. How'd you feel about Dread? What? How'd you feel about Dread? I love that game. Yeah. Well, we're going to fall in love with Metroid Prime. You're going to fall in love with Metroid Prime. And with School of Metroid Prime, it's a little bit longer than Dread, but it kind of, I kind of tried to make a point on Twitter earlier. It's after, you know, with Dread Fresh in my mind and having played Prime, like they're not extremely long games. But they're decent. They're satisfying games. They're satisfying games that are highly replayable. Listen, I've played Metroid before, but I've played it on NES and Nintendo. And it's not the same. They don't have enough bandwidth to put emotion into it. You just have to read the whole bunch of text. With Metroid Dread, that's when I felt like, okay, this is actually a horror type of action game. Yeah, horror vibes. You know, I'm like, what the heck? You know, and that's like, wow, this is Metroid. So now when I found out they were making Metroid, I actually bought the trilogy on Wii U. And I was like, okay, if it doesn't come out, if it doesn't come out in a direct, then I'll go back to the Wii U and play it. But yeah, that's why I was so happy because that's literally where I was at. I was like, if we don't get this thing announced soon, I'm going to replay it. I just can't wait anymore. I booted up the very initial sequence of the game for multiple videos to discuss the rumors on it. So when it finally, the payoff finally was there. That was a huge moment for me. Not to mention, side note, we're not going to talk about Metroid Prime this whole time, but the scan visor, the scan visor, like completing the game 100% and it requires you to scan all the enemies and then the different lore and stuff like that. Really cool, like extra completionist style addition and there's certain enemies not to spoil anything, but you don't want to get too far in that game before you start doing that because there's certain enemies that if you kill the boss or you can't go back, you'll never be able to see those creatures again. So it's, it's missable to do 100% run in your first run through, which creates some stress. But yeah, if you guys can't tell, I've been like thoroughly enjoying that and that's, that's, that's it for now. I could go on and just hold them back. Eric, what are you implying lately, buddy? Still, still plugging my way through sparks. I hope I can't most of the way through the fifth world now and getting back to the, going back to the overlord of the world, I guess, or the, I can't remember what the term they use, but going back to that to then complete that complete and then jump off, I think, to cursor then. Heck yeah. So you're saying possibly, maybe, by this time next week, you might be done. Maybe. Yeah, possibly. Hey, well, at least I didn't carry all the way to the tears of the kingdom. Now you can play some Metroid Prime remaster. Yeah. All right. Next up, let's get HMK. What are you been playing lately, bud? Oh my goodness. I have been playing Minish Cap. I've been playing Superstar Saga. Like I've been like going all up into the Game Boy games. And then I've been playing a lot of Xenoblade, Chronicle Street in prep of the next wave of the DLC. And whatnot. And now like it's finally downloading now. It's looking pretty beefy. And then other than that, Breath of the Wild, a little bit of Kingdom Marchion in there. But what I've been doing with spending my time mostly is finally converting this old relic into the S23. And I'm like, I'm ready for mobile gaming at this point. There's no way there's a scratch on it now. Oh, boy. Oh, no. But that just came out. No, it's a streak. And I'm waiting on a case. I'm not even like, I'm probably going to be fullness until the case comes out. Like when I leave the house, this stays home. Yeah, yeah. Just got this yesterday. And I ordered the case ahead of time to make sure that I was good. Nice. But other than that, you know, I've been itching. I've been itching to play Metroid Prime remaster because that's actually one of my favorite GameCube games. Like ever and like seeing everyone play it, I'm like, oh, I'm just so busy with teasing the Kingdom content. Oh, right. But then to end off my little tirade on the topic of video games that make you cry. I can't believe y'all didn't even bring up Wind Waker. What? The endings of Wind Waker? Yeah. Like everything floods. And then. Okay. I mean, I actually materialized during that recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he was reaching out to the King and the King reached back and then it's only to fall. I'm like, bro, how can you not get emotional? That and Twilight Princess when like Minda transformed into the Twilight Beast and then Link knew that like, oh, she's going to lose against Ganon and try to stop her. But then she's like, nah, you, you guys go be safe. And then Ganondorf gave her the business. It's an emotional roller coaster. It is. I guess I don't have to play that game anymore. He didn't say it all. He didn't say it all. There's still a lot of missing context. I said a roller coaster. Well, he said not. I will say this years. I will say this. I will say this. I think look, this is a podcast where we talk about video games. Once we're like two years past the game, I don't think we're worrying about spoilers anymore. So any of you guys like Mike, I'm so sorry if things get spoiled. But you know, to be fair, to be fair, Mike, you were talking about a big spoiler earlier. Final Fantasy, bro. Final Fantasy 7, man. Yeah. There's a lot of people who had it. Final Fantasy 7 recently came back with a remake. Exactly. There's a lot of people who haven't played the original and don't know that. So congratulations. But I'm talking about that. Christ's Court just came out. Oh. I know, but there's a, I think there's another path where she doesn't die, right? Is that what they're saying? We don't know. We don't know. Yeah, we don't know for sure. Another spoiler. Another thing. Yep. Yep. Yep. I don't know. Spoilers are so tough. Spoilers are so tough. That's what they're like 3. Xenoblade 3 chapter 5. Apparently I spoiled a whole bunch of stuff for Xenoblade 3 the other day without realizing it. Because like after a certain amount of time, like I just want to talk about the game. Well, but here's the thing. This is the way, like, I've always treated the spoilers like this. It's not even a topic. It's just, look, if we're several months out from a game that I beat, at some point I'm just going to talk about it and you could just choose to be here or not. Because I, like, I didn't beat a game and then just don't want to talk about what just happened. Like, it's just, I can't hold it in for that long. It's just part of being a content creator. You guys could beat games with your friends and talk to your friends. You guys are my friends. So if you didn't beat it, I don't know what to tell you, man. Five months later, I'm probably talking about it. But there's also, like, a spectrum here, right? I became a fan. I became a fan with Tears of the Kingdom. With Breath of the Wild. So. I was just saying. He keeps subtly hitting it. He keeps hitting it, right? He keeps hitting it. I went from him to bring the box out, bring it away again. Yo, you see, you see his TV in the background? That's Tears of the Kingdom right now. That's not a way you came back. He's in the pause menu, the system menu right now. No, that's the hinted leaked switch. And the game reads whatever model you're running on. Oh, see? Whoops, forgot to have that on. Whoops. I was like, I don't know that, you know, nothing leaked. To Adam, what Andres was saying. You know, like, you shouldn't feel bad because, you know, looking back at the Direct and then when they were showing off Wave 4 of Xenoblade 3 DLC, like at the moment I didn't realize it after the fact, I'm like, wow, that's a really big spoiler. They just like, they just unleashed it. Like, you know, we can talk about now. Hey, you know, Elvis, Shulk, Rex, all that stuff. Well, Xenoblade 3, we're in this, man. But that's, that's what I've been playing. Nice, nice. So I've only been playing Breath of the Wild Master for the last week. That's it. I didn't play it a ton, but maybe got like five, six hours in. Sad on Metroid Prime Remastered. It was interesting because I was gonna go buy it digitally and then all of a sudden I checked my email and Nintendo sent me a code, which is very weird. I'm not an ambassador. I'm not a partner. I don't even have contacts with them. They just randomly said, hey, you're a YouTuber. Would you like a code? Sure. I should have sent me a code. I talk about Metroid. You don't. Hey, I created MetroidWiki.org. So my channel has Prime in its name. I mean, I haven't talked about it yet because what Nintendo didn't realize is that Zelda is just that much more important to me than Metroid. But I still really love Metroid. It's one of my favorite franchises. That's why little somebody damn Prime references. I told you though. The original intro to the podcast. Actually, it's still the intro is Metroid Prime music. So if you ever listen to our audio version address of this very show kicks off of Metroid Prime. Anyways, you shouldn't play Metroid Prime already. They gave it to you for free. You still haven't played it. I don't care what you have to say. He's so mad at me about it. Still haven't played it. Well, you know, some of us are busy making a dozen videos and seven live streams if you look directly at the code was because this channel is called Nintendo Prime. Like Nintendo Prime, Metroid Prime. Let's give them a call. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. No, I get it. They probably like Google search Prime in like YouTube and Google. And then that's the first thing that comes in. All right. I still haven't made a video yet. Right. Like I've only made Zelda and Metroid videos. And I only just put out like a a Metroid video like right before the podcast, not accounting a five minute graphics comparison for Metroid Prime. So like I'm right there with you. It's it's tough. It's Metroid Metroid's coming up probably next week for some stuff because I'm going to finally start playing it. And then I wanted to speculate on future Metroid stuff, which we're going to do today anyways. And then I want to after that, I mean, I got to talk about Pikmin at some point. You're going to Pikmin some love, man. We're getting a fourth Pikmin game. Night time gameplay. Night time gameplay. Night time. Could we delay? Oh, it has a date, Mike. They don't delay games that have exact dates. Haven't we learned this with Tears of the Kingdom? It doesn't happen unless unless there's a world event. Sorry. Correction. Unless there's some even if there is a world event. Yeah, it's taking over the universe. I think it could be. But it could be the pizza box attacks that was sitting in the park. All right. So I guess let's just get into our first topic. And that is because it's been a week. Tears of the Kingdom. We've had time to digest. We've made our content. We've done our things. Yeah, it feels like forever, dude. It feels nice to just remind everybody who kept telling me for months now, games are going to be delayed, games are going to be delayed. And I'm like, no, it's not. No, it's not. Oh, look, it's not. It's almost like they were just waiting for the February Direct. People still believe it's going to get delayed. I know. That's crazy. So it's still going to get delayed. They just repeated the date for nobody. It's almost like Nintendo knew. Hey, let's just make sure we repeat the date at the end of this trailer. You know, just to remind people, it's still coming out May 12th. It's really happening in their hands. They're going to think it's going to get delayed. And when it comes out, people are going to say it's just DLC. Yeah, it's just DLC. It's incomplete. And then they're selling us DLC on top. They're completing the game with DLC. It's $70. It's a BS. Now it's a $100 game. Nintendo sucks. Some people argue the last is all that was Skyward Sword. Some people just can't be happy. They just want to find a reason. I want to know who. I just want to talk to them. Just like nice. Have a conversation. I never say anything about nice. So it's been a week. How are we feeling? We've had time to digest it now. I'm done talking about Zelda. Done. Done. No, you're never done. So Zelda gets done talking about you. Yeah, but Zelda is not done with you. That's the problem. No, I'm feeling good. And I was telling, I was telling, I was like, I'm waiting for this podcast so I can start like exploding. Wait, can I or someone else is going to go? You are good. Bro, this trailer gave me everything I wanted. And like people saying that this trailer was underwhelming. How dare you? This trailer gave me everything I wanted when it came to tears of the kingdom's own identity, how it separates it from Breath of the Wild. The fact that it didn't get delayed. The fact that the Skyward gets bigger and bigger, higher and higher, like literally the shots of Link looking out into the literal stratosphere of Hyrule and beyond having the entirety of the world that blew Azur just fading into the whiteness of the void. I could stare at that forever. And the fact that we finally, finally, finally, because it was always alluded to, it was always alluded to, but never confirmed. We finally got the confirmation of underground and the underground looks insanely more massive than I honestly thought it was going to be. And I'm so glad for that. But to me, I was actually talking about this to my brother earlier on the stream, before the stream, where he was asking me, hey, do you think that the Skyworld and Hyrule is going to be seamless? Like, 100% from what the trailer's you've seen, it's going to be seamless. However, I do think that the cavern system is going to require a loading part. It was like, oh, to go into the caverns, go into this one hole or wherever, loads up the caverns. But everything when it comes to Hyrule and the sky, seamless, no loading required. It's all going to be rendered at once, just like how it was in Breath of the Wild. So let me ask you about that. So are you saying that it's going to, I mean, the fact matters, even when you're playing open world game, it's constantly loading. You know, that's why you have pop in and draw distance. It's just done in a way that it feels seamless. So when we're talking about the underground, are you saying that there's going to be a loading stream? Yes. Or are you saying that they're just going to, like maybe, well, what I'm hoping they're going to do is you'll see an opening, right, to your point, because we've already seen some openings. You go in and the game just kind of smartly starts to load them in. And because you can only see like the cave area at that point, once you enter a tunnel, it can then open up to bigger areas. That's what I'm hoping, because I feel like we have to see a loading screen without warping. That would be bad. I don't think so, because I feel like the cavern system, like, because we've seen, we've had a lunitude towards illusions towards the cavern system since the first trailer and in the third trailer. In the third trailer, there was a part within the Farron region where there was a hole in the wall that's not there in Breath of the Wild. I feel like that's going to lower you down towards almost subterranean level of the cavern. And then when you go deeper, there's going to be that big, just like in previous volumes, that big black hole where you go through it and Link runs through loads and then he's running through and then that leads you to that specific area within the cavern system. And then something else that's helped support that idea and I wouldn't hate that is that in one of the scenes in the latest trailer, there's that scene where all the guardian arms come out to Link and he's like, what's going on? One in front of him, at first I thought that was a battery because I thought that was a battery coil. When closer inspection from that apparatus, whatever, there's a wire coming off from the bottom. So I really think at those points, the guardians are trying to hook Link up to a wire and then throw him down a hole, right? I thought that was a crafting scene. No, I honestly think that's inside one of the watchtowers and then those watchtowers are going to lead you into specific parts of the underground and then you get thrown down there and then whenever you have to go back and find the wire you got thrown down with, you're like tug tug and it brings you back up, right? And then like once you're in the cavern, the cavern, the entirety of the cavern is going to be seamless, right? The cave system underground is going to be seamless and whatnot, but to get from overworld to underground, that I feel that's going to require a loading screen. I think that scene where these guardian arms come out, I think that's a trap set by one of the ancient tech scientists and then part of a cut scene where Link goes like this and pretend to himself and all of a sudden he comes out, oh, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. It looks like a comical scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Link pops up and he turns it off and then okay, you're fine to go. If anything, it might be like Purr and Robbie is like, hey, you know, we're going to help you get to the underground, just stand right there. And then Link's like, okay, what's going on? Bam, he's like, whoa, stop. He's like, all right, happy landings and they just like. The claw hooks them on, tosses them down there. Maybe. Last time I saw these claws, I was cutting them off. What's going on? You're right. Oh, boy. Time jump and then they probably take some of those claws in and repurpose them for something else. Oh yeah, definitely. Those things are on our side because like, you know, it's like the Sheikah dormants, everything is still blue, not pink. So I feel those things are definitely on our side. And I think Guardians as a whole, when it comes to tears of the kingdom, is going to be on our side so much so that, you know, it would explain why Ganondorf has to compensate by bringing back older enemies, you know, Redeads, Glee Ox, whatever those flying bat frogs looking things. I think they're cargo ox because they're carrying. I don't want them to be cargo ox. I was like, please don't be cargo ox. Why not? Because they're so ugly. Don't do my voice dirty like that. But they've always had different designs though, right? Like Twilight Princess looks like pterodactyls and they look like eagles or something in a win-win group. Yeah, they look cool. That thing's not cool. Oh, what if they have a Helmer Rock King? Oh, that would be cool. I would like to know if that's in that style. No, I'd rather take Helmer Sword King. If we're like, bro, like cargo ox or something like that. It's like a giant pterodactyl. I want this game is to end big. I want this because apparently it's like the... I was doing my homework, right? I do my homework, listen to other videos and theories and this and that. And then on how that symbol behind the logo stands for those dragons, it's like a loop, right? Yeah, or a loop. So this could be the actual end of the series, right? So I'm hoping we get this Avengers-type ending where all the all the champions come back and they all they're all fighting together and Link just kind of runs towards the castle or whatever. And then, you know, with this Master Sword, like he finds a way to bring the champions back, all the warriors back and even past warriors and just have like this giant huge battle to end it all. I don't want a one-on-one battle between Ganon and Link. We've had that forever. Let me throw something at you guys in terms of like scary things. So, you know, in the trailer, they show this one part where they're like the mouse is raining down. There's like this big explosion. When I took a look at it, I felt that the silhouette that was showing there was in the shape of a Lionel. Like I put it like lined up with a Lionel and it looked pretty comparable. Like you could see kind of like what was making out the bottom like the four legs and then like an upper sort of torso area. So imagine like a malice-infested, powered up, transformed Lionel. Like Lionel's already scary and powerful but just like possess that thing with Ganon, Calamity, Scourge, Malice and it's just going to destroy everything. I feel like something like that, if it is real, should be a dungeon boss, which actually brings me to the topic that I want to discuss with you guys. How are we feeling about the fact of dungeons are looking, I would say, extremely likely? I mean, those Sky Towers, with that them saying it, they've said it like dungeons are back and it's probably how we get the Seven Tears of the Kingdom, right? Like, I mean, you think that each dungeon you go conquer, it could be eight. But that's probably the quest that we're on and that's probably why Nintendo made a big deal about that name. And now we're starting to see like the zoomed out and then I kind of want to talk about the loading screen thing too because it's an interesting topic. If they do have a loading screen to the underground but they don't to the above the skies, then that would be kind of interesting. And it did look like Link was just straight up flying at one point, kind of low enough where you could see direct Hyrule beneath so it makes me think there's not a loading transition there but then at the same time I could see where maybe to actually land on the ground, you have to go through the other thing that pulled Link up. Like you have to do something like that maybe that's like their quote unquote loading screen. I'll tell you, I really don't think there's going to be at least with the sky area. I feel that with Tears of the Kingdom it's in a way they're trying to sort of, I don't want to say writing a wrong but sort of like writing the wrong of Skyward Sword because when you play Skyward Sword and you saw the sky and you saw the ground there was like definitely this desire that would be more seamless. And that's one of the reasons why they had Skyward Sword HD and then they showed off the initial sky right after revealing Skyward Sword HD. I think the intent was to show, hey, we're now doing sky to land gameplay right. So I really feel that a big goal for them was to make that transition seamless. Yeah, agree. Yeah. Well, what if they did like a passive loading screen where you're kind of, you know, falling and it doesn't actually say loading but you're just kind of falling and that's just loading while you're falling or if you're like- It really does show us getting really close already. Yeah. Or if you're like going into the underground and you're just kind of running into a cave or something and you just kind of keep running then all of a sudden it just opens. Because we've noticed in all the different trailers there's obviously different levels to the Sky Islands and it seems that there's certain heights where there's sort of a preloaded jump animation and I think that's a load. I think that- Because the camera points away from both down below and then comes back and I'm thinking that that might just be a preloaded animation load screen. My impression is that however it's done, you know, whether there is a true loading sort of like basically it's going to be done the way where you're not going to see it. It's going to be done- No, not for sure. Like so like maybe there is like a quick run animation although I feel like that might be like just, you know, trailer magic but to your point the higher you are maybe there's more clouds so you can't really see and the further down you go the little bit more you can see. I mean it's how open world games already function just from more angles. You can't see everything. So little by little is loaded into further closer and closer you get. And with the, you know, the caverns, you know, if they're hidden away I mean you don't have to load them in till, you know, you navigate