 Hello! Hey, Korn. Hey, Nauru. The camera doesn't work. Let me retry. Oh. I would suggest let's wait some, let's say, four minutes to see if anybody else from the MC would join so that we can share the work and then start and not wait more. Also, there was some setup from yesterday that it seems it worked reasonably nicely. So, let me find that and just so that you... I'm not sure if there was anyone who was not there in the previous session that is in this one, but we could probably repeat the same scheme a moment. So, the scheme would be that each candidate will have up to two minutes of presentation in English that would be translated... Well, that was for yesterday. So, yesterday that was Portuguese or Spanish if necessary. In this case, that would be primarily for Japanese or other languages. That's needed. And we would take the order from the list available in the TDF forum. So, we would start with Italo and with Laszlo, depending on who had the possibility to join. And we would try to leave this to two minutes. And then we would... If we have time after the presentation, which should be the case, then the candidate can answer two questions from the community. If that works for everyone. And two more minutes to wait for WL to show up. Otherwise, if nobody has a better idea, then I would start with moderation. Xinji, I assume you want me to do this? You don't want to do it or should we stop? Or what's your preferred answer? Okay. Hi Italo. Please open the chat and you can see. The proposal is to have a very similar setup compared to what was in the previous session. Let's just wait one more minute till in case there would be some late joining. And if not, let's assume that will be answered. Okay. I guess then let's start with El Capriela. Who was also supposed to join on the MC side to kind of do this moderation. One last call. So is it fine for everyone, especially for the candidates, to have the same unchanged format compared to yesterday? Did that work good enough for the previous session? Okay. On my side. Fine. So then please Italo start with your two minutes. I will try to moderate. Don't hate me in case I say it after two minutes that your time is up. That's to have equal time for everyone. Please go ahead. You to myself. Italo Vignoli. I'm one of the founders of the document foundation. I've been contributing to open office before and to start. I think that many people know me and I don't think I have to present myself more than that. My objective by being a candidate for the board is to bring back the spirit of the original TDF, which has been lost during the years. And instead of having a board was objective was to was to reach consensus. Is now the board is now in a state of ongoing lack of consensus, which I think is exactly the opposite that of what the board should look at. And that's all. Let's say that by bringing back TDF to the origins, I think we can probably overcome most of the issues that we have had over the years and over the last two years, especially over the last two years. Thanks. You have a bit of time left in case you want to finish more. No, I don't need. Fine. Thanks. Then next would be Sophie. Sorry. Microphone. Sorry. Yes, for translation. Translation? Yeah. Translate? Yeah, sure. You can. Thanks. You're welcome. Icarus Njulki is currently active in TDF. I don't think we need to talk too much about ourselves, but we also have a member of TDF. Why did the candidate go to that candidate? It's because he wanted to return TDF to the old organization. I have a few other questions. I don't have much time left. That's all for now. So, who is the Japanese now? I just confirmed that Mr. Tegura is here. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for the translation. And then next turn would be for Sophie, please. Okay. Hi everybody. So I'm Sophie Gattier, founder of the Document Foundation also. I'm contributing to the project since the beginning of it, providing a translation in French and other tasks for the French community. I'm working for TDF as part of the team for 10 years now. Currently as foundation coordinator. And I support the pledge for liberal fees. We work collectively. And my goal also as Italo is to bring back the spirit of the foundation as it was at its origin. Working with the whole community in an open manner and defining goals, visions, and a future for the foundation. That's it. Hi. I'm Sophie Gattier. I'm a member of the French community. I'm also a member of TDF. I'm also a member of the French community. In TDF, we work together to connect with the community. We work together to connect with the community. We work together to connect with the community. The reason why we work together as a candidate is to bring back the board and the TDF back to the old days. We work together to make the goals clear and move forward. That's what we do. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Nabi. Thanks a lot. Next turn would be for Jean-François. Yes. Hello. I'm Jean-François Nifniker. I came to LibreOffice since the beginning and before OpenOffice, when my former employer decided to make the move. As a support IT personnel, I had to learn the new tools and support people, teach them good practices. I have always been involved in this, helping others. And my major concern is how people are actually using IT tools, especially LibreOffice. This is why I participate in all what is around support, writing documentation. Part is going to help in the forums and even writing extensions whenever I feel there's a need. I think deeply that the users, which are making the communities, are at the center of our needs. This is why I have joined the pledge for LibreOffice because I think the communities must be a very deep part of our jobs. Thank you. もうなかん新字でそのために必要な活動をしているということがそうです Document Foundationはユーザー中心の組織になるようなことを目指しているということがそしたら 以上です Thank you Thank you Next turn would be for Jean-Baptiste, in case he's here, since he's not. Excuse me, Nicolas, I think Jean-Baptiste will join in a little while. Sure, so we can get back to him and don't, please. Do remind me, all of us, all of you, in case I forget about them. So then, next will be Osvado. Hi, good morning to everyone. I'm honoured and it's a great pleasure for me to join the pledge for LibreOffice. And I want to candidate myself for the board in order to restore a better climate among the TDF and in order to have a board more transparent, more transparent. In the life, I'm a professor at university and one of my intentions is to promote LibreOffice and the whole project at TDF among the young people, especially engineers and computer scientists. I think we have to increase the donation and it's crucial in this sense to have the whole community involved. I guess TDF has to support the local communities because they are fundamental for the whole project. Let me notice that in the group of pledge, there are representatives from the various souls of TDF and the LibreOffice project and I'm really proud to be there. Thank you. Mr. Osvado. Sorry, my memory fell. First of all, I have a relationship with university and I want to recommend LibreOffice to the young people and especially