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I'm gonna start recording in three two Joe Spencer has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Joe become a DTS member right now at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday April 17th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feelin I'm Sarah Lane and Salt Lake City. I'm Scott Johnson and From the LA County area and not a pork connoisseur. I'm the show's producer Roger More and why Roger is referencing poor We are gonna talk a little bit more about Qualcomm and Apple and how Intel got pulled in and affected by their patent dispute and Subsequent patent piece. Let's start with a few tech things. You should know At the request of a court in the state of Tamil Nadu in India The Indian federal government sent a letter requesting that Apple and Google both removed the tick-tock app from their app stores The court determined that tick-tock encouraged pornography Tick-tock is no longer available in either Google or Apple stores in India as of Wednesday Neither company commented on the removals But a spokesperson for tick-tock said that the matter was still in the courts and was still optimistic about the outcome The next hearing on the matter is scheduled for April 24th Multiple companies around the world have pledged to donate funds to repair Notre-Dame after the devastating fire that destroyed its 19th century spire damaged much of the roof among other things Disney Apple dating service, but do and Ubisoft are among them Paris based Ubisoft in particular Is donating because it's from Paris and included a model of Notre-Dame in its assassins creed unity game Not only that just quick side note They are giving away today only if you are have origin on your P not origin you play on your PC You can go get a copy of assassin's creed unity as a gift to players who want to remember The the the thing happening. So that's kind of cool Reuters has three sources who say Apple has talked with at least three Excuse me for companies about supplying next generation LiDAR sensors used in autonomous cars Apple is reportedly seeking chapter sensors that Excuse me cheaper sensors that are easy to mass produce Apple likes mass producing things Apple self-driving car Efforts are supposedly called project Titan didn't go well at Blizzard. We'll see how it does there and has supposedly been developing its own LiDAR system The interest in the sensor implies that Apple is developing more than just software Waymo makes what is called the perception Stack which is then installed in cars from auto manufacturers. They may also want or it may be what apples development developing as well 9-5 Mac reports that its sources say Apple's working on an app codenamed green torch to replace the find my friends and find my iPhone apps It would add a feature called find network which supposedly Contract the device even if it's not connected to cellular or Wi-Fi It would also work with Apple made tags to be able to track non-Apple things the combined app would be available on iOS and Mac OS as well Let's talk a little bit more about Netflix. They had their earnings report yesterday. Scott. They did well Netflix added a record 9.6 million subscribers in quarter one with 1.7 million in the US and 7.68 million international That is 16% over last year Netflix project projected It would add 5 million subscribers in quarter two Which would be down 8% over last year Netflix revenue was up 22% Over last year and it's 76% or sorry 76 cents per share earnings that were well ahead of the expected 57% or 57 cents. Well, I can really talk today. Netflix also announced in the UK It will test showing viewers top 10 lists of most popular content by category Chief content officer Ted Sarandos says Netflix plans to share more granular data on viewing with producers and customers So, yeah, Netflix did really well this quarter Netflix expects to Dip a little next quarter, especially with all the price rises. They're doing and Netflix is gonna start telling you a Little bit more about what's popular. I'm surprised by that last one I thought Netflix would just go on saying, you know what? Maybe occasionally and we'll tell the producers some viewing numbers under NDA But nobody needs to know what they are and it sounds like they're starting to say, you know People tend to watch what other people think is popular and we need to lean into that If you don't know what the popular kids are watching some people won't watch as much content and Netflix's whole deal Is getting you to watch more Netflix the SEO of Netflix apps Everybody I'll tell them a little surprise that they are just real or maybe they're not just realizing this But it feels like they are that's that's data. I love to hear about I love to find You don't have to tell me exactly how many people are watching But if you come to me and say 56% of the people on on Netflix as a whole love zombie movies I like that data because a it helps explain why there's so much of it and Why Netflix is you know putting more in all the time in that category? But maybe I want to watch more of it and I'd like to hear what other people are watching and I think that stuff's Genuinely motivating for somebody who's looking for something to binge through I love that stuff, you know, sometimes I'm just I get down a rabbit hole of content It's like if you like this show you might like this other show