 What up fam does Anthony dream Johnson president of the Manusphere CEO of the red man group founder 21 studios the 21 convention the 22 convention and Other interesting stuff. I make up as I go along over the course of 13 years now Today we have a very special episode of the red man group episode 100 Technically, we've actually had more than 100 episodes because we don't usually count the live ones at the 21 convention as part of the main series But officially and formally this is episode 100 a big milestone So in today's episode we're gonna talk about the history and future of the red man group the different panelists and topics We've got in the show and all that kind of fun jazz and together as a group. We're gonna talk about the future Both as panelists we have six of us on today including myself. They'd be more actually and We'll go from there so joining me on today's episode 100 special super duper anniversary edition is DDJ the one and only doomsday Jesus is back You know more badass and fresher than ever Ken Curry from solid man.com. He's a licensed marriage and family therapist and has been in the show many many times at this point Both in person and online and you can find him at solid man.com Steve the Dean Williams you guys know from the red pill mindset and of course, he's at the man mindset.com Host of the show and everything else like that And hunter drew from the family alpha calm and we just got evolved Phil Phil Foster you guys can find him on Twitter. I think that evolved Phil if I'll put the link in the in the bio Hunter by the way is a founder of family alpha as well as the co-founder of the fraternity of excellence Sponsor the show you can sign up through a link in the description And I think you can use a coupon code RMG for 10% off, but look in the description for details on that Gentlemen, thanks for joining me. I'm excited to talk today and not die from coronavirus I Was everybody done good Talk to me about what you've had going on guys before we get more into the RMG history and future DDJ you'd be gone for a while What's going on bro? Everybody's been bitching at me like where's DDJ bring it back? Actually, you know, I I decided that I needed to do more than just make videos and kind of sit behind the scenes So I helped form a law firm in Denver that is focused on helping men through family law as well as fighting default DV allegations and doing constitutional civil rights and so be looking for us to be possibly shortly filing a lawsuit against the city and County of Denver and Challenging sanctuary cities I've also been working with what I believe is the number one law firm in the country representing men Which is the law office of Melissa Isaac and I've been working with her pretty closely as far as trying to do the same thing As well because she's been doing it for I want to say like 10 15 years And she's probably the premier family law attorney in the country right now So we've been taking some cases around the country where she's barred and where the other attorneys are barred So we can start helping men and so that's part of the reason I've been offline because I've been burning the candle at both ends to try to get these things set up because like while I think that making the videos is important I also believe going out there and actually doing something in addition is just as important and since I have the skill set I might as well use it Fuck yeah Welcome back Ken. Hi, we've been up to you man. I see you got a new updated podcast background here Yeah, Salman branding looks like a new microphone guys work gonna hold the whole works man. What's going on? Well, yeah, that's part of what my world is trying to advance and develop and expand into more of an online presence And that's been a big thing Definitely I got my my local practice is really working We're gonna see how all this coronavirus stuff actually makes a difference with meeting with people I don't know. We'll see what happens But it's good to kind of be online and trying to figure out a lot of this stuff out Hunter was helping me with a couple things this last week and just trying to figure this stuff out So hopefully it's gonna grow and build and got a lot of plans for this whole online stuff for sure Nice. Yeah, I know you mentioned that to me a while ago a few months ago And I'm happy to see you moving forward that and how a hunter helping you out to fuck. Yeah. Yeah better All right, Phil we've been up to you man. I haven't talked in a while Yeah, it's just been pretty busy as of late Actually out of town this weekend so I'm down in San Antonio out of the DFW area and I'm just getting some things settled and it's been working real hard. We're getting ready to move this next month and Getting ready to launch the brand that I've been working on and slowly moving towards day by day incrementally Still tightening up the website and getting all that ready as far as you know hormones Nutrition and training and whatnot so I just kept me really busy Obviously for a while and yeah, you're right. We haven't talked in a little while. So it's good to see you guys and Kicking ass hundredth episode or hundred congratulations to you hard work on your part man And it's just great to see you carrying on and Put next man putting your foot forward man. It's great. Good shit I love the advice of you. You've told me several times keep your foot on the gas pedal, man You're just like I can hear you like cheering me on like yelling it at me like keep your foot on the fucking gas pedal That's that's the only way to go man fucking intensity, right? You got to have it and You know, there's so many frigging haters and shade throwers in this world, you know, and when when you're doing something great especially for your fellow man There's no other way to be than to be intense with it and just keep keep fucking going man screw the rest man Yeah, it's amazing how much hate you can get men for wanting to help men and fathers and even women obviously that That was a huge shit show, you know what? You know what though? Here's the thing screams of haters make great theme music. So, you know hashtag Yeah, man another another big announcement I got for myself is finalized all my My court stuff with the ex-wife and I I finally finished up that and came away with full custody of my daughter Oh, wow So congratulations, man. That's a big win. Yeah, awesome. I would clap but I Fuck yeah, man So that's that's that had me tied up a little bit as well And but it worked out for the best and you know, she's living with me and I could ask for no more You know a lot of guys out there. They say, uh, you can't do it. It's impossible And I'm here to tell you there's definitely ways you can work the system to To your advantage. You just got to learn how to play the game a little bit, you know How many years did that take if you remind me asking? So I've been divorced from that lady for 11 years and I positioned myself in the initial divorce proceedings to where No child support 50 custody and then just slowly it's kind of like space invaders. You know how they come at you You know, you just got to you got to play this incremental game For some time and let give them enough rope to hang themselves. So it actually took start to finish Eight and a half years Wow so The ground war You know, it's like horse races, you know, like a horse race, you know, the jockeys whipping the horse And that's kind of like what you got to do in this situation is you almost have to you have to whip your race horse Just enough to where it's going to run hard but not peter out And uh, it's a game of money obviously and it was a very costly game But it's worth it in the end. I mean, they're your children You know, if you got a basket case ex-wife like I do Uh, you have no option but to do what's best for your children first and foremost, you know Because once again, that's your legacy and you know, we can get off into that all day long But the the the thing is is, you know, you got to mitigate damage and figure out ways to Get them to hang themselves and that's what I basically did Well, and when you're a parent too, I think the most important thing is that it's your children, right? It's your family. It's it's your personal legacy and it's your responsibility And I think it's interesting because there's a lot of fathers out there and i'm not kicking anybody under the bus I'm just saying but there's a lot of fathers out there who they become fathers and they don't Put their children as their priority. They don't put their family as a priority So, you know, my hat's absolutely off to you Um, or in this case my sombrero because of my avatar And uh, yeah, no good fight man. Congratulations. Well deserved Thank you. Yeah, that is amazing man the dedication and fortitude and persistence that go eight and a half years Never mind the preceding couple. I'm sure that was a nasty tube working out standard divorce, but That's amazing. That's a really long. That's a fucking decade basically invested into this and who knows how much money I know I have a personal friend who dropped over $50,000 fighting for custody for his child And that was over the course of like three maybe three years not even Absolutely. It's a nasty game and you just got to you got to learn to Roll with the pigs almost In a sense to uh to come out on the other side clean and win and that's just the that's just the nature of the beast, you know Yeah Jesus man Steve what do you got going on man? I welcome back to the show. I know you had the red man mindset Repel mindset the other night. That was exciting. I heard it was good very good things, man I saw the smith on the uh on the thumbnail Yeah Same thing man. Just like everybody else just kicking out shows man. That's it man We've been doing the same old thing cutting along grind. That's it. Yes, sir Nice. Fuck. Yeah Hunter welcome back to the show man. It's been a little while we need to we need to catch up They were talking to the day we need to do to happen to call man You had your uh foe meet up a few weeks ago right in florida Yeah, that's pretty well Yeah, talking about that that looked that saw pictures and stuff man looked dope. It was great Now we had phil so that that helped, you know, definitely having his truck because our ass is good We got rained out So it was it was awesome a bunch of dudes getting together a lot of the men It was their first time getting away from the family, you know being able to just do a vacation for themselves A lot of development. I mean that's what if we does the guys are meeting up all the time So it's pretty cool to instead of like two or three getting dinner getting like 20 25 30 together to go do some Stuff together and it's you get that many men together and you're like, oh, there's got to be issue Man, there's no issues. Everybody had a great time. Everybody worked together. Everybody asked the questions They got some one-on-one some hands-on experience. It was a good time. We did a lot of cool things Between that I'm running met a march, you know, I got the podcast going It's busy. That's actually why I text you. I feel like we hadn't spoken in like months But it's probably like two weeks But it feels like freaking forever when you're constantly going and going and going So taking a moment to get that one-on-one a phone call in That's important friends family just to check in Yeah, two weeks in internet time as an entrepreneur is like two years Well, maybe that's a little exaggeration, but yeah, it's amazing. A fast time fly is now you're running an online business And you have meetups and family and all these things. It's nuts, dude. It's good though Yeah, glad you're doing one man. Glad foe is going strong. You know, it really reminds me. Um I know kendis something similar to up in like a meetup up in Denver But back on the day the pickup artist community was really big on this these little meetups Sometimes it'd be like three or four guys sometimes in Orlando. There was a big