 This is the NIO books call for Monday, November 13th, 2023. We've just missed some entertaining zooming while driving. And we're about to do a demo with showing us AirTable as a way to do a publishing calendar for our new sub stack. I'm gonna reshare my screen just to have a web browser real quick. And I'll apologize, I haven't set up I didn't set this up as a demo. So let me look at one of the bases that's, this might be a good one. Yeah, I don't know if that is a good one. Why don't I just, I'll just start from fresh. So it has a tendency to, well, it likes to do these fields to get you started. I'm actually gonna like cut them all down. So we'll call this short name about NIO books. So this would be maybe author. We'll call this Jerry and we'll put a date. I'm gonna put a wish date. Okay, so I wish Jerry would publish this on the 23rd. So maybe we would have a thing called tags or something like that subjects. I'll make this multiple select and we can have, I'm gonna call this meta. It's also, because I'm doing this on the fly, this is gonna be kind of weird stuff, but maybe we have, every Thanksgiving, we have a, you know, that's a kind of topic that you have. So Jerry can add Thanksgiving stuff. Maybe it's also about autumn and about blogging or something. I was gonna say future of media would be a good topic. Future of media. We'll probably wanna field the different fields for the permalink once we publish on the actual public pub date. So I'm gonna go a little bit advanced here real quick. You probably kind of get the point and it's also probably kind of confusing to look at the things. Let me add another one here. This is December 6th. So you see that I've got a selection of the things I can select here. I'm gonna type a new one, which is markdown. And for Jerry, I'm gonna select Thanksgiving holiday, blogging, future of media. So as a simple demonstration of the relational database part I was talking about, let me change this to be a link to another record on a table called authors. So now it looks the same kind of, but if I click on Jerry here, or actually let me do it. Okay, double click on it. Let me do it a different way. There's another table here called authors now and it's pre-populated with this from the other table. So Jerry is working on about NeoBooks. Pete is working on NeoBooks publishing process. Jerry's email address is associate at Gmail. Pete's is, I'm gonna skip iStory. And so on and so forth, right? So right away it's easy for me to actually roll so it's a good way to do that. As you're doing this, I was just thinking that if you bring it up every week you can coach us a little bit and have it used if people decide that this is the way to go. Five minutes each week. Or if this platform already has videos, training videos on how to use it. But what's still not clear. Yeah, one thing that's not clear and you have the knowledge is, you know, the additional benefits. What you see is the additional benefits. I just don't know what the scope of benefits are compared to- You know, like a really good one is, and to come back to it, I am totally fine using Google Sheets. It's just like, it's kind of like using a bicycle instead of using a car. You know, it's like, okay, we can all fit on the bike, that's fine. So this is something I think it's got better support for text fields. So this is a fairly long text field. It's got good support for data types. It's got, if you wanna do this kind of category thing, it's really good at that. You can do single slacks, multi-slacks. It would be easy to do a Kanban board here. I'm gonna add this field at the end. It actually belongs in the middle of someplace and we'll drag it over maybe. Actually, let's do a couple. I don't think we're gonna get the full benefits that you've experienced with it, but one option for people to decide is whether we just go to Google Sheets to describe or whether to do a period of prototyping is to see whether people feel it's better and whether it's worth the energy to learn something new and all. I'm open, I'm decided because I can't make a decision one way or the other. Let me see if I've got another Kanban board-ish thing real quick. People should have a Kanban shortcut. This is a pretty good one, actually. This is like a random template that I set up once. I haven't seen it for a long time, so we'll stumble around it. Let me duplicate this so I can mess it up. So in this scenario, this is a project tracker for a little company or something like that. So kind of like over on the editorial calendar, here's the name of the thing. Here's kind of a qualitative thing from the last meeting. So we're trying to review some fundraising records. We're still looking for some of the records. Joanna is lead on it. This is in the finance department. This project is at yellow status because we're still looking for the records. Project size, life stage. Life stage can be active, pause, backlog, zombie project, close. So it's real easy to set up views over here. So I can see this is just a view of projects that are in red status. Let's see what this is. It's got a Kanban board view. So this is a different thing. We're kind of like a Kanban board. We can look at all the green things and one thing, all the yellow, all the red. So in a meeting, in a review meeting, board meeting or something like that, it's like, okay, we don't even have to look at the greens, the yellows. What's going on with this? Looking for some missing records, Joanna, what the heck, what's going on with that? Are we gonna turn this to green next week and see turtle? It's like, what the heck? Paul, Terry, what's going on? Waiting on additional resources. Can we please get Terry some resources for this thing? I would say, if you're the administrator of this, I mean, just use what you're most comfortable with. This is a lot of information and to do this side by side, I mean, make a decision, make a call and we'll use it and then we'll just, you know, if you're setting it up anyways, it's pretty easy for us to dial in there. Yeah, really well put, yeah. So you kind of get the idea. It's got a couple, the come on view thing works really well. This is a card