you've never heard of Sometimes I don't often I do if I was a producer of content Then that that information would be extremely helpful to me You encourage the water cooler talk to to say like let's show people the top 10 sci-fi movies So that they're more likely to watch the one that's number one like who everybody likes that one I guess I'll watch that one It makes the decision easier and suddenly you're talking to more people about it because you know more people out there Watched it because it's at the top of the list I don't know. It's an interesting move from them Microsoft launched its Xbox one s all digital edition for pre-orders Tuesday It begins shipping May 7th for $250 the new version of the Xbox one it comes with Forza Horizon 3 Sea of Thieves and Minecraft for free pre-installed. It does not have an optical drive though They're pre-installed and all your stuff has to be downloaded Microsoft also announced the new Xbox game pass ultimate subscription for $15 a month that combines Xbox live and Xbox game pass into one offering and Microsoft also said that brick-and-mortar game retailers will be encouraged to sell download codes Alongside optical discs Since Microsoft found the teenagers three times more likely to buy in a store than online So how is that true? It's weird data points where they're like more people are downloading stuff So we want to make a box that doesn't have downloading We also want to make that cheaper because we don't have to include an optical drive Although you can argue about whether you really think it's that much cheaper or not But they also know that they sell a lot to teens and teens Maybe because their parents don't let them use credit cards online or are weird about shopping online often buy in person because they can use cash I have a distinct express experience with this so They really don't like To be avid game fans even if they're working full-time talking about like a 16 to 18 year old kid If they're working full-time and they're making their own expendable money They can't stand being limited by You and and your control mean you the parent and your control over the internet your control over the box It's under the TV or the services at which you're trying to access So would they prefer the ease of use that I find in digital only sort of Video game consumption Absolutely, they would and they would do it in a heartbeat and you know PC gamers are probably doing that But when they have to go check with dad every time they need a credit card approval Or every time they're like is it okay if I do this? I'll then mow the difference to you. It starts to become a process They don't want to deal with they'd rather hop in their crappy car Meet with their friends at the mall and go to the game stop and have some fun in there and laugh and pick up a disc for cheap Like I really think that that date is real and I'm not surprised and that was sort of where my mind went Sort of like oh, okay So I guess the mall situation is still really working for a company like Microsoft But it's a little bit more about Getting away from your parents, which is you know the age-old situation. Yeah, I just don't want to have you so you just don't like being tied to This isn't mine. It's my dad's and every time you need to do anything meaningful You got to get permission even if you don't it just still feels At least that's been my experience with my own kids and I totally get why that they want that kind of Autonomy they want it with phones. They want it with their entertainment. They want it with their video They want it with everything. I think there's some hope for brick-and-mortar here I think there's there's it's another example We're seeing little examples like the rise of vinyl coming back the fact that young kids often like Books in print versus ebooks or audiobooks and the idea that teens want to shop in person I mean, maybe not each individual niche of that can survive But combo stores that provide that sort of safe haven and hangout place where you can do all that sort of stuff In person feels like feels like there's something there for the barns and nobles and game stops of the world to lean into Yeah, and I totally forgot to address this but real quick That is an interesting aspect of this that nobody's really thought of and I think I think Microsoft's trying to get ahead of it I get it but also as a general trend. I think this is the right direction. This is late in a cycle I don't know this is gonna decide for anybody whether they get an Xbox or this late in the game or not but a digital only Box that's a little bit cheaper has some nice pack-ins We talked earlier in the morning show that I wished it was 200 not 250, but that's more of a psychological block I think that there's a market for this and I also think that there is a market moving forward with new boxes Whatever the next box is whatever PlayStation 5 is that they may opt do not have optical drives and go digital for a Lot of their base because I would certainly do that like an harpy I think this is the test to see how that works with their audience. Yeah Well, that's not all our Microsoft news for the day Microsoft also unveiled the surface hub 2s The new version of the interactive whiteboard the surface hub 2s is 60% slimmer and 40% lighter than the 2015 model You might remember you can even add a mobile battery to it So you can wheel it around on a stand designed