your way in there. So- Right. They could do something God of War Ragnarok style where basically, you know, Kratos is walking- They crawl into the crevice. Yeah, something like that. Just those areas where you're actually going to a whole different realm. You know, you're walking in a circle waiting for a door to pop up because the game is just loading but it never just takes you out of the game completely and you're still paying attention to dialogue with the characters. Like I could definitely see them doing something like that as well. Metroid Prime is actually a great, it's great time to bring up Metroid Prime because Metroid Prime has one of the most intelligent ways to load in themes. Every funnel, every door you just, you shoot it, it loads up and you're under the impression if you don't know that there's no loading, there's no loading in Metroid Prime. No, everything is loaded all the time. They just mask it beautifully. I mean that's the way corridor based video games have done it forever though. That's not a new trick. Yeah. Well, we play primary master. In primary master though, it loads so well that you're, I never waited for a single door. Can I say that I love that segway where it's like, hey, by the way, you definitely try out the critically acclaimed MMORPG, follow SNES C14, which is free up until heaven swarming. So I'm so glad you brought that up because in Metroid Prime anyways. I don't think we should be done with Zelda though. No, no, we're not done with Zelda yet. One thing we can all agree is that the developers of Tears of the Kingdom is going to show every other developer who was developing from the Switch how to develop a game properly because they're going to push the boundaries of what people thought the Switch could do. The Switch is going to do with Tears of the Kingdom because if they're doing a fully immersive open world plus a sky, plus an underground. And more physics. I mean, and they're adding more physics to it. And insane draw distance compared to the rest of the wild. Yo, the verticality is insane in that game right now. And at least so far, it looks like that haze they did to try to help with the framerates gone. Like this is, yeah, they, looks like it might actually be native 1080p or very, very damn close. I'm fine if it locks at 900p. Yeah, well, I think they're going to use FSR anyways. So I think it's safe to say that the Zelda team is the A team at Nintendo developing HQ. They're putting the best minds and everybody that they have in a room together to create something that's like pushing the boundaries every single time. And if you guys want to keep going on that, that's fine. But I do have a quick question for the group. How do we feel about how much gameplay we've seen? Because I've seen some divisive comments online. Like some people are like, I didn't see enough of this thing. I don't even know why I'm 70. I feel like we've seen the right amount. But that's my personal take on it because I like the mystery heading into a Zelda game. I don't want a 30 minute blowout direct of every last detail about the game. I think people want a story trailer, like an actual story trailer. And then they'll shut up. We got Ganondorf's voice. Right, that's enough story for me. Yeah, and I think for at least for people who have already played Breath of the Wild, who already have an idea of the scope of a game like Breath of the Wild, The Church of the Kingdom, I think, for me, I'm satisfied, completely satisfied. I don't need to know anything else. But then again, I was already sold before. Before you, I already sold. I was already sold when I saw the green swirls, the little swirls. So I'm kind of 50-50 when it comes to like how much gameplay we've seen. I've seen, like at this point now, I feel like we've seen enough gameplay in order to have The Church of the Kingdom have its own distinct identity away from Breath of the Wild. Which is something I always needed. Like, okay, we got buildable vehicles. We got new weapons, new enemies. We've seen how Link gets from point A in the sky to point B in Hyrule. And then the Underground finally got confirmed. I would say the only thing, because like I'm still like, I mean, obviously I'm gonna get it. But like I'm still wanting for more, only in the aspect. And this could be small, but for me, it goes a long way. I need to see like a good chunk of combat. And because I want to see combat, like the main reason why I want to see that is like, you know, it's been six years. I just hope and I pray to God that Link does not have the same animation strings for his combat that were in Breath of the Wild. Please, Nintendo, at least update the content, like the animation strings. I just like, let me sleep at night. Just show me that and I'm fine. You can keep refining. You can keep creation. You can keep story. All I should a secret, I just need to see Link do a combo animation string. I need to see that. I don't want how he did it in Breath of the Wild. It was boring. It was bad. It was lifted from Skyward Sword. Just like, all I have to do is just like, slow down the Florida Rush animation. And I'll be fine with that. If that's his new combo animation, I'll be fine with that. That's all I'm gonna do. That's all I'm gonna do. Huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh, huh. That's literally his like, his horizontal animations from Skyward Sword. And I'm like, just like, just do, like, just do what you did with Twilight Princess or with the like, the strikes. Come on. There are a lot more enemies in this game. So maybe there's a lot more ways to deal with the enemies in this game. Going back to the what games make you cry kind of thing. I don't think cry. We're talking about Zelda, right? Yeah, yeah. So when I heard Ganon's voice for real, for real, I was worried. Not, not, not, not a theory, but it made me a little scared and worried for the people of Hyrule because I see all these little kid NPCs walking around. I'm like, what, what's going to happen to them? They're gonna die. What do you mean? We did see, we did see an actual NPC at the end of the trailer, right before the show logo, the fight that right next to the tent. Yeah, because there was like a little camp. It was like a mini campsite. They had like a little ponytail. Yeah. Did he die? No, he was there. No, he was there. Why? There's going to be some NPCs in the game. Yeah. Yeah. They might have been the last. They might have been the last. We're still in shape. We saw it. Moloteno. It looked like it was okay. Had some sparkles in it. But yeah, man, we spend all breath of the wild protecting these people all of a sudden comes Ganon and he goes, oh, you're killing them all. Don't let anybody alive. So something else to bring up, and I think it's interesting, we kind of think about like the structure of the map and breath of the wild. So there's a lot of ruins. There's ruins all over the place and central Hyrule doesn't have many civilizations, but like the outskirts of Hyrule, Hattano village, forget the name of the Lureland village. You know, you got the Gorons, you got the Zoras, you have the Rideau, the Guerrero. They're all in the outskirts. Like they're kind of like, you know, they're not in the central part of Hyrule. So yeah, mountains and things between. Well, because there was a central town. It was Castle Town, but we never actually. Yeah, no bread. So what I think is that we'll probably still see towns and stuff, but they're going to be on the outskirts because yes, again, or if it's going to kind of like just wreak havoc in the central part of Hyrule. I think there's going to be a town in the sky, too. Oh, maybe, maybe, maybe. I don't think it's going to be Skyloft, but I do think that we're going to have a return of a certain race, and it's going to have its own town. Prediction, prediction. We're going to find Skyloft ruins. Oh, it's going to be there. That's going to be like a reference to that. Yeah, yeah. As there should be. If we're going to the skies. I wouldn't be surprised. If we find like bone remains of a bone or a statue remains of a loft wing somewhere. That'd be so cool. Or loft wings. Period. There's a lot of different ways that traversal was given. Look, man, I can make a flying drone that I can control better than a right. Right. I'm good. You make a lot more often controls. We're not very good. I'm just throwing that out there. They were not good. The lawnmower is cooler, though. The lawn look like if they actually let me attach a spinning blade below that and cut grass, you know what? You know what? I'm good. They just gave Link the ultimate grass cutting ability. Here's my counter argument. Grass cutting later. Hear me out. Hear me out. We've seen cars and apparently lawnmowers. We've seen we've seen helicopters and air balloons. Yes. Air balloons, dude. There are still horses. Why can't there be something in the sky that's alive too? But the things that are where you're talking about. The cars, the car does not invalidate the horse. We're just going to jump on the back of a cargo rock and that's how we're going to fly. Actually. No, those things are ugly. Well, okay. Yeah, but you can. Not everything needs to be pretty, HMK. The world has lots of ugly things in it. How about a Pegasus? Look at me. Oh, yes. Yes. Pegasus. Give us a Pegasus. I'll take a Pegasus. A Pegasus? Or we could just ride the Divine Dragons. I want the wings. Or we could just take you home. I just want to fight a dragon midair. If they don't get me out in this game, I'm going to be mad. Well, there's the Gliok. So what are you going to do? That ain't a dragon. That's a one arrow shot kill. The guy is going to fight. What? The Gliok is like this massive thing that it takes up the entire width of the Hyrule Bridge. I think he's got the enemies confused. That's why. No, no, no. The three had a Dragon Gliok. Yeah, I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that. That's going to be like the Hinox. That's like the new, that's like the new Hinox. What Gliok are you talking about? I got the enemies confused. The Gliok. I got him confused with the car. Or what we think is a Kagura. Yeah. But guys, all we got to do is. Look at you coming in. Hey, Mike, see, this is what happens when you get something wrong in Zelda. Remember, we just had this talk. Yeah, what happened? What did I get wrong this time? Come on, tell me. You're so lucky that it was me this time. You're so lucky that Jake is not here to roast you with that, too. Yesterday, I had a, I had a discussion and I was talking about an animated anime for it. So I'm just saying that we all, there's too many names. There's a lot of names. That's it, but it'll be cool to defeat the Gliok. You would have to first defeat each head individually and get rid of the heads. No, I want the heads to be like Hydra heads. You cut one off and three more come in. And then more come in. That'd be sick. I don't think they're going to do it, but that would be awesome. Like I could imagine developer head and idea like that. Hey, we got. Everyone thinks cut off the heads, but that's not what you do. I saw what you reported on though. There's going to be multiple Glioks, apparently, which. Elemental ones. Yeah. I would love that. Yeah. I mean, if that one's Gliok and it's fire, I mean, you know, if you make the mental leaps, okay, well, if the original didn't have fire, then maybe that's implying that there's other types. Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Ice thunder. It was also the overworld. Like have you guys ever seen a single unique overworld boss for Breath of the Wild? Like no, there's always more than one. So. And yeah, yeah, yeah, that's entirely true. Yes. Yep. I'm down. Yeah. I'm curious if there's going to be other, like, I think the giant box enemy thing is a boss or something. I'm curious if there's going to be other overworld enemies, like Glioks coming back. Besides, obviously, they added like boss, Bokeblen or whatever. That's cool. But I mean, like, It's not a boss boss, right? That's just a captain. That's the name of it. It's called. Yeah. It's not like a life bar enemy. It's not. No, it's a boss of the book. Cobb, it's just a bigger one. Yeah. Like a leader. Like a leader. Yeah. Or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm curious, like, Hinox are back. Stone talus are back. Obviously now we have Glioks likely. So I'm curious, like, what other overworld enemies might there be? Or will there be, like, the ones that are specifically for the sky? Or I'm just really, really curious. Because one of my favorite things in Breath of Love was the overworld bosses. I mean, yeah, I don't think we had enough variety in them. You could argue there's not enough variety in general with enemies. But it still was like, when I'm sitting there climbing, and all of a sudden the music comes on, the enemy, I'm like, oh, I'm getting a tad. Where am I getting a tad? All of a sudden, oh, there's a firestone talus that just wrecked me with a giant ball from the side, like 20 feet away. I didn't even see him. Like that, those moments are just so cool to have this giant thing just hit you out of nowhere. Like, oh, yeah, I better go kick your ass, though. I agree that I want more overworld bosses, but I actually want more of an incentive to fight them too. Yeah. Because I do feel like, oh, if I don't want to deal with this, like, I'm just going to go run away, because it's not, it's not like that game changing if I beat it or not, you know? And so, like, I would like to have some, an upgrade path, let's say, for certain weapons or, you know, specific items. Like, Lionel's was a point, like, Lionel's was a point because of the weapons were so right. Yeah, that's what happens in the game, yeah. I feel there's something in the trailer, like a big hint towards that, that's probably going to like, like go to the end of direction of solving that problem, Sunbro, and that is the fact that, like, a lot of people aren't talking about this, but the fact that the Bacoblins, the Hinoxes, like, and the Moblins, they all have different horns this time. True. Which means different types of drops, which means a lot more drops, which means that Nintendo's probably, like, building up towards something to compensate the amount of drops in terms of baking weapons, in terms of building, crafting, crafting. Yeah, go into weapon crafting and vehicle crafting now, right? Because now we have to have the math. Yeah, we've seen vehicle parts already all over the trailer. How cool would it be if they actually create like a physics system for building weapons and for building, like, cars and stuff? Like, it's not just, hey, here's six different weapon types to be created. No, you can kind of mess around with that a little bit. I can tell you how they're going to do it. Exactly how they're going to do it. They can put a pot in front of you, just throw all the weapons inside there, cook it. Cook it together. I can see it being like an anvil or something when I go pot. I honestly think, like, you know, my gut tells me they're going to go down the avenue of Age of Calamity in a little bit of a breadth while before it and that all of this different types of enemy drops could be compensated for weapon crafting, weapon repair, and possibly weapon traits. Now you can roll specific weapon traits if you decide to throw in, like, a bunch of blue and black macabre horns. Then you roll a trait and a trait could be, for those that complain about it, very low chance, like a 1% chance of rolling unbreakable weapon trait for a specific weapon that you really, really like and, among other things, you know, throwing forward. Here's the thing. I'm okay with just durability up. I actually don't want there to be, like, if you're going to have an unbreakable weapon that isn't like the Master Sword or whatever, which is broken, but I think it would be cool if you did get, like, that 1% roll and you did get an unbreakable weapon, that's fine. But slowly over time, the amount of damage that weapon can do degrades unless you repair it. Yeah, oh yeah. It could be, like, a 90 weapon, but then, like, you know, you fight, like, 10 enemies later, now it's a 60, and it just keeps going down. It may be not that steep, but you know what I mean. I think repairing should be a thing for weapons you really like, but it should actually be hard. I think that that's the thing, is it should be later game, and if you can, you know, have upgraded durability to where you really can go with that weapon for your main weapon and then you actually have to go and spend some items that are, that were hard to track down or, you know, enemy pieces, then that's what you have to do to repair it. But that way, if you really want to play the game with a particular type of sword, especially towards the end game portion, you can do that. I would, I personally would be a huge fan of that. Hey, if you think about that, like Breath of the Wild had those, those area-specific items that you could rebuild if you broke yours. And I want to say that it was hard to do, but you still had to, like, farm very specific materials to get those rebuilt. So it's not like it's something they haven't already toyed around with. It's just not implemented on a wider scale, you know. So maybe that would be something that you could expect to get expanded in this game since it is something they've already tried. I want to go back to bosses, if that's all right. Yeah, hold on. But before you say that, I just want to get one word in on bosses, one word in. I want there to be an overall boss harder than the hardest Lionel. And have it be something completely unique and new. I want it completely unique and new. Don't bring that gold. Don't make it like a dark nut. No, no, no, I want something I've never seen before to kick my ass. But also give us dark nuts. Well, every dark nuts would be cool. I'll take that. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you, actually. I'm hoping that I'm right about the Malice Lionel. I hope they do bring dark nuts, but I'm also totally with you. Give us something new that's like the next level. Like, totally. Like, I'm actually anticipating this game is going to be even a little harder than Breath of the Wild. I think it's going to be harder. Since we've already experienced it, and you look at the tone, I think difficulty should, there should be, like, at least a soft correlation between difficulty and tone. This game clearly has an even darker, more intense tone, so have the gameplay match that. But the point I wanted to bring up, because I decided I wanted to come back to bosses, just something I just kind of dawned on me, and I feel like you guys would be like, yeah, obviously. But looking at all the boss enemies we saw in the recent trailer, something that just realized the scale of them is greater than Breath of the Wild. Like, you take a look at that giant Golem block thing in the sky, and you take a look at the Gleok. It's far away, but you can tell that Gleok is like the width of the entire bridge. Yeah, it's like the whole bridge. Or pretty close, crazy. Like, it makes the high... It makes the high noxes. The high noxes. What if there's a fusion? That'd be a skill. A high nox of hybrid. But, like, you know, it makes the high noxes, it makes the line-os, and the talses look kind of small by comparison. You know, I think this game is going to show a greater sense of scale, not just with exploration, but with enemies as well. But another point, I think you guys are kind of agree with here. I hope, and we have... I don't know if we have enough evidence to say this yet, right? But I will want there to be more bosses if we're seeing evidence of that, but I hope that we're going to see unique boss fights for those big dungeons. We're theorizing there's like seven or eight dungeons for the tiers. Like, each boss needs to be something special. I hope each of these bigger dungeons has, like, a narrative, and it's hinting towards the boss throughout, and then there's a unique boss, and it's not just, hey, here's another scourge of Calamity Ganon. Dunderblight. Waterblight. What's next? Oh. There should not only be unique boss fights at the end of each dungeon, but there should also be, like, some, like, straight-up air combat bosses. You know, like, imagine getting through, like, more of, like, the... That's what I'm saying with the dragon and the air thing. Oh! Yeah. Like, come on! You can't have all this air and not have us have a massive combat sequence in it. You have to do it. We got those patents, man. We got those patents. I know those patents that we still haven't seen him do any of those moves from the patent. I'm like, come on! I need to follow the arrow shots. Let's go. It should be noted, we might not ever see those patents used, right? Because a patent doesn't mean it's going to be a new one, for sure. That's true. We're going to see it. Say that, Yugi. Don't say that! Don't cross my dreams! Hey, hey, hey, hey. You do come try, come try, looking at your primary master. That's right. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah, but then you see that came, and you still tried to cross my dreams. Anyway. What we're getting for this guy is a mallet-infested lionel of wings who will hunt you wherever you are at the most unexpected time in the world. You just get, I kind of love that, actually. You know what, Pegasus Lionel's. What if they did have this guy? Then we're talking. Oh, man. That would be cool. We can tame him fully. Yeah, tame him. Yeah. All we got to do is take our horse and glue some like those air pads next to the horse on the horse. Here's the thing. Like if I get to craft things, I want to craft wings for the horse. Damn it. Come on. No, no, no, no. You just take a platform, put four octa balloons on it, and you slip it underneath your horse, and then it just goes off. I mean, yeah. If octa balloons are still in there, people are going to find crazy ways of the crafting. And if octa balloons are still in there, and I can't wait to see the crazy stuff people come up with. No, no, let me run this guy by you guys. This is something that I would like, but I also tend to play games that are on the hardest side of things that everyone does, right? Like I enjoy the horror games and things like that. But like, for example, in Resident Evil, there's a few of the more recent ones where there is a character or enemy that's constantly chasing you. What if in Tears of the Kingdom, there is like something that's always coming at you, be it like a crazy flying malice Lionel or like a dark Ganon puppet or something like from Lord of the Rings. It's always chasing you. Like a chicken, like a jack chicken from Family Guy. Oh, my God. Yes. They're going to throw in the day-night cycle from Bowser's Fury where it's just going to get Blood Moon and then Bowser comes out. I would like that. But it's every night now. Every night. That's insane, dude. Could be. Yeah. So will we want that or is that too intense? No, no, bring it. Bring it on multiple. I think the Blood Moon isn't going to be like a reoccurring thing. I think it's just constant. It just is always there. That'd be great. Daylight or daylight? No, they'll be there. They'll be there. You're always going to see the blood daylight. Yes. But at night. Yeah. The Blood Moon's coming back. The Blood Moon never really left. The sun just kind of blotted it out. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it should be. And you should always be able to faintly see it off in the distance too to remind. I mean, that's an Elden Ring type of thing. Yeah, that's even more Elden Ring. You know, you see like the chaos going on at the Earth Tree. You know, you know that's going to be something that's going to be coming on all through. I mean, the Blood Moon had a functionality though. It allowed Hyrule to refresh because there were a lot of things that kind of stuck around. So if the Blood Moon becomes constant, they'll have to come up with something new to kind of refresh Hyrule with all the stuff you're doing. I have a lot of ideas that can do for that though. I also think the Blood Moon's going to be the same way as it does in Breath of the Wild because someone in my chat today brought up a good like point where it's like, you know how Zelda had like a long speech when the first Blood Moon happened in Breath of the Wild, which by the way freaked us all out. I'm like, what is going on with my game? Yeah, the very first time, yeah. Yeah, it's so creepy. It gets you every time. So Zelda was like, oh, like the Blood Moon rises once again. Be careful, Link. This is when Ganon's power is at its highest. Highest, please be careful. Like she had this really long speech, right? But then every other Blood Moon after that is just like, the Blood Moon rises once again. Please be careful, Link. So one of my chats said, you know, what if the speech we heard in the trailer from Ganondorf happens instead of that at every Blood Moon. So like what we heard in the trailer, that's the initial speech. But then every time after a Blood Moon happens, it's like, rise, rise, my servants, leave no survivors. And that's what he says every time a Blood Moon happens. And she's in the kingdom instead. It's 100% happening in the beginning because we literally saw it already. Yeah, yeah. But that kind of doesn't make sense. The Blood Moon is a weird thing because like it's also representing him at the height of his power. Well, the height of his power just bringing back the guys that can already kick the shit out of. Then I bring him back stronger. Yeah, I was gonna say. Level them up. Okay. Oh, yeah, they are good. Oh, yeah, for sure. But like every Blood Moon level those SLBs up. If I have wiped out an enemy camp and you bring that camp back, the next time I see that camp better be harder than the first time I saw it. So by the end of the game and you've reset the Blood Moon, you know, everything is probably maxed out. Yeah, then it's almost like a New Game Plus type of thing where the enemies come back more difficult. I mean, you know what? As long as I talked about this before. Procedural difficulty. Yeah. How Breath of the Wild needs to have Breath of the Wild, one of the things that hurts it is that it doesn't scale with you. Well, this would be a really interesting way to scale it. If every camp you take out, if it has to scale a little bit. Didn't it scale? Yeah, it really. It's scaled with every Divine Beast. The Tears of Enemies available got like higher and higher. So like that's how it went from like blue, like red to blue and then blue to black and then black to silver with each Divine Beast that you beat. So that's like. That's just Divine Beast. You spend most of your time in the world not on the beat. Let's be honest. Yeah, I'm just saying. You go to the Divine Beast, you're done in less than 40 minutes. Let's just be honest. But the point is, is that with every main dungeon, the game puts you in a different tier of difficulty. Technically. Yeah, but only in the dungeon. Like it doesn't affect the rest of the game. No, in the overall, yeah. Because until you beat one Divine Beast, only red line will show up, right? And then you beat two and then the blue line will show up and then you'd beat three and then the black line also the yeah. And as well as the Bocoblins and the Moblins. Well, I'm in master mode. So none of that really matters. Yeah, you're rolling with the hardest difficulty out of the gate. Yeah. So to me right now, I'm like, I don't know. There's nothing scale in here. They're all yeah, like when you do master mode, they like silvers all over the place. Imagine it just becomes gold. Everything. I mean, this game is going to be harder. I think that's a good one. They're going in with the presumption that everyone who's played has played Breath of the Wild. It is a direct sequel. I'm not saying guys that there won't be like open areas to just kind of run free in a field. Like we've already sort of seen that where there's not a ton of enemies. I know some people hate some of that because they go, oh, well, it's, you know, too empty. And I sat there while I'm watching my fiance play Breath of the Wild for the first time. She kind of likes having a little bit of freedom where she's not constantly being attacked all the time. That's good. So like, I think there's some peacefulness to it for some people where it's kind of like, you know what, I want to run in the field and I want to see this thing off in the distance and I want to go there. And I don't want to necessarily have to have my ass kicked every five feet that I want. It's a good place to go and park your ass while you're, you set the game down to a bathroom. Well, I mean, we have all these ways to get around. Like we can glide, we can ride a horse. It kind of adds maybe an extra purpose to that, that there is distance between some things. I know some people hate it because you probably just sat there running around on foot the entire game and I get it. I did that a lot, too. But the game gives you all these abilities to make that traversal a lot less. So I don't know, there's a lot more going on. I'm interested in everything that's changed in Hyrule. I think that's one thing that constant criticism I see is not enough has changed in Hyrule. I'm like, just, we haven't even visited it. Right. You haven't even visited it yet. What are we, we've seen little snippets. We're not on the ground floor. Let me just tell you, I'm sure a lot. Well, that tree, you're right. The trees are in the same spot. Trees don't just uproot themselves and move. I mean, I mean, it's all that they might like to be to play a devil's advocate. The logo is the same font. Yeah. To play devil's advocate, the, the, the, the, what do you call them? The sign of princess is no longer in the logo. The what? The sign of princess? Yeah. The little flower. Yeah. The little flower is not in the logo anymore. Right. The, the, the, the, it's clearly going to be a really bad Zelda game. It's just the LCA. It's only going to have about 20 hours of playtime. And the final boss is going to be death mountain, but it's a giant like, like, walking. Yes. Then we can one shot with an ancient arrow. Right. We just got to reuse items from last game. I think that, um, like Breath of the Wild, it's going to be, it's going to be done a way where you can have people that can just choose to run. You know, I think it's, it's definitely going to be made in a way where if people don't want to see that challenge, they can avoid it by running, but the challenge will still be there. If you want to hunt down the super strong Lionel or super strong Leeuk, you can. You want to get the best weapons you can. Something that I'm concerned about though, is they made the final, the second, the penultimate fight in Breath of the Wild was okay. Like it was solid. It was just, Here we go. That final, final moment. I personally, that was bad. Tell them, tell them. It was a design choice. They did it as a victory lap, but it did not feel like a victory lap for me. It felt like, Oh, he's so powerful. He can shoot a giant laser and destroy everything. I did it. You're right. And he can't even touch me. So what are we talking about? Let me tell you something. So many people use that argument is like, like Derby, this was a victory lap boss. It was a final stretch boss. Here's this. I'm like, listen, I like, I've played so many games and there's so many other games that do final a lot of final lap, final stretch boss, victory lap bosses, and do them infinitely better. And you know what's the biggest, the big example I use, and I'm like, yo, I hate this game so much. But how does a game like paper Mario sticker star have a better final lap boss than breath of the law as much as I hate sticker star. That's how you do a final lap boss. The final Bowser that they got a little lazy at the end. When you use a Kirstie, Kirstie, whatever the sticker, crown sticker, whatever. I didn't play sticker star. When you use her in the final battle and then she ups all your stats to hundreds of fight Bowser, that's how you do a final lap boss. Not whatever we have. Honestly, I always felt like breath of the law should end it at the penultimate. You beat him in the 10th. That was a good ending. That would have been a good ending. The thing is Calamity, the final fight looks really cool. It's just completely under Wilms in terms of gameplay because it just sort of sitting there. Yeah, let me take over a Megazord and then we fight as I try to prevent him from that would have been a better victory lap. That's like riding one of the Divine Beast. Oh, no. He's heading over to Oh, no. No, the Divine Beast. Divine Beast all combined together. And stop all over Kakariko Village. Not on my watch. Boom. I won with the Divine Beast. I'll be sick. Yo, I was constantly saying like using all of your abilities from all your champions in the way to beat Dark Beast again. What they should have done is that every time there was a light arrow circle in or food to smack him up. When you hit all those arrows he should have been solidified and then using your abilities that you've been using throughout the entirety of Breath of the Wild. You climb up on him and then you smack a weak point at the top of Yeah, you mean Shadow of the Colossus style. Yes. Yes. There you go. Makes sense. Yeah. They didn't really have that with any boss except that would have been badass to be the final final. You can climb Stone Talos this way. Yeah, I know. Yeah. And on the way they didn't feel as epic. On the way to his to his weak spot he tries desperately and sends out like Curse those cursed Lizalflow skulls that's always floating and like shooting at you. He sends those at you and is like, yo get away from me and then you make it there and just Yeah. I just feel like that would have been happening. Like there are definitely some you can argue what's the best final the best final ending sequence like I think Wind Waker is really strong. But in terms like Wind Waker is the best I think what in terms of in terms of like how it ends like from a story emotional perspective I think you have a a fight for that one. Personally, I still think that the final ending phases is occurring at a time. Like yes, absolutely. You have this build up with the tower we have the Oregon like there there's this right. It's it there's several factors who collapses. It's not even just the fight itself. It's the build up because throughout the entire game there's a relationship between Link and Ganondorf that's built up from beginning to end. There's a rivalry established. He seems far stronger than you. He's intimidating. He's daunting. He steals your girl. And then you get into the castle. They have that beautiful beautiful like organ music that makes it feel really creepy. And there's distance you even had a fight where you thought it was Ganondorf with Phantom getting in the forest temple. Like there's tons of build up. You find against that fight. It's an epic battle. He explodes the tennis the top of the castle breaks right. Excuse me dead man's volley. Not tennis dead. It has a name. But it's it's an epic. See what happens. I see what I'm telling you. The nap fight there is actually really hard. A lot of people can't even finish that fight. And that's just phase one of three. Then you have the chase down to the tower which is really cool. And then you think you're done and then you're not. And it's like the most amazing epic transformation where he officially becomes Ganondorf. Like that's the first in terms of timeline. That's when we see Ganondorf for the first time. And that's an epic battle. So I think you're wrong, Andres. Because I think what they should do. OK, listen up clearly. Oh boy. I think what I should do. Yeah, jump on this one though. I think what they should do is Bowser's Fury the entire thing have again and like make again show up every now and then. And then you fight him get a big giant mushroom grow up and then just stop his belly three times. Then again. So this all kind of like the imprisoned except its feet. I'm good with that. No thanks. Oh, speaking of the imprisoned. So I want to talk. Why did I have to bring it up? Why did I? Why? Oh, you're going to love this. So am I? I don't love much about the imprisoned. I'm just going to be honest. The imprisoned is easy, you guys. It's a joke. Is that a game? Is that a game? So let me let me get let me get to my point. So I'm just curious what you guys think. In the in the trailer, there's this one part where we see a lot of smoke coming out of the desert-ish area. At first I was like, are those Moldugas? And looking closely, you can see like at the top part. I'm not saying it's the imprisoned. I doubt it is, but it has a similar shape or it's just a really blurry Molduga or something else. Do you know what you think that is? That part of the trailer is always so funny because like it lasts for like it lasts really like small. And I'm constantly looking at it because like the most high-quality video I can find is always it always gets pixelated in that scene. Yeah, I hate it. What is that? There's like there's something coming out of it, but it's the scene to the last line of for us to know. So I'm like at the very most I'm like, that must be like a new big enemy, mysterious enemy. I don't think it's a Molduga because that can either be the Guruna region or also it could be the what do you call it, the Northern Hyrule Badlands. And I'm like, man, I, there's not enough to go off of it. It doesn't help that the quality in that one scene just drops to zero for some reason. I mean, I agree. It's probably not just a basic Molduga because why would you feel something old with no changes, right? Like either a it's like a giant horde of Moldugas, which would be crazy or something bigger, something I'll throw out. What if it's one of the Leviathans? Like you think those Leviathan bones are just going to stay there? Gandalf out here reviving the Leviathans in his image. I'll be down actually. Really cool. I doubt they're just going to leave those bones there and do nothing with them. You know, it's also really cool Metroid. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, now I'm going to talk about Zelda though. I know. I know you do. You don't think Zelda's going to be a topic like every podcast week right here until the game comes out. I'm pretty sure there'll be some will shoehorn in a Zelda topic every week. I just it's just guys, if you hate tears of the kingdom, you're probably going to start having a podcast. And there will be I'm planning to do a prelaunch podcast where it's nothing but tears of the kingdom closer to launch. And I'm going to try to get some other Zelda YouTubers in with us and just do like a massive panel of just crazy stuff. So that's still in the work. So folks, I might promise in anyone yet still working on commitments. It's hard to put it. You think it's hard to put together a six person panel and I'll do like a 20. It's just yeah, but it's going to be a wild podcast. It's going to be awesome. But that's that's probably like a month and a half away. So let's talk about Metroid now because we have the Metroid Prime remaster shadow drop. And then we have Jeff Grubb reminding the world, by the way, I said two and three still coming. That was the thing I said in case you guys like forgot it's not they're not going to be full remasters like the first one, but there will be changes. There will be I'm guessing like does he have his eyebrows on his own or something like that? He's got his eyebrows on it. And then obviously we have this other game that still just keeps me enlisted as TBA in every financial report in Metroid Prime 4. So what? Well, first off, let's just go start with the remaster. What are we thinking about? Are we happy? Are we excited? Are we glad if you did a good job? There's also that weird controversy over the original developers aren't in the credits anymore. Can I go first really quick because after this thought, I have to do that. That is all right. No surprise. HMK knows. HM dipping cake. But it's okay. Metroid Prime remastered actually gave me a lot of feelings. And it's like a lot of good feelings towards Metroid Prime specifically in that is that because like what I hate that they're calling it remastered because that's disrespectful to how it looks, right? It looks moral on the lines of a remake. I mean, sure it retains like the basic skeleton of the gameplay of what you played on the GameCube, but like all the assets, all the effects, everything looks pristine. And the fact that we get this for 40 bucks also, you know what's so funny about this game just like dropping out of nowhere, shallow dropping like out of the wazoo is that this game, you know, is a remastered of a very big, beloved, dark atmospheric shooter. And it came out of nowhere and people were like, yo, well, a game like Dead Space has been like, you know, promoted for a while. And yeah, it came out. It was great. But they were promoting that game for a while. And that's like another like remake remaster that's like really popular atmospheric, you know, Space Shooter or whatnot. And it tells us like, yeah, we're just going to drop it. Right. And then I know Andres is not happy about this. And they're like, actually, oh my god. Oh, now you're okay. We'll talk about it. But the reason why it makes me have conflicted opinions on other aspects relating to the Nintendo after seeing something like this is just it gets me mad looking at games like Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess. Right. And I'm like, yo, you see what you see what you all did with this GameCube game like this remastered. Right. That's $40 on Switch. And then out here on the Wii U I'm paying $50 for Twilight Princess, which by the way, I still love the HD area edition and all of the like intricate, I would say, like design additions that you put into the game. Like it made it look a lot more what's the word I'm looking for detailed in terms of what's in the walls. But like, you know, the textures are still like not the texture, but like, you know, the polygon count is still relatively like similar and they could have just like refined it a little bit more and just go the extra mile. But they didn't and then Skyward Sword, they didn't even though the game runs at 60 frames per second and that game called 60 books and then minimal additions or what not. But then we have a game like Metroid Prime or Mastered. I'm like, Nintendo, what like, why they're all over the place? Like that's that's that's what got me conflicted. I'm like, they charge more for Zelda because it's yeah. Yeah. Throw darts at cardboard and whatever it lands on. You know what's weird or didn't Link's Awakening remake outsell Skyward Sword HD? I think so. I'm about to find out right now. I'll tell you before I leave. If that is the case, hopefully you confirm that, then I think that speaks well for effort and people were worrying on Tendo's effort because typically three is on the top. People that people think Link's Awakening is just a better game. And you have that blasphemy, bro. Well, okay, me. I'm not going to get this conversation. All right. So there's a lot of Skyward Sword hate out there. I'm just throwing that out and they're all wrong. So Skyward Sword. It's like the other M of Zelda. Don't disrespect Skyward Sword like that. Link's Awakening sold six million units and then Skyward Sword HD. Like 3.8. I think it was on 3.4. Yeah, 3.9 million units. Yeah. Looks like you might be wrong. The crowd disagrees with you. Well, no, I think, hold on. It's not about the base game. It's about the work done to it. Link's Awakening remake, you know, had new content added to it. It had the deluxe content added to it. It was remade visually. And that had a lot of care and love put into it. Skyward Sword HD, while I enjoyed 60 frames per second, felt smooth, having traditional controls. Like I thought that was all great. But was it worth 60 dollars? Not everyone clearly agreed with that. That's the coin flip. And here's the other thing. But I know you may want to argue that Link's Awakening may be more celebrated than Skyward Sword, which I think is very debatable. But typically free Zelda's Outsell 2. Is it? Like, that is terrible. Every version of Link's Awakening is outsold every version of Skyward Sword. Yeah, Link's Awakening is actually very popular. Like, it's one of the most popular Zelda games that's ever, like, exist. Okay. That's what it is. What does it deserve it? And that being said, I got to be out. So, guys, thank you so much for having me on. Let me know about next week or the week after and whether I'm always starting to jump in. Basically, what HMK is saying is keep asking him and he'll probably say yes. Yeah, but then I'll stick it around. That's a different story. So, I just want to leave you guys with this one last thought about everything that's going on right now. Metroid Other M is a bad game. So, uh, no. Oh, there's gonna be people on the internet. Not like that statement. All right, later, man. Later. Later, HMK. See ya. So, real quick on that price topic, I think that it actually further backs up exactly what Nintendo's PR response was to the controversy around Breath of the Wild sequel. Tears of the Kingdom being priced at $70 is that we treat games on a case-by-case basis. It's actually, it kind of is that even though that sounds like a BS response, they actually do price the games based off of how they think they will sell, I think, and who will pay $60 for a game? Is there higher development costs in certain games? Absolutely. But Retro clearly went above and beyond to this remaster and Nintendo looking at it being like, this is a GameCube remaster that's a more niche franchise with Metroid. It's not a Zelda. It's not a Mario. We need to price it at $40 to get the buzz really talking about this game and let Shadow drop it. I think that that's how they're making those pricing decisions. Because if you just look at the quality of the game, it's clearly more effort than what a lot of the other ports and remasters have been. Yeah. I'll say that I think you're definitely right in that it is definitely a case by case basis as Nintendo has said. But I don't think it's necessarily just a concern that it won't, it doesn't have as much selling power. And so the dip is to increase it. So like that is part of it. But you look at some games like Advance Wars, you know, it granted, it's a full on remake with two games included. But I mean, it's Advance Wars, right? They're remakes of Game Boy games. Like, and then there's lots of games where you kind of scratch your head that really have to be $60. That really have to be $50. It's not just Mario and Zelda. So, you know, there's that to consider. Prime remastered. If they sold at 60, no one would have batted an eye. Like there would have been a few people complaining, but they would be the same people complaining about any $60 game. So I am going to go into the territory of a little bit of extra speculation. What is that? A tinfoil hat thing. And I'm going to say that while everything I think you said is true, I think there's another layer. And the other layer, the other reason why they made it $40, it's because it's all about getting Metroid Prime out there. They want people to play this. They want people to understand it. That's exactly what my thought was. And I think, and it goes back to what I've been screaming for years. Metroid Prime 4 is meant to be a big deal. They want to make the Metroid series reach that higher level. So they're trying to they lower that price. They want people to play this masterpiece. Hopefully it works. And people understand that Metroid Prime is of extreme high quality. It's all about the allure for Prime 4. I agree. And I'm just happy to see and this will kind of, I guess, dovetail a little bit into the conversation of Prime 2 and 3. But I'll try to keep it some on Prime Remaster since we're just kind of starting this. But I do think that this all but confirms Nintendo's marketing