view of each project and you can sort and filter and customize these cards, yada, yada. To Dave's point, it's easy to change these around. So I'm not sure what problem there was. It's also easy to look at these in expanded view. So, Jerry, I don't know if you saw it in the chat. Dave's got to drop off at the hour, so he's got two minutes. Now that we've burned it all on, where did it go? Dave, any thoughts? Before you leave, I just updated the volume one based on the comments we made last week. So I just wanted to take a quick look at that. Great, thanks. And where do I get it through the, which channel do I go to to get to it? It's the... Neobux? We have a Neobux channel on MatterMos. MatterMos, yeah. And there is a few version there. So this is what I changed. Before the book started here, the story of soil, and I added in the, I changed the name to food and agriculture adaptations to a changing climate. And then I put an introduction in there that explains that we are connecting three stories into one or three chapters into one story. And then I did put in sort of an appendix. I didn't want to go through the whole book and then make specific references like the dawn of everything, page 245 or so. But here are also what chat GPT has pulled from. These are the key references. So hopefully that there's not the book itself is, sorry, where I might have something from Trump in here. The story of soil is on the Neobook folder. That's an OGM file. So we have food removal here, and then there's book volume one, volume two. And in here also, you have individual articles that have been extracted from the book and used to go around, you know, and then here's the book itself. And this is the current version. Right, okay. Hey, thanks for doing that class. All right, I'm gonna hop, good to see you guys. Thanks Dave. Anyone else with thoughts, comments on our table versus et cetera, et cetera? I'm in classes camp. Sorry, sorry, Stuart, go ahead. No, I just said that I'm in classes camp. You know, whatever you decide is just fine. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, if you think it's got the benefits, give it a world prototype if we like it. And if we don't, we'll tell you. Fair enough. You know, if it works out well, great. I mean, it seems like a great project management thing, a multi-dimensional project management platform. That's what it looks like. And I don't know how well Google Sheets can replicate that or not. So my take at the moment is that Airtable is dramatically more powerful than, well, I don't know about dramatically. It's way more powerful than Google Sheets. It's also something completely unfamiliar to us. And I don't know that it has any features. I don't know that why would we paste things in long text fields into Airtable if we should be placing them into Substack or Markdown files or whatever else. But if we feel like learning a new tool, this is a great way to do that. And this is a power tool. So I think that's, for me, the biggest reason to grow Airtable is that all of us would get more fluent in using Airtable. But otherwise, I'd be totally happy to replicate this in Google Sheets. I have the inkling or the hunch that more of us will participate if it's on Google Sheets, merely because it's absolutely familiar and there's no hurdle at all. I think, me kind of a joke, Jerry, about now I get to set up an Airtable should also desire. And you just did. Yeah, Klaus is more to the point. Whoever's running the project management should use whatever tool they're comfortable with. I'm probably not. I would love to do project management. I probably don't have a bandwidth for it. So maybe you can kind of be the manager of the Google Sheet. And that's totally fine. That works fine for me. And happy to- It's not setting up the tool. It's actually managing the tool over the long term. Yeah, it's making sure that we're all using it and using it in some comfortable way that makes it useful. We should also have a Google Sheet of Neo Books. It makes me think. Well, I'm thinking there's a markdown page that basically lists the Neo Books. I think I would like to use Massive Wiki for that rather than a separate spreadsheet. Okay, that's great too. Okay, and then I'm sort of heading that way with what I'm doing with the Wiki. We can keep the editorial calendar on Massive Wiki too, instead of Google Sheets. That winds up being harder for me because tables in Massive are my- Not with a table. Yeah. Markdown tables are good. It would just be moving text up and down. Yeah. I would rather be in a spreadsheet just because of- November, December, January. Yeah, yeah. Which would, that would be the bluntest instrument. But even actually then, editing a markdown page on GitHub is a challenge for some people in this group. And Google Docs is a no barrier thing. But I think Google Sheets is a good answer. I'll set up a Google Sheets for this and replicate what Pete just did and get it out to us. Anything else on this topic? Editorial calendar and sub-stack. We didn't talk about sub-stack much. We sort of raised right past it to Airtable demo and all that. So any other thoughts about our use of sub-stack or getting added to it, et cetera? I, the, so the editorial calendar is kind of a container. The thing that we fill it up with is people's work. So as far as I know, nobody here is volunteered to be feeding the editorial calendar or especially the articles that need to be written. So maybe that's the thing to do to talk about who's willing to write what article, when, kind of, if anybody. I think that's a good comment for now. And also, we can use this sub-stack even to experiment with the possibility of NeoBooks, meaning I don't think someone has to have a valid and confirmed NeoBook with a full table of contents in order to start posting pieces to it. It feels to me like, hey, I think I wanna write a NeoBook about this. Here's a post starting, opening that conversation. I'm comfortable with that. Yeah, the other thing is what you were talking about earlier is sort of a meta conversation about NeoBooks. And I think there's a lot that can be done there because that sets the template and trajectory