to the developers. For TDF, I want to make it more important for the development team. That's all. Thank you. Thanks a lot. The next turn will be for Mike. I think we don't have Mike. Mike is sick and he won't be able to join today. Sorry, I have to hear. Could be for Nio. Do we know something from Nio in case we can always schedule and jump to the next candidate? Let's do that. Do we have Franklin? Please excuse his family issues. It's an opportunity to hear. We could go to Daniel. Hi, I'm Daniel from Argentina. I also support the pledge for LibreOffice. I have no corporate affiliation. I've been working as a volunteer since the beginning of the foundation in 2011, if I'm not mistaken. I want the foundation to be back to what I saw at that time. That's my motive to candidacy at the board of directors. And also be proud to be a member of a real global group with candidates from every latitude in this world. I think, as Osvaldo said, the climate is not ideal and we need to bring back the joy to be part of a project such as LibreOffice. That's it. Daniel is from Argentina. Hi, someone raised their hand? It was a mistake, sorry. LibreOffice is a volunteer. TGF is a world-wide organization, so I wanted to be a part of the board of directors. I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you. Okay, finished. Thanks. The next one could be Alani. Hello, can you hear me? Yes. Hello, thank you for being here. My name is Eliana Domingos. I am 15 years old and I live in Brazil at Rio de Janeiro City. I'm a member of TGF for 11 years. I was in the board of directors in 2014 to 2016 and I am part of Brazilian LibreOffice community. In the last few years, I was involved in the organization and management of the Brazilian Latin meeting and in creating videos and banners for the Mexico Latin meeting. And I promote LibreOffice in Brazil at social media and events. I created and worked in the LibreOffice magazine using LibreOffice Draw during its 27 editions available at week. And I'm sharing here the link in the magazines. I'm presenting my candidacy for the board because I believe the foundation needs change and to represent diversity of our members. I would like to highlight some challenges for the next board, in my opinion, which are fix the issues raised in the audit report, return to the tenders, listen more the users wishes. I support the pleasure of LibreOffice and I will be very, very happy to have the opportunity to be on board once more and serve the foundation and thank you. I am a member of the Brazilian community who is a very active member. I have been working in social media for a long time. I have been working in the LibreOffice magazine, which was written by LibreOffice Draw in the past. Some of you may remember the magazine, but I have been working on it. The Brazilian community is very active, but I am also a member of the board of the TDF. This time, I would like to talk about the change in the TDF, so I would like to challenge it. Thank you. Thanks a lot. The next one could be Paulo. Hi, I am Paulo Becchi, an Italian living in Luxembourg. I have been working with open source for more than 20 years now and I have been mostly a user of LibreOffice for many, many years. I am also affiliated with my own company. I am dealing with open source cloud infrastructure. LibreOffice is not at all part of my business, but it is just my passion. I have been a member of the board for the past two terms. I can see from the inside that unfortunately, especially this board, it has created quite a few issues. As you can see, we have been able to see from the audit. Naturally, I am supporting the pledge for LibreOffice to solve many of the issues that have been created or are still present in terms of governance within the board. I would like to bring more transparency and accountability for the board. Everybody is aware that their actions have consequences and their actions must be shared with the trustee to evaluate if those actions were for the good of TDF or not. That is my main pitch. Thank you. Thank you. As far as I am concerned, I am currently working on the board. I have been working on my own business, including LibreOffice, which includes open source activities. What he is asking for is transparency. The activities of TDF are transparent and everyone can see what they are doing. That is all. Thank you. Thanks a lot. The next one could be Andreas. I think we have to skip Andreas. I wonder if Björn is here? Björn had a work conflict because his job isn't related to LibreOffice, so his employer won't let him set the site for this meeting. Thanks a lot. I won't disappear because you will be done the next one. You are good. Hello, everybody. I am Simon. I have posted in the chat all of my background information about my candidacy. I have been involved in this project since 2000 when it was called open office. As a member of staff at some microsystems, I was at the launch meeting. I was LibreOffice's friend at Sun when Oracle was messing everything up. I joined TDF as soon as I was allowed to and ran the first board elections. I have been on TDF's board of directors twice now. I have also been on the board of directors of a number of other organisations including the open source initiative. And I am also currently on the board of directors of the Alma Lillix project. I believe that what the community needs in order to return to the place where it is a friendly, collaborative community is to focus on its vision for the future and to have a board that is made up of people with experience who understand how the rules of procedure work and how to be a disciplined and effective board, which sadly the previous board has completely failed to do. I am very saddened by the current state of the community and I believe that what we need is less politics and more vision. And so that is what I will hope to bring in collaboration with each of the global communities as a director once again serving LibreOffice. I have no affiliations that are of relevance to TDF and I have never profited from the project and do not intend to in the future. Simon Fips is a member of LibreOffice and has been working on it since the time of OpenOffice. Thank you very much. After that, I am also a member of the Open Source Initiative OSI. He has more vision for TDF and more visionless politics, but I would like to form a group like that this time. Unfortunately, the current TDF board is not very good at showing vision, so I would like to correct it. Thank you. Arigato Narikosen. Arigato. Thanks a lot. Next turn would be for Kor. Yes. Good morning, good evening, good afternoon. Happy to be here. And I'm Kor Naus from the Netherlands. I'm involved in the whole project community since 2004 with a huge number of different roles, mostly volunteer around translation, QA, marketing. I've been in the membership committee since a few years, four years in the board. I run my own company in the Netherlands doing project migrations and since a few years, four years, I think I work a large part of my time with Collabora and still doing some volunteer work too. I'm really happy to see the pledge with a lot of positive wishes and ideas. And I think it's fair to recognize that many of the items boards in the past already worked on, not only boards, but also just voluntary people at other places in the community. I can only encourage people in whatever position they are to continue working on that. For bringing back what I do know from my experience is that we need to learn to better moderate conflict. Because it always happens when you work together closely at some moment that you are not always happy. If we learn together to overcome that, then we don't need to bury ourselves in grievance and we don't need to start spreading conflicts in the public. And that is what happened over the past years too. And that's, I think, not so good for having fun in a positive atmosphere. So I look forward to working with people with experience. And luckily, the current board is working hard on fixing, there's not so many issues. There's only a few issues. The amount of noise around it. Sorry, Corbett. Please try to... I'm sorry. Two minutes limit it will be very hard for translation. I'm too for both. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. I'm quite positive that during this board term we will fix. We will be able to have a new tender policy and to give the Berlin authorities all information that's relevant around the audit. Thanks. Yes. This board member is from the Netherlands, and he's a member of the Liberal Offices Committee. He's also one of the current board members. He's been doing various activities such as translation and QA. He has a self-employed company and is also working as a member of the Liberal Offices Committee. And for the past few years, he's been working as a partner for foreign contracts. He's also been working as a partner for foreign contracts and is also working as a marketing partner. He's been working on a short-term... He's been working on a short-term contract. He's been working on a short-term contract. Thank you. Next slide would be for Ike, but I'm not sure that he's in this call. Yeah, that probably means a no. And I wonder if we have Laszlo, who would be the last one, apart from the ones who we scheduled for the other. Do we have a Laszlo? No. Don't see him. That's unfortunate. I wonder if Jean Baptiste had time to join in the meantime. There were some joins and leaves, but I did not carefully follow them. Jean Baptiste would join around 2 o'clock French time. Okay, fine. So there's still some 54 minutes out. Fine. Thanks for all the candidates to state their kind of presentation. I guess we have a lot of time for questions. I'm not sure how to do this best. Perhaps you can raise your hand. We can try that in case there will be 10 people doing that. It's possible that we would need to revert to writing things in the chat because that's a bit easier to do that in a far way. But please, let's try with raising the hand. So first would be Martin. You have a question in the chat because that needs translation to English. Can I have help for that? Or is that in Dutch? Yeah, that's Dutch. Could you please translate that to English? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Marlène. Martin. That seems to be a question to me. Marlène, Martin says that the majority of the board has made the existence of the foundation in danger and asking me if why I would be a suitable candidate. I think there's no... Let's have the Japanese translation for the question first, please. Can we have that, Narvikon? Oh, Sorikou, please repeat your translated question so I couldn't catch. Masaru-san, are you putting it in the chat? Ah, okay. Thank you, everyone. So I don't need to translate, so the answer is already in the chat. Okay, thanks. There is no clear relation between me and other directors in the current board and what we did there and the fact that the outcome of the audit is negative. The negative outcome of the audit, because that yields discussion about the charitable status of the foundation. That is a longer history in which a lot of aspects play a new role. But it's clearly not that you can point to any director individually. It has always been a full board of directors discussing things, working on projects in good faith, and so I don't really understand the link and therefore there's nothing wrong with me being a candidate. Thanks. Can we have the translation, Narvikon? Yes, yes. Well, I don't know why, but I don't think that I am a candidate. I don't think I am a candidate. Thanks. I think next up we have Daniel who wants to speak. Yes, the pledge was referred as a list of wishes. And I want to state that it's a bullet list about concrete action items that we can action in case we were elected. Just that. Well, I don't think it's right to be a candidate. I don't think it's right to be a candidate. I think it's right to be a candidate if you think you have a wish. Thank you. Thanks. Next up, Paolo, would you like to speak? Yes, that's a brief comment which I made. I believe yesterday, but I'm going to repeat it as of today. I mean, there are serious issues like the one that we've seen in the oldies. I mean, there is also an issue of, let's say, risk responsibility. And in many cases, it happened. The minority of the board tried to warn us of the trustees because they disagree with certain actions. So I cannot accept in a way that all the members of the board should, in a way, be held responsible for this action. That's why I said it should be the duty of each director to send out warnings and to act, not to remain silent when they see something that is wrong. This is at least my point of view. Thank you. Thanks. Any other questions? We have a lot of time to ask smart questions from the candidate. I see nobody rising their hands. Sophie. Yes, waiting for a question. I would like to highlight a point which is very, very important for me. It's about transparency. And for me, the community should have the same level of information as the board has to be empowered to participate and evaluate the action the board has to take. And having the same knowledge, the same level of information is very important to my eyes. That's what I wanted to say. Thanks. Translation, Naruhiko, please. Yes. There was a talk about transparency, but transparency is very important. I would like to comment on that. Translation, Naruhiko, please. Thanks. Next up with the raised hand is Korn. Yes, thank you. I think it's very important that we try to be as open as possible. One of the important things, of course, is that we are careful with that we spread information that is completely unreliable for as far as information can be published because simply not everything can be in the open. It's there for the foundation that basically every organization has different roles. And in our case, there's a board of directors that is elected to represent the foundation and do various tasks. We also know that, for example, in the team, people who have a lot of communication that is not shared with others. So it's always natural that not everything is in the open. What we should do is being very careful that information that we spread, that that is correct. And, for example, there are misunderstandings around how