plans. And this is what I've been saying in speculation videos and I know many others have too is that if the Prime remaster games were in the plans at all that they would purely be used as marketing and exposure for Prime 4 on Nintendo's most successful console ever there. It's it's it is that it's the start of that. And it's being received very well. Now the conversation on how it's going to be compared and contrasted to it like a Prime 2 and 3 if we're to believe that they're not as remastered as this one that will be an interesting like see how online responds to that. But I I'm hearing people that have never checked out a Metroid game just went and bought this thing out of the sheer hype of the Internet around it. And so I do think that Nintendo is is lining this up and this is just the taste of like here play the classic that put it on the map and all they care about is the larger picture of getting Metroid Prime 4 to be a mainstream way more mainstream than Metroid is today. I mean if you think about what Breath of the Wild did for Zelda sales compared to even Ocarina of Time or any game before it it it was leaps and bounds ahead leaps and bounds ahead ahead of Twilight Princess the most successful one up to that point in time right. So it's it's they're trying to make that next gen leap again with Prime 4. So I agree with you Andres and I do think that that could be a lot of the reason behind the $40 price point. I could also speculate that maybe they want to set the tone that because people would argue this used to be a Prime trilogy three games for 60 bucks how are you going to sell them individually for 60. They have plans to bring two and three over. And so setting that precedent of selling them individually at 40 feels a lot better than you know realizing you had a $60 or $50 collection as a trilogy before and now you have to buy them at 60 a piece. It is interesting right because I think Prime Trilogy with what was worth $20 on the Wii U E shop right now that's going that's being taken down it's hard to get those things now but I remember when Tropical Freeze came out back in 2018 for the switch. That's back when the Wii U E shop was still readily available and I believe it was it was either 50 no I think it initially released for 50 but I think it was like at a discounted price on the Wii U E shop and I'm not 100% on that so don't hold me to it but I almost want to say it might have been around that $20 $30 range too for a little bit and then they took it down and released Tropical Freeze for 60 bucks on switch even though it's initial release was cheaper to your point at 50 bucks which is it was very very strange I think they put it back on the E shop but it was weird they took it down for a little bit so with that in mind maybe there's something to what you're saying too that maybe there is that conversation about Prime Trilogy being 20 bucks on the on the Wii U E shop and then releasing just one of the three for 60 dollars if you would have freaked out but seeing how greatly enhanced it is especially at 40 it's kind of no one's no one's even brought that up like so if they would have released all three together at 60 you know kind of like to do with Mario you think they would have more people bitching that you know you're you're getting these three remade you know quote unquote remade games for 60 versus just bringing a lot on at 40 even though you're paying 40 for the three of them if they keep you know if they keep bringing out all three of them at 40 a piece you're technically spending more money for all three games but do you think that if they brought them all in one game but charge 60 there'd be people bitching that you're you're paying 60 for you know three old games yeah only I think that would that would only come up if they didn't put a level of effort into the remasters like if the game wasn't refined the way it is and it doesn't look as good as it is and it has all those controller options like I think that that's why why we're seeing such a positive reaction to this $40 price point online because it's something we would historically see Nintendo drop something like this standalone just one game for 60 so the fact that we got it without the without the quality changes would have just been like I mean look at skyrocks for HD that's the perfect example well then that that really does create that question is is what's the reaction going to be of prime two and three just look like Gamecube but re-up rest and do yeah and do they do as I think as my theory on this is as long as they include the controller support enhancement which by the way big kudos to Retro on that too the fact that you can play still classic Gamecube controller style if that's how you have nostalgia for it or you maybe you played it on the Wii because you got the trilogy on the Wii you can play a motion control style with the joy cons and then they even have like a hybrid mode where you're doing gyro aiming and traditional controls it's crazy and then a modern first person shooter like they check hey uh developers afforded golden night of some take note take note yeah take note of what it should have been like I legitimately have a golden eye button remap profile on my switch hilarious exactly I think a lot of people do a lot of people do I just because I could play I was passionate because the audio is garbage I don't know if you guys tried the xbox version you know the xbox audio is horrible it sounds like it's being played I don't know what they did do it I don't know what I literally don't know what they did do it how's it so much better on switch I was so upset because I know this isn't a golden eye topic but it really did break my heart because I was like okay you know maybe higher resolution higher frame rate all that stuff on the xbox version let's play through the campaign on that and I literally boot up the first level and I'm like hang on something's wrong I was scratching my head and then I go online and not enough people noticed that or were talking about it but there were those that pointed out and then I would listen to it even on my phone speaker it is a day and night difference yeah I think it's because a lot of people on xbox didn't maybe didn't play golden eye originally so they just assumed oh these are just old audio files that must have been the way it sounded no no no no it sounded better on the n64 yeah at least the switch version isn't isn't botched with the audio I will say that but then that that led me down both the controller thing is like a kill for skill shot for a lot of people if you have the n64 controller fine you play the classic way but yeah oh guess what it's been really hard to get the n64 controller so oh you saw on ebay they skyrocketed up the price oh yeah I mean it was overnight they were going like this handle how can you drop this and then not have a massive restock of n64 controllers oh man to bring it back to Metroid let's go let's go there we go there we go I didn't know I just wasn't gonna let Metroid go yeah no yeah yeah there was there was something about Goldeneye though that I all mentioned I think it's kind of a shame that you have to hunt through the options to unlock the widescreen mode because it's great that it's there but it's kind of hard to find but anyway going back to Metroid something I wanted to bring back that you sort of touched on Sunbro is the prime two and three situation right because they sort of set this present with the prime remaster and if two and three are going to get more of like an age like an hd sort of thing like I think the way Nintendo may be sort of marking these things like so deluxe you know you got the deluxe as you have the hd as you now you have the remastered I didn't the remastered for Nintendo standard means what we're seeing with with with with prime like it's like an actual it's a visual remake but code wise it's still the same base structure the same thing was even like Chronicles definitive edition too that one has that was our master it was called definitive edition because it had some artifacts that were still reminiscent of we wasn't 100% rebuilt but it also it's weird it's very blurry lines yeah that was a really yeah but anyways I think they're they're not going to call prime one two and three remastered they're probably just do like the hd hd hd yeah yeah but even even then I think what how they're gonna handle it I think and I could be wrong you know this is my speculation but I feel that maybe the best way to reintroduce those is to reintroduce them when Nintendo is actually ready to talk about prime four because since they're not getting the the massive visual upgrade they're basically the same games they can be hey by the way prime four is coming you can play two now and three is coming later down the road so I have I have a thought on how they're going to handle releasing this stuff I think we're getting metro prime two and three this year I think they dropped this one now they're going to shadow drop two in the summer and they're going to shadow drop three this fall I was hoping I don't think they're going to talk about metro prime four during any of it because I think metro prime four is going to get its reveal when they unveil the next system so so it might even be a launch game and I think they're just building the momentum of Metroid up to launching the new system to be you're all hyped you really love it you want four or buy a new system you think it's exclusive yes I think I think does Nintendo do come should be I disagree does the the Nintendo doesn't do cross generation games very much it's usually only ever one right like Zelda oh it's pushed it'll be a cross gen but could metro prime four be a cross gen it could but Metroid's also a game that's always been people look at it and go damn that looks good it's always been like that visual treat Nintendo doesn't have a lot of games that are like that that aren't that that are that are not just like a Mario right Zelda tends to look that way but even in Tears of the Kingdom you can look that and go you look at that then go look at God of War Ragnarok on PS5 there's a clear difference on which one's really the visual treat and which one's like you look really good or a switch game um and I think they don't want the oh you look good for a switch game they want the you look good compared to any video game listen and they're gonna really think you should play remastered because I'm going to that's the kind of game I've watched people play I already know it looks really really good it looks better than that but it but no see this is some of your bias coming in no no no no no your bias is coming in big time no it's not you didn't understand what I said it looks better than what you watched and you know YouTube compression when you play a game in front of your eyes on actual TV it always looks better than what you're seeing on YouTube it always does yes but then that's not biased then when other games look significantly better than it also on YouTube there's bias coming in that you love Metroid Prime a lot but no the point I'm trying to get at here is that Metroid Prime remastered I think one of the special things about it is it's sort of I think it's easing a lot of people who are concerned how how Prime 4 would be if it were to come out on Switch I know you're arguing you're arguing that maybe Nintendo's going to do something where they basically unannounce it for Switch because it was announced for Switch not another system for Switch so they want to go back on that but you look at Prime as if they've never done that before they have a pretty big history of doing that by the way give me an example and you want you want an example I don't know of any okay well let's see Animal Crossing was an N64 game and they released it exclusively on Gamecube outside of Japan okay that was a long time ago it's more likely the game would do that Breath of the Wild what what Breath of the Wild came out on Wii U sure it did and they discontinued it after a month they discontinued it after a month they stopped printing copies they made it okay well I mean the point is if you want it for Switch it's going to be available but that's also a different situation though so first there's layers to this so first off Prime Remastered shows that they can make Prime 4 for Switch and it will look and play really well sure that that much is established so it isn't like and if we made it for the next gen platform it would look even better absolutely and I think they're going to do that I think they're going to have both versions but that's it's going to be cross gen I think it has to be cross gen the why do you think it has to be cross gen because of how many people own a Switch and because they promised us that Prime 4 was coming to Switch technically they just announced the game they didn't put a Switch logo with it it no no it didn't it didn't it was just a Switch logo at the end no it said in development for Nintendo Switch yeah that's what it said yeah it didn't have the logo well they they definitely intended that the first time around the time well in 2017 yeah exactly the system just came out of course we're making this for the system that just released yeah the question is is did they have that moment where they reassessed things in 2019 you know when it pandemic hits and they're like hey you know we need selling points for the next system if we hype people up on Metroid heading into that system now people who love Metroid have a reason to buy that next thing I can see this going either way my personal opinion on it is it would be smarter if it was a cross gen release if you want to play this game in the best visual quality you have to buy the new system but it will still look if it to Andre's point if it looks as good as Metroid Prime remastered it will see it should look better it doesn't look better that's a disappointment for sure but at the same time Metroid Prime remastered does truly look like a impossible port quote-unquote to the switch it looks like something that should be running on more powerful hardware it's one of the most beautiful games I think that's been released on switch period but I don't think that but yes to your point Metroid Prime has always kind of had that little head of its time who would have pointed out that might got so bored with this conversation he put on the DK yeah I looked at the DK I just saw a donkey taking a nap over there I do I do think that it's one of those things that Metroid Prime does kind of have that visual fidelity you know conversation tied to it because it was so ahead of its time on the GameCube of course that was the last system that Nintendo competed on power with but I don't know how they do it I do think it would be smarter to throw it on the install base of the switch if they really want it to be truly successful but if they just want to look the best and also be a quote-unquote system seller which you could argue if it will be or not depending on how they market it then it might be smarter to lock it on new hardware but I hope that they at least make a cross-generational so more people get a chance to play it I mean Nintendo has a huge history of not doing like the the PlayStation you know they did a cross-gen for a couple of year or two with games and Nintendo has never really done that they just know you buy our next system to play our new games and that's always been like a huge selling point time though right like we're is it that those trends are a more recent thing is it they did it with DS and 3DS DS sold more than Switch at least at the time the 3DS came out I'm talking about like the the whole idea of having cross-gen titles like Sony and Microsoft that's it's also a relatively recent trend for them Nintendo would still be fair they did it with PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 as well yeah so it's not that recent it's been going on for like over a decade if there's one company that truly believes in generations it's Nintendo it's yeah Nintendo believes in like yeah we have a new system to play our new games and when we have a new system out Nintendo usually feels like we're not doing it right so I'm not even disagreeing with you right I think you could be right that maybe they won't but they also might I think Nintendo is too old school that's that's pretty much my thought on that they're just way too old school I mean if one of the three is not going to do it it would be a Nintendo so I'll give you that but I also I'm going to I'm just saying it's not set in stone well imagine imagine and this kind of it's hard to imagine because WiiU sucks so bad but imagine that WiiU didn't suck and it sold like 30 40 million that wouldn't even be good for Nintendo we might have been good for old Nintendo not current day Nintendo they're they're even higher than that but let's say it did and then all those switch games that came out in that first year every single one of them were cross-gen would that have hurt very different would that have hurt the switch I think so okay and that's what I think Nintendo thinks as well so if they have all this money invested in Metroid Prime 4 and they think it's a big deal if they truly think it's a big deal then it's not cross-gen they'll just drop it exclusive because they think it could sell systems they think this is a prized game to move units but also here's another whole other angle but here's the kingdom what about it like here's the kingdom like you think they would have saved that for for the new system if they're different different says the new systems a year and a half out and they still want to sell 15 million switches yeah well there's another there's there's several angles to this conversation right like yeah we're assuming Prime 4 comes out at the earliest next year right at all I had to throw that out there hey we haven't seen this game since a logo so I'm just throwing out there at all retro studios hasn't been able to successfully produce the games as tropical freeze no they technically worked on remaster but look at all the other studios attached to it I don't even think it was that big of a team at retro that worked on it it was a very small team because they had a lot of other studios helping um but it's so it's actually interesting to bring that up right so it's all basically all like the rumors you heard about the the Metroid Prime 4 situation and the remaster situation it's just this remaster sort of validates that right and one part of that story this comes from Imran Khan retro studios had approached Nintendo with this initial sort of thing they were working on that was a Prime remaster Nintendo saw that and greenlit the Prime remaster project and then move Metro Prime 4 over to them so maybe they basically showed them off like the space frigate from Prime remaster they were like holy crap you know what I think is weird about that if that if that story actually is true all they did was visuals they didn't create the game the story the game all that was done before their time so like that'd be a really weird reason that oh because you can make things look pretty you should be how about you make a game like Metroid Prime and actually prove it in an original concept that's why I think if they got Metroid Prime 4 they had to have created an original demo because you just you're basically just saying we took someone else's work and made it look good that that's how you got Metroid Prime 4 I died I think there's zero developers left from the Metroid Prime day listen retro studios has continually built upon the initial Metroid Prime engine and they got Metroid Prime running on this most modern version of the engine and with them having the expertise with this engine that is clearly suited for Metroid Prime and you see how impressive it is for Switch it makes tons of sense to make Metroid Prime 4 with an even more up-to-date version of that from the studio that makes and updates that engine that's retro studios so I mean that that alone I think is a significant point I mean they just which can improve the visuals I don't I don't I don't think I don't think they're going over they're continually building upon the engine I'm pretty sure that this game didn't take them that long like everyone's really impressed with it and I get that it looks really nice I think people just undersell what the Switch is capable of and how good the original Metroid Prime looked and how good it can look when you actually dude I've seen I have seen people with emulators and less time make it look almost as good as what this as what this I don't honestly think they've got 4k texture packs out to be fair that look incredible that you can do on emulation for sure so like I do think on Switch hardware the fact that it runs at 60 clean with no frame drops and we see the kind of ports that make it over to Switch sometimes the studio did work I think that they did actually do work for this game sure I'm not saying they did do it three I think it's also why two and three we might be hearing the expectations of it's not going to be all this because this one I look at this another way that $40 price point tells me this wasn't a game that was heavily invested and it didn't take them that long and it's been done since 2021 I honestly think this might have been pulled off in a year I think people are really overselling how much work went into this look this isn't Doom who was built for better hardware this isn't the Witcher 3 that was built for better hardware this game was built for Gamecube do you know how much more powerful a Switch is compared to Gamecube like it is it is world it is leagues of a jump in power and it's running off the same code base using the same engine and they replaced all the textures and they made it look prettier and they did a lot of stuff with the the controls no no no no I've already seen all the comparisons it's not just textures this geometry it's lighting there's so much going on there and all of those things don't take that we're on people have inserted that into emulation with a mod in a month so I think listen listen we don't disagree okay it's not a game that took a lot of work that's what I'm saying and I'm not saying I disagree with you we're on the same page that's why it's 40 months but the point I'm trying to make to you is it's still retro studios that has made that engine that has kept it up to date that has made it capable of a game like primary master that looks and runs better than pretty much anything on switch so retro studios can do that they are the studio that can get metroid prime 4 that can do something that can also bring that special level of technical achievement even for an underpowered piece of hardware yeah I think you're giving them too much credit that engine was made by people that don't work there anymore I don't know that no because it's an up-to-date version of it the 2002 team did not make the up-to-date version of the engine no they're using the most recent version that was for we for starters I don't know if you realize like the lighting was better in in prime 3 than it was in prime 1 they also cleaned up the textures for all three games in trilogy so they did yeah they cleaned it up they made it a little nicer but I'm just pointing out that like this team didn't make this engine okay they can maintain it that's cool I'm just I'm just pointing out that look I have a lot of faith in retro studios but everybody who works there wasn't there the last time they released a video game like this is a entirely new unproven team who hasn't released a game in a decade so I think we have to agree just agree on this but I'm just gonna I'm gonna leave this anyways much of prime 4 next gen exclusive that that was my main point this is this is the point I'm gonna make and it's gonna look fantastic we've had this discussion before and you've had doubt in retro studios before they just released yes there was help because they're working on a lot of help but they just they just released arguably the most impressive remaster