for the future. So for example, if you were to write a blog post that you would share, you can share a pre, you can share a link to an unpublished article on sub-stack. So if you shared it to us in advance, for example, we would review it, we would come together and maybe discuss it next week. You record the session so you can see how things evolve so that you do a pre-publication, you do this, you update it, then you send it out to everyone so that when it's published, you've got lots of people who have ideas about what they can share. So it's a recursive iterative process over time. Love that. And you could even take the recording of that segment of that call and attach it back to the blog post and then over on YouTube where I always upload all of our calls, I could add a link back to the sub-stack post, et cetera, et cetera. Exactly, yeah. For back and forth. Yeah, exactly. How do you create different ways of networking and getting the message out? Because to me the issue is how can you create something that's organic, evolving and never ending? You know what I mean? It's a complete learning process and drawing people into it. So it becomes a tractor for this particular, the different domains that people want to spotlight. Cool. And also for me, NeoBooks is sort of a way of writing. It's a little bit like writing Wickely, which is its own, when you're actually involved with a small community of people creating Wickey Space, Wickey Pages, you have to think Wickely. And that's different from just writing a book by yourself. And this is that plus the NeoBooks concept on top of that and sort of reusability and modularity in different ways. So I think that that's certainly content for posts, but it's also something we can practice as we do the thing that Rick just described. So I'm happy with that. That sounds great to me. So will you have a draft for us to look at for next week or not? That sounds like a good thing to aim for. And it doesn't have to be a huge long thing. So no, no, no, no, no, no, quite to the contrary. It can just be, you know, and then the discussion becomes, then it becomes a generative process. You're collecting ideas and then you incorporate that into the next iteration and it just evolves. Agreed. Plexus coming out this Wednesday and then not again for three weeks. So. Oh, right. How are those sounds? No, it's Plexus published first and third Wednesdays. Oh, okay. So every two months, there's a three week. Coincidence of the editorial calendar. Yep. Yep, coincidence of the actual calendar. But a quick, you know, new book and pointed to the first post and the subject would be great if we could get it for Wednesday. Okay, so that's soon. Cool. Should we talk about any? I have a totally random thing. Actually I have two random things and then I'd like to get to a new book publishing process to nuts and bolts. First random thing, Plex reminded me of it. I've been doing a thing, I'm, as you may know, I'm totally enamored with mid-journey. So I generate hundreds and thousands of mid-journey images of all different kinds. And I'm trying to figure out how to get them published in more places. But a thing that I've been doing for people who contribute to the Plex, I've been sending a really pretty image for a month or a couple of months. This week's set went out with an offer to redeem an NFT of the image as well on a blockchain called Tezos, which is a low-energy, clean NFT thing to do. The art community there, it's been around for about two years and I used to participate in it in 2021, 2022. And it's still there amazingly enough. They're forming a DAO and so, there's a whole like connection that NeoBooks could make into NFTs and DAOs and things like that. And I know NFT and DAO are like really, really, really dirty words. But that doesn't mean that there's not a pony in there. So there is actually a thriving art community. This is the art community I'm talking about is a tiny little thing compared to the big famous ones. It's also decentralized and open source, sustainable, all those kinds of things. And for trading little bits of things, peer-to-peer, inter-community, the technologies that got such a bad name are actually really useful. So you could make an NFT of a chapter of a book or you could make an NFT even for a process or something like that. And the thing to remember about NFT is it kind of means signed copy. So the artwork that I sent to everybody, they have it already on their computer, but if they want to redeem a signed copy, they can say, hey, Pete, just tell me how to, tell me how to receive this and keep it as a signed copy as well as just the, you know, the kind of, so it's like a signed copy of a book as opposed to like the PDF you have on your hard drive. Love to talk to more people about that. The other random topic coming from the world of AI, another dirty word, the new hotness in chatbots with chatGPT is a thing called GPTs. They did a ballsy move, which is the way our friend Kyle Shannon referred to it. Probably wouldn't have said it that way, but anyway, they did a bold move where they said, we're gonna take the generic term and we're going to use it as our brand name. So just in the same way that Microsoft has Word and Apple has phone or App Store, chatGPT named a thing that people were doing already, AI chatbots, they call them GPTs. The thing with GPTs is it's a custom, I'm gonna say tuned, that's actually quite, not quite the right technical term, but I'm gonna say a custom tuned chatbot that understands your corpus. So now this has, it's been obviously coming for a year and now they've just made it available to everybody very simply. Now, if we ship a Neobook, we ought to be shipping a chatbot that goes with it. And so to make a GPT, you load up the bot with your corpus, your corpus material with some custom instructions, be friendly and polite, be a little bit sardonic, know this, know that, stay away from these topics, don't stay away from these topics. So a Neobook should also have an attached chatbot which lets people talk to the book essentially. So let me just, so let me know if you want more information about that. There's, they're actually