 ahoy hoy and welcome to the channel today we're going to talk about how you're wrong about the real scp foundation so what does that mean well the problem i've always had is that there's sort of a disconnect between what we call onsite and offsite fandoms there's an onsite fandom that consists of authors and readers who are actually registered on the site although there's a lot of overflow with the offsite fandom in that um people who just visit the site probably have to see ads because they're not registered on wiki dot and uh yeah they just read the articles as they are on the page and if they engage with it they engage with it outside of the site they create you know fandom satellite fandoms instead of operating inside the site um and there's gatekeeping on both sides we could possibly talk about that a little bit later but the important part is the disconnect between what offsite wants and what onsite wants is driven primarily by who isn't isn't registered on the site it honestly and this is sad to say doesn't matter what you want to see on the scp wiki if you're not registered and don't vote votes drive content on the scp wiki it's there's no uh view count on an scp article it doesn't matter how many people read it if they didn't vote on it it's uh an unsuccessful article now because there is like overflow there are plenty of people offsite who are technically registered onsite and those people do vote on articles uh and so they do have some influence but the vast majority don't and uh those people who are registered onsite are i mean you would argue that they are maybe they're part of the onsite culture but really they belong more to the outside sort of series one-ish uh fans and that's the other half of the problem i think and this came out of there was a video i did a couple uh like it was last week i think where i was was it last week i think it may have been last week or the week before that but i did a video about how there is a uh sort of a difference uh between the scp wiki and what people would consider mainline cannons uh of any television show or movie or book series or any sort of collaborative project almost always has a single unified canon and even where it doesn't the lack of a unified canon is part of the canon and still has internally consistent worlds like marvel's a great example marvel has and dc might even be another example um marvel and dc have separate worlds because they like to have different versions of their heroes that have showed up in past but there's always um sort of a multiversal canon as well uh and there is consistency between them characters cross over between them and such on the scp wiki that's really not the way it works there are distinctive deliberately contradictory canons that really have nothing to do with each other in any way and you might ask yourself why is that hard to get your head around well first of all i talked about how younger people generally encounter less fiction and therefore this is new to them but the thing is when the wiki was first being created that was the way it was there was a single unified canon that was the point of the early wiki and series one reflects this so people who read primarily series one scp's approach the wiki completely differently than people who read beyond that and it is part of the source of the disconnect between our off site on site fandoms um literally each of them is approaching the wiki in a completely different way because after series one the scp wiki became something very different than what it was before so if you only read series one this isn't about quality and people will always make that argument this is more gatekeeping than anything else when people go series one sucks you should read stuff beyond that that's the part of the the thing that they like so that's the part that they read i don't really think there's anything wrong with that it's just maybe it's a reflection of poor taste maybe it's not a reflection of poor taste it's just a reflection of taste but the important part is that if that's what you read you see the scp wiki completely differently if somebody writes a tale about scp 682 to you it must remain internally consistent because everything else you've read in that series one bubble is general not everything but mostly internally consistent there are cross links and everything everything is very tightly packed together all the tails interact with each other all the scp's interact with each other and so what we end up with are and this is the other half of it so this reflects on the quality of the articles right if you're one of those people who we're going to use can keep using often on site here although really the crux of the issue is series one fans versus everybody else and i hate to make it a versus but this really is the ultimate clash on the scp wiki people the everybody else when they approach a series one article approaches it in isolation right as a single article and they evaluate it thusly so their evaluation is necessarily going to be much um what's the word um much less than somebody who approaches it as part of a greater scheme of articles which is what they were written as in the first place right this is the disconnect this is the serious problem if i i mean scp 343 as an isolated article is terrible it's a very badly written article and in fact most people even series one fans can agree with that much but if if you look at it in the scope of the dozen or so articles and i think there may even be more than that but the dozen or so articles and tales in the scp series one that either feature heavily or or about scp 343 then it's just one tiny part of a greater story and the greater story is better by the way the 343 as he has drawn in um i can't remember the specific names of the tales but in the tale surrounding 343 he's just a better uh it's just a better version of the of the article really and it improves on the original but if you approach it as in isolation as