one Tampa Orlando, we had the top player and we had up to like 30 40 guys sometimes do meetups And we called we had approachathons. It was called. We got basically Basically a harass woman in public like these these stupid pickup artists open. I have pictures and shit Yeah, universal studios and city walk and all around all around Orlando. There's so many places to do it But it really feels like an evolution to that the manager is kind of like A history, you know history repeating itself like a cycle, but it's very positive And I think it's awesome. You guys are doing that. I almost went up there You know, I was talking to you guys when you had the meetup going on It was it was just such a fucking huge drive and I was actually the flu and that was going on Well, I assume it was the flu You have to have we know Yeah Hunter when is your next meetup for foe and do you have one of the summer planned or what's going on? We do august so we're looking to dial that one in and I'm looking to As I was talking to Phil about this getting some a little more regional ones going around So we're going to be traveling a little bit more hitting a few local pockets of men You know, it's it's looking it's looking good, man It There are so many guys coming together looking to do good and sometimes whatever reasons the main meetup They can't get out. You know, you got to kind of show those guys some love So we're going to try to get their way meet up with them And you know not leave them out, but it's it's cool, man It's there's nothing replaces these live meetups. I mean we have guys in there doing AR builds We have guys showing up. They're doing obstacle course races Like every man are meeting up all the time doing these awesome freaking things And that's what's missing in a lot of men's lives is that they don't do the thing You know, it's cool to to see each other right now, you know through a screen It's cool to chat on twitter and you know, we've got our private chat group But nothing replaces physical world connection. Nothing Shaking a man's hand looking in the eye. That's when it's real and that's what we try to do as much as possible Yeah, man I I feel you man I even have attendees that I talked to on the phone or through email and stuff from the 21 convention and a lot of them there was even a new one that almost went to your meetup because They just don't have any meetups like that And they tell me that's what they want and they see 21 con is an opportunity to do that but At most we do three a year and that's a lot I usually it's just like one or two or something like that So I actually was telling them to go to your thing and as a kind of a substitute in the meantime Because there's not that many opportunities to do it, you know, as we know the bowling alleys are gone this, you know, the The barber shops are gone the cigar loungers are dying out men don't have these kind of physical meetups anymore And I agree a million percent the face-to-face is huge Guys always tell me it's about 21 con it's their it's the favorite thing not the speeches Which is cool But they get to like hang out with all the speakers and all the other attendees for days And that face-to-face interaction. I think there's a lot of like psychology behind it too Like frontal lobe stuff when you meet people face-to-face It builds a lot deeper connection. Maybe kind of you can tell us about that It's fucking brutal, you know, like if you have feelings, don't go to those meetups Do you know it's like as soon as you wake up somebody's talking shit about you to you or something You just bustin balls the entire time like there's no bro. I'm red pill. I don't have feelings. Are you kidding me? Hey, they come from ovaries Jesus Yeah, I can't talk to me about that before happened the history like I when I cite science and these are just things I've read and I believe in to a good extent, but I don't understand I won't pretend to understand the actual psychology and neurochemistry behind it or anything like that Yeah, and I don't think you have to understand any of that I think it's uh more of a pragmatic thing that we know That when guys get together and talk and hang out and you know bust each other's balls or Or support each other when something difficult's happening. I mean it makes a huge difference I'm sure Phil's gone through something really powerful there And and during those unknown uncertain periods, man, you need guys around you and having men in your life Is a really powerful thing. Um, just be able to have the face to face the I mean, it has to be you have to have it in your life because the guys that miss having those men Um, man, you miss something so powerful in your life I mean like you said the science is saying it the Psychologists are saying it everybody's saying we need people in our lives And the whole thing of twitter or facebook or anything online It's good. It connects people you learn something, but it's just not the real thing And we need the real thing and we need the support of guys around us. Um, I talked about guys. I'd gotten this from Clint hurdle. He's a Major league baseball manager. He was here at the Rockies for a while And one of his things was that every man needs a mount rushmore That we need four men in our lives that are solid and when you say You know, I've got my mount rushmore I think of the four at least four guys that I have who are in my life who are Supporting me and they know my shit and and um, and if something's happening, they're there with me Whether it's moving furniture or whether it's going through a cancer diagnosis Those guys are there with me and having that face to face and having things like, you know, the 21 or Hunters meet-ups. That's where these relationships are built and we just absolutely need it Yeah, it feels very tribal like you mentioned a pragmatic level. You can understand it to me that almost sounds like a common sense Even evolutionary approach to sure happiness and health Is these these tribes whether it's, you know, hunter's effoey or 21 con Cobertate they have like war room meet-ups every once in a while And I agree like they're really important and they don't they're not happening outside of the man's sphere too much There's like sports things obviously in religious events, but those are not I don't think it's the same thing. They're not secular like these are for all men like hunter's thing Yeah, and I was going to say too. I mean to kind of weigh in here Um, you know in the mig talk community There's been a huge push for social isolation and I've talked against this for quite some time I think that you really don't even get to know somebody until you're actually in their personal space and you've met them face to face physically And that's where you start to get to know them and see what they're really made of and at some level What you're really made of like ken said But I think that you know this big push or this idea that people like men shouldn't be meeting up and men should Be self-isolating and you know and men shouldn't docks themselves to other people I really think that that you know in in 99.9 of the cases That's false wisdom and I think that you know being able to have those friendships and being able to say Yeah, I can pick up the phone and call somebody or you know I can go and get together and meet with my friends and have that face-to-face interaction and communication That's important because you know, it's like what what drew said, you know, if if you're a pussy don't show up Well, you're as men we constantly task each other We constantly harass and and practice rail rail re with each other because we want to make sure that number one You know that that's how men bond men bond And so I think that You know when it comes to getting together That's a crucial aspect of life and male spaces since feminism has kind of taken the forefront Has really destroyed a lot of male spaces and fraternities that have been out there So the fact that the the mana sphere is creating this resurgence with you know, um, the fraternity of excellence For example or for like with what's ken's doing and what some of these other people are doing This is absolutely crucial because men need male spaces where we can grow and learn And test our theories and test test our beliefs. Yeah Fuck yeah Yeah, I'm happy to do it guys with my thing too. Obviously 21 since that was my initial vision people asked me consistently You know how the convention started what motivated me And it was very simple. I was very young, you know 17. I sucked with girls I wanted to get fixed that because I didn't like that And basically the idea for 21 con was a meetup. It was just like very similar to what hunter's doing It wasn't supposed to be like this conference We weren't like outdoors or anything like that rooting up head on women in Orlando But uh, that very quickly from the attendees, you know, the guys that were coming to it that said they would show up Just by rsvp, they didn't even buy a ticket They encouraged me to have speakers and find a hotel room and then someone volunteered to do video and audio And before I knew it we had an actual conference at a holiday in in Orlando in a conference room Uh similar actually right near what we did the conferences last year um on iDrive there And then of course here we are 13 years later with all these different brands and podcasts and interviews and speeches and events and speakers and it's like It's this wild ride I'm excited to see where events like uh foe and you know communities like that go and kens thing Because these things man if they snowball over time I think it's like it's the face-to-face interactions and everything that we're talking about these That networking effect like it gets bigger and bigger and bigger as time goes on So that's been my experience. Anyway, and I imagine that hunter isn't gonna go through that and anyone also gets a group together like that So anthony with that thinking of the the evolution of this whole thing. It started off like what you're describing But now I mean this is where you're wanting this whole episode to be is kind of thinking of the How this is gone from one place to the next and then where it's going So when you're thinking about that it feels like to me that there has been a mission that's developed where it might have might have kind of uh It's shown up so to speak but it feels like that there's something going on that's created a pretty significant purpose And and kind of uh, there's something happening here. It's not just meeting up. It's just not the conversations There's something greater Bigger going on. What do you think that is or how would you describe it? Yeah So I would describe it from two perspectives one being deeply personal to me as the founder and the CEO My companies are not just you know corporations and stuff, but they are Founder led which is unique and special. I think one of my one of the capital guys are billionaires. I follow on this You know co-founder of PayPal is Peter teal. I think they say his name And he talks about companies that are still founder led years and decades in And it has it is a different uh different vibe to it the same way if steve jobs is still alive today Leading apple instead of tim cook or someone like that So you mentioned though that the developing angle too and I like that a lot because you know For example making woman great again is now one of the missions of 21 studios through the 22 convention And that is so far Not removed, but that is such a significant evolution. It's multi. It's there's multiple layers between the origin of the company in the event The basically event that turned into a media company into an events company and all that And then now we're the entire audience is different. We're now talking to women And it's a whole different mission from speaking to young men Which then turned into all men which then turned into fathers and husbands like with the patriarch edition last year So, yeah, it's it's