super hot right now. So if you say, teach, you know, I'll teach you how to make a chat at GPT or here's my GPT, you're in the first 20,000 people in six months, there's gonna be a million of these things or more. And it's gonna be noisy and actually the way chat GPTs has always been a hard to use thing, it looks easy to use but it's actually hard to use because you don't know how to use it. These bots are encapsulated ways to use something about a specific topic. I want to learn how to use a pressure cooker. I need to know what the maintenance schedules for my car are. I wanna know, I wanna learn how to fish. I am a new parent and I have health concerns about my baby and me. All of those kinds of things used to be a book and a website and now it's a chat bot is the way that you're gonna interact with that stuff. And instead of chat GPT general purpose, most people will not be using a general purpose chat bot. They'll be using one of a million custom special purpose ones. So that's- Yeah, for me- If I could just add to that, tomorrow morning I'm speaking with Kent Langley who's the CTO of exponential organizations and co-founder with Salim Ismail. And he has, I think he calls them book bots which is, I think it sounds like the same thing. And he did it for Simmel's book on exponential organization with a second edition and he's already developed this. And so, I was thinking, if he's available and you're a willing, we could invite him to this meeting to talk about it because he's already done a lot of this work. And he was ahead of the field when it started me. I'm not in the tech space, so I have no idea who's ahead of who and who's beyond the cutting edge and not, but I don't know what your take has been. There's a, the technology for this has been available, but not easy to use for eight months, nine months. And there were a bunch of startups actually that were like, wow, a bunch of developers, Bill Anderson, our friend Bill Anderson was one of the developers playing around with the technology. You could cobble something up together and then it was a little bit hard to ship it. Last week in their Dev Day, OpenAI just kind of wiped the table and they said, here, it's easy to make these trivial to make them super powerful. It's hosted on our infrastructure. You don't have to figure out how to do anything except ask some, answer some questions. So everybody has seen this coming and it's good to know that there are people who've been thinking about how to apply a book to this and OpenAI has just taken the barrier to entry from like, eh, it's a little bit of a pain too. It's so easy that you just, like, you can't not do it almost. So another thing to note, I don't think we have to worry about this much with NeoBooks right now, of course, but I think to know about GPTs is that any chat that an end user is having with your corpus is private to that user. Even the maker of the bot doesn't have access to those chats, they're private. However, anything that a bot maker has given to chat GPT to create this bot, custom instructions, corpus materials, things like that, all of that through a trivial jailbreak, anybody who has access to the bot can get it to dump all of that material, a super trivial jailbreak. So we're at the stage of the game where OpenAI puts something out that's very useful and it's a little bit sharp-edged because if you don't, if you're going, ha, now I can monetize all these books on fly fishing that I've been saving forever and now people can have easy access to fly fishing knowledge that if you give that OpenAI right now, they don't give it to everybody, they'll let you chat with it, but it's very easy for somebody to say, hey, chat bot, tell me everything you know, and it'll just like, okay, I'll tell you everything I know, and just keep going. So we don't have to worry about that with the Neo Books, because Neo Books are public, but if don't publish anything that you don't want on the front page of New York Times through GPT yet. Cool, Stuart in class, then me. Yeah, so here's what I'm wondering as we discuss this, all right? So I go back to what I think of as the purpose of Neo Books is to provide a publishing platform for progressive ideas and give people the opportunity in some ways to contribute, add on, et cetera. I'm hearing a lot of stuff around ownership as an important concept and monetizing things. And I'm just wondering how all of what we're talking about serves the original purpose. To be clear, I bring up private information and monetization because that's a lot of what's gonna happen with GPTs. My understanding of Neo Books is they're gonna be CC by or CC by NC or something like that, very open and not, I mean, I know that Jerry and I have talked about and there should be a Kindle version and it would be great if the Kindle version was five bucks or two bucks or whatever, you know? It makes sense to, if it were my Neo Book, I probably would have the $5 edition. I'd probably have a $10 edition along with the $5 edition. And then I'd have the, in the description of those saleable things, here's the one for free. Here's the one that you can get, you know, probably easier and faster than down the way you got in Kindle. So Neo Books, to my understanding, is not meant to be a commercial venture. It's not also something that we're gonna shy away from potentially, you know, bringing in some money, but it's much more like contributions to an open source thing than money-making venture. That makes sense. Yeah, I attended, I mean, I looked at the open AI presentation on all of these releases that just came out a couple of days ago or so and I have to revise my opinion on singularity here because you gotta be killing me kind of thing, right? But I'm looking at this more from a perspective of writing that because I have from the get-go when I transitioned into 4.0, looked at programming the AI in the way that I wanted to look at the information I'm putting in. I mean, the questions I'm asking, you know, which is why, for example, put in a morality guide, you know, and the spiral dynamics as a guide and I asked it to respond with level of confidence about statements. And so there's no