by steel case the 50 inch display has 3840 by 2560 resolution That's very big it runs on an 8th gen and tour Intel core i5 with eight gigs of bytes of RAM 120 gigabytes of storage and Intel UHD graphics 620 the surface hub to ships in June For $9,000. Yeah, it's a business thing. You're not gonna buy this for your house unless you're very rich I know and everyone kind of laughed at me before the show because I was like who's gonna buy this lots of lots of You know folks in in the business sector be like this is perfect for us Yeah, I mean a lot of companies are gonna be like I made $9,000 for that But some corporation that wants to impress people or show how cutting-edge it is or or just sees this is like a super helpful Productivity ad might say yeah $9,000 totally worth it capital expense. We can amortize it deduct it from our taxes not a problem But it does imply to me that the surface hub is getting some uptake if they're continuing to develop it, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, this strikes me as a Growth area in the areas where where Microsoft seems to be finding the most successfully which is kind of corporate space and I could see every Gosh, there's a there's a big industrial park near us or office park where there's just everybody's got an office in there from Intel all the way down to some game developers and all of them are gonna have something like this in there I guarantee it because when you can get a room full of people and you're not relying on you know an aging projector or Other sort of whiteboard crappy ways of doing things and you want to save all of that Like there's a lot of benefits to this that probably pay for itself over time So to me if you're if you're a company that does that kind of business. This is probably a no-brainer I'd love to know if it runs like straight up the windows. I didn't read the actual article But I would love if it's just like if I can click around and use it like like that sort of just making your dear your Workstation But I think that's the same reason I like giant You need to make the service hub available for the rest of the conference room I'd like to imagine it being in my little home office. It's like where would it go probably in front of the entire window Whatever you want People out as to what's happening in there. I mean I actually I mean the nine thousand dollars You know, I'd like to laugh because I'm just like nine thousand dollars. That's so much money even if you're a business But yeah, like like you mentioned in 2015. We got a service hub clearly well, maybe not clearly but Assumed that the company would have probably abandoned this effort if they weren't selling enough models And so the fact that it's still going strong is Reason enough to believe that there are enough companies who who want their interactive whiteboard and this is the 2s We're gonna get the service hub to later this year apparently there you go The UK's mandatory age verification requirement will come into force July 15th two days before my birthday So that's how I'm celebrating it Sites whose content is more than one-third of pornographic In charge to access it will have to verify that UK visitors are 18 years old or older Sites who failed to comply will be blocked in the UK. What if the one-thirds really hardcore though I got questions about this. Anyway, the British Board of Film Classification will regulate the law among the acceptable forms of verification Are one called age ID? This is from Mind Geek, which requires users to submit a driver's license or passport News agents will also sell age verification cards with a code to use online But seriously one third pornographic. What if that what if that third Tom is like the worst most hardest core porn? According to this law, then you don't have to verify ages Okay, so it's like I you know, I I can think of some domains where I'm like, yeah pornographic content I know I know what that would be don't want to give my driver's license if I were in the UK And I was you know within these parameters away. Are you kidding me? No, but what about the sites that are two-thirds not pornographic? What what do you mean? I mean, I mean if you have a variety of content and A third or more of it is pornographic Well, that means still the large majority of it is not so you don't The sites that have more than a third pornographic but less than 50% so the majority of their content is not I mean basically what you're saying is look if you've got that much on there You need to verify age because we don't want 18 year old seeing it and if you have less than a third I guess it's okay for 18 year olds to try to figure out Right, it's like there. I mean there are so many there's Portographic things I don't know why Part of this what about the fact that every teenager is going to easily figure out how to get around this And every adult is going to be I don't want to deal with this. No, I'm not sending my driver's license like Sarah said I mean, it's it's going to be enforced on the wrong people is my guess well, that's why I agree 100% with you and that's why I'm hung up on it because It's so arbitrary and silly and non you can't blanket this stuff it's you either got to go in micro or you got a macro and The internet's really hard to micro you can't go in and go well, whatever. This is an argument with the entire Legislation system happening in Europe and I can't ever