we've ever seen from Nintendo and you still doubt them and they didn't do it alone they hired a whole bunch of external studios how do you know they even did the work to make the engine work and they one of these other studios didn't do it did you see how many studios are in the credits a lot this is not even this is not then this is a conglomeration of like I can't remember it's like 17 different developers this was the you're giving retro studios all the credit for what work that many of the other studios probably did well we won't know what actually happened behind the scenes period but what I think you can say is that at the very least whoever's at retro now at least has a clear cut picture that Metroid Prime is important to Nintendo and so if they're gonna spend the developing dollars to to make this thing I'm just the fact that we're getting Prime 1 through 3 should tell us everything we need to know about where Nintendo actually wants to go with this franchise you know they want to make it a big deal I mean absolutely that's what I'm saying so I don't disagree with that even if retro even if we're giving them too much credit for the remaster that maybe they didn't do all the work on I literally think it's like two people I'll give you an example Nintendo's done this before by the way Grezzo made a link between worlds there's only one person from Nintendo that actually worked on that game and it was the director and it still was considered a cross game between Nintendo and Grezzo I'm kind of thinking it's a situation where they just had somebody in charge from retro but the brunt of the work was done by the other studios so we do have credits right and so you're yeah we do there are several teams on there I mean I think it's a I'm glad you brought the credits because there's there's the other man we're talking about all the negative stuff we haven't even talked about the positive no no the positive it's fantastic look I think the positive speak for itself it's the best version of Metroid Prime ever it's one of the best-looking first-person games definitely on Switch because we don't have that many of them and all the ones we have are multi-platform third-party games so naturally those don't look as good because they're made for hardware way more powerful this was built for Switch it looks great it's fantastic it's 60 FPS the controls are amazing yes if you've never played Metroid Prime before play it 40 bucks what are you doing buy this a lot of Metroid Prime you should play it again because it's really good I'm going to play it again I'm sorry that I'm busy playing my favorite game of all time that has a direct I was talking about everyone not me just say it a lot of people haven't played it because it's sold under three million copies on the GameCube and then slightly you know like a million each time yeah it barely sold anything in the trilogy a lot of people have also have that trilogy that didn't do I thought let's hope that it would be better and to be fair they haven't played a game that's one of the highest Metacritic and you can't put all the stock in the world in Metacritic but when it gets above that like 95, 96, 97 you need to pay attention and this is one of those games you know so it's like unfortunately Metacritic doesn't make that much of a difference because look at Scotland Violet for sales yeah yeah well Pokemon's also an established franchise that always sells really well and then people are so hyped over open world yeah the best selling games aren't the best review games it's always been the case it's I feel like the best selling games are games that are good but they're good for more people yeah I don't yeah I think the more I think the better turn to put it is mainstream absolutely right mainstream mainstream doesn't have to be rated high you just as long as it's a 70 or higher and it's a solid experience any game can be mainstream the top tier games can also be mainstream but they're not always built in that way like a lot of people that get mad at Breath of the Wild or don't like Breath of the Wild they think it would mainstream okay fine it probably did and then it did it and maintain 97 over already yeah sometimes you get that perfect pairing I mean Elden Ring kind of pulled that off too right like they went more mainstream with what From Software it is but they still kept to be fair Elden Ring I think didn't really upset really any of the Souls fans because no it pretty much kept everything it's a core Souls game at it yeah they pretty much kept everything there was it wasn't as drastic make it more accessible because you might not get stuck against the same boss 10 times you know like just depth over and over it was definitely more accessible way more accessible yeah it's kind of like you know Monster Underworld right like was also like a big explosion point for the series too yeah yeah you know it's it's an interesting that's a more mainstream I think I think whenever you say like open world that usually helps games sell more well it's I think it helps games sell more where people look at it and go with that makes sense to be open world yeah Metroid I don't think I don't think I don't think at all it doesn't make sense to be open no it's open zone where you have some large zone sure we've seen that before like that can work yeah one of the core two seconds Mike one of the core the core gameplay mechanics of a Metroid game is exploring through a portion of a level realizing that you can't open that door yet you can't traverse through that part you can't get that item that upgrade whatever and you have to come back there is there is backtrack play inherently in Metroid games at their core formula but they make it enjoyable and they figure out how to make that enjoyable at least it is for me and you're constantly getting upgrades along the way like they shouldn't mess with that formula too heavily but oh if they'd come out and say Metroid Prime 4 is open world it's I'm actually gonna be more concerned if that's the case yeah I think maybe something they can do to kind of modernize the gameplay a little bit is make backtracking more palatable I don't know I enjoy every minute of it once the game like prime well I think I think for mainstream reasons making them are backtracking and you know they actually made how to change it in the remaster even though the changes were minimal gameplay wise that I think actually helps it's um whenever you shoot the gun the arm cannon I mean it's multiple shots yeah three years of one before right when you're charging three for the power beam which is like the rapid fire one the other the ice beam is still slow but it still shoots once and then plasma and wave or two but what the overall effect is that it makes it easier to rapid fire because in previous Prime you got pressing a lot crazy which can be very taxing but in remaster you can either do a or the trigger either or and it's a little bit easier to shoot a lot that helps Mike you tried to get in where you go get in with well can we talk about the rest of 2023 no no it wasn't that it wasn't that and what was it Mike I just wanted to say Metroid will never become mainstream a big big seller Metroid will always be what Metroid is and stay in the Metroid lane where Metroid fans play Metroid games I will say this since we started talking about Metroid the viewership on our podcast has gone down by 50 mainstream it's not as popular as Zelda like that's obvious unless unless they take the franchise and they press of the last of us it they last of us it they basically create a series a TV series with Metroid that would literally get people all right see what you mean TV series like make it mainstream put it out there you know make it mainstream somewhere else and have them think the game is and is like almost a movie adaption but it's not yeah people realize it's this game has all the elements to be a very good sci-fi thriller show that that should be out there literally with millions of viewers that would have that will eventually become players of the game you know what I mean so um you know I think I think Metroid on its own it's never going to get there unless it breaks out and I think it will eventually well because Nintendo is hitting out to Hollywood now you know with Mario and all these other franchises watch Metroid Prime 4 just be a call of duty in space yeah just just we're mainstreaming the hell out of this game now yeah that's gonna be a big problem if Halo Infinite can't crack that market and Metroid that might be the reason that look they didn't do it we're Nintendo yeah see the thing is they they did and then we're gonna have friend codes to invite each other what are you bringing the hunters we're gonna hunters well no well Halo Infinite is interesting I'm glad you guys brought that up because like Halo they made it open world right they had it free to play like they clearly did a whole bunch of things to try and make it mainstream which is kind of kind of I didn't even just kind of dawn on me that they did all that well they ruined a lot of things with that game here's the problem 343 like it's been multiple halos in a row that they've just kind of like degraded it and I feel a little bad for them because they were given an impossible task I mean Microsoft should have did everything they could to make sure the OG developers didn't leave but uh what are you gonna do they weren't throwing around the big bucks back then like they are today I think no the Microsoft of today would have never let Bungie leave what would have never happened but well what's wrong Halo is that Halo became mainstream and became one of the biggest games of Xbox it's just they milked it too much you know they they started milking until people got I don't know I mean we get more Zelda games than we do Halo can I ask you guys a question how much do you guys think much of your primary master is gonna sell do you okay well let's make it more a little bit simpler is it gonna beat Metroid Dread thousand copies I'm gonna say yes thousand copies I'd gosh I think it's you don't have a number one at eShop it's fast that Metroid Prime was already the best selling Metroid game ever on the Gamecube and it has a lot of that core audience still wanting to check out this if they were a thing I think at most people who played Metroid Prime are probably somewhat of a fan of it you have that whole audience you have a much larger install base and it's 40 bucks I think if Dread being the 2D type of gameplay style that it is and people are seeing this Shadow Drop to the Nintendo Direct I think it can do it it's not guaranteed but I don't think it does much more than it I 3, 4, 5 million this is where I think the Shadow Drop hurts it because a Dread had a marketing cycle that got it with commercials and got it in front of people who don't watch Directs the people who watch Directs are the hardcore fanbase they were gonna buy this no matter what it could have been 60 could have been 70 could have launched next year could have launched this year they were gonna buy it no matter what so the thing is I honestly think we're gonna see a sales update that it sold 2 million at the next update and I don't know if it's gonna have legs past that because this sort of Shadow Drop works with the core audience it does not grab the outside audience yeah it doesn't make you I don't know and now if we start seeing an additional marketing campaign all summer they start dropping commercials they keep pushing it yes I think it can I don't know that Nintendo's gonna do that though for a $40 drop when they got Zelda and Pikmin and other things to push it's tricky because something that's going on right now is that Metroid Primary Master it is getting a lot of conversation online right then you got 10,000 noodles coming in at over 4 million that would probably make people smile that would make me smile that would be nice by the way I know it seems like I'm really negative on Metroid I love Metroid I really do it's my second favorite franchise even above Mario it's just it's always been so niche and it's so I just don't know what's going to break it out but if it sells 4 million I'm there there you go you're hitting Zelda game number you're hitting bad Zelda game numbers we'll take that that's a step in the right that's a very good Metroid best ever I mean if it beats Skyward Sword HD it would and that sets us up as that's what I was saying you you cross 4 million that's that that's what Nintendo gets disappointed with with Zelda game sales and then but for Metroid that's huge because if you did that with this then what if two can also sell four what if three also sells four and you build that momentum to get six seven million with with with Metroid Prime 4 that'd be great you know I as as maybe the the most like that's an optimistic Metroid fan here I doubt two and three will get four each definitely you know you know you know I was trying I was taking the option I was trying to set the positivity in it but Prime one though I think Prime one has a shot to kind of yeah I give it a million 500,000 anyway moving forward 1.5 look I think Metroid has the I think it has what it takes to make it in Hollywood I think that out of any franchise of Nintendo out of any brand any IP Metroid has the most I think you know the most I think potential of becoming a very good series even if you they take it and they do like Skyward like like animated series on not country network and you know somewhere else whatever I don't know him yeah like like an animated series like they did Star Wars that uh that yeah the Clone Wars Clone Wars the Clone Wars yeah yeah yeah see I see what you're saying Mike I think you know you're onto something a little bit where I think Metroid is at a hard time I mean the entire genre that Metroid's in is at a hard time really getting like mainstream appeal you'll always hear core gamers and YouTubers talking about all the Metroidvania games but none of them are selling 10 million like there's just not what they do um and it's sad because it's such a great franchise it is it's amazing and a lot of people are missing out as they waste their time on other games that aren't as good but that's everyone's allowed to enjoy what they want to enjoy I think that Metroid though the concept of it as a sci-fi can work so well as a show that you might be onto something that a show could be way bigger than the games and that might actually help the games so something interesting I think this is a great like it's definitely a good we're headed in a good direction here because like it's something that I sort of resonates with me because when I'm as I've been playing Prime remastered you know and you see some there's like some cut scenes there but they're definitely is very minimalistic right compared to other games nowadays but you know I kind of look at like what's the the path to evolution for Prime 4 and I think that you know having something it's a little bit more cinematic that tells a little bit more of an exciting compelling story not that Prime has it but like you look at like what they did with Dread for example like there's a little bit of voice acting there were some powerful moments yeah they did a great job with that game an amazing job but it's still you know it still is relatively minimal but like if with Prime 4 they really hype it up but we just didn't feel minimal because Metroid hasn't really done that stuff yeah but like yeah exactly that's I'm a hardcore friend so like yeah to me it was a big deal but also and really like it wasn't that much I mean it wasn't like JRPG with 30 hours it's like I said press all the while that's voice acting oh my gosh but then like it's only specific lines and specific lines for care but like I mean I mean again for Prime 4 it doesn't have to be 20 hours of cut scenes right could maybe just be like an hour or two but it's spaced out over you know not going to say like a 100 hour game but you know let's say it's 20 30 hours or something and they you know they it's all part of their marketing lead up maybe Samus does have some voice lines and it's done in a very cinematic hype exciting way and that helps to bring in even more people especially if it is kind of like this visual showcase for Nintendo as primary masters for the switch whatever Prime 4 releases on it's going to be impressive right if it happens in game it's never going to work it's not going to attack people whether it has voice over or not if it happens in game because the thing is getting people by the game getting into the game and if if there's nothing outside that people can hook up to you know what to bring bring him into the franchise no matter how much you improve the game that ain't going to bring new players into it yeah but the other issue though right is I think Metroid has to kind of get to another tier before Nintendo is even willing to make a show with like that kind of a budget that would bring an even larger audience I also think no you go on some really yeah no no all I was going to say is because it is truly a gamble if they take it in a cinematic direction and then it's not a household recognizable name I mean they would have to pull off something incredible like a last of us HBO Mac style series you know and that's but that's just a gamble at the end of the day as if if the mainstream eyeballs will even you know look give that a second look because obviously we know the Super Mario Bros movie is going to be a smash hit success and it it targets a broad audience and the family audience more but I don't know if that's I think Metroid could work in that sense but if Nintendo would sign off on that that's where I feel like it'd be more of the coin I would also say like for a franchise like Metroid you know I keep wanting you know at at to me breath of the wild change my mind on so many things of what is possible like the best selling Zelda ever was only eight million and suddenly they have a 30 million selling Zelda game you know the best so say the best selling Metroid all times at 2.9 million probably over three million but just not updated numbers with dread okay well then can that explode into 15 at least I I think there are possibilities there I don't know that it happens with a numbered entry like a prime four because putting a number always does make an audience feel like I need to have played the prior ones and they might even though they're coming out they're coming back it doesn't mean that they're invested in them and you know the hardcore fan base might want to replay him but like new gamers might not be as invested so then it might not build up the prime four and this is the unique thing with Zelda is that almost every Zelda game except maybe Tears of the Kingdom and Majora's Mask maybe could stand on their own without a prior game and so for Metroid to have that moment it would almost need to be maybe much to even my chagrin a significantly different type of Metroid game that stands on its own and that might make people love like like like I'm just oh I don't want it to go open world or shouldn't do that but like if that's what it has to do to hit the main stream yeah I mean that's what it has to do and it could end up being weighed it might not even be based around puzzles imagine a game with no backtracking like that doesn't even sound like Metroid can't fly for your order no yeah we'll have to we'll have to humanize status you know bring bring the girl out you know let's see let's see her before she became met uh imagine a Metroid with villages and NPCs and like you're like what is happening give her give her they still feel like Metroid that's what people feel like but that's what people feel like with Breath of the Wild yeah it is way different than any Cryer Zelda game yeah to add to what uh Mark was saying I think that Metroid could do way it it is a risk like everything else but I think they could do well in the main stream of course that first has Nintendo the Nintendo brand that's Nintendo had adding Nintendo to it Nintendo's producing this show oh Nintendo let's take a look at it see that pilot there and then take people on that on a journey with that pilot on a emotional journey with that pilot with what Sam is and get them hooked on her you know what I mean we love you Samis create a story for her of course could be canon I don't know how much I got it I'm not I'm not a big Metroid fan I play Metroid Dread I loved it and I'm playing I'm gonna play that's great Metroid Prime it's a great game to start with have you ever played before yeah but um you know give Samis a story that people can kind of get attached to you know what I mean and when it comes to the pilot episode of the Metroid series and I think from then on it's just it's just an uphill you know people sure working in a week over week and get invested in a show and then that'll eventually lead them to you know play the games as well I think Metroid yeah both in the work become a big seller it needs a lot of help still it needs help so I'm gonna say something that's interesting sure and I want to like look at more numbers like this is that I think it's a kind of a fun idea numbers are fun so I took a look at the initial gamecube sales for Luigi's Mansion do you guys remember what they're at I'm gonna say it was 3.33 right yeah um you look at Luigi's Mansion three sales for Switch 12.44 so it's about about four times right but there was a game in between too yeah yeah Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon got six and a half which is pretty impressive so it basically doubled up each time which is pretty cool and then you look at something like Twilight Princess which was the previous best selling Zelda game before Breath of the Wild was around like like what seven inch million around there maybe it was I think I think a little higher I think a little higher nine by times actor in the gamecube and we release yeah time originally was around seven it was and all was the only one to cross eight I'm not sure if it quite hit nine I mean the with the Wii U release it definitely did but Twilight let me just it's probably like pretty readily accessible Twilight Princess sales yeah they might separate it out yeah well VG charts well actually VG charts I know the guy who runs it he uh they update their numbers to the official numbers after okay after they release sorry well not to mention some people say like they're not accurate but every time I've reported on anything like in their little estimate and it's like literally and then yeah and then it's right there I mean that's basically VG charts used to be really bad they used to be really really bad but the guy who runs their numbers now changed everything and actually got contacts at all the various places to get the estimates before they come out so that's why they're a lot better about it yeah they he's been really trying to turn the reputation around but you know I mean it's kind of like IGN seven seven too much water like you know some people are gonna let go if you account for Gamecube and we I mean it looks like it looks like it'd be close to about nine million maybe just under but anyways the point is um you look at those sales you multiply it by four that's close to how much breath of the wild is sold granted it's evergreen let me sneeze there's like dust all right I'm good anyway so like it's around that range right so like Luigi's Mansion to Luigi's Mansion three about four times Twilight Princess the previous bestselling but the switch I understand that there is the Darkmoon situation yeah you can't ignore Darkmoon like that literally doubled up the sales from one and then it doubled up again with three so like like you're like jumping Twilight Princess bestselling game in the series The Breath of the Wild but you're ignoring the bestselling game in the Luigi's Mansion series yeah at the time but it was Darkmoon was Darkmoon yeah yeah and you gotta remember switch appeals to the handheld audience so like they're there the people who bought Darkmoon are there so but the