the tender ring has been done in the past. It seems that some people have the idea that tenders were not accessible for organizations not directly around the foundation and LibreOffice, which is simply not true. And the only effect you see that, obviously, it is organizations that do have experience and developers, et cetera, that for those organizations, those companies, it makes sense to take the risk of bidding on projects. This is one of the examples that we have to be very careful with painting a situation, giving the idea to the outer world as if the document foundation would do all sorts of awkward things. That's clearly not the case. Thanks. Moment. Let's give time for Naruhiko to translate. Welcome. Thank you. Well, this is basically what is important to have open, transparent, and open, but the business of the board is always open, not necessarily that it is suitable. For example, when the tender was launched, when the information was spread to the OECD, it would be like to get a tender by working on the process, so we shouldn't open it. There are some examples like that, so we should think carefully whether to open it or not. Thank you. That's fine. Thanks, Kurt. Kurt, please do finish your chain of thought. I think that's most important. There are more examples out there that you see that people have an idea of what's going on, which is based on rumors, and if you look at how actually we work, which is open, the information, then you see that it's a different situation. Thanks. Please let's have the translation for this, and then Osvaldo can do next. So, waiting for questions. I would like to highlight a couple of points that we express in the pledge for LibreOffice. The first one is that LibreOffice has to continue to stay free of charge for the whole community to freely be downloaded. The other part is an highlight regarding what Sophie said, regarding the transparency of how we plan to adopt. So, we plan that the board meetings, the decisions will be translated into local languages so that the community should be fully aware about which direction as a board we are taking. Thank you. So, what Osvaldo said is it's important to have a transparent transparency, so that the transparency should be spread as much as possible. We are a community project, so we need to have a transparent transparency as much as possible. Thank you. Thanks. Next up is Simon who raised his hand. Yes, thank you very much, Miklos. Listening to some of the comments that have been made, it seems we need to understand how an organisation of the size and complexity of the Document Foundation works. It takes a lot of time and attention to understand the business of the Document Foundation, and so we have to delegate the work of the Foundation to others, and that's why we employ an executive director and why we have somebody in charge of our community organisation and we have somebody in charge of our marketing activity. And similarly, the board needs to consider a lot of things. It's very important that the decisions and actions that the board and staff take are fully transparent, and I agree with Osvaldo. They need to be made available in more than one language. However, it's not reasonable to assume that every member of the community will instantly pick up the complexity of every issue and have a say in the step-by-step progress of the decision-making of the Foundation. So it's very important for us to have experienced and responsible individuals on both the board and the staff and to trust them and to take the actions that need taking. And I believe the most important thing we have to do now is to re-establish that trust so that we can resolve the problems that we have that have arisen not from any one person's actions, but from the direction the whole Foundation has taken for the whole decade that it has existed. It's not any particular person's fault and I encourage you to not try to blame particular people for the situation with the audit report. OK. Naruhiko-san. Thank you. Saimon-san said that it's of course important but it's very complicated to solve the problems that the TGF organization is dealing with. So why did we decide that is because of the transparency. But there are executive directors so it's complicated to solve the problems and to secure the transparency. And one more thing is trust. It's not like there's something hidden about the problems and it's not like there's something hidden about the trust and if the board is trusted then the decision of the board will be explained at the end of the day and everyone will feel the same way. Thank you. Before the people with the raised hands there is also a comment from Martin. Could somebody please translate it to English? I think it is translated from English into Dutch or anyway from another language. So and that's not needed. I do understand English. Well, not perfect. But Marlene suggests and that could be a shi if it's Marlene. Anyhow it is suggested that we need more transparency. That's a matter of what you expect to be in the open etc. But I think Simon already explained Sorry, let's try to do this in a fair way. Having the translation is great. Then Naruhiko, please go ahead with the Japanese translation. Oh. Okay. And Paolo has written it. I think it is true that Martin has just written it and has translated it into Japanese. I think he has answered the question. Please repeat your answer. Yes, thanks. You are not forgotten, but there were two others waiting for Yes. It might be relevant to reply to this, but maybe someone else wants to reply to this. Let's get back to you and then hopefully that's fine. Thanks. Thank you very much. The other comment I was going to make was to respond to something Osvaldo said. I am aware people are getting the idea that LibreOffice will be something you have to pay for from the document foundation, but LibreOffice will always be free of charge from the document foundation because that is required by our statutes. There is no need to make a pledge about that. It would be a breach of the duties of the directors if it was not possible to get LibreOffice free of charge. So I think people should not be worried about that. I cannot see any way the directors could prevent LibreOffice being made available free of charge. Naruhiko-san. Thank you. Well, TTF is free of charge for LibreOffice and costs are high. LibreOffice is free of charge and costs are high. So I think the question is if LibreOffice is free of charge and costs are high. I think it is. I think it is. I think it is. I think it is. I think it is. T.D.F. will never be free of charge or free of charge. So I think that's it. Thank you. Next up is Jean-François. You raised your hand assuming that you want to talk? Yes, sorry, I did not open the mic. Thanks. get back to the transparency question to emphasize that working transparently and in the open will help limiting if not suppress totally personal fights. This is my experience, my professional experience talking. Thank you. Thanks, Court Max. Okay. Okay. Yeah, thanks. I think it's needed to clearly say that the focus of all the directors of all the boards that I've been aware of when I was director and also when I was MC member and now and then joined board meetings. We've always seen that the focus was on developing LibreOffice and the community from all directors. We have seen many examples in the past, situations, or maybe first translate, please. Now, if you would like. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. There are very beautiful examples examples in the past where existing ecosystem companies, also those that are active now or people work for them, that those actually have been supporting new companies, new commerce in our ecosystem with development to make them able to grow experience, to make them capable to start tendering, etc. So it's, I'm not sure where the idea comes from that that that directors and boards try to somehow limit the ecosystem. The opposite is true. People have always been working on growing the ecosystem. And that's why I also said in the start that I'm glad with a lot of ideas in the pledge. And it's and also if you look just just because there are a lot of good things that we worked on in the past and that we can continue working on. Yes, that's right. Well, it's not that I want to say that I want to develop a big level of thought. Well, as an organization, the power of the ecosystem is of course natural, but from that ecosystem, what is it? Well, it's not that it's going to be aggressive against the ecosystem, is it? Yes. Thank you. Thanks. Next up is Alani. Hello. A few comments, please. We need to focus on the good things we can do for the project and the community. Everyone has a specific skills we need to source. Everyone can bring in their talent and shine. We all can learn and grow up together. We want to open interaction with the community and take decisions together. Transparency is absolutely necessary for all, including the people who make donations. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Daniel, next up. Yep. Just to say that we need to work together with the community as equals. We are equals. Nobody is more important than another and we can learn from mistakes in case such things happen. And also that we need to grow the environment, but in a friendly way. I think now it's a close circle. Thanks. I see some activity in the chat in case Simon or Paulo, anything you want to actually say there? No, no. There was probably just a misunderstanding in there. Okay. I just translated some text. Fine. Simon is raising his hand. Yes. I think it's actually quite important that. And my apologies if you felt that you were attacked, Paulo. I was correcting the thing that you were relaying. But the thing that you were relaying was false. The situation with the audit report is not the result of the actions of a few people or of companies, but rather it is the, the ongoing practice of the board and the document foundation from its establishment that has turned out to need correcting. And we will not make progress if we accuse some parts of our community of being evil. We have to unify and solve the problems together as a collaborative group on the new board. And I think that we need to see every director commit to working together, rather than perpetuating the infighting that has been so regrettable on the board that is coming to a close now. No, he doesn't. All right. Thank you. Thanks. Next up is Paulo. Yeah. Just a small comment on that. Well, naturally, I mean, if there is no transparency, there is no way for the trustees, the members to actually understand what is going on. It's also very, very difficult to understand what is true or false. That's why we actually need more transparency. We need to share whatever is possible so that actually people will understand, okay, this is what has been said. And these are actually the evidence, the assessment, the assessment sheet, you know, the one action or another. Otherwise, you know, the situation is very difficult. Then naturally, in terms of working together, I mean, it's important, you know, as we've seen, you know, we have a group to support a pledge that is very diverse with a lot of different experience that they can bring to the table. So that diversity and also the nice thing you're seeing actually two women in there will surely help in reducing all the friction that we see, especially in this board, because sometimes when, you know, people come from the same background with the same experience, then you create a kind of group thinking from where it's difficult to come out. You know, sometimes even if the, it is obvious that a direction is not completely right, then this group thinking kind of hides the nuances, the differences that people should look at. So I'm pretty confident that we, all the board members actually supported the pledge for LibreOffice. We will not have this type of situation. Thank you. Fine. Let's have Simon because he's intending to respond. Thank you very much. So Paolo, you know, I completely agree. There needs to be a degree of transparency that allows every trustee to understand what happened on the board. And I think I haven't yet heard any candidate saying that they disagree with that. So I suspect that arguing for transparency is a strawman. That is to say, is a thing we all agree about, but everyone wants to try and claim. We absolutely need to have great transparency. What we need most though, is a commitment to work together to solve the problems that the foundation has to everyone's benefit and not a political group that wants to do things just for part of the community. And so I very much encourage people to vote for experience and not to give into to easy ideas that turn up, not to actually solve our problems. Narahita-san. Thank you. Yes. Can I ask a question? Sure. That's the whole purpose of this call to ask questions and seek for answers. Yes. So what I would like to ask from different candidates that we have, is that we face many bugs that many of them are out there for many years. And that is true for the desktop version of LibProcess. But on the other hand, another problem, or let's say it can be considered an opportunity, is the new platforms, the emerging platforms. So we have new platforms like there or cloud, mobile with different operating systems, and various different technologies like AI. So in the past, I saw very little effort to make LibProcess present in that areas, or let's say some were reluctant for different reasons to provide LibProcess for those platforms. So I would like to know your opinion about that. Are you willing to put more effort into this, or let's say put money, man, hours, developers into actually seeing LibProcess in different platforms? That is final sentence. My concern is that with the changes in the computing environment, there is a chance that unfortunately, LibProcess becomes irrelevant in a few years. And that's a real threat. And we have many even open source competitors that have very good things to offer in this area. Thank you. Thanks. Simon, please let's keep the order to be fair with everyone. So, Italo first. Okay. So one remark about the discussion is that it's partially, it's only partially true that what the board has been discussing was understandable by