have that argument with them but it just feels crazy to To to to have it both ways because you either got to get all in there and then minutiae or you have to look at it Broadly and you can't do these half measures Plus kids are just gonna get around it. So I'll be honest I don't care if it's half a third a quarter It doesn't change my opinion on this law at all like that's the least interesting part of it to me To me it's all about the fact that you're trying to block people from seeing something that they are not going to have A problem using a VPN or getting someone to let them borrow their ID code because these age I these IDs you get at the news agents just have a code that you type in to say like yeah I've I got this card. Obviously no one else could have ever got this card for me. So now I'm well Tom That's I mean that's not possible. It's not like, you know Miners have gotten fake IDs ever. That's just not something that you can do Yeah, it used to be that the kids would hang out outside the news agents and ask you to go in and buy beer for them Now they'll be asking you to buy these cards Don't worry, I'm gonna I'm only gonna look at the other two thirds. Come on help a guy That'll be good for the coming of age movies because we need some sort of This'll be theirs Got some bad news for the Samsung Galaxy fold Several journalists with review units have reported that they folded and not in a good way Bloomberg's Mark Gurman says he removed a protective layer That he thought was a screen protector and he was able to just grab one corner of it and pull it off And it turns out you're not supposed to do that and that causes problems with the screen that protective layer is there on purpose Other folks have done the same thing including Marquez Brownlee aka MK BHD For the record Samsung did say not to remove it and Mark and Marquez both are like Yeah We didn't notice that and we just thought it looked like a screen protector And we feel that probably a lot of consumers might think the same thing the Verges Dieter Bohn However says that that was not his issue He found something pressing up against the screen right near where the hinge happens along the crease Which ended up pressing sharply enough to break the OLED screen within a couple days of getting his and Steve Kovac Reports that the Samsung Galaxy fold they got at CMBC Has a broken screen that flickers on one half though. It's a little unclear why that happened I know the one from the Verges being sent back to Samsung and they're going to investigate to see if something got in there Or if the hinge broke either way It's not good and all of these various problems with the fold from responsible journalists who are like Yeah, we didn't treat these things particularly harsh And we're just trying to use them the way consumers would and they're having problems Well and the fact that there are a variety of problems, that's the problem. Yeah, okay removing protective Layer, you know, it's like sure we're all kind of used to that when you know We get new phones for the most part or or a lot of electronics like okay I could see you being like, I guess I shouldn't have done that shoot But fix that with some warnings or a little change of well apparently there were warnings, but The warnings were not heated well enough with better warnings So yeah with better. Yeah with yeah with like more exclamation points or whatever But the fact that there are a variety of Issues that don't appear to be related to one another. That's the problem, especially with review units. Yeah, plus they're yeah, exactly I was gonna say that these review units are you know, they don't just send them to anybody and They're very careful about it And they come to package follow with some documentation and thank you for taking a look at it like they really want the reviewers to get the best possible impressions and If this is happening to a lot of them, I don't think this is just random I think I have a very clear sense of why they're having a problem It's because they were so secretive about this for so long They did not let anyone touch it at CES. They were barely letting reviewers have time with it in press briefings Before they would whisk it away. I don't think it got enough real-world use I know they had machines like moving those hinges hundreds of times to prove that it was durable But it's not that you get into real people's hands that you really know what kinds of situations it will need to face And I think the secrecy around it you which was either because they wanted to preserve the information or they just Weren't ready Didn't serve them well. Yeah Well folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, we'll serve you To daily tech headlines.com all right Yesterday we told you that Qualcomm and Apple had settled their patent disputes Apple has agreed to license Qualcomm patents for at least six years and buy parts from Qualcomm and all that now hot on the heels of that announcement Tuesday evening Intel announced its cancelling its line of 5g chips for phones That had been scheduled for launch next year until had become the sole supplier of 4g wireless chips to Apple for the iPhone During the dispute with Qualcomm But Intel is not going to be supplying those Qualcomm's going to be supplying them So it does look like Apple and Qualcomm made peace and Intel decided you know what? We're not going to make these parts anymore