just amazing to see that keep going and keep evolving and developing And I think it's gonna I think it's a very good sign too I think it's easy to get stuck like people want you to pick like a mission and then stick to it And not evolve on that. I don't like that I will stick to fundamentals and principles when and where I believe they need to be at But for example, when I started the company, it was much more the event It was much more focused on pickup and basically self improvement with dating in that mind There was a little bit health and fitness, but that was like 10 that was like one speech at the first event So even that though in 2009 when I got away from that Um, I added like, you know, two speeches on health and fitness Because there was actually a lot of pushback to that a lot of the pickup bar disguise didn't like that the attendees They were uh, maybe not the attendees But the guys who wanted to attend and they saw the conference as a vessel for that They were really pissed off. I would even deviate from pickup artistry at all And now, of course, that's been kind of a cornerstone is the ongoing Development of the company and the mission that keeps getting more and more comprehensive But still has fundamentals at root And I would say some of the the core fundamentals of the company are like people look at making women great again And patriarch addition all this stuff I would say some of the core fundamentals are really just masculinity and femininity And improving those and increasing those and men and women and healing those Like healing gender relations, which I think you're collapsing in America on the west So yeah, there's so much to it. It's just nuts, man Like it's I really need to write a fucking book on everything that's happened, which I might be doing pretty soon Um on a personal level they'll say that And I talked about this in an email not too long ago newsletter to all the attendees and fans But you know, I had a very very traumatic abusive violent childhood it was like absolute chaos at a really At a really unusual level because I think in most cases this level of chaos and violence It would have been like a bubble that popped Someone getting arrested and actually going to jail for a long time Stuff like that. So there would have been mechanisms. I think that would have stopped this from occurring But it didn't And so my childhood was really traumatic and bizarre like that Uh, there's definitely worse than america and around the world, of course, but it was it was pretty bad But I think what that means is I was uh very under fathered and under mothered Uh had like really deeply immature parents That were it's really bad parents basically that couldn't take care of their children And you guys as speakers have basically been helping me refather myself You guys are sort of father figures to me explicitly And I think that's how a lot of the attendees and the fans of the channel and stuff from the red man group in 21 convention That's how they use you guys too. They know that's even how they see you to an extent Your mentors for them over the internet and then in person when they go to the conferences And that's special I think you know the entire and I think I think that's why the convention in 21 studios and red man group have been speaking And reaching so many millions of people Now women too, but even of course men before that Uh, you know the millennial generation in particular I think we had we're the first generation to have multiple layers of You know feminist blue pill crap which leads to You know these hyper equal households with no one leading it like there's no father led masculinity to it Which is kind of the downfall of the family and all these other fucking problems from single motherhood to Uh promiscuous behavior and all this crap that we say the degeneracy as ellie hulse would call it. Yeah the degenerate So I think I'm just I think I'm just um I'm just a more intense example of what's happening culturally and socially to millions and millions of young men and women They don't know how to be masculine. They don't know how to be feminine They've been taught the opposite to live these androgynous, generous lives It's not even okay these days, you know till recently. It's been uh improper to say like like I saw for examples is funny But I saw michelle obama and a video that someone shared. She was calling harvey weinstein Uh, you know just got sent to jail for fucking You know rape and sexual harassment whatnot. She was calling him like a great human being Which of course is its own she did this on video you can see it and she was when she was first lady Who knows when it was 2014 or something like that? So of course all the everybody who doesn't like her sharing this video. Okay, great. Well, well, you got to understand though That's just one dude supporting another Well, yeah, but hang on a second. So what's interesting about the video I don't really want to get into the harvey weinstein crap right now, but she called him not in this speech It was you know the white house or something She called him not a great man, but a great human being And I think that's really systemic to the entire culture right now that We're at a point where it's not even appropriate or proper to say anymore It's not socially proper to say man, you know, a great man or a great woman We have to degender and neutralize everything which is really I think disgusting and and dangerous So I don't know where this rant's going at this point, but you guys are fucking great And there's a lot of you there's half a dozen of us here on the show now But really there's 150 of us more at this point Speakers and actually counting red man group panelists There's even there's dozens more that we found on the show. Well See that's been a wild ride And I think I guess my my fundamental point here is that I'm at a position that really reflects on What millions of young men and women and older men and women are experiencing in the country right now different degrees depending on How the childhood went and how their youth went what kind of issues they had toxic relationship divorce all these things And it's just amazing to put it all together and lead it and Use it to help myself Which is how the conference started like I wanted to get better with women And then I found out a lot of dudes also thought that was a great idea because they also sucked with women And here we are, you know 13 years later Still going still kicking strong stronger than ever. I'd say much bigger And I like what you're saying anthony because well, I don't like it It's a horrible thing where we find ourselves and that's in a in a world of fatherlessness And and that that our voices or our strength or our presence here the things that you do at the 21 convention The things that you know, steve's doing his thing for two hours or whatever You know the guys are eating that up because it's like this is a father speaking to me telling me what life's all about telling me What I'm all about and that that's a really powerful thing because we don't have that And most people don't have a sense of of having had a father And so strengthening that strengthening people by Being a really strong voice like that. It's anathema because it it's like, oh You know fatherhood is is not seen as something that's that's okay. And that's why we find ourselves in this spot And so it's awesome having the posture or the place or the the context to be able to to actually father People in our in our world in a way that it could never happen Yeah, it's it's amazing how we can do all this stuff with the podcasting and and this thing we're doing right now and And all that it's amazing that we're able to have that kind of influence because it's just a beautiful thing to build somebody's heart and soul into strength Well, like I Go ahead I would say before the internet, you know, they always talked about six degrees of separation One of the advantages about having the internet is now those six degrees are gone We can reach out to one another all the way across the world and go out and have coffee meet with each other online Send emails back and forth and foster friendships across the world That very few people used to do but I mean I remember, you know, like in the 1900s For example, people would write each other letters of introduction and they would start communicating You know via snail mail snail mail and sometimes these conversations would go for months just to have a conversation We can now do instantaneously Online so we kind of get a feel for some of these people Before we meet them, but then we get together and we meet them and it's a whole different program I mean, you know, I went down and spent a few weeks with anthony We met face to face And you know, so it was easy for us to kind of take each other's measure So, you know, I think that you know when these things happen again This goes back to What hunter and everybody else was saying about you have to be able to meet face to face You have to be able to you know Really spend some time with these people and get to know them and then be able to to really assess who they are as individuals And be able to bring those mail spaces back because that's really one of the things we don't have anymore Is it mail spaces have all been destroyed except for what? Everybody's created here through the 21 convention through the fraternity of excellence through, you know All these groups that everybody are creating the manifest itself is a huge Illustration of us. I think yeah Exactly and I think that when it comes to that people people understand. Okay, you know, yeah This is this is something important and it's good to get behind But I also think it's important too and anthony you kind of hit the nail on the head with this with the whole make women Great again. Is it you know women have been victimized by this, you know, feminist indoctrination this leftist indoctrination as well You know, there are a lot of women out there who you know They want to be in a relationship and they want to be able to have a You know committed relationship with a man, but they've been so deeply indoctrinated that they're always waiting the monkey branch to the next one and so finding finding a woman who's capable of of You know breaking that and and and actually doing the whole, you know commitment wife mother thing In in a lot of ways is a bit more difficult for the average man And so having these male spaces to really help mentor men and you know, basically having steel sharp and steel I think is extremely important Yeah, fuck. Yeah One thing I wanted to mention too that just came to mind here in the different, you know, you guys talk about this My experience I think it's basically there's a lot of complexity to being under fathered or fatherlessness And even being under mothered not having good role models in your life as a young child Or even a teenager and whatever, but we don't I haven't heard that talked about too much I just wanted to bring that up So obviously you have, you know, these single mother households that are becoming that have increased through the roof Single motherhood now our single parenthood is at like 40 percent or something like that for children Whereas a hundred years ago is at two percent So this has been an explosion of this over the past century But you know lack of a father in a home is one example that you guys deal with that You guys have clients and customers and things like that and fans who They're in the 20s or whatever and they grew up in a single parent household single mother household But then beyond that like in my case, my parents are still married today So I didn't have that what I did have was a present but very negative and hostile example of masculinity and of a father Other guys can relate to that too their their parents or parent were in their lives They weren't you know thrown to the grandparents or the foster care system, which has its own set of