external people, because there has been a lot of email going back and forth. I would say a way, an excessive number of emails repeating exactly the same things to the point that reading the board discuss was a boring exercise. But people should remember always that by writing email, there is a communication. So it was rather easy from outside to understand the attitude of the different of different board members. And this is one of the reasons why I have repeated many times that there was disagreeing with all board members. And this is a reason why I have not subscribed neither the pledge nor the new manifesto, although I share many of the ideas of both documents because I want to maintain a complete independence on decisions and approaches and attitudes when if I'm elected to the board. I think there is too much, there have been too much politics behind the, even these elections. Thanks for the translation. I want to answer also saying afterwards, but it's going too long. So if Naruhiko wants to translate. That's okay. And the main thing that The second part is about the LibreOffice in the market. So we can be actively developing and pushing LibreOffice forward. I think that only by working together, everyone, and I've heard too many times people not considering product and releases made by ecosystem companies as part of the project, while they are in fact part of the project. I don't think that TDF can reasonably be or release a product for all the platforms. It can be an option, but I think there should be, as I said, consensus on this. And we are a project where there is a foundation, there are companies, there are individuals, and we should all work together to produce software that is available for the different platforms. The fact that that software has a different name, I don't think is relevant if we all work together and support the software and make it clear then they all belong to the same family of software. There is a specific concept which is LibreOffice technology that has been developed. Because if we look at other projects which are apparently open source, if we look at only office, for instance, that is not an open source project. It's an open core project. The real product is a product that has a fee. And so it's not really in the same ballpark of LibreOffice. This is my opinion, of course. OK. OK. And then, the next question from Hosein is a question for you, but I don't think it's necessary to release software for all platforms. And the other ecosystem vendor, even if they release software with a different name, that's one of the things about LibreOffice technology, so I think it would be better to emphasize it. And there is onlyOffice software. There is Web版 and Native版. I've been increasing the recent performance, but that is not an open source in the real sense. Thank you. Thanks, Dan. Next is Core, and then Jean-Baptiste, Simon, Osvaldo, and Sophie. But I will repeat that, so first call, please. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, and I also wanted to respond to Hosein. Thanks for the question. But quite some of the items already have been mentioned by Italo. It is extremely important, because also when we look at this all together, we really are a small group. So cooperating rather than fighting each other, that is very important, and maybe a first thing. And then after translation, another thing, please. OK, so yeah, Simon's question was about what he wanted to respond to, but Italo said that, yeah, I think that's it. Yeah, I think that's it. I think that's it. I think that's it. I think that's it. I'm sorry. I don't know what to say. Enoki, do you have anything to say? No, I didn't hear it well. OK. OK. Thank you. Yeah, and therefore, if we look at the various ideas that are brought up here, I think what Simon posted yesterday, a different idea for Libre of his desktop development, making it much easier to cooperate and to spread, et cetera. I think that is a very interesting new idea in addition to already existing activities. So I suggest that we look into that further. OK. No, desu ne, yosu no roda kutou to iu, ten de yuu to. Do you need more time for translation or you gave a summary? Yeah. OK, thanks. So we now have Jean-Baptiste, I think. So please, could you have your two minutes of standing up and present yourself as others did at the very beginning? Hi, I'm Jean-Baptiste Four from France. I am 64 years old and retired. I contribute to French localization and QA. And I support the page volume of this. My main key role are community and user free binaries and no language barrier. Thank you. Hi. Jean-Baptiste san wa France kara no kanaka de translation ya honyaku ya QA to o konatte imasu. Ichiban no kanshinji wa gengo no barrier desu ne. Shoujiki, boho ga ima sugo ku face shiteiru tokoro desu kedo. Gengo no barrier ga subete no community member in taisite naku naru koto ga kanshinji da sou de. Thanks. There was like belonging to the Hussein's questions. There was an answer request from Simon. So please go Simon and then Oswado Sophie. Thank you. So Hussein asked a question and so did Rania. I think it's very important that the next board focuses on a vision for Libre Office and works out the direction that we're taking. Because there are many different approaches that we could take and so far the board has not done this. It has not decided what its vision for Libre Office is and put all of its energy behind achieving that vision. As Kor just mentioned, I have some ideas for a potential vision for Libre Office and I've put a link in the chat that takes you to a statement or a vision that I've written. I'm not pretending this is what everyone agrees with but this is a starting point for discussing what we should be doing. I think our most impressive need is to have a collaboration available for desktop users and I think we can achieve that by having the Document Foundation hire staff to create that collaboration function and I've outlined how in the document here but I would like to see us uniting around the discussion of this. Members of the community bringing their wishes in to a unified document and instead of assuming that all we will ever do for the rest of eternity is fix 20 year old bugs. I think we should be working out a vision for going forward possibly with a reduced user interface for the new features possibly with secondary products that do some of the tasks. I don't know quite how to do it. We should all talk together as a single community and agree a vision for where we're going and as soon as on the assumption I'm elected to the board I'll put this document up on GitHub for pull requests and we can have an open community discussion about the direction we're going to take instead of it all being decided by vendors we've given tenders to or members of the board or indeed the community who have got a vision that is local to them. Narahita Narahikasen. Thank you. Collaboration, Document's collaboration what do you call it? Thank you. Thanks. First of all, ah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. First of all, for the ReviveOps we don't have a collaboration feature but I think there's a possibility to add