because Apple's not going to want to buy them from us anymore Now Intel did say it will continue to invest in 5g chips for network infrastructure They'll continue to look at modem chips for non-phone devices But it's a timely coincidence. In fact sources told Nikkei Asian review the Apple Qualcomm settlement was negotiated for weeks and That Apple was concerned that Intel couldn't meet Apple's 5g schedule And that is what encouraged Apple to settle with Qualcomm Apple reportedly asked suppliers to test Qualcomm 5g modems a few weeks ago and with Intel pulling out of the phone 5g modem part of this business that kind of leaves media tech as the biggest competitor to Qualcomm in the phone modem space But they're not going to get any orders from Apple because Apple's tied up with Qualcomm through this settlement Yeah I I feel like an era is passing. I mean, I know it has Brandifications for that company and others and Intel getting out. It's kind of a big deal, but Hearing that Apple and Qualcomm are going to Bury that hatchet after what I feel like my whole life has been Feels weird to me. It's almost like saying that Samsung and Apple will never have another lawsuit and that I think that's the that's sort of where you know, sometimes you got to step back and be like Yeah, litigation really counts for a lot when it comes to companies, doesn't it because Yes, Apple and Qualcomm Deciding like let's just like handshake and walk away from it and we're cool again When we talked about it yesterday, which was somewhat briefly. It's like what that's I mean Did everyone all the lawyers just like get really tired one day and just decide like we don't want to do this anymore No, there's a lot more to it and obviously Apple is looking forward and thinking, huh Well, we got some issues with Qualcomm but if Intel is out of the game and we need some from Intel then Now we have to make nice and we'll we'll pay some money because we can afford it and You know, it just kind of goes back to all that high level corporate stuff yeah, and uh Soaks our chat room are like, oh, it sucks that Intel was relying on one company. Well I think that's over simplifying Intel has lots of customers for lots of products Apple was the biggest customer for 5g modem chips from Intel But they couldn't even meet the yield needs for Apple is what it sounds like if they couldn't meet the yield needs for one customer They certainly weren't going to be able to meet the yield needs for other customers It doesn't mean they only had one customer It means they just couldn't make enough of these and Qualcomm can So that moved Apple to the table to settle this Yeah, and it's probably I don't know I actually don't never know these days if these kinds of disputes actually hurt the industry or slow anything down or Or cause a lack of innovation or any of the things that I would normally Fear that kind of litigation would create. I think it's so systematic now by systematic I mean You know giant multi-billion dollar companies with huge fleets of lawyers all sort of going at it It's almost happening happening separate from The companies that are just doing their day to day. It's just like the other thing that we do over there is our lawyering and over here We make products I think it definitely slows down innovation. I think that's definitely happening But yeah, it's it's hard to know like on what scale I don't know you could argue this encouraged innovation Intel might not have even got into that 5g modem chip business If it hadn't been for Apple And it certainly has caused Apple to start looking at maybe developing its own modem chips So hey, you know just throw on another side there like it's it's easy to say that having patent disputes does Just dissuade some innovation, but a rise of the maybe it has some side effects the smaller army 5g Yeah, so anyway The upshot of this is you're not going to see intel competing with qualcom You will still see media tech Maybe you'll see apple make their own but for six years apple is going to be buying their parts from qualcomm So they've got some time to develop their own if they're going to and we'll probably get a 5g iphone in 2020 yeah, plus this this feels like a part of the not groundwork, but The the scuttering around that we're all doing getting ready for 5g like an actual 5g You know actual protocols being deployed modems that are physically working using like we're actually entering a new phase of connectivity and part of that is Who's suing who who and we gotta it's not do this and are we investing or not? No, but we're backing out We're intel. Okay. Well these other guys take care of it like it feels there's a weird energy about it to me Yeah, well, it's time to make money. You can't be uh Suing about what might happen because now it's time to actually do things time to go exactly Well, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit You know when it's time to go you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com If you hang out on facebook, we've got a group Please join at facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show lots of good stuff in the mail bag today Indeed philip wrote i'm a user experience designer And i'd like to comment on patrick beijos uh dislike of hamburger menus and his theory of lazy design as the reason for them First Nobody likes hamburger menus. I've never met a ux ui visual or any other kind of designer