 That's going to be a fascinating book my friend a sequel right so you've got to wait to It's like the second album. It's like yeah, I'm great work, but shit shit. That's happening now is even yeah more exciting so Exceptional exceptional There's a lot going on now, which is kind of interesting. It's like this crazy Let between all the people who Are trying to run that small operations like we always did in California. We had we lost all our farms in California a few years ago and due to all kinds of reasons mostly legal and Zoning and all this bullshit and yeah when these larger operations are going There seems to be a big split in the community, but for me I rather Work with some of those guys who want to do bigger operations and then keep them real, you know, yeah I'd rather be in it than out of it and For me everybody should be able to grow whatever the hell they like to put the pressure on those big guys There should be product everywhere and everyone should be able to grow whatever the hell they want in my opinion, so You know, that's just the only way if everyone's freaking out about these big rows coming on the only way is to Have 70% of the production come from small growers Exactly pressure back on those people Absolutely, you have the people that have been making the community run the whole time Get together do a Voltron grow, you know, I mean, that's that's the only way to fight corporations is to become To become the opposition and not necessarily be a Be cutthroat like them, but you just do a right yourself with the guys who've been pushing it all along Yeah, and you're allowed to do it and You should be allowed to do it, but there's also that thing is, you know, you can brew your own beer But who does right so that there's a place for the for the other side too But it's up to the smaller growers to keep the bigger growers accountable for what quality is Absolutely, they're like dinosaurs. It takes them a long time to turn around and move and get genetics and you know, so The advantage is always with the little guy as long as they're organized, you know, yeah that's kind of Where I'm from, you know, and even though I'm running a couple of big greenhouses doesn't mean I don't feel that and That's still where my heart is that I'd also be nuts not to Take that opportunity to run those big greenhouses just for the ability to grow out seeds from you guys Kamal those other guys, you know and then help in that breeding process and then pass those cuts back Yeah, I don't know if karma told you but I'm gonna be bringing a bunch of Rare African strains that haven't been Haven't been grown like outside of Africa a lot of people, you know Have the Malawis and the same strains of Malawi that have been passed around but I have a lot of different stuff I'm bringing out there I've been sitting on for a long time because I have zero outdoor space and I want them to be able to grow Where they're happiest that that's the most important thing and you do such great Cultivation out there and I think that's a place for them So they're yours to grow when you want. No, you know, well, I mean, there's You know the R&D space that we have with karma and my friend Gordon down a elephant head farm You know, it's he's all into it. He's he's the guy who helped write some of the laws Did the better side of the laws in Arizona? He's the best guy you'll ever meet in any kind of history anywhere in the world and He wants to grow a bunch of seeds He wants us to make a bunch of seeds and he's been thrown Claude of silver round for 40 years He's like he's made crosses of Swazis and pure ties and pure hazes that we made back in the late 90s And he's like eight generations in he still doesn't know what he's doing, but the stuff's great It's like that's amazing. It's like one of those people, you know, so he he's a really good Person in Arizona that we can do research in it's also where we can make seeds to that's so amazing Yeah, that's where the heart is and that's where we'll put that stuff. That's beautiful. That's where it needs to go Man, I mean I could I could grow it here, but I could it would just wouldn't be happy There would there'd be no point in it I couldn't see it at its best expressions and it would be a loss and it would be selfish and Overall, I think it would be selfish for me to grow it in in try to grow indoors And not be happy. It'd be selfish to the whole weed world. So let's get that out there I think that's awesome. Yeah, no, that would be amazing And it's also I mean all these genetics it's it's I mean I'm helping on four or five Operations here and there and every single one needs They have different clearances right like how special is the genetics do I want to put them there? You know what I mean and the ones I get all the special ones are the real dance earth the real guys You know absolutely because they don't even want the the corporate guys don't even want that other stuff No, absolutely juice You know, so it's really kind of important to put the right stuff in the right place And that's kind of where our angle still is you know, like keeping it real Yeah, I see sure bin skis in here. That's awesome. He's probably the only guy I got if I'm being honest He's the only guy I have a ton of respect from that is involved with the cookie guys He's the only one doing real work out of all those guys and I have a lot of respect for that, dude So that's really cool. I mean jiggle to I think so You know, I think yeah, all of good work, too I don't bear the only two that I've met but I haven't met jiggy yet You know, I haven't met jiggy yet, but yeah I think they're both It's an amazing opportunity. I mean I got that cookie clone really really early on when It's like yeah, you put this in your green eyes is and you'll have no problem, you know, and they were right Yeah, it does man, and it's it's very easy to grow and and I think that's what's the major appeal to it Even the shirt the gelato all that stuff's really easy to grow but exceptional and the resin production is next level. Yeah Yeah, no, and since