 Three pro-lifers and three pro-choicers get together answer questions about their position to see if they can find common ground today. I respond Hey guys, what's up? It's Isaac and today. I'm gonna be talking about and responding to a recent video done by Jubilee Well, I guess it's not that recent. It's actually two years old anyway I found this video and I thought it was really interesting a conversation between pro-lifers and pro-choicers They sit down to find middle ground and I think this concept is really interesting Also, the question of should there be middle ground on this issue is something that might come to mind So we'll talk about it watch the video and dig into some of the stuff if you're new to this channel My name is Isaac and this is daily disciple ministry where I help you follow Jesus daily I realize a lot of people that aren't Christians might watch this video and if so, that's okay Welcome here, and I'm excited to be able to share this with you. Let's dig into the video I spent way too much time on that Oh, right Yeah, because you hear the other person's perspective and you're like, okay, that makes sense Yeah, no, I I think I Questioned mine often because I could imagine that if I wasn't Living my life based on my Christianity I would want women to have that choice as well Okay, interesting question. The girl said that the Christian girl She said yeah, if I didn't have my Christian worldview, I can see how I would believe differently I believe I could understand how I could see Abortion as being okay, or is a woman's writer or whatever and I think that's an important statement in clarification to make If you're a Christian then where do you get your sense of morality? Where do you find this objective morality by which you base your life? What is right? What is wrong? It is ultimately based on God. How do we learn about God? Well, we learn again about God through what you know, what we learn about is general revelation So general revelation is creation We can know that God is orderly by the order in creation that God is creative by the creativity And we know more about God through specific revelation the Bible. So we're learning about God. What is right? What is wrong? What is our sense of morality? We learn it through our conscience, which he has given to us, but it ultimately comes from God without Recognizing that objective morality in the Bible and based on God's character We're left in this sense of finding morality in a subjective way based on our own perspectives opinions beliefs Experiences and this is what a lot of people within the pro-christ movement most of them all of them I would say are are left with they're left with this sense that well in my opinion based on my experiences It's okay because that's what I believe and this is why I get confused when pro-lifers talk about, you know Pro-life being disconnected from Christianity like you can you know, oh, it's not about Religion it's not about, you know God or anything like that. No, it is actually all based on the foundation of the scriptures That's what it's based on and when we why is abortion on it's abortion abortion is wrong because it's the taking of a life God said in your mother's womb I was forming you and you are created in my image you thou shall not murder all these things play together and form this Morality that's based on God's character, but I believe fundamentally that the woman should have that right to make the decision and It's I've never been anybody's pro-abortion Oftentimes they don't have good choices and they're picking the lesser of the bad choices yeah, I just feel like my I'm very certain of my views because I Want to respect that everyone has that option Okay, interesting the pro-choice guy. He says that you know, I there are few people that are actually kind of like pro Abortion, it's just kind of the best of two evils. This is a common inconsistency within kind of the argumentation of Pro-choice people they'll say abortion, you know, it's not ideal But sometimes it has to happen sometimes, you know, it's the best option available But at the same time they'll argue that it's just a blob of cells a clump of tissue If it is a life then it should be protected and if it isn't a life Then why is it such a why are people kind of waffling in terms of getting an abortion if it's not life Then what's the big deal? But the thing is is they know it is a life. That's why he's saying oh well Nobody's really pro-abortion. It's too, you know bad scenarios here and because they know it is a life But they're willing to sacrifice that life for the convenience of the mother or whatever that may be for I want to be careful here because often what's missing in this conversation is compassion compassion for the other people on the other side of the argument because In no way should these conversations or debates be filled with hate I'm passionate about this issue because I do believe it's a life in the womb that deserves to be Protected because it was created in the image of God the other lady was was saying, you know I just want to give people the truth. I want women to have the choice to do it It really gets back to our morality where our foundation is right because if we do believe that's a life And if we do believe in the scripture when this is thou shall not murder, right? It's not a our choice to take those things into our hands to do what God has said don't do part of the problem of arguing Pragmatically in turn instead of arguing from the Bible is that when we argue pragmatically often people will say well look everyone Believes it's wrong to kill somebody so or murder somebody So we just need to kind of give them enough evidence to realize that a it is a person in the womb Well, the thing is is that scientists have all across the board look it up concluded that yes It is a life within the womb, right? They've concluded that that's closed issue, right? You'd have to go far to find people that will argue that but now the thing is now what they're moving to is the fact that okay? It may be a life in the womb, but the woman still has the right to kill it because it's her body or whatever, right? So you see how the goalposts have moved when it's a subjective morality or our understanding of what is right and wrong It'll move based on convenience So because they have no foundation for which they place right and wrong when they say oh well now We need to kill this person because it inconveniences us or we don't want it or whatever it may be They can do that because it's not based on anything We need to get back at the heart of this issue, which is the matter of the