capacity opens up a whole new field of going further in this kind of customization to what it is, it to the way that you want the AI to look at your questions and respond. So I'm more, I mean, maybe from a writer perspective interested in how this plays out, but it is, you know, it's a big damn jump in complexity here. And yes, it may make it easier, but it really puts the honors on you as a writer to frame what you want to talk about in ways that you get an intelligent response because if you, you know, mess that up or if you put in a criteria that may actually derail, I mean, that may derail what you're trying to get out of it. So the, yeah, in one way for simple tasks, you know, this makes it easier, but if you go into really wanting to take a deep dive into what we know about, you know, very specific technical issues, you have to be really very specific in how you frame that. So I just wanted to sort this in. Yeah, I mean, you have data analysis, game time, the negotiator, creative writing coach and all of that, these are all great things, but they don't really help you a lot to get into. So how does this cover crop business again, play out, you know, in this complex food system, yeah. Excellent. Rick, you put your hand down or does the system put your hand down for you? Did you want to jump in? Well, I just wanted to build on some of the things that I've been experimenting. I'm fascinated using mid-journey. I just started using, I'm a neophyte at Dalai 3. And what I've been doing is putting the question of my blog post and asking it to generate an image. And I provided a link there of one that it came up with. And visual images are incredibly important just to get attention. They have a good question, good visual image. And I'm just playing with it. And, you know, I'd love to learn more about your experience of using mid-journey about creating images that are captivating. So the one I just shared, I mean, I was just, there was a whole bunch of them and I picked out this one and, you know, tweaked it a little bit and thought, wow, that hits the nail on the head for me. If you take a look at that, it's, I was very surprised, very surprised. How good it was, you know? I was just thinking that, you know, sometimes images stand by themselves. They captivate you think, what's that about? What's that about? You know, I'd love to hear about your experience of using mid-journey and creating images for blog posts. If you've done it, yeah, I'd say it is. Yeah, I have a play around with that kind of stuff. I, maybe we should do, you want to do a one-on-one call sometime, right? Yeah, I'd love to, wow, yeah. Let's set it up. Okay. Look at my calendar and, or if there's some better way to coordinate, let's do that. Can you put your link in there so I can, I don't think I've got it. Maybe I, yeah, okay, thank you. Yep. Cool. Just hit me up and we'll get together. Yeah, one other thing that I was going to suggest, and Stuart, I really liked what you talked about, progressive, I mean, I mean, this to me gets at the governance and the meta conversation about what near books are about. And for me, what I'm interested in is how can you create exponential opportunities for accelerated learning about progressive causes? How can we ramp that up? To me, that is so sorely needed. So sorely needed. And to me, there needs to be a seismic shift tied away, whatever metaphor you want to make, but we've got to get our act together and start accelerating learning because there's so many forces taking us to the dark ages. Rather quickly. Real quick, I want to scroll back to Pete's demo and I sat here and, sort of cramped over the keyboard in the car. So Google has been offering these little help me do things smart way and I typed in, create an editorial calendar to publish blog posts and then I click the create button and it did this. Nice. This is just the starting point from one sentence of work. And I'm like, this is pretty damn good. And I will elaborate this and change the names out for us, but I think this is pretty interesting and I'm also thinking there'll be a second sheet in this page, one can be for blog posts and then one can be for new books in progress. And we can sort of catalog some of them here and then reflect that on a page in the massive wiki, but I was blown away by how quickly and how elegantly this showed up and I don't even use tables this well. So I've got to figure out a couple of things about it. It added filtering for any of the headings, it colored the headings a different color. It made some of the columns wide and some narrow, like a whole bunch of four many stuff that is really pretty nice. But I'd show that. Beautiful. Thanks. Reducing the effort for people to do everything. Just to return to the other point I was making, the issue of, I know you've been thinking about it. I don't know how much it's been materializing, but actually coming up with a governance about near books, we sort of, I've heard little pieces about it, but how to pull something together might galvanize people's contributions about a shared governance process. I think that's a great idea. I think Pete has lots of ideas and concerns about how governance and ownership work. And I think we should probably go back to this next week and like make it a bigger topic as part of our conversations, because it is really important. And also having some kind of agreement for how are we doing this together when we do, when we collaborate and we, well, midway through the pandemic, we had a series of calls on something we call the generative commons agreement. It did not wind up creating a generative commons agreement, which was kind of the hope. But I think we turned over a lot of really good soil on this particular topic as well. Right. Because that's the spirit in which NIO books are kind of growing up. Pete, anything you wanna add to that? Yeah, real quick, I was going to put a link to, because I happen to be thinking about it, the NFT Art Marketplace has a pretty well thought out set of cool governance stuff. And they deal with some things that we wouldn't have to. And they're also, they're really doing blockchain DAO and legal