problems, obviously But you know there's there can be negative but present examples too and then obviously you have the present example Who's uh low masculinity the beta dad? You know billy beta bob or whatever Who doesn't teach us on how to be masculine because the dad doesn't know himself Or he's at least if he just he knows that he's been indoctrinated to not live it So there's a lot of complexity in different ways this can go wrong And then the the outcome or you know young men and women who don't know how to be men and how to be women The dj head in that too. I mean that was that was a good point Young women didn't fed blue pill crap too and it really ruins their lives It just looks different with cat hair and wine and stuff right. It's funny, but it sucks Yeah Well, and I was also going to say too that that I think the other thing that that is often missing We did a stream about this I think last year where we talked in depth about the importance of the extended family I mean, you know feminists try to create this false dichotomy of being single or being a part of the nuclear family And really both are wrong I think that the extended family is absolutely crucial because a lot of people can't be able You know, they're just unable to raise their children by themselves You know the father needs the grandfather and the uncles to kind of help mentor him The mom needs the other women in the family to kind of help her out Plus, you know mom and dad need their time alone So, you know having relatives being able to watch those children so that mom and dad can focus on that relationship I think is extremely important But also it's important for the children as well because you know The children can talk to the aunts and the uncles and the cousins and be able to have that good communication And be able to you know have that good mentorship as well because sometimes if you you know as a child If you can't talk to your parent, but you have another family member you can talk to that's extremely important And it's the same for for every member of that that nuclear family that extended family is absolutely crucial I believe To the survival of the family and to the return of the family and so, you know, and Anthony's got his picture here of his Dude, I love being an uncle is the coolest thing man. I love my nephew so much. He's amazing It's been it's been really uh life changing for a minute to have to just have him be around them Yeah, I'll talk about that after you're done, but it's that's why I'm showing him off here. He's amazing Oh, yeah, yeah, no, but that's the importance of it, right? I mean again It's at that extended family. So, you know this idea of nuclear family being enough I mean sometimes it has to be enough. So, you know, we've got to have strong community ties But you know, really the goal should be focusing on Creating a strong extended family so that you know our family legacies can continue I think that you know, that's that's super crucial. I can back that up a million percent man You know when I mentioned like release valves or mechanisms that would stop Just the the really fucked up childhood. I had for me and my siblings. It wasn't just me. I have three siblings, too Uh, one of those could be like law enforcement actually laws being enforced jail time things like that But beyond that extended family and my extended family did repeatedly try to step in and even they were thwarted But that was in one part because some of my a lot of my relatives lived across the country They lived in new jersey rather than in florida But my uncle tried man would for a good example My uncle is he was a lot older than my mom and he actually tried in the beginning and throughout To protect us to help us out and do what he could And the situation was just so fucked up that he he was not able to get through and get that done But I remember the effort the effort was real and the same for his wife my aunt And I'll never forget that even to this day Um, very very thankful for that and I can feel that now with my own nephew Like I want to make sure that he has the best life that he can and I can do what I can for him As an uncle to help out him my sister and the father So yeah, it's extended family is extremely important And the closer you can get to them the closer you can maintain those relationships and those bonds the better Um, I'm just I'm very thankful. I had the relationship I do with my uncle I may have grown up and my cousins and stuff like that And without them that would have been even worse. I think my life would have been a lot worse You know, I mentioned to you in the email I sent the other day when I first talked to Richard Grandin one of our speakers It focuses on psychology and and trauma and stuff like that He was surprised when I told him kind of as the basic outline what happened in my life growing up That I wasn't in jail or a drug addict and stuff like that Uh, and the reality is like my little brother for example has been through a lot of this stuff I've seen him in ICU with three gunshots on him one of one of them went right through the neck For trying to deal drugs and stupid shit like that And I didn't obviously turn out this way my life's been a lot different I've been an entrepreneur full time since I was 17 years old So at his age he was in the hospital, you know, three bullet holes through him And I was building a business at that point so different life paths and uh Yeah, it's this wild shit Be extended family for the windman. It's um, I really have my little sister has another one on the way too To solve another niece or nephew pretty soon pretty excited. Nice Yeah, it really gets me excited to have my own children someday like the absolute positivity you feel in regard for A lot of human being like this is just amazing man. What's your own blood? I mean, it's it's one thing when you know, you know, Socrates is a daughter I got to know, you know, Elizabeth grace grown up And um, that's been amazing, but she's not my blood So it's a little different and having enough use has been totally eye-opening man I understand. I think it's a A mini version of what you guys go through his father's the the regard you feel for your children And uh, it's awesome. I'm very jealous of you guys. You guys have kids, especially hunter my age. You fucker It's fantastic. Honestly, I everything's on the the positive dude You can't help but be having a good time and smiling I mean life's too easy and it's too short and I'm having a blast man. So make those babies Yeah, I'm doing me and soccer still trying to figure out how to rope you and have more kids, dude Knocked Jackie up man Be helped patriarch my tanner and those guys Yeah, man So I want to talk a little bit about the history of the red man group kind of a basic overview for the new fans Who aren't familiar with it even some of the older fans are not Too familiar with it. So let's get that going So just a quick overview. I don't get into too much details, but we can be candid where where it's appropriate The first episode of the red man group aired on february 10th 2018 on 21 studios Rola Tomasi one of the co-founders and I have been talking for a little while About doing a kind of group chat like this And it was interesting to me. Obviously we allowed the speakers to pull from with 21 convention guys. He knew So it kind of just came about organically talking like that And it was me ryan stone rollo rich cooper and black label logic were the first panelist After that, I think this is on saturday. We made it into a weekly thing And there's you know, even more we can get into I think where rollo got the idea in part Either on his own stuff or 321 was this Where we did 21 convention podcasts for years starting in 2014. I was faced at the end of that podcast right there What is that four fingers in that good? I was a mess Yeah, yeah him and socket a whole drinking fight here and Socrates one. Oh Yeah So we did we did um we started these in 2014 and then we did some there's some youtube ones too And I really like the idea of a podcast like this in person at the conventions It obviously made sense to utilize all the flights and the logistics of putting you guys together It felt like a waste to not do group stuff So this is kind of the beginning of it. This is film in 2017 There ones like this in 2014 as well the old speakers And that's the online ones too, but the problem I always had as an entrepreneur is I knew the branding I mean not immediately, but I figured out and probably like 2015 I was like the branding is hard to get down on this We had like 21 radio is a brand for it, for example, and then the 21 convention podcast, but Neither of those quite stuck like 21 convention is its own thing But it's built up a legacy on its own through millions of views But again a podcast going the branding and the name wasn't really down Uh, I just kind of knew it wasn't it didn't have the zing to it in the ring That like 21 convention had and other podcasts So at the end of the day, that's one of the reasons I agree to do it The role is I really like the idea of having 21 studios having a podcast like this but with much better branding and momentum And this ultimately I think is what turned into this which then of course turned into us now So that's been going on now since February 10th 2018 first episode And here we go too. I want to show you guys too for any fans. I haven't seen it But they'll go on the channel red man group or 21 studios You can see we've done these at the events too. The first one was actually in 2018 This is 2019 the spring at the patriarch edition And uh, these are pretty advanced. This is the first time we had these filmed at 4k through camera angles I think we had six seven panels on here at jack murphy myself donovan sharp course bobby dino rollo was on there and Ken Kerr, no Ken Kerr is on another one later that day George Bruno's on this one too So this is like kind of like the real a comparative version of the view but for men Without any of the feminist loser thinking So it's pretty exciting to put it together and the live ones are my favorite I think they're really powerful because it's face to face like we talked about So the speakers get to ping off each other really fast And everything goes much quicker like this one's only 68 minutes But it feels like a good two hours because everything's at so fast pace. There's no internet delay No audio issues video issues bullshit like that So these are some of my favorite and we filmed these again 2018 2019 patriarch We filmed two of them in poland those have an audio issue. We got to fix but it's not too bad And then we filmed I think three two or three In florida last year. So we still got to roll more of those out But I think all the patriarch ones are out now or most of them Um, let me see too. Oh, yes. I wanted to tell you guys as well. I don't need the uh That up for it So for those of you don't know the red man group is a company and it did not start as a company when we had uh Where is it? When we had you know, when we started it it wasn't a business. It was just like a show we wanted to do Not long after that, uh, let's do this fucking stream yard Not long after that the show, uh, you know, rollo without consulting me bumped it to richard cooper's channel back and forth We're all in good terms at the time. So I was like, whatever But basically it bounced back and forth back and forth for a long time till the summer By summertime it had built up between 21 studios channel, which is pretty big and then cooper's channel Which is pretty big and it built up a sizable audience And at that time in the summer of 2018 is when rich and rollo approached me about building it into a business Actually forming it into a company and things like that And I was actually very skeptical of that Uh, I figured it might create some complexity and potential problems. Nothing like when it ended up happening I did not anticipate that But it's very common in entrepreneurship