reason why I'm comparing Gamecube right it's because Metroid Prime was was for Gamecube as was Luigi's Mansion so you look at the Luigi's Mansion jump right and actually maybe a better comparison for Zell will be Wind Waker to Breath of the Wild just in terms of like seeing like that core entry for the Gamecube and seeing the kind of jump it saw on Switch well that's what I'm getting at here yeah I mean I I I see what I'm trying to get at here is if we could like look at sales numbers and this is oh you know you can't just look at one or two games and then be like oh okay it's going to multiply it by four right yeah yeah just kind of like pull like every like major Nintendo game that released on Gamecube like the primary version that that sold well on that and look at its closest counterpart on Switch and see how it multiplied and if there's like maybe some sort of correlation there and then take a look at Metroid Prime which would be the comp for for Prime 4 and Metroid Prime was like we're on two and a half million and seeing you know okay well what would be the reasonable expectation for Prime 4 now some caveats to that we're really laying to Switch life cycle right so like we'll even have an opportunity to enjoy an opportunity to get to that level you know but you know that all said you know if Metroid Prime sold two and a half million it wouldn't shock me if Prime 4 could like at least eclipse 5 let's see I look at it like even if it sells two and a half million I just I think that might just be the Metroid audience like we can't ignore that Metroid Prime has already come out on a popular platform before this isn't its first rodeo on a popular platform or at least the Metroid Prime 3 came out in 2007 that week and that was right in the heyday of we oh well on we in general though we just talked about Twilight Princess it's not the best selling Zelda ever was we Twilight Princess did sell really well on we but it also the Skyward Sword was a you know a bomb for those you know Zelda yeah but that was a late that was a late in the generation release Metroid Prime 3 corruption was right in the heyday of of we popular for sure I just know at least and honestly sold well I was that hardcore growing up in Nintendo galaxy oh yeah you're true yeah but I was like other core games were selling well to Metroid Prime 3 corruption didn't see that bump from the I think there was a lot of the core there was a lot of core Nintendo audience that was turned off by motion controls in the we era like it not that nobody got a we or didn't buy all the games for it but I do think that there was a solid percentage of the audience that was like I don't want to only have the ability to play motion at least that's how I felt and I know a lot of people that felt that way that maybe would have picked up that game if it had traditional control options I don't know I don't know that Prime 3 corruption is the best example of of I mean it was just declining sales sadly for Metroid Prime 1, 2 and 3 I'm trying to see what the sales were for 3 I don't remember yeah it was it was like around 1 I think yeah a little like maybe 1 and a half yeah it's a little so the reason I'm bringing that up is that I believe there were Call of Duty games on Wii that outsold Metroid Prime 3 I'm just like all three main stream though should they should should it it should Call of Duty should out it's main stream just with the it was it was just becoming main stream back then it wasn't like as big as it is today was it the 2005 Call of Duty that really like took things to the other level or was it 2006 it was whatever one came after Halo Modern Warfare on the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 I know in Modern Warfare 2 were yeah the big I mean that one one of those were the ones that really blew it up I want to say online play popped off and it would just change everything it happened before Prime 3 yeah and then that the Call of Duty Wii versions came out even later into the Wii cycle right so but anyway the point I'm making is that I think that with Wii a lot of the audience wasn't like core gamers right so for example yes Twilight Princess sold best on on the Wii like it was the best selling Zelda in large part thanks to the Wii audience but also Ocarina of Time was a previous holder and Wii sold three times as many systems and yet it's it's not like Twilight Princess sold three times as many Ocarina of copies it was only like a couple million more than Ocarina of Time actually is an Ocarina of Time around 7 million for the N64 something like that yeah and then the the Wii version only sold like set a little bit a little bit beyond that we just account for GameCube numbers to kind of get it closer to like that 9 million so point is is that that 100 million Wii owners I think is misleading in terms of like sales potential for core games because most of that were were casual gamers that weren't interested in most core Nintendo IP I have always felt like that about the Wii they've had some very successful titles but it was I mean look at any Nintendo Wii commercial it was marketed and so many people learned what a Nintendo they said I have a Nintendo you know that they knew what it was like the same way that Apple hit it out of the park with iPad and everybody has that has a tablet say they have an iPad like they didn't know what they had they just had a Nintendo this is the way I've always felt about Metroid like we're focusing on on the Wii Nintendo's had core gaming platforms all throughout the years and Metroid has never been able to be a big seller it's always been right around the Kirby numbers it's like I don't think the appeal of Metroid has changed just because we have a bigger audience yeah I just don't think the appeals gotten any better I don't know and that sucks by the way that sucks because Metroid Prime and Metroid Dread like these are amazing games it sucks but like I don't think they just because it looks prettier doesn't make it appeal more you know I don't think it has either but I do think that Nintendo is taking all the right steps right now if it were if it is to ever start to grow into something bigger they're they're doing everything I wanted to I want to switch effect idea with the with the TV series they might need to get on that but outside of that I feel like everything in terms of the gaming sphere they're doing the right stuff so it's just going to come down to whether or not they I mean if there's a I'm going to cry in the picture pick up Prime 4 for most gamers I'm going to cry if Prime 4 can't outsell Dread I'm going to cry I can't imagine a world where that happens but it would be a depressing day well it would be because that would that would probably be like the last time Nintendo invests well yeah we wouldn't we wouldn't we might still get side scrolling from Mercury Steam or something but yeah I think the reason why it wouldn't would be timing because I think you know had it come out a few years earlier for sure would no doubt Prime 4 would if well yeah and I think it ever green it you know find a way keep marking every holiday like to do all the other games yeah that's the problem now is like it's so late in the life cycle like it almost like that's why I think like I mean do we all think it should launch with the next system at least even if it's cross-gen it needs something it needs momentum I think it's launch window I think 3D Mario is a launch day game for the next system I think they could do both not in the same day why because it's it's too much overlap well how it's completely different audiences no you're not going to convince a Mario gamer who loves Mario plays every Mario to play Metroid they're they're they're so different 3D Mario yes but but but I but I you're right there's many Mario fans that will not buy Metroid but most Metroid finds we'll also buy we'll also buy Mario so that's the problem if they they want it to become a Mario household name they might not want to launch on the same day to be fair but I do think that it should be I would love to see it be a launch title but maybe launch window is the better term like the month after but if it's if it's at the start of the lineup or something like that yeah if it's at the start of the lineup of the new next generation hardware it's going to be putting it in a good spot because people who buy the new console are going to want to get games for that console cool let's get into our final topic here so I was just reading that super chat for a second I'm like oh everyone stop talking as I'm reading the super chat that's that's great by the way thank you so much for the $5 I think it was a $2 super chat earlier I made sure I showed it on stream remember guys any super chats can always show did I miss one Bama Hut gift if I remember oh I can't I can't show you no I know but thank you so much shout out to Bama Hut for the five gifted remember any super chats during show them on screen we won't always commentate on them unless it happens to be something that we catch and it looks like it's adding right in the but I always show them on screen I do not do this on any of my other live streams only because I can't get it to work but it works on the podcast so so podcast exclusive feature all right let's get into our final topic and that is what the hell was Nintendo doing the rest of this year Pikmin in July and then what because this is the first director where they said primarily games in a certain thing and they pretty much didn't veer off it and they almost always veer off it and tease a big game for the second half at least one and they didn't does this mean they have a huge summer show coming and they're going to blow our faces off does this mean maybe they just don't have a lot of big stuff coming maybe they're just waiting for the Pokemon event to announce Pokemon games to fill out the second half what's going on yeah um you know I think it's interesting we've got Pikmin all right all right as well like these are oh Mike I've been waiting my turn this is my topic all right go on all right anyway I I I think this is a transition year the only reason we're getting tears of the kingdom this year and even Pikmin for I think both of the games were delayed games that were pushing to this year and I think this year was always meant to be like one of those small years but a lot of a port year like you like you use uh who I remember who stated like Nate stated I do I also agree that in the summer director we're going to get Metro Prime 2 and then in uh in the winter directly Metro Prime 3 next year I also believe Metro Prime 4 will be a next-gen called next-gen game why would you want to release a game for this switch at literally the last day of the switch you know kind of like you know saying exclusive or or cross I think they I think it might be an exclusive it might be an exclusive you know might be I don't I don't know it has a potential to be if it's going to be that big of a game it could be a game uh a big seller for Metro fans to to invest in the next-gen console they're giving you uh uh a refresher with the three games the prior years so that the next year they can actually catch you with Prime 4 because that's the game that you really want to play you know they're they're they're messing with your feelings there anyway but okay I feel like we're going to get more ports this year I do feel like we're going to get when we go in in Twilight Princess this year as a port I do feel like we're going to get um at least another Zelda remake for some reason uh remake maybe like like uh Link's Awakening I know there was one that was in the talk bless you but um yeah something like that but I think this is a port year I don't think it's going to be a big while year but that's what we have now um they're going to continue to have more more games to game boy advanced uh you know more games to game boy even though Nintendo has just said we're not dedicating to releasing games every month yeah more games we're going to release something we feel like more games are expected but I don't think I think they'll go with the direct direct route rather than going the monthly route like we're only going to get games maybe five or six per direct per you know what I mean instead of uh that's just so weird like there's such a massive library on game boy and game boy events like for them to say we can't dedicate to releasing at least one a month like that's just weird right yeah that's so weird they're too busy with the switch too you know it should be it should be an entirely this should be a team dedicated to it they're not even involved with switch right hopefully we do see them stick to roughly one per month but I can see them just not wanting to commit because they've never committed to a road well I mean I think we're going to we're going to see at least like 12 games this year we're already we got Fire Emblem we got Metroid we got Kirby we got Bayonetta yeah we got Advance I mean we have a lot of games well yeah the first half of this year is packed it's like it's a really really great start to I mean it's an amazing start to the year to be you know and then add a Pokemon game to that when you know but then like the second half has nothing at the moment besides it's super interesting you look at like how they handle primary master right like now that they've shown well we assume that it's selling well we don't know for a fact we hope right it's number one on the eShop but we never really know what the eShop sales are what does that mean right what if that only means a hundred thousand although we have seen that digital sales are continually trending more and more yeah yeah it's almost 50 I think they just said it's 50 percent of their total sales now to be fair that doesn't mean that each game is that they're including like all the indie games and everything in that as well but anyways yeah but yeah so you know what the point is is that with primary master you know it looks like it's doing pretty good to shadow drop that sets a precedent like maybe they can shall drop other things people point out that's right it's ahead of Hogwarts legacy on Amazon best sellers and that's a physical version and it hasn't even released yet I was just pulling up Amazon selling that's a big deal yeah and yet despite that you still doubt that it'll eclipse two million so yes yeah because I mean there's always a big rush initially it's not the initial rush we'll get a couple of mills that's a lot of sales are at launch and I and I the thing is I'm on the same page with you right like I'm excited about this but I also know I don't think it has legs but it's the legs thing it's the same thing the Metroid Dread right like I you know Metroid Dread got to 2.9 like fast super fast and then hasn't sold a mill hasn't sold a mill in a quarter sensory what I got either that intelligence not telling us well they update that they update that they know every time a game sells a million in a quarter they tell us at the it's it's reported every time it's just not doing it yeah so and yeah so that that is a concern right but point is they could have a june direct shall drop something for june you know maybe maybe paper mario the thousand-year you know what they're not at 8300 what they're not at 8300 well they got to do something because if you after july there's literally nothing there's they wait till july they wait till july pick me three came out okay now what um now we're all twiddling you know you want to talk about rumor city guys imagine we get past pick me three and still don't know what's coming over we're gonna be living off rumors because nobody know what the hell is coming I kind of want that to happen though just because for views would be great we'll be I think first party games will not we will not have a lot a lot of first party games is I think poke something pokemon I don't now that we've got nothing announced yeah I I think one reason nothing's been announced is I still stand by I don't know what it's going to be but there's going to be a big Pokemon game this holiday or at least relatively big and that it's something that's going to sell 10 million copies I don't know what it is Pokemon legends something so you got Xenoblade that's probably gonna have a physical release the same way torna Xenoblade DLC story had a physical release right I mean and the thing is the torna the golden country was basically the length of a pokemon game so you know you couldn't count it it just sounds so small compared to Xenoblade because like Xenoblade games are massive like right yeah it's it's yeah like it's just unreal monoliths it's unreal with the content they put in the game I would say torna is like a 30 to a half of an actual full Xenoblade game which is still really long which is pretty good for like here's the thing like it's really long but I mean you know a lot of times people look at DLC don't want to be expansion packs and the expansion packs usually add about a third more to a game right you know so yeah it just happens that Xenoblade is that big like it's massive that a third is like an entire game yeah right sales wise it's you know smaller than dread I will I will say it has shown consistent growth so there is that granted the growth is really small we're like hundreds of thousands of units but each one keeps selling a little better so good for monoliths yeah I mean yeah well so like fire emblem Xenoblade and maybe that trader around seem to be around the same tier sales wise which is I think it's fine like I'm you know and tonk and have I mean games to sell two to three million really weird to say Kirby has a better selling game than all of them and that's what happens when you go when you're ambitious when you finally make a game 3D and you actually try something new with the series people play it we'll play it yeah yeah we'll play it another game by the way I forgot that wasn't a disc by the way I've forgotten lands amazing forgotten land is my favorite curvy game she has a bang hands down hands down my yo visually it's awesome as well like it even like they did the little 15 frame trick in the background it works yep help give me another one of those this year I'll take one of those forgotten land I think is deserving of the second best switch title last year it's up there that's that's it's up there I mean you got because you got RCS we have Xenoblade 3 Xenoblade there's that as well gosh curvy one best family game paying out of 3 last year best family game is basically the Nintendo thing because they just put a whole bunch of Nintendo games there was one LEGO Star Wars was in there right I was it was terrifying but what's about to happen with that but and the thing is that's a good game so like I couldn't even get mad if it won it was it is a good game but I couldn't even got mad it's one of the best LEGO games ever made can you imagine having six was it six or five and you you own 80% of it and you lose that actually happened there was um was an RPGs they lost that category I thought they might get blanked but they had 80% of the RPG category and they lost Elden Room which makes sense but right then you have Taker reminding us that Mario Kart Wave 6 DLC could be a big holiday release I am curious if that DLC pack because like they're they're gonna want to get people to subscribe still adding characters yeah they're adding characters so I'm like I'm wondering if like the final wave is going to be like completely all new tracks and like just a handful of characters to get people hyped to sign up to that service during the holidays yeah kind of wonder if they're building up to that and listen um we we are definitely getting another Mario game this year who another Mario Kart hit the white bundle uh no maybe like maybe a 2D Mario no no no I mean like I don't think it's gonna be a platformer I think it's gonna be a sports game also a spin-off game yeah okay yeah it was rumored and then and then I mean around the time it's still release yeah um every single year since 2017 there has been at least a Mario game every single year so this year can't be any different if we are transitioning I don't think something about Zelda and then last year happened what about a 2D Mario instead of the sports game since we just recently got strikers yeah I don't think there has to be a sports game every year I really hope for the 2D Mario because I'm uh you know I mean I because look if they're gonna keep up the Mario thing then Sloggers is probably what's next yeah yeah but I I do want to say I think some people have jumped on like the Mario sports every year bandwagon because for the last two years we got it but if one of those is strikers though and strikers made is made by um is it next level yeah it's made by the next level right so it's it's not the traditional Mario sports style strikers is kind of but that also means that because it wasn't made by the normal Mario sports team that they could be working on a different game and they've had more time to work on it and drop on this year sure but so what what Mario it kind of says this came out um 2018 and then in 2021 we got the Mario Golf so super rush super rush right so it's they're on a three year cycle which would imply that 2020 next year yeah and and no yeah yeah 2021 to 2024 right exactly unless they want to push it and have it all this year because they don't have any and no I didn't say I didn't say a sports Mario I say a Mario game not yeah yeah you just gave that as an option yeah it was like one of the options well I brought up earlier what if it's paper Mario because one year was Mario maker in a Mario maker we had uh yeah yeah paper Mario we've had um Mario party that's another one two Mario parties we've had a third one we could they they like to push those out like crazy sometimes yeah I hope they don't because superstars was in my opinion one of the best Mario parties ever I agree and it didn't sell as well as the prior ones so I'm like don't rush a third one don't do it cool give a bigger gap in the Ouija game a Mario game give us time to miss it give us time to miss it and then it'll sell well again super rush should still get DLC I think you know like it really should they should have to scan the everything can get DLC yeah I mean yeah nothing's on the table now that eight deluxe is getting DLC through the end of 2023 yeah here we go shadow drop rest of the wild DLC to bridge the bridge to the next game oh here's here's a here's a crazy idea right not marion luigi which would be amazing that's how they got me what what if 30 what if they what if they capitalize on this extensive peach roll and come out with a new peach game huh super brood yeah super Princess Peach 2 could wow I'd buy it I didn't buy the first one because I was a kid I couldn't buy every game that came out back give me a new give me a new side scrolling warrior land I'll be happy oh that'd be cool too here you go yeah now the thing is it would peach would a peach or warrior game would be a truly capitalizing on the marion movie hype right they may want to and it has marion the title yeah of course yeah I mean we don't even know if wario is even really in the movie so yeah if I had to place my bet the game would sell big you know just just make a game about the movie super mario bros movie the yeah I would I mean what if there is a a movie based game coming that we don't know like it's not something that's like a big 3d game I don't think but you know like a side scrolling something that might be tangentially related and has references marion if it's based on the movie people are gonna be like upset because then you know oh this would be mario oh man it's a bowser game here's the thing if it appeals to a whole new odd here's the thing though like if the movie takes off like a lot of us think it will it could create a whole new audience that wants that it will you know it will I mean it will for those for not nintendo fans but for nintendo fans who are you know upset well and likely me I'm not I got an idea I'm Mike you're worried you're