just one thing you're going to be more disappointed than you might otherwise be now this disconnect between what makes a series one fan and a series be and everyone else fan is it's one of the more serious divisions in the scp community and it's one that it does fall mostly around age lines but i don't even think most people who denigrate series one fully understand the reasons why people enjoy the series one stuff and i also don't think the series one people understand why their voices aren't heard you want the stuff that you want you have to actually speak and then the scp wiki the only way to speak is to vote so you have to register for the wiki you have to you don't have to participate in any other way you just need to register for wiki dot register for the wiki join it properly there's guides i think i've done videos on this and even if they're i haven't it's very easy to join the scp wiki i know a lot of people like i've been trying for well it i'm sorry that's on you if you've been trying for a while and it's just failing every time that you're doing some you are doing something wrong i can say that pretty definitively unless you've been i mean well even even and even then but unless you've been banned from the wiki for x reasons which i can't speak to because i don't know your individual contexts but yeah if you've joined and or you haven't joined because you can't figure out how that's on you man it's not difficult and if you want to see more like interconnected stories and simple stuff like in series one which is what it is you know simple individual stories that connect into a broader narrative instead of a single page like a single page explaining everything and exhausting all opportunities for additional not all opportunities by the way there's always additional opportunities for stories but exhausting most of the readily obvious opportunities for stories and you don't like that in modern scp's well that's on you you've got to join to make your voice heard nobody cares if you read it and liked it or didn't like it all that matters to an scp author speaking as an scp author is the upvotes and downvotes if it fails then i'm doing something wrong and i need to change my approach if it succeeds i'm doing something right and i should keep doing what i'm doing so the articles you see on the wiki that you don't like if you don't want them to be there you have to join and make your voice heard not that i think that you should downvote those sorts of tales either because i think it's not an us versus them sort of thing it's different tastes for different people but if you want to see more of a specific type of story what you should do is be more positive about the stories that are on the scp wiki make sure they survive make sure they get upvoted and if you do that more people and write them yourself too more people will write them if they can get upvotes for doing them but if they don't if they languish in you know if they fail or if they languish in single digits then what's the point you're going to write the long uh you know 10 000 word story if that's the one that's going to get them the upvotes and is that a cynical way of looking at things yeah absolutely there doesn't need to be this divide and we don't need to gatekeep either we don't need to be looking at like oh no we don't want more we don't want more series one type stuff so we should try and keep these people from joining the wiki which is a underlying current and thing that really does go on and then the other people go on like oh what we should do is we should get in there we should downvote all this all this new stuff so that no one ever writes anything like it ever again it's not us versus them all boats can rise at the same time we can have both types of stories on the scp wiki at the same time it's like this uh more recent trend of short form like it's short form versus long form just have both and the medium stuff at the same time it's it's it's not a problem everybody has different tastes the scp wiki is huge let people's tastes define what they read and what succeeds there's more than enough room for the different niches let those niches be filled and don't you know if you don't if i don't like sarkic stuff that's a good example of things i don't like body horror or horror in general so i don't read those things generally unless somebody really insists that i read them and that's fine i'll read them but usually i don't like them no matter how good they are otherwise i should say uh usually like the quality level of like if i read a body horror or a horror article uh if the quality level meets a certain threshold that's enough to overcome my negative opinion of those genres but oftentimes that's just getting me to a neutral vote i'm you're starting at a you're starting at a disadvantage it's very difficult to get me past that but does that mean i go out there and i seek out horror stories and downvote them no i mean why would i do that why would i seek out the content that i don't like that i know for a fact that plenty of other people do anyway that's it thank you very much for watching i just wanted to talk a little bit about what is and isn't the real sdp foundation now different people approaching the sdp wiki from different places can end up coming to completely different conclusions about what is and isn't best um but thank you very much for watching if you enjoyed the video hit the subscribe button and then hit the notification bell next to that so you're notified when i upload new videos and then head on over to patreon.com forward slash d samurian and pledge at any level like everybody here on the screen already has including synderiki and mc cashmill who has pledged at $50 and synderiki has pledged $100 i definitely uh am still sick you can almost certainly hear that in my voice i've been coughing on and off but hopefully i've cut most of that out um but yeah i needed to 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