heart It's our heart Understanding of what is right what is wrong who God is what he has commanded us to do what our purpose here is on earth All these things are connected and you may think Isaac you're insane. What are you talking about? All these things aren't connected. You're just crazy. No They're all connected because it all impacts our worldview and this at the heart of it is a worldview issue The only difference we have is when that fetus becomes a human life If that's a human being then my tonsils are human beings. I think there are That's a scary gray area and in the Bible you did say you know I don't know what part of Christianity, but Jesus says before I formed you and your mother's womb I knew you not a sparrow falls from the sky without my knowing I feel like I really respect you and your faith I respect that that's your feeling and that you all feel that way But I also feel like one can feel that way regardless of the Bible regardless of Christianity You know, it's one of those things that Happens and has happened actually for decades, you know for a while and People Make that decision and it is their decision. They make that decision For whatever reasons, you know, I mean again you you help people who have taken a pill first and change their mind And I think that's great But if you have one and you feel regretful then deal with it If you have one you don't really feel regretful or you feel like it really truly was the best decision for you Then that's what happens and I just think we all know people like that or I don't I just don't feel like we have any Right to force a particular way and and and and you know, I think it's great to try to just be open I want to encourage some of you Christian guys and girls that are watching this video right now We can be in conversations with people similar to this lady that you know When we'll quote scripture or go back to our foundation, which is in the Bible She kind of disregarded is like, oh, well, you know what you believe that and other people believe that kind of thing And other people believe that kind of undermining the power of the scriptures really and I think it's really Important for us not to lose confidence or try to be like, oh, yeah, she's right or I should go somewhere else Maybe I try to go to some Evidential like this is why abortions bad maybe more women feel bad after they do it So this is why you shouldn't have an abortion Maybe those things can be interesting to look at but at the heart of it The reason that we're opposed to abortion and the reason that it's not just well It's you know, some people do it for this reason some people do it for this reason It's their choice. The reason that it's not that way is because God has declared and too often my friends too often And I'm the same way we'll submit to other people's authorities and And we'll leave our own we'll leave up the God's authority We'll be like, yeah, you're right. That is kind of that doesn't make a lot of sense. Yeah, you don't believe that So that doesn't matter can't we stick to what God has said Can't we be bold about what he has called us to? Because we're gonna need people especially in this conversation That not only approaches with compassion, but approach it with truth And they're bearing stuck into foundation not hey, this is what the newest evidence say hey not the you know That can be helpful and interesting But the heart of it Our foundation is in the scriptures where we know and learn about God We have a relationship with him and that's how we go out and approach any of these issues To me it yeah In my experience in plan forever almost everybody got kids And the the slogan if you will My parent it was no child in a wanted child not and We wanted our children and that's why we chose to have them What about all the people that would gladly take care of that child that cannot have a pregnancy to save their life? Because the woman has to go has to go nine months for a whole life that a child could have I think one of the things that I immediately reacted to is that Okay, nine months, whatever But there are so many children not just in America, but the world over That don't have loving parents that are not in a loving situation that are not cared for fed clothes Loved and I and I think that is the most important thing to care about our children Because they are our future so the child in the womb has no value whatsoever. No, I don't think so at all I'm not saying that I never said that I'm just asking that to me that's unclear Whether it's you know this or that or this or that and despite the fact that you say There are people out there that want to adopt this child or want to take care of this child There are still so many that are not this struck me. Um, she approaches this the the pro-abortion Lady she approaches this with kind of a an aura of compassion and I I don't want to question the fact that that maybe in her heart She feels like this is Compassionate, but when we truly think about it and if we're getting to you know our understanding of what it is In the womb, this is a common argument that people say they say, okay, you know what if you have that child Maybe they want to have good parents. It'll be another child. They're an orphanage. They won't be loved They won't be taken care of So why why would you want to put them through this almost painting you as like the bad person now Is then the compassionate person because they just they don't even bring this child in the world And now you're making them live this hard life and difficult life. You're somehow the evil person here It's a really twisted argument because you think about it if we believe which it is The child a child in the womb is a child, right? We're saying well, it's just better to put them out of their misery early enough So we'll just kill them now so then they don't have to have a hard life to me That is that's not compassionate at all That's like the idea that you you know somebody gets sick or somebody's having a hard life And and you just are like, you know what they're having a hard time. Let's just put them out of it That's the compassionate thing to do. No, it's not pro-choice people seem like oh It's all about choice all about choice all about choice and yet the one person who doesn't have choice is the baby in the womb Think about that. Okay, so I could honestly go on for hours on this topic But I hope you got something out of this video our foundation our understanding of how to approach abortion should come From the bible not just from random arguments. They may be helpful. 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