circles, so to speak to know that partnerships have problems. It's very very common Almost any attorney or cpa that you talk to that has any experience will tell you partnerships have problems 80 90 of the time So I was hoping it would go well and I was skeptical that we should do it I thought it was kind of better to bounce it back and forth between the channels keep it informal But at the end of the day, they're both pretty adamant about it and I was like, fuck it I'll put it together because cooper lived in canada. So he didn't know how to do like an american company And then rollo had no experience with entrepreneurship. So I was like, fuck it. I'll just put it together And later that year in uh, 2018 we formed the llc that goes in july or august On florida and then we finished all the paperwork Eventually in early 2019 Those of you don't know, uh, there was eventually falling out. We needed to get to all the exact details of it But basically, you know rich cooper criticized the safety of the convention in public 21 convention, which pissed me off pretty bad Um, I told me dirt and he was basically a huge pussy And then I ended up buying him out of the company rollo suggested that uh, either rich buy me out or i buy cooper out to kind of resolve the dispute And I ended up actually, uh, going about for it and I bought rich cooper out. We agreed to a price And then uh, that gave me control of the company, which is pretty funny, which rollo had to sign off on And then eventually, of course, me and rollo had a falling out for all sorts of interesting reasons surrounding Nelly bowls and doxing and safety and privacy And then rollo resigned in june of 2019 leaving me with 100 percent Leaving 21 studios anyway with 100 control over the red man group Which I find hysterical because I didn't even want to do the company in the first place so Yeah, and on top of that the company had a bunch of money in it that we didn't really use anything for So the company ended up being left with more money in it than I paid for it So I paid negative money to have the red man group That I like and I love but I didn't even want to have as a company And here we are today at episode 100 So, you know legally it's been a whole fucking not legally maybe but business wise it's been an interesting And provocative story that maybe goes into books someday Yeah, what a wild ride well And and I think I might be able to add some of that too because I mean you kind of opened your books to me And I mean obviously i'm not going to violate some of the nda's you and I have signed But you know when we looked at the back end of the books and we looked at a lot of the stuff that was going on And some of the stuff that led to that I mean I think the issue is that There's a lot of people in the manosphere Who virtue signal their desire to help other men? But then when it comes to actually doing it they don't they they They basically out themselves as wanting a cult of personality And they want to have the you know this this whole power and control for themselves Because they're jealous Of what other people bring to the table and they have that super high level of insecurity And you know the reason I bring that up is because I you know like we talked about earlier about how You know getting men together is super important. You know, I know that like when I first got Involved with the red man group, you know, I had issues with both donovan sharpen and steve the dean But a lot of those issues Were based on a lack of communication. They weren't based on actual differences that We had It was I mean we had it far more in common Than we disagreed on and when we've disagreed we've you know once I understood that it was I mean There were they were non traverses, right? And so I think that that's those things are extremely important and sure I mean everybody talks shit about each other back then and I'm sure there's some recordings out there I mean trash talking them and I know deans talk shit to me to my face, which is fine. I mean, that's what men do, right? so Those things I think are important, but I also think that it's it's interesting because You know as the red man group has evolved as 21 has evolved as you know, all these different organizations that that we discuss evolve You see the actual real men and I say real men in air quotes in some ways um You see them rise to the surface and then you see all the cult of personality And you know the insecurity and and the hatred you see that kind of flow by the wayside And and these people end up outing themselves and it's like you end up living rent-free in their head You know months and months and months and and you're like I've already moved on I'm I'm doing other things and then you're like, oh, oh that person Yeah, I kind of remember who they were we don't I never watched the the little new show they they made They bounced around and like we used to the red man group But I hear from attendees and you know different people that watch it that they talk a lot of shit And I was very skeptical of this I'm like these people were just blown smoke like they're they must be exaggerating how much they talk shit But the other day I actually looked real quick and within 30 seconds I hear bitching about anthony 21 convention president The chat is bitching about me. They're bitching about me live. They're bitching about me directly They're bitching about me indirectly They've made me it's like Darth Vader and like the 21 empire. It's hysterical And I don't even You're more like ginger vader, but go on Fuck you I got some red in the beard. It's dope dude. I'm like 12% Irish Ginger vader. No, but it's like it's it's real now. I was surprised. I really thought that people there were people that were reporting to me I thought they were exaggerating. I'm like, there's no way They just they must be talking about this shit Like there's no fucking way to keep bitching about me, but they do and other guys not just me But ddj, uh, george bruno, all you guys They're obsessed and we barely talk about them except when it's necessary in this show Yeah, and and honestly, I mean I I figured that out within, you know, like the migtau community as well There's elements of the migtau community that it's like they sit in the corner and they masturbate while crying while cursing me You know in the middle of the darkness or something I don't know what the hell's going on, but I'm like whatever and the sad part about it is is that You know, I mean everybody's got their own little core audience when it comes to some of this stuff But you know the beauty of the facts is is that you know, the truth doesn't really give a fuck about your feelings Or about how you're going to reframe stuff. I mean, that's one of the reasons I like the red man group It's one of the reasons that I support the 21 convention and everybody here Is it we don't have to agree on everything? And one of the reasons that i'm here number one is is to test my Theories and opinions when people disagree with me and I think that at some level I think people are willing to do the same with me in in trade and of course with each other So I think that you know, it's one of those scenarios where it's like we're coming up with new ideas We're coming up with new thought processes and we're coming up with new ways to support men You know in the in the 21st century and everybody else is sitting you're trying to make this like a little cult of personality And they're like, well, you know, I want to make everybody insecure so that they're addicted to To to my particular brand of of whining and oh, yeah, by the way, I'm insecure about anthony or I'm insecure about Steve the dean or I'm in is insecure about hunter drew or anybody else and and so I'm going to go ahead and cry about it. And I mean again, it's like that's why I'm just like I You know when it comes to a lot of this stuff When I found out about this the other day I was like whatever it is what it is I mean the fact the matter is You know 21 has become bigger and better red man group has become bigger and better I've met a lot of great people, you know being a part of this And you know, you're always going to face criticism, right? So and you know, again, bitch is bitch. So it is what it is Yeah, I would say actually the criticism like it reminded me of make women great again Seeing them bitch about me like this because the press the media bitched about me like crazy, too, right Me and the speakers and Stefan Molyneux and you know 22 convention And I think when people bitch about you over a certain threshold you've risen above them The consistency and the outrage and the intensity And I think that's what we've done is like the company has gotten so much press and has so much going on and so You know, so many videos and speakers and all this controversy even with the you know, make them great again just by that by itself They we've risen above them and it really drives them nuts like rollo can't stand that he's really thin skinned narcissist I think to the bone Not a doctor, but that's my professional informal amateur opinion so to speak combination of that And yeah, when you when you bitch about someone like that consistently, um, they don't even barely pay attention to you. It's just it's weak, man Well, it's like a woman shit done. Yeah, it's like a woman who bitches about their ex for years at a time Yeah, exactly. Yeah Yep One thing I want to I'm gonna pop a swap fill out hero in a second with no revoy Um, we can only have six in the panel at a time But I did want to say too something that you actually bring to mind dj Both in what you're talking about as well as who you are and what you represent As I think red man group in 21 Just red man group though, for example, focus on it. It's been really good at being diplomatic between different communities So for example, we've had men's rights, uh, you know speakers on the channel like janis fee mango It's very well known in that community the first woman by the way in the red man group glass ceiling I think hunter represents kind of the uh, the family component of the entire atmosphere obviously The father had element. He used to you know, we'll bring it back at some point But he ran for a long time the patriarch's edition of red man group Uh, and is obviously with as a keynote speaker the patriarch conditioned first ever for 21 con So and then obviously the ddj and recently coach greg adams you guys are 100 percent mixtail Like that's what you really represent in terms of a community element who your followings are And we've been able to diplomatically bring everybody on the show and get along pretty well For men with strong personalities and visions and goals and uh in principles And I think that's really fantastic and that's something that is supposed to be praised in wider culture But you know, you rarely see it all this diversity intolerance bullshit. It's all nonsense. It's all propaganda But to the extent it has value We actually do that in the mana sphere and then specifically with the red man group in 21 We do that at an incredible level Well, and I think that the the most the thing that I really value about it and the most important thing is There isn't a single guy here That is politically correct with me Okay, everybody who when we disagree or when we have a conversation about this type of thing Everybody says what's on their mind nobody holds back and I don't hold back and nobody's thin skin Nobody needs to rush out and grab a man pond. Nobody needs a my doll You know, it's just it's it's guys talking and and it's different paths to the same place, you know And that's that's really what it is and it's it's absolutely important, you know, and I and I would say this I think that You know, um at my core I support the family. I support marriage. I support relationships. I support extended family father Hood grandfather hood. I support all those things. It's just my experience has led me down a particular path To where I'm