entity. Their legal entity is a public of Meridish or something like that because they've got participants all around the world, not because they're trying to hide. But anyway, it's only one small example of a governance document. But thinking through the, I was reading, I actually, I found a bunch of typos. So I did a fork and pull requests back for a bunch of typo fixes. But even things like if we have a governing board that gets deadlocked, how do we break that? If there aren't enough community members voting, how do we have a tiebreaker so we don't get stuck in a weird situation? Very deep technical thing. I've got actually a lot broader, bigger, higher level governance ideas that Jerry and I have talked about and would love to chat more. Cool. I would love to talk about production process, markdown files and HTML and all that kind of stuff. But before that, I've got a suggestion. Klaus, I think your new book is for public consumption, not maybe not in the process of it yet, but it's not private, I think. I wonder if we can make an enlisted GPT with your document as a corpus and start to play with them. Does that sound okay? Yeah, I think I added these couple of pages to it based on the comments from last meeting. So, but I really would like to move on to volume two, which I really, I have to get into it and think about it. Could we take four or five minutes right now and get that GPT started? Would that be a good one? Do you want to just screen share and show us how? Yeah, does that sound like a good... Sounds like a good use of our time. A very good time. So, yeah, so just let me throw out something. To talk someplace, and that is our lack of, quote, diversity in terms of creating a governance structure. It's just... Exactly. Whoo! Yeah, I don't say that in the context of compliance. I say that in the context of we may get a much better product. Exactly, exactly. Yeah. I agreed with you. Thanks. Thank you. Let's all ponder that as well and bring it back into our meetings. Go ahead, Pete. Thanks. The... I guess I won't do it a little bit. I usually just skip this, actually. Let's see. This is where you chat with ChatGPT to make the bot, which is kind of a meta-weird thing, but something that helps people all read and browse and understand the material in our book. I have the class I have book here. So, Food and Agriculture? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I wish I could have done something with the graphics. I mean, I just picked graphics from the available image sites. But I haven't played with the software yet. Food and Agriculture Companion? I'm going to go with that. We can always change it later. So now it's making a profile picture with Dolly 3. I kind of wish... I don't know where in this process you're supposed to upload your corpus. But it's funny. I've done that same book shape with a tree. Looks nice. How about this companion? That companion is sort of... It's like a reading guide, kind of. There are books named Readers Companion to the Bible. We can change it. Just a quick reaction to the title. I'm just interested in the rationale of calling it food and agricultural rather than agricultural food. Companion seems a little soft and it doesn't have a hook because it's renaissance or something that companion doesn't hook me, that's all. Yeah, I feel the same way. Quick ideas to change it? We don't need to get back on this either. No, I'm just saying agricultural food renaissance or something that we need a renaissance in our culture and food policies. It may not be relevant though. The title, in particular, is for the bot version of this book. The word companion is standard right now in the early lives of these bots. Okay. And we could totally pick something else, like assistant or reader's helper or something like that. Let's see. This is interesting. I was explaining this interface to somebody else earlier today. This interface really helps people. ChatGPT has done a fairly good job at getting to the point of how are we going to help people chat with this bot. This interface where they've got a little picture and a set of instructions about what this bot can do and then some sample questions get started. These are completely edited by us. They don't have to be from ChatGPT. But anyway, all of this narrows you down to, oh, I get it. I'm talking about food and agriculture with a bot and these are the kinds of questions I can ask. Can we say like food and agriculture in a change in climate? I would really suggest that we want to have something like bot here. And does that make sense why? Or let me grab a different thing. What I'm doing is going to grab, sorry, it's completely lost. I'm going to go to a weird place, which is Twitter or X, I guess. And we'll look at some, just somebody said these are my favorite bots so far. Designer, GPT, Spotify or Explorer, GPT, Nomad, GPT. So we could call it GPT, Grimoire, GPT. I guess these are... Do you want to call it GPT? We could. I think that's going to be tired and old. So this one, it's interesting. This one doesn't have a, although actually this means kind of bot already. Let's click on another one. The reason I'm doing this kind of weird thing is OpenAI doesn't have a discovery mechanism yet. But this is what another typical bot looks like. I think this is going to be old really fast, but maybe not actually. This would be totally fine. So I would pick something like food and agriculture, GPT would be fine. Do you want to change that food and agriculture? Anything like revolution or renaissance, all of that. It's like, that's not really why I'm here. I'm not here because there's a revolution. I already know that. What I'm really interested in is the contents of this book as it relates to me. So we could say something like there is a renaissance. And we're going to change this. So don't, don't worry too much. I don't know why it's called food and agriculture, but it's like the Sierra Club grassroots networks called food and agriculture. It just flows that way. That's no problem. Unless you want it to be more specific like regenerative agricultural food. People don't really know what that is. So this instructions part. I'm