that likes the horde things Second it's not laziness that creates the use case for hamburger menus Just like it's not laziness that creates the need to use drop-down interactions Which have proven to be equally abhorrent in testing What causes the use of hamburger menus were they're like is a combination of lack of space and or content and features That an app may have it's easy to say that the designer Should create a graphical ui however on a limited size screen when you have to take into account allowing Proper white space tap targets and so on in many if not most cases It's not possible at some point you need to create an information architecture Prioritize the most used features and then design the ui to allow the easiest access to those with learnable paths for the others concluding Well, nobody really likes the hamburger menus until some magical thought reading interface comes along That can know where the user wants to go within the interface. They're going to be around for the foreseeable future But everything is what i'm looking at a hamburger menu from a restaurant and they have a hamburger menu for me to pick my Inception You know, I always like to say can I get the hamburger but with chicken? I like to do that You'd like chicken on your hamburger? No problem I like I like to basically turn the thing that's up there into another thing they have on the menu But not what I ordered. I'd like the veggie burger with bacon, please. Yes Nick wrote in and said 3d audio is just the generic name for multi speaker technologies like dolby atmos and dtsx And they're headphone based equivalents brand name versus generic name if you will in regard to 3d audio Sony is playing catch up to the xbox one and windows 10 which both already support dolby atmos and are getting Dtsx support added soon. Thank you very cool Yeah, that sheds a little bit more light on what people mean when they say 3d audio and mike from kilsyville, california What up like county says I currently use an app called duet duet display.com that turns the iPad into a second monitor on a Mac or a pc the iPad is controlled by the displays control panel in windows Or by system preferences on the mac and it can extend or mirror the main display It works great cost 20 bucks requires a lighting cable to connect to your computer's usb port And that was in response to our story from yesterday about apple developing their own version of this Yeah, there's as I mentioned yesterday There's lots of ways to do this uh other than than them doing it themselves or even the one we talked about yesterday So thank you mike for sharing yours And thank you to scott johnson for being with us on this happy hump day of ours scott What's been going on in your world? Well, uh real quick one of these days just talking about reflector three It's a little piece of software I use to extend displays through airplay, but you can use all PCs and A bunch of stuff. It's awesome. Uh, I am very busy doing all sorts of things But one of my favorite things to do right now is a little show with the aforementioned patrick beija called the monthly video game What is it? briefing Why do I do that the monthly video game briefing or mvgb? And we do it every month and patrick and I get together two guys that love video games Love talking about the industry around video games And so we do that and we pound that out and we hope people like it And the only way to find out if you do is to go check it out There's a link that's very easy to get to over on the dts site or I have a convenient one on mine frogpants.com mvgb And come join us send us your feedback and see what you think I think you'll like it So every month we're trying to get at least as many patrons as last month We're short of last month's total right now But we have had two more people joined than yesterday So we're too closer to getting to that goal We just need a few more of you out there to become members at patreon.com Slash dts and uh and get the benefits of that membership and only cost a dollar a month to get in the door Go check out the benefits at patreon.com slash dts and please If you're going to be in las vegas uh next weekend Come hang out with me and scott johnson and brian ibbitt and my wife. 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No more qual coms with apple Oh, I get what you did Yeah, we got more of a reaction. Uh, a third pornographic not detain us Is there a stop of the the one third How do you determine if it's a third? But what if it's a little more than a third? I'm like, okay We're good. We're good. I think we're losing the fours in the field Yeah, they're we we were definitely bearing the lead there, but it's still still a question for me I totally got what you guys were saying already a pornographic content. I'm just on the site for other reasons Why do I have to give you my driver's license? Yeah, uh hamburger menus. Well done Oh Folded wrong. Yeah, that's so you could be one 100th porn content And it could in the one image out of the hundred you have is goat'sy And you're already worse than another site that might be three fourths porn content. Anyway, but I I didn't want to get Charging Right, so it's like it's not just like oh, I accidentally saw something that was porny on a site that I'd use for other reasons porny You have to get into the The entire argument, right and the mark argument starts with like, okay If you've got