at today, but that doesn't mean that those things don't have value That's one of the things that I mean like when I first met hunter drew I mean I I thought we clicked right away as far as our personalities and being able to communicate in different things And I also think that it's important too from an american standpoint To be able to stand for our freedom of speech our second amendment rights our constitutional rights You know and and those types of things those things are extremely important It doesn't matter what tribe of the mana sphere you come from You know, if you're an american or at least some semblance of a nationalist regardless of what country you come from I mean again It's it's about being a part of your community and being a part of your society and and and being a contributing citizen Yeah, no, welcome to the show man. I brought you in there without formally announcing you. No revoy I've been on the show plenty of times. Welcome back. Thank you. Thanks for having me Yeah, I've been listening to the conversation for a while and I it's it's not just something that we're noticing between each other that there is, um, you know two Ways of approaching things in the manasphere. I was doing an interview about a week ago And the individual who was interviewing me. He said, uh, I'm starting to see in the manasphere to Like a split. He says there's this like masculine Positive get things done. Let's make you know the future a better group And then there's this kind of a feminine bitchy complain about everything and Yeah, he was he was pretty hard on it and he says there's these two groups And he says they're bifurcating more and more Yeah, and we were discussing how you know, no There's a reason why 21 con can bring in such a big group of men You know with very different ideas is because we're approaching our differences like men We discuss them. We focus on the truth, you know, we do agree on something if it's not true We don't talk it, you know, we we focus on truth And because of that we're able to have unity despite disagreements on, you know, maybe how to apply things or how to use that truth Then there's this other group the feminine group. It's worried about what they look like. They're worried about face over You know face over truth And that group is going to have constant in-fighting. They're going to marginalize themselves By their own in-fighting and by their own effeminate behavior. It's going to cause them to self-destruct And we just have to keep doing what we're doing and we'll be fine Yeah, that's really a good way to put it. No, I like the uh, what did you call by What was the word by bifurcating by separation? Yeah separation. Yeah Yeah, I think any community as it grows is going to splinter off I mean, whether it's you know politics with governments and nations unions Obviously america has a complex complex history with that but even religions look at christianity. How many denominations of christianity are there? I don't even know a lot And the man is fundamentally identical to each other They just decided at some point that this group is too big and uh, we're going to split off and for purely internal Politic reasons, you know, although I think that it's like christianity dominations are a little bit different than what you're talking about But it just reminds me like what you're talking about. I agree There's there's a fundamental split in the manisphere over the past year And I guess I kicked that off by going to war with rollo and public and the shed he represents And there was even bloggers that talked about that and they'll pull it up in a second But the best one I've seen with secular patriarchy dot wordpress This guy has been documenting the uh pulled up in a secondary But he's been documenting the manisphere and the history of it for a long time He's done a really good job of it. Yeah better than anyone I've seen he like he knows it by like the back of his hand And I didn't even know him but he was he was you know, you know bit by bit brick by brick He was breaking down the dispute me and rollo had and from a lot of different angles And it was really awesome to see that because it's exactly we're talking about it's Like what are the fundamentals we're doing? Is it positive? Is masculinity focused? Is it solutions focused as well as fundamentals and concepts and theory Or is it just endless negativity that's dressed up as realism? Like dog shit with glitter on it No, I was saying that's that's what drove me to red man group and that's why I remain a part of this You said solutions focused there are a lot of there's a lot of negativity going on You know, there's a lot with when it comes to laws when it comes to family laws when it comes to divorce You know when I work with guys like dbj or or tanner another father Or you you know going around like I call you're the the single version of me Like you're what I would be if I was single like that's what jackie calls you like you're you're that guy So you'd be a redhead Yeah, that's a totally change overnight. You know, it's focused on solutions. That's what we're doing here We're working on. Hey like yeah, this shit is bad and it's freaking tough But let's help men and let's help men we're going to work towards solutions And it's it's not just talking about the problem and that's the only gripe I really I don't really talk about you know rule zero or any of that crew at all, you know, because Like when they talk shit even they talk shit some of the things they said about me. It's fucking hilarious You know good on you guys That's great But get back to making content for men because that's the whole point of this talking just talking shit to talk shit Is great In between providing value. That's where their focus needs to be. That's what red man group does when we talk about the History of this I think you've gotten better at finding those solutions We on the patriarchs, we didn't talk about hey, man, divorce is tough We talked to how can you navigate a divorce? How can you capitalize and walk out of this without wanting to fucking shoot yourself in the head? You know instead of suck starting a glock How can you get out of this and at least arm yourself to deal with the rough waves? We talked about the solutions. We talked about preparing yourself physically We talked about how to lead a family how to how what happens, you know when you're you have a dead bedroom We're helping these men find solutions and improve their lives That has to be the focus and that's what red man group does It focuses on hey, let's talk about this problem. Let's follow it up with the solution Yeah No, I agree man. Like when I had, you know, coach Greg Adams on last week He's gonna speak at the convention too For men and for women He's migtail guy 100% He's like one of the most popular up and coming migtail youtubers right now 80,000 something subscribers You know, I've like donovan sharp had a live stream with him a few months ago and like donovan I have disagreements with the guy, but I don't really care. It's not what's important to me I mean the disagreements are interesting. We look at them But fundamentally I'm like I talked to him because I wanted to understand like what he believes and what he's advocating for through migtown Through his channel and then solutions from that like what does he provide to men? And I'm not I'm not here to you know dictate and judge every little fucking thing you think Like people see me they think like People think for example that you know with 22 convention is a really good example the media They thought I was directing you guys and what to say Like we have all these speakers and then you guys just say whatever I want you to say Which is stupid. That's that's absolutely not how the any of the conventions work I'm an absolute dictator for freedom So when you speak at the convention you speak about whatever the fuck you want to speak about I might I might ask you to speak about something specific like a topic, but even that's really rare I would say 90 of the time. I don't do that 95 You guys tell me what you want to speak about what's important to you And then the platform whether it's the 21 convention 22 convention or the red man group itself You know, we focus you focus on what you want to focus on especially for a speech where you're solo You're you know flying out in the world like that And I love that I love that freedom to give you guys and typically you guys do really really well with it You dig into what you believe what's important to you as a core value Or core focus at that time in your life as a man and a teacher and an educator a therapist or whatever you're doing And you speak to that It's the truth to power and speak it from the heart kind of thing Which sounds corny I guess from media in hollywood, but there's real there's real power and uh There's a reality behind that that's very real if that makes any sense. There's a right. There's a rawness to it I think that's important And I love that and I would never want to dictate to you guys would just say the only thing I ask you as a speaker is Try to get try not to get as kicked off youtube other than that I don't give a fuck what you say speak curse don't curse like whatever you got to do and whatever topics you want to focus on That's one of the things I really love about hanging out with this whole the whole process the guys everything one of my favorite uh podcast recently was uh jack donovan and um interviewing tanner guzzy And two guys that you think about it are on the Opposite spectrum and so many different things and here they are on a podcast Talking about the mysteries of the universe And i'm going it's just a absolute beautiful thing having two men You know, uh, just even think about us even who's on here now It's like everybody comes from a completely different place But yet there is so much respect because we have a common mission common vision Yeah, um of really building manhood masculinity Family, I mean, it's just it's amazing that the respect that's there Um regardless of where we uh, we disagree on so many different things come from totally different traditions Yeah, and and you just don't see that in the world and that's why I love this thing Yeah, I think we haven't seen it at this scale or this intensity probably since the founding of the united states As how I see it now maybe that the founding generation, uh, you know A lot of the founding fathers and things like that they disagree with a lot of stuff But they came together for a common purpose and common vision and they argued like hell But they got shit done And that was you know, I think the most one of the most if not the most important point in human history In terms of human flourishing and improving the human condition Was the founding of this country and fighting the the war for independence And I think that's what we're doing now is we're fighting a war a culture war for independence For men and for even women now and for the family. Absolutely. Yep, the war for independence and survival even to an extent I think I've talked about you know, I was talking to a member kind of was talking through text one time And we're talking about an attendee. I think his son or I just killed himself or something like that Yeah, someone you knew yep And I mean that's beyond tragic and devastating like holy shit I can't even imagine having I don't have any children yet, but I can't even imagine a family member Offing themselves like that that's That's uh unspeakably tragic But I also look at the future of America in the west and I see a lot of danger there I mean I called feminism a national security threat on tv national tv when I was with piers morgan and I mean that I really think that they're trying to kill off femininity and masculinity And there's pretty obvious examples of that like toxic masculinity all masculinity is toxic And all the buffoonery and stuff that they portray as men. This is really It's not just you know shitty