worried the same things zelda fans do to you and others like me today oh man I mean hardcore mario fans are gonna do that to people who are fans of that it was a hard time for me today to experiencing I've never experienced that in my life like somebody literally threatening me because I put a video of zelda the same video that Nate divided in three parts although you explain it better because yours are the yeah but that doesn't I still make this listen man listen man I don't care what your opinion is on something if you are insulting or attacking someone that says more about you than it does about the person you're insulting because look listen I see people that say all sorts of garbage on youtube I don't attack them why because I'm not the worst person in the world maybe I'm like second or third worst but I'm not the worst right so so you know it's you gotta just I mean it's you gotta just regard that shit but you know I'll say this I'm just happy that that youtube caught it as an act of aggression and they blocked the but I can see it in the back on my you know my block you know yeah yeah held for never never read held for review that's my advice yeah from there from there I was able to I do it because I'm so my subscribers oh my I can't see my comment I keep commenting and sometimes it gets yeah there's spam filter sometimes catches that yeah sure oh I go there I go there and I see I see some people that okay this is fine this is fine this is fine but then that one was like what am I so I went ahead and just reported it in the you know blocked it so you know yeah I don't I can I don't have any issues blocking people like they're literally I think I block more people than I've subscribed to my channel you know just to make sure that that the community is safe because I I want my community safe and clean and a lot of a lot of keyboard warriors out there that act tough online yeah they won't even they would even dare say any of this stuff they say to us to our face ever yo I kind of want to announce like if we go to like like Patrick's like hey I'm gonna be here if you hate me I can't wait to see you what and look down upon you I'm just kidding well they don't look down upon me because you know I'm short as hell plus they come they're like seven foot six three or three pounds I'm gonna have to come I'm gonna have to come in the stills to make myself look like I matter moonboot it you know be really if I watch like Shaquille and he was like actually like a hardcore Nintendo fan but his alias is like some hardcore troll on the internet right he hates all of us and he's like all right bet I'll be there and there's Jack's there yeah yeah what you gonna do now oh I'll be here I would I would I would probably take a Shaq food beating I'm like I would probably take that no can I have a gaming can I have your autograph and then you can you can push me off of this man you can push me off yeah no no what's gonna happen he's gonna grab you throw you in a dumpster after he beats you up and then he's gonna leave the autograph on your back while you're on con no no no I'll take it I'll take it I'll take it I'll take it before I just have somebody film the whole thing so that people believe it happened I just want the way in Johnston give me the rock bottom I'm good yep yeah yeah yeah there we go we're the people's elbow buddy yep just give me it so I got an idea guys and I'm really curious how you guys feel about this so I I think I agree there's gotta be something Mario it's gotta I think I would even argue it's gotta have Mario in the name but what if it's not anything we're expecting right like we're like oh it can't be a 3D Mario can't be a 2D Mario can't be a paper like maybe it's not a name it's none of that maybe maybe it's something entirely new Mario card game a Mario card game a Mario Domino's game or Mario like a Mario game Mario Party yeah one of those all-in-one games they have like like like like like checkers and like 51 like 51 Mario Uno they have it's called Worldwide Classics they just didn't have Mario on the name Mario themed it's actually really good just put Mario yeah before before Wii Sports came out that was that was our bowling that was out to go bowling it was pretty cool yeah I think yeah I remember one night I was actually in Columbia and I I like I took it out and we were just playing like darts with it like all night yeah but here's my idea a legitimate Mario Bros game so remember the first Mario Bros game oh yeah arcade style it was all about you know cleaning the pipes make a 3D-ish version of that like it's not it's not it's not meant to be a side score it's not meant to be an adventure it's just kind of more of like it's a game built around that concept and it's its own standalone thing it could still look really you know if they make it in 3D it doesn't have to be like a super ambitious thing it wouldn't be like open worlds it would just be like these arenas right and you play as Mario Luigi maybe Peach and Toad or whatever you got four characters or maybe you add in like a few others like Donkey Kong stuff and it's just like this multiplayer game where it's about it's very arcade-esque it's about like clearing out the the arenas it's it's based off that concept of the original Mario Bros and that comes out alongside not maybe not alongside the movie but sometime this year yeah I think that would actually work really well it would be different we're only a month we're only a month in a couple days away from the movie coming out it's crazy oh you know if they were to release any Mario game you know it's not gonna come out with the movie then we we can read that out yeah they're they're they're gonna they're they're Mario marketing is the movie right now and if there's anything Mario's coming out second half for sure I mean with with that commercial that hilarious commercial they did a good job with that you know mixing in that you actually call and talk to the plumbers and everything like you know with Luigi and then you can go to the website and then you can actually get a text message because I sent them a text message and they replied back to me and then they said they were having issues with it like today I got a text message today from Luigi saying that that somebody hacked their lives saying that um something is happening which I guess they're gonna tie it in with the movie which is really cool I text back please please text back stop so that you know so it's it's crazy it's like it's like um they're bringing it to the real world it's a it's a very clever marketing campaign it is it is yeah imagine if a game's built out of that idea like you are running the company for the Mario the Mario Plumbing Company that's what it's about yeah that would be so cool yeah and they'll release it on our mobile phones yeah I probably listen they should do it on Twitter I don't even think it'd be a bad game on a mobile phone it would just I I can't say anything about that all right yeah keep your mouth shut yeah I don't want to get in the front yeah yeah yeah yeah Mike just almost got someone in big trouble that's not the likes links crossbow dream six moving on um so you know like what okay Eric yeah what the heck do you think Nintendo's doing in the second half man I don't know I kind of agree with Mike though that this is kind of a year of of ports and you know we may get one or two you know quote unquote new games in there like maybe I mean it'd be nice to see like a Luigi Mansion 4 I keep going back to that keep wanting that one yeah I just feel like they're gonna hold it but you know what yeah right it'd be it's a it's a good it's a big selling IP no like yeah no for sure I could see that be an IP now you P no yeah yeah I kind of have to P no but maybe that's the Mario related game because yeah Luigi's in the movie it right sorry sorry Mike yeah yeah yeah right for sure um that'd be a good I'd like Luigi you know it'd be I love Luigi Mansion and I I saw in chat I saw in chat kind of like a Mario the second time a Mario Lego game but I love that I would actually I mean they do work like hold on what I'm thinking what I'm thinking of is there's that rumor out there of the Zelda Legos yeah yeah so what if we get like a Zelda Lego game to come out with the release of the Zelda Legos um I mean that'd be awesome you're blowing my mind right now and you need to stop that'd be awesome I love Lego games and it was so so well a game where I get to tear down Hyrule and build it my way right great take what you start smothering off you're just like no no you just throw bricks in bye eat my bocoblin parts yeah right would sell really well it would probably sell I just I'm surprised that they haven't gone there earlier well the only the Lego partnerships knew like they had a partnership with a different company for similar toys right and it never really took off yeah and they finally wise and I think they were trying to avoid working with Lego because Lego has a massive licensing fee involved true and they take a huge chunk of the sales yeah but there's a reason they do because nothing can touch them there's so much bigger than everything else so they could charge premium prices and get away with it so yeah I think now they've been working with Lego now for a few years I think it's probably get to that point where Marvel's gone Lego I mean a lot of the big brands have gone Lego now and it's just it'd be kind of a Mario a Mario Lego game I think is just an obvious thing that's gonna happen yeah eventually whether whether it releases a new set for the for the movie you know you get Mario game Mario Lego game with the set for the new movie or the Zelda game Lego game to come out with the Zelda sets I wasn't even thinking about that but it's so obvious that we're gonna get crossover Lego games like that shut up shut up to chat for that one I can't I really wish I would have caught who said that but that's a really that's a really good idea though because again now that we know that we factually new their partner companies now they work together now that are doing that it just video games they both do video game stuff why won't they have a Mario Lego game why won't they have and like the Lego brand video games are so family friendly so like they don't gotta worry about that they're usually of a certain quality level bare minimum so it's not something that's gonna hurt the brand by releasing a bad game like it makes a lot of sense and I think it would sell extremely well I yeah for sure that that is the one I want to see coming either right right I wasn't before you brought it up and shout out to chat yeah I'm trying to go back through and try to see if I can find it here real quick but we read chat some yeah oh Lego adventures have your Nunez Lego Mario adventures there we go have your Nunez that was and we've had like exclusive Mario games before or Lego games for like Lego was a city undercover or something like that yeah like Lego city undercover yeah yeah yeah that was like an exclusive yeah so I mean that'd be that'd be cool kind of a cool thing kind of those those kind of possible mid-tier games just sprinkled throughout the year but I think I think Mike's got it though with the ports some of them maybe Big Bang or ports but it's going to be ports I just I think it's just leading into next year I believe at the beginning of the year Marchish we're going to get that new system so I would love like Mike brought up like Wind Waker and Twilight Princess as much as I've loved them to come out this year I kind of think because they technically already had HD versions done that the logic Nintendo's holding on is when we bring it back it needs to be more than 1080p we're going to go to 4k with the new system like Nintendo's going to still want to have ports for Zelda on the next system like they sell too well they're going to want to have something to put between Zelda game releases like kind of feel like they're going to hold on to it just because we're getting Breath of the Wild DLC this year as well sorry Cheers to the Kingdom DLC like I I know they didn't announce it yet yeah that's the key part they haven't announced it yet but that would be something they would announce probably closer to launch because they just opened up digital preorders for the game yeah so I kind of feel like they'll announce that later there's a few angles to this right and I've always assumed that it's DLC too like that makes the most sense it could not be but but also you know I part of me actually kind of agrees with Mike that maybe Twilight Prince and Mumiko could come on the second half of the year so it's hard to say what they're going to do I mean that was no DLC because there's just the definitive end at the end of this game right and that's the possibility but there's here's another possibility and I've brought this up before what if what they do since Tease of the Kingdom is coming out for Switch and not Switch 2 and in order to kind of have like some sort of premieres out of the content for Switch 2 they save they stave off the DLC they don't do DLC but it may still be some free updates but they wait maybe about a year year and a half and then they announce an expansion pack but only for the new system but they wait enough time so that way you know it doesn't feel they bundle it back in they sell it for 70 bucks again the whole new game but you get the the glorified expansion and I mean I would personally prefer that it's still available for Switch owners but you know as a selling point for the new system you know who knows yeah but the main main idea would be to use that expansion adventure to to do that right we look like back when Breath of the Wild came out the DLC was honestly like in comparison to how DLC is now handled for most games pretty disappointing like it was good it was enjoyable but like the expectation now for a lot of big big games is to have DLC to actually add a little bit lighter right like like an actual adventure right like a new area so like you look at Zeno Blade that's a great example like Torn of the Golden Country right so like maybe like a like a like a a series of the kingdom 2.5 you know something like that and even like what they're doing with Zeno Blade 3 and knowing that Monolith Soft is now way more entrenched in helping with Zelda now even then back then where the Zelda team had never really done DLC before so I kind of feel like they could get away with the weaker DLC the first goal around because they didn't really know what they were doing yeah now they've had six years and and all this time to really map it out if they want to get those sales you know what's funny about this Nate so you know earlier you got me upset because you're saying they'll give us Prime 1 through 3 on the Switch but Prime 4 will be exclusive to Switch 2 well now I'm saying that they'll give us they'll give us our Tears of the Kingdom they'll give us Twilight Princess of Moonway Creation this year but the next year they'll have a Tears of the Kingdom expansion that'll be switched to exclusive but I'm not even but I'm not upset about that the thing is that we neither of you should be upset because even if they do that Ande will still buy the the other because here's the thing if they even release the game 100% if they even release the game and it's 60 FPS and 4k upscaling on the next system I'm buying it again anyways so sure give me some extra content with it let's go so it would be the way I will explain why I would be upset right but you know I'm probably alone at this but I think the reason the reason why I think that this is the poor ear and it doesn't matter what they released does Emily Roger said it was no she did she did say we're getting a bunch of GameCube parts and that's all the generation I mean listen she said it like primary master that aren't here primary master to leave her give me that Luigi's mansion give me that a zero Star Fox adventures let's go bring them all back the reason why I say it doesn't matter is because I feel at least in my heart I feel like that when I get my brand new box next-gen console Nintendo console I could set it up log in go to the eShop and download the games that I already own they better do that they better do that I have to Nintendo's never done it and if they don't do it this time I want to play primary master in 4k yeah that's why they have backwards got an ability they just never had that whole digital thing where you can just go get all your digital games right away like everyone else does now if they don't do that I will be mad yeah I mean so that's why learn Nintendo pay attention to what everyone else is doing please everyone is everyone is doing it and that's why I feel like they can release they guess that would be why Nintendo won't do it I don't think I mean look how long it took them to charge for online play everyone was doing it for a long time and that's a good thing yeah I don't think they got like a pigment a pigment forward deluxe like like that they would they we still don't have local voice as funny thing is they actually dabbled in local voice chat before which is weird let's see if they went backwards okay oh you don't be really cool Javier Nunez I love what what they said Javier Nunez said Bancaidos Starfox Assault adventures like that's all great but Starfox Assault like imagine if they remastered Starfox Assault and gave it online play yeah that would be nice that would be great that that's really what it was missing back then yeah that's really what I needed it was coming in it's good it just didn't happen it was too it was too new yeah Javier's coming in with the bangers here yeah yeah mine mine cables we obviously know we are getting out here's the thing they did announce a bunch of GameCube remasters and there could just be more common yeah is is Bancaidos though a Nintendo published title and that I'm unsure of oh let me look up I know they didn't make it but I don't know if they published it because the thing is Monolithsoft did develop it so is Monolithsoft even at all in response what are they doing uh publisher was Namco originally okay yeah I mean because that's when back then that they owned a Monolithsoft when they developed the game yeah I know so it might be it might it might be is bait and cancel is bait and Kylo it's not Byton it's bait I'm pretty I'm pretty sure this one's byton but I I've that's all the only way I've ever heard it pronounce I'm probably in the direct but I can't remember often yeah yeah buying Kylo I don't know I don't Kylo so I was thinking about it in my head because by yeah oh because I don't know if Nintendo bought the rights to the game I do I do think that Nintendo's probably involved with publishing the game they're probably publishing it and maybe they might tell us okay yeah give a look at maybe maybe they'll say publisher Bandai Namco entertainment is not a part of publishing okay it doesn't say who's developing it who's working on it what would they say that because they don't I don't know I use sometimes it sometimes they don't say that till the game comes out that's kind of the problem yeah like we didn't know about them I'm curious a monolith we technically didn't even know Retro Studios was making the remaster until we saw the credits so right yeah we weren't 100% for sure yeah yeah yeah yeah so but the fact that Nintendo's not publishing it I think that says something well I mean they don't own the rights that's what it says right well I guess what I'm getting at here is that I I think part of the rumor was suggesting that monolith south was helping out with it and they might monolith well I guess the the weird part of that is that technically monolith south is a part of Nintendo like they are 100% Nintendo so a Nintendo studio helping out with a non a Nintendo project I'm I'm not well I mean well I guess we'll see when the credits come out but I mean the game's never barely been on any other platform and it's still this one's still not announced for any other platform so I kind of think if that's the case and and and monolith was the one you know that originally did it so then they have then they're the ones doing the the remaster of it it could just be one of those hey we have an agreement just like we did for Monster Hunter just like we did for other things this is just an agreement we have like we're gonna help out where we can sure and that and and we get a 50-50 revenue split like no yeah do we have information on revenue splits at all like do we know like how much Nintendo made for Monster Hunter Rise for example we don't know on their partner games we we do know obviously on games in general it's 30% of any game oh yeah but we don't know what partner games are if they're better deals or if they're worse deals because like usually partner games involves Nintendo helping pay for a game to be made so there could be a bigger cut that goes to Nintendo right as they're the one paying the most of the bill and in my soft helped out that's literally yeah yeah yeah so that's why I'm like it could be 50 50 could be 60 40 Nintendo but if that's one of those things that that it's contract detail so that stuff never really gets out yeah they're not talking about that stuff at investors meetings yeah yeah the third the third the 30% is a known thing like that's that's literally industry standard everyone charges and so we're talking about bond kitos do we think this counts as a Nintendo action game I want to say no but I'm biased because I want it to be kidding Chris uprising I mean it's John is role playing oh for that actually of the 3D yeah I mean I hope I wouldn't do but it's it's it's it's usually I'm pretty sure it's defined as an RPG yeah so I mean I mean I'm a card based battle system RPG yeah this I mean I don't think I don't think action pretty much any game ever right so putting a haul Lucy want to be with 3D action like like even on I don't like Wikipedia is a be all end all but it's called a role playing game on on Wikipedia on Nintendo's website it's called a role playing game and I would say that's probably the problem not considering it like an action game it's probably more considered to be an RPG so we still we still on the kitty Chris done bandwagon then yeah everybody is ever since Sakurai threw it out there I mean Sakurai looked right at the camera he told me I mean he's either hinting you know he was either hinting it or he was saying telling them to bake it you're doing this like right one of the two I look I mean whether you want me to or not you see what I did to smash you can do what I want for once I made a smash when I didn't want to yeah you I you make what I want it's possible I don't need to be involved I already made it just right bring it in HD do it right of course that you might want to be involved because you gotta you gotta change the control scheme up and then you want to be like no no no no you don't mess with my controls unless I mess with the controls so then he's just already working on it it kind of already been done it could be one of those he's hinting at it because it's one of those games that Nintendo sitting on yeah like like they were Metroid Prime and he's just like I don't know when this thing is coming out so I'm putting pressure by it basically saying it exists and out the universe and you should release it you know what's out to the universe Nintendo may use this to kind of feel like if you're right and this is a deal which you know it makes sense because monoliths often should develop and they may help out they might be like and then of course not a company Nintendo hasn't worked with before right like they worked over the years absolutely I mean they're great partners I mean they mean yeah man man and them and Capcom them and Capcom oh yeah well come on snap yeah and then and then Nintendo are very good partners yeah as is Capcom as is pretty much all the Japanese even even the initial that's right Prime Force apparently you know but those can but you know yeah we don't actually know it was there's a lot of but we'll never actually