actually going to leave this chat to be wrote this for us. We can give some some guidance about how we want the chat chat bot to act. Assume the user is at a. Sixth grade leaving reading level. Yeah. So as somebody as a, as somebody comes to this thing, are there things that we want the chat bot to either emphasize or try to stay away from to get as we get started with somebody. Yeah, I would say. Translate spiral dynamics. Into into common language. You know, don't talk about orange and green and all because that would just totally confuse people. But you can talk about coupings of people. They are ways to to define that. So I'm going to say. Another thing I'm going to say is prompt the user for what they already know about agriculture. And food and apply to their life. And context. Okay, I'm going to kill these. So what are some questions you would ask if, if let's pretend we're asking somebody like Klaus an expert in food and agriculture, etc. What are some questions we would ask Klaus or classes knowledge. What is the impact of climate change on the food and agriculture. That's a great one. And also the thing to notice is we, we have a, I guess actually this is great. What is the impact of climate change on this great. How can we tell others. What we know, just very briefly is this searching the book or is it searching everywhere and answering these questions. We'll do both. And somehow I didn't go. I'm going to do a weird thing and hear it hit return. I think I've already uploaded the book, even though it doesn't show on that. Let me try it again. It's got instructions to focus on the material of the book as it answers questions. If you ask it something completely off topic and I did this to test. If I ask it a Python question, it'll answer and give me an answer to a Python question. Even though it's not on the book, but other if it's, if it's, you know, so the, this focusing funnel thing here. You know, you need to know about food and agriculture asking questions to help in your life. So, and then these sample questions, these help funnel me to be asking about the book rather than about Python questions. So with this lead in, I'm not going to ask Python questions. Just out of curiosity, could I could I ask the question. What has this book missed out on that needs to be included. So that you can, you know, we don't know what we don't know, so to speak. So can it do external searches. And, you know, look at the book and then look for where it needs additional ideas. So I'm going to leave web browsing turned on and I'll guess I'll leave value turned on. I haven't had much experience with GPT is using these yet. And let's see. So, I've tried to break. I didn't get anything useful out of it. That's good. So one of the questions that that that pops up for me is, are we asking these questions in services in service of quote, completing a publication, or we asking these questions in terms of taking the learning further. And that the letter. Hello. So, let me let me to go over it again to go over it again. In a year or two, instead of reading a book, you're going to go find the right bot to talk to. You're not going to read the book ever. You're going to ask the bot, you know, okay, I need to I actually do need to know about food and agriculture. I'm going to ask you, and it's going to be reading the book for you. So these questions, these are sample questions that a reader can ask. You know, maybe a different way to say that. I know my friend Joanne has read the book. Joanne, I'll tell you what, I'm going to read the book. Don't worry about it. But can I ask you, you know, how does, what's the impact of climate change on food and agriculture. Can you tell me what the book said about that. That's the kind of question that we're asking here. Okay. In this interface, this is a preview of it. If I make changes over here, it's going to refresh this preview, but we can already use it. So, and I can just click on one of these questions. What is the impact of climate change on food and agriculture. So now it's digesting the book, and it's going to answer in classes, you know, knowledge space. What's the impact of climate change on food and agriculture. It has been instructed to call this instead of an uploaded file, it's been instructed to call this knowledge. So when it says searching my knowledge, it's actually reading the uploaded file. I apologize, I'm going to have to bounce and I'll leave the call running. I'll just pass the con repeat. But this is cool. Thanks for doing all the demo on the work here. This is I'm learning a ton. Well, that's the con. Thanks, guys. I'll be right back. There's, there's a point that I want to make. So now just curious, is there a, is there a limit on how much text it will generate and answer response to that. That's a good question. I don't know. You can ask it, you can ask it to frame the response with 800 words. That's an example. You can rewrite this whole thing and rewrite this into 400 words, for example, and it will do that. I, and maybe Rick, Rick might have had the other question, which is, okay, so classes book has 100,000 words or whatever. How much of that is it actually reading to give us this answer. I think I, another one of their opening as an instance was that they had a 128 K token, which is kind of similar words context limit on their new newest version. I don't know that they're actually using that for this, but they've also got a bunch of techniques where they can use chunks of the book and make it into vector embeddings or whatever and do relevance operations and yada yada. So we could be looking at this whole book, and we could actually upload more more books to. So, so our job as a bot creator is to look at this and say, okay, our users asked this question, and the bot read the book and is giving this answer back to the user. And that's what we asked for here as in the user is that sixth grade reading level and try to explain complicated concepts simply. I am not super happy with the way it's done this. This looks fairly complicated to me. So I'm going to try to do this. Would you prompt that whatever's produced there to, because it looks above a