that kind of thing. And then, Document, the current ReviveOps user interface is a bit rich so I think there's a possibility to make it simpler. And I think it's important that we have a vision and that everyone can go forward with it. Thanks. Let's find the next one. Thank you. First of all, I want to thank Ossain for his point, his question, very cool, very important. I guess that the pledge on specify our vision regarding the new solution and how to move for the future. I guess we have to make an extraordinary effort in order to face with the new technology and new, how the products and the technologies is evolving but dramatically rapidly in this period. And now we are affording problems with an order of magnitude greater than the past because of AI and other technologies. I guess that what the pledge is underlying is that there is a group with a common vision, with a friend, a relation with the others, and we consider all members of the community equal to the board members, to the staff members, to the developers and so on. It's only with a transparent and a cooperative, positive effort we can face the problems we are underlying. Thank you. So, simply speaking, about how to move AI, regarding that, I think that the board has to have vision for the future. Yes. Okay, that's all. Thanks. And then Sophie next, please. Yes, just giving an example and an answer to saying there was a conference in Indonesia in the last month called Luka. And there was very interesting talks about artificial intelligence and I think you should see these talks and maybe Rania or Aris will give you the link. This is just to mean that working closely with our communities all over the world, we can get a lot of ideas and a concrete idea of the needs of the community and the users. And this is working all together and listening to everybody that we will have a clear vision of what is needed for TTF and our projects. Okay. For example, for AI, there are a lot of interesting things and I think that everyone has a lot of ideas, but we need to gather a lot of ideas for TTF and gather a lot of TTF and take it into vision. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Nav. Thanks. If I count correctly, then we have no next person who wanted to talk. So like more, there is room for more questions. Core. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, there was the question from Rania that I suggested to respond immediately a few minutes ago. But it's a very interesting topic that you mentioned at the lever office user interface and the, let's say, the rich dome of choices. And I guess you have somehow being involved in the development and the discussions. And sorry, this is a bit in detail, but still it is interesting for the, for how we as community work together. Because it is clear that all the choices in the interface have been developed by community members with different ideas who work together partly and somehow you now see a lot of choices. And maybe that's a good starter for translation and now if you would like. Okay. Well, the user interface of the lever office has a lot of things to do. It's true that there are a lot of things, I think there are a lot of things, but it's not like that. Well, there was a ribbon-like interface, I forgot the name, there was a tab interface, and that's what a lot of people wanted to make. And that's okay. Yes, so the funny thing is when you start a new lever office with a fresh profile, you get the question, hey, these are the user interface options. What do you prefer to work with? And it is a beautiful example of both the challenges and let's say the beauty of our community because the open way in each we always cooperate allows many people to work on their ideas, whether you are a board member or not, or a regular member of UX meetings or not, you can just work on the ideas that are important to you. But it also comes to the point that there's a lot of choices for the users. And therefore, but then still, I think if you have a certain need, and Simon gave an example, if you have a new version or a different version with linking on desktop, cooperating on desktop, that you have a specific user interface that is also that can be worked on and can be realized, but then indeed you have to work together and come to a shared vision on that part. So it is finding the balance of enthusiasm and everyone having their own idea. Then you have an enormous list of everything that you can do, you can have clean energy and no nuclear power because that might be dangerous, but you don't want to have wind turbines everywhere, etc. So you get a beautiful list of just wonderful ideas, but somewhere you have to make choices and to come to a vision. And that's what you see in the user interface as well. Yes. For example, regarding the user interface, if you are making a fresh project, it might be possible to make it clean but for users up to this point, there are a lot of things to do. It's not that easy, so it's important to gather ideas and make a vision. For example, when there was a collaboration between Simon and Ray, at that time, the user interface thought it might be different. Yes. So very brief. I don't have the real solution for what you say, Rania. I wouldn't it be better to have less choices in user interface and more features. My personal opinion is that it looks a smart choice, but still we live in a community where people have the freedom to contribute what makes them happy as well. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Any other questions? I think we don't have a very long time to answer your question. Thank you. I would like to say that we are very happy to be able to have a very long time to answer your question. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? I think we don't have a waiting queue right now. Hossain, please go ahead. Yes. I would like to ask the candidates to describe the priorities for LibRoss development that they have in mind that they want to push to support because it was yeah, that's important. It's important to know which areas they care most about or at least will support. Yes, the community may provide some ideas, but in the end it will be the board who decide which areas are much more important as the resources are limited. So I would like at least some general ideas of which areas consider it much more important. Hossain, please go ahead. As a question from Hossain, I would like to check which areas are more important for LibRoss development. Okay. Thanks, Kornax, please. Thanks for asking, Hossain. Again, we are really a small community and trying to make use of all the efforts and all the contributions in TDF and the full ecosystem and see what people actually work on and encourage and support that. I think that's the first step. And then if there are clear gaps, then it's something that that the foundation can try to encourage. Let me say it like that. But still, it is a matter of people with skills and means to do development if you understand what I mean. Okay. Well, basically TDF is more about what the development team wants to do and what the development team wants to do. So I think that's the first