there's no pistols to Rot in my humidity. There's like exactly all it, you know, and as long as long as you you're able to like QC the inside of the flowers You know, that's that's the only thing like we're talking about monsoon season here It's like I have to be yeah, not have anything hiding inside any flower that I don't know what's in it Yeah, so during monsoon. It's the case of I'm only gonna grow stuff. I can look inside Absolutely, but patients don't get a surprise. Yeah, the cookies. No G's are off the menu for 12 weeks and then Full force again, so we're doing a bunch of Nigerians a Bunch of hazes a bunch of amnesias like we have like 13 weeks of solid sativa runs Coming up, which would be that'll be amazing all selection, you know, all our own selections That'll be fucking amazing. So back in back in Amsterdam What was what were some of the first strains you were crying when you were when you were out there and and just getting into growing? I used to grow and do other stuff with cannabis in the early 90s, but the cannabis college in 97 We mostly worked with All the the skunk bands F ones which we later developed First series seeds stuff was this and the Adams THC stuff Sagamata Tony stuff We had a show gross everybody had a little section we had a hundred and fifty plants in the garden and a big steak next to it which which seed company came from and we plant 30 seeds of each variety and People would go for a tour and then They'd go across the streets by the seeds because they'd see it going from seed I'm one of the most more interesting ones where we cross all the skunk man stuff with With all the different Ingemar's widows Oh, we have the whole the whole line all with widow is like a super widow line. I bet We grew a shitload of those out there were that was some pretty interesting stuff like that original Hayes with that white widow came out, you know, like 50% resin weight no yield, but 50% resin weight I bet you know the really nice turps and So that was for me interesting at the time All the F2s and stuff as well from Dave stuff was good. Sure. He has a question for you What is the best strain you've ever grown? That's a hard question. I'm sure but anything pops Forefront Depends where I was maybe that you're more partial to I Like I like an L5. Hey skunks. I mean we developed our own line of it You had the super silver haze. We have the Jack Harrah. We have easier Things are legendary and every now and again a cut came up paying cut So my dream was always anybody who had beef I'm gonna get you know a couple of hundred of their seeds The three-way seeds and then just rework them and cross them together. It's like Ingemar's white widow and Scott's white widow It'll be like if I cross them together. I'm healing some beef, you know Super silver thing, right? Yeah You know So I kind of like that but that's always been my go-to that three-way. Yeah I remember Delta nine labs did some stuff with their fruit of the gods If I remember correctly there was another stunt or like Hayes and I found some there like I ran a shitload of those But there were two or three phenos in there that were fucking exceptional that stood out among the rest and that nation just seems to bring winners Yeah, you never you never forget those though. Yeah, there's something about them It still bugs me to this day because I mean Eddie got robbed at gunpoint and they took like 55 gallons worth of seeds out of his house All the stuff Kind of lost a little bit of hope for a while then So now you know with the help of karma and Colorado and a whole bunch of other guys We're collecting a whole bunch of new three-way stuff. So, yeah I still have some of the old northern lights gunk Hayes, but they're they're the germination rates kind of shit And I'll bring them. Yeah Yeah, we just gotta If we pull it all together and put it all on the table and we're all sitting around the table we can start looking at it and having a giggle, you know, like These different lines and stuff should be Pretty cool. I think you know, something's gonna come out of it. So Yeah, I can't wait. I really can't wait to go to the facility and hang out with you guys for a few days and And get to see it all and play around learn from each other. Yeah any time on any time and There's a couple of states to pick from there, so that's so crazy Cool, I gotta go find my drone again Thanks for coming on short. It's an absolute pleasure and an honor. Yeah, great chatting with you. All right. Talk to you soon So thanks to short for coming on that dude anytime he comes on that's exceptional That was the first time and in fact guys a repository of knowledge Absolute repository of knowledge and the amount of hands-on work that he experiences with all these different strains is Fuck next level my theory on the hermaphroditism in strains today I think it's more to do with a mass amount of new growers not quite knowing what they're getting into not quite knowing How to feed plants going with bottle schedules and all that shit I'd love to bring sure bond. Is he still in here? I would fucking love to bring sure bond Yeah but I think it has more to do with new growers not knowing how to feed plants feeding them like tomatoes and Just really not knowing what direction they're going and also being the majority of the people who are growing You don't hear a lot of older growers bitching about herms because we just deal with it You know that we realize that's part of growing, you know something's not happy in our environment We either acclimate it because it's really special and we know that or We just move on and toss it and it's just whatever man, you know, if you see a herm happen It's usually because of something to do with the environment or how it's being fed Any of that expression almost everything can be acclimated to not herm Whereas like auto-firing traits and stuff like that. That's a that for me. That's a sure toss, you know But yeah, I mean I've seen I've seen some companies get just scalped over the years Scalped and raked of the herm thing And it's usually the ones