sixth grade reading level. I didn't do a good job spelling sixth grade. It's a sixth. Okay. So one thing I want to fix right away is, you know, and actually maybe I don't even want to assume. I think it works pretty well with 12 year old. I'm also going to say answer answer questions with short sentences. I'll tell you, I just tell a very quick story about what Kent told me about when I spoke with him when he was dealing with this 14 year old son who was having to read the Constitution for an exam and he had very little interest to do it. And so he set him up with a bot to allow him to make inquiries about it. And he got engaged. So the big difference is, is the agency of the learner and that they're driving the inquiry process, which is a very different. And the following morning said he tested his son of what he learned and he was impressed with the fact that was it, you know, reading a book can be kind of, you know, particularly if you're not interested in or don't want to read it. But if you have a way of capturing something quickly, I think it's got huge potential actually and activating inquiry and a learning mindset and more open mindedness sound. I completely agree. And I had that experience, even with the single transcript bot that I set up I was there for the call. I listened to the call I got a lot out of it and I sent had a bunch of mental notes to myself. Go back and re listen to this call look for next steps go back and re listen to this call and talk about the prospects for peace. And starting the bot and being able to ask those questions meant that I didn't have to re listen to the whole call and exactly it recall, you know, parts of the call that I had, I hadn't access, didn't have access to it because there was so much material right. But 13,000 words is a lot of stuff to absorb. There's a lot of emotionality to and things like that so the bot. I was really surprised but the bot was a really good interface to, you know, even a tiny corpus like 13,000 words. And I don't know, has anybody read the over story. Pulitzer Prize winner 2018 Richard Powers. It's a, it's a, it's a work of fiction about trees. And the artistry in the writing is just extraordinary. And so I'm just thinking in terms of, and I'm not, I'm not saying good or bad. I'm saying, you know, Jesus, what. What's what are the implications for the incredible artistry of the written word, you know, based upon on what we're talking about. And there's a huge emotional impact that comes out of this book. At least that's my, my experience of it. And I'm only halfway through it. So it's just a really interesting to think about this and the implications of it for, for learning for the artistic process for the Gestalt of the, the teacher, which is what a reader is or an artist, a visual artist. I mean, just wow. It is wow. Go ahead. One of the things I'm sorry, one of the things I really appreciate and your rights to it, it's a big deal. One of the things I and the metaphor I have is remember when people used to make furniture by hand and it was beautiful and it was a work of art. Yeah. So now you can go buy a piece of furniture at IKEA for 50 bucks or whatever. It's not a work of art. But everybody can buy, you know, millions of copies of the furniture. So I don't know what's, and you can still go to a fine art, you know, furniture store and and find a craftsman who's and now he has to charge more she has to charge more because her, her, you know, her ability to sell it. Now she's going to art aficionados and not people who just need furniture. The, the thing that I really appreciate with, especially for me mid journey, but also with with chat to BT is the interactivity back to what Rick was saying. Interacting with art is just like I've learned so much art history and art knowledge over my, you know, six months with mid journey that I would never have had access to. It's a weird thing because I'm actually doing art that's a lot of times better than the artists could have done, you know, 100 years 200 years ago, or I can do more of it or I can do lots of different ways I can, you know, look at it from lots of different angles. So that that interactivity with a creative space is it, it, you know, it's, it raises the bar from, you know, I'm looking at a painting in a museum to I've like thought through this painting and tons of different ways and I've made the Cubist version of it and the Impressionist version of it and, you know, zoomed out zoomed in. So it's, I, there, there is that thing where a, you know, like the overstore it sounds like a beautiful work of art right and you do want to have people have those emotional engagements with like real human generated art. So this doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't mean that we can't do that but it means that we won't do it maybe as much as we should. Yeah, I mean, and also as I think about it, you know, so, so, you know, many of us thought that, you know, one of the key concepts in in in education and in transformation and shifting people's perspective is how do we, how do we educate in a fast way, a huge segment of the population to think differently. And, and, and so if you give a skeptic let's say, you know, this tool to be able to drill down well what about this and what about this and what about this, it's a beautiful vehicle to be able to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So, so once again it's back to the idea that, you know, okay we've got this great tool. How do we use it, how do we use it for good. Exactly. So I'm going to have to go but I agree with entirely how can we, how can we create learning experiences that liberate people from their reductionist, dichotomous, emotionally reactive, mindless, sort of, you know, situations where they actually can regain sovereignty over their, over their, and overcome their indoctrinations. Absolutely. Yeah, but they said it on Fox News or MSN. It was great. This works. So, I'm going to post the link to this in Mademoiselle. Okay, thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks everybody. Thank you much. Thanks Pete. Thanks Pete. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.