step. That's what I think. Thanks. Daniel next. Yep. I think both mobile and online solutions are needed and we can meet ourselves to work with the community and also the ecosystem to provide such tooling in something some something TDF failed in the past as the same way we should offer free binaries we should offer free binaries and mobile solutions. Online and mobile solutions can't develop and now the ecosystem is developing but I think we need to re-challenge that. Thank you. Pablo next please. Yes, thank you. I think it's a great in a way our offering keeping in mind the more which we have the more so our community expand and the more opportunities we have actually the more users of the various versions of the various platforms in which we put the liberal office will actually become platform some technologies that are being developed by the members of the ecosystem and I believe in the past we failed to find mutually beneficial agreement so that we all push in different naturally market segments so everybody will benefit so I hope this will happen in the future I believe the figure of our product manager could be important actually to then help all part of developments of liberal office on the code and so translation interface and so on to then create a so anyway manage this vision and bring it forward probably there is so naturally another small issue we're going to have to deal with and actually we have to get ready for it which is the cyber resilience act so naturally we're going to have to put in place many let's say protocols and procedures and evaluation to actually go out with something that is actually certified otherwise we will lose the opportunity to have liberal office implemented so in public sector organization so there are various things to keep in mind to organize but I'm pretty sure that by working together we're going to actually manage to do all of that and on top of it we'll say there are more and more opportunities actually to find even more funding there are various programs coming out and available even related to the cyber resilience act that could allow us actually to have the funds necessary to employ even more internal developers that would be absolutely great That's right I think it's very important to deal with various platforms and that is for example it's clear that public sector organizations are also needed so TGF even if we hire developers we need to support them so I think thanks any further questions we still have some seven minutes Simon, answer first Hello, so I'm just responding to Shinji's question in the chat where I was asked to respond to your writing first and then speak to it so developing software is quite a difficult task doing anything other than trivial software requires a professional staff function and so I believe that we at TGF should create that professional staff function under the direction of our executive director and it should have a requirements gathering process I believe the board should set the vision parameters for that software development function and then the staff should be responsible for delivering on that vision and so the requirements gathering would be part of the normal product management function so I very much agree with Paolo there that we need a product manager in terms of what software should do I believe times have changed we started out with LibreOffice competing with Microsoft and we felt we had to have all the capabilities of Microsoft Office but today individuals need software for individuals and so I'm not sure that we need a collaborator online forked into our community I don't think that software that individuals can run we need to instead put the collaboration function inside desktop LibreOffice so that individuals can collaborate peer to peer and so I would suggest we need to get back to the foundation's guiding principles which is to serve the public not to serve companies and not to serve cloud providers and to make people of the control of anybody in their use of software in their own language on their own computers so that's the direction that I would take Shinji Naruhika-san Ok Well First of all from a little easy to answer Paolo I was talking about we need a product manager in the TGF so I said it's a reference and what did I say and for for example there's a collaborator online so you don't have to use it for example in desktop version there's a collaborative feature for a number of people to strengthen the document and create it so that's what I said but that's the vision and that's the reason so for example there's a technical decision but as a board it's important to show this kind of vision I don't read your question but I wonder if you're answering my question I think it's okay Hi, thank you Thanks, Sophie next, please Yes, an answer to Shinji about how to proceed with discussions in open democracy open politics we use tools to help decision making this tool helps to collect the feedback listen to a whole group with different opinions and different approaches then you can vote and take decisions and everything is open everything is registered and if you look at the tool like we wanted to put in place called Decidim you will have an idea how to take decisions in large group as our well decision making discussion discussion and of course it's open without transparency and for example if you vote you will need to do that Thank you Thanks I think we are very close to the end of the session so if you really want to speak up then please raise your hand now but then let's have the end of the queue and then we will finish so it's never ending one more thing Yeah, but it's okay Sophie mentioned Decidim and yes it has been looked at Daniel I think worked on it and for sure Emiliano put a lot of effort in but somehow that didn't seem to be the right tool for us at that time so it's definitely in a very interesting area where groups in all sorts of countries do have experience so if people choose to look into that that might bring new opportunities for sure Okay Decidim seems like to use the voting platform I think is interesting That's all for now Thank you Sophie, next and again just repeating the request please in case you would like to have some last word please do raise your hands now and then let's have that at the end of the queue Sophie please go ahead Yes, just a few words a big, big, big thanks to Naruiko because the task is really, really difficult and you do it greatly, thanks a lot thanks to all to be there and thanks for being part of the community We love you Bye My pleasure Thanks Naru and also it's wonderful to see us with a quite large group communicating on TDF's Yeti and it works great so thanks for that too Indeed, thanks for all the candidates to spend their time answering questions Thanks for everyone else, for asking nice and interesting questions and as a reminder, this is the second of these Talmunhal calls there will be a third one the TDF forum has the exact dates and in case you want you can also have that written form to answer to ask more questions from the candidates and other than that, that's it for now Thanks a lot for your time Bye Bye Bye Thank you Bye