jokes and all this other stuff. It's it's a real Uh low-key long-term war on masculinity and on men and even femininity and women The women who speak up for 22 con and make women great again They get they get you know, yelled down on the internet immediately They get screamed at the woman who want to stay home and be housewives and mothers and focus on that They get bullied just like I said And that's really dangerous like I don't I don't see a future for this country Let alone the rest of the other western nations without family and without you don't have family without masculinity and femininity Coming together and you know meeting falling in love fucking and then repeating the process and making more children It's kind of crude, but you know men and women are born are born to We're born to bang. We're born to love. We're born to interact and engage and be complementary with one another That's how the species has survived. Wait, wait a minute. So so we're supposed to be fucking the same woman Fuck Well, I mean at this point given prompt given a feminist culture Yeah, we're living in dna soup as one speaker put it recently. Oh my gosh But right well, and I think to underscore what you've said every society is built on the family Every society is built. I mean the stronger the families are in any communities The more stable the community and you can look at a lot of these You know left-wing strongholds where family is not a cultural value there and you can see where you know They've got all the issues that are wrong with society. They've got high crime. They've got high levels of degeneracy They've got high levels of disease They've got all these social ills But the one thing that they don't have Are a lot of strong families and those strong families that live in those communities In a lot of ways are insulated from those social ills that happen from that failed leadership So yeah, I mean the family is the cornerstone of every society in every successful community in the history of the world Yeah No, did you want to hop in? I know we cut you off earlier with Hunter. No, no problem You were saying that you know it is a terrible tragedy when an individual kills themselves But we have an entire civilization that's killing themselves, you know, or we're committing civil civilizational suicide and That's not we've inherited this civilization from our ancestors and we owe them To be good stewards of that and to pass that on to our children It is it is not something we we don't get to decide that okay now is the end of civilization Uh, unfortunately, that's you know in certain in certain Ways we've been going in that direction and I think Something like what we're facing now with the the SARS With the coronavirus scare I think it's It's going to make people think about their lives a little bit more a lot of what's happening People are very unconscious of what they're doing and they're They're not sufficiently pressured by the realities of the universe to to take care of themselves and to take care of family and Someone I think it was Babylon B. Uh website. They said, uh for parents are suddenly going to realize that They're gonna have to raise their own kids You imagine what happens if we As a society shift to oh, we can't have public schools anymore number one way the government indoctrinates you done On the other hand women gonna have to stay home with their kids So all these women drop another workforce makes men earn more Now men can afford to have families that couldn't a lot of avenues will open up It won't necessarily be this this is what happens, you know, maybe there's a cure for it next week who knows but I think We could see a major societal shift And I think what we're doing is Going to make any kind of societal shift if we have a lot more pleasant A lot of people think we're doing this deal. I get all the time. Why do you hate women so much? And it's actually exactly the opposite what we're doing is because you know 22 con is because we love women and we want to tell them the truth We're the only ones that care enough to actually tell them the truth 21 con we love men enough. We're gonna tell them the truth You know, we don't we don't like them enough that we're going to Make them we're gonna suck as much money out of them as we can instead It's we're gonna tell them the truth. This is why you put the videos online This is why there's so much free contents why you can see this video for free. We actually care Yeah, I think this is a big reason There's really that bifurcation is partially because there's a group that actually cares and it cares mostly about themselves and We're gonna, you know, we're gonna ride this societal change I've been saying for a while that patriarchy is going to come back into fashion and This is I think accelerating it. What's happening right now Yeah, I agree and one of the things that came to mind by the way when you said the beginning of that monologue was, you know, people don't face enough pressure as a reality to To deal with it appropriately and then therefore we have welfare systems food stamps single mother welfare The welfare queens all the stuff But one of the ways you see that now is the panic from that because they're not used to dealing with reality sufficiently Anyway, they're dependent on other people and on a system a welfare system that that removes some of that Personal responsibility So one of the ways they freak out is the toilet paper apocalypse You see, uh, when you know a men and women buying, you know 80 80 rolls of toilet paper in shitecosco and it's just nuts It's like, what are you even going to eat to use the toilet paper with like you don't even have food See, I think I agree with you a lot of the statements that I think the the viral viral outbreak now the coronavirus It's waking people up to a lot of things even simple things like you have to raise your own children They need to learn from you. They need to learn values and principles and like tanner guzzly that hunter was talking about earlier He was a big thing. His big thing last year at patriarch 21 con was was culture building a family culture In this case the guzzies we are the guzzies the guzzies or whatever, right? Yeah, that's that sounds real and he is actually like and I agree 100 million percent him and his wife Are passing on their culture and their traditions to their children And believe it or not, you know, it's amazing that it even has to be said But that's gone away in America in the west and not only in the nuclear family But like ddj was talking about the extended family too Yeah, I mean I know I know for a fact that uh, you know, my my parents and grandparents Especially my grandparents. So I had a lot more of that and my grandparents helped them a lot I mean my grandma was one of the most amazing woman I ever got to know in my life And she grew up in, you know, this tiny island in Croatia or Yugoslavia at the time That was owned by Italy and or whatever all this stuff was complicated But very very different life than what I've grown up in in America at 16 She was married and pregnant with my uncle And my grandfather was probably 23 at the time. He was a little bit older surprised, right? They were a different world, man. I mean people hear that now and it's like this Oh my god 16 pregnant with Mary and stuff. It's like no, that was that was pretty normal back then And they were married till the day my grandfather died and then uh, she prayed for that guy She prayed for my grandfather Every night for the next like 35 years Like it was the met the level of dedication and intensity to her belief system That's why I respect guys like tanner so much I mean everybody hear a strong belief systems, but tanner is so devoted to his faith And I'm not a Mormon. I'm not a christian But I really respect that because I've seen it and I've seen how positive that is And how you know first hand my grandmother was a very positive influence in my life That was I think the reason that I turned out different than my little brother and little sister Who my grandmother was older and wasn't around for them as much to offset the shitty parenting I got from my My you know family of origin So yeah, one thing I want to actually shift gears a little bit by the way I did not mention something very important Which is this A shout out to Steve the dean williams and donovan sharp as well as hunter You guys actually branched out the show and created multiple shows on the red man group Well beyond the original vision and just like of like a once a week hangout I mean, it's it was amazing to see 21 cons done this as well But more slowly because live events are a lot more complex and risking things like this And online meetups are I think a lot simpler and lower risk you just meet up on a hangout for free But it's been amazing to see this I mean we've had the patriarch show obviously the hunter ran with fatherhood and fathers And then we've had of course the red pill mindset Steve the dean williams it goes every monday 8 p.m. I believe eastern and then the red line we do from time to time friday nights And then Steve ran that donovan initially ran that and we'll probably bring that back at some point But it's been fascinating to see you guys run this and I really appreciate that I appreciate the dedication the effort and the time and attention you put into that And that's actually one of my favorite elements of the red man group is that it's not just the red man group on saturdays It branched out into all these little things Just like uh 21 studios has just like the manusphere has So it's like there's multiple layers of uh, you know splitting off and hiving out into different focuses and topics and show types It's uh, it's worthy of its own study at some point. Maybe you know like a book I could keep mentioning so Well guys this has been fun. I uh Oh, we should talk about the before we run up. Uh, we're 73 minutes here I do want to talk about the future of the red man group. Let's do that So for the future, I'll just kick that off. Um I really want to keep bringing on special guests like I've been doing recently Uh janice fomengo, richard granin, uh coach greg adams people like that Um, they don't always need to be one-on-one But that's kind of interesting too to switch up the format rather than a group just one-on-one like that And I love that a lot That's uh, I think it's a good way to keep the show fresh and not just a panel to like split it or uh, you know differentiate it like that And I also want to bring in more guests who are kind of like 21 con I want to bring in more guests from like health and fitness entrepreneurship Maybe survival elements things like that, you know, given what's going on. If there's something super super relevant or uh What would you call that? Yeah, it's super relevant for the moment So I keep want to you know, I want to tap into the 21 studios 21 convention speaker database So to speak of you guys you're a bunch of robots to me And uh and pulling more guys I think that'd be really fun interesting to keep branching out the topics I still think though that like 21 con the focus should be male-female relationships masculinity and things like that That seems to be the cornerstone of human life as well as the man's sphere and what men need to care about first and foremost And so the show always stay, you know focused on that as a majority, but Bringing other stuff like health and fitness entrepreneurship finances. It's all good It's all related to being at the end of the day to being a man to being independent To being strong to being masculine Leading your life to being the author of your own life like ken talks about authority. Yes, sir. You're the author But if you guys have additional input or criticism of that or some ideas, I'm open for it For a lot of men is give when you help them a lot of my clients have found this when their career improves Um, they get to they become better men You know one of my clients, you know, yeah