undesirable content for 18 year olds or less, you can't be on and like, well, wait a minute I you know, what if I you know, just have this one thing and it's very deep in my site You know, is that now you're gonna kick me off of 18 year olds like well, okay fine If you've just got the one thing that's very deep in your site, you're fine. Well, wait a minute. What about me? I've got all this other stuff blah, blah, blah. Well, I don't even charge. I Yeah, it's a compromise to say like look, we just need to keep the sites that really are only doing this Uh, oh wait, it's not that we're protecting 18 year olds from ever being exposed to anything It's protecting them from the sites that are Mostly about this and how they ended up on a third. I have no idea instead of No, naughty sites for you. Well, no, only mostly naughty sites It's naughty sites for you, but give us your information Let us know a lot more about unless you're 18 years old or older. Correct. Yeah, exactly I think no more qual coms with apples is the winner. Yeah, I like going to Yep, is it no qual coms or sorry qual qualms or coms? Qual coms. Well, shouldn't it be qualms or else you lose the I mean it's the play on words. I think it is I got it without All right, fair enough Qual qualms all qualms just starts to be hard to say I agree. It's a weird way to say it, but Anyway, I have some qual qualms with you Uh, how about roger the pork connoisseur for good day internet? And now it sounds dirty because you're talking about photographic content Yeah, not porco graphics. Yeah, not that kind of pork We're just talking about a little l pastore a little bacon little l pastore That was just an off-handed remark You know that I have to go to the taco truck as soon as we finish this now We talked about pork on good day internet for a good five minutes right before the show So no, but yeah, but no, I I I'm just saying you know I have to get a hand after this show because we Yeah, there's only so much we can talk about a certain kind of food where I'm like now I have to have it Thanks I really do want a hamburger after talking about hamburger menus. I gotta do two You know, I always want food and then when I get it. I was like, yeah, I shouldn't have really eaten it He shouldn't I always want Probably depends on the food. Well, it's like it's like a hamburger or like Yeah, it's like I want to eat I was I was grocery shopping And I I was like, oh, I really want those little doughnuts those little brown chocolate doughnuts You know that's being a human being right and so I grabbed it and it's like fine Okay, the spot is And I ate like three of them and it's like I shouldn't have eaten these They ate one more than I tossed rest And that's probably you know different than if you would have had three Al pastor tacos No, you might have regretted that too, but three uh, uh hummus and and celery. Yeah, exactly like something that's like Maybe it fills you up, but probably didn't fill you with sort of regret and I like hummus and steak It's a really good combination. That sounds all right Like you you you cut the steak in the strips and then you just stick it into a flat bread with the hummus I had a friend who always ordered the veggie burger with bacon. I wasn't even making that up when I said it No, I totally understand that because You're like halfway to not be like put a whole shaker of salt on your He said he's like he liked the taste of the veggie burger and he knew that a veggie burger was healthier than a beef burger, but he liked bacon on his burger He was he was he was going on the metal grounds Moderating his guilt. I mean it doesn't sound good. I don't know. I understand. I don't think he was moderating his guilt He was like this just really tastes good and it's you know, slightly healthier than getting a beef burger. So yeah men Um speaking of beef he'll drink a lot of scotch Wait, what do you call a pork burger? Is that a burger a pork burger pork burger? I don't know. It's not a burger No, you call a pork burger a pork burger Is there a pork burger? Yeah at the bond county fair every year Bond county fair the pork producers association. Oh, is it ground? It's ground pork them. It's not like a pork sandwich A burger it is I mean pork patty Okay, all right. I mean there's a lot that I need to learn obviously This is why I don't know that much about meat I really need to embrace regionalism in the u.s. Right like yeah pork burgers are totally a normal thing where I grew up But yeah, it's a totally weird thing to some people pork chops too. That sounds great They're not a weird thing. I don't know why you just said pork pork pork chops because uh, I remember just they were always The drier chop Well, I just I said pork chops because uh, but they were good Was or what is from Iowa? But he used to talk about pork chops on the stick all the time at work The pork chops on a stick is a different thing than just pork chops That's a whole then that once you added the stick then it totally fit whatever we're talking about I get why do you even need it to be a chop if you got a stick? At that point you just want to Stick is less greasy than the bone Oh, I guess that's true Well, then you can hold it and then you can wander around the bond county fair trying everything else We're and and and is is this a fun fair as as county fairs go Well, first of all, we did not we weren't lucky enough to have pork chop on a