probably a lot we'll probably never have it confirmed unless a former employee leaves the company and finally spills the beans Bandai Knuckles made the best Pokemon spinoffs Pokemon snap Pokemon like they're they're crazy they're good yeah yeah anyway I mean Detective Pikachu is pretty good too to be honest was that made by Bandai Namco as well I don't know who made Detective Pikachu I'm not sure but it was that's one of my favorite spinoffs I mean I didn't play it but I like the movie and the movie was based off the story of the game and the game's the game's really good maybe number two finally comes out this year too that might come out this year yeah that's been announced yeah you know I'm really worried you got canned and they're just not saying anything but it was announced back in 2019 we have a Pokemon event coming up next week right yeah yeah yeah if anywhere that should be if there's a time it should be it was made it was made by creatures Detective Pikachu okay yeah I mean typically they're usually within two weeks of the of the February direct so yeah it was made by creatures so probably creatures are game freak yeah they don't have that full lead leak obviously I don't think they hired Bandai Namco to make it no it's not game freak either so it could have been a creature no I mean it could be creatures creatures usually doesn't do a lot of like full games they're usually a lot of the asset yeah but they make games but they do make games they do make games so like they could be behind who knows they apparently they mother yeah like if you look at the yeah yeah they have the old I'm trying to look at anything they've done recently the most recent I mean they have credits on everything that's a the thing is they don't they're not necessarily the main developer for a lot of these projects yeah yeah yeah the last one Detective Pikachu 2018 and before that was the great Detective Pikachu birth of the new new so Detective Pikachu and then the Polka Dex for iOS yeah I'm so basically Detective Pikachu Detective Pikachu and then some side apps yeah I'm going to say that they They probably they were the main developer detective Pikachu because I see no one else for it. Yeah. Yeah Poke a park on we as well, you know, you know what what game I would love to see now ban that I'm covering to switch At least a remastered version the Zeno Zaga episode one two and three. Oh Yeah, cuz those there's a lot of people there's like there's like supposedly a very subtle connection between them and Zeno Yeah, yeah, I was always wondered about that franchise like what's gonna happen to it. I mean, yeah, I played it on ps2 My monoliths office such a great Library of games that you just don't some of them are just in limbo because it yeah Nintendo bought them they didn't get the IP rights in those games. So yeah, it's so crazy cuz I don't think people realize just You see And you wonder Well, if I'm Kato's coming back you have to start wondering about monolith fire back library Well, it became it seems more feasible, right? No Model is soft used to be the other half to square soft which we move is now square enix So hence the soft name you go back to the 90s and before like a lot of those huge RPGs off bangers Monolith right after that. Yeah off these. Hmm. Yeah, they have credits and a lot of Final Fantasy games back then Yeah, dude. Yeah, they there's a reason like people get surprised. Oh monosal became this really big deal They've always been a big deal and it was very shocking to me They let that studio go to Nintendo that then they allowed Nintendo to I'm I'm shocked They let Nintendo buy them But then again square one square units when I hadn't sold off everything so add that in hindsight It's not really shocking because they've sold off everything that isn't making Final Fantasy basically, but I just hope that with monosoft Next IP which by the way if that that rumor new IP if it's coming it's coming from the next system I hope it finally becomes mainstream because I think monosoft deserves to have like a mainstream IP I mean, I would love it for xenoblade to become that but if it has to be something else, you know Yeah, I'm worried that whatever that new IP was that they're working on is gonna be niche again By the way, even if it is it's gonna probably amazing I mean on their track record, but it's also like you guys are so good. You deserve something That's amazing and mainstream. I've been kind of holding off in a video about it But maybe they're making there. Maybe they're making their souls style game Looks like it maybe the only studio from Nintendo, I would even trust to attempt Okay, there's two ways they could branch they they could be successful one they create a platform with it With with a unique character that looks good or they can create a world Legend of Zelda type world Fantasy world that people came in MMO You know Medieval fantasy world like Zelda I thought you were gonna go I thought you're gonna go they team up with Universal and create a brand new IP as a movie That's what I thought you were going for a moment. I was like, that's how I get successful. No, they are right. Yeah, no No, no, no, that was I it was a good point with much right. I think Obviously Nintendo has a history of creating iconic characters with new IPs and those characters stick around and helps the IP grow It's interesting coming up with unique content Obviously like the most recent example of the Splatoon and the way that franchise blew up arms I feel like could have been a franchise why we haven't had an arms too Maybe they're just wait. Maybe it's a once-per-generation game like Smash is So maybe we are still gonna get an arms too because I I'm sorry I know that people like why would we get another arms game? Hey two point five million and sales might not sound like a lot in context to all these other games Go look at what like Mortal Kombat and and all these other fighting games are doing. They don't sell big numbers Smash is not the bar you measure fighting games at it is that that is a otherworldly Yeah, it's actually the best-selling fighting game of all time. That's not even close. It's not even close I was actually shocked when I heard that Smash also was the best fighting game of all times I really that's amazing and in part. Yes, Mash will have been sold amazing Well, but it's also because smash fighting games to your point. They don't sell that well Yeah, fighting games are not a very popular So that's why I'm like 2.5 million. It's really good for a new IP fighting game Dude, you got to follow that up. You can crack three mil with the next one, but maybe but also see On a new launch your switch a thing may have helped it though Switches boosted sales of a lot of things, but I do think that like if they released it at the right time You know in its own little window where there was nothing else coming out for a couple months Okay, but they're right. They try to make it there But their next platoon and I thought that was really cool. I wanted to do more of that I want more on I first off even a code name team back on 3ds Like they went through that phase where they were actually for a few years Kind of trying to push some new IPs. Yeah, well, too is the one that stuck but still yeah I mean, I think don't you do both right like you create your your Zelda's your Metroid Prime 2 3 Mars But have your spiltunes your arms try out something new. I have a healthy balance of both. You can't do any of the arms I'm so weak. I don't feel pretty good with their legs. So maybe maybe that'll be the sequel There's that there's that I'm interested in here that I'm fandom calm they have a Listening for arms they say arms to is an upcoming third-party expendable fighting video game developed by Nintendo studio and Studio Lily was a lily for the Nintendo sg go releasing globally in summer of 2023 it is a second title in the arm series and the first to be released for the DS go What Now like an AI whatever There's a beta version of Bing that does it what's the DS go DS go to release on the DS go I'm thinking this might be the cells made up somebody asked AI to write them What would happen in 2023 if Nintendo stuck with the DS lineup of consoles? Something weird Has like a whole page on oh you're tell you are you talking the fantando Nintendo oh the fantando thing. Um, all right. I think it's gonna wrap up our pockets. Actually, I just realized Oh, wait, I got Mike what are you guys going on and where can they find you? well, um, I Have a lot going on a Lot I'll see you later Mike Odyssey YouTube. Thank you. You guys can find me Mike Odyssey on YouTube Of course, we got daily videos there Gotta apologize to everybody. My my daily videos are not at their Normal top quality just because we're going through something family-wide right here my father-in-law You guys, you know, I have stage 4 cancer He's been going under chemo for the past two years. We feel like it's the end, you know, it's it's it's there So right now we're basically on call Transitioning kind of going we're traveling about an hour and a half way and back You know just so basically we've been distracted with that and trying to get videos at the same time Make sure I don't lose almost a day. I don't miss a day Maybe I'll get a video out with one story or two stories, but I'll always get a video out But that's what's happening in the background Because of that I had to postpone the podcast coming out And other things you guys already know I had surgery, you know that happened also So yeah, I guess it had a lot a lot was going on But you know, there's there's things going on that are kind of keeping me kind of You know a lot of it a lot of things are on hold the eight on the 18th I had the livestream for the 20,000 giveaway guess where to wear 25 now 24 Soren Mike you're soaring I had I had to I had to cancel out just because on that day We're gonna be gonna be with my father-in-law this Saturday, but I will I Promise I'm gonna go ahead and schedule that live stream. I may get up to everybody Make sure if I get a couple prices. I already talked to some of today They're gonna give me some copies of a spot a new spawn Bob video game is coming out soon And we'll get some codes out there for you guys besides the switch Nintendo switch I do got the 30k the 30k switch also going on the live the These the square a milestone for the 30k By the time you get that shrimp going it's just gonna be 20 and 30 together. Yeah. Yeah But yeah, man, that's that's what that's what's been going on. I'm just trying to you know hustle and It's kind of sad as all this has been going on because I took a leave of absence from work for the for the first time ever I've been off work for two weeks and I feel jittery I can't I don't I can't get used to it because I'm about I've worked every day of my life since I was 12 years old Literally my first job newspaper Newspaper boy with my bicycle at four o'clock in the morning just throwing on newspapers Did you break down windows ever? Needs to come back. I didn't bring you remaster. It was fun breaking a few windows Like you could run away. Yeah But this is the first time actually I'm off work just because of my eyesight too, you know my I'm already got 50% on my own one will be one good 50% that's it. So basically I could I could barely see the screen you guys. I don't know I don't know who in pocket right now some You know stranger danger Mike stranger. Yeah, I'm off work taking leave of absence until I can get My eyesight back to where I needed and then you know all that's other stuff happening. So but yeah, you can ask me on Twitter and You My policy whitey and that Instagram Instagram Mike watercy whitey as well And if you and if you DM me on Twitter or Instagram, you can actually get me faster and then of course on this course nice Sun bro nation what you got going on and where could they find you yep? Well first of all shoutouts Mike I know family stuff like that can weigh on you know trying to work on passion projects Best luck to you brother. I know you'll pull through I so I got six videos a week dropping pretty consistently on summer nation It's on everything. So if you want to follow me on Twitter, that's the most the platform that I'm most active on other than YouTube but otherwise it's a lot easier to reach me on there if you want to tag me reach out to me and stuff like that but Six Nintendo focus news videos per week the weekend video either goes up on Saturday or Sunday And it's sometimes more topical depending on what's happening But nothing major other than that in the pipeline gonna try to do live streaming more had a ton of fun live streaming the most recent Nintendo Direct and I would like to get into some kind of cadence of live streaming as soon as my schedule will allow it So that's kind of a down-the-line project But everything else summer nation and all the social media out there So look forward to hopefully hopefully seeing you guys come by. Oh, no, but I love you love Facebook Well, I got a face I got everything, but it's just I'm mainly active on Twitter besides YouTube But you say you love Facebook is your passion your passion social media was like no not at all Her summer vision was joining Facebook gaming Hey, if they drop a check that's big enough. Well, no, no, I wouldn't I wouldn't leave you to Facebook gaming is I don't know if that's ever gonna Oh, yeah, I'm surprised it's still around to be honest. Yeah, me too. I'm just restart. We got going on bud. Where can they find you? Yeah, well, so what's not going on? restart Okay restart right here we go So another Valentine's Day is past and I'm still single and apparently I have terrible hair So, you know bigger than that one out, but uh, that I told you see I wasn't the only one, right? Listen, I don't think people say it's terrible is long I was trying to be honest to help you out for future knowledge of haircuts You're wearing a hat you're wearing a beanie You guys are wearing your headsets. Listen, man. What I got to start doing is just like wearing a hat like this This is on just restart I have goop I put in my hair. I just didn't do it today. So I don't know Yeah, I don't I honestly don't care There you go. Yeah, he finds someone who loves you for you. Not your hair. Listen, we already got we already got red hair Okay, you need blue hair. I like my black hair I like how black and messy and curly Yeah, I like my hair. Okay, I go for the messy. Look. It's what I do. It's just it's what I do It's what I am. I'm great. You are you are who you are. You should be proud of it. Yeah That said single address. Yeah, so I've been doing discussions check out his live streams. Ladies. He's single apparently So, yeah, I've been since I've been single for a while Yeah, but I am single anyway Joking aside, I've been doing discussions on different people's channels You know, I did one about Metroid on Lunatunes this past week And I did one with Joey on game explain came out today as well. It's pretty cool and I put on my own Metroid video Today, which you know, I'm talked about, you know, some teasers for Metroid Prime 4 in primary mastered And I will eventually get to Xenoblade and Pikmin as I have promised They will come out later this week and there will be more Zelda. So stay tuned. I'll just restart You'll find me on YouTube Restart We can stop right there and you can find them on tinder If you're in the Florida area, but he had it see he had it And he might decide one day's lonely he'll log on check his message Matt's calm Hey, you're the one that brought it out. I wasn't gonna say anything. You're right. I brought I brought it to I brought I brought it upon myself. Yeah, it's okay. By the way, it's totally fine to be single Eric over here singles well ladies if you're in the Wisconsin area You could find it I have no idea if he's on any dating websites, I don't talk about dating websites I haven't been on dating websites in a long time. So I'm right Even the one that people use anymore must be nice being made each having a wife, I Mean, yes, but it's it's a challenge sometimes That's a blessing. It's beautiful to have somebody it's awesome to have to know you always have someone at the end of the day And then shout out to some bro getting married soon. You gotta invite all My wedding invite in the mail bud Hold up your phone and the six back and be like on your phone like they're like I'll send you guys an invite it would be nice if it works, maybe we can make it happen to be three we'll do something crazy there No, that's gonna be another year out at least but it takes time to put that something together You guys obviously know I'm I'm Nintendo Prime. This is my show. So if you don't know who I am I don't know how you found me But if you did happen to find this stuff over on audio version podcast We do us to people who only listen to our podcast of the audio version. I'm a youtuber I make daily content Lots of news lots of discussions I have you know four live streams a week including the podcast you ever want to know what I look like we have the video podcast every Single Wednesday at 8 p.m. I'm the Nintendo Prime YouTube channel just type Nintendo Prime to Google I'm the first thing that pops up for now until Nintendo decides to use Prime and like a Nintendo Prime branded way Which would make me excited at first because everyone would search for they want and they'd find me But then also like a week later I won't be in any of the search results anymore because it'll all be It'll be a really nice first day where everyone thinks I work for Nintendo that being said I do a lot of content It's mostly news-based, but I do other things as well Will be massive He has an only fans Only for fans Yeah, and you know three three the fans that I three only fans also just a reminder and I'm gonna put this in Actually, I was gonna say for HMK left We now have some of my podcast shirts And I was actually let you guys all know on the show that I was gonna send you guys a shirt So just taught me my own scenes to get sizes and colors and and all that we I just launched those today Obviously, I'm gonna be offering anybody who ever guests on our show a free shirt if they would like so on that note We should have Six pack custom shirts with we should we should have a six pack custom shirt just for the OG's Just for the OG's the OG six pack shirts I definitely agree with that Mike well at the top behind the scenes and you get some design ideas Figure it out But if you guys would like it is have a friend shirt or even a potential limited edition six pack shirt Stay tuned we do have a link in the pin comment right now for the live viewers If you want to go check out the the standard prime pocket shirt, but we'll we'll see we'll see with the six pack Sure, we'll work that out. All right guys Thing one what the one thing I got my quality that calm tears of the kingdom t-shirt Custom custom tears of the kingdom edition t-shirts. They're pretty badass. I got about I might actually order one Instead of being five bucks 25 bucks 30 bucks. They're only $14. That's holy cow. Yeah value hot dang Yeah, you got them down. You got them down. Yeah bucks great quality. I already have a Couple people who send me pictures of them when they became they did tell me that they feel amazing. So Yeah, man, my cottage calm the merch, but if you want the best quality shirts go to into the aim.com Hey, by the way, those are premium shirts and they cost a lot more than 14 bucks because they're Everything but yeah, these shirts are awesome. I'm fine. I actually have one in the cart right now of Mike's shirt Because I'm Zelda maybe he hooked me. He hooked me with Zelda. I Need my tears of the kingdom merch. No Pokemon coming soon. I already I'm designing a Pokemon one like a custom Pokemon Oh, you know, he's launching that with the Pokemon event next week. Yeah. Yeah, first. I won't get me arrested, you know, just Careful Pokemon companies very custom custom tear down everything Is not it might be that I Want to get like a star star Fox jacket for Ruby and she can be Starcat By the way, anyone who likes my hypersponsibly shirts speaking of merch You might want to buy them soon because they're gonna be taken down and they will never come back again. Yeah, that's true I ripped them off. I'm done hyping responsibly. So we're no longer going to be selling hyping responsibly boy. Oh By the way On that note, I have a t-shirt called Direct the hype is real Let's just keep the marketing going. Yeah, I love the chat right now They're coming with a whole bunch of great like shirt designs cause of the wild Chronicles Launch here in a couple of weeks Wait to get some samples in before I decide this I'm just saying Tenor Prime Pac has zip hoodie coming in. You might go where's my Nintendo Prime when you look look, okay? I'm not I'm not a graphic designer I just happen to have a really cool looking podcast logo that makes really good merch my actual logo for my channel is just a red Bomb and it just doesn't look good on shirts. I'm just being honest, okay? I might hire someone actually I put that earlier today that I might hire someone to make some Custom designs, but the podcast will go sick. May I just hire Mike? He does such a good job with designs. I should say Mike. Here's a hundred bucks. Make me some cool stuff Then you'd be like, but I need my ideas for me Everybody who needs to sign ideas out here I'll share I know you're really good Like weren't you the one that helped that redesign that Andres resource channel looks so sick right now Yeah, man. That was a sick I'm sorry. It's like it's an amazing redesign. I love it. I Was probably I promise not to say anything so I'm not saying anything Well, it's out there now I wasn't made to promise Mike's a nice guy. He helps people out. It's a real it's it's called a facelift Yes, a face. Yeah. Now. He's gonna give me a hair lift Ever since he got a facelift the views have been coming in too with that facelift, right? Yeah, hey 14,000 subscribers. Yeah That was my fastest thousand yet I Keep it rolling. Yeah, I would be very very nice, but we'll do it. I would be very nice Normal English anymore anyways Yeah, no, no, I something tangentially Gaming-related we do have to have a moment of silence for Internet Explorer. It is now officially dead I thought it was already there. No, no, that was that was end of support. It is officially a Disabled through updates yesterday Well, you know, they were they released the version of Bing and the AI decided it's time to kill it It is the end of an era. Yeah People type in what is Internet Explorer and it said it doesn't exist So Well resting piece. Yeah, right Internet Explorer. You served me well the one time I used you back in the 90s to download Exactly Pretty good It's based on Chrome I still like Safari the best and that I say that as someone who hasn't actively been using Safari that much I hated when Apple killed Safari for Windows because to me it was my favorite browser, man. Yeah, I still got it Oh Go over all of the computers you have in your house. I only got two yeah Nevermind. We're not gonna get into it. I'm not gonna get into it. Mr. Apple employee We know Apple employee has Apple products. You know what? I can't even talk I just switched to a 14 pro max and I have a max studio coming in like I'm up So I'm basically going all well. Nope. I will still have my windows laptop. Yep I'm not completely leaving the desktop space. I need to be able to game. Hey, I am in the I am for a PC game gaming PC. I am good. I'm looking for one because I need one, you know Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just the reality PC gaming isn't just isn't that great on Mac It's just the way it is. Yeah, I just bought a game better with certain games But it's very very specific games and RAM And other things that I do not know what to set up and by the way Remember guys are releasing an update for the switch dock next week so you can download more RAM This is the time of my podcast. Have a good day everyone later. Never give up