I've been I've been getting these raises at work and I've been getting more responsibilities I'm moving into management and he says My workouts are improving Women are starting to pay attention to me and he says I think it's all because I'm doing better in my career So that I would love to see some guys come on that can help A lot of young men have no idea how to get up in their career They don't know how to get ahead if if they don't have a dad to teach them that and demonstrate it Um, it's not something that is you don't learn that in school It'd be great to learn here. Mm-hmm. Fuck. Yeah I'm gonna type something guys if you want to call in by the way, I think steve has a call-ins available I'm not too sure about that we'll see Anyone have additional input or ideas for the show? I'm all ears, man Anthony, I just say I'm I'm gonna cut out so get Phil back in here then Okay, yeah, no problem Take care Ken Oh, shit. Oops. Whatever Where's Phil welcome back Phil Chill Phil we need some foster. We have foster wisdom, man 100% Yeah, man So yeah hunter, I'm happy to bring back the patriarch to some point Um, I know you've had a lot going on this year, but that'd be I think pretty dope Yeah, and it's a great show and it was well received. You know a lot of dads are like pretty cool It's just talking about fatherhood, which is yeah, especially demographic It's just timing, you know once once I can lock into some free nights, but we're heading into warm weather Man, it gets crazy with baseball and running around and cheerleading. It's fucking nuts Yeah, assuming everybody's not locked indoors driving you nuts from coronavirus shit Dude, they're out there running around. I can hear him right now You know, he's throwing a ball against the Jeep the tire of the back and catching it and They are shutting it down though. They're shutting out all their sports So we'll be training at home. We got a field local. We're not staying there Yeah, you know, I like to you bring that up though. Like I need to tweet about that I've been thinking about a thread like that But I do believe that we saw that that made a bubble up last year But fatherhood and husbands are a special demographic of the manisphere That don't have a distinct community, but I think one is kind of forming So there are fathers and husbands throughout, uh, you know, men's rights, pua stuff, uh, red pill, all that stuff And obviously, uh, mctown stuff But the entire basis of what I did that's the only reason the family alpha was a thing because nobody was fucking talking about it And I'm like guys, this is yeah, let's talk about families It's not off limits because it's not as flashy or you know shiny as game and pick up and all that that has an element in families That's a part of being a father. Yeah Well, and and frankly, I think that when it comes to speaking about, you know, fathers and families and that type of thing Honestly, I think drew is probably the number one voice on the internet having that conversation Because again, you know, taking it from that perspective and again, it's a powerful thing. I mean, I've watched patriarchy Or the patriarch show that he ran. I mean, it was a great show So yeah, I mean, it's it's that that's an important conversation to have and it's definitely an underserved population within the manisphere Yep Yeah, that's what I saw with patriarchs last year Like we had, you know, the end of the day a little more guys than I thought we'd have But the fact that we even pulled off the event was amazing I mean, that was the first time in the history of the manisphere community for over 20 years That there was actually an entire event dedicated to fatherhood I think I think that was a moment in American history in a sense because that was the first That I know of fatherhood convention for speaking and speeches and things like that that wasn't Uh, that wasn't, you know put on by some Like a religion or something like that. It wasn't a christian thing. It wasn't a muslim thing It wasn't a jewish thing It was all these faiths and races and men coming together talking about fatherhood And masculinity from that perspective and marriage and relationships and all that And yeah, that was just like I mentioned last year was, you know, fresher on my mind than when it happened, but To see 21 con go from being literally the under 21 convention for young men To the patriarch tradition explicitly for fathers with a hundred percent father speakers was like It was kind of mind-blowing. I mean just sitting there walking around doing the event It was for me. It was, you know, physically very similar to 21 con. So I was doing my thing, but Yeah, I was like, wow, this is a complete 180 from how we started, you know Mostly focused on game and pick up and self-improvement from that perspective for young guys And now it's for fathers and fatherhood Most of the guys there were the average age was probably like 45 or something like that Compared to the first one the average age was probably like 22 So yeah to see all that shift and keep growing is this awesome, man And yeah in the monastery, it's underserved and I think at some point I don't know you might see like a whole fatherhood, uh Like, you know group form or something like that But I don't know for now you guys just kind of you populate all the different groups things like that And then you know obviously like individual companies like yours Ryan Mitchell too, I think should get a shout out for that. He's another big fatherhood family guy Um, it's been going for strong for a long time. He's got it. He's got a huge following team in It's wild cool Well guys think my wrap up for today's show I've gone from about 80 minutes here. I need to get going This has been awesome. I appreciate you guys celebrating here for the 100 edition I should add some whiskey on for the show that would have made it even more fun But I really appreciate you guys joining the show and I'll bring back next week Guys any closing remarks before I wrap up today show Yeah, man, keep your fucking foot on the gas Always man always The shade throwers keep going Yeah, it's not just the shade throwers. It's it's business too, you know life always just like go go go go Yeah, circling around, you know being being your own being your own I've been in business for myself for a very very long time I've had a couple of failed businesses and they always had partners You know partners in business just do not work, you know hunters and exceptions to the rule Him and craig are running the fat, you know that the fraternity and whatnot together and it's it's interesting to watch that Work out, but generally in my experience, you know partnerships. Yeah Yeah Yep No, I've heard that dude so many times from attorneys and CPAs and other other entrepreneurs too like it's It's a very notorious stereotype and I believe it there can only be one captain at the helm You know what? I mean, this is it. This is one Yeah, it's funny, uh Yeah, I mean I ended up, you know the partnership almost blew up but I kept it alive And uh, you know rich cooper was the saving grace on that, you know, he didn't have to sell to me But he did and I remember last year I was I would joke on twitter I was like thank thanks rich cooper for keeping red man group alive Because he because he shifted the power from being a voting company to Why would vote but I voted of course for myself, you know with control of the company, so Yeah, I think I think that's what saved it It gave someone the ability to steer the company in a positive direction And then eventually that came to that that split with rollo Which I think we're seeing throughout the mandatory even beyond me and rollo and all that shit You see that on all these different the forms and things like that Yeah, I think um I think kind of to switch gears and kind of as far as closing remarks are concerned You know, I think that this coronavirus thing I think the hype train is right now more dangerous Than the actual virus itself and I think the civil unrest that it's causing because of you know A lot of just irrational fear. I think it's huge. I'm not saying discount the virus itself Obviously take care of yourself, but it's interesting because you know, a lot of people don't have a lot of savings Um, you know, they have an instant gratification disposable lifestyle Those are going to be the people who get hurt the people that that don't have multiple streams of income The people who aren't thinking about their finances, you know unhealthy lifestyle They're going to suffer and and really this the sad part about it And and I say that it's kind of a backhanded statement But the sad part about it is is that you know with the school's closing a lot of single mothers have just lost their daycare So it's going to create a lot of natural consequences for them Yeah, you know and and and and really what it does is it really points out the feminist lie that you know These women are like, oh you can have it all and you can do everything and then all of a sudden reality sets in And let's be real It'll be men who guide us out of this situation. It'll be you know strong men It'll be alpha men. It'll be leaders who guide us out of this situation It's not going to be the feminist the feminists have no solutions You know, I mean and again you're gonna you're gonna watch all these people lose their minds because they live these disposable instant gratification and lifestyles and so you know while the corona virus everybody should definitely take it seriously I'll tell you what it's going to be an interesting case study In failed policies and you know failed liberal leadership. Yeah Yeah, I agree 100% particular with your analysis of like it's serious, but the hysteria is still overblown And I think a lot of people have lost some people are still like in the you know, it's just a flu category And I'm like, dude, I don't think that's the case But also it's not the end of the world and keep a level ahead. That's a really important Uh, you mentioned to you at single mothers. I mean, that's a big issue I'll be investigating personally in the coming weeks if you know what I mean Oh, yeah, the rebound effect is going to be great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know a lot of single moms Orlando is Central Florida in general has this like tons and tons of single moms And honestly like with some of the hottest women around I think that's how they ended up single moms You know somebody didn't pull out basically and given a hot they were I mean because you still blame them, but it's like I got it Yeah, well guys, thanks for joining me on today's show Uh, we'll close out little boom screen grab Episode 100 guys Group has been published to over a million people through youtube channels. We've had millions of views on it And 100 episodes over 100 episodes technically for this episode 100 I appreciate you guys tuning in. I appreciate you guys joining me today. Of course, phil noah ken ferry was on earlier ddj hundred drew Steve the dean It's been awesome guys. I look forward to doing many more episodes at least another 100 maybe beyond that It'll take time, you know one a week So we'll see how it goes and then we'll keep adding in different shows and things like that over time Very exciting uh future for the manosphere and the red man group and good stuff on the way Everyone else appreciate tuning in live. I'll see you uh next saturday at 11 a.m. Sharp Uh, stay tuned tomorrow if you're a fan of 21 convention or if you're an attendee We're making announcements regarding the coronavirus, uh situation as far as the uh events go and things like that Everyone else tune in for the live show next saturday as well as for the red man or the red piled mindset A money nights at apm with steve the dean And check out, you know later this year most likely you'll see the return of the patriarch show and maybe the red line is too The red line on friday nights peace out And i appreciate you guys supporting the show