stick at the bond county fair I just want to make that clear. We did have pork burgers though and uh, it was a fair It was a fair fair. Yeah, you had tractor poles and uh, demo derbies and the crowning of the bond county fair queen Oh There were uh contests in the in the big uh in the big hall, uh, where people would you know put put on on Show their their cookie baking. They're sewing their craftsmanship. Sure. There'll be prizes awarded Yeah, I want a uh, I want a second prize in baseball card collecting. Oh, wow Who came in first? Who beat you? Yeah Who beat Tom Merritt and collecting I did I wiped it out of my mind. I was like, I didn't want to do any matter Yeah, it was my brother The Sonoma county fair, which is the county that I grew up in big fair Um, and you know as as county fairs go big one like there's like a horse track and a whole thing Oh, yeah, we had a horse track. That's where the demo derby was. Yeah And there was a hall of flowers were like, I don't know whoever was submitting their Flower arrangement thing The big hall I was talking about. Okay. Yeah, and then like all the 4h kids are selling their Stock. Oh, yeah 4h hall. There was the farm where you had the goats and everything and then you have like you're like owl and like big weird bird rescue Area where you have an eagle on your shoulder Yeah Carnival and like, you know like little, you know, yeah, we had a carnival with like a tilt a whirl on a ferris Yeah, yeah, exactly need a workshop throw it up on the tilt a whirl. Yeah Man, I used to love the county fair Never had funnel cakes, but I was always I was always very into the caramel apple Caramel We always had the uh, vietnamese food stand at our bond county fair Yes, see that seems off-brand somehow There was a there was a whole bunch of vietnamese families that relocated southern illinois in the 80s and oh, yeah All right, that I mean sounds good. Yeah, I don't We you know, it was it was the caramel apple and I don't know burrito or something I don't really remember it the food ever standing out to me all that much I remember with a stana sauce county fair and that was just because johnny cash was playing Uh, but it was like 4h and everything like they had kids my kids It seemed to well did together their own combines and oh, yeah, yeah Yeah And then there's the alameda county fair Which is just your standard, you know county fair slash everyone else just goes there for the rides and food And then la county fair out here We had murl haggard at the bond county fair one year I don't remember anybody cool ever planned at the sonoma county fair, but i'm sure it happened Scott what what's Do you guys have cool county fairs? Oh, yeah, we have I can I can imagine you would yeah The big one's the solid county fair, which is like a that's a huge one downtown, but Yeah, they're real big on that real big on like year-round stuff that involves Uh, like every every season is kind of basically got its own great big. Um farmers market style stuff And then they'll build almost like entire fairs around that like There'll be rides at those things and it's supposed to it was originally just a farmers market So they're doing that stuff and my wife loves it. She's Any chance she gets she goes to that stuff most especially for those rides there I don't trust the carnies and the rides and stuff There are people work in the ride sometimes we're like, are you paying attention? No matter what we're calling I know we just say But there were people died at six flags in st. Louis when I was young no one ever died at the bond county fair so I don't remember there ever being a mishap in the carnival area of of our county fair And I mean like the camp the sonoma county fair ran for two well runs for two weeks every summer And I mean I was there Five times at least within those two weeks. I mean it was that was where you were hanging Out it was the coolest thing in town for sure Yeah, it was and like like and hanging out in the um In you know the carnival area, uh, you know after dark when all the lights come on, you know, and you got strong your feet and Oh so much fun That I said nobody died there, but there were pork burgers. So obviously Nobody died yet Did not make it through You know, I'm looking at the bond county fair website and I am heartened because usually I go back and look at stuff from my hometown It's all different now. It's almost exactly the same tractor pole demo derby rodeo livestock show community building was the building that I was saying had all the Shows like photography and dairy and youth projects. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah sounds a lot like my fair Still have the carnival. They have something called power wheels That I think we had it sounds like the lottery that sounds like big like big, you know, like Like power ball like which I think we had but it wasn't called power wheels back then Oh, oh, no, this is for kids power. Oh power wheels are those little electric power Oh, that's okay All right, so power wheels is new we didn't have that but everything else the rich kids got awesome Uh speaking of wheels, I think I've come to understand a little bit more about why my dog freaks out about skateboards But not a scooter or a bicycle or a motorcycle and it has to do with handlebars He is weirded out when a human is on something without handles Really? 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