 In my group the funniest was Jay there. There were other people that would come in and Put on a better show, but just funny to funny It was always Jay that I saw clips when he was on your late night show He's always really funny and you were very generous to give him an outlet. I have a question about that Do you what do you think of that? Looking back on it the rivalry in the late night wars and all that stuff And do you like obviously maybe you think it's a shame? Maybe like how do you how do you categorize it in your mind? Well, it's overall it's embarrassing Because I don't want to be the guy who's Pissed off because oh, I didn't get so-and-so Because I didn't truly feel that way. Oh, you didn't feel that way. No, no Well, how did you feel? It wasn't my choice, you know, I know nobody ever came to me and said we would like you to host the tonight show So, okay, they didn't want me to host the tonight show. So I could I can live with that It wasn't as though I had made a mistake As far as I knew yeah, so and and I Thought maybe we would just take our show move it to California, but that didn't happen And I be the tonight show. Yeah, and and I think it probably worked out for the best Jay did a great job and I Would I would hey, you know who else did I'm old the guy the gray beard my friend gray beard. We'll be right back Yeah, no it embarrassed you just a little embarrassed like like you didn't like making it public or no it was because look There there are things one looks for In in a friendship, mm-hmm, and if they're there you have a friendship and you hope you supply and equal The same things if they're not there You're not friends and that's that's fine, too. It can be very painful though In this case it wasn't painful, but let's don't let's don't pretend we're friends, right? Got it. Yeah, was there a party you with the self-loathing party you did a party you go like well You don't deserve it. No. Oh good. No. No. Oh what where I don't deserve it Yeah, no no the part of what turned on me was oh my I may never work again So so I tortured myself about that. That's the thing that no one would believe is how But much people tell the people think I'm never gonna work In show business. It's true. You you may have to go to the end of the line Mm-hmm And I see I don't even know now if it's harder or easier to become you was it easier for me to become me It was an easier for you to become you. What about Burt Cresher? He takes off his shirt and makes 25 million It's unbelievable. I do wonder about that where you look back on that and you just go like should you have been more private about it Do you was it your own hurt feelings? I'll tell you what it was the the fulcrum of the whole thing was I Called and I've mentioned this before I called Jay to congratulate him on getting the job and Then Jay said well, what will you do now? And I said oh, I may do this. Oh, I may do that I may do this I may do that and it was I felt on both sides heartfelt and And this is kind of sound so stupid the next week This is a story in the National Inquirer and and it has a hyperbolic Exaggerated version of what I said outraged a steaming with anger blood spitting like that and I just felt like That was yeah, that was not that was not necessary. Yeah Were you when you got all this sort of other networks? Vying for you. Were you did you were you like excited for yourself or flattered by the attention? Sure. Yeah, because you like I said earlier. I went from a position of holy gosh I'll never work again. Yeah, suddenly. Oh, we got a Brandon Tartakov's at Paramount and they're talking about this and Fox is coming in and CBS is here and like that. Yeah, so it was it but it's show business Ultimately show business. I I'm I'm now one of those guys I'm officially on record as whining about my life and I have really nothing to complain about coming to the right place Yeah, I guess I did nobody told me I'd be the first Well, you don't have to be I'm not I don't know how I'm gonna roll them out Okay, well, I'd like to be what it give me a pick a number No The competition between Value like cornpony values Dave and showbiz Dave. Yeah, there's this Europe showbiz animal Yeah